Orbea has a huge winner with this bike. The right design without crazy weight. I'd say it makes sense to aim for the highest end model, despite the price. The weight is important.
Got to ride the Orbea Rise M 10 in a parking lot. It's an amazing bike, so light, tires almost look too small! Latest version of the motor was super silent. The lack of 'torque/power' threw me off a bit, that light box is not easy to tell where you're at power wise. Maybe this is a perfect bike for a lightweight rider? My Giant Trance 2021 X E + 29 3 is an SUV compared to this, apples to oranges for now and I hope to demo the Orbea on a trail soon.
You should try to explain the feeling of 65nm ,, I have a levo (90nm)and a cube hybrid with 65 nm ,,and turbo mode on the cube is way stronger but fabric setup trail mode on the levo... it's between trail and turbo mode somewhere i Guess pretty much exactly in the middle of those and the cube is the exact same weight as the levo.. but when people say it's a light motor you would think it's really weak.. but it's actually very strong on a light bike you really need very steep hills lasting a long time to need much more..i would trade my levo for the orbea if I could
Very nice Bike. But i cant understand the idea of downgrading the motor, without doing any with the hardware. So it´s the same sice and weight, but brings less power. The Idea of Rotwild is way better in my opinion. Sizing down the motor only in one of the two settings. So you have full power in one setting, if you only want to do a short ride and still have an light emtb
Love you guys. This looks nice. If I had a choice of one bike though, especially at these prices, it would be a full on Bosch. Not going to buy a $8000 bike and be limited by it. I can always run in eco, tour mode when running with my acoustical friends and ride 3,000ft and 50 miles with my EMTB friends.
Totally a valid point! We wonder how many converted ebikes will "go back" to a lower powered bike, or if this could be the style of eMTB that gets people to convert. Time will tell...
Drew- what size did you ride on the Rise? Can you comment on sizing and how it felt. Compared to the Levo SL, it will seem like the Orbea L would compare more to the Levo SL XL? Comments appreciated and yet another great review from LW. Nice stuff Drew.
Can you confirm the weight on these? I thought they were closer to 44lbs. Also any plans to do a follow up or comparison between the carbon and new hydro aluminum models?
Iv got one on order it looks awesome. Only slight concern is this bike "enduro" enough. Ride mostly rough rooty trails here in Scotland and love the idea of this thing been nimble and fun but do you think it will be planted enough to smash the occasional rock garden and big drop or is this to much to be asking? Great insight though thank you guys 👏😊😊
Congrats and excited to hear you share your thoughts with us once you get more time on it on your home trails! With some volume reducer work and tires/inserts, you could possibly be crushing the "enduro" stuff. We are excited to get one to test ourselves and see how it goes.
What would you pick between the Rise and the regular Turbo Levo for a regular daily bike? I am currently riding a Levo and the Rise looks very intriguing. I ride in eco mode and rarely if ever use trail mode. 98 percent of my rides are completely in eco. I am into long epic narly trail rides with tons of climbing ( 2000 + meters) and the Levo certainly covers my bases but the weight is an issue and if there is a light weight bike with better trail feel and easier to lug around with range, I am interested. How would you compare the ride and is this an epic bike? My normal daily rides are in the 38km 1000m climb range. I weigh 165 lbs.BTW your reviews are by far the best in the business. I feel like you guys come at it with the eye of an avid North American rider and your approach to your reviews reflect it. (Some of the british reviews are brutal, can’t take anything they say seriously, but there are a few I respect) Your reviews with multiple riders is actually a great concept. We can all pick out the rider that reflects our riding style and pay attention to their likes and dislikes. Keep it up.
You mean a Levo SL and a Rise? I have a levo, they are not comparable really. It's like anything, you sacrifice one thing to gain another. You get a playful light bike that can be used without the motor, with less power (it's about half of the power as your levo) but the bike is lighter so it doesn't have as much weight to pull. Vs a boat with lots of power/assist at the cost of maneuverability, stopping power, and weight. Ideally (if cost was not a thing, but it always is) you would use the bigger bike for long rides, steep climbing, adventurous single track style terrain or commuting and use the SL when you want to ride aggressively and throw the bike around, trail centers, single track, stuff like that. It's a Trophy Truck vs Rally Car.
I have a carbon rise. My wife has a turbo levo. I would say eco on the levo is close to trail mode on the rise. If you were to ride trail mode on the rise you would be hard pressed to do 2000 meters. I regularly ride 8 or 900 meters, and can go up to about 1500, but that's about it unless you want to live in eco, which will be a lot more work than on the levo. I have the range extender, and can easily do 2000 meters with it on the bike, but that adds about 2 1/2 lbs. The bike weighs 42lbs fully decked out the way I have it now with heavier tires, bigger rotors, enduro pedals, and a bottle cage.
Love the channel - Anything further to say about the Orbea Rise you tested a few months back? . Your initial response was it was a good bike but not seen much from you guys about it lately .
Good to hear you are still running an Orbea Rise . I get my Rise next month but won’t be the high end spec that you are running but scope to upgrade the M20 . I am interested in any suggestions on rear mudguards as the U.K. is tad muddier and where I ride there’s lots of flint that pings in all directions and is nasty - Will fit rapid racer clip on to the front as that looks good . Need a stylish rear guard or fender as you call them Really looking forward to lighter e-bike as my Spectral ON was great , especially down hill , but too heavy so the Rise will be my second foray into eBikes as I have been running a Whyte hard tail since selling the Canyon Love the video you guys do - really bikes doing real off road stuff
Seems like a pretty weird concept to me that you de tune a motor like that. I think they should just sell different battery sizes which is all that is different between this and any other e bike as far at I can see.
some of the other reviews around the web commented that the detuning allowed Orbea to spec components that are not "rated for ebike", which may have lowered the weight further? And that Orbea worked with Shimano to get a tune that felt more natural mtb rather than emtb feels.
Excellent video as usual. I wonder if you guys could help a a bit. I'm buying my first EMTB this year BUT I'm very undecided between Levo SL v.s. Orbea Rise. I have already ridden a Levo SL and I felt the bike was good but lacks in motor power by having only 35 NM's, I know the Rise is more powerful than the Levo but does it feel like having almost double power compared to the LevoSL?
@@TheLoamWolf thanks so much for the feedback ;) but does it feel like almost the double of the power? (just insisting in the question because it's a deal breaker to me)
anyone know the real world milage range without the extended battery? I know it depends on the trail, etc, but just a general range? (I can't find this info anywhere on the internet)
We didn't hear any rattling on our ride, but it was quite windy and aside from moto whoops the trails were pretty smooth. But, like we said, it's dead silent, so far! Stand by for a long term review.
Other testers from other channels mentioned the motor has the rattling noise just like the EP8 that was recalled by Shimano when it was released! You did not mention the noise! Is the bike you tested quite as it should be or did they not want you to mention the rattle?
Hey Lou, while riding the bike on the trails we did not have any noise or rattle coming from the bike. If we had any issues we would certainly point them out.
Very late to be asking questions on this but you state in the video that “it’s not THE best bike you’ve ever ridden” (which is not a damning comment, just being honest), which made me wonder if you HAD to pick your favourite/the best bike you’ve ever ridden what would it be…?
@@L4J20 could we say boost mode on EP8 RS is like ECO (high) on regular EP8? If we could know abou the % of assistance on each mode we could make a accurate idea...
@@alvarofaura7389 No, we'd say it's closer to Trail. But then again, that's not an easy say because Trail in Mode 1 or Mode 2? And each brand (and end user) has the ability to modify the power from 9-11, so one full power bike with a setting on 9 from the factory and the Rise at 11 could be almost closer than a full size at 11 and another full size at 9. Hope that helps?
@@TheLoamWolf Hi! Thank you for the response. So the power on the SL is “2x you” basically gives you 100% of your own cranking power. The Levo gives 4x. So is the orbea 4x as well? I bought the SL because of the lighter weight, but do admit that I wish I had Levo (non SL) cranking power.
"For the average public, I'd say it has a really solid compression tune . . . "- Loam Ranger Ya hear that public? The majority of you will not need to revalve the shock, the compression tune is solid for publics!
@@TheLoamWolf Not to be snarky, but is he correct? That's a big difference, so I'd just like to get accurate intel. I'm very much leaning toward an S-works SL before next season, rode the Expert in SoCal just before the world ended. But I'm not tied to it if something better comes along.
@@Chuckolicious Hey Chase, we have not put an S-Works SL on the scale, but we did see the weight of the Orbea. So, comparing my Team Model to an S-Works model wouldn't really be apples to apples like Eric was pointing out. From what we understand the top tier LTD and S-Works bikes will likely be very close based on tire selection, amount of sealant, pedals used etc... Pretty negligible in all honesty and the extra range and power of the Orbea would probably be a major deciding factor... BUT, we still want to get the Rise on some proper MTB trails back home to compare more than just the motor/power output as there's a lot more to a kick ass ebike than power! Hope that helps...
Bike weights are never quite what they claim, since they come without pedals, and usually need some superlight parts changed out for real world riding. I have an M10 carbon with the 36 150 fork, which I would recommend if you want to ride rough trails hard, and bigger rotors and tires, and of course some enduro pedals, and it weighs 42 lbs
Rode more like a mountian bike than an ebike.. Thats not a selling point. Ebikes have way more grip, way more control in the air jumping and are so much better for those two reasons alone. But if your in denial and have to tell the haters it doesn't have much power and you only ride in eco because you feel like you are cheating so be it, but I think they are the ones losing out not ebikers and faster is better imo!
Disagree with some points there Troy. As far as our denial, we are on the All Boost All the Time program, so we're not shy about being ebike lovers! That being said, it can be a major selling point as there's more to a good performing ride than traction/grip. And control in the air is only good if you're in the air properly. If you've gone off a large drop or jump and had the front end drop on a 50lb ebike, compared to a 28lb bike you'll realize sometimes weight isn't your friend. Plus if you exit a corner and are off line or exiting wide headed directly at a rock, or downed tree, yanking a 50lb bike vs a 28lb bike back onto line is not the same. Snappy and quick changes in direction on tight twisty trails, also not the same. Playful maneuvers like nose bonks, manuals, etc are not as easy on bikes that weight twice as much and some riders actually value playfulness over traction. So, while it may not be a selling point for you, there are definitely riders who will buy this bike exclusively because it does ride lighter and more like a mountain bike, which is why we offered them that insight. We try to think of as many types of riders and terrain as possible. Thanks for writing in.
Don't agree - it's exactly a selling point for me. On techy trails I hate 50 lb ebikes, up or down. The point for me is a bike that gets me to the top faster so I can spend more time having fun mountain biking! And, a pleasant surprise is tech climbing is fun on these lighter ebikes. You actually don't want the full power in those cases since you spin out easily.
That is an entire topic in and of itself! With hundreds of bikes under our belts, we'd literally have to break that answer down into niche, travel groupings, application etc... The more we've ridden, the more we realize how much you can tell the difference between nuances in different bikes and categories. Are we talking "The best bike" for a one bike do it all application? OR the Best DH bike, the Best trail bike, the best XC race bike, the best big mountain eMTB, the best lightweight eMTB. haha. See, we're already spinning down the drain!
@@TheLoamWolf Aren't we blessed to have so many amazing bikes. And lucky to have folks like you, splitting the hairs to help us consumers find "The Best Bike" for our specific ride conditions. Your videos have aided in my decisions, where proper local demos were unavailable. It's the small things that matter so thanks for providing solid, honest and detailed bike reviews. It's also great that you don't shy away from pointing out the drawbacks because then we can decide whether that matters on our local trails or not!
@@daveleech5971 Indeed we are Dave! It's crazy sometimes we get so focused on these little nuances and in the end, we're just blessed to even have the ability to be able to ride bikes for fun!
51T cassette on an ebike? What in the actual fuck. Are all Ebikes marketed towards paraplegics? Its like they purposely put the heaviest components on it because there are batteries involved. In 2010 I thought 11-36T 10 speed on a non electric 32lb bike was too much range.
My Rise M LTD was 36.5 pounds stock with my pedals on it. Course I changed the tires, brakes, saddle, and a couple things to make it more worthy but it’s still only about 38 or so. XTR 2 pot brakes are a joke and that saddle was a board (but carbon!). You can add 36 fork, dpx2 shock, better tires and still be around 40 pounds.
@@brianwilliams2907 Hey Brian, I'm about to pull the trigger on an M10 and was wondering if you have had any issues with yours or if everything has been awesome so far.
@@brakesforsnakes757 It's been awesome so far. Really fun and "mountain bike like". The only problem I've had was the non-drive side crank arm coming off the second ride. The preload cap came off and the pinch bolt came loose. Apparently this is a known issue with e-thirteen cranks so you have to be careful to loctite the cap and torque it more than it says to. So far that's been a good fix.
Detuning for less torque? Sounds like a step backwards. It's like the cereal box contains less product and they charge you more because they lightend it up! No thanks Shimano/Orbea.
We're guessing that you're already a converted eBiker? We also had to step back and evaluate this bike as we're on the "All Boost All the Time" program, so we questioned where/why we'd want a bike with less power when we've already accepted the heavier weight for more speed, more power and more range. It was why the Turbo Levo SL was a "neither" bike for us. However, this bike definitely has more power than the SL, making it a talking point for sure. It's also lighter and rides more like a regular bike. Are we sold on eBike Light? Not sure yet... But we look forward to bringing one out on our home test tracks with full-powered ebikes to see how it compares, if we find ourselves leaving it in the garage for the bigger bikes on steep climb days, or if the DH performance has us dealing with the slightly slower climb times and less assist. It's certainly an interesting way that Shimano's EP8 has almost taken a step back, and made the ride more natural, we're curios to see how the public (and we) respond after having accepted the amount of Boost and assist we have...
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Orbea has a huge winner with this bike. The right design without crazy weight. I'd say it makes sense to aim for the highest end model, despite the price. The weight is important.
Love the lighter/lower powered E bikes.
As always great review, highlighting the good AND the not so good. Sounds like another great E bike.
Rad to see you guys ride my home trails.
Hulls Gulch Area ?
I’m 6’6” 230 lbs..I think this would help me keep up with my more experienced morning ride group..
Absolutely!
No way. I also have a Toyota land cruiser BJ46. Hopefully an orbea rise soon
Thanks guys for always providing awesome content! Watch every one of you videos!
You rock!Thanks very much for watching and writing in.
That looks exhilarating!! Great video bro 💯💯💯
Head to head up a steep climb 💯
Pretty sweet, got me thinking, but lbs doesn't sell one and love full power levo. To top it off I get 15 % off msrp at lbs.
Got to ride the Orbea Rise M 10 in a parking lot. It's an amazing bike, so light, tires almost look too small! Latest version of the motor was super silent. The lack of 'torque/power' threw me off a bit, that light box is not easy to tell where you're at power wise. Maybe this is a perfect bike for a lightweight rider? My Giant Trance 2021 X E + 29 3 is an SUV compared to this, apples to oranges for now and I hope to demo the Orbea on a trail soon.
Awesome bike but even better Landcruiser 👍
You should try to explain the feeling of 65nm ,, I have a levo (90nm)and a cube hybrid with 65 nm ,,and turbo mode on the cube is way stronger but fabric setup trail mode on the levo... it's between trail and turbo mode somewhere i Guess pretty much exactly in the middle of those and the cube is the exact same weight as the levo.. but when people say it's a light motor you would think it's really weak.. but it's actually very strong on a light bike you really need very steep hills lasting a long time to need much more..i would trade my levo for the orbea if I could
It's better looking than the spesh!
Would love to have the geo of the Kenevo SL with this motor/battery. I want less trail bike, more DH
Great review! How can I join you guys? when and where? Just purchased the Orbea Rise H10
Wish the rear was 150.... then you’d have the worlds perfect ebike
Very nice Bike. But i cant understand the idea of downgrading the motor, without doing any with the hardware. So it´s the same sice and weight, but brings less power. The Idea of Rotwild is way better in my opinion. Sizing down the motor only in one of the two settings. So you have full power in one setting, if you only want to do a short ride and still have an light emtb
Think I would put the fox X2 air shock with the 38 fork keep things light as.
i'm not really an e-bike fan but the rise looks good may consider something like that, more interested in that toyota tbh though :)
That "Cruiser would be perfect here in the Land Down Under
Once I get my storefront later in 2021, these bad boys will be available.
GMBN was a couple of minuites faster XD btw love the Landcruiser!
We like to respect brand's embargo times, and so we waited until the 7am post time set by Orbea.... Oh well. 😉
What is the best bike you’ve ever ridden?
Several reviews have led me to believe this bike has a firm ride. Can it be set up plush and supple for small bump compliance?
TBD, that's what we'll be setting out to test when we get one for long term review! Coming soon.
Love you guys. This looks nice. If I had a choice of one bike though, especially at these prices, it would be a full on Bosch. Not going to buy a $8000 bike and be limited by it. I can always run in eco, tour mode when running with my acoustical friends and ride 3,000ft and 50 miles with my EMTB friends.
Totally a valid point! We wonder how many converted ebikes will "go back" to a lower powered bike, or if this could be the style of eMTB that gets people to convert. Time will tell...
If you do slow technical ride, lower weight make a huge difference.
Shame about the music on every descent was curious to see about the rattle
None! The bike is silent but good idea. Next time we'll leave a couple raw segments of riding to listen to the bike work!.
Yeah, the rattle can is one reason I chose a bike with the e8000
Agreed! I would rather hear the sounds of the bike rushing down the trail than the music covering everything up...
@@TheLoamWolf why would we want to hear any music on a factual review
I’ve seen one built up with fox 38 forks and fox coil shock wonder what that rides like
Drew- what size did you ride on the Rise? Can you comment on sizing and how it felt. Compared to the Levo SL, it will seem like the Orbea L would compare more to the Levo SL XL? Comments appreciated and yet another great review from LW. Nice stuff Drew.
Basically an electric Orbea Occam
Fully watched . Wow the place is Awesome how to use the bike. The biking is a great excercise . KEEP safe and God bless
Can you confirm the weight on these? I thought they were closer to 44lbs. Also any plans to do a follow up or comparison between the carbon and new hydro aluminum models?
THIS model [M10] 36lbs. The high-end model with all carb [everything] is 33lbs.
I have a carbon M10 with the fox 36 150 fork, and with heavier tires, bigger rotors, pedals, etc, it weights 42 lbs
It is the nicest bike I have ever ridden, up and down.
How was the downhill ability compared to the Levo SL?
Too early to tell as this terrain was a bit unique to what we encounter on most trails, but it's gonna give it a run for it's money.
I wonder if the harshness can be fixed with an X2 shock?
Please try some more technical climbs in your next review thanks
We plan on it thanks
Great video - what did you use to shoot / record it? One of the best for stability and colour.
Iv got one on order it looks awesome. Only slight concern is this bike "enduro" enough. Ride mostly rough rooty trails here in Scotland and love the idea of this thing been nimble and fun but do you think it will be planted enough to smash the occasional rock garden and big drop or is this to much to be asking? Great insight though thank you guys 👏😊😊
Congrats and excited to hear you share your thoughts with us once you get more time on it on your home trails! With some volume reducer work and tires/inserts, you could possibly be crushing the "enduro" stuff. We are excited to get one to test ourselves and see how it goes.
what would you say, from your recommendation on the best lightest eMTB?
This is definitely up there if you're looking for an "ebike light" category bike.
What would you pick between the Rise and the regular Turbo Levo for a regular daily bike? I am currently riding a Levo and the Rise looks very intriguing. I ride in eco mode and rarely if ever use trail mode. 98 percent of my rides are completely in eco. I am into long epic narly trail rides with tons of climbing ( 2000 + meters) and the Levo certainly covers my bases but the weight is an issue and if there is a light weight bike with better trail feel and easier to lug around with range, I am interested. How would you compare the ride and is this an epic bike? My normal daily rides are in the 38km 1000m climb range. I weigh 165 lbs.BTW your reviews are by far the best in the business. I feel like you guys come at it with the eye of an avid North American rider and your approach to your reviews reflect it. (Some of the british reviews are brutal, can’t take anything they say seriously, but there are a few I respect) Your reviews with multiple riders is actually a great concept. We can all pick out the rider that reflects our riding style and pay attention to their likes and dislikes. Keep it up.
You mean a Levo SL and a Rise? I have a levo, they are not comparable really. It's like anything, you sacrifice one thing to gain another. You get a playful light bike that can be used without the motor, with less power (it's about half of the power as your levo) but the bike is lighter so it doesn't have as much weight to pull. Vs a boat with lots of power/assist at the cost of maneuverability, stopping power, and weight.
Ideally (if cost was not a thing, but it always is) you would use the bigger bike for long rides, steep climbing, adventurous single track style terrain or commuting and use the SL when you want to ride aggressively and throw the bike around, trail centers, single track, stuff like that. It's a Trophy Truck vs Rally Car.
I have a carbon rise. My wife has a turbo levo. I would say eco on the levo is close to trail mode on the rise. If you were to ride trail mode on the rise you would be hard pressed to do 2000 meters. I regularly ride 8 or 900 meters, and can go up to about 1500, but that's about it unless you want to live in eco, which will be a lot more work than on the levo. I have the range extender, and can easily do 2000 meters with it on the bike, but that adds about 2 1/2 lbs. The bike weighs 42lbs fully decked out the way I have it now with heavier tires, bigger rotors, enduro pedals, and a bottle cage.
Love the channel - Anything further to say about the Orbea Rise you tested a few months back? . Your initial response was it was a good bike but not seen much from you guys about it lately .
Thanks very much Derek. Stand by as we have our Rise now and are conducting a long term test on it. Still very happy so far!
Good to hear you are still running an Orbea Rise . I get my Rise next month but won’t be the high end spec that you are running but scope to upgrade the M20 .
I am interested in any suggestions on rear mudguards as the U.K. is tad muddier and where I ride there’s lots of flint that pings in all directions and is nasty - Will fit rapid racer clip on to the front as that looks good . Need a stylish rear guard or fender as you call them
Really looking forward to lighter e-bike as my Spectral ON was great , especially down hill , but too heavy so the Rise will be my second foray into eBikes as I have been running a Whyte hard tail since selling the Canyon
Love the video you guys do - really bikes doing real off road stuff
It's a shame the order lead-time on these is now out to October 2021! That's 2022 model time....
Seems like a pretty weird concept to me that you de tune a motor like that. I think they should just sell different battery sizes which is all that is different between this and any other e bike as far at I can see.
some of the other reviews around the web commented that the detuning allowed Orbea to spec components that are not "rated for ebike", which may have lowered the weight further? And that Orbea worked with Shimano to get a tune that felt more natural mtb rather than emtb feels.
Excellent video as usual. I wonder if you guys could help a a bit. I'm buying my first EMTB this year BUT I'm very undecided between Levo SL v.s. Orbea Rise. I have already ridden a Levo SL and I felt the bike was good but lacks in motor power by having only 35 NM's, I know the Rise is more powerful than the Levo but does it feel like having almost double power compared to the LevoSL?
It is notably more powerful than the SL. Orbea have done a great job with this bike.
@@TheLoamWolf thanks so much for the feedback ;) but does it feel like almost the double of the power? (just insisting in the question because it's a deal breaker to me)
@@CarlosAntunesMTB 60 is almost double 35. so i guess it does :)
Im inlove 😍
then what is the best (e) bike you have riden ?
anyone know the real world milage range without the extended battery? I know it depends on the trail, etc, but just a general range? (I can't find this info anywhere on the internet)
Looks nice! Does the EP8 RS rattle as much on the descents as the full power ep8?
We didn't hear any rattling on our ride, but it was quite windy and aside from moto whoops the trails were pretty smooth. But, like we said, it's dead silent, so far! Stand by for a long term review.
The Loam Wolf okay nice! Thank you
I have one. Seriously, if you notice that rattle on the way down, you are riding way too slow.
Other testers from other channels mentioned the motor has the rattling noise just like the EP8 that was recalled by Shimano when it was released! You did not mention the noise! Is the bike you tested quite as it should be or did they not want you to mention the rattle?
Hey Lou, while riding the bike on the trails we did not have any noise or rattle coming from the bike. If we had any issues we would certainly point them out.
Very late to be asking questions on this but you state in the video that “it’s not THE best bike you’ve ever ridden” (which is not a damning comment, just being honest), which made me wonder if you HAD to pick your favourite/the best bike you’ve ever ridden what would it be…?
Any rattling while cruising?
As of this first ride it was dead silent. Time will tell if anything loosens up, but as of now, it was like a stealthy MTB
@@TheLoamWolf thank you.
Is that Hulls Gulch ? 8th St ?
Looks fun and fast. But I think it would be fast on any bike tbh.
If you were riding MOTO trail. Why not have Class 3 capable/28MPH?
because they are testing THIS bike :)
How does it climb compared with a normal full power Ebike?
Embn just did this comparison...the full power ebike is faster and more powerful...as expected
@@L4J20 could we say boost mode on EP8 RS is like ECO (high) on regular EP8? If we could know abou the % of assistance on each mode we could make a accurate idea...
@@alvarofaura7389 No, we'd say it's closer to Trail. But then again, that's not an easy say because Trail in Mode 1 or Mode 2? And each brand (and end user) has the ability to modify the power from 9-11, so one full power bike with a setting on 9 from the factory and the Rise at 11 could be almost closer than a full size at 11 and another full size at 9.
Hope that helps?
What is the power comparison Levo SL vs the Orbea?
nearly double on the Orbea.
@@TheLoamWolf Hi! Thank you for the response. So the power on the SL is “2x you” basically gives you 100% of your own cranking power. The Levo gives 4x. So is the orbea 4x as well? I bought the SL because of the lighter weight, but do admit that I wish I had Levo (non SL) cranking power.
At 2x power, how does the range compare? (I never use the high power mode on the SL.)
Idaho?! No, Udaho!!
Haha
Make my day blessed please
Bless your day.
"For the average public, I'd say it has a really solid compression tune . . . "- Loam Ranger
Ya hear that public? The majority of you will not need to revalve the shock, the compression tune is solid for publics!
Did you just quote the Loam Ranger on our channel? Or did he also review this bike?
That team model you are testing is 40lbs. The 36lb is the LTD model. So, no its not lighter.
Thanks sunshine!
@@TheLoamWolf Not to be snarky, but is he correct? That's a big difference, so I'd just like to get accurate intel. I'm very much leaning toward an S-works SL before next season, rode the Expert in SoCal just before the world ended. But I'm not tied to it if something better comes along.
@@Chuckolicious Hey Chase, we have not put an S-Works SL on the scale, but we did see the weight of the Orbea. So, comparing my Team Model to an S-Works model wouldn't really be apples to apples like Eric was pointing out. From what we understand the top tier LTD and S-Works bikes will likely be very close based on tire selection, amount of sealant, pedals used etc... Pretty negligible in all honesty and the extra range and power of the Orbea would probably be a major deciding factor... BUT, we still want to get the Rise on some proper MTB trails back home to compare more than just the motor/power output as there's a lot more to a kick ass ebike than power!
Hope that helps...
Bike weights are never quite what they claim, since they come without pedals, and usually need some superlight parts changed out for real world riding. I have an M10 carbon with the 36 150 fork, which I would recommend if you want to ride rough trails hard, and bigger rotors and tires, and of course some enduro pedals, and it weighs 42 lbs
Rode more like a mountian bike than an ebike.. Thats not a selling point. Ebikes have way more grip, way more control in the air jumping and are so much better for those two reasons alone. But if your in denial and have to tell the haters it doesn't have much power and you only ride in eco because you feel like you are cheating so be it, but I think they are the ones losing out not ebikers and faster is better imo!
Disagree with some points there Troy. As far as our denial, we are on the All Boost All the Time program, so we're not shy about being ebike lovers! That being said, it can be a major selling point as there's more to a good performing ride than traction/grip. And control in the air is only good if you're in the air properly. If you've gone off a large drop or jump and had the front end drop on a 50lb ebike, compared to a 28lb bike you'll realize sometimes weight isn't your friend. Plus if you exit a corner and are off line or exiting wide headed directly at a rock, or downed tree, yanking a 50lb bike vs a 28lb bike back onto line is not the same. Snappy and quick changes in direction on tight twisty trails, also not the same. Playful maneuvers like nose bonks, manuals, etc are not as easy on bikes that weight twice as much and some riders actually value playfulness over traction. So, while it may not be a selling point for you, there are definitely riders who will buy this bike exclusively because it does ride lighter and more like a mountain bike, which is why we offered them that insight. We try to think of as many types of riders and terrain as possible.
Thanks for writing in.
Don't agree - it's exactly a selling point for me. On techy trails I hate 50 lb ebikes, up or down. The point for me is a bike that gets me to the top faster so I can spend more time having fun mountain biking! And, a pleasant surprise is tech climbing is fun on these lighter ebikes. You actually don't want the full power in those cases since you spin out easily.
12:31.... so what is the best bike you've ever ridden?
That is an entire topic in and of itself! With hundreds of bikes under our belts, we'd literally have to break that answer down into niche, travel groupings, application etc... The more we've ridden, the more we realize how much you can tell the difference between nuances in different bikes and categories. Are we talking "The best bike" for a one bike do it all application? OR the Best DH bike, the Best trail bike, the best XC race bike, the best big mountain eMTB, the best lightweight eMTB. haha. See, we're already spinning down the drain!
@@TheLoamWolf Aren't we blessed to have so many amazing bikes. And lucky to have folks like you, splitting the hairs to help us consumers find "The Best Bike" for our specific ride conditions.
Your videos have aided in my decisions, where proper local demos were unavailable. It's the small things that matter so thanks for providing solid, honest and detailed bike reviews.
It's also great that you don't shy away from pointing out the drawbacks because then we can decide whether that matters on our local trails or not!
@@daveleech5971 Indeed we are Dave! It's crazy sometimes we get so focused on these little nuances and in the end, we're just blessed to even have the ability to be able to ride bikes for fun!
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51T cassette on an ebike? What in the actual fuck. Are all Ebikes marketed towards paraplegics? Its like they purposely put the heaviest components on it because there are batteries involved. In 2010 I thought 11-36T 10 speed on a non electric 32lb bike was too much range.
No thanks on the battery change procedure and no display.
If you put it on a scale and post a picture then i will believe that's just over 35 pounds....
My Rise M LTD was 36.5 pounds stock with my pedals on it. Course I changed the tires, brakes, saddle, and a couple things to make it more worthy but it’s still only about 38 or so. XTR 2 pot brakes are a joke and that saddle was a board (but carbon!). You can add 36 fork, dpx2 shock, better tires and still be around 40 pounds.
@@brianwilliams2907 Hey Brian, I'm about to pull the trigger on an M10 and was wondering if you have had any issues with yours or if everything has been awesome so far.
@@brakesforsnakes757 It's been awesome so far. Really fun and "mountain bike like". The only problem I've had was the non-drive side crank arm coming off the second ride. The preload cap came off and the pinch bolt came loose. Apparently this is a known issue with e-thirteen cranks so you have to be careful to loctite the cap and torque it more than it says to. So far that's been a good fix.
You are pretty much describing my bike, and it's 42 lbs @@brianwilliams2907
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Me too, FJ45? It's was a beauty!
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Detuning for less torque? Sounds like a step backwards. It's like the cereal box contains less product and they charge you more because they lightend it up!
No thanks Shimano/Orbea.
We're guessing that you're already a converted eBiker? We also had to step back and evaluate this bike as we're on the "All Boost All the Time" program, so we questioned where/why we'd want a bike with less power when we've already accepted the heavier weight for more speed, more power and more range. It was why the Turbo Levo SL was a "neither" bike for us.
However, this bike definitely has more power than the SL, making it a talking point for sure. It's also lighter and rides more like a regular bike. Are we sold on eBike Light? Not sure yet... But we look forward to bringing one out on our home test tracks with full-powered ebikes to see how it compares, if we find ourselves leaving it in the garage for the bigger bikes on steep climb days, or if the DH performance has us dealing with the slightly slower climb times and less assist.
It's certainly an interesting way that Shimano's EP8 has almost taken a step back, and made the ride more natural, we're curios to see how the public (and we) respond after having accepted the amount of Boost and assist we have...