Post Office Inquiry: Chairman intervenes as public gallery scoffs
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- The former Post Office boss Paula Vennells has denied trying to influence the independent investigation into the Horizon IT scandal - as emails emerged revealing that she saw managing the media as an urgent priority. The inquiry chairman had to intervene during groans of derision from the public gallery.
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Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect £200
Yes well said
Hand back mbe
You sure she ain't got a get out of jail card? How many hotels she got?
She collected far more than £200 during her time at the Post Office: £5.1 million in fact during six years. She certainly should go to jail.
I think you mean do not collect 5.6 million wasn’t that how much she got during her tenure? I wish I could get half that. I guess CEOs get big payments because they are corporate fall guys. Part of the deal the unwritten contract
This is embarrassing. You can deny everything by saying "i dont recall" "i didnt consciously do that" "that wasn't my intention". Unbelievable.
Oh boy, the same disease as in the Netherlands when high ranking civil servants are questioned under oath. Here in the Netherlands we had the so called "Toeslagenaffaire (Benefits affair)". Even our prime minister mr. Mark Rutte has had this very specific form of amnesia. And all of the actors are always very, very sorry about wat happened to the victims ...
Contemptible woman.
Especially when the evidence proves the exact opposite, that she was commanding this approach.
And throw in a few tears for good measure, the old I was going through a lot at the time clause 🙄
@@jfkoetse The "I can't recall" defence is cutting very little ice in this case as there's an avalanche of proof that senior management of the Post Office and their hired thugs manufactured evidence to have innocent people falsely convicted of embezzlement then repeatedly perjured themselves before the courts and a parliamentary committee.
If Vennels and her lackeys don't get prison time for this then the entire British justice system will be brought into disrepute.
Post Office. Covid. Windrush. Hillsborough. Grenfell. Tainted Blood. We have these inquiries but nobody in authority ever ends up in prison or even accepting responsibility, just a day or two of inconvenience then off into the sunset with their bundle of cash. Its disgusting
It says a great deal about the country & its people.
@@billsmith-hl8rklet's remember the establishment gave her an OBE.
Systems of legal criminals" in office.. !!!
Announced this week it'll be ten years at least before there may be prosecutions over Grenfell. Unbelievable.
Then, when the dust has settled, they usually walk into massively overpaid jobs somewhere else. That is the way of things in the UK.
"Lying bully, with no conscience or empathy? You are just what this business is looking for. Welcome to the company".
Well done that woman shouting at PV as she left the building. She shouted for all of us!!!
I did!
She should have been escorted to a police van in handcuffs, not put in a taxi!!
Give that woman who's shouting at Vennells a CBE, I say. I believe there's one spare at the moment.....
Yesss give that woman who shouted out at PV a CBE hope PV going to give all her Bonus she's been paid back , and relinquish her Pension she needs Jail time , 😢
Big up to the heckler ..PV is an evil POS ...get her bonuses back and shared between the SPM in addition to their compensation.
Utter shameful behaviour. Just shows that she is just looking after no.1. Herself! And blaming others for decisions and actions she's taken.
Yes I totally agree but she will never go to jail and loss her millions of ill gotten gains ( but this is England ) fair play to everyone 🙏🏻
And she is a vicar or something? Ideally, she should be trustworthy and use the same moral principles in her own life that she preaches to the rest of us.
Like all overly religious people, she is in it for the power and elevated social status.
@@Skygrey2943 She is only an Anglican female priest, therefore has no status in Biblical Christianity.
I wish she would also name and blame the other individuals involved in this too.
No matter what excuses she's been giving and denying, her inappropriate actions have been put in writing by herself. No one else to blame but despite the evidences coming out, she's still denying, cannot recall and blaming the team around her.
Excellent work by the folks outside the courtroom...
Yeah I was thinking earlier that I would live to shout 'Burn the Witch' at her but that young lady excelled.
Put this shameful woman in prison
Sewing mailbags!
Along with many others!! She wasn't the only one!
Yes Yes yes
AND THE MEN BEHIND THIS CORPORATE PUPPET
Another unqualified, dithering woman, in a position she should NEVER have held.
Just like that idiot who used to run the CAA.
Why do we have women above the glass ceiling, if they cannot do the job?
R
Should be a criminal trial
Bide your time!!
Will be if they can tie it to an offence, e.g. perjury
More people not doing their jobs, police, courts, mp's. The reason is too many fail at their job responsibilities and just leave when it fails without re-dress. Needs to be changed by goverment.
£10,000 a day and cannot remember!
‘All guidance was followed’
She remembers everything but the time remote access was uncovered and still said it was not possible
Probably too busy reading the Beano and making tea and toast (for herself).
I’m just perplexed as to what she did every day. She isn’t a lawyer; she isn’t a techie; she isn’t PR aware She can’t type / put onto paper what she means. The Peter principle proved!
Typical over promoted Diversity Hire with Shoulder Pads.
NHS Trusts and Local Councils are FULL of these "Paulas".
I think she went to the George Costanza school of management
She typifies the fact that people who are felt to be ‘one of us’ and a ‘safe pair of hands’ are appointed by the private school and Oxbridge elites to nice juicy sinecures in quango’s all over the nation
I would not trust her with a teapot.
@@localreviewking134 A chocolate teapot would be more useful too !
It's amazing how much she doesn't remember.
She even doesn't remember not remembering.
She should remember all the families affected
I was starting to think, she’s probably got dementia.
Straight from the HRC book of how not to answer questions.
Selective memory
I don't believe her
As simple as that
And neither does the entire country
I’m watching from the United States and I don’t believe her either! I’m hoping justice is served but if it goes the way things do here there is little hope of seeing anyone serve jail time. Rules for thee but not for me.
One of the interviewees identified the essence of this: they don't know the difference between right and wrong.
They do know the difference between right and wrong very well. They just don’t (have to) care about it.
@@lisasei-leise287 I genuinely think they don't. They see only their own needs.
They absolutely know. You just have to see the picture of Rupert Murdoch reading Rutger Bregman’s book to realise how calculatingly nefarious these people are.
@@Hartley_Hare That’s an interesting take and it boils down to the definition of “to know”. There’s the right and wrong that is done to oneself and the right and wrong one does to other people.
I’m convinced that these people have a thorough idea of the wrong done to themselves but they don’t (have to) care about or understand what they are doing to other people.
(Maybe this makes it easier to consider themselves Christian, too.)
@@lisasei-leise287 I genuinely think they succeed because they're amoral and are wholly lacking in any kind of understanding of the limitations which ordinary people live within - morality is one word, for that, I suppose, or decency, perhaps. They camouflage it well, purely because they know that to be open about their outlook would invite censure. This means they take cues from others about what can be expressed, and how, without thinking about changing their behaviour or gaining any insight into themselves. Having worked with some of these people for a fairly heavyweight company, they're superficially charming, but absolutely unsettling.
they want bumper salaries and no accountability
They are accountable to hmrc, police and courts but none have acted on this fraud
She on a fat pension plan & she knows the Tories boys.😮
😮MONEY making
GREED CRISIS not a LIVING Crisis
Worldwide.
😢
" De-MOCK-arcy "
All just for the Fianacal
Gains for the
GREED and Egos that kills humanity.
Our past history is the proof of civilisations destroyed.
Leaders? Talk is cheap.
😢
Your bellies are full &
Your homes are warm.
Your Bank balance are full.
You don't listen to your soul that crys every morning to correct your self, but instead you please the darkness of your corruption.
😮😮😢😢😢
As I read elsewhere, women like her want the authority of a man, combined with the privilege of a woman and the responsibility of a child.
Amazing how these people occupying senior positions had such poor memories! I was waiting for her to say she was just following orders.
She may as well have said that… “I had a responsibility to the board”…. Nothing about a responsibility to the employees and the people they’ve sent to prison. Evil woman.
Sarah Burgess-Boyd hit the nail on the head when she said these people don't know the difference between right and wrong. Unfortunately those that don't know the difference are our MP's, MD's, executives, solicitors, most of them have power and hold all the cards in this country which is why there is so little justice.
It's worse. These people must know the difference between right and wrong in order to corrupt it.
Oh they know right from wrong, they just don't give a s##t.
One thing Paula Vennells will never suffer from is a guilty conscience .
She will have sleepless night from hereon.
Bye heck, the heckler at the end was top notch !
Thanks. I was honestly scared that they could have arrested me, but one of the PostMasters said they would have protected me if they had tried.
She really is a bad person. Period. She just didn't care. And now lives are ruined. Bad person.
She still doen't care. The only person she cares for, is herself.
Full stop ;-)
Isn't she quite grandiose/self-entitled! Doesn't believe she's responsible. A narcissist dare I say?
@@Haberdashery22
Quite possibly, there's an abundance of them in top corporate jobs.
@@dorothyblair6741 Agree. This is my understanding also.
I think the shouting protester at the end spoke for public opinion.
"Satan be gone". To be fair, I think old Lucifier would have been a lot fairer on the sub-postmasters
Paula’s idea of being a CEO. It’s all Susan’s fault or I don’t recall. She’s bereft of understanding right and wrong, competent versus incompetent and scepticism versus blind faith.
Watching her, promoted way beyond her capability. She might have made a nice server in a corner sweet shop. But even then, if she accidentally sold poison to customers, somehow she’d know it wasn’t her fault, it was everyone else that failed to check the label on the tin. And justify that she kept selling it regardless.
Her PR team have very carefully coached her. Sadly, this is an inquiry hearing, not a trial. The KC is walking on egg shells, he has to be polite and not ask certain questions because of parliamentary privilege, in other words he's got a hand tied hehind his back. Vennels still has a plumb job, didn't you know ? So just a few crocodile tears and this will all go away, BUT her disdain and contempt for her victims is still there, just under the surface.
Is her strategy to keep saying, “I don’t recall….. “ in the hope the British public and government will believe her? Really? Even the hearing appointees are flabbergasted, Do you really think we are that stupid? For your own dignity and moral code if you have one, just own up, I messed up, let’s deal with it…. This is not going to go away!
i think her strategy at the post office & afterwards & this week is to exasperate those trying to hold her to account. that's not being flippant, either - i think it's a quite conscious technique on her part. considering the power she sought over others, it's incredibly abusive, too
there was a great example of this yesterday. several months prior to the inquiry she was asked to reflect on what she could have done differently. she submitted two witness statements to the inquiry - total about 800 pages, but avoided addressing this question, instead suggesting this info could be got out of her during her testimony. it was yesterday, 42 minutes into the official feed. the kc refers her to page 774, paragraph 1800, if you can find a transcript. she says she's 'keen' to answer these questions about what she would have differently ... when i give my evidence to the inquiry - on page 774 of her statement!
there's something really, really broken in her head
The devil takes many forms
Do not be surprised that we hear soon she's taken her own life, go read the Markus Joost/Ikea case in South Africa, the day he was to be arrested for the financial fraud he committed at Ikea he shot himself,
That would be one evil person less in that case. An eye for an eye....
@@Ex-expat yes agree 👍💯
My local A&E department have banned me from playing the "I don't recall" drinking game....
I'm surprised you remember being banned.
@@adenwellsmith6908
The hospital sent me a letter with Big letters..... And something about a picture of my liver 🤷🏼♀️
it was just after Steve Bradshaw
Deadliest drinking game you could play! 😂
Why is this criminal getting so much police protection she should be in jail she’s a criminal
Because she’s on trial and hasn’t (yet) been found culpable, but I’ll be as disgusted and disillusioned with the British justice system as you will if she doesn’t get a lengthy prison sentence. She seems to be claiming ignorance at every turn and turning on the waterworks when it suits her but, last I heard, neither ignorance nor crying are a defence in UK law.
Calling someone a criminal before they're convicted of something could actually help to get them found not guilty.
Shes from the right society , she will be looked after . .. The same with Grenfell Inquiry , There are people responsible for the Deaths on that night and they were also pardoned , and slip away without justice being dealt . Just because they are from the right society .. But if it was a normal person they would be in court and in jail ,
@@K1lostream You are right, but it will take years for her to be put on trial.
Because "elites"don't do prison time,they get elevated to The Lords,or end up with cushy jobs with companies whose products they promoted.
The supposed covid inquiry is a prime example.
Look where Witty,Van Tam and Valance have ended up.Fat salaries from pharma companies,and the benevolence of Uncle Bill.
When human lives are sacrificed on the altar of corporate face saving😡
how can so many amnesiacs get such important jobs? how do they remember where they parked their cars in the carpark?
their lawyers tell them to plead innocence
They’re “specially selected “ for this Scum of the earth feature!
They have chauffeurs.
@@lat1419 and have the money 🤑💰 to get personal lawyers to tell them what to say,and they get told play amnesia
😢Becoming Kings,
the weak mortals wields their royal authority,
By oppressing the people, they gather wealth.
As they gather & collect it, they fill their empty souls, "for what & who?"
You ask?
😢Only to indulge in their pride & egotism, they crumble down & dissolve, as their weak heroes of the past.
😮Being fearless, they become unrestrain & raise their armies,
Only to rob the oppressed, while delighting their minds for GREED & Power.
😢Then when their breath leaves them,
they turn to ashes,
as being engrossed in attachment & GREED the blind fools fades away to death.
😢Their Enjoyments & pleasures are like a past dream.
😮😮😮😢😢😢
This woman has Police protection paid by the Tax Payer you couldn't make this up.
If she needs "protection" then she should have to pay for private security. It shows how connected she is - I am afraid that she won't ever face the consequences for her actions because of how connected she is.
😮MONEY making
GREED CRISIS not a LIVING Crisis
Worldwide.
😢
" De-MOCK-arcy "
All just for the Fianacal
Gains for the
GREED and Egos that kills humanity.
Our past history is the proof of civilisations destroyed.
Leaders? Talk is cheap.
😢
Your bellies are full &
Your homes are warm.
Your Bank balance are full.
You don't listen to your soul that crys every morning to correct your self, but instead you please the darkness of your corruption.
😮😮😮
She probably freaking needs it. God.only knows what all the people she's harmed would like to do to her in return. Personally, I hope she spends a long and healthy time in prison.
I went fishing in the summer about 30 years ago at a local mark and oddly enough I can remember the weather , who else was there , what I caught and getting take-away that night I must be a superhero or something...
You qualify for pol ceo
Lock her up.
We’re not Americans.
Let’s exercise a little decorum.
@@travelwell6049and let's not expect any from people like her. Let' s exercise the respect and decorum that this priest has never shown towards others. There is a limit to what even simple citizens like ourselves can accept otherwise they will get away with everything and will laugh at our decorum. (as I think they already do)
Anyone stating "I don't remember", "I don't recall" or "I was not involved in the conversation" so many times is guilty by just doing so or grossly incompetent and should be held accountable therefor for it either way. Executives and managers should be fired, charged on grounds of suspension as the postal workers were. Its utterly disgusting!
I've known plenty of CEO's in far less "prestigious" positions- all have either excellent memories or make sure to keep notes, especially when it relates to legal proceedings of the business they are in charge of. This isn't some matter of personal virtue- it's practically a necessity if you're an earnest businessperson. Anyone who truly couldn't recall this much from their tenure in a role is, as you say, grossly incompetent, but I think we all know she wasn't *that* incompetent, just truly malicious and self-serving.
“You disgust us”. Well said.
That lady shouting at her is bang on
More focus on PR than justice. Can't look bad. Can't seem guilty. Hard days.
I really think she'd be safer in prison. There's so much public rage against her.
She’ll bunk off abroad.
It would something like “house arrest” where she gets to live a normal life in the comfort of her own home.
@@adrianrose7703 On the same flight to Santa Monica as the Sunak family . . . in the hot, sunny summertime . . . just in time to settle in before the new school year starts?
They do know the difference between right and wrong, but they think if they lie, and cheat, dismiss, belittle, intimidate and accuse they will get away with all the wrong they are guilty of.
And she will get away with it.
😮MONEY making
GREED CRISIS not a LIVING Crisis
Worldwide.
😢
" De-MOCK-arcy "
All just for the Fianacal
Gains for the
GREED and Egos that kills humanity.
Our past history is the proof of civilisations destroyed.
Leaders? Talk is cheap.
😢
Your bellies are full &
Your homes are warm.
Your Bank balance are full.
You don't listen to your soul that crys every morning to correct your self, but instead you please the darkness of your corruption.
😮😮😮
Absolutely shocking. She needs to be held accountable. She was paid millions during her time as CEO.
A total incompetent in a job that was way out of her league. Believing that what she said was always right and firmly stuck in the same mindset that the system was faultless.
It was a hard watch but I watched these past two days of Vennels giving evidence and I cannot believe the numerous times she apologised for saying something in writing then stating she didn’t mean that. Her witness statement, scrutinised by her lawyers, had a number of inaccuracies which was rightly questioned by the KC. Her answers were, at times, all over the place going off at a tangent in a garbled confused manner. Still she wont be receiving Christmas cards from a number of her previous colleagues.
This is why you need a police investigation
I have an easy way to tell when Paula Vennells is lying... Her lips move!
Paula Venereal Disease.
These people need JUSTICE !!
...And Fujitsu is still embedded into the establishment, receiving major contracts and seemingly not being held accountable.
Vennells was clearly totally unsuitable for the role but was possibly recruited specifically when the issues with the Horizon system started emerging
She was hired for diversity reasons
Watching Jason Beer calmly just strip away her lies layer by layer - priceless..
Post office staff keeping to their core values and still playing pass the parcel.
Selective memory ! Recalls indirect questions but can’t recall direct questions. One and the same 🤔
Never forget, Starmer knew about this and about Jimmy Saville when he was head of CPS and failed to act on both.
4:11 Well said that woman!
So many emails she sent where the way they read was not upon reflection what she meant......bollox.
Tomorrow I think she will face quite a rough old time.
The aggresive banality of evil on full display.
Some people aren’t wired up right, unfortunately they can at times hold responsible positions. Let’s have some justice 👍
Best part of this is the “satan be gone… you disgust us”… lady. Bless you lady u had me rollin’ 😂😂😂😂😂
thanks!
Time in jail, often helps people with their memory.
This isn't like the Profumo affair, cash for questions or the expenses scandal...
...it is much, much worse.
A liar right there before us.
Not to know, not to understand, not to recall. Admitting your are an idiot is a very interesting line of defence!
She is all that's wrong with big companies
# Corperations
One thing i hope from this debacle is that the UK post office should not be given powers to prosecute anyone and if any criminal acts in post office should only be handled by UK Police only, But we will see
What was her job if she doesn’t remember all of this? Was she the cleaner?
It would be quicker if she just told us what she does remember. Next can we have an enquiry into who the devil appointed her - and why? This bishop manque with no functioning memory, who was never at meetings or part of any conversation relating to the organisation she was supposed to be managing - what did she appear to offer.
'be gone satan' haha
I can’t see how she can avoid going to prison, but I do think the establishment will feather her fall because they always do for her type.
Shes from the right society , she will be looked after . .. The same with Grenfell Inquiry , There are people responsible for the Deaths on that night and they were also pardoned , and slip away without justice being dealt . Just because they are from the right society .. But if it was a normal person they would be in court and in jail ,
Jason Beer is clinical and wow! Tomorrow brings the rest....PV is going to have to bring those croc tears into play again...
CEO of the Post Office.
Ordained Anglican Priest.
Supported by Arch Bishop.
Gong from the Crown.
Top NHS job.
HOW , I mean really, HOW.
Corruption
"We know they are lying. They know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie." -Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Well done to the woman who gave her an ear full!
And this woman is a vicar???
Was I think, not anymore
And was being considered for bishop of London?
How can a highly paid head of a company ‘Not Know’ or ‘Can’t Remember’ anything that May incriminate her?
It isn't a valid response. They are paid to know. And pleading ignorance is no excuse.
So I’m watching this and I still cannot understand what the point is of showing this ( liar liar pants on fire ) how much more evidence 🤷🏻♂️
Because we want to see her lying and tripping herself up and squirming in her seat as she faces her culpability.
I know to some degree she probably still believes she is above the law but I hope she is scared and ridden with guilty
3:50.....an extremely important observation. "We know the difference between right and wrong - these people dont". Now: Every trade has its own ethos - my sister is a journalist and would NEVER, EVER tell who her sources are. Professional bus drivers would never touch alcohol before driving. Musicians try not to diss or steal from each other. And in most jobs, you would rather die than lie.
But - and there is a big but here - lawyers and economists are taught, that a single truth does not exist. That facts can be bent or spun. And Vennells here - as an economist - shows exactly that.
the NFSP cant say anything - they were complicit
I DONT KNOW HOW TO TELL THE TRUTH.
£5.1m for a person who can't quite recall.
I will make a ringtone with those groans of derision from the Post Masters. Epic.
Should be on a criminal trial
I believe that she should be prosecuted about where she has misled the attempts by the postmasters to get justice - and also if her memory and cognisance is so poor, the salary and bonuses she received should be returned by selling her assets. For this woman to be a Anglican Priest must also call into question their vetting procedures?
Given her former position as Post Office CEO, her capacity for recollection of key events during her tenure appear to be poor at best. I would have thought that this would have been one of the most important qualifications in securing the job from the outset ? I therefore can only conclude, that this woman is clearly 'Lying through her teeth' & will do anything to avoid what ought to result in a Custodial Sentence.
Someone nicking a chocolate bar at the local shop would have police and court thrown at them - but this woman will walk off with a huge payout. Typical.
“I don’t remember” well how mighty convenient.
Jail. Surely, if there is a justice system in this country
She Should Be Jailed For Perjury, and Manslaughter .
Be this is very unlikely that this will ever happen!
They all stick together
There is no justice system in this country but rather a legal system. However. If no justice; then vengeance.
Great reporting,. She can't keep saying I don't remember. It's just not believable anymore..
So she fake cries.. Cant feel very regretful. As she new she was throwing other ppls lives away. To avoid "headlines" Let the public decide the punishment.. But its the same everywhere in the world. Its easy to throw "the lower" ppl under the bus. Than stand up and take the heat yourself. Well, this will happen again, and again. In different forms. Power and money...
"I dont recall" seems to be the post office management motto.
Greed has no boundaries.
Nothing will happen. The facade of justice. They never punish their own kind. It's all part of the deal. Unspoken yet they all know and act accordingly.
Anglican priest😅.How can she memorise long passages of The Bible when she can barely remember her own name?
15 yrs minimum for this compulsive liar who can’t conveniently remember anything
It's a medical condition - amnesia.
It's not a medical condition if you fake it.
Paula has worked on this, her statement for the last 3 years.... 😮 Goodness... From the comfort of her home paid for with her 5 million pounds as her pay over the years she worked as a cover up CEO for the Post Office.
Today she can't recall, can't remember, can't believe, and certainly can't be truthful....
Sounds like Nicola sturgeon.
gonnae no say that?
Tis infectious.
It time to start jailing people like her
Vennells absolutely knew that Horizon was faulty.
Therefore she knew that they were persecuting hundreds of innocent people,
Sending them to prison,
Putting them into huge debt.
Robbing them of their:
Businesses,
Life savings,
Financial stability,
Reputation, Dignity and normal Pride in themselves,
Abilty to ever be employed again,
Lifestyle,
Mental Health,
And for some, even drove them to suicide.
Who could survive such a destructive force, without being totally devastated, and ruined?
Her actions literally affected thousands of people, in a very destructive way.
And she knew the evidence that this was based on, was a lie, that she, herself, kept hidden.
And she insisted others kept hidden.
How is that not evil?
A supposed priest 🙄
To be honest the whole lot of the Post Office management are rotten to the core!
The way the innocent postmasters were treated was absolutely wicked!
Why isn't she being prosecuted? I'm surprised a "professional" hasn't been hired to deal with her
She can be sued privately after this enquiry is complete. That's my understanding.
Her crocodile tears fooled nobody and neither does her attack of mass amnesia, let alone her pathetic attempts at saying sorry. How on earth these vastly overpaid Post Office executives think they can get away with their lies and deceit is really quite extraordinary. Lets hope the Crown Prosecution Service is watching their devious antics very closely.
She missed out on being the Bishop of London.
A great shame too. Welby supported her application and some of the sh** sticking to her would have ended up on him, which would be totally deserved.
@@DeceptiveRealities and he won't criticise Israel
there is still time. corruption is rife in Britain
"We know they are lying. They know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie." -Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Spot on that lady, they don't know the difference between right and wrong.
Don't know, Don't care.