And that she was left with the bad friend and lost the good one bc of the bad one. I’m sure that really hurt, esp knowing she was part of Lisa’s schemes that eventually pushed daisy over the edge. Like it was her fault partly that she lost a friend :(
yes omg, you can see the chemistry even though the scenes are not many. daisy is literally bitchy to everyone but susanna, its like she feels safe or comfortable w her
Not really. Not really at all. Daisy was being sexually abused by her father. Lisa antagonized her, but the truth is no one can make you feel or do anything. Daisy killed herself because of her own depression and sadness.
@@NayeliR699 I agree. She was engaging in fake hospitality in order to get what she wanted. She even asked at the door if they had Valium before she let them in.
I remember watching this movie for the first time and crying. Sh*t was so f*cked up. Lisa was evil. She really is a sociopath she really kept kicking daisy when she was already down to the point she off-ed herself. This part broke my heart because daisy was so brainwashed and gr00med that she was in denial about it so she used the chicken cutting and drugs as coping mechanisms for abuse. Lisa just broke her delusions and brought her back into reality which was that she was being abused for years by her DAD of all people. Sad movie. It's a good one but Jesus it's depressing AF.
Your definitely right of pint with Lisa breaking Daisy’s Delusion of the relationship between her and her father. Lisa just completely tipped her over the edge.
@reneekane9912 Lisa seemed very jealous of the non-incest parts of Daisy's relationship with her father. She mentions "Daddy's money" more than once and uses it as an insult.
You can literally see Daisy's whole psyche crash and burn to the ground on those stairs with that brutal, harsh truth of what's really going on. You're NOT better--you're much, much worse.
Also another thing that I noticed was when Susanna and Lisa were at her apartment and she was asking if they had a safety net in Florida , relatives or anything, I think she was silently asking for help without being too upfront about it. You can see it in her eyes.
Susanna and Daisy didn’t spend much time together but clearly they would’ve been good friends. Lisa took Daisy’s dilemma and used it to push her over the edge. 😔
The way Lisa spoke to Daisy hurt my damn heart! I had yo take deep breaths! Crazy thing is i was like 13 years old watching this movie!!!!! Absolutely one of my ALL time favorites though!
Very dark movie from what I’ve seen so far. In my opinion, I think this movie is scarier than scary movies because it implies a lot of dark things, and the harsh reality of mental health. Also, very sad.
@@Painting866Half of these people are Lisa’s. Some of them are saying she would have killed herself anyway which isn’t even the point of this scene it was showing you the power of a sociopath around a vulnerable person.
this means when an actress is very good. Covering multifaceted roles and always conveying emotions. Impersonate them regardless of whether you love or hate them. in this film she won the Oscar and she deserved it because ultimately her character was the most difficult to interpret.
angelina really fucking killed this roll, she doesn't; get enough respect she is fuckin incredible. love her preformance should do number 2 with them all grown up now would be fucking brilliant
It wouldn't really work but the concept sounds sick. It would also just be depressing bc of Daisy's character being gone. And also Brittany being gone, and Susanna got released
She has borderline, it's an illness not a character flaw or moral failing. She is enamored by Lisa (like her favourite person) and attaches to her because of her illness
Lisa got triggered when Daisy asked if she had a safety net or anyone in Florida which she knows is no. It hurt and angered Lisa and she set her mind to destroy Daisy then. Daisy couldn’t take it when Lisa put it to her that way that she had all these things and her dad SA her and that everyone knows and that this ‘love’ is all she ever knew. She was forced to confront the truth abruptly and just couldn’t handle it. The facade that she had tried to put on crumbled and she took her own life
I know it’s not the worst thing Lisa says in the scene by far but it always made me so sad when she was talking about her and Susana going to Disney to be princesses and the way Daisy’s expression goes from excitement to sadness when Lisa makes the cruel remark about her being the cocker spaniel eating spaghetti.
I recited Lisa's monologue in this at a theater camp one summer when I was in middle school to a bunch of 12 year olds I can't even believe nobody said anything 😭 in fact my teacher pulled me aside and said she loved it and that I should go into acting...dear lord 😭
wow, congratulations you memorized and recited a bunch of lines from a movie... HOLY SHIT. You deserve an Oscar for each line you delivered i bet!!! It's entertaining when Angelina says them, not you. lmao
The thing is, sociopathy is a lot more common than people tend to realize. There’s the more functional kind that can better acclimate to society and almost pass as an otherwise normal person.. And then there’s Lisa. We often don’t see it because we choose to be naive and look away rather than deal with the harsh truth about people and mental health. Angelina Jolie understood her role and did a flawless job.. But we have to realize that there are more coverted versions of Lisa walking around among us every single day than we could possibly comprehend.
Lisa was a sociopath, so, do parents, that are sociopaths, do they often talk like they're the smartest one in the room? Like they know more than anyone else? Is that condescension usually a key element in their personality??
@@Anoirmori Yes absolutely. We have sociopathy in my family. My uncle and my eldest first cousin did this EVERY day. That is one hallmark symptom. I think it’s categorized under “grandiose” behavior. Narcissists can also do this. Psychopaths are the master of this trait.
Covering for daisy? They being decent people. They did not want to traumatise daisy further since there was nothing they could do about it. Daisy was not safe here or in the psyche ward. Her dad has been assaulting her since young. To survive her psyche accepted it as her normal. Lisa knew all this and chose to antagonise her to her death. Horrible jealous woman. They were all sick but Lisa was vicious and cruel
Daisy was somewhat masking how truly horrific her situation was up til that point until the horrible truth was thrown into her face by Lisa. The look on her face tells you she finally realised just how devastating her situation was.
I wished Susanna and Daisy continued to be friends. Daisy was being a friend by letting them stay at her house.. bringing them blankets and asking them how they are..
Lisa was abandoned or worse by her own parents. Daisy rejected her offer to get out of dodge to go to Disney World - a real chance at life in Lisa’s mind. So Daisy’s rejection triggered Lisa’s abandonment issues and you don’t say no to Lisa without paying a price. Then Daisy said that Lisa was just jealous etc prompting Lisa to go for the throat. These were issues her therapist should have brought to light about having choices in life. The staff knew what was going on but since Daisy was a adult social services couldn’t step in even if they called to report the abuse or possible sexual abuse. I also think that the chickens would smell at Daisy’s house and they couldn’t have that smell or her there during the holidays where they would have guests over so they (her mom too) sent her on vacation to the ward. Mom knew about it
In this scene my theory is Lisa pushed Daisy towards the edge cuz of jealousy and her being a sociopath. At the mental hospital, Lisa loved to torment Daisy cuz shes a sociopath who like to control and torment others to have them under her wing or for fun. The scene when Susanna was being friendly to her and offering her laxatives, then Lisa barged in and kept messing with her til Daisy traded her valium to Lisa for Susanna's laxatives, and then Lisa embarrassed Daisy in front of Susanna when she revealed the foul eaten chickens under her bed. Lisa's way of keeping her power and her friend away from others. Daisy always talking about how she loved her dad, getting her own place, acting like everything in her life is a blessing, when everyone knows she's being sexually abused, still mentally sick and lying to herself. Makes Lisa much angry and jealous, cuz her own family left her in the hospital when she was 12. And never see her. This scene I can tell Lisa's sociopathic mind was at work after she sees Daisy has everything but she was faking that she was happy, cutting herself and still being abused , Susanna is more nice to her and friendly, and that threatens Lisa. Angelina Jolie pulled this scene off so well she earned that Oscar
I wonder if sooner or later Daisy wouldve snapped and killed herself. Lisa certainly brought it furward but yeah, the girl was lieing to herself to avoid the HORRIFYING reality of her circumstances, which, i dont think she could escape. 60s, people knew but dident do anything about it, and her father kept her dependent on him. She was trapped. Death sadly was maybe the only escape. Her case is really scary
But the thing that makes this tear jerking is that everything Lisa said was 100% true. Except for maybe the last enjoy part. Cause it’s Statutory and Stockholm. She realizes this in her teens and thus dad starts bribing her things to keep her quiet
I always assumed it was because out of the hospital her dad was abusing her alot more and she needed Valium to cope at home. Plus at the hospital she had people around even if she pushed them away at home it was just her. She might have been planning to commit suicide with them as well.
Angelina's acting was so on point delivering it, that I just felt bad for Daisy, an that line led her to killing herself. Bc Lisa was right about her liking the sex with her Dad, Daisy delt awful an couldnt take it anymore, having Lisa And Susanna visit was at a bad time, but if you think about she was planning to do it anyway. Brittany Murphy, was a good Actress this Movie she keeps up with Jolie, but Winona's chatacter is just the same as Jolie.
This was excruciating to listen too. Imagine a woman telling you that you like having sex with your dad and it being true. I think that is what killed her.
I don't get it. Why would the father put her there knowing she can put him in prison by telling the doctors or doing checkups. Doesn't make sense at all. I don't think Melvin also abused her. Dr. Wick would noticed it and the girls would report him. I believe Daisy could have been abuse by someone else like her father's friends or teachers or her classmates. Her mother was never brought up. So she kept her pure innocent looks for her dad since he was the only parent. It just doesn't add up her father doing that and still doing it after she "recovered". I think they were other men.
I think her father, her abuser, was in love with her, and saw she had mental health issues, that’s why he put her in the hospital. She wouldn’t betray her father because she still loved him even if he abused her, I think the abuse started when Daisy was really young so she just got used to finding coping mechanisms (sh for example) and never telling anyone about it. Plus she was very reserved, getting a private room so she wouldn’t have to talk to anyone. Maybe the hospital was also paid off by her father since they let her out when she was clearly not well.
Certian crimes and abuses were often ignored or not talked about in the old days. For example if you were married there was no such thing as "rape". A man could do as he wanted to his spouse the cops wouldent take it seriously, along with other things. Since this movie is set in the 60s that probably added to why this bastard wasent in jail
Sadly Susanna would have made better friends with daisy and it’s almost as if she realised that after daisy died which is heartbreaking
Is it just me or did Daisy never get the valium???
@@LauraLush0 i thought they had it?
I feel like that’s what Susanna originally wanted when she first entered Daisy’s room but Lisa dug her claws into her and dragged her down.
And that she was left with the bad friend and lost the good one bc of the bad one. I’m sure that really hurt, esp knowing she was part of Lisa’s schemes that eventually pushed daisy over the edge. Like it was her fault partly that she lost a friend :(
yes omg, you can see the chemistry even though the scenes are not many. daisy is literally bitchy to everyone but susanna, its like she feels safe or comfortable w her
daisy was so nice to let them stay and lisa had to be the straw that broke the camels back :-(
Right!
She even gave them money for pancakes!
She was a very sweet, troubled young lady.
Not really. Not really at all. Daisy was being sexually abused by her father. Lisa antagonized her, but the truth is no one can make you feel or do anything. Daisy killed herself because of her own depression and sadness.
@@KDrop84plus sooner or later she would’ve she was already cutting her self
She only wants the pills
@@NayeliR699 I agree. She was engaging in fake hospitality in order to get what she wanted. She even asked at the door if they had Valium before she let them in.
I remember watching this movie for the first time and crying. Sh*t was so f*cked up. Lisa was evil. She really is a sociopath she really kept kicking daisy when she was already down to the point she off-ed herself. This part broke my heart because daisy was so brainwashed and gr00med that she was in denial about it so she used the chicken cutting and drugs as coping mechanisms for abuse. Lisa just broke her delusions and brought her back into reality which was that she was being abused for years by her DAD of all people. Sad movie. It's a good one but Jesus it's depressing AF.
Lisa was jealous of Daisy in this scene and that's what triggered her to push daisy over the edge. Wild!
Your definitely right of pint with Lisa breaking Daisy’s Delusion of the relationship between her and her father. Lisa just completely tipped her over the edge.
@reneekane9912
Lisa seemed very jealous of the non-incest parts of Daisy's relationship with her father.
She mentions "Daddy's money" more than once and uses it as an insult.
You can literally see Daisy's whole psyche crash and burn to the ground on those stairs with that brutal, harsh truth of what's really going on. You're NOT better--you're much, much worse.
Makes me think of clueless….
When she said, “that’s harsh”!
Harsh. MUCH!!!
God my stomach turned when Lisa said those things to her. One of the most powerful scenes i've ever seen.
Also another thing that I noticed was when Susanna and Lisa were at her apartment and she was asking if they had a safety net in Florida , relatives or anything, I think she was silently asking for help without being too upfront about it. You can see it in her eyes.
Same, sadly when she heard Lisa’s “yeah.” she knew she was lying, and resorted to offering money for her pancakes, and requesting the Valium.
Susanna and Daisy didn’t spend much time together but clearly they would’ve been good friends. Lisa took Daisy’s dilemma and used it to push her over the edge. 😔
They had more scenes together, but they were removed from the final cut.
Daisy’s persona went exactly like a roller coaster
The way Lisa spoke to Daisy hurt my damn heart! I had yo take deep breaths! Crazy thing is i was like 13 years old watching this movie!!!!! Absolutely one of my ALL time favorites though!
daisy denying having a tub upstairs is an eerie foreshadow :(
Very dark movie from what I’ve seen so far. In my opinion, I think this movie is scarier than scary movies because it implies a lot of dark things, and the harsh reality of mental health. Also, very sad.
Have you seen it yet?
I hope you watched it. Its very well made
Even though Lisa was incredibly cruel, she did have a point. The scenery changed but the situation remained the same.
yeah but it’s not like she cared, she was being cruel just to be cruel after she gave them shelter. Pretty petty and unnecessary.
It was clearly not a good idea to point that out.
Why would you be rude to someone that let you spend the night?
@@Painting866Half of these people are Lisa’s. Some of them are saying she would have killed herself anyway which isn’t even the point of this scene it was showing you the power of a sociopath around a vulnerable person.
@ipukeglitter435 Everyone is different but it seems you’re right. I think Daisy is sweet for letting them stay over and making them comfortable.
Brittany Murphy was a good actress and I love all of her movies.
this means when an actress is very good. Covering multifaceted roles and always conveying emotions. Impersonate them regardless of whether you love or hate them. in this film she won the Oscar and she deserved it because ultimately her character was the most difficult to interpret.
angelina really fucking killed this roll, she doesn't; get enough respect she is fuckin incredible. love her preformance should do number 2 with them all grown up now would be fucking brilliant
It wouldn't really work but the concept sounds sick. It would also just be depressing bc of Daisy's character being gone. And also Brittany being gone, and Susanna got released
@@lucyyatessss maybe she was misdiagnosed
Susanna is such a weak character for allowing Lisa to manipulate her, and get between her and Daisy's potential friendship.
Daisy wasn’t exactly the friendly type. Not that I blame her considering what her dad did to her but still.
She has borderline, it's an illness not a character flaw or moral failing. She is enamored by Lisa (like her favourite person) and attaches to her because of her illness
Yeah, I wonder was Susanna was quietly disagreeing with “ooooh God” when she would have tried to intervene.
She should have stopped Lisa. But if you read the book, this never happened. This was just added for drama
Lisa got triggered when Daisy asked if she had a safety net or anyone in Florida which she knows is no. It hurt and angered Lisa and she set her mind to destroy Daisy then. Daisy couldn’t take it when Lisa put it to her that way that she had all these things and her dad SA her and that everyone knows and that this ‘love’ is all she ever knew. She was forced to confront the truth abruptly and just couldn’t handle it. The facade that she had tried to put on crumbled and she took her own life
I know it’s not the worst thing Lisa says in the scene by far but it always made me so sad when she was talking about her and Susana going to Disney to be princesses and the way Daisy’s expression goes from excitement to sadness when Lisa makes the cruel remark about her being the cocker spaniel eating spaghetti.
Lisa was cold but the truth needed to be said … the hospital KNEW that is so wild to me
The truth? Wtf she literally told daisy that she loves it Lisa isn't a good person she is a sociopath
I recited Lisa's monologue in this at a theater camp one summer when I was in middle school to a bunch of 12 year olds I can't even believe nobody said anything 😭 in fact my teacher pulled me aside and said she loved it and that I should go into acting...dear lord 😭
omg noooo cringe
@@FifiLuellaleave them alone 🙄
wow, congratulations you memorized and recited a bunch of lines from a movie... HOLY SHIT. You deserve an Oscar for each line you delivered i bet!!! It's entertaining when Angelina says them, not you. lmao
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Cringe.
Love Daisy - just want to save her, don't you? Brittany Murphy was such an amazing actress. RIP
The thing is, sociopathy is a lot more common than people tend to realize. There’s the more functional kind that can better acclimate to society and almost pass as an otherwise normal person.. And then there’s Lisa. We often don’t see it because we choose to be naive and look away rather than deal with the harsh truth about people and mental health.
Angelina Jolie understood her role and did a flawless job.. But we have to realize that there are more coverted versions of Lisa walking around among us every single day than we could possibly comprehend.
Actually contrary. Sociopathy is less common than people think. Trust you’d know you met a true socio/psychopath.
@@EmmanuelQuianes Read “The Sociopath Next Door” by Martha Stout.
Lisa was a sociopath, so, do parents, that are sociopaths, do they often talk like they're the smartest one in the room? Like they know more than anyone else? Is that condescension usually a key element in their personality??
@@Anoirmori Yes absolutely. We have sociopathy in my family. My uncle and my eldest first cousin did this EVERY day. That is one hallmark symptom. I think it’s categorized under “grandiose” behavior. Narcissists can also do this. Psychopaths are the master of this trait.
When daisy said she got better and released it made Lisa upset. I think she was tired of everyone coddling and covering for Daisey and her dad.
It made her jealous
Lisa was a sociopath did not care about her.
Covering for daisy? They being decent people. They did not want to traumatise daisy further since there was nothing they could do about it. Daisy was not safe here or in the psyche ward. Her dad has been assaulting her since young. To survive her psyche accepted it as her normal. Lisa knew all this
and chose to antagonise her to her death. Horrible jealous woman. They were all sick but Lisa was vicious and cruel
1:02 - 1:10 she looked so happy being with Susana. 😕
Because it’s a friend that’s all she wants is a friend 🥺
lisa is awful she really is insane, daisy has been nothing but sweet to her
Superb acting
She also had a cat, I feel bad she has no owner now(
Susanna takes her to the hospital and when she leaves, she gives the cat to Polly.
@@ellagoreyshorrorstories7524 for real? Oh thank god
Daisy was somewhat masking how truly horrific her situation was up til that point until the horrible truth was thrown into her face by Lisa. The look on her face tells you she finally realised just how devastating her situation was.
I wished Susanna and Daisy continued to be friends. Daisy was being a friend by letting them stay at her house.. bringing them blankets and asking them how they are..
6:11 😔 RIP Brittany Murphy
Didn't she die in 8 Mile, too???
Brittany was abused by her Mum.
@@LauraLush0 no, she died irl in Dec 2009. RIP Brittany Murphy
Lisa was abandoned or worse by her own parents. Daisy rejected her offer to get out of dodge to go to Disney World - a real chance at life in Lisa’s mind. So Daisy’s rejection triggered Lisa’s abandonment issues and you don’t say no to Lisa without paying a price. Then Daisy said that Lisa was just jealous etc prompting Lisa to go for the throat. These were issues her therapist should have brought to light about having choices in life. The staff knew what was going on but since Daisy was a adult social services couldn’t step in even if they called to report the abuse or possible sexual abuse.
I also think that the chickens would smell at Daisy’s house and they couldn’t have that smell or her there during the holidays where they would have guests over so they (her mom too) sent her on vacation to the ward. Mom knew about it
Daisy wasn’t an adult. She was only seventeen.
If Daisy hasn't mentioned the cat Lisa would have let her live
Ryder has beautiful eyes
In this scene my theory is Lisa pushed Daisy towards the edge cuz of jealousy and her being a sociopath.
At the mental hospital, Lisa loved to torment Daisy cuz shes a sociopath who like to control and torment others to have them under her wing or for fun.
The scene when Susanna was being friendly to her and offering her laxatives, then Lisa barged in and kept messing with her til Daisy traded her valium to Lisa for Susanna's laxatives, and then Lisa embarrassed Daisy in front of Susanna when she revealed the foul eaten chickens under her bed. Lisa's way of keeping her power and her friend away from others.
Daisy always talking about how she loved her dad, getting her own place, acting like everything in her life is a blessing, when everyone knows she's being sexually abused, still mentally sick and lying to herself. Makes Lisa much angry and jealous, cuz her own family left her in the hospital when she was 12. And never see her.
This scene I can tell Lisa's sociopathic mind was at work after she sees Daisy has everything but she was faking that she was happy, cutting herself and still being abused , Susanna is more nice to her and friendly, and that threatens Lisa.
Angelina Jolie pulled this scene off so well she earned that Oscar
I wonder if sooner or later Daisy wouldve snapped and killed herself. Lisa certainly brought it furward but yeah, the girl was lieing to herself to avoid the HORRIFYING reality of her circumstances, which, i dont think she could escape. 60s, people knew but dident do anything about it, and her father kept her dependent on him. She was trapped. Death sadly was maybe the only escape. Her case is really scary
I love this movie
A great movie
0:03-0:10 off topic but i always found the looks lisa and susanna give each other to be so funny 😂😂they were like 🤨
Brittany Murphy breaks my heart in this movie. The look in her eyes is so broken. Poor little girl.
Sadly Lisa called her out.. Daisy was hurting… psychotic people do this .. stay away
But the thing that makes this tear jerking is that everything Lisa said was 100% true. Except for maybe the last enjoy part. Cause it’s Statutory and Stockholm. She realizes this in her teens and thus dad starts bribing her things to keep her quiet
Labamba Brilliantly put x
You can be the cocker spaniel that eats spaghetti lmao 😂
Hermosa Murphy
why does she not take the valium in the hospital, yet she wants them in her apartment? any medical reason for this?
I always assumed it was because out of the hospital her dad was abusing her alot more and she needed Valium to cope at home. Plus at the hospital she had people around even if she pushed them away at home it was just her. She might have been planning to commit suicide with them as well.
@@liddybug8311 i see thanks
This always bothered me too, such an small detail but it bugged me
Lisa also mentions it in this scene “I thought you didn’t do Valium…?”
Angelina's acting was so on point delivering it, that I just felt bad for Daisy, an that line led her to killing herself. Bc Lisa was right about her liking the sex with her Dad, Daisy delt awful an couldnt take it anymore, having Lisa And Susanna visit was at a bad time, but if you think about she was planning to do it anyway. Brittany Murphy, was a good Actress this Movie she keeps up with Jolie, but Winona's chatacter is just the same as Jolie.
Daisy was abused and lisa was so cruel
It's 1 in the morning
6:16
This was excruciating to listen too. Imagine a woman telling you that you like having sex with your dad and it being true. I think that is what killed her.
Susanna was a horrible person.
Well it’s not exactly that simple.
Why Susanna??? Did you mean Lisa or what?
Did Suzanna lie about having valium???
@@LauraLush0 t fuck? Right?
Obviously it's Lisa...with every inch of Daisy's courage!
I hated Angelina Jolie in this movie so much.
I don't get it. Why would the father put her there knowing she can put him in prison by telling the doctors or doing checkups. Doesn't make sense at all. I don't think Melvin also abused her. Dr. Wick would noticed it and the girls would report him. I believe Daisy could have been abuse by someone else like her father's friends or teachers or her classmates. Her mother was never brought up. So she kept her pure innocent looks for her dad since he was the only parent. It just doesn't add up her father doing that and still doing it after she "recovered". I think they were other men.
I think her father, her abuser, was in love with her, and saw she had mental health issues, that’s why he put her in the hospital. She wouldn’t betray her father because she still loved him even if he abused her, I think the abuse started when Daisy was really young so she just got used to finding coping mechanisms (sh for example) and never telling anyone about it. Plus she was very reserved, getting a private room so she wouldn’t have to talk to anyone. Maybe the hospital was also paid off by her father since they let her out when she was clearly not well.
Who suggested Melvin did that? The book? Never heard that one.
Certian crimes and abuses were often ignored or not talked about in the old days. For example if you were married there was no such thing as "rape". A man could do as he wanted to his spouse the cops wouldent take it seriously, along with other things. Since this movie is set in the 60s that probably added to why this bastard wasent in jail
If he makes them think she's crazy she won't be believed. Most rapists never see a day of jail time.