People find comfort in KYB because the design is sound, and a simple revalve for your conditions will suffice. Contrast that with 10 years of WP suspension that almost always requires major dollars, new internals, sometimes approaching $1K . Due to differences in speed, terrain, and aggressiveness no fork is ever perfect out of the box. KYB just doesn't suffer from all those quirks that sachs and WP have.
Kyle = #1 . I watched others on TH-cam but you are so good , honest person with passion for dirt bikes . You are doing great job..I will just add. That All bikes from the factory are set at around 75kg so if you are out / you need to set it right which involves new springs and re valve your new toy.. I ride mostly technical tracks (2018 ktm 300 exc) here in Aussie land (just new 95kg springs.) but when on holiday in Bosnia (my background) which I try to go every year or 2, I ride 2013 Yamaha yz 250 (2banger guy) mix terrain and the bike is sooo good with factory springs (I miss counterbalance motor on ktm) .. what ever bike you ride adjust your seg. Spring rate and if not happy " re valve " your chocks and you will be much better/confident rider ..
It is true that it's very important how the fork is valved, and Sherco spend time with Technical Touch in Europe doing the valve settings for their production bikes, but... KYB offers more user adjustment room from soft to harsh on their forks than companies like WP. Often a WP fork might suit one type of rider, but not another and that second rider is unable to find an adjustment setting that suits them. With the KYB fork, within reason both riders could be happy without spending lots of extra money on going inside the fork. For 90% of riders who are not racing, I believe it is reasonable to expect that the costliest single part of the bike should be pretty close to correct out of the box.
When this one comes available to win I'm going to need more product options on your website..... I bought too many t-shirts, straps, hoodie etc...... I guess a hat or two would be OK to get.
Kyle I think you speak too much to the few haters who give negative feedback. Speak to the huge majority who support you. We’re here to support you and see your content, not to hear many rebuttals to the haters. I think when you constantly respond to the negativity, it leaves a sour taste in those who do support you. Food for thought. Thanks for the dirt bike content man.
Hi Kyle, Five minutes of your professional opinion certainly has value. What would actually be HELPFUL to everyone watching this would be the actual valving, or shimstacks used in the Sherco, so we might also be able to enjoy that amazing ride. Would you happen to know, or know where we could find, the shimstack configuration used in your KYBs? Thanks!
Not sure what type of riding you do. But closed cartridge forks are known for being harsher on small bumps and rocks they will deflect more than open cartridge forks. Typically you will want closed cartridge for motor-cross racing and track riding. Whereas the open cartridge fork tends to have a plusher feel and deflect less in rocky slower speed trail riding conditions.
So true. The FX worked great in what it was designed for. A WR probably would have been better for the hard enduro stuff. I am biased to the KYB suspension especially Yamaha, they kept the spring fork that has proved more durable than all of the air forks in my large racing circle of riders. I usually get a revalve at the first fluid change. It's worth it. #JDPSuspension
I've got a 2022 Shercp 300SE Factory with closed KYB forks, I hate the feeling! It's harsh, it deflects and wears you out very quickly 😡 Not was i was hoping for.
It seems to me that sherco and gas gas dirt bike pull from their trials bike style of suspension incorporated on it. Meaning plushy. You mentioned on the other video how sherco bike is lighter and flickability. Yamaha tend to inherit from its motocross bike with some tweaks on their enduro version bikes. Beta has their own version of mind set used on their forks even though its KYB . Neither enduro type nor motocross type suspension. Like you said even though its KYB suspension each brand has re valved its suspension to its liking. Having said that those people who have dealt working on various types of suspension before will indicate particular type of suspension is good or bad or just fine. Often times we hear you won't go wrong choosing this type over the other type. Re-valving is one thing but it's the quality of materials they put into that suspension is what counts( durability, reliability and longevity).
I’m stuck on the same thing. I just service them seals and oil and race and it does the job. Just tired of bottoming on hard jumps. Miss my yz125. Tc250 2016
Too true , also a trick i learned is to add or remove oil to change the mid stroke feel , much cheaper option before turning to get forks re-valved ect 🤙🏻
I have the KYB PSF1 fork for motcross....best fork for me and very progressive just what i want. Just watch how many still rides them Tomac, Ferrandis and more. KYB is the best no protest Cheers from Sweden
I agree with what you just sad 100% to many close minded people. Were I live we have a saying, build a good reputation & you can go to sleep ! That means that many people will follow your brand just on the reputation you build when you started & they never pay attention to other brands or that you are no longer doing a good product as you used to do before !
WP has yet to make a fork that can even halfway deal with sharp edge hits!!!! I have some KTMs and a couple of Yamahas. The KYB on the yamaha can slam anything and never deflect. The WP forks will bounce you off the trail
If the only bike you are familiar with is YOUR bike, how do you know if your bike will benefit from a revalve? I recently bought a 2020 KTM 300 XCW and had the dealer respring front and rear for my weight, but I didn’t check the springs he ordered. I’m a trail rider who occasionally goes on an MX track with my son. How can I have assurance that the bike will be more enjoyable and/or manageable after dropping $650 on front and rear revalve?
Same here, i'm pretty happy about the wp aer forks in my 19' husky fc250. Manual said 10 bar recommanded, but I found that to be to stiff for my riding style. 8.2 bar was my sweetspot. The comp & reb adjusters I adjust accordingly to the track i'm riding. I have a small notepad where I keep all my settings sorted 😁
Kyle. My riding buddy is rockn a 2013 with KYB and I was trying to help him do some digging on setting his preload on the forks. I’ve only looked for an hour or so but haven’t found anything. Any help would be appreciated 💪🏼
Hi Kyle, What was your final setting on the Sherco KYB front and rear for single track? The '2020' sherco manual unfortunately only references their Sachs and WP forks.
KYB is definitely the best OEM fork platform - maybe needs a revalve, but revalve is ALL you need. And you are wrong Kyle it is NOT only about valving. Apart from internals technology potential, it is also about quality of tubes and coatings...I had Sachs on Beta 2016 and the tubes were very bad - coating worn out after 20 hrs - creating exposed aluminium spots inside (completely filling new oil with alu dust in only 5 hrs). Chrome was weak as well and after 40 hrs there was a +-3mm play (measured on the axle clamp)...
Most of the "Enduro" bikes are valved for Enduro riding so valving is no the reason, there is a big difference between different brands. Some of the difference are because of the different fork type (Closed cartridge vs Open cartridge \ Spring vs Air) that have engineering advantage which is reflected in the performance. The reason everybody love KYB (99.9%) Including me is because the fork suitable for a wide range of riders, (style and weight) without the need for modifications or re-valve + confidence while riding that not all brand can supply, Why? I do not know. I got 3 set of KYB fork, 1. YZ250F 2018 OEM 2. WR250F 2016 OEM 3. YZ250F 2018 Tuned by Enduro engineering All of the 3 fork are valved and tuned for different terrain, are working much better than any fork I got before (WP, Marzocchi, Sachs).
Hey Kyle, I hope you and your family are well. Oh, IMHO, Cooper Webb and the KTM factory team have the best forks on the planet... WP Xact Pro 52mm, which is NOT available to the public for sale. 😂
Bike manufacturers buy forks from suspension manufacturers to their own specs. A fork/shock vendor will supply a MC manufacturer suspensions that may be completely different to those for another MC manufacturer. This is nothing new!
And KYB is great.. every fork no matter the calving is different and performs different. For example- there is a reason no pro runs a revalved WP on a ktm. Air pressure changes every minute of ride time forks have a sticky sensation etc.. but if you are one of the guys who just cranks the compression as soft as it goes and lugs around trails any fork will work fine revalved for you
People find comfort in KYB because the design is sound, and a simple revalve for your conditions will suffice. Contrast that with 10 years of WP suspension that almost always requires major dollars, new internals, sometimes approaching $1K . Due to differences in speed, terrain, and aggressiveness no fork is ever perfect out of the box. KYB just doesn't suffer from all those quirks that sachs and WP have.
on point!
Yep , its a solid foundation to start tuning .
KYB setup of Yamaha Motocross bikes come setup really nice for tracks!
Brother Kyle's teaching us life lessons with forks. Lol. It what's on the inside.
Yes, who would have thought that the important thing of a fork is the inside. Outstanding lesson. :D
Kyle = #1 . I watched others on TH-cam but you are so good , honest person with passion for dirt bikes . You are doing great job..I will just add. That All bikes from the factory are set at around 75kg so if you are out / you need to set it right which involves new springs and re valve your new toy.. I ride mostly technical tracks (2018 ktm 300 exc) here in Aussie land (just new 95kg springs.) but when on holiday in Bosnia (my background) which I try to go every year or 2, I ride 2013 Yamaha yz 250 (2banger guy) mix terrain and the bike is sooo good with factory springs (I miss counterbalance motor on ktm) .. what ever bike you ride adjust your seg. Spring rate and if not happy " re valve " your chocks and you will be much better/confident rider ..
It is true that it's very important how the fork is valved, and Sherco spend time with Technical Touch in Europe doing the valve settings for their production bikes, but...
KYB offers more user adjustment room from soft to harsh on their forks than companies like WP.
Often a WP fork might suit one type of rider, but not another and that second rider is unable to find an adjustment setting that suits them.
With the KYB fork, within reason both riders could be happy without spending lots of extra money on going inside the fork.
For 90% of riders who are not racing, I believe it is reasonable to expect that the costliest single part of the bike should be pretty close to correct out of the box.
exactly!
Rieju also uses Technical Touch for their bikes
2006 and up KYB suspension for MX is the gold standard
When this one comes available to win I'm going to need more product options on your website..... I bought too many t-shirts, straps, hoodie etc......
I guess a hat or two would be OK to get.
Yes please!!! Id buy some cool garage floor mats, or wall banners/poster with a sick four stroke moment on some single track...
The valving in the gas gas xc250 and 300 is the best valved kyb set up for enduro period. Change my mind. From factory. Crazy plush
I get a lot of deflection on small rocks but my gasgas kyb handles bigger stuff with complete ease and comfort.
Kyle I think you speak too much to the few haters who give negative feedback. Speak to the huge majority who support you. We’re here to support you and see your content, not to hear many rebuttals to the haters. I think when you constantly respond to the negativity, it leaves a sour taste in those who do support you. Food for thought. Thanks for the dirt bike content man.
Hi Kyle, Five minutes of your professional opinion certainly has value. What would actually be HELPFUL to everyone watching this would be the actual valving, or shimstacks used in the Sherco, so we might also be able to enjoy that amazing ride. Would you happen to know, or know where we could find, the shimstack configuration used in your KYBs? Thanks!
Not sure what type of riding you do. But closed cartridge forks are known for being harsher on small bumps and rocks they will deflect more than open cartridge forks. Typically you will want closed cartridge for motor-cross racing and track riding. Whereas the open cartridge fork tends to have a plusher feel and deflect less in rocky slower speed trail riding conditions.
I just told a Riding buddy the same thing before I watched this. Spot on, Kyle!
So true. The FX worked great in what it was designed for. A WR probably would have been better for the hard enduro stuff. I am biased to the KYB suspension especially Yamaha, they kept the spring fork that has proved more durable than all of the air forks in my large racing circle of riders. I usually get a revalve at the first fluid change. It's worth it. #JDPSuspension
I've got a 2022 Shercp 300SE Factory with closed KYB forks, I hate the feeling! It's harsh, it deflects and wears you out very quickly 😡 Not was i was hoping for.
Same here
It seems to me that sherco and gas gas dirt bike pull from their trials bike style of suspension incorporated on it. Meaning plushy. You mentioned on the other video how sherco bike is lighter and flickability. Yamaha tend to inherit from its motocross bike with some tweaks on their enduro version bikes. Beta has their own version of mind set used on their forks even though its KYB . Neither enduro type nor motocross type suspension.
Like you said even though its KYB suspension each brand has re valved its suspension to its liking.
Having said that those people who have dealt working on various types of suspension before will indicate particular type of suspension is good or bad or just fine.
Often times we hear you won't go wrong choosing this type over the other type.
Re-valving is one thing but it's the quality of materials they put into that suspension is what counts( durability, reliability and longevity).
KYB is the gold standard.
My current TM mounts a KYB but a previous one I've owned mounted Ohlins that for my taste / riding style was far superior. Just my experience.
I agree with you on KYB. TM has the best suspension overall if you order one and pay the extra $1000
to come with their own in house made shock😊
Kyle, have you ever done a multi day ride where you brought camping gear into the back country?
very clear and straight forward advice , good job cheers steve/Australia
The two you will get and are totally different is kyb sss and kyb aoss
Air oil separation system
Speed sensitive system
Can someone plz advice me? swapping the fork internals or upgrading the entire fork? its for off road race.
I’m stuck on the same thing. I just service them seals and oil and race and it does the job. Just tired of bottoming on hard jumps. Miss my yz125. Tc250 2016
Too true , also a trick i learned is to add or remove oil to change the mid stroke feel , much cheaper option before turning to get forks re-valved ect 🤙🏻
about 10 +- 10cl?
@@Nikolaj978 10mils + or - , less oil = plusher feel more oil is firmer
I have the KYB PSF1 fork for motcross....best fork for me and very progressive just what i want.
Just watch how many still rides them Tomac, Ferrandis and more.
KYB is the best no protest
Cheers from Sweden
Any thoughts on the 2023 Beta 500 rr-s?
Sherco 2020 KYB is the best we have ridden hands down.
Mine rides like a log wagon but I’m only 150 lbs need softer springs
I agree with what you just sad 100% to many close minded people. Were I live we have a saying, build a good reputation & you can go to sleep ! That means that many people will follow your brand just on the reputation you build when you started & they never pay attention to other brands or that you are no longer doing a good product as you used to do before !
WP has yet to make a fork that can even halfway deal with sharp edge hits!!!! I have some KTMs and a couple of Yamahas. The KYB on the yamaha can slam anything and never deflect. The WP forks will bounce you off the trail
TRUE!
If the only bike you are familiar with is YOUR bike, how do you know if your bike will benefit from a revalve? I recently bought a 2020 KTM 300 XCW and had the dealer respring front and rear for my weight, but I didn’t check the springs he ordered. I’m a trail rider who occasionally goes on an MX track with my son. How can I have assurance that the bike will be more enjoyable and/or manageable after dropping $650 on front and rear revalve?
Factory connection the best suspension period.
I think he is referring to factory suspension. Factory connection is great.
@@jgs1703 Roger at pro motion in Greer S.C. re-valved the forks on my 2018 YZ-250 changed all the shim stack and the bike is spot on ...
No one seemed to care about fork brands in the 1990s. What mattered is how they worked and a revalve was usually required regardless of the brand.
Honestly my WP Xact forks on my 300xc are pretty damn good stock. Dialed in the air pressure and the clickers, boom.
Same here, i'm pretty happy about the wp aer forks in my 19' husky fc250. Manual said 10 bar recommanded, but I found that to be to stiff for my riding style. 8.2 bar was my sweetspot. The comp & reb adjusters I adjust accordingly to the track i'm riding. I have a small notepad where I keep all my settings sorted 😁
Kyle. My riding buddy is rockn a 2013 with KYB and I was trying to help him do some digging on setting his preload on the forks. I’ve only looked for an hour or so but haven’t found anything. Any help would be appreciated 💪🏼
Hi Kyle, What was your final setting on the Sherco KYB front and rear for single track? The '2020' sherco manual unfortunately only references their Sachs and WP forks.
Hey, so uh, how about some DBC blue and highlighter gear in the future? A little more Sherco style would be awesome!
Get cone valves. Best forks i have ever ridden
100%
Hey Kyle it would be interesting if you tried the new Honda 400rx
Ohlins number1
I watched this video just because of Kyle's picture, funny.
KYB is definitely the best OEM fork platform - maybe needs a revalve, but revalve is ALL you need. And you are wrong Kyle it is NOT only about valving. Apart from internals technology potential, it is also about quality of tubes and coatings...I had Sachs on Beta 2016 and the tubes were very bad - coating worn out after 20 hrs - creating exposed aluminium spots inside (completely filling new oil with alu dust in only 5 hrs). Chrome was weak as well and after 40 hrs there was a +-3mm play (measured on the axle clamp)...
Awsome video man, KYB is a great fork and i hope it doesnt let you down on the sherco!
Curious what the FX would’ve been like with the suspension redone.
depends on how it was valved.
Most of the "Enduro" bikes are valved for Enduro riding so valving is no the reason, there is a big difference between different brands.
Some of the difference are because of the different fork type (Closed cartridge vs Open cartridge \ Spring vs Air) that have engineering advantage which is reflected in the performance.
The reason everybody love KYB (99.9%) Including me is because the fork suitable for a wide range of riders, (style and weight) without the need for modifications or re-valve + confidence while riding that not all brand can supply, Why? I do not know.
I got 3 set of KYB fork,
1. YZ250F 2018 OEM
2. WR250F 2016 OEM
3. YZ250F 2018 Tuned by Enduro engineering
All of the 3 fork are valved and tuned for different terrain, are working much better than any fork I got before (WP, Marzocchi, Sachs).
try switching the ktm forks and the sherco forks
People look at things with tunnel vision. You're absolutely correct!
Hey Kyle, I hope you and your family are well. Oh, IMHO, Cooper Webb and the KTM factory team have the best forks on the planet... WP Xact Pro 52mm, which is NOT available to the public for sale. 😂
How do I have a shot @ winning my dream bike I could never afford? Please tell me!
What about ohlins ?
Oliens are the Beat
YES!! The end.
Couldn't agree more. Great vid
How much ?
Had a wr250 could not make it work for me
Hey Kyle , make a u turn KTM VS SHERCO
KYB❤️👍⚙️
É um bocado controverso. Podem ser as melhores suspensões...de origem.
dude I can’t believe you not bought a Kawasaki kx 250 xc yet?
I wish I could afford them!
Bike manufacturers buy forks from suspension manufacturers to their own specs. A fork/shock vendor will supply a MC manufacturer suspensions that may be completely different to those for another MC manufacturer. This is nothing new!
Lots of close minded people out there. I agree with your assessment Kyle
Different manufacturer different setting
Think about how your title is worded. Kyb is a brand. Kyb is not a fork. Is kyb the best fork manufacturer? is a better title.
Comments confirm - people never learn, still comments KYB is great. LOL
And KYB is great.. every fork no matter the calving is different and performs different. For example- there is a reason no pro runs a revalved WP on a ktm. Air pressure changes every minute of ride time forks have a sticky sensation etc.. but if you are one of the guys who just cranks the compression as soft as it goes and lugs around trails any fork will work fine revalved for you
Slapping KYB stickers on the sides of my forks should up the resale value of my bike, at least, $1000.00... Right?
Giveaway tires pleaseeeee
gasgas...kyb....? Historically speaking i guess.
Showa
WP
Rocky Mountain atv is absolutely TERRIBLE 🤮
Sorted out a replacement FMF pipe to me in Abu Dhabi, had nothing but great service from them.
Fx 350?