Tech Talk: Suzuki GSX-R1000 Stock to Brock: "Hey Brock...What About MY Bike?"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- “Hey Brock, love your 2017 GSX-R1000 ‘Gixzilla’ series, but how about doing the same thing to *MY* bike?”
If I had a nickel for every time…
Of course, all machines are “different” in their own way, and these differences are special to us as owners. However, mechanically, every bike we feature starts with a simple concept from German engineer Nikolaus Otto and his patent of the first internal combustion four-stroke engine. We know it as an Otto Cycle - Google it, and you will find mounds of information on the First Law of Thermodynamics and other associated engineering speak (ewww.)
Well, you know how we do it around here; in its purest form we are talking about the 4 cycles of an internal combustion engine: SUCK-SQUEEZE-BANG-BLOW! (intake-compression-power-exhaust,) and if your bike uses gasoline for power (without the need to add oil to the gas,) your engine experiences these 4 cycles, very quickly, the entire time it’s running.
THIS MEANS YOU all of you every pump gas fueled four-stroke engine from your lawnmower to your #stupidfast two-wheeled pride and joy.
Now that we have established that we are all basically the same (barring particular vehicle idiosyncrasies, of course,) please use our past Brock’s Performance video history to search the fine details. We always include a video timeline in the long description for those who prefer a quicker search. This video is designed to help you understand the basics, as well as the end result which is a much faster bike and a very happy owner.
You will only need about a ¼ tub of popcorn for this one - please enjoy: Tech Talk: Suzuki GSX-R1000 Stock to Brock: "Hey Brock...What About MY Bike?"
0:00 - Video Introduction, check engine lights, bike slow, etc…
1:00 - Bypassing the excruciating detail (see our Gixzilla series for more detailed info)
1:15 - What we’re doing to ‘this bike’ applies to all bikes
1:55 - Base run (chart) that got us into this mess (161 hp)
2:30 - Checking 6th gear rear wheel speed on dyno (162 mph)
3:23 - Checking into codes and inspecting the bike
3:40 - Removing airbox to discover filthy OEM air filter
4:05 - Base run (chart) with airbox removed (163hp - larger gain in middle)
4:45 - Identifying code - C28 (Secondary throttle valves)
5:10 - Base run (chart) with code removed (169hp)
5:40 - Inspecting air-fuel ratio of 11.4 to 1 (way too rich)
6:10 - Wynn’s Power Charge fuel system cleanse explanation
6:35 - How did we know what code it was throwing (fancy tools of course…)
7:28 - Mixing the Power Charge with 2 gallons of mystery fuel
8:24 - Endoscope before cleanse w/ Power Charge
8:32 - Why choose Wynn’s over a product from an auto parts store
9:08 - Ride footage working the Power Charge through the system
9:28 - Improved air fuel ratio visible
9:50 - Showing current operation of secondary throttle plates
10:02 - Dyno pull after fuel system cleanse (172hp)
10:45 - 172hp dyno chart review (huge torque gains!)
11:40 - After checking with endoscope we opt for a longer ride for additional cleansing
12:13 - Endoscope after additional cleansing
12:40 - Monitoring throttle plate behavior to confirm changes
12:56 - “I see dust and debris in my airbox, is this normal?”
13:10 - Visible dust shown passed through OEM paper filter
14:17 - Live view of endoscope checking pistons
14:40 - Showing new throttle blade behavior and fuel spray pattern
15:55 - Streamlining the video (skipping to the end) what we changed
16:18 - Mapped using tuning link and ECU fuel map created
16:39 - Where we left of vs. where we ended up chart review
17:30 - Dyno chart using MR12 race fuel (182hp)
17:55 - 182hp nearly comparable to current models
18:19 - “What about MY bike” wrap-up discussion
18:48 - Brock takes a test ride while vlogging the results
20:44 - Customer arrives to pick up his ‘cured’ motorcycle
21:15 - Customer reaction after first ride!
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Love the transparency showing everything from the tuning to cleaning to even the customers reaction definitely showing why to choose brock performance
@Invictus - thank you. We have nothing to hide - so we don't bother with smoke and mirrors. We expect our customers to obtain 100% of the gains we show. All we ask is that they follow our testing guidelines and understand that the only way they will receive complete results is to install the complete S2B package.
@@BrockDavidson you remind me of a car tuner from back in my younger days. It's nice to see honest guys are still out there delivering on their word. Maybe one day, after the warranty runs out, I'll drop off my '18 s1000rr for you to work your magic on. Do you, or anyone you know, do head work on bikes and custom cams to match the new flow characteristics of said head? Just wondering, since i don't see that area covered much in the bike world that i currently reside in.
Nice job 👍 love watching these videos
These are the best videos I've ever came across. Hands on common sense knowledge that's comes across very clear
Thanks for putting these videos out Brock!
Best bike tech talk footage and info hands down. Keep up the good work
Another well put together video and more importantly, another very satisfied customer! Great job Brock.
The customers reaction says it all...!!! Thanks for the videos and all the info
Again with the great Video and the knowledge it provides. Thank you so much!!! Luv this series.
New follower, you explain all your methods very intricately. Awesome content!!
Great videos jam-packed full of tips keep them coming
awesome video Brock!! thanks for posting
very informative,educational videos brock! im hooked!👍👍👍
I love these damn videos. I don't know why but these are the most entertaining and informative videos on youtube. Thank you Brock
@ClutchUpCody - Thanks for the kind words, we enjoy making our content-rich videos also.
Thanks for those videos, so i can understand more from Motorcycles!!
OMG such great videos. Love the endoscope view!!!
Brock you can make 49 min vids and we will watch. 👍🏾
DonJuan19 lol.. I was just thinking that holy s*** I just watched a whole video and I still watching
I cant wait to see you do a build series on the greatest gift from the motorcycle gods...a gen 1, 1157cc, SACS, tappet goodness...
Thanks for all the great vids.
man, your videos rock! Keep on Brocking
his reaction was everything an says it all. great work
The 2005-2016 Gixxers still look so sweet. Great video Brock, excellent work as always!
What an excellent video. Awesome bike too. Brock is the man!
Thx General Brock for that helpful tip .
As great of a series, as good of the content, I'm sad you don't have more subscribers. Keep up the hard and good work!
We don't do clickbait - so the subs we do have are real enthusiasts who truly care about learning.
You are the man Brock that video was amazing.
Brock you're my idol you are totally the motorbike legend of our times and I wanna thank you for your vids. We don't mind how long and how much u make them.
aw shucks... thanks :)
Always great information
damn we need shops like yours in austria , the passion and knowledge is beyond beleave for our standard .
@Hp4 - thank you for the kind words. The Internet and worldwide shipping brings our knowledge and products to you these days.
Your the man Brock love your info videos
Awesome video Brock 👍
I learn so much here, and appreciate the sharing of knowledge anbd experience. I hit 'Like' before the video even starts .. I have a slug of a bike (in comparison) .. Yammi's xj700xn .. think I'd be afraid to have something faster. Hey give me a break, I'm 60.
I’m happy for him!
Great video as always Brock.
i wish i could walk upto you and ask "Hey Brock...What About MY Bike?" :)
You just gained 1 sub congrats love from 650
cool vid mate
Brock love the video and the detail you go into. My question is would you do this process for 600cc bikes like r6s?
Excellent explanation...
Love the videos
I'm in Cleveland but I'm definitely being my 1st sport bike to you my man
Great video!
Nice work Brock!
You sir have a new subscriber!
I can see brentuning learning on this video The Godfather daddy Brock’s performance
man preciate the video it's sad we don't have no bike shops like that in Texas
Lewis Declouette you have the Internet 🏁🏆👍
Or Florida! ACE will do it.
Great advice
Tellement intéressant!
Heureux que vous aimez :)
Howzit Brock, I love your vids! I just had my k5 1000 ecu flashed and dynoed here in South Africa. Only mods are a BMC filter and a yoshi tri-oval slip on. I got 154bhp . Are these decent numbers? Or is there anything I should look at?
In your experience, is there a certain age or mileage when bike start to lose power and would u recommend that everybody dyno's their bike in a certain time period-say once a year or every two years for example?
great video as always
You guy's will be doing my next bike.....for sure
Dr. Brock administering motorcycle colonoscopies!
I would love for Brock's to tweak up my 2011 GSXR 600 it will be a dream for me and my ZX-14. Z x 14 already has a Brock's full exhaust sounds hella good it came with the bike I was blessed with that the Brock's are badass
Amazing work . Great knowledge appreciate it . Will we get an update 2 see if another 600 pass him lol
This bike is beautiful! way way more beautiful than latest 2018 model!
It's the 2015 30th Aniversary Edition - it is truly beautiful.
Brock I'd love to see you guys get a Thruxton R into the dyno room and see what kind of room there is for performance gains on that bike! It's a dream bike of mine to own someday but I feel like being used to the speed of a 1000 it might just not quite cut it for me and I want to know if there's room for improvement or if that bike is pretty much topped out for the most part. I'll stay tuned to hopefully see you roll one in someday.
Off topic here, but curious: I know the 17 GSXR 1000R has a built in electronic steering dampener, but would you recommend putting on an after market damper as well?
Would you a video on a stock yamaha r6 2017 and see how much power it has as stock and how much you can put to it??
thank you so much 👍💕
Brock question I have I 2001gsxr 1000 would you recommend removing the secondary throttle plates.
Foam air filters with oil on them seem to work pretty well on dirt Bikes .. the one Dirt bike had with a K&N you could feel grit in the intake throat ..
I like the blue tooth bore scope! Need to find one myself.
lol. Amazon - I think about $60. It replaced my $500 bore scope that recently broke. I love technology :)
Found them for around $12 without the blue tooth. Amazon here we come! Endoscope is the proper term.
another costumer happy. thank for sharing ;)
good stuff brocks
Thank you 😊
Another great video keep it up
You should do some new clutch videos to show people HP isn’t everything and hooking up and letting the lever go is a huge deal as well
But of coarse HP helps lol
See you in the staging lanes
Busa1811 wolaver lol, funny you should mention...stay tuned 😉
Where do I go to school for something like this? I’m mesmerized by all these videos of yours I’m watching
When was the last time you were in school and didn't even notice because you were having so much fun? 30+ years of motorcycle high-performance racing experience that is not taught in any school... welcome and invite your friends to subscribe :)
Hey Brock, thanks for the jellybeans! 👍
I would love to bring up my 2005 GSXR 1000 from Cincinnati and let you go to town! Only have a little over 8000 Miles on it.
I had to constantly keep that air filter clean. It gets very mucky very quickly, and you can tell that it's dirty if you are used to the bike.
The rich AFR was measured in wich conditions ?
with filter ?
with airbox ?
Rich afr condition was no airbox or air filter. Final results were with P08, stock airbox and stacks - would have made a bit more with the P08 F1-85... but we were out of stock :(
So i can tell you that the AFR was too rich because the lack of air filter airbox stacks etc..
The airflow quality was inferior because of the designed whole intake system was missing parts.
A laminar,clean, airflow is difficult to get with the square edges just above the butterlflies , where are supposed to be the bell mouths / stacks.
Since the bike in not in closed loop it's rich.
Performance begin with cleanliness
I love it!
Looking nice with red brocks t shirt😍😀
brocksperformance.com/brocks-vintage-style-t-shirts/
Brock great video! Actually like this better than the Stock to Brock series. It’s more relatable to my bike. Plus I seen you added a new package to the site based off this bike. Do some mapping for the GSXR 1000 K9. I already have a full system from you and a PCV with your street map but I changed my gearing -1/+1, added BMC Race filter, and added the Haltech TRE box but the bike is as this customer said slow (Dyno SAE 165)!!! I’m at the point where I’m going to get a custom tune for my current setup. Your customer service team said that I shouldn’t but I know the bike has way more power hidden in it! What do you recommend? Thanks!
@Berto - glad you like this series also. Please contact dynoroom@brocksperformance.com we just as easily flash the K9 ecu to these same parameters.
Hey Brock cool video can you elaborate on gear , you stated in the video if the customer want to go faster he had the change the gearing I have the same bike and I bought a set of chain and sprocket with oem gearing
This bike had 'drag' gearing for quicker acceleration for use with the extended swingarm, which works great for drag but limits max top speed. Most of today's bikes are speed limited by the ECU to 186 MPH (300 KPH), what many don't realize is they are also gearing limited to this speed, or slower. This means that to obtain full race performance and top speed - both areas must be addressed. We use a gearing calculator to calculate top speed after the ECU restrictions are disabled. This one works well: www.gearingcommander.com/
Man this was my 1st video of u and I'm impressed. Where are u located, I need u to tune my 2016 gsxr1000 monster in Houston. I'm having an issue with my secondary flaps chattering like they're stripped out when I turn the switch on. I already replaced the secondary tps and I'm still getting a c29 code. Can u help me?
blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/do-i-need-to-physically-bring-my-bike-to-brocks-performance-in-ohio-for-a-performance-tune/
Hello thanks for all your vids I watch them religiously. When you were talking about losing 2 hp on 93 I was very surprised. Is your advice to run 89 or is it just for that bike?
Thanks
blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/how-does-octane-affect-my-bikes-power-and-performance/
At 7:12 the position after faultcode_C28 correction should be in the middle (pos.B-according manuel), but on this video its in the lowest A-position leftside _C00. or _c00 for GSR600-K8. Correct should be -C00 or -c00 instead of this video _C00
Interesting; At 15:31 setting into gear the second throttle valves opening
Hi Brock! ive watched your gsxr tuning series, and i just want to know did you have encountered very lean in some gear at x rpm and x tps and good afr in another gear at same x rpm and x tps? thanks Brock !
Yes, the ECU fueling is adjusted lean in the cruising ranges per gear for cleaner emissions. The tp and rpm will naturally differ per gear at a given speed, etc...
Yes a new vid we need more haha
Glad you like. It's springtime (our Superbowl) in the motorcycle world, we have plenty to do around here - we will keep the vids coming, but expect a bit more of a wait during our busy season.
Brocks is the best in the business hands down
Brock, can you recommend an alternative fuel additive to clean the injectors, valves and combustion chamber? The product you recommended is not available for purchase in The Netherlands.
Kind regards from The Netherlands
Freek: I really can't. The Wynn's Power Charge is the only product we have ever found to work this well.
Clearly the problem with the bike is the spiked bar ends and stretched swing-arm. R.I.P. corners.
Errol Townsend not every rider likes corners... Not everybody likes the same shit and not evey fucking body buys a bike to be a street rossi R.I.P society
Errol Townsend its not for corners jackass. Its his bike not yours
Maybe he's in the drag racing I don't know why anybody's got to talk shit about anybody else's bike if it's not your style watch the video go on about your business you don't like stretch bikes don't own a stretched bike but other than that shut the fuck up and let the guy ride what he wants
Lol, to each his own
bitch comment.
Why is the swingarm so long?
I've been watching your videos for about a month or so, I really like your approach to performance gains. I'm in the market to buy a bike over the winter or in the spring, doesn't really matter new/used with low miles. Is the 2017+ GSXR1000 still your pick for bang for buck or would you suggest some other year/brand/etc.? Thanks!
There are many choices available in the 1000cc class. We have had good luck with the R1, ZX-10R, BMW and Gixxer. So far, we have gone quickest/fastest on the Gixxer and it's the bike to beat from our stable at the moment. As far as bang for buck with a new bike, it's tough to beat IMO. If you are looking at used bikes, the older s1000rr's and ZX-10r's are excellent choices also.
But Brock what of that TPS SENSOR reading when u had the paper clip in is it there a not in the middle for some reason
The TPC can be manually adjusted when in dealer mode (paper clip installed) buy it can also be easily calibrated in the PCV also. This will assure the scale from 0% to 100% Throttle is correct.
Question regarding the 2024 Gsxr 1000R. I'm in traction control setting 5 in A mode and I'm popping wheelies in second, third, and fourth gear, not sure how to control it. Guys I ride with.. we start off with a few smack downs, second gear 65 miles an hour for approximately 10-15 seconds in a straight, just can't figure it out regarding the wheeling.
197HP & Full Brocks Alien 2 Head System
What is the rider weight?
That dyno chewed up his tyre 😝
Do you have any videos with a cbr 954rr with your work on it, or on a dino
@Mike-E - no videos, it was too long ago. But we did have a nitrous 954 that ran mid nines in the 1/4 mile and was bulletproof. I'll bet that bike consumed 1000+ bottles of Nitrous in its life....great bike!
Brock what was used to clean the system (Wynn's) but what product
brocksperformance.com/wynns-power-charge-fuel-system-treatment/
Hi Brock! I'm very impressed from your guides and after watching this video I did some clean up with Wynn's Xtreme Petrol Cleaner and the result was beautiful. Too bad I'm from UK and I can't bring my GSXR L1 1000 to you so you can tune it properly. The some of the previous owners of my bike did something to the secondary throttle valves and I can't fugure out what. They don't have stock oem behaviour like in the service manual, but they behave exactly as these in this video part 14:40. Why they don't make initial check cycle when the ignition key is turned ON? Please can you share what you did to the secondary throttle valves on this bike if it's not a secret because I'm just trying to understand the history of mine and the previous owner can't help me, because he bought the bike like this. One thing I'm woried is that the fast idle, which is controlled by the secondary throttle valves is no longer supported with this function. Is it a problem and should I andjust something?
@Deyan Dimitrov - glad you like our series. If you mean the 2001 GSX-R1000 (K1 here in the US) the bike has minimal restrictions. The secondary blades are left in place for smoother operation, or removed entirely (requires slight fuel remapping). if you do not have a check FI light, your bike should be fine. Please check this FAQ about the need to bring your bike here for tuning: blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/do-i-need-to-physically-bring-my-bike-to-brocks-performance-in-ohio-for-a-performance-tune/
Great video .thanks for the info.i wish I could send you my k1. Where can I get mr12?
vpracingfuels.com/product/mr12/
Seeing 176hp from a stock engine 1000 is impressive.
So what about my bike? Lol
I have an 06 GSXR 750
45,000 miles(geared probably closer to 40,000)
I'm curious as to what would be realistic hp goals for this bike on pump gas? All it has now is a K&N with a slip on. Planning to throw on some 1000 headers for the weight loss and hp gains if it would help...
I had looked into the Sprint filters, but they only offer the old style for my bike and it looks just like my K&N, so IDK if there would be any gains had there or not.
Anyways I plan to get it dyno tuned this summer and I was curious as to what numbers you've seen out of 750s? The most I've seen or heard of with full exhaust is around 128hp.
Anyways thanks again for all the great videos and help with answering all my many questions. If I lived closer I would bring it to you to throw on the dyno.
@WRIGHTRACING - Glad you are enjoying our channel. Be wary of installing a 1000 header on your 750 as the increased hedpipe tube diameter can lead to a serious lack of bottom end and mid range power...something those bikes don't need to lose. If you have a K&N street filter, there is a good chance your OEM paper filter makes more power (not bashing, just speaking from comprehensive testing over the years). 125 HP (SAE scale) is good for those bikes - 140 is possible, but you need to get into the engine. As a smaller engine with higher miles, the first thing we would do is run the Wynn's Power charge through your bike, to clean up the engine deposits, then we would add Alisyn 0w-20 and Petron. Those items alone can make a large performance difference in a 750. The rest would be proper product selection (pipe/performance filter/tune etc...) Best of luck!
@@BrockDavidson good info to know on the air filter and headers.
So I'm assuming that the Sprint street filter is much better even than the K&N as well then? I'm all for comprehensive test results 😁
So when it comes time to hit the dyno, I will definitely do a Wynn power charge clean on the bike before then. I may look into the air filter change next and then when I hit the dyno, hopefully we can test both headers and see what the results show. Also planning to test a few slip ons. When I get the time I definitely want to video it to show the results of the changes that we make and what helps and hurts.
Thanks again for the rapid response. Hopefully we can get this done this year. Lol.
Now its the full squid missile it was meant to be!
Curious about the 89 vs 93 octane comment at the end. Do you have to tune for 93 octane? How about ethanol free fuel? Sure would like to bring in my V-strom for a check.
blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/how-does-octane-affect-my-bikes-power-and-performance/ and blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/do-i-need-to-physically-bring-my-bike-to-brocks-performance-in-ohio-for-a-performance-tune/
Hey brock what 1/4 times do these gsxr of this era run? Bog stock
I ran a 10.5 @ 140mph on my 2013 bog stock
Thanks
Depending upon rider size and skills 8.80's to low 9's at close to 160 MPH - set up correctly. Bone stock high 9's.
When is it recommended to change with the stock spark plug range if at all.
Jason Powell turbocharged and nitrous applications
Great video but how do you know if it needs a valve adjustment or not.
john monti follow the service manual. If the valves are noisy, check the adjustment
mr brock i have a 06 zx14 with USED vance and hines cs1 slip ons ,at moment i couldnt afford nice exhaust of yours which i love the sound but my question is with a 265lb rider would it help much to take stock 17/41 gearing to 16front with stock 41 rear? i also have a map that is for secondary butterflys removed to help with leaning it causes when flys gone.. previous owner placed a 09 zx14 header gutted cats and i placed the vance and hines cs1 mufflers on. im just wondering if the -1 down front helps and should i go more being a heavy rider
@Danger Davefpv - for street riding, dropping one tooth in the front sprocket is a very common and inexpensive way to increase torque and acceleration. For a larger rider, it's usually a welcome change. The only real downfalls is that the speedo will read a faster speed and it can also hamper fuel mileage a bit.
Brock Davidson thanks Mr Brock, I appreciate ur expert advice and will do this very soon
hey brock, iv'e allways ran 91 no ethanol for obvious reasons in my cbr litre bike , did i hear you say 89 gives you more hp ? i don't think i can get it without ethanol, whats your feeling / streets only thanks
@david, check out this FAQ as well as the article: blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/how-does-octane-affect-my-bikes-power-and-performance/
Was that a fire extinguisher or NOS bottle? How come there were no tunes w/ the NOS shot?
The bottle is used to power the air shifter only - not for power addition.
@@BrockDavidson Why get an air shifter for??
Brock, what swingarm is on this bike? I gotta have it, and your tuned ecu of course.
It's a McIntosh swingarm. Unfortunately, they have gone out of business. Try DME Racing.
Hey Brock just quick question can bike be tuned without pcv just bolt on full exhaust k&n pannel filter and remapp it
Jimmy Kovacevic you can tune a bike without pcv...you can remap the stock ecu
Papa Brock!