The shifting issue is being addressed by Pilot. Shifting will be electronic & embedded into brake handles (no more rotational shifter), coming end of Q1 2024. With this, my only worry is resolved, I am on the waiting list for this cream of the crop bike.
Hello and thank you for an amazing reviews on some pinion bikes. I understand how much resources & effort it takes, but it would be definitely very much helpful if you would review a new option with smart shift on dropbars. We would appreciate that very much. Thanks again, have a great day:)
Great review, thnx! I m thinking about buying this pinion version. I make rides between the 40-70 km pro ride, several days a week, mostly on common ways, sometimes in the woods or gravel. For me it is perhaps an alternative for the Pilot Veturi, their comfort/endurance bike or the J. Guillem Atalya.
Hallo Bas, Goed om te zien dat je de SCRAM overweegt! Als je eens zou willen testen, of gewoon meer informatie wilt, kan je ons bereiken op info@pilotcycles.com.
@@Pilot-Cycles-Sales ha sander, afgelopen maand bij jullie (Tim) geweest, heerlijke proefrit gemaakt. Twee weken geleden de fiets definitief besteld. Over ongeveer drie weken wordt ie geleverd door jullie nieuwe dealer in Gorssel. Kijk er giga naar uit.
What is the weight of this very unique bike? Do you think you would like to ride this bike on the road if the spacing between the higher gears were closer together and shifter was more comfortable?
The shifter is seen in this video would be a dealbreaker for me for sure. Any idea if Pinion is developing a proper dropbar shifter? Or another component maker perhaps?
Check out effigear…same bolt pattern as pinion but you don’t have to back off the watts between gears 3-4 and 9-10 (if I remember correctly) and electric shifting
Credit to you for starting with the prices. The pricing is typical of the cycling industry.. shocking! Yes, they are Titanium, and yes, Titanium is difficult to work with..these are priced for the uber wealthy and uber stupid. Normal, sensible cyclists are not welcomed here. As per normal these days, plenty of hype and marketing to try to justify the ridiculous pricing. I don't even care how it rides, how it looks etc. Boring YT content on new unobtainable, over-hyped and over-priced cycling products.
From Oz … yes, a lovely bike and I would buy one BUT THE SHIFTER, definitely a deal breaker and the Cinq shifters are not much of an improvement because of impact on packing bags etc onto the bars. Sorry, Pilot and Pinion, better solutions are needed.
Throw away that Gates belt and get a chain. You will be much faster (about 2 km/h) and cycle further. That's 20 km difference per day on a longer trip. Ant that shifter is a monstrosity.
Pinion has larger jumps between the gears than the derailleur system, thus being a lot harder on your knees and you cannot change gear when powering up steep hills without stopping the pedalling, which makes it only really usable for bikepacking or commuting. Shame about the shifter, on such an expensive bike.
Not really, the Pinion system has 12 (or 18) equally spaced gears. In the easiest two, you notice the steps, but you almost never use those. Not being able to shift under power does indeed suck...
That's pretty bad thinking tho. The total gear range of a C.12 or P.18 gearbox is almost two times larger than that of a 10-32 cassette... I'm mostly a mountainbike rider who is used to a 10-50 cassette, I didn't find the steps in between gears noticeable. Ask a triathlon rider, and they'll probably hate it though...
@@UnicornBikes yeah I ride a lot of road and some hills and find it pretty hard on the knees on higher road speeds (25+km/h). The higher jumps in gearing compared to a road cassette are really what kills it for me on the road. And the hills I ride are pretty steep so I need the shifting when powering up the hill. But most of the riders will be happy with the low maintenance and durability itself. I heard some people had issues with the forged cranks and had to replace those with CNC ones though.
@pero: I bought Pilot a MTB with a Pinion C1.12 gearbox. I actually expected the jump in gear spacing to be an issue as well. Now that I’ve got a few thousand km with that gearbox I hardly notice that the gear spacing is larger (than on my regular MTB). I’d suggest you have a test ride, the gearbox is a lot better than I initially thought, especially now it’s worn in. I find myself always reaching for the Pinion bike as opposed to the SRAM bike.
@@vigenrshtuni6804 Indeed. It's all that pure Greek honey, they've been producing since at the very least the bronze age Minoans circa 3000 BCE to about 1100 BCE
Shifter problem is definitely not nitpick, it’s a dealbreaker.
The shifting issue is being addressed by Pilot. Shifting will be electronic & embedded into brake handles (no more rotational shifter), coming end of Q1 2024. With this, my only worry is resolved, I am on the waiting list for this cream of the crop bike.
@@pavel5515 Yep it's available now, hope I can test ride this somewhere in the US, it's a steep price to buy it completely Ti and Carbon rims
Hello and thank you for an amazing reviews on some pinion bikes. I understand how much resources & effort it takes, but it would be definitely very much helpful if you would review a new option with smart shift on dropbars. We would appreciate that very much. Thanks again, have a great day:)
Laurens, great review! One of your best as of yet, looking forward to what you have in store for the future!
Great review, thnx! I m thinking about buying this pinion version. I make rides between the 40-70 km pro ride, several days a week, mostly on common ways, sometimes in the woods or gravel. For me it is perhaps an alternative for the Pilot Veturi, their comfort/endurance bike or the J. Guillem Atalya.
Hallo Bas, Goed om te zien dat je de SCRAM overweegt! Als je eens zou willen testen, of gewoon meer informatie wilt, kan je ons bereiken op info@pilotcycles.com.
@@Pilot-Cycles-Sales ha sander, afgelopen maand bij jullie (Tim) geweest, heerlijke proefrit gemaakt. Twee weken geleden de fiets definitief besteld. Over ongeveer drie weken wordt ie geleverd door jullie nieuwe dealer in Gorssel. Kijk er giga naar uit.
Can you please review a bike with Cinq Shift:R for Pinion. I am looking a buying a bike with them soon.
Well I don't own a pinion bike, and Cinq hadn't shipped units at the time of filming this video so probably not..
What is the weight of this very unique bike? Do you think you would like to ride this bike on the road if the spacing between the higher gears were closer together and shifter was more comfortable?
The shifter is seen in this video would be a dealbreaker for me for sure. Any idea if Pinion is developing a proper dropbar shifter? Or another component maker perhaps?
Check out effigear…same bolt pattern as pinion but you don’t have to back off the watts between gears 3-4 and 9-10 (if I remember correctly) and electric shifting
I just saw the new version with electronic shifting. There may be a new video soon-ish
It's 2024; did they integrate Pinion Smart.Shift with this bike? How does it compare to other similar bikes like Priority Gemini?
Credit to you for starting with the prices.
The pricing is typical of the cycling industry.. shocking!
Yes, they are Titanium, and yes, Titanium is difficult to work with..these are priced for the uber wealthy and uber stupid. Normal, sensible cyclists are not welcomed here.
As per normal these days, plenty of hype and marketing to try to justify the ridiculous pricing.
I don't even care how it rides, how it looks etc.
Boring YT content on new unobtainable, over-hyped and over-priced cycling products.
The only thing missing is suspension. Don't tell me the carbon fiber fork is the suspension
The titanium frame, and the carbon fork, are the “suspension”
is it softer to climb compared to sram eagle 50t or even the latest 52t with 30t chainring?
A 10-52t cassette has a 520 % gear range. Pinion's 12 speed gearboxes have a 600 % range. Their 18 speed gearbox has a 636 % range.
From Oz … yes, a lovely bike and I would buy one BUT THE SHIFTER, definitely a deal breaker and the Cinq shifters are not much of an improvement because of impact on packing bags etc onto the bars. Sorry, Pilot and Pinion, better solutions are needed.
Throw away that Gates belt and get a chain. You will be much faster (about 2 km/h) and cycle further. That's 20 km difference per day on a longer trip. Ant that shifter is a monstrosity.
Shifter of pinion and rohloff is a shame. Fantastic gearbox but obsolete shifter and arrogance to change
Currently 5900 EUR on their website no thanks I'll buy a car instead lmao!
Pinion has larger jumps between the gears than the derailleur system, thus being a lot harder on your knees and you cannot change gear when powering up steep hills without stopping the pedalling, which makes it only really usable for bikepacking or commuting. Shame about the shifter, on such an expensive bike.
Not really, the Pinion system has 12 (or 18) equally spaced gears. In the easiest two, you notice the steps, but you almost never use those. Not being able to shift under power does indeed suck...
@@UnicornBikes the difference is 17% between gears here and in an derailleur 6% in higher gears and 14% in lower.
That's pretty bad thinking tho. The total gear range of a C.12 or P.18 gearbox is almost two times larger than that of a 10-32 cassette... I'm mostly a mountainbike rider who is used to a 10-50 cassette, I didn't find the steps in between gears noticeable. Ask a triathlon rider, and they'll probably hate it though...
@@UnicornBikes yeah I ride a lot of road and some hills and find it pretty hard on the knees on higher road speeds (25+km/h). The higher jumps in gearing compared to a road cassette are really what kills it for me on the road. And the hills I ride are pretty steep so I need the shifting when powering up the hill. But most of the riders will be happy with the low maintenance and durability itself. I heard some people had issues with the forged cranks and had to replace those with CNC ones though.
@pero: I bought Pilot a MTB with a Pinion C1.12 gearbox. I actually expected the jump in gear spacing to be an issue as well. Now that I’ve got a few thousand km with that gearbox I hardly notice that the gear spacing is larger (than on my regular MTB). I’d suggest you have a test ride, the gearbox is a lot better than I initially thought, especially now it’s worn in. I find myself always reaching for the Pinion bike as opposed to the SRAM bike.
Who's gonna pay €4000 or €5000 for a bike?!
Me
@@Caedo01 The fact that 11 months after posting the coment only you posted a positive answer speaks for itself.
Me, Snowdon Paradox with XX1 Eagle and Force crankset, custom built at Enigma, just seen the vid
@@brianjones2118 Yeah, but you're OLD!
@@vigenrshtuni6804 Indeed. It's all that pure Greek honey, they've been producing since at the very least the bronze age Minoans circa 3000 BCE to about 1100 BCE