Nice video! I think the R1T will still charge faster in the 15-80% since in this test you started at 0% - the rivian struggled with massive thermal derating since you started at 0% and with a 15% starting SoC it would hold over 200kW deeper into the pack causing it to charge significantly quicker than Lightning. Looks like a test we have to do!
Thanks Tom for this amazing data dive and illustrating so much information! The comparison and myth-busting between Lightning and R1T was particularly interesting. Looking forward to more charging videos and maybe some revisits of previous EVs with this new format!
Thanks Tom, great video!! I love the state of charge per min graph. I’d love to see that more for different vehicles because it really gives consumers/drivers better view of why you get your most mileage at lower state of charge. Thanks again, learn so much from the info you share 😀
HI TOM!! ALEX SENT ME, SO I'VE SUBSCRIBED!! THE RIVIAN R-1T IS REALLY AN INCREDIBLE TRUCK!! IT'S SEEMS WELL MADE, IT'S LUXURIOUS FOR A PICKUP TRUCK ( or sorry!! Adventure Vehicle!! ) IT'S INCREDIBLY FAST AND POWERFULL, NOT JUST FOR A TRUCK, BUT FOR ANYTHING ON FOUR WHEELS!! ( oh, I forgot!! an F-22 has four wheels, I think?? ) ALMOST ANYTHING ON FOUR WHEELS!! AND ITS EXTREMELY OFFROAD CAPABLE!! AND, IT HAS INNOVATIVE, USER-FRIENDLY FEATURES THAT NO OTHER PICKUP IN HISTORY EVER HAD!! AND THIS FROM A STARTUP COMPANY THAT NOT ONLY NEVER BUILT A TRUCK BEFORE, WHETHER IT WAS ELECTRIC, GAS, OR DIESEL ( or even steam!! ) POWERED, BUT NEVER BUILT NUTHIN BEFORE!! SO IT SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH "PRODUCTION HELL"!! MY FEW DISLIKES ARE VERY MINOR : 1) THE FRUNK IS NICE, BUT THE LIFTOVER HEIGHT IS "HERNIA INDUCING". 2) THE CHARGE PLUG IS TOO LOW ( especially compared to the Lightning's plug!! ) 3) I THINK THE DOOR HANDLES WOULD FALL MORE NATURALLY INTO YOUR HAND IF THEY POPPED-OPEN IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION!! THANK YOU TOM, BE SEEING YOU LATER, AND REMEMBER TO STAY FULLY?? OPPS!! SORRY!! CHAS ORVIS, PLAINVILLE, CT.
Terrific and thorough - as always! It’s a tough sell to make a video of a display screen and an EV charging. Not much better than watching paint dry. But your videos do move along and your commentary helps. So kudos to you! I wish there was more emphasis on real world charging, say that 10% or 20% to 80%. You know, the actual range the vast majority of EV drivers do. I certainly don’t drain my Model 3 SR+ to 0% and sit and charge it to 100%! I know why you do that, and appreciate that you include info on that 10%-80% or so charging. But maybe some videos on real world charging scenarios. How to maximize your charging session. How to precondition your EV’s battery. How to set up TOS sessions for at home charging. Public EV charging etiquette. How to get yourself out of a jam (ex: miles from the charging station and not sure you’ve got enough juice to get there). Those sorts of topics. Still dealing with your forte, charging, but expanding it beyond charts, graphs… Keep up the great work, Tom!
Another informative video Tom. Looking forward to my Lightning with a 6/13 build date that will replace a 2016 Sonata Plug-in. Owning the Sonata made us believe that EV was the only way to go.
Tom, so glad you provide some charging guidance in every video. New EV buyers get confused or even scared off from buying an EV by long 0-100% charging times often reported in the media. EV owners (who aren't filming a review) are unlikely to ever charge 0-100% ever in the life of the vehicle. People who travel long distances in an EV usually only put in enough to make it to the next charger, plus a small safety margin. That's the fastest way to travel.
Tom, great job as always. Your 15-80% SoC is very useful because typically we start charging at 15% and stop at 80%. Previously, many of your charging tests provided time to add 100, 200, & 300 miles of range. Can you resume providing that valuable info? Guess I fall into that “data-geek” category.
Going from 0% to full is about adding 314 miles with All season in conserve mode. In a comparable ICE truck adding 314 miles with mpg of 13, it would cost around $115 with gas being $4.80 per gallon. $46 vs $115. The cost is time of course spent at the charger. If you time your charge right though, you can start at lunch time and use that wait while eating. I did that on a recent trip and charged while eating some lunch take out.
It seams that the best places to open large charging stations with many charging pumps would be close to restaurants, physical fitness clubs and libraries as it’s still going to take a bit of time so far. I’d be in for it as I like to do all of those things.
Great video as always, Tom. Makes me even more excited to take delivery of my Lightning. You and I have identical specs and both had build dates of last week. I’m chomping at the bit.
Great video and information Tom. One suggestion. You mention on your tables "connected to Electrify America 350KW charger". You may want to consider elaborating on that because EA uses different vendors for it's chargers. So it would be nice to know if it's a Signet or ABB charger and what the maximum peak amperage output of the station is. This is going to be really important for a lot of new CCS vehicles that peak out at 500A.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney fyi I think you revealed the results when you showed the amount of power added - miles traveled was visible at the top! I’m sure there’s not a huge betting pool depending on the 70 mph range test results, but if you wanted to build suspense… Thanks for more great content - appreciate everything you do for EVs.
So, you only got 253 out of large pack at 70 mph? About 20% less than stated? 2.03 miles/kWh is pretty poor and North Jersey is flat. Excellent video as always. 0:45 08:08 Tom did you notice mountain profile over left shoulder on the monitor looks similar to charging curve of the Rivian . Fast at first and slowly ramps down.
Here is some real world Rivian R1T data from a recent trip 4 day trip - Northern Virginia to Burlington Vermont and back. I charged to 100% at home before leaving. I did see 200+ rates above 40% so I expect the test Tom did was thermal limited. Of course the rate was highly dependent on the stations. The EA charger in PA charged by time rather than kWh which is great for a huge battery Rivian. Vermont being early proponents of electric vehicles has older infrastructure. No really fast chargers. I had to search hard to find the one that maxed out at 75kW behind the Homewood Suites. On a previous trip I had a hotel with a level 2 charger which is key for efficient road trips. This trip unfortunately I was not able to get a hotel with a level 2 charger. Pretty consistent 75 - 80 minutes of charge time for the 544 mile trip. I did over 1200 miles total on this adventure. From To Minutes kW Added Avg Rate Peak Cost Notes 36% 71% 20 54 162 kW/h 212 $ 4.93 EA Allentown (350 kW charger) 56% 83% 21 38 108 173 $11.47 EA Pompton Lakes NJ (150kW charger) 21% 77% 33 76 138 150 $28.75 Evolve NY Ganesvoort NY (350 kW charger) 46% 80% 37 45 74 75 $15.90 SunCommon (ChargePoint) Burlington Vt. (125kW shared) 33% 75% 55 57 62 75 $19.77 SunCommon (ChargePoint) Burlington Vt. (125kW shared) 19% 73% 33 77 150 150 $25.44 EA ALbany NY (6 of 8 stations occupied) (350 kW charger) 28% 72% 26 66 151 170 $21.48 EA Pompton Lakes NJ (150kW charger) 42% 78% 23 54 140 212 $ 5.63 EA Allentown (350 kW charger)
I wired in my Clipper Creek for my Bolt. I am confident I can also do the larger one for the Rivian. In fact, I may put in dedicated solar just for charging utilizing batteries too. For trips, I'd use EA!
There are people that are capable of doing their own home installations. However, I will continue to recommend that people don't do it themselves. There are codes that many people don't know, like EV charging equipment that are utilizing a plug (14-50, 6-50, etc..) is required to use a GFCI breaker. Also, I don' think most people usually clamp don't the wires as tightly as they really should, and over time there's the chance that the tires can come loose and arc. I've seen people use the wrong wire gauge and very cheap outlets that end up melting. IMO, it's just not worth the risk for most people. :)
Great video Tom! Rivian needs to fix their derating issues. This curve is slower than what they have long advertised (140miles/20 minutes), and suggests they aren't managing the temperatures very well, just as Kyle noted. This curve is disappointing as an owner for a "halo" vehicle from an EV dedicated company.
In addition to the charge curve, I’d be more worried about the 253 mile total range Tom got out of large pack and the paltry 2.03 average mile/kWh . Tom doesn’t exactly drive like a speed demon either, so that 20% less than rated range is disappointing as well. No way, no how is the even larger pack next year getting 400 miles unless it’s a 200 kWh pack.
Always great information. I would be really interesting what the 15 to 80 times are on all the vehicles and more importantly what that time turns in to for miles? Since these two are so close, I don't remember what their watt hour per miles is, does one of them have the edge in miles gained in the ~40 minutes?
Why can't it hold the initial high rate of charge through 50% SOC? Been waiting 2 years for a R1T, probably have to wait another year still. Looks like my hilly, hot 220mi round trip to the airport will be no waiting however...
As Kyle explained, the vehicle will lower in the charging rate once it hits a thermal limit. It's "capable" I'm holding the higher charging rate for longer, but most people are not going to actually see that too often in the real world.
Thnx Tom,, For great review video of R1T charging data. Cn u pls check or compare the power delivered by EA and power received by the R1T display per stage next time.
Sure, but it's nearly perfectly in sync. The R1T sometimes shows 1kW less at high charging rates, but there's not really any difference to make something out of, IMO.
Great video. The Rivian is a beast in general. Unfortunately I can’t afford it or the Lightning nor fit them in my garage 😟 However I have a @Fiskerinc Ocean Ultra on reserve.😎 Will you be doing a SOC review on the Ocean?
Tom, considering the purchase price, might you have any engineering clues as to why the cooling system can’t keep up with heat generation of the pack and/or power electronics/ conductors?
Rivian wants Zou to charge to 70% ar 80 max to save battery. It gives us 250 miles usable range / 400 km. Question - charging at home to 95% for example hurts battery?
Yes, you can do that if you want to. Typically you won't be there for an hour, though, usually 35 to 45 minutes is all you stay. But these charging stations are quite often in sparkling lots of places where you can eat, so you go in and grab a quick bite while it's charging.
125 KWh/Hr average charging sounds great until you calculate out the miles per hour of charge that it is adding. With an abysmal 2.0 miles/KWh and it’s gigantic 125 KWh battery this thing is not going to make for speedy road trips.
Hey Tom you stated for the last 1/3 charge you get 1 mile per min and that is slower than what you add back from a simple 120v household outlet??? I believe your math is way off. You only get 2-3 miles per hour back from120 volt outlet. At least that is what I get.
Yes, that was incorrect. - I do make mistakes from time to time :) Once the video is posted I really can't correct it without deleting it and introducing it as a new video.
Charging in public will always be more expensive than charging at home where most people charge. It cost me about $19.50 to fully charge the R1T at home which is good for about 300 miles. So I can drive a big, heavy pickup truck for less than half the cost you pay for a small sedan.
I just want to point out that fast charging this is more expensive than gas. When gas prices come down this will be even more painful. Electrify America is a ripoff. It's like three times the retail energy rate.
A few problems I have with this electric truck thing.... it took an hour and 35 mins to fill the truck up and it cost 46.28 I have a Toyota tundra I can fill it up in about 4 mins and it cost me about 70 bucks.... in today's price. I get about 300 miles to a tank so it's very comparable. The rivian costs about 65k to 80k. My used tundra costs 20k... I think I'll stick with gas for now.
Well it cost 46 to fully charge, takes about a little over an hr and get about 314 miles. Mean while my Honda take 66 to go 500 miles and take maybe 5 minutes to fill up. 🤔🤔🤔
Great review, points out the ridiculous charging time, lets get the time down to fueling from a diesel pump to really replace a dino powered truck. I, during my work day would not be paid to sit for a hour and a half! 15 mins sure, maybe even a 30 min lunch break, but a hour and half? Get real.
Hmmmm, I would have expected it to hit 80% before Ford's F-150. In Kyle's OutOfSpec videos, he mentioned an amperage limit on some of the DC fast chargers that affect the Rivian's charging performance. Is it possible you were using one of those limited units?
No, it wasn't the charging station. The vehicle was thermal throttling. We hit over 200 kW so the station was indeed delivering 500-amps as its rated. Most of the stations on EA that I use can deliver the full 500-amps.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney yup, you're absolutely correct. Wasn't doing the math in my head when you mentioned the 200 kw+ rate, but yup, that would be 500 amps. Good work on the video!
I would charge Rivian to 50% to get around 160 miles of range, then continue driving. No need to wait until 59% to get 185 miles. Of course this way need to stop more often, but shorter stops.
What surprises me is that the cost for electricity on these cars is still kind of expensive. I thought charging one of these ev cars would be like $10 or $15 for a full charge.
Good review Tom. Very interesting to see 'real world' charging. Everyone would like to utilize a level 3... but they are few and far between, right now. What I noticed was that loading my ICE F150 (est 20mpg) for 300 miles isn't that much more expensive. And takes significant less time. Am I correct?
@@4literv6... well, the Rivians estimated range is 300 miles on a full charge and Tom's charger is showing more than $40. Your figures are incorrect, just say'n.
@@robertrobertson5120 $46 For 300 miles in the r1t at an expensive public dcfc, vs about $70 for your truck to get 15 gallons of regular at the nat average of $4.60 For gas assuming your 20mpg figure is accurate. As an owner of a 2019 f-150 I highly doubt it is. Which means your ice truck costs you 50% more per mile in just fuel costs. There I did the math all for you. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 ... wish the cost per gallon of petrol was still at pre-Brandon prices. That would be another story! What if a non "expensive public dcfc" was used? It's a waste of time to wait hours to get charged while on a trip. Doubt away dude, I even get better than 20 mpg at times. I do appreciate Tom and his presentation... plus, I canceled my Lightning due to the lack of level 2/3 chargers in my area.
@@robertrobertson5120 got it so you speak as someone with ZERO ev truck experience. Hope the person who gets what could've been your lightning enjoys the heck out of what's likely to be the best truck Ford's yet made. 👍🏻
Ok wait. My ra4 hybrid gets 40 mpg. So with 6 gallons at 6$ per gallon I get 240mpg for 36$ in 5 mins. My rav4 cost 40k loaded. And I can go 500miles on a full tank. I know it’s a truck vr compact suv but. Home charging is very very important. Ps but I’m still getting that ford lightning.
Many people don't realize that you don't always need expensive charging stations at home. Most new EV's come with very long charging cables that will plug into a standard 120V outlet or with included adapter, a 240V outlet (a typical home's electric dryer or electric oven outlets). The electric dryer outlet is limited to 30 amps (up to 7.2kW) and is good for Nissan Leaf. The electric oven outlet will usually provide at least 40 amps ( up to 9.6kW). If you don't have these or don't want to unplug your appliances to charge your vehicle then for less than $100 you can install a 240v Smart Splitter by NeoCharge that simply plugs into an existing 240V outlet to create two outlets from one. You can also have an electrician install a NEMA 14-50 outlet in your garage. I was charged only $300 to have this done. Keep in mind that many utilities offer Off-Peak charging rates for use electricity at night which can be substantially less than the national average of $0.14/kWh. If your utility offers this it's possible to fully charge a Rivian for roughly $10.
13:43 Can you clarify your statement about it charging slower than a 120v outlet? Did you mean the last 1/3 was slower than 120v? That doesn’t sound possible. Isn’t a 120v outlet charging at something like 1-2 miles per HOUR with this vehicle? The DC charger was still charging at 1 mile per MINUTE for the last 3rd of the charging session.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney no problem. You do such a great job and are so thorough with everything. Keep up the great work. We all really appreciate it.
You should qualify that 48 amps is needed for the fastest rate, but it isn't limited to only 48 amps and you can go lower (albeit at a charging time cost). There's a strategy among anti-EV trolls to tell people that Tesla's can ONLY CHARGE at one rate and nothing else, forcing you to entirely redo your house electrical service. It's easy for them to take your statement on 48 amps and use it out of context to misconstrue home charging.
48 minutes is still too long. Once electric cars/trucks can accept 350kw for the majority of the charge time, that is when I feel like they will be usable for long road-trips.
Yeah, ay 2005 gas prices, not today. In any event, you don't pay this amount often, just on road trips. This costs me $20 to fully charge at home. I can go 300 miles on $20.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Even so, what is the economic benefit of spending $85k on this vehicle, $30 to charge while waiting 40 minutes and then not even getting a full battery for true full range?
Nice video! I think the R1T will still charge faster in the 15-80% since in this test you started at 0% - the rivian struggled with massive thermal derating since you started at 0% and with a 15% starting SoC it would hold over 200kW deeper into the pack causing it to charge significantly quicker than Lightning. Looks like a test we have to do!
Love these videos Tom, well done as always! - J
Thanks, Jon.
Right you are Tom. Charge Curve is key. Not peak.
Good video, I just got my R1T last week. Will be doing more charging soon. I participated in Plug in America in NJ yesterday people loved R1T.
Thanks Tom for this amazing data dive and illustrating so much information! The comparison and myth-busting between Lightning and R1T was particularly interesting. Looking forward to more charging videos and maybe some revisits of previous EVs with this new format!
The situation does change if you do 5-70% though.
Just caught you on Alex's channel and he recommended I sign up with you. Looks good so far.
Thanks Tom, great video!! I love the state of charge per min graph. I’d love to see that more for different vehicles because it really gives consumers/drivers better view of why you get your most mileage at lower state of charge. Thanks again, learn so much from the info you share 😀
Great data/analysis as always Tom!
Thanks Tom for this video! I've been waiting for your Rivian charging curve analysis. Always love watching your videos!
Great video Tom, I’m looking forward to the F-150 real charge analysis as well!
HI TOM!! ALEX SENT ME, SO I'VE SUBSCRIBED!! THE RIVIAN R-1T IS REALLY AN INCREDIBLE TRUCK!! IT'S SEEMS WELL MADE, IT'S LUXURIOUS FOR A PICKUP TRUCK ( or sorry!! Adventure Vehicle!! ) IT'S INCREDIBLY FAST AND POWERFULL, NOT JUST FOR A TRUCK, BUT FOR ANYTHING ON FOUR WHEELS!! ( oh, I forgot!! an F-22 has four wheels, I think?? ) ALMOST ANYTHING ON FOUR WHEELS!! AND ITS EXTREMELY OFFROAD CAPABLE!!
AND, IT HAS INNOVATIVE, USER-FRIENDLY FEATURES THAT NO OTHER PICKUP IN HISTORY EVER HAD!! AND THIS FROM A STARTUP COMPANY THAT NOT ONLY NEVER BUILT A TRUCK BEFORE, WHETHER IT WAS ELECTRIC, GAS, OR DIESEL ( or even steam!! ) POWERED, BUT NEVER BUILT NUTHIN BEFORE!! SO IT SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH "PRODUCTION HELL"!! MY FEW DISLIKES ARE VERY MINOR : 1) THE FRUNK IS NICE, BUT THE LIFTOVER HEIGHT IS "HERNIA INDUCING". 2) THE CHARGE PLUG IS TOO LOW ( especially compared to the Lightning's plug!! ) 3) I THINK THE DOOR HANDLES WOULD FALL MORE NATURALLY INTO YOUR HAND IF THEY POPPED-OPEN IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION!! THANK YOU TOM, BE SEEING YOU LATER, AND REMEMBER TO STAY FULLY?? OPPS!! SORRY!! CHAS ORVIS, PLAINVILLE, CT.
Terrific and thorough - as always! It’s a tough sell to make a video of a display screen and an EV charging. Not much better than watching paint dry. But your videos do move along and your commentary helps. So kudos to you!
I wish there was more emphasis on real world charging, say that 10% or 20% to 80%. You know, the actual range the vast majority of EV drivers do. I certainly don’t drain my Model 3 SR+ to 0% and sit and charge it to 100%! I know why you do that, and appreciate that you include info on that 10%-80% or so charging.
But maybe some videos on real world charging scenarios. How to maximize your charging session. How to precondition your EV’s battery. How to set up TOS sessions for at home charging. Public EV charging etiquette. How to get yourself out of a jam (ex: miles from the charging station and not sure you’ve got enough juice to get there). Those sorts of topics. Still dealing with your forte, charging, but expanding it beyond charts, graphs…
Keep up the great work, Tom!
Great suggestions. I'd like to see those topics addressed as well.
Another informative video Tom. Looking forward to my Lightning with a 6/13 build date that will replace a 2016 Sonata Plug-in. Owning the Sonata made us believe that EV was the only way to go.
Tom, so glad you provide some charging guidance in every video. New EV buyers get confused or even scared off from buying an EV by long 0-100% charging times often reported in the media. EV owners (who aren't filming a review) are unlikely to ever charge 0-100% ever in the life of the vehicle. People who travel long distances in an EV usually only put in enough to make it to the next charger, plus a small safety margin. That's the fastest way to travel.
Tom with the best ev info online!
Tom, great job as always. Your 15-80% SoC is very useful because typically we start charging at 15% and stop at 80%. Previously, many of your charging tests provided time to add 100, 200, & 300 miles of range. Can you resume providing that valuable info? Guess I fall into that “data-geek” category.
Going from 0% to full is about adding 314 miles with All season in conserve mode. In a comparable ICE truck adding 314 miles with mpg of 13, it would cost around $115 with gas being $4.80 per gallon. $46 vs $115. The cost is time of course spent at the charger. If you time your charge right though, you can start at lunch time and use that wait while eating. I did that on a recent trip and charged while eating some lunch take out.
It seams that the best places to open large charging stations with many charging pumps would be close to restaurants, physical fitness clubs and libraries as it’s still going to take a bit of time so far. I’d be in for it as I like to do all of those things.
Great video as always, Tom. Makes me even more excited to take delivery of my Lightning. You and I have identical specs and both had build dates of last week. I’m chomping at the bit.
Super helpful. I’m about 4 weeks away from my R1T
Great stuff as usual, Tom!
Great video and information Tom. One suggestion. You mention on your tables "connected to Electrify America 350KW charger". You may want to consider elaborating on that because EA uses different vendors for it's chargers. So it would be nice to know if it's a Signet or ABB charger and what the maximum peak amperage output of the station is. This is going to be really important for a lot of new CCS vehicles that peak out at 500A.
Awesome info as always. Can't wait for you to get your Lightning! I'm a 4/22 blend data myself.. hoping for delivery any day.
excellent breakdown of time vs miles
Excellent analysis, Tom!
More R1T content coming from your time with the truck? And what did you think of Limestone?
The Limestone looked great, I got lots of compliments. I'll have to 70-mph range test up on InsideEVs next week.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney fyi I think you revealed the results when you showed the amount of power added - miles traveled was visible at the top! I’m sure there’s not a huge betting pool depending on the 70 mph range test results, but if you wanted to build suspense…
Thanks for more great content - appreciate everything you do for EVs.
@@adamchalom3872 Just a little bonus for my followers 😁
Can’t wait to get my Rivian!
So, you only got 253 out of large pack at 70 mph? About 20% less than stated? 2.03 miles/kWh is pretty poor and North Jersey is flat. Excellent video as always. 0:45
08:08 Tom did you notice mountain profile over left shoulder on the monitor looks similar to charging curve of the Rivian . Fast at first and slowly ramps down.
I didn't notice that. But you have to watch the range test video for context.
Great video. With the biggest battery pack what type of mileage are people really getting.
Here is some real world Rivian R1T data from a recent trip 4 day trip - Northern Virginia to Burlington Vermont and back. I charged to 100% at home before leaving. I did see 200+ rates above 40% so I expect the test Tom did was thermal limited. Of course the rate was highly dependent on the stations. The EA charger in PA charged by time rather than kWh which is great for a huge battery Rivian. Vermont being early proponents of electric vehicles has older infrastructure. No really fast chargers. I had to search hard to find the one that maxed out at 75kW behind the Homewood Suites. On a previous trip I had a hotel with a level 2 charger which is key for efficient road trips. This trip unfortunately I was not able to get a hotel with a level 2 charger. Pretty consistent 75 - 80 minutes of charge time for the 544 mile trip. I did over 1200 miles total on this adventure.
From To Minutes kW Added Avg Rate Peak Cost Notes
36% 71% 20 54 162 kW/h 212 $ 4.93 EA Allentown (350 kW charger)
56% 83% 21 38 108 173 $11.47 EA Pompton Lakes NJ (150kW charger)
21% 77% 33 76 138 150 $28.75 Evolve NY Ganesvoort NY (350 kW charger)
46% 80% 37 45 74 75 $15.90 SunCommon (ChargePoint) Burlington Vt. (125kW shared)
33% 75% 55 57 62 75 $19.77 SunCommon (ChargePoint) Burlington Vt. (125kW shared)
19% 73% 33 77 150 150 $25.44 EA ALbany NY (6 of 8 stations occupied) (350 kW charger)
28% 72% 26 66 151 170 $21.48 EA Pompton Lakes NJ (150kW charger)
42% 78% 23 54 140 212 $ 5.63 EA Allentown (350 kW charger)
I wired in my Clipper Creek for my Bolt. I am confident I can also do the larger one for the Rivian. In fact, I may put in dedicated solar just for charging utilizing batteries too. For trips, I'd use EA!
There are people that are capable of doing their own home installations. However, I will continue to recommend that people don't do it themselves. There are codes that many people don't know, like EV charging equipment that are utilizing a plug (14-50, 6-50, etc..) is required to use a GFCI breaker. Also, I don' think most people usually clamp don't the wires as tightly as they really should, and over time there's the chance that the tires can come loose and arc.
I've seen people use the wrong wire gauge and very cheap outlets that end up melting. IMO, it's just not worth the risk for most people. :)
Great video Tom! Rivian needs to fix their derating issues. This curve is slower than what they have long advertised (140miles/20 minutes), and suggests they aren't managing the temperatures very well, just as Kyle noted. This curve is disappointing as an owner for a "halo" vehicle from an EV dedicated company.
In addition to the charge curve, I’d be more worried about the 253 mile total range Tom got out of large pack and the paltry 2.03 average mile/kWh . Tom doesn’t exactly drive like a speed demon either, so that 20% less than rated range is disappointing as well. No way, no how is the even larger pack next year getting 400 miles unless it’s a 200 kWh pack.
@@alexnutcasio936 meh, Kyle got 290 miles. The two have discussed the differences.
Always great information. I would be really interesting what the 15 to 80 times are on all the vehicles and more importantly what that time turns in to for miles? Since these two are so close, I don't remember what their watt hour per miles is, does one of them have the edge in miles gained in the ~40 minutes?
I've just been watching all of his videos and keeping notes in a spreadsheet.
15-80% is a poor metric.
@@tvv178 That's about the truth!!
Why can't it hold the initial high rate of charge through 50% SOC?
Been waiting 2 years for a R1T, probably have to wait another year still.
Looks like my hilly, hot 220mi round trip to the airport will be no waiting however...
It can - it just had some thermal derating in this test
As Kyle explained, the vehicle will lower in the charging rate once it hits a thermal limit. It's "capable" I'm holding the higher charging rate for longer, but most people are not going to actually see that too often in the real world.
Hi Tom,
The next time you get an R1T, charge on a 150 kW Station so you can compare it to the 350 kW Station time.
Thnx Tom,,
For great review video of R1T charging data.
Cn u pls check or compare the power delivered by EA and power received by the R1T display per stage next time.
Sure, but it's nearly perfectly in sync. The R1T sometimes shows 1kW less at high charging rates, but there's not really any difference to make something out of, IMO.
You really should review the Emporia evse it's very popular and energy star rated and UL listed
Great video. The Rivian is a beast in general. Unfortunately I can’t afford it or the Lightning nor fit them in my garage 😟 However I have a @Fiskerinc Ocean Ultra on reserve.😎 Will you be doing a SOC review on the Ocean?
I charged one at work from 15% to 85% on the fastest charger in 38 minutes. It had not been driven beforehand and it was like 60 degrees out.
Can some post a link to the Rivian vs. Ford F-150 charge time comparison he talks about towards the end of the video? Thanks
Mac charge rate also depends if it’s current max or total max. If rivian has more room to improve that’s also a potential thing to consider
Thank you, Tom!
Please what's the reason for the gradual reduction in charging speed as the battery fills up and does it do same in home charging?
Tom, will you be testing the Rivian wall charger? Don't know if I should purchase one..
Yes, I've requested they send me one - still waiting
Tom, considering the purchase price, might you have any engineering clues as to why the cooling system can’t keep up with heat generation of the pack and/or power electronics/ conductors?
Rivian wants Zou to charge to 70% ar 80 max to save battery. It gives us 250 miles usable range / 400 km. Question - charging at home to 95% for example hurts battery?
Do you plan on doing a charge analysis on the Kia ev6 at some point? The only charging analysis I’ve seen are preproduction or Norwegian version.
Yes, I'm getting one on loan in about 3 weeks
Get a polarizing lens for your camera. Should solve glare.
It's not just glare. The EA screens that have been in service for 3 years now have faded and in sunlight are barely readable.
Always amazing
Is the charge rate limited by battery temperature. What does the charge profile look like if you start at a higher state of charge?
Check out my latest video on this: th-cam.com/video/a19zLxN0k8E/w-d-xo.html
The lightning was charged using a 150kW charging station. Would the lightning make a significant difference if it used a 350kW station?
No
What do you do for 1+ hrs every time you charge. Can you sit in the vehicle and run the ac or heater.
Yes, you can do that if you want to. Typically you won't be there for an hour, though, usually 35 to 45 minutes is all you stay. But these charging stations are quite often in sparkling lots of places where you can eat, so you go in and grab a quick bite while it's charging.
125 KWh/Hr average charging sounds great until you calculate out the miles per hour of charge that it is adding. With an abysmal 2.0 miles/KWh and it’s gigantic 125 KWh battery this thing is not going to make for speedy road trips.
Hey Tom you stated for the last 1/3 charge you get 1 mile per min and that is slower than what you add back from a simple 120v household outlet??? I believe your math is way off. You only get 2-3 miles per hour back from120 volt outlet. At least that is what I get.
Yes, that was incorrect. - I do make mistakes from time to time :) Once the video is posted I really can't correct it without deleting it and introducing it as a new video.
So it cost the same to fill my tank in my 2012 Honda Accord. I get 600 miles a tank, it cost me $90 to fill up, here in California.
Charging in public will always be more expensive than charging at home where most people charge. It cost me about $19.50 to fully charge the R1T at home which is good for about 300 miles. So I can drive a big, heavy pickup truck for less than half the cost you pay for a small sedan.
Did it not reach the EPA estimated range?
I just want to point out that fast charging this is more expensive than gas. When gas prices come down this will be even more painful. Electrify America is a ripoff. It's like three times the retail energy rate.
A few problems I have with this electric truck thing.... it took an hour and 35 mins to fill the truck up and it cost 46.28 I have a Toyota tundra I can fill it up in about 4 mins and it cost me about 70 bucks.... in today's price. I get about 300 miles to a tank so it's very comparable. The rivian costs about 65k to 80k. My used tundra costs 20k... I think I'll stick with gas for now.
Thanks for sharing. How much are you getting an hour from regular house 110v? Thanks in advance
Well it cost 46 to fully charge, takes about a little over an hr and get about 314 miles. Mean while my Honda take 66 to go 500 miles and take maybe 5 minutes to fill up. 🤔🤔🤔
That part
Great review, points out the ridiculous charging time, lets get the time down to fueling from a diesel pump to really replace a dino powered truck. I, during my work day would not be paid to sit for a hour and a half! 15 mins sure, maybe even a 30 min lunch break, but a hour and half? Get real.
Sooo basically the Bolt EV of the truck world in terms of DC charging.
Hmmmm, I would have expected it to hit 80% before Ford's F-150. In Kyle's OutOfSpec videos, he mentioned an amperage limit on some of the DC fast chargers that affect the Rivian's charging performance. Is it possible you were using one of those limited units?
No, it wasn't the charging station. The vehicle was thermal throttling. We hit over 200 kW so the station was indeed delivering 500-amps as its rated. Most of the stations on EA that I use can deliver the full 500-amps.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney yup, you're absolutely correct. Wasn't doing the math in my head when you mentioned the 200 kw+ rate, but yup, that would be 500 amps. Good work on the video!
Did the Kia EV six do better 800 watts
I would charge Rivian to 50% to get around 160 miles of range, then continue driving. No need to wait until 59% to get 185 miles. Of course this way need to stop more often, but shorter stops.
What surprises me is that the cost for electricity on these cars is still kind of expensive. I thought charging one of these ev cars would be like $10 or $15 for a full charge.
Good review Tom. Very interesting to see 'real world' charging. Everyone would like to utilize a level 3... but they are few and far between, right now. What I noticed was that loading my ICE F150 (est 20mpg) for 300 miles isn't that much more expensive. And takes significant less time. Am I correct?
For $30 this truck could go 180+miles based on his shown prices. How far do you go on $30 in gas? Bet it ain't anything near 180+miles. 🤔
@@4literv6... well, the Rivians estimated range is 300 miles on a full charge and Tom's charger is showing more than $40. Your figures are incorrect, just say'n.
@@robertrobertson5120 $46 For 300 miles in the r1t at an expensive public dcfc, vs about $70 for your truck to get 15 gallons of regular at the nat average of $4.60 For gas assuming your 20mpg figure is accurate. As an owner of a 2019 f-150 I highly doubt it is.
Which means your ice truck costs you 50% more per mile in just fuel costs. There I did the math all for you. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 ... wish the cost per gallon of petrol was still at pre-Brandon prices. That would be another story! What if a non "expensive public dcfc" was used? It's a waste of time to wait hours to get charged while on a trip. Doubt away dude, I even get better than 20 mpg at times. I do appreciate Tom and his presentation... plus, I canceled my Lightning due to the lack of level 2/3 chargers in my area.
@@robertrobertson5120 got it so you speak as someone with ZERO ev truck experience. Hope the person who gets what could've been your lightning enjoys the heck out of what's likely to be the best truck Ford's yet made. 👍🏻
So for anyone with a rivian. Let’s say you pull up to charger and your at 30% how fast will you get to 85%
Your electric is soo cheap compared to England 30p a kWh here or 37c a kWh
Ok wait. My ra4 hybrid gets 40 mpg. So with 6 gallons at 6$ per gallon I get 240mpg for 36$ in 5 mins. My rav4 cost 40k loaded. And I can go 500miles on a full tank. I know it’s a truck vr compact suv but. Home charging is very very important.
Ps but I’m still getting that ford lightning.
I didn't catch the name of your channel during the video...
Many people don't realize that you don't always need expensive charging stations at home. Most new EV's come with very long charging cables that will plug into a standard 120V outlet or with included adapter, a 240V outlet (a typical home's electric dryer or electric oven outlets). The electric dryer outlet is limited to 30 amps (up to 7.2kW) and is good for Nissan Leaf. The electric oven outlet will usually provide at least 40 amps ( up to 9.6kW). If you don't have these or don't want to unplug your appliances to charge your vehicle then for less than $100 you can install a 240v Smart Splitter by NeoCharge that simply plugs into an existing 240V outlet to create two outlets from one. You can also have an electrician install a NEMA 14-50 outlet in your garage. I was charged only $300 to have this done. Keep in mind that many utilities offer Off-Peak charging rates for use electricity at night which can be substantially less than the national average of $0.14/kWh. If your utility offers this it's possible to fully charge a Rivian for roughly $10.
13:43 Can you clarify your statement about it charging slower than a 120v outlet? Did you mean the last 1/3 was slower than 120v? That doesn’t sound possible. Isn’t a 120v outlet charging at something like 1-2 miles per HOUR with this vehicle? The DC charger was still charging at 1 mile per MINUTE for the last 3rd of the charging session.
You're totally right - I misspoke there - it was a bit of a brain fart. Not until the very end, maybe at 99% does it slow down to L1 rates.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney no problem. You do such a great job and are so thorough with everything. Keep up the great work. We all really appreciate it.
@@LearningFast Thanks. Definitely a brain fart there 😬
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney happens to the best of us. We will definitely let it slide this time.
You should qualify that 48 amps is needed for the fastest rate, but it isn't limited to only 48 amps and you can go lower (albeit at a charging time cost). There's a strategy among anti-EV trolls to tell people that Tesla's can ONLY CHARGE at one rate and nothing else, forcing you to entirely redo your house electrical service. It's easy for them to take your statement on 48 amps and use it out of context to misconstrue home charging.
Yeah, I'll have another video out soon that explains all that. I can explain everything in every video, this was about the DC fast charging.
48 minutes is still too long. Once electric cars/trucks can accept 350kw for the majority of the charge time, that is when I feel like they will be usable for long road-trips.
12:15 💼🏢🧾
Sadly, this costs as much per mile as my 05 Taurus.
Yeah, ay 2005 gas prices, not today. In any event, you don't pay this amount often, just on road trips. This costs me $20 to fully charge at home. I can go 300 miles on $20.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I was referring to current Oklahoma gas prices at the time...
Seems expensive to charge
So you can only go 300 mikes then hour and galf to two hours to recharge ??? No thank you have no use for something like this .
No problem, every new technology has its share of laggards. :)
Really 1,30 hour 🙇
3 years from now, Rivian who?
47$ 😂😂😂 that's pethetic same as Gas.
LOL same as gas. You must live in Saudi Arabia.
BEHOLD THE NEXT FISKER SBD DETROIT ELECTRIC CAR . If they don’t drastically up production in next 6 weeks they will lose all investors
It was only 2 years ago that it cost $20 to fill up an average car for 300 miles of range on gasoline. Electric isn't giving a cost benefit really.
It is if you charge at home as most people do.
HAHAHAH $46 AND 1.5 HOURS OF YOUR TIME .......NO THANK YOU
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You honestly aren’t wrong here though. That is pretty ridiculous
@@u.b.469 But nobody waits 1.5 hours. I only did that to document the full zero to 100%. Most people will wait about 40 minutes.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Even so, what is the economic benefit of spending $85k on this vehicle, $30 to charge while waiting 40 minutes and then not even getting a full battery for true full range?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney with Trump era gas prices you would be better off with an ICE car