I mean I personally don’t think it’s so much that we need a Fincher Batman ...But rather that Fincher has a dark, moody and neonoir style which a lot of comic book characters share, so there’s a lot of room for potential crossover. As a result whilst he’d work well with Batman, I think Daredevil is probably the character that would be best fitted for a David Fincher directed movie. Since Batman’s had the Burton treatment and the Nolan treatment so we’ve already seen so many actors and directors bring their interpretation leaving less room for Fincher to innovate. But with someone like Daredevil, if Fincher ever wants to make a superhero/comic booky film then that’s the character that he could have the most room to truly make his.
Nameless city setting, moody and raining all the time, a patient, methodical killer. Yep, sounds like Gotham to me. If this video is a love letter for David Fincher to direct the next Batman film, I'm sold. A proper *R* rated Batman film.
Pól Réamonn, agreed. From what I understand, there was a time when Batman killed criminals, and Robin was eventually introduced as his conscience. It could definitely work.
Because of The Batman. It was inspired by this movie, among others. With the tone and events of The Batman, it gave a healthy amount of weight to this theory.
Joker once stated that "It only takes one bad day" referencing to someone snapping after having one day that goes over that line of sanity. That statement could feasibly be applied to Brad Pitts character, becoming the broken hero that goes from an upstanding citizen to a murderer who's lost his mind due to emotional trauma. Just a thought. Awesome video
Se7en, Seven deadly sins, Seven years that Bruce Wayne was away from Gotham (in the dark knight that is) Coincidence? I. Think. So. (This is why I will never make theory videos)
I think this is the type of extended cinematic universe that Warner should sneakily put in the works. Films like this that you only find out somehow by the end is connected to our favorite Heroes/Villains.
Hollywood has lost all original thought over 15 years ago. We used to get 15 really good movies a year that played for 4 months each. But now, we get over 100 movies a year, and maybe 6 good movies. Hollywood shifted so far towards trying to shape culture that it lost it's ability to entertain.
This is a wonderful idea. It not only gives a sense of how Gotham effects the average citizen, but it also gives true leeway and freedom to tell stories that are connected to Batman, but don’t have to change what we know him to be. If more writers would think this way instead of “I can make a better Batman than what they’ve already done”, then we would get better content. People need to stop trying to do Year One better than Year One, or redo Dark Knight Returns their way. Leave established shit alone, and fill in the damn blanks. It’s really not that hard of a concept.
That would be forcing the hand. Take it from JJ Abram and the Cloverfield franchise. He tried doing that, and stopped midway with Overlord, cuz he realized it was silly and didn’t work. Hopefully we get an actually true sequel with Cloverfield.
you could say that for a lot of movies similar to both. does that mean that theyre all connected no. darknight movies arent as dark as most rated r movies.
You mean Dark Knight duology. Because Batman Begins captured Gotham in a great way, or at least a lot more than Se7en. But I can agree TDK & TDKR were not comic based Gotham.
@@captainbeastwinger4940 if anything The Batman’s Gotham is a lot more similar to the city in Se7en. I think that was intentional since The Batman was heavily inspired by Se7en.
Se7en, Heat, & The Usual Suspects were released in 1995. I wouldn't be surprised if all three served as inspirations for Christopher Nolan's trilogy, especially since The Dark Knight is often compared to the Michael Mann film.
Of course, this is Gotham City. *Se7en* is *The Joker's* true origin story. He was once a Detective named David Mills. He had a Wife and a promising career. Then, one day, a diabolical maniac, John Doe, the Se7en Sins Serial Killer, drove him insane by beheading Detective Mills' Wife, an innocent in an absurd world of corruption, sin, & evil. Thus was born the most ruthless villain ever to walk the Earth. *The Joker is born!* Now comes *The Dark Knight!*
Hello, I'm from the future living in 2021 after the official trailer for The Batman has come out and it's basically a pretty good balance with action and detective work
Blade Runner and Alien are canonically in the same universe, but to me if there’s no crossover or significant links between the two and the mythos for the respective franchises are different..then they’re not *really* in the same universe for me. Like Ridley said so but it seems more like fanservice. Unless they’re as linked or creatively combined as the MCU, then most other theories around other franchises sharing universes is just fan theories to me until they crossover, rather than anything that I’ll believe the creator’s word over.
I thought it was New York City, because of the Subway and that library. I think 7 was supposed to give you a 1940s Los Angels film noir type of vibe taken place in modern day. Even Kevin Spacey played in LA Confidential. But damnit, I never paid attention to that damn dessert 🤯 also for the longest time 7 reminded me of the long Halloween
Would also like to believe that Clyde Shelton in Law Abiding Citizen could’ve easily become one of Batman’s villains (as The Engineer, perhaps). Wreaking havoc on the city while locked up in solitary confinement.
@Nora Brandt that would perfectly explain why he wants to prove that 1 bad day can turn someone into a killer, because his wifes death would've done just that, you're brilliant.
I’ve seen a lot of David Fincher, and I didn’t realize until now that he needs to direct a Batman movie; perhaps a twisted version of long Halloween of sorts.
I love this! New Line produced Seven, and as sister company of Warner Bros, they could retcon it into the Batman universe. Morgan Freeman here is like a younger Jim Gordon. The scene where he has lunch with Gwyneth Paltrow and talks her around over her concerns about living in such a foul, corrupt city, and bringing children into that world, and the way he reassures her about not giving up, about there always being hope. That's Jim Gordon, in a nutshell.
Good one! How about this: Maximum Overdrive is a sequel to the Terminator series. Terminators fall into molten ore that eventually become material used to create autos. Celestial event activates the nanotech of the Terminators that survived destruction. The nanotech retains it's directive to destroy/enslave the humans...
This is fun and i think it doesn’t need to be anything else. It would be interesting if brad pitts character had some connection with detective gordon. maybe gordon heard about the fate that befell an old friend from his academy days wife and felt an urge to go to this city much like his old friend. This is just one way you could connect the two.
Someone made a fan edit movie that combined footage from American Psycho, the Nolan trilogy & The Machinist to make a psychopathic Batman movie. It was called Bateman Begins IIRC. Not seen it yet but the concept sounded hella interesting when I first heard
Notice Morgan Freeman play both this and the Dark Knight trilogy so it makes you wonder.I Wish David Fincher would make a Batman movie with Brad Pitt as the Caped Crusader.
There’s a joker quote “there’s no difference between me and everyone else, all it takes is ONE BAD DAY to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy” Maybe this is a version of jokers origin.
Brilliant video. I always thought there was some similarities between Fincher and Nolan when it came to crime, suspense films. And SEVEN does remind me Gotham.
I love how at the end of the opening discussion revolving around the straight ambiguity of their location... There is IN FACT a Giant Poster saying "New York Pizza." I know it doesn't technically mean they are in the Big Apple but it was just comical.
I just saw ‘The Batman’ yesterday and I said this feels like se7en in a social media conversation where someone pointed me to this video and ‘hell yes’ 🤘🏼
Neo-noir. Love your fun theory. First time I saw The Batman, I immediately saw the similarities. The serial killers in both actually have almost identical lines about how to get people’s attention.
Technically, Doe only killed six people. Sorry to be that guy. Pedantry mode off now. Interesting theory, and Doe does seem like a Bat-villain. I wonder how I never thought of this before.
Not even that many, if you're being really pedanticl. He doesn't kill the lust victim, he forces somebody else to; Gluttony stuffs himself to death (at gunpoint, admittedly) and Sloth is still alive (though a vegetable).
considering the lack of the "Wayne Train" (beside obvious 4th wall reasons) arguably the best 'placement' would be right before Thomas and Martha staved off the League's last assault, that Ra's/Ducard told Bruce about Gotham has 'almost' hit Rock Bottom, Doe is the first of the 'Batman-Level' crazies... the over-the-top-ness of Doe's spree inspires The Waynes to step up and make their changes pulling the city back from this cliff... only for the ground to fall out from under the city after their death
@@davidjames579 The existence and Visibility of the Train in Batman Begins is Practically a Chekov's Gun... Se7en being made well before BB (and not intended to be tied to anything, let alone a Batman Film, hence my 4th wall comment) The City obviously would not/could not Feature a similar Train
Lol I was just thinking how the city in the film reminded me a lot of Gotham City throughout as I was watching the film. The high level of crime, the living conditions of a lot of the people of the city, how it’s dark and moody and always raining throughout the film etc. There are a lot of similarities. Even the fact that John Doe’s motive was partially made up of wanting to punish corrupt individuals in society for their sins. It just summarises the type of individuals you would see in Gotham City and this part of his motive just screams Joker - where Arthur ends up killing those who did wrong to him and finally fights back after how he felt society treated him and others like him.
Possible timeline: -Gotham city 1976: The Wayne’s are murder, Bruce leaves Gotham, and Somerset joins the Gotham PD. -1988: Carmine Falcone rules the city, Bruce Wayne is training in East Asia. -1995: Mills joins the GCPD while Somerset is about to retire, the events of Se7en happen, Somerset retires and Jim Gordon arrives in Gotham city. -2001: Mills is in Arkham, Bruce Wayne returns, the sloth victim dies and the doctor who operated on him goes crazy from dealing with him and is revealed to be Dr. Jonathan Crane. -2002: Batman is now on the scene, Carmine Falcone still rules the streets, the first costume villain appears in the form of the Scarecrow, a new serial killer is on the scene known as The Riddler and Gordon goes to a dying Somerset and asks him for help with The Riddler.
The Riddler from The Batman 2022 film gave the exact same vibes to Batman, what Jon Doe said to Detective Mills in Se7en... Riddler: "You're part of this Too... " Batman: "How am I part of this?" Riddler: "You'll see... " Jon Doe: "I can't wait for you to see it, I really can't..." Mills: "Well, be sure to let me know when it happens... Because I sure wouldn't wanna miss it" Joe Doe: "Oh... Don't worry... You wont... You won't miss a thing...
This is one of the more solid fan theories that I've seen so far. I use to read a comic called Hellshock that was written and illustrated by Jae Lee. To me it was the comic equivalent of Seven. I also thought would've made a fantastic Spawn film. As for Batman why not.
My fan theory: Mills is allowed to side step prison and quits the force after the brutal death of his wife and unborn child. He's broken beyond comprehension but tries to live a normal life. He changes his name, gets an office job and a nice apartment. He tries to bury his guilt and pain by buying nice things to an almost obsessive level. But his broken psyche can't be mended for long and he begins to develop insomnia. The sleepless nights take hold and Mills begins to crack bit by bit. He starts losing time due to blackouts, waking up in a dilapidated abandoned house every now again. Its always the same house. He tries and tries to keep his normal life together but the darkness from his past is too hard to just ignore and one day he just snaps. The broken Mills and the fake in denial Mills come head to head. And start a fight club.
You could even take this a step further as it could be taken as an origin story for the Joker. David Mills final moments, when they say that they will get him the help that he needs, could be his first visit to Arkham Asylum. After having his world shattered by the death of his pregnant wife in such a brutal manner, his mind followed. Years of therapy and/or torture was repressed by the doctors there to only be released again by one particular psycho therapist, Johnathon Crane, ie Scarecrow. The combination of his current psychosis, the nightmare drug of Crane, and the anarchy that followed made him completely lose his mind and rationalize that the world should just burn. This could explain many of abilities of the character in The Dark Night. Police are trained in hand to hand(the pencil scene) firearms (shooting at the bat mobile), driving(after escaping the police) and several other skills shown in the movie by the Joker. His familiarity with police procedure (response times at the beginning with the buses and while he is in custody), knowing the honor guard ritual, and why they can't make an ID off of him (he erased his own files). All these things are within the wheelhouse of an inner city cop. As for the scars and where he got them, likely self inflicted while in a drug fueled blitz thanks to his lovely psycho psycho. But I really don't have anything to back that up.
Which is a sign it is definitely NOT in New York "New York' is a Style of Pizza... If a Pizza Place in Gotham (or anywhere) 'specializes' in New York Style, they could easily go with 'New York Pizza' as their shop name to promote this idea... Considering the size of NYC, calling yourself 'New York Pizza' in New York City would be generic
Has anyone (and I'm sure they have) noticed that in the 1989 BATMAN the guy that plays Joker's 'Number 1' also played in the GOTHAM t.v. series? Although, I don't know what character he plays in the series, he does wear the same trench coat and fedora style hat. Interesting.
I typically don't really like stuff like this. These fan theories usually reach way too far. But you hit the nail on the head about the tonality of the 2 cities. Awesome vid, man
Other than Logan, the Dark Knight trilogy are my favorite superhero movies. And Seven is one of my all time favorite movies. I had never looked at these in the way you have laid out and omg your so spot on. Everything you said makes complete sense. Nice job!
At 1:54 if you look to the left you can see something that’s says New York pizza, though the pizza place could be advertising that it has New York pizza and not that a pizza place is in New York. Anyway great video
Maybe Matt Reeve’s Batman is connected? At least in our own head canon it can be (It is in mine) considering the aesthetic of both films are very similar I’d totally except an official answer that it is indeed or at least heavily inspired by Se7en
Commissioner gordon the early years. Also what about brad Pitt getting all jaded because of his wife and drowning his sorrows in chilli dogs and becoming detective bullock
Well both are heavily noire versions heavily inspired by newyork city life. But im pretty sure gotham isnt near a desert where as 7 has a desert portrayed by the mojave far north of LA but made to look just outside so i think 7 is more LA Noire
Yeah of course. I think these film theory videos are more confirmation bias of acknowledging elements that support the theory and ignoring parts that don’t. This video is no different to me. Se7en definitely isn’t in Gotham, but fans can imagine it and find small clues supporting this if they want.
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Are you saying we should have a David Fincher Batman? Because I never knew how much I needed a Fincher Batman until now!
You magnificent bastard!
I mean I personally don’t think it’s so much that we need a Fincher Batman
...But rather that Fincher has a dark, moody and neonoir style which a lot of comic book characters share, so there’s a lot of room for potential crossover.
As a result whilst he’d work well with Batman, I think Daredevil is probably the character that would be best fitted for a David Fincher directed movie. Since Batman’s had the Burton treatment and the Nolan treatment so we’ve already seen so many actors and directors bring their interpretation leaving less room for Fincher to innovate. But with someone like Daredevil, if Fincher ever wants to make a superhero/comic booky film then that’s the character that he could have the most room to truly make his.
Fincher Almost directed a batman year one movie if i remember correctly in the late 90's
I want a David Lynch Batman.
He passed on it before...rumors he was to adapt year one and even direct star wars ep 3 prequel
I don't think it is a Gotham before Batman but a Gotham without Batman.
Now that seems more believable
Which is basically.....a Gotham before Batman....
@@ftnsbcsk8t No. It sort of feels like in this 'Gotham' the killer didn't spare the kid and there are no Waynes left.
@@ftnsbcsk8t no its basically gotham with no batman .. pay attention!!
Gotham after The Dark Knight Rises
Nameless city setting, moody and raining all the time, a patient, methodical killer. Yep, sounds like Gotham to me. If this video is a love letter for David Fincher to direct the next Batman film, I'm sold. A proper *R* rated Batman film.
Agreed.
This film and the new joker film are very similar in the mood and how dark it is if you was to connect them both it wouldnt look out of place.
An R rated Batman? Ratman? I'm bang up for that.
Pól Réamonn, agreed. From what I understand, there was a time when Batman killed criminals, and Robin was eventually introduced as his conscience.
It could definitely work.
And cast Brad Pitt as Gordon.
Well sir... This aged very well.
Lol yes
wait why did it age well? sorry i’m just lost
@@sojibedsole768 just replying so I can get to know the answer too
Because of The Batman. It was inspired by this movie, among others. With the tone and events of The Batman, it gave a healthy amount of weight to this theory.
Joker once stated that "It only takes one bad day" referencing to someone snapping after having one day that goes over that line of sanity. That statement could feasibly be applied to Brad Pitts character, becoming the broken hero that goes from an upstanding citizen to a murderer who's lost his mind due to emotional trauma. Just a thought.
Awesome video
Even though the world is crying...
Laugh, clown, LAUGH!
Se7en is the Joker's origin story. Mills being the Joker
Love the theory .. Pitt was younger joker
Why is he a murderer
Se7en, Seven deadly sins, Seven years that Bruce Wayne was away from Gotham (in the dark knight that is)
Coincidence?
I.
Think.
So.
(This is why I will never make theory videos)
A good theory. xD
ComikSpyder coincidence?...yeah probably
Lmfao
Nice one
I love playing with these concepts.
I’ve always liked to think that The Bourne Legacy is a Hawkeye origin story.
Go on
Jeremy Nordstrom elaborate pls
What this guy said 👆
Continue.....
Dang! Checks out!
I think this is the type of extended cinematic universe that Warner should sneakily put in the works. Films like this that you only find out somehow by the end is connected to our favorite Heroes/Villains.
Kind of like what happened with unbreakable connecting to split?
Hollywood has lost all original thought over 15 years ago. We used to get 15 really good movies a year that played for 4 months each. But now, we get over 100 movies a year, and maybe 6 good movies. Hollywood shifted so far towards trying to shape culture that it lost it's ability to entertain.
@@JoeMama-gj7id
This is true. Disney monopolizing does not help.
This is a wonderful idea.
It not only gives a sense of how Gotham effects the average citizen, but it also gives true leeway and freedom to tell stories that are connected to Batman, but don’t have to change what we know him to be.
If more writers would think this way instead of “I can make a better Batman than what they’ve already done”, then we would get better content.
People need to stop trying to do Year One better than Year One, or redo Dark Knight Returns their way.
Leave established shit alone, and fill in the damn blanks.
It’s really not that hard of a concept.
That would be forcing the hand. Take it from JJ Abram and the Cloverfield franchise. He tried doing that, and stopped midway with Overlord, cuz he realized it was silly and didn’t work. Hopefully we get an actually true sequel with Cloverfield.
Fun theory. Wish they had taken this route with the Gotham tv show , instead of going Tim Burton lite.
That's what I thought we were getting, a cop procedural with an extra psycho twist.
Some early episodes definitely had a se7en-esque vibe.
*Joel Schumacher Light
Exactly. Early episodes had potential then it turned into BatKid and Friends
You’re completely correct, seven felt more like Gotham than in the dark knight trilogy in aesthetic terms
you could say that for a lot of movies similar to both. does that mean that theyre all connected no. darknight movies arent as dark as most rated r movies.
You mean Dark Knight duology.
Because Batman Begins captured Gotham in a great way, or at least a lot more than Se7en.
But I can agree TDK & TDKR were not comic based Gotham.
No it didnt i like the idea of it being a prequel to a batman But this Gotham was nothing like Nolans Gotham
@@captainbeastwinger4940 if anything The Batman’s Gotham is a lot more similar to the city in Se7en. I think that was intentional since The Batman was heavily inspired by Se7en.
It just is an amazing Prequel to nolan's brilliant batman trilogy
More like an indirect prequel
@Vedata Plays - Well said.
But both have Morgan Freeman playing different characters, case closed.
Eh, more like a Prequel to Matt Reeve's The Batman (2022)..
Se7en, Heat, & The Usual Suspects were released in 1995. I wouldn't be surprised if all three served as inspirations for Christopher Nolan's trilogy, especially since The Dark Knight is often compared to the Michael Mann film.
Thanks Jules, now I want a David Fincher directed Batman film.
Todd Garver that would actually be great tbh
I wanted a David Fincher Batman for years, but i kinda forgot about it, this was just a reminder that it will never happen :(
That would be an amazing film. It'd finally give us the Batman as detective hero plot instead of Batman as action hero plot we always get.
Did Lucious ever say what he did before going to work for Wayne Enterprises?
Mathieu Duval instead we're getting David Fincher's World War Z 😒
I swear I thought about this the other day, well...I believe it is set in Gotham City. Great theory.
It's retarded.
Of course, this is Gotham City. *Se7en* is *The Joker's* true origin story. He was once a Detective named David Mills. He had a Wife and a promising career. Then, one day, a diabolical maniac, John Doe, the Se7en Sins Serial Killer, drove him insane by beheading Detective Mills' Wife, an innocent in an absurd world of corruption, sin, & evil. Thus was born the most ruthless villain ever to walk the Earth. *The Joker is born!* Now comes *The Dark Knight!*
Consider the Polaroid. Who else has this piece of "art work" hanging in their home?
Hint: TP is the Joker.
Amazing
Naw, doesn't explain the clown thing, what so ever
@@howardgriffen7187 you see what you wanna see.
YEE CHRAVIS : Exactly what *The Joker* 🃏 would say, LOL!
All I want now is a Fincher Batman and for this to be adapted to a comic.
Could Cabin in the woods be prequel to This is the end?!
Great one!
Ooooohhhhh... i like that A LOT! Makes perfect sense
Its more like a sequel to The Faculty.
Could this be the Robert Pattinson version of The Batman we'll get? It's said to be more detective driven than action.
what we really need is a david fincher batman with jon hamm as a grizzled batman, a great one
I guess we are finally getting it
Hello, I'm from the future living in 2021 after the official trailer for The Batman has come out and it's basically a pretty good balance with action and detective work
@@kfactor20 I'm from the further future and, yeah, it was pretty well balanced.
I'm from the future ،the batman is what this entire comment section ever wanted
This theory makes perfect sense. It's just as good as the theory that the Alien and Blade Runner share the same universe.
Kevin Gomolchak they are in the same universe, Ridley confirmed
Blade Runner and Alien are canonically in the same universe, but to me if there’s no crossover or significant links between the two and the mythos for the respective franchises are different..then they’re not *really* in the same universe for me.
Like Ridley said so but it seems more like fanservice.
Unless they’re as linked or creatively combined as the MCU, then most other theories around other franchises sharing universes is just fan theories to me until they crossover, rather than anything that I’ll believe the creator’s word over.
And if you don’t like it than too bad cuz they are canon
Los Angeles?
The whole damn time I thought it was Chicago!
There was even a desert!
How didn't I catch on?
Yeesh!
Native Engine lol me too
I really thought it was Anchorage, Alaska
I thought it was New York City, because of the Subway and that library. I think 7 was supposed to give you a 1940s Los Angels film noir type of vibe taken place in modern day. Even Kevin Spacey played in LA Confidential. But damnit, I never paid attention to that damn dessert 🤯 also for the longest time 7 reminded me of the long Halloween
Sommerset feels less like Fox and more like a combination of Jim Gordon's desire to clean up the city and Harvey Bolluck's world weary cynicism.
Morgan Freeman became Lucius Fox.
Brad pitt from Seven remind me of Max Payne
Hatred I miss MAX
Would also like to believe that Clyde Shelton in Law Abiding Citizen could’ve easily become one of Batman’s villains (as The Engineer, perhaps). Wreaking havoc on the city while locked up in solitary confinement.
so it takes place right before Bruce gets back home after training?
Or maybe because of the horror of this case & the way he loses his wife, Brad Pitt's character eventually becomes... The Joker?
@@garzie88 Thank you
@Nora Brandt that would perfectly explain why he wants to prove that 1 bad day can turn someone into a killer, because his wifes death would've done just that, you're brilliant.
@@Werewolf914 Why, thank you, my furry friend. 🐺💞
Another of Brad Pitt’s characters was suggested could have become the Joker......Tyler Durden. So Brad is a 2x Joker suspect 😂
Up next, John Doe survived and went on to become the Joker.
No brad Pitt's character becomes the joker
What if John Doe is the Joker's Father?
Eh, I kinda see him in the same energy as Calendar Man.
And I thought Heath Ledger went on to become the joker ;P
@@jbounce2446 whats if you're a delusional idiot
I’ve seen a lot of David Fincher, and I didn’t realize until now that he needs to direct a Batman movie; perhaps a twisted version of long Halloween of sorts.
I'm convinced Matt Reeves saw this video
Now that I think about it, John Doe is more realistic version of Victor Zsasz. Or he could be a grounded version of the Riddler
I love this! New Line produced Seven, and as sister company of Warner Bros, they could retcon it into the Batman universe. Morgan Freeman here is like a younger Jim Gordon. The scene where he has lunch with Gwyneth Paltrow and talks her around over her concerns about living in such a foul, corrupt city, and bringing children into that world, and the way he reassures her about not giving up, about there always being hope. That's Jim Gordon, in a nutshell.
Good one!
How about this: Maximum Overdrive is a sequel to the Terminator series. Terminators fall into molten ore that eventually become material used to create autos. Celestial event activates the nanotech of the Terminators that survived destruction. The nanotech retains it's directive to destroy/enslave the humans...
This is fun and i think it doesn’t need to be anything else. It would be interesting if brad pitts character had some connection with detective gordon. maybe gordon heard about the fate that befell an old friend from his academy days wife and felt an urge to go to this city much like his old friend. This is just one way you could connect the two.
Ah, i was wanting American Psycho to be the prequel before Batman Begins!!
It still can. American Psycho takes place in the wealthy side of Gotham while S7ven takes place in the poor side.
Someone made a fan edit movie that combined footage from American Psycho, the Nolan trilogy & The Machinist to make a psychopathic Batman movie.
It was called Bateman Begins IIRC. Not seen it yet but the concept sounded hella interesting when I first heard
Kaizer.Beatz Do you have a link where I could see it. That sounds fucking hilarious and brilliant.
I watched this video forever ago and had to revisit it because the new Batman trailer gave me Se7en vibes. Maybe y'all knew something 🤔👀😬😂
The new Batman trailer definitely gives off Se7en vibes!!
Notice Morgan Freeman play both this and the Dark Knight trilogy so it makes you wonder.I Wish David Fincher would make a Batman movie with Brad Pitt as the Caped Crusader.
The City of Se7en is Gotham
Just located in Matt Revees's ''The Batman'' universe
There’s a joker quote
“there’s no difference between me and everyone else, all it takes is ONE BAD DAY to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy”
Maybe this is a version of jokers origin.
Well, Film Theory sort of called it. Matt Reeves Batman trailer is so much like Se7en
It so is, in parts scene for scene almost
One big problem... Lucius Foxx
Brilliant video. I always thought there was some similarities between Fincher and Nolan when it came to crime, suspense films. And SEVEN does remind me Gotham.
I love how at the end of the opening discussion revolving around the straight ambiguity of their location... There is IN FACT a Giant Poster saying "New York Pizza." I know it doesn't technically mean they are in the Big Apple but it was just comical.
That is a clear indication that it is not New York, no one refers to it as New York pizza here lol
I feel like this film and the original Max Payne game have more in common than Batman personally lol would love to see a video on that
I’ve only just found this channel from Josh’s Heavy Rain video! So much backlog to go through 🙌
Could definitely see Kevin spacey channeling calendar man
I just saw ‘The Batman’ yesterday and I said this feels like se7en in a social media conversation where someone pointed me to this video and ‘hell yes’ 🤘🏼
Neo-noir. Love your fun theory. First time I saw The Batman, I immediately saw the similarities. The serial killers in both actually have almost identical lines about how to get people’s attention.
Technically, Doe only killed six people. Sorry to be that guy.
Pedantry mode off now. Interesting theory, and Doe does seem like a Bat-villain. I wonder how I never thought of this before.
He basically assisted suicide to become the 7th
Not even that many, if you're being really pedanticl. He doesn't kill the lust victim, he forces somebody else to; Gluttony stuffs himself to death (at gunpoint, admittedly) and Sloth is still alive (though a vegetable).
@@johnpotts8308 and he gave pride a choice, and greed killed himself (again at gunpoint)
It's the manner that counts. Grotesque, artful. Far more memorable than just blowing up a building or machine gunning a crowd.
Seven feels like it would be in the same universe of Matt reeves the Batman
If it was connected, it would likely take place several years before the Wayne Murder. And Mills is actually a cop.
considering the lack of the "Wayne Train" (beside obvious 4th wall reasons) arguably the best 'placement' would be right before Thomas and Martha staved off the League's last assault, that Ra's/Ducard told Bruce about
Gotham has 'almost' hit Rock Bottom, Doe is the first of the 'Batman-Level' crazies... the over-the-top-ness of Doe's spree inspires The Waynes to step up and make their changes pulling the city back from this cliff... only for the ground to fall out from under the city after their death
@@TJ52359 What was the reason for not including The Wayne Train? I didn't understand what he was referring to in the video.
@@davidjames579 The existence and Visibility of the Train in Batman Begins is Practically a Chekov's Gun... Se7en being made well before BB (and not intended to be tied to anything, let alone a Batman Film, hence my 4th wall comment) The City obviously would not/could not Feature a similar Train
Lol I was just thinking how the city in the film reminded me a lot of Gotham City throughout as I was watching the film. The high level of crime, the living conditions of a lot of the people of the city, how it’s dark and moody and always raining throughout the film etc. There are a lot of similarities. Even the fact that John Doe’s motive was partially made up of wanting to punish corrupt individuals in society for their sins. It just summarises the type of individuals you would see in Gotham City and this part of his motive just screams Joker - where Arthur ends up killing those who did wrong to him and finally fights back after how he felt society treated him and others like him.
So the detective is Clearance Fox. Luscious twin brother!
Possible timeline:
-Gotham city 1976: The Wayne’s are murder, Bruce leaves Gotham, and Somerset joins the Gotham PD.
-1988: Carmine Falcone rules the city, Bruce Wayne is training in East Asia.
-1995: Mills joins the GCPD while Somerset is about to retire, the events of Se7en happen, Somerset retires and Jim Gordon arrives in Gotham city.
-2001: Mills is in Arkham, Bruce Wayne returns, the sloth victim dies and the doctor who operated on him goes crazy from dealing with him and is revealed to be Dr. Jonathan Crane.
-2002: Batman is now on the scene, Carmine Falcone still rules the streets, the first costume villain appears in the form of the Scarecrow, a new serial killer is on the scene known as The Riddler and Gordon goes to a dying Somerset and asks him for help with The Riddler.
That sounds awesome
THIS is my hed canon
For the longest time, 7 reminded me of the long Halloween
Back when 7even was released Pitt was on an absolute tear , great work after great work
Fight club
Sleepers
7even
Hands up who thinks Matt Reeves has seen this.
I don’t have hands
In the scene with the FBI agent, there's literally a sign on the window that says New York Pizza
It may be a restaurant that sells New York style pizza, doesn't necessarily mean it's in New York.
That means it's definitely not New York, no one would have that sign here lol
Also, the opening track to the movie is Nine Inch Nails "Closer (Precursor)" ...PRECURSOR? Hmmm 😏
no lie i thought the Gothem series was going to take this type of approach.
My God. A Fincher-directed Batman would be an absolute game-changer.
The Riddler from The Batman 2022 film gave the exact same vibes to Batman, what Jon Doe said to Detective Mills in Se7en...
Riddler: "You're part of this Too... "
Batman: "How am I part of this?"
Riddler: "You'll see... "
Jon Doe: "I can't wait for you to see it, I really can't..."
Mills: "Well, be sure to let me know when it happens... Because I sure wouldn't wanna miss it"
Joe Doe: "Oh... Don't worry... You wont... You won't miss a thing...
This is one of the more solid fan theories that I've seen so far.
I use to read a comic called Hellshock that was written and illustrated by Jae Lee.
To me it was the comic equivalent of Seven.
I also thought would've made a fantastic Spawn film.
As for Batman why not.
My fan theory: Mills is allowed to side step prison and quits the force after the brutal death of his wife and unborn child.
He's broken beyond comprehension but tries to live a normal life. He changes his name, gets an office job and a nice apartment. He tries to bury his guilt and pain by buying nice things to an almost obsessive level.
But his broken psyche can't be mended for long and he begins to develop insomnia. The sleepless nights take hold and Mills begins to crack bit by bit. He starts losing time due to blackouts, waking up in a dilapidated abandoned house every now again.
Its always the same house. He tries and tries to keep his normal life together but the darkness from his past is too hard to just ignore and one day he just snaps. The broken Mills and the fake in denial Mills come head to head.
And start a fight club.
I love it. Just for the fact he winds up finding another girl in fight club which is kinda when he starts going back to normal
And then he becomes a Batman villain- The Narrator.
You could even take this a step further as it could be taken as an origin story for the Joker. David Mills final moments, when they say that they will get him the help that he needs, could be his first visit to Arkham Asylum. After having his world shattered by the death of his pregnant wife in such a brutal manner, his mind followed. Years of therapy and/or torture was repressed by the doctors there to only be released again by one particular psycho therapist, Johnathon Crane, ie Scarecrow.
The combination of his current psychosis, the nightmare drug of Crane, and the anarchy that followed made him completely lose his mind and rationalize that the world should just burn.
This could explain many of abilities of the character in The Dark Night. Police are trained in hand to hand(the pencil scene) firearms (shooting at the bat mobile), driving(after escaping the police) and several other skills shown in the movie by the Joker. His familiarity with police procedure (response times at the beginning with the buses and while he is in custody), knowing the honor guard ritual, and why they can't make an ID off of him (he erased his own files). All these things are within the wheelhouse of an inner city cop.
As for the scars and where he got them, likely self inflicted while in a drug fueled blitz thanks to his lovely psycho psycho. But I really don't have anything to back that up.
WHATS IN THE BOX? I’m Batman!!!
Except at 1:55 the sign behind the guys head says New York pizza
Which is a sign it is definitely NOT in New York
"New York' is a Style of Pizza... If a Pizza Place in Gotham (or anywhere) 'specializes' in New York Style, they could easily go with 'New York Pizza' as their shop name to promote this idea... Considering the size of NYC, calling yourself 'New York Pizza' in New York City would be generic
Raging Bull is set in Cleveland before Howard the Duck.
Se7en and Fight Club are easily in the top 10 of all time
Nightcrawler? Lol .... godfather 2 is the hands down GOAT
This is amazing but I was thinking the same thing the other day,and totally agree.
You know... This would actually work.
Ok... you sold me... I’m a believer.
Incidentally I figured it was Seattle because of the rain
Has anyone (and I'm sure they have) noticed that in the 1989 BATMAN the guy that plays Joker's 'Number 1' also played in the GOTHAM t.v. series? Although, I don't know what character he plays in the series, he does wear the same trench coat and fedora style hat. Interesting.
Man..watching these high really makes me like it more
After the batman trailer i could definitly see this
I don't know if you do Tv theories. But what about Walter White being a grown up Malcolm?
cp1925 I’d love to hear your theory on this if you don’t mind
Yeah he aged 40 years in 10. Great “theory”
@@bigbysnow6306 cracks a hell of a drug
Don’t you mean Blue Sky?
@@Anw4rr10rah yeah! Derp! Silly me. Crystal Blue Persuasion
The commercial at the end was epic.
Every point you gave made me develop each point further into the DC batman world, how this could be put into a Gotham PD comic or series
This is my favorite one of your theories!
I typically don't really like stuff like this. These fan theories usually reach way too far. But you hit the nail on the head about the tonality of the 2 cities. Awesome vid, man
Now I want to see an R rated Batman film, that focuses on the detective noir side of the character.
Wow the first video I have watched on your channel and I am hooked. This does make sense and I look forward to seeing your other videos!
imagine this as a dark origin story for Jim Gordon his first months on the job
Awesome
Really enjoyed the theory, but the ad at the end made my damn day.
1:57 New York pizza
Up next, Se7en is a prequel to Blade Runner
Other than Logan, the Dark Knight trilogy are my favorite superhero movies. And Seven is one of my all time favorite movies. I had never looked at these in the way you have laid out and omg your so spot on. Everything you said makes complete sense. Nice job!
At 1:54 if you look to the left you can see something that’s says New York pizza, though the pizza place could be advertising that it has New York pizza and not that a pizza place is in New York. Anyway great video
There's a reason why Se7en never told us what city it was set in: because it didn't matter!
What a brutal and amazing movie, its hard to watch but a fucking classic!!!
One of my favorite movies, and I VERY rarely watch it. The film is drenched in dread. Classic though, for sure.
Wow, this aged well! 👍
Maybe Matt Reeve’s Batman is connected? At least in our own head canon it can be (It is in mine) considering the aesthetic of both films are very similar I’d totally except an official answer that it is indeed or at least heavily inspired by Se7en
Commissioner gordon the early years. Also what about brad Pitt getting all jaded because of his wife and drowning his sorrows in chilli dogs and becoming detective bullock
Well both are heavily noire versions heavily inspired by newyork city life. But im pretty sure gotham isnt near a desert where as 7 has a desert portrayed by the mojave far north of LA but made to look just outside so i think 7 is more LA Noire
Yeah of course. I think these film theory videos are more confirmation bias of acknowledging elements that support the theory and ignoring parts that don’t.
This video is no different to me. Se7en definitely isn’t in Gotham, but fans can imagine it and find small clues supporting this if they want.
We'll it wouldn't suprise me if his head opened up and a ufo flew out. ;D
Excellent video. I always say my two favorite movies of all time Se7en & Heat got together and had a baby, and they named it The Dark Knight
That Pennyworth show is basically a prequel to Michael Cain's Alfred from TDK Trilogy.
Yup this is my head canon now
David Fincher Batman would literally make my life complete. Same goes for Tarantino Deadpool, or Nolan Doctor Strange, Scorsese Joker.
What about rami strange?
I knew it happened in one of those EUs. I was leaning towards a joker riddler type 10 years before Batman begins
You could argue Sleepers takes place in Hell's Kitchen before Daredevil
1:54 - A sign that states “New York Pizza”. ?????
Gimme any franchise and attach Fincher's name to it and I'll be like a kid at christmas. But Batman would be the ultimate one!
OK.
Alien.