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Well I watched this video, and I'm not actually familiar with that theory? But I do like it all the same. However I can't really feel that it's all that grim and I'm not sure why you chose that word to describe this theory. But while we're on the subject of film theories I have one of my own, regarding the movie. The breakfast club. And I have looked all over the internet trying to see if someone else has noticed it but no one has ever even suggested it. And I don't know the first thing about starting my own website or a blog or what not or putting a video on TH-cam so is there any chance that you can do a video on my theory?
Umm Wrong. I wasted time looking for a comment to just up vote but this theory is soo incorrect. I dont see how its overlooked. 1) not only would he have to save Marty before he dies but your title would read how many times did Doc kill DOC to save Marty?!? Idk how long i want to spend correcting this as kindly as i can but the fact that that you @9:15 mention ground hogs day my favorite movie shows you dont have a good grasp in my opinion. you mixed sending memories back in time and actually being to able to meet yourself (physical objects back in time) this is two very different time theories which dont play nice together at all in my understanding. Soo short story small i see Marty A going downt the road hit by car. DOC A goes back in time Doc A is alive and Doc B (future) soo DOC B kills Doc A who failed in this same split of time and makes the maneuver as you put it perfectly so as to save Marty A. You see its not memories as in groundhog day that are sent back but objects. IF your saying that it branches more then he never actually saves marty because hes in a different string of time all together where Marty X is there and Doc A is not... But then the movie falls apart altogether. Grr so many edits because its soo off. you state yourself be ok with multiple DOCS i am but they still would hold the same space unless they meet before.. soo it would be DOC A talks to DOC B but DOC A saves Marty A erasing DOC B ugh
I love it! But Doc didnt make the train fly in the 1800's, he made it into a time machine, traveled to the future to upgrade it with flight, and then back to 1985 to visit marty
True but I think the point is more that he was able to create a functional time machine out of the train. That demonstrates that he was capable of having multiple working time machines at a given time. At least in theory anyway. I mean the Doc has a case full money organized for various time periods, the guy has clearly planned ahead.
7:18 According to the graphic novel short stories, Doc Brown built a smaller time machine which he rolled down a hill on. This allowed him to go to the early 21st century to get the hover parts required and the time travel parts from his workshop in 1986. He then went back and finished the train so that he could bring his family with him
@@mrcontroversy222 yes there was quite a few! The producer for back to the future worked with writers and illustrators around 2014-2017 to produce multiple graphic novels. Even i didn't know about it until earlier this year until i went to the biggest comic book shop at my nearest city
wow, you make the relationship between Doc and McFly sound so beautiful and full of meaning in their universe. They need each other to complete their purpose of life.
"Marty is Docs Totem, without him he is nothing"...damn near brought a tear to my eye because they have such a great on screen friendship and genuinely care about each other.
What if Doc was always grooming Marty from birth. Shortly after meeting his past self, Doc knows Marty's parents. He starts recording Marty's life since then. I always thought it was weird Marty's best friend is an old guy and his parents are cool with it
His parents weren’t cool with it because they weren’t paying attention. His mom was an depressed alcoholic and his dad a whimpering spineless nerd. You noticed before he came back from 1955 his actions changed his parents behaviors. The parents of the new time loop probably wouldn’t be cool with Marty being friends with the old weirdo up the street.
In the canon he had his first job sweeping for him so they became friends. Not everything is meant to be pedophilia just because its an old guy and marty hanging out.
The Back to the Future II instance was misinterpreted. TL;DR - Marty had a plan to get off the roof. He was looking for Doc and saw him last second. Doc was talking about Old Biff choosing 1955 as a coincidence, not how he saved Marty. In the alternate timeline, Alt Marty and Biff have a dealer and drug addict relationship. Alt Marty is constantly asking Biff for money. Because of this, Biff ordered his goons to beat up Marty to make him stay away. When he doesn't, he sends him to Switzerland to get rid of him likely at Lorraine's request instead of killing him or worse. Enter 1985 Marty who is bashed on the head and knocked out. Lorraine mistook Marty as Alt Marty and took him upstairs. Biff finds out and barges into the room screaming, "You're supposed to be in Switzerland you little punk!" After a display of domestic abuse, Biff threatens Marty to leave and Marty learns about his father's death. This set up moves the narrative forward in the film and gives Marty's motivation for retrieving the almanac in 1955. It also shows the world as a living one because in order to find out where Young Biff got the almanac, they have to return to the tower to find out. Due to the encounter from before, Biff tighten security. No one could enter the building with out specialized training... or a helicopter. Doc has a flying car. Marty entered the building via the roof. Biff asks, "How'd you get past my security downstairs?" Marty brushes it off only caring about the almanac. The rest of the scene plays out and we get to the moment you reference in your video. You correctly concluded that Marty being trapped on the roof was not part of his plan. However, Marty was looking for Doc, hence his frustration. As I said before, Doc dropped Marty off via the roof. Doc's absence was likely due to the fact that he couldn't just hover in plain sight. The attention might have hindered Marty as he interrogated Biff, so he left to remain undetected. On his return approach, he probably saw Biff and Marty's stand off and flew into position with the intention of alerting Marty. Luckily Marty happened to look over the edge and see the Delorean. Proof - Biff: Kid, I OWN the police! Besides, they couldn't match up the bullet that killed your old man. Marty: You son of a- *cut off by Biff cocking the hammer * It's here that Marty checks for Doc again and sees him. He slowly looks back at Biff with the idea of dropping onto the Delorean and using the shock value of seeing him alive as a FU moment before Doc and he go to 1955. Biff: I suppose its poetic justice. Two McFlys with the same gun! Marty drops off the ledge. Biff, baffled by Marty's decision, takes 13 seconds to walk up to the edge to see Marty fall, only to be knocked out cold by Doc's door. Marty then tells Doc that they have to go back to 1955. Doc states that it is unbelievable that Old Biff would have chosen that particular date. That is the coincidence he is referring to not saving Marty the way he did. Doc: Unbelievable that Old Biff could have chosen that particular date. It could mean that point in time inherently contains some sort of cosmic significance. Almost as if it were the temporal junction point for the entire space-time continuum. On the other hand, it could just be an amazing coincidence.
In the tunnel instance. If Doc was flying over head he would have seen Biff come out the other end revving the car so it would have made since for him to come out on the other end. In the hanging scene Biff and his goons go through time firing their guns which would natural alert people of somethinfg bad going on. Doc initially did not know it was Marty when it happened.
Maybe, the reason why Doc insists on preventing Marty from meddling with the timeline is because two people indepently meddling with time would cause unpredictable results. As this theory suggests, Doc is methodical, and attentive and plans the moment in which he decides to make changes. However, Marty's poor impulsive decissions would cause a big mess, thus, Doc's (probably infantile) excuse of "don't interfere or the universe will explode". How on Earth could he know that it would destroy the galaxy? He doesn't, but falsely warns Marty, as this is the only scenario in which Marty would stop interfering.
And that's why he gave Marty a few seconds to exit the DeLorean after returning to 1985 on the railroad... to ensure the destruction of Marty's time vehicle.
I always assumed that Marty told Doc off screen to come and pick him up off the roof of Biff's Pleasure Paradise, and he was frustrated because Doc wasn't there yet, but he jumps when he sees the Delorean.
@@raymondlopez5974 Are you a serious person who is really interested in what i mean to say, or are you joking? I ask this because i dont have patience for people who are only joking.
@@raymondlopez5974 The Walk is a movie launched in 2015. In Oktober. Just like Back to the Future already "predicted". Its about a guy walking a rope between those 2 towers in New York. Back to the Future doesnt just predict that, you know. It is difficult to not see the symbolism in this movie. You may think im a crackpot, but just have a look at how this movie, Back to the future, has links to 9/11. Sure, nonsense, i know. But keep in mind that Solzhenitsyn already said ages ago that the entire world media is controlled by those who also committed the crimes in Russia in the time of the Bolsheviks. In other words: The fact that the world media is silent about the enormous crimes committed by the Bolsheviks is proof that the entire world media is in the hands of its perpetrators. Now: The one who produced this movie is part of the team that also produced a movie based on a fictional book, but sold it to the audience as being a true story. Just look into it and you will find what movie im talking about here. Have an open mind. Back to the future clearly depicts a tragedy that is going to happen...... Its not what some want to see. Its actually there. And to deny it is basically denying that propaganda exists. Propaganda does exist. It existed when Goebbels was alive. It did not die when Goebbels died. In other words: Belgian Babies were eaten by Germans, in the first world war. If you can believe that. Sure, im a crackpot. I know. Just look at todays world, and ask yourself this simple question: Who is benefitting from all of it? Is it humanity? Is it black people? White people? Who is? Its not that difficult to see. And no, it aint no Bin Laden or any of his 19 Muslim friends flying any airplanes into buildings, gaining NOTHING in return. NOTHING!!!! They didnt get sympathy They didnt earn any money. They didnt prove anything. THEY GAINED NOTHING. Who did gain money, and sympathy? Lucky Larry Silverstein and his friend Netanyahu. Or didnt they? I dont know what you know, just that now you know how the world works. You may put on the blinders if you want, to stay in the bubble and live life as an illusion. Or you may say: damn, this is not good for the future of humanity and the rest of it. Either way: When the sacrifice of thousands of people is required to get millions of people to fall for another hoax, then in my opinion we could just as well launch them bombs and get it over with. 2 nukes should do the trick to trigger a chain reaction.
Very nice... it even makes more sense when you remember what Doc said to Marty in 1885. “That’s exactly how you get into that accident in the future” Jules is right. Doc is constantly saving and trying to teach him and at this moment. Doc almost just blurted it out... that’s awesome!!!
EnoDekciwEht Films 2 and 3 were written/filmed together. It was foreshadowed in Part II, Marty will get into an accident, difficulties with the term "chicken", and the actions of _'How to correct future events (Part II and Part III)' vs _'How to correct the past/1955's present-day (Part I)_
It is just post hoc rationalizations. You can make just about any theory fit if you construct after the movie is made. In reality, the script makers likely did not think of every small detail.
rick nineg , 2 massive things here, yeah.....but still don’t know why Doc in BTTF 3 after Marty rips a black flexible fuel line didn’t go to the mine shaft where he left the time machine from lighting strike drain the gas and take off the black fuel line. Doc Brown from 1955 could of easily replaced fuel line and gas. Also in BTTF 1 didn’t Doc and Marty get very lucky in 1955 when Marty was just a few minutes away from returning to 1985 that it didn’t start raining. Water and electricity aren’t friends and Doc (1955 ) and ( 1985 Doc therefore wouldn’t exist.) The time machine would’ve disappeared around Marty and also Marty may have died as a result of electrocution or at best stuck in 1955 onwards and had to live the rest of his life in Hill Valley without Doc Brown. Also the night Marty was supposed to return to 1985, Marty would’ve seen Doc dead and with the Time Machine erased from existence, Marty would’ve fled the scene absolutely terrified ( with no way back to 1985 ) the police would be on their way sometime further into the night. Sliding doors moment right there. Lucky it rained later that night and not earlier.
The 1955 Doc knows everything from those couple of weeks he spent time with Marty. I always liked that look Doc gives Marty when they meet at twin pines. It's like- yup, here we go.
@Mike DeMarco Well, we've just seen one of possible futures and pasts, so what if there is multiple alernative versions of future and pasts as that one alternative of 1985 we've seen in second movie? ;)
A way old west Doc could have got the train time machine: After Marty's time jump, he goes full into building another time machine with materials available in the era. He spends all time on it, and, works for many years. Clara is fed up and leaves him. sometime in the 20s; when he is near death: he makes a time machine of a ....primitive nature, and, it only has energy for two jumps before it is worthless. He goes back to 1885, passes his past self the time machine, and, the 1885 Doc goes to like......2567 or something; a time so far in the future, you can order steam punk train time machines from Ebay.
Your theory is funny if they sell TM on eBay what is to stop them from using it to make themselves the “creators” of Temporal Relocation and practically destroy the timeline for their on person gain like on BTTF2, if you catch my drift
In the first movie, he tells Jennifer that he told his mom that he was going camping with his friends instead of her. This means that Marty does have (male) friends that his mom knows about. The other guys from his band "The Pinheads"are also his friends.
Think about it from a filmmaking point of view. Why would the filmmakers waste time and money to film a scene that establishes he has a group of friends (which play no role in the film whatsoever anyway) when they could just explain it in one quick line of dialogue??
I think doc sees Marty hanging in the middle of town, goes back in time to save him, then puts back the time machine after breaking it again to cover his tracks
God i love how chill these videos are and how they aren't just the same theories spouted out by every other channel, please keep up the great work with this channel.
This movie taught me not to make bad decisions. Even though they are assholes who push your buttons to make you angry. It has taught me to be angry and not sin.
The questions I really want to know are these. When Marty went to 2015, why was he not listed as missing for ~26 years when he arrived? An older Marty in 2015 implies that his leaving didn't alter the timeline at all, and that a second Marty magically popped into his timeline replacing him, and continued on as if he never went. Which doesn't fit the themes of the movies. Either that, or else the future already accounts for Marty having gone to 2015, succeeded, returned to 1989, and then lived his life normally until 2015. If that was the case, why wasn't old Marty expecting young Marty, and why couldn't Doc just ask old Marty what to do before going back to get him?
Because Doc would drop him home the second they left but as we know in back to the future things write in the present(hence why he disappeared slowly in the first movie and not intantaniously, which is why future Marty was there in 2015 but as the event was unfolding currently he did not have memories or expirence changes until after current Marty was returned home.
The question you asked actually leads to a totally different plot hole, but first I will answer your question. The reason the Marty isn't considered missing is actually because when Marty went to the future with Doc, it created a new timeline. Doc saw what Marty's future lived out was and went back to the past to get him to bring him to the original timeline's future. Now we have two Marty's in the future because that life was lived out. It's technically the same concept of how there's multiple Martys and Docs in the second half of the movie when they go back to the past. It kinda breaks the timeline, but it still makes sense within their explanation of how things work...up to a point. Here's where the completely different plot hole comes in. By introducing this dilemma, it totally turns the first movie on its head, especially with the ending. If you recall in the second movie, when Marty goes back to the altered 1985, Biff comments that he thought he was in a boarding school in Switzerland, alluding to the fact that there's two different Martys in this timeline now. Cool, makes sense because it's a alternate timeline. If that's the case however, then at the end of the first movie when Marty alters the timeline to make his parents "better", he should have entered a new timeline with an already existing Marty...where is the Marty of this timeline? That in itself is a HUGE plothole introduced by the second movie, one that I don't think is ever addressed.
Wow, how did you not know the answer to this. The Marty of the new timeline at the end of the first movie is the one we see from a distance wearing the hazmat suit and jumping into the delorean.
@@jughead4845totally agree as long as the writers did that on purpose. They don't have to be aware of string theory to create a storyline that's complicated but I don't think that they really thought through alternate timeline possibilities and all that. Let alone that the time machine can only go backwards and forwards in time but not across timelines or other universes. If they had purposely heard about string theory and design something the way marvel did then that would be super awesome If you look at this movie from the perspective that you can only have a linear travel situation then you can't go in the future without missing for the intervening time. You can go back in the past in a strictly one universe existence with one time line But on the black mirror side of things you have to wonder what that means for everybody's time relativity. I think it would be valid to consider that everybody's time is relative to everybody else's so it could be the case that they continue on regardless of what you do and you would just be absent or present. And if you're absent and then you come back in a single timeline universe then you have a problem.... I think the perception of somebody being able to time travel in a more scientific way.... Something that would be written with today's understandings would look a little bit different and it would be neat if somebody would try it.. The only realistic time travel that you could maybe do on the planet is a centrifuge that spends fast enough that you can get inside of it without being destroyed by G-Force and you would age less in the people outside of the centrifuge. So you could hop in and show up in a future where you were not present and everybody knew you were in the centrifuge. I don't think we have any comprehension even in theory with the mathematics of what it would look like if you can make that centrifuge go faster than the speed of light... We kind of assume that when you reach the speed limit that something unusual might happen but I don't think the math makes any predictions of it let alone how that would affect everything else around it. It wouldn't be able to address how time would function for you versus everybody else and let everybody's individual experience would be if an individual did that. Fun stuff though fun stuff
I always believed that Marty actually helped Doc in making the Time Machine. That if it wasn’t for Marty going back in time to show Doc his invention that he never would have followed through with making it to begin with. Seeing the machine is actually what gave him the motivation to make it for the future. It’s a time loop with no start or finish.
I respectfully disagree. No doubt it's a very interesting concept, but I think one that's only suited best for uber-fans like us to talk about in environments like this, I'm very inclined to never wanting another actual whole movie (much less trilogy) with this as its through-line. It would always work best as something you don't specifically see, and not because any of the details potentially not really holding up if that was so, just that its beauty is in how it's all done out of the proverbial light of day. It kind of feels akin to showing an audience a full break down of how you had pulled off an incredibly elaborate magic trick to them the night before.
@@kevinw712 you would have to make a series or something back in the late 80s. Otherwise, nowadays it's too late to do anything and wouldn't make any sense
When i grew up and watch 3 i realized the fuel issue was extremely stupid. Cuz theres already a time machine in 1885 with gas in it. Instead of using whiskey and brake the time machine. Just go syphon the gas outta it. Then change the note saying add gas too. And the whole train thing wouldnt have to happen.
He probably prepped the Delorean for its extended storage by draining all fluids (I wonder what he did with all of it though?), but a scientist of his caliber should know not to put the bartender's recommended "strongest" whiskey in the car. In fact he should know how to take it and distill near-pure alcohol himself and make something that actually works in just one evening. I'd imagine he should possess the ability (and probably access to materials) to create solid rocket fuel too. And if he already knew horses can't go even HALF of 88mph, I never got the point of wasting his time and risking an accident trying it. And to me it would have made more sense to pull the car with the train rather than push it, because he could always cut the car loose and stop the car without having to stop the train before the windmill. Doc turned into a bit of an idiot by #3.
If he used the delorean that doc buried in 1885 and used it to go back to the future, there would be a paradox because that time machine was the one that Marty would use to get to 1885 70 years later. If he used it when he got to 1885 he would never be able to get to 1885 from 1955. Confused? Probably.
Lacking gasoline, Doc could also have built an electric motor to replace the engine in the Delorean and siphon power for it from Mr Fusion, or create a beefy battery bank to stick under the hood/in the trunk. He certainly would have known how, and might even already have one built at the time. They still likely would have used the railroad tracks as a good place to drive the car. A long grade could also be used to help the electric motor get the vehicle to 88. (Don't think a long grade would let it get to 88 on its own though)
Clearly. Marty asks him if he's going to the future next and Doc says "No. Already been there." Then to prove it he shows that the train can fly. The way the reveal is set up obviously implies Doc modded the train in the future.
I don't know... We know that hover tech was invented sometime between 1985 and 2015 so Doc would have had to take a the train on a track blindly into the late 20th or early 21st century. So beside being uncertain that the rail even still exists on the date he needs to get to, the train would need to stay parked there long enough for Doc to hit the town on foot and gather the supplies he needs for the hover conversion. Rail lines are pretty hard to find that existed since the 1890s AND are also traveled so infrequently by rail traffic that he could leave a steam locomotive parked un-noticed long enough to hoof it into town and buy parts. No, if he can build a time machine from 1890s materials, he could build whatever he needed to make it hover as well. I would say that steam powered time machines make hover tech look like child's play. Doc scraped what he could from the buried DeLorean knowing that 1955 Doc would repair it for Marty. From that he fabricated whatever else he needed.
But we already know from the plot of the 3rd film that the railway line in hill valley exists in 1985. And doc's already been to 2015, so there's a decent chance (if he has a good memory or has something to help him cheat, like say the equivalent of an ebook reader or whatever) that he knows the condition and layout of the railway lines in hill valley in 2015 or whatever date he needs to get to. The big risk is hitting a train in the future. But if he can avoid that, all he needs to do is get the train onto a siding or somewhere else that doesn't see frequent use, or only has trains entering it at low speed. (trains can in fact stop if they see a visual obstruction if they go slowly enough. - below about 25 mph. - which is the kinds of speeds you get on sidings, freight yards and so on.) If you get lucky and avoid hitting a train, you'll probably be alright. Otherwise... Well... I don't fancy the chances of anyone involved in a crash like that. A large steam engine doing 90 mph appearing out of nowhere? That'll be one hell of a crash.
The real question is, how did Marty's hearing remain intact after the first 5 minutes of the first film? The explosion alone would have blown his ear drums. 🤔 Unless, that was Doc's original plan: "Find the only human being whose supernatural eardrum strength could survive such a blast..." ...as foretold by the prophecy in The Great Scientist's Almanac of Yore...
I've always wondered why would Doc be in such a panicked rush when returning to Marty in the 'fixed' 1985 time point to implore him to come now as his not yet existent son has a key moment that needs to be changed 30 years from then. Doc, did you forget that having your own time machine literally means you never have to hurry to any point in the past nor the future again? lol They got all the time in the world before then traveling to July 15, 2015 Hill Valley.
@@kevinw712 True. Another diddy that's usually glossed over, is that in part III Marty gives Doc the gift of grief after saving Ms. Clayton, by informing him that the ravine was named after a teacher who fell in... even though the paper Marty read in 1955 stated that he (Doc) was "survived by his beloved Clara". Are we to believe so easily that Doc just so happen to be nearby twice: once by himself and the other with an unwitting Marty? What was Doc doing near the ravine by himself?
@@jochanxwretch I noticed that, but then I realized that Doc was actually supposed to pick Clara up from the station (this obviously skipped his mind after Marty showed up) but we can assume that it didn't skip his mind originally and the meeting still lead to _love at first site_ . This all then begs the question, what happened in original timeline of which neither Doc nor Marty were part. My guess is that, absent Doc, nobody else was available to pick Clara up and she resorted to the same plan of renting/buying the horse and cart that she rent/brought when Doc forgot to pick her up, this time of course Doc wasn't around to save her and... So I guess we can assume that from the moment Doc picked Clara up from the station and the moment Delorian arrived back in 1985 in BTTF III, the ravine remained with it's original Native American name.
I think the catalyst for the whole trilogy was when Marty experienced a trauma after setting fire to the living room rug. His alcoholic mother beat the crap out of him while his dad called him a chicken.This led Marty to seek a father figure elsewhere (Doc). He also started engaging in irresponsible and high-risk behavior (hitching a skateboard ride on cop cars, being tardy for school showed a clear hostility to authority figures) not respecting others' property (stealing from children and from his employer; blowing Doc's speaker; breaking into Biff's grandmother's hous; sneaking into George's room to manipulate him), planning a sexual assault of his young mother, and was spiraling toward an unhealthy obsession with firearms. Doc had his own issues. He was palling around with terrorists, bribing police officers, manufacturing a firearm, trespassing/dumping in an abandoned mine, and used the time machine for his own financial gain, all without the least bit of care about how his knowledge of the future or actions would affect the timeline.
@@fartspit8714 Remember? George was supposed to say "Hey You, get your damn hands off her" but it was Biff (for real) instead of Marty (an act). That's a bonafide interpretation there.
He was NOT planning on sexually assaulting his own mother. His younger 1955 mother was coming onto HIM and he panicked as he knew it would erase him and his siblings from history.
MARTY trusted DOC in 1955 with the DeLOREAN time machine and DOC may or may not have looked at or photographed or even drawn any of the DeLOREAN's systems or even removed and studied them
That means when 2nd doc, doesn't get killed, it's because he has all his old memories of Marty, and he had to wait, to invent the time machine in 1985, even though he already knows how to build it... Or did he always see the time machine and it took him that long to make the technology happen...
21chch true, but, Doc had already discovered the flux capacitor in 1955. And it had still taken him that long to make the time machine, because he needed 1.21 gigawatts of power, which apparently needs plutonium fueled nuclear reactor. So, no matter what, he had to wait for the Libyans anyways.
Of all the film theories and out-there stretches and analyses, I have to say this was, I think, the first and only one that really resonates and makes me smile, laugh and happy, as a "hmm what if" scenario. I dont really care about moves anymore in life, but, BTTF has a special place, and this theory is really wonderful, thank you for making this.
I have a theory, that when Doc was going through the video camera he had already seen himself get shot by the teroist , so when Marty tried to warn Doc by a letter, he had already knew his fate, but he trusted Marty to return to 1985.
@@mrbenwong86 However, the videotape does include Doc's "they found me" line. Being as smart as he is, Doc could have put it together at some point during his pre-1st-movie conflict with the terrorists. He's just angered people who wanted to use massively destructive weapons (by stealing needed components of said weaponry), who else would "they" refer to? My guess is that sometime while he was stealing the plutonium and/or making the fake bomb out of pinball machine parts, he remembered seeing that part of the tape, realized it meant the terrorists would end up finding him, and decided to tape the letter back together on the (correct) assumption that this is what Marty was so distressed about back in the fifties. From that he learned the details that the terrorists would shoot at him, and when, so that he'd know to bring the vest.
DOC had the DeLOREAN end up in the path of the train so it would be destroyed by the train because he knew MARTY wouldn't destroy it and MARTY would spend the rest of his life trying to fix it and try to save DOC
Could be. Doc maybe knew that a train would be passing through that area at that time and had Marty enter that exact destination time. He did want the DeLorean destroyed. Maybe Doc knew the train schedules?
The idea of Doc dedicating his life to constantly saving Marty's actually makes their friendship more endearing to me. To anyone who's ever lost a good friend, we all have wished we could turn back time - the idea that Doc had the means and the follow through warms my heart.
Quite a bit. How many times did it take to pull off the building jump, or the train destroyed, and then showing up right after to assure Marty he's okay so he didn't worry or become depressed like in the game lol
Was I one of the only ones who thought after seeing their channel name "oh, so film theoriests got a new logo." Only to find out it's not matpat's film theory?
so its like Groundhog Day where Phil goes around taking care of the town, like being just on time to save the kid falling from the tree. we have no idea how many times he repeated the same actions until it all came out right.
Pauly Lewis What's nice about this frame of thought, of the story, is _Groundhogs Day_ wasn't even filmed yet. Meaning, that such a possible theory wouldn't be tarnished as a "copy cat"...
That was a time loop, not really time travel. We do have an answer to how long it was though. I think MatPat did a video on it based on how many hours it takes to master a skill and the number of new skills he masters you can guestimate roughly the minimum number of time he would have been stuck in the loop.
the difference is that Doc was voluntarily going back, while in Groundhog Day it was forced upon him. the similarity is that both are looping until the desired outcome is reached. Doc knew what he wanted when he started, but Phil Connors had to figure out why he was looping with no real clues.
JustinEvitable80 so he just happened to find a train track from 1895, that still existed in 2015? The train still needs to be on a track when it arrives in the future.
cmdraftbrn you think he has a map with him that shows every single rail in that area? Or maybe he was obsessed with trains? He had to go where he KNEW a rail would be. Remember, they knew the bridge would be built. But how would he know what rails were or weren’t in the future?
It's not that hard. They knew the 1885 train line existed in 1985 - Doc even says so explicitly. The bridge under construction would be finished and fully functional in 1985 2015 is 30 years later. Better still, Doc has BEEN to 2015 (and after) multiple times. Barring major timeline changes he'd probably know if there were railway lines in 2015, and in what kind of condition they're in... he's got the knowledge of those future periods by having visited. The only question is whether he made a note of stuff like railway lines in the future or not. But I mean, if you're going to time travel you'd be wise to keep records of what's present in various timelines. The Delorean isn't much safer - go into the past or the future and you could hit a tree, or a building, or anything else. Just because there's a road somewhere in 1985 doesn't mean it's still there in the same state in 2015... That's precisely the same kind of risk...
KuraIthys he only travelled once to 2015 using roads. That was a gamble, sure. But there are open areas he can drive on that give him a good likelyhood of not hitting anything. A train on a fixed rail tho? After the first trip to the future, he got flying tech which takes the chance of hitting a tree, to nill
While this is fun the theory is really grasping and depending on movie tropes and coincidences for evidence. But I actually want to talk about the Train. WHY does everyone assume doc built a flying train in 1885? All he needs is to somehow build a rudimentary flux capacitor and get the train up to 88 mph. He already proved he could do that when sending Marty back. So he hijacks ANOTHER train. and the first place he travels to is 2015. THERE and THEN is when he retrofits the train with all the futuristic parts and makes it fly. That's how I always thought it was when I first saw it as a kid. I never thought he made all that with 1885 tech and his smarts. Also he probably sold a bunch of rare old west artifacts that were in mint condition to afford sprucing up the train.
what if repaired the delorean in the mines. went to the future, did the train thing, went back to put the car away again making sure it was busted....okay this is far fetched. I totally thought the same that he went to the future to make the train fly. but let say that maybe not...in this case the hoverboard might have gave the doc some help in working out the whole deal. (but I do not believe in this one just a simple tought.
You are grasping just as much with your theories. And while your theories are convenient explanations that any hack writer would devise because of lack of creativity, the video's theories on why Doc keeps directing Marty to certain places, why Doc keeps showing up at precise moments where Marty should be dead, are deep and layered and in the end make sense. On the flip side of that, to say Doc showing up so many times to save Marty at the last second when he was clearly going to die is only coincidence is short minded at best. The explanation that Doc saw Marty die before in an alternate timeline fits best and is very clever.
@@bezzaderbane9890 A rhetorical thesis is about as logical as using a net to try to carry water. If you're going to make the title of your video a question, you sure as hell better answer it.
Regarding the tunnel: Doc was in a flying DeLorean which means he has a bird's eye view of both the tunnel and road. He was waiting at the end of the tunnel, but he sees Biff's car emerge, do a quick turn and head back into the tunnel. Now even though he is a scientist, it wouldn't take one to guess that Biff's actions mean he's after Marty; so Doc realizes that he needs to get to the other end of the tunnel ASAP if he's going to be of any help to Marty. This would explain why he was there waiting to help. Regarding the top of Biff's hotel. When Marty 1st arrives he goes to the edge looking for Doc; for whatever reason, Doc was late getting there but it was part of there plan for Doc to meet Marty on the roof. Of course Doc does arrive which Marty can see, so he just steps off the roof and into the DeLorean.
For the tower, was Doc at watch the whole time? Marty was struck and was unconscious for some time (which Doc wouldnt have known since he was nowhere around when that happened)? How could they still sync up?
I suddenly feel that a cooler version of the scene would be Doc then flying through the tunnel to chase after Biff and over taking, above him, at the last second, to rescue Marty.
The tunnel is extremely long. Doc was directly above the exit. Somehow he knew exactly when to turn on his landing lights and drop the flags. He'd also have to know that Marty would be the first out the tunnel. Marty could have been behind the car, in the car, still in the tunnel, whatever, but he Knew that he needed to save him the way he did. When Marty reaches the edge of the roof, he's frustrated that there's no way down. From his vantage point, he'd see the entire plaza. If Doc was anywhere near the hotel, Marty would have seen him coming. He had to be only seconds away, and arrived during the confrontation with Biff. He had to know exactly when to be there, exactly where he had to be, AND he had to know to come dangerously close to that spot of the hotel and fly directly upward. If Doc and Marty agreed to meet on the roof, the Doc would fly in from above to find a good landing spot. Biff and Marty were only on the roof for barely a single minute before the Doc was crawling straight up the side of the hotel. If they came out while the Doc was surveying the roof, he had less than a minute to figure out what was happening, what to do, where to go, and actually get over into position. On top of all of that, he knew *exactly* when to throw open the door! DeLoreans have incredibly poor visibility from inside. There's no way he could have seen Biff from below while he was that close to the wall of the hotel. So many extremely close *exact* coincidences of saving Marty's life, and he has a time machine. I don't think it's a stretch at all to think this all could have been going on. We know Doc made lots of trips without Marty, so who knows?
I would love with the courthouse *doc walks up, lines the shot, MISSES* "Damn, wait maybe i can still get the shot" *shoots twice more, missing* "damn, damn" *explaining to marty later* "You have no idea how many attempts it took me, it was going to be amazing I was going to shoot the rope and save your life and show tannen i wasn't to be pushed around but I hadn't taken into account factors like wind resistance and temperature...."
To be fair, Rick and Morty started as a parody of Back to the Future so it's unsurprising that this whole video reads like an episode of Rick and Morty
Makes sense actually. My gripe with 2 was always you don't need to go to the future to change the future but Doc wanting Marty to learn first hand makes sense!
Adam Hawk I didn’t want to point fingers, but yeah that’s probably what’s really going on here. Heck the first theory on this channel (IT and The Shining) is exactly the same as one of MatPat’s theories, and he posted it way earlier.
Yes but remember how when doc knows everything that will happen to him cause he put that bullet proof vest cause he knew he was gonna get shot that’s my theory
Marty goes back on the same day that Doc "invents" time travel. It always felt strange how Doc had all those theories about how Marty may have altered time when looking at the photograph. Now that I think about it some more, Doc maybe already new that Marty had the flyer in his pocket and why he suggests the use of lightning to produce the 1.21GW of power. Make you want to ponder. Great work!
I have a question about the flying DeLorean getting hit by the lightning and sent to 1885. In the letter, doc says that the flying circuits were destroyed and it would never fly again, so how did he manage to safely land it, when he arrived in 1885, if the flying circuits were destroyed? Wouldn't he have died in a horrendous crash upon arrival? He wasn't flying around near 88 mph, the strike only powered the flux capacitor, and is why you see the spiraling (backwards 99 or inverted 66) flame trails, which means, doc was sent backwards in an uncontrollable spin, and most likely hit the ground, in a spectacular fireball, thus killing him instantly.
He was wearing his seatbelt? There were numerous trees to cushion the descent? He managed to angle it toward a nearby river and his seat can be used as an emergency flotation device? The seat has an emergency eject and parachute system? This seems most feasible, given that hover converting in the.... future?... would have to take safety precautions. What I'm wondering is how such a crash wouldn't attract attention, or how Doc could have repaired all the structural damage before burying the DeLorean in the mine.
@@Qwentar Some small aircraft have a parachute recovery system to enable the plane to land safely in the event of an emergency where the plane is unable to glide back to a runway for an emergency landing. Since the future hover-cars don't appear to have any form of wings or control surfaces it makes sense that they might have something like this. Look up: Cirrus parachute recovery system. Also, he didn't look like he was more than 25-50 feet off the ground, a hard landing but survivable with minor injuries if he was wearing a seatbelt.
My theory is, as car does fall down from hovering in the future (this is what breaks George's back in 2015), the hover equipped car must have some unseen feature included to protect the passengers when the hover fail, maybe external airbag that soften the fall.
Young and Old Jennifer saw each other. Looked each other in the eye. Present Doc had his back turned to past Doc for that same reason. They'd both faint also had they made eye contact
Jules you just ruined my timeline with this theory!! lol great work! My dad introduced my brother and I to Back to the Future when we were really young, so it’ll be so awesome to show him this video! Keep up the great work!
When you mention Marty being Docs totem, it nearly brings a tear to my eye. Thats the thing I always loved about these movies is that they always needed the other on their journey for things to go "right".
FANTASTIC VIDEO! We all love the trilogy and my guess is that nobody has ever laid out the "DOC SAVES MARTY THEORY" before you so Kudos. I can't wait to read the comments and see what other fans are saying. Keep up the great work.
There's a slight hole in the theory. If Doc only wanted the best for his friend he would have gone back and stopped Marty from having the car accident that ruined his hands. Therefore erasing the events of both 2 and 3 and saving a lot of heart ache of watching Marty die over and over.
Theory: Marty's temper getting triggered by being called a chicken in movies 2 and 3 is because of the changes he made in his parents' lives in the first movie. At some point in the new timeline between 1968 and 1985, young Marty became super sensitive to being called chicken. And, just like how he started fading out of existence, present-Marty is being affected and changed by the past events of the new timeline.
hackman669 Yeah, but he didn’t realize his mistake until Marty mentioned the whole “Clayton ravine” thing. So he does meddle with it but not intentionally at first
Well, to be honest, does it really matter about the whole naming of the ravine? What I mean to say is, Doc saving a person who is _supposed_ to die, is necessarily going to change the timeline isn't it? I thought this while watching the film recently, when Marty and Doc make the connection about Clara Clayton and the ravine I thought..."hold on guys, what does it matter the ravine is now going to called something different? Now there's a whole life that's going to be lived that shouldn't have! Anything could come of her or any of her offspring". This makes me think that the 1985 that Marty ends up in is going to be radically different than the 1985 he grew up in. Case in point, we can assume that when Doc first went back to 1855 he picked Clara up from the station, but he didn't _think_ he was doing anything utterly cosmically spectacular, he was just running a simple errand....But as we now know, it wasn't simple, by him not being there to do that she originally died! This proves that when Marty went to 55 for a week or so and 1885 for a similar time and Doc to 1885 for months, they altered history dramatically, even if they did _apparently_ mundane things.
@@carlhartwell7978 That's the paradox of doing anything in the past. You just walking down a street could trigger different events that would happen or not. For example, George McFly being hit by the car triggered the whole first movie plot, because Marty interfered. Imagine that situation with you walking down the street in the 50s. A dude just looks at you, but he was supposed to cross a street and nearly get hit by a car. If he didn't look at you he could avoid it, but got distracted and he got run down. Let's imagine he's the father of a future president, something like that, that would completely change history y'know? Simple things like that, it's fun to think about
Carl Hartwell well they did call it something different if you could see when Marty was coming back from 1885, it showed that they ended up naming it after Marty bc he called himself Clint Eastwood so I think it was “Eastwood ravine” bc ppl probably thought he was still on the train when the train fell Ik it really ain’t the main point of what you saying I was just saying it
Great Scot! The paradoxes in some of these theories could rip apart the space/time continuum and destroy the entire universe! Doc Brown read the letter, wore the bullet proof best, and allowed Marty to believe he witnessed his friend and mentor’s gruesome murder, causing him to then be chased by the Libyans, because Doc knew if he didn’t, there would be a time paradox. However, if he saves Marty from jumping off the roof or from being run over, or being hung, or being shot, he never witnessed any of these events from taking place, therefore, could not go back in time to save him. Paradox. Universe destroyed.
agedude44 but if Marty never dies, then Doc doesn’t have a reason to go back in time to alter the events. We may not officially witness the effects of time paradoxes in the film, but are simply forced into believing that the always right Doc Brown knows what he is talking about, even if he’s a little eccentric. Now then, while I said we never officially witness the effects of time paradoxes, think about this: In BTTF 2, 2015 Biff steals the sports almanac and gives it to 1955 Biff so that he can make his fortune. We know this alternate timeline took place, because we, the audience, saw it. However, alternate Biff, being the dim witted bully that he is, probably didn’t think that he needed to steal the book and the time machine, or where it could possibly be, just that “a kid or a wild eyed Einstein in a time machine” may someday meet up with him, and if that ever happens, kill them. It was more important to kill the heroes, even if he meets them in 2015. Since mega rich alternate Biff wouldn’t be hanging out near the Cafe 80s waxing his grandsons car, he wouldn’t ever know where or when to steal these things, so the time paradox occurs, and when 2015 travels back to his alternate time, while Marty and Doc deal with Jennifer at their future home, he struggles getting out of the car and we don’t really see what happens to him or where he goes... ...he disappeared... ...because he cannot be there since his never went back in time. “Erased from existence.”
th-cam.com/video/124-bZmfbPQ/w-d-xo.html This is the deleted scene where Biff actually does painfully fade out of existence. You see, in addition to him never waxing cars, preventing him from learning about the time machine, alternate 1985 Marty is supposed to be in Switzerland at a boarding school. So Marty never travels to 2015 with Doc, which not only furthers alternate 2015 Biff from learning about the time machine, but actually prevents the theft of it. Why the car is still there - the paradox somehow repaired itself rather than destroy the universe. The events of alternate 1985 and 2015 canceled the events Biff created in the original timeline. Biff either ceases to exist, or reverts back to the original state, where he’s still an auto detailer. He can’t be in front of the neighborhood since he never stole the car, but the car remains at its original location, because Biff was smart enough to park it exactly where it was when he altered time, so it naturally didn’t change locations. It goes back to when Doc tried to explain why it was ok to leave Jennifer and Einstein in alternate 1985. Things would revert back to original around them without knowledge. Had they failed in their mission. Jennifer would have woken up on the porch of someone else’s house, and most likely become institutionalized because she has no idea where her timeline is, just that she was supposed to live there with her family who are now missing. Unless her alternate self never meets Marty, since he’s supposed to be in Switzerland, and she most likely doesn’t even live in Hill Valley. Only thing that would have changed for Doc and Marty is that the sports almanac and biffs cane aren’t in the car, as it shouldn’t be, so they would have no clue what had happened. What’s really confusing is the fact that since the alternate 1985 never happened, the events we see, was some form of parallel universe where we can see all the timelines. Basically, with the cancellation of the alternate timeline due to the paradox, Marty and Doc pick up Jennifer and go home, and the story ends there. There is no third movie or even an animated series because they never had to travel back to alternate 1955 to steal the book, and Doc being sent to 1885.
There are no paradoxes in the physical universe, just physics Doc didn't yet understand and was afraid to even attempt to study with past events. I think that is part of the reason he decided to meddle with "future history", because the presumed destructive effects of a paradox would only affect the future from that point forward and not jeopardize his own existence. He began to suspect this fact on the night of the lightning storm when Marty told him that his dad had never stood up to Biff in his entire life. You can see he was puzzled slightly. He also read Marty's letter, but was cautious enough to stage the whole Lone Pine Mall debacle. So he really didn't give a crap about Marty's kids, he was just interested to see what would happen if he created a blatant paradox. In that case the paradox being that since he prevented Marty Jr.'s arrest, he wouldn't have witnessed the event to begin with. Then when Jennifer met herself, he quietly realized that true paradoxes can't happen, only alternate universes.
The one thing that has always got to me if how Biff was able to take the almanac to himself and come come back to the same future time line. If Biff was to make himself rich, he wouldn't be able to go back to the same timeline.
There’s a deleted scene in the second film when Biff fades away from existence. He gave the almanac to his younger self and when he got back to 2015 he faded away because of that because that Biff wouldn’t have existed if young Biff got rich and got killed by Lorraine
Jessica Francis they where for a little while that year but parents and toy company's said they where to dangerous and banned them for good also they way ahead of there time didn't take off to well the one in the film was a prototype they explain all this on the bonus behind the scenes
jake palmer they wouldn't be too dangerous for the military though and they don't have them :) it was just a joke by the producers lol there are no hoverboards
Another theory is that Biff acted humble all those decades to solve the time travel mystery. He gets a job as a detailer near George and Lorraine to get near Marty. Finally Marty is born and when he reaches a certain age Biff recognized him. At the end of the movie you see Biff eagerly wanting to please Marty to gather more info. Also him witnessing the DeLorean disappearing confirms his suspicions about time travel
Hmmm, not sure. At the end of BTTF 3, Marty asks Doc "Where you going, back to the future"? Doc answers "No, already been there". Thus the flying train must have been done in the future.
Well actually I see very plausible that the doc could make a time traveling train using as base the existing technology of the 1800s, but with the knowledge of a 1980s scientist, I mean I think that any of us could replicate inventions like the print or the mold, some even the electric generator, the transistor or the induction engine, imagine what the doc could do.
The induction motor/generator was invented in 1888, but that doesn't mean the quality of production achievable by Doc would match that of the 20th or 21st century. Sure, he could manufacture parts himself, but a whole flying train? In one mans lifetime? He surely must have come from the future as signified in the first BFFT when Doc appears at the end and they fly into the future similarily to the end of the third film.
well I was thinking about the ones in 3 a bit more and I don't think it's that he used a secret time machine. but rather, he knew that Marty and some other version of Doc would find the time machine he sealed away and get it working, and that Marty would not just use it to get back to the present and try to move on with his life. no that's way to out of character for Marty and Doc knows this. So my guess is he does take breaks from his workshop every so often to look out for any signs of Marty showing up. Which is why he doesn't get there at a better point to save him from accidentally getting that gang mad at him in the first place, so they could fix the car with out having to do that shootout at all. As He doesn't know exactly when Marty will show up, but he knows Marty will at some point and that he'll probably need something to Get Marty out of trouble and having a really good sniper riffle would be one of the more portable and useful things he could get/make at the time. Plus if he had a secret time machine it would of completely negated all the work they had to do to get the original one to send them back to the present. all they would of had to do then was make sure the car was destroyed completely this time and use the secret one to get out of there.
Glad I found this, it's extremely interesting. I'd never thought about any of this before; now, I'll have to go back and watch all three movies with this in mind. There's one other thing that puzzles me: If Doc Brown knew the Libyans were going to shoot him, why didn't he come up with some other way to power the time machine? Thanks!
Yeah, watch a side by side comparison. The altered time line where Marty ran over Peabody’s pine tree in 1955 changed twin pine mall into lone pine mall.
I think the only time traveling we did not directly see in the trilogy would be (1)Doc going further ahead in 2015 to see what happens post-October 21 and (2)Collecting currency from different eras to obtain the money in the emergency cash briefcase. Doc was adamant about not disrupting the continuum. After the whole alternate 1985 fiasco with Doc getting committed and Biff taking over everything, Doc was scared stiff about time travel. But Doc and Marty had to return to 1955 to burn the almanac, and Doc getting struck by lightning necessitated Marty’s trip to 1885.
If Marty would've have kept in under 88 mph, escaped the Libyans and Doc just died none of what befalls Marty would have happened in the first place. So maybe Doc felt bad and wanted to smooth out the rough edges of Marty's life.
In the novel for part 2, when Doc drops Marty off to get the book back from Biff, he waits at the other end of the tunnel for awhile, and when Marty doesn't appear, he realizes Marty must be in trouble and flies back the the other end of the tunnel and drops down that rope to help him.
6:20 it is more likely he heard the noise from his workshop so he went to check it out saw that an innocent person was being dragged and then hanged (not necessarily realising it was Marty) and shot the rope to save an innocent persons life.
I've always felt that doc browns motivation was saving his own life and that Marty was his tool for it. How many times Marty died meant nothing to DB as long as DB survived.
I know this is 2 years late to your video, which I love btw, but I had a couple things to add. I looked up this theory due to noticing things while watching them all again and I couldn't agree with you more. The first thing I noticed in the first one that gave me the idea that this wasn't the first time he'd gone through this and that there was a sort of loop going on and we were only seeing the version that actually continued was when Marty gave the future mayor the idea of being mayor. This scenario was different than his other actions that changed things in Marty's original present because we saw from earlier in the movie that signs were already up for him being mayor. This corroborates with your theory that he's already done this before. The idea i had was that each movie is us watching the version that actually breaks the loop that Marty was stuck in and continues on. If we were to watch previous versions it would be similar to Edge of Tomorrow with Doc being the only one with knowledge of the failed attempts. My other smaller theory that I would need to look into more is that Doc produces himself. We see the other characters family origins represented in the third movie but it seems like Doc produces his own past fortune and mansion.
On biffs mansion you can see that Marty looks over the ledge as if Doc's supposed to be there, so I think that if Marty didn't expect doc to be there he wouldn't have cornered himself like this
6:00 There is more that I just realized. Body armor that could protect you from an AK-47 didn't exist in 1985. Though police were using body armor by the mid-80's, that armor could only stop a shot fired from a hand gun. Shots fired from a more powerful weapon wound not come out until after the turn of the century. Doc could have received the armor from a future version of himself. Also, Even in our time body armor would not look like that even now. It's possible Doc's armor came from beyond 2024.
Hang on, I just realised that there would have been two DeLoreans in 1885, why didn't the Doc fix the fuel line on the 1955 repaired DeLorean and syphon off the fuel from the one he stored on the old mine?
Doc wanted to preserve the DeLorean in the mine so that it would be found in 1955. Doc would have known that the first thing to do when storing a vehicle for any amount of time, especially 70 years, would be to drain all the fluids. Doc would have drained the gasoline and disposed of it before putting the car in the mine. He knew that all the proper fuel and oil would be available in 1955 to replace it.
@ The Reynolds: That makes sense, and it was several months until Marty showed up in 1885, so I guess the Doc would have used the fluids up doing some experiments.
The ripple effect? That's the Gale and Zemekis excuse for most of these things. The future takes a bit of time to change from the perspective of those travelling (and the objects they take with them) when the past is altered. Also time tries to resolve to the most similar solution. That's why photos, newspapers and printouts don't change immediately and also don't disappear entirely but just change to alternate versions.
Theres actually a deleted scene where after biff returns the delorean from giving his younger self the almanac, he is seen vanishing behind a car moaning in pain, much like Marty started disappearing on stage in the first film. Almost as if him giving himself the almanac made him live a shorter life and therefore would not exist in 2015. This scene was cut out but you can find it on youtube, however, in the 2nd film, they do show old biff getting out of the delorean once he returns to 2015 and he stumbles off looking to be in pain or in distress. I always wondered why he looked unwell after getting back from giving himself the almanac in 1955. It's a short scene, but I believe it's the last time we see old biff once he brings back the delorean. Very interesting to think he gave himself a shorter life by making himself a millionaire. Maybe he was murdered for money, or better yet, in a different timeline maybe he was murdered by Lorraine as revenge for killing George. Okay... now I'm confused. Going to leave this alone for now. Edit: after watching more vids, I saw something that said the writers and director had written in the script that Lorraine actually did shoot biff, but they took it out cause it made too many plot holes in the different timelines, the scene of biff returning the delorean in pain and leaving a piece of his cane is literally the only thing left of that plot idea in the actual film. Thought this was pretty cool
Not necessarily that he didn't exist in 2015, but that version of him. At least. Besides. According to Doctor Who, and apparently BTTF in certain instances, time will always try to avoid a paradox. So to avoid cataclysmic damage, time allowed Biff to return to his native timeline, just so Doc and Marty could have the Delorean again, before he vanished into nothing. Plus. He probably wasn't the only thing vanishing. The whole future was probably dissipating around Marty and Doc.
I always wondered how Doc was just there all of a sudden in the second movie after Biff had Marty trapped as well as the part when Marty almost got ran over in the tunnel. The old west part isn't as suspicious, but this theory makes complete sense. Very well done.
I have a theory that Doc Brown is immortal. Throughout his life, Doc had always made inventions, the Time Machine being one of only that actually worked. We know this because when Marty show's 1955 Doc the time machine, and proof of the Flux Capacitor's exsistance and correct operation, he says to Marty qoute: "It Works, It WORKS, I've finally made something that works" Doc now has gained 30 years of Science and Technolagy, the technolagy of which being has own, within a matter of minutes, which puts him ahead of everyone else. Doc is now 30 years smarter thsn everyone else, as well as confident that the rest of his inventions would be successful. Doc was at the end of his life when he first demonstrated the Time Machine with Marty. He knew that there would be a 50/50 chance of it actually working, and if it didn't he would die in a suicide Attempt, taking marty with him, but we know this isn't the case. Know that Doc has the ability and the knowleadge of how the Tine Machine works, he can go anywhere, anytime throughout history. When he ends up in 2015 with Marty and Jennifer, he mentions he went to a rejuvenation clinic, where his Blood was cleaned, Hair treatment and 30 years of extended life. Doc could go back to that clinic in that same year, and later in the future where that technolagy has improved and evolved, and constantly gain his life expectancy, as well as inform past self(s) of these technolagies. So what we have is an immortal being that is exsiting similtaniously over multiple timelines, and in multiple years throughout the history of the world.
Scratch0921 I get what you’re saying, but if Marty dies at some point in the timeline, how would older Marty (Doc, example) go back to save him? He would be dead, wouldn’t he?
2:00 Well, when Marty asks him at the end "What about the whole speech about he time space continuum' etc, Doc did respond, "I figured, what the heck." 😉❤
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Now I finally understand that Doc used the other DeLorean as basic parts to build the train.
Nah, he probably had the information needed to build a working time machine. I'm pretty sure the basic systems are known, sort of how you can build a computer using relays or vacuum tubes if you know their inner workings. Said computer wouldn't be as sophisticated as a modern one but it would still work. In the same way, the time train probably wouldn't be as sophisticated as the DeLorean was but it still would work.
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Well I watched this video, and I'm not actually familiar with that theory? But I do like it all the same. However I can't really feel that it's all that grim and I'm not sure why you chose that word to describe this theory. But while we're on the subject of film theories I have one of my own, regarding the movie. The breakfast club. And I have looked all over the internet trying to see if someone else has noticed it but no one has ever even suggested it. And I don't know the first thing about starting my own website or a blog or what not or putting a video on TH-cam so is there any chance that you can do a video on my theory?
Umm Wrong. I wasted time looking for a comment to just up vote but this theory is soo incorrect. I dont see how its overlooked.
1) not only would he have to save Marty before he dies but your title would read how many times did Doc kill DOC to save Marty?!?
Idk how long i want to spend correcting this as kindly as i can but the fact that that you @9:15 mention ground hogs day my favorite movie shows you dont have a good grasp in my opinion. you mixed sending memories back in time and actually being to able to meet yourself (physical objects back in time) this is two very different time theories which dont play nice together at all in my understanding.
Soo short story small i see Marty A going downt the road hit by car. DOC A goes back in time
Doc A is alive and Doc B (future) soo DOC B kills Doc A who failed in this same split of time and makes the maneuver as you put it perfectly so as to save Marty A. You see its not memories as in groundhog day that are sent back but objects.
IF your saying that it branches more then he never actually saves marty because hes in a different string of time all together where Marty X is there and Doc A is not... But then the movie falls apart altogether.
Grr so many edits because its soo off. you state yourself be ok with multiple DOCS i am but they still would hold the same space unless they meet before.. soo it would be DOC A talks to DOC B but DOC A saves Marty A erasing DOC B ugh
so how many times are you going to say soo before you learn proper grammar?
SO what? lol
I love it! But Doc didnt make the train fly in the 1800's, he made it into a time machine, traveled to the future to upgrade it with flight, and then back to 1985 to visit marty
He had to have spent a long time in the future to get all those modifications. Clara didn't seem too enthused to see Marty! lol
@@ekwingate7512 i mean he did have 2 kids that look like they are what, 9 and 6?
True but I think the point is more that he was able to create a functional time machine out of the train. That demonstrates that he was capable of having multiple working time machines at a given time. At least in theory anyway. I mean the Doc has a case full money organized for various time periods, the guy has clearly planned ahead.
And wore those awful clothes in the future?
@@tomr6955 Absolutely. The guy who wants a flying train wouldn't show up wearing khakis.
Whoa this is heavy
Why is it heavy? Is there some problem with Earth's gravitational pull?
I know, I know.
Great Scott!
Do you realize what this means!?
Of course! There must be a problem with the Earth's Gravitational Field in the Future!
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According to the graphic novel short stories, Doc Brown built a smaller time machine which he rolled down a hill on. This allowed him to go to the early 21st century to get the hover parts required and the time travel parts from his workshop in 1986. He then went back and finished the train so that he could bring his family with him
wait. there is a graphic novel short story? wow...im such a shitbag for not knowing that. gonna have to check it out! thanks!
@@mrcontroversy222 yes there was quite a few! The producer for back to the future worked with writers and illustrators around 2014-2017 to produce multiple graphic novels. Even i didn't know about it until earlier this year until i went to the biggest comic book shop at my nearest city
I wonder how he built the smaller time machine. And what it was
@@madmettlepants7454 that's awesome!!! I'm happy to know that their is some literature that gives some background
I _just_ found this out! I have to check these out now! (May 13, 2020)
wow, you make the relationship between Doc and McFly sound so beautiful and full of meaning in their universe. They need each other to complete their purpose of life.
"Marty is Docs Totem, without him he is nothing"...damn near brought a tear to my eye because they have such a great on screen friendship and genuinely care about each other.
What if Doc was always grooming Marty from birth. Shortly after meeting his past self, Doc knows Marty's parents. He starts recording Marty's life since then. I always thought it was weird Marty's best friend is an old guy and his parents are cool with it
Almost like the Truman show
His parents weren’t cool with it because they weren’t paying attention. His mom was an depressed alcoholic and his dad a whimpering spineless nerd. You noticed before he came back from 1955 his actions changed his parents behaviors. The parents of the new time loop probably wouldn’t be cool with Marty being friends with the old weirdo up the street.
Maybe Doc helped out the couple early in their marriage and they decided to make Doc Marty’s Godfather in gratitude.
In the canon he had his first job sweeping for him so they became friends. Not everything is meant to be pedophilia just because its an old guy and marty hanging out.
Marty technically works for him.
The Back to the Future II instance was misinterpreted.
TL;DR - Marty had a plan to get off the roof. He was looking for Doc and saw him last second. Doc was talking about Old Biff choosing 1955 as a coincidence, not how he saved Marty.
In the alternate timeline, Alt Marty and Biff have a dealer and drug addict relationship. Alt Marty is constantly asking Biff for money. Because of this, Biff ordered his goons to beat up Marty to make him stay away. When he doesn't, he sends him to Switzerland to get rid of him likely at Lorraine's request instead of killing him or worse. Enter 1985 Marty who is bashed on the head and knocked out. Lorraine mistook Marty as Alt Marty and took him upstairs. Biff finds out and barges into the room screaming, "You're supposed to be in Switzerland you little punk!" After a display of domestic abuse, Biff threatens Marty to leave and Marty learns about his father's death.
This set up moves the narrative forward in the film and gives Marty's motivation for retrieving the almanac in 1955. It also shows the world as a living one because in order to find out where Young Biff got the almanac, they have to return to the tower to find out. Due to the encounter from before, Biff tighten security. No one could enter the building with out specialized training... or a helicopter. Doc has a flying car.
Marty entered the building via the roof. Biff asks, "How'd you get past my security downstairs?" Marty brushes it off only caring about the almanac. The rest of the scene plays out and we get to the moment you reference in your video.
You correctly concluded that Marty being trapped on the roof was not part of his plan. However, Marty was looking for Doc, hence his frustration. As I said before, Doc dropped Marty off via the roof. Doc's absence was likely due to the fact that he couldn't just hover in plain sight. The attention might have hindered Marty as he interrogated Biff, so he left to remain undetected. On his return approach, he probably saw Biff and Marty's stand off and flew into position with the intention of alerting Marty. Luckily Marty happened to look over the edge and see the Delorean.
Proof -
Biff: Kid, I OWN the police! Besides, they couldn't match up the bullet that killed your old man.
Marty: You son of a- *cut off by Biff cocking the hammer *
It's here that Marty checks for Doc again and sees him. He slowly looks back at Biff with the idea of dropping onto the Delorean and using the shock value of seeing him alive as a FU moment before Doc and he go to 1955.
Biff: I suppose its poetic justice. Two McFlys with the same gun!
Marty drops off the ledge. Biff, baffled by Marty's decision, takes 13 seconds to walk up to the edge to see Marty fall, only to be knocked out cold by Doc's door. Marty then tells Doc that they have to go back to 1955. Doc states that it is unbelievable that Old Biff would have chosen that particular date. That is the coincidence he is referring to not saving Marty the way he did.
Doc: Unbelievable that Old Biff could have chosen that particular date. It could mean that point in time inherently contains some sort of cosmic significance. Almost as if it were the temporal junction point for the entire space-time continuum. On the other hand, it could just be an amazing coincidence.
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In the tunnel instance. If Doc was flying over head he would have seen Biff come out the other end revving the car so it would have made since for him to come out on the other end.
In the hanging scene Biff and his goons go through time firing their guns which would natural alert people of somethinfg bad going on. Doc initially did not know it was Marty when it happened.
Biff didn't choose 1955, it was on the time circuits from before.. Doc had to show Marty how to use it.. How would Biff even know how to..
Maybe, the reason why Doc insists on preventing Marty from meddling with the timeline is because two people indepently meddling with time would cause unpredictable results. As this theory suggests, Doc is methodical, and attentive and plans the moment in which he decides to make changes. However, Marty's poor impulsive decissions would cause a big mess, thus, Doc's (probably infantile) excuse of "don't interfere or the universe will explode". How on Earth could he know that it would destroy the galaxy? He doesn't, but falsely warns Marty, as this is the only scenario in which Marty would stop interfering.
And that's why he gave Marty a few seconds to exit the DeLorean after returning to 1985 on the railroad... to ensure the destruction of Marty's time vehicle.
I always assumed that Marty told Doc off screen to come and pick him up off the roof of Biff's Pleasure Paradise, and he was frustrated because Doc wasn't there yet, but he jumps when he sees the Delorean.
Caleb Custom Bricks he looks over the edge before he jumps, nobody ever notices that
That would also add an answer to Biff's question
"How'd you get past my security downstairs?""
@@Juan_Pablo_81 Yes! I've always wondered about that line, great theory!
Yep, they had walk-in talkies, and probably some other cool future com inventions.
CR spring17 they didn’t use the walkie talkies until they returned to 1955.
This is the best fan theory on these movies I have found so far. Standing ovation.
i found another one where it shows how these movies are linked to the movie The Walk.
Very interesting.
@@bertjesklotepino whatttttt?
@@raymondlopez5974 Are you a serious person who is really interested in what i mean to say, or are you joking?
I ask this because i dont have patience for people who are only joking.
@@bertjesklotepino I was interested because I've never heard such a thing. Is the walk a film or a youtube movie or tv show?
@@raymondlopez5974 The Walk is a movie launched in 2015. In Oktober. Just like Back to the Future already "predicted".
Its about a guy walking a rope between those 2 towers in New York.
Back to the Future doesnt just predict that, you know.
It is difficult to not see the symbolism in this movie.
You may think im a crackpot, but just have a look at how this movie, Back to the future, has links to 9/11.
Sure, nonsense, i know.
But keep in mind that Solzhenitsyn already said ages ago that the entire world media is controlled by those who also committed the crimes in Russia in the time of the Bolsheviks.
In other words: The fact that the world media is silent about the enormous crimes committed by the Bolsheviks is proof that the entire world media is in the hands of its perpetrators.
Now: The one who produced this movie is part of the team that also produced a movie based on a fictional book, but sold it to the audience as being a true story.
Just look into it and you will find what movie im talking about here.
Have an open mind.
Back to the future clearly depicts a tragedy that is going to happen......
Its not what some want to see.
Its actually there.
And to deny it is basically denying that propaganda exists.
Propaganda does exist.
It existed when Goebbels was alive.
It did not die when Goebbels died.
In other words: Belgian Babies were eaten by Germans, in the first world war.
If you can believe that.
Sure, im a crackpot. I know.
Just look at todays world, and ask yourself this simple question: Who is benefitting from all of it?
Is it humanity?
Is it black people?
White people?
Who is?
Its not that difficult to see.
And no, it aint no Bin Laden or any of his 19 Muslim friends flying any airplanes into buildings, gaining NOTHING in return.
NOTHING!!!!
They didnt get sympathy
They didnt earn any money.
They didnt prove anything.
THEY GAINED NOTHING.
Who did gain money, and sympathy?
Lucky Larry Silverstein and his friend Netanyahu.
Or didnt they?
I dont know what you know, just that now you know how the world works.
You may put on the blinders if you want, to stay in the bubble and live life as an illusion. Or you may say: damn, this is not good for the future of humanity and the rest of it.
Either way: When the sacrifice of thousands of people is required to get millions of people to fall for another hoax, then in my opinion we could just as well launch them bombs and get it over with.
2 nukes should do the trick to trigger a chain reaction.
Very nice... it even makes more sense when you remember what Doc said to Marty in 1885.
“That’s exactly how you get into that accident in the future”
Jules is right. Doc is constantly saving and trying to teach him and at this moment. Doc almost just blurted it out... that’s awesome!!!
EnoDekciwEht Films 2 and 3 were written/filmed together. It was foreshadowed in Part II, Marty will get into an accident, difficulties with the term "chicken", and the actions of _'How to correct future events (Part II and Part III)' vs _'How to correct the past/1955's present-day (Part I)_
Wow, blown away and make me love BTTF even more. It adds so much more depth and beauty. Shows how much Doc and Marty need each other.
Wasn't there a Cracked video about this and a bunch of 3 year-old Reddit posts too? I loved the video, but Jules needs to give credit to his sources!
It is just post hoc rationalizations. You can make just about any theory fit if you construct after the movie is made. In reality, the script makers likely did not think of every small detail.
yes it has been regurgitated quite a bit but clearly the dipshits in this thread haven't been "woke" yet
Idiot.
rick nineg , 2 massive things here, yeah.....but still don’t know why Doc in BTTF 3 after Marty rips a black flexible fuel line didn’t go to the mine shaft where he left the time machine from lighting strike drain the gas and take off the black fuel line. Doc Brown from 1955 could of easily replaced fuel line and gas. Also in BTTF 1 didn’t Doc and Marty get very lucky in 1955 when Marty was just a few minutes away from returning to 1985 that it didn’t start raining. Water and electricity aren’t friends and Doc (1955 ) and ( 1985 Doc therefore wouldn’t exist.) The time machine would’ve disappeared around Marty and also Marty may have died as a result of electrocution or at best stuck in 1955 onwards and had to live the rest of his life in Hill Valley without Doc Brown. Also the night Marty was supposed to return to 1985, Marty would’ve seen Doc dead and with the Time Machine erased from existence, Marty would’ve fled the scene absolutely terrified ( with no way back to 1985 ) the police would be on their way sometime further into the night. Sliding doors moment right there. Lucky it rained later that night and not earlier.
The 1955 Doc knows everything from those couple of weeks he spent time with Marty.
I always liked that look Doc gives Marty when they meet at twin pines. It's like- yup, here we go.
@Mike DeMarco Well, we've just seen one of possible futures and pasts, so what if there is multiple alernative versions of future and pasts as that one alternative of 1985 we've seen in second movie? ;)
When Doc met Marty at Twin Pines, all that stuff in 1955 hadnt happened yet.
A way old west Doc could have got the train time machine: After Marty's time jump, he goes full into building another time machine with materials available in the era. He spends all time on it, and, works for many years. Clara is fed up and leaves him. sometime in the 20s; when he is near death: he makes a time machine of a ....primitive nature, and, it only has energy for two jumps before it is worthless. He goes back to 1885, passes his past self the time machine, and, the 1885 Doc goes to like......2567 or something; a time so far in the future, you can order steam punk train time machines from Ebay.
Your theory is funny if they sell TM on eBay what is to stop them from using it to make themselves the “creators” of Temporal Relocation and practically destroy the timeline for their on person gain like on BTTF2, if you catch my drift
Lol. Worth it. Nice punchline...
I actually just realized Marty McFly NEVER had any friends of his age except for his girlfriend in the whole trilogy
In the first movie, he tells Jennifer that he told his mom that he was going camping with his friends instead of her. This means that Marty does have (male) friends that his mom knows about. The other guys from his band "The Pinheads"are also his friends.
What about his band?
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Ur right but I mean like he never spoke to any of his friends other than jennifer
Think about it from a filmmaking point of view. Why would the filmmakers waste time and money to film a scene that establishes he has a group of friends (which play no role in the film whatsoever anyway) when they could just explain it in one quick line of dialogue??
@@jammycammy7557 Plus there's the scene with the band which you can assume are friends too.
"Trump towe- SORRY"
i'm done
Trump=Biff=Alpha Male
Stops watching after one joke. Mature.....
Chris Fryer don’t think that’s what they were implying
I thought the Trump Tower thing was funny because I have a sense of humor.
LOL
There actually was two time machines in the 1800’s ... doc’s that was buried in cave and the same one after Marty went back.
Doc's buried one has to stay as it is though, or Marty might not be able to use it to get back to 1885 at all
But what if he used it to save Marty and then buries it back?
Grayson J. Stedman jr. exactly, good point!
I think doc sees Marty hanging in the middle of town, goes back in time to save him, then puts back the time machine after breaking it again to cover his tracks
Ali3nat0r but Marty at that point had made it back to 1885 that loop had run its course.
God i love how chill these videos are and how they aren't just the same theories spouted out by every other channel, please keep up the great work with this channel.
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This movie taught me not to make bad decisions. Even though they are assholes who push your buttons to make you angry. It has taught me to be angry and not sin.
They are most likely not original theories though, which would make this channel way better.
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that is beautiful: Doc is Marty's guardian angel and Marty is his totem.
Aww how cute. 😊😭
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Kinky
The questions I really want to know are these.
When Marty went to 2015, why was he not listed as missing for ~26 years when he arrived? An older Marty in 2015 implies that his leaving didn't alter the timeline at all, and that a second Marty magically popped into his timeline replacing him, and continued on as if he never went. Which doesn't fit the themes of the movies. Either that, or else the future already accounts for Marty having gone to 2015, succeeded, returned to 1989, and then lived his life normally until 2015. If that was the case, why wasn't old Marty expecting young Marty, and why couldn't Doc just ask old Marty what to do before going back to get him?
Because Doc would drop him home the second they left but as we know in back to the future things write in the present(hence why he disappeared slowly in the first movie and not intantaniously, which is why future Marty was there in 2015 but as the event was unfolding currently he did not have memories or expirence changes until after current Marty was returned home.
The question you asked actually leads to a totally different plot hole, but first I will answer your question.
The reason the Marty isn't considered missing is actually because when Marty went to the future with Doc, it created a new timeline. Doc saw what Marty's future lived out was and went back to the past to get him to bring him to the original timeline's future. Now we have two Marty's in the future because that life was lived out. It's technically the same concept of how there's multiple Martys and Docs in the second half of the movie when they go back to the past. It kinda breaks the timeline, but it still makes sense within their explanation of how things work...up to a point. Here's where the completely different plot hole comes in.
By introducing this dilemma, it totally turns the first movie on its head, especially with the ending. If you recall in the second movie, when Marty goes back to the altered 1985, Biff comments that he thought he was in a boarding school in Switzerland, alluding to the fact that there's two different Martys in this timeline now. Cool, makes sense because it's a alternate timeline. If that's the case however, then at the end of the first movie when Marty alters the timeline to make his parents "better", he should have entered a new timeline with an already existing Marty...where is the Marty of this timeline? That in itself is a HUGE plothole introduced by the second movie, one that I don't think is ever addressed.
Wow, how did you not know the answer to this. The Marty of the new timeline at the end of the first movie is the one we see from a distance wearing the hazmat suit and jumping into the delorean.
@@jughead4845totally agree as long as the writers did that on purpose. They don't have to be aware of string theory to create a storyline that's complicated but I don't think that they really thought through alternate timeline possibilities and all that. Let alone that the time machine can only go backwards and forwards in time but not across timelines or other universes.
If they had purposely heard about string theory and design something the way marvel did then that would be super awesome
If you look at this movie from the perspective that you can only have a linear travel situation then you can't go in the future without missing for the intervening time.
You can go back in the past in a strictly one universe existence with one time line
But on the black mirror side of things you have to wonder what that means for everybody's time relativity. I think it would be valid to consider that everybody's time is relative to everybody else's so it could be the case that they continue on regardless of what you do and you would just be absent or present. And if you're absent and then you come back in a single timeline universe then you have a problem....
I think the perception of somebody being able to time travel in a more scientific way.... Something that would be written with today's understandings would look a little bit different and it would be neat if somebody would try it..
The only realistic time travel that you could maybe do on the planet is a centrifuge that spends fast enough that you can get inside of it without being destroyed by G-Force and you would age less in the people outside of the centrifuge. So you could hop in and show up in a future where you were not present and everybody knew you were in the centrifuge.
I don't think we have any comprehension even in theory with the mathematics of what it would look like if you can make that centrifuge go faster than the speed of light... We kind of assume that when you reach the speed limit that something unusual might happen but I don't think the math makes any predictions of it let alone how that would affect everything else around it. It wouldn't be able to address how time would function for you versus everybody else and let everybody's individual experience would be if an individual did that.
Fun stuff though fun stuff
"You know, Marty, I'm gonna be very sad to see you go... You've really made a difference in my life, you've given me something to shoot for"
I always believed that Marty actually helped Doc in making the Time Machine. That if it wasn’t for Marty going back in time to show Doc his invention that he never would have followed through with making it to begin with. Seeing the machine is actually what gave him the motivation to make it for the future. It’s a time loop with no start or finish.
This seems like a great premise for another trilogy from Doc’s perspective, in a parallel timeline, to show how he pulled it all off.
Brilliant! :D
I respectfully disagree. No doubt it's a very interesting concept, but I think one that's only suited best for uber-fans like us to talk about in environments like this, I'm very inclined to never wanting another actual whole movie (much less trilogy) with this as its through-line. It would always work best as something you don't specifically see, and not because any of the details potentially not really holding up if that was so, just that its beauty is in how it's all done out of the proverbial light of day. It kind of feels akin to showing an audience a full break down of how you had pulled off an incredibly elaborate magic trick to them the night before.
@@kevinw712 you would have to make a series or something back in the late 80s. Otherwise, nowadays it's too late to do anything and wouldn't make any sense
When i grew up and watch 3 i realized the fuel issue was extremely stupid. Cuz theres already a time machine in 1885 with gas in it. Instead of using whiskey and brake the time machine. Just go syphon the gas outta it. Then change the note saying add gas too. And the whole train thing wouldnt have to happen.
He probably prepped the Delorean for its extended storage by draining all fluids (I wonder what he did with all of it though?), but a scientist of his caliber should know not to put the bartender's recommended "strongest" whiskey in the car. In fact he should know how to take it and distill near-pure alcohol himself and make something that actually works in just one evening. I'd imagine he should possess the ability (and probably access to materials) to create solid rocket fuel too. And if he already knew horses can't go even HALF of 88mph, I never got the point of wasting his time and risking an accident trying it. And to me it would have made more sense to pull the car with the train rather than push it, because he could always cut the car loose and stop the car without having to stop the train before the windmill. Doc turned into a bit of an idiot by #3.
@The Goddamn Batman leaded gas works better than unleaded
If he used the delorean that doc buried in 1885 and used it to go back to the future, there would be a paradox because that time machine was the one that Marty would use to get to 1885 70 years later. If he used it when he got to 1885 he would never be able to get to 1885 from 1955. Confused? Probably.
No leave the car take the fuel out of it and reseal it back up. They're going to need new gas anyways in 1955.
Lacking gasoline, Doc could also have built an electric motor to replace the engine in the Delorean and siphon power for it from Mr Fusion, or create a beefy battery bank to stick under the hood/in the trunk. He certainly would have known how, and might even already have one built at the time.
They still likely would have used the railroad tracks as a good place to drive the car. A long grade could also be used to help the electric motor get the vehicle to 88. (Don't think a long grade would let it get to 88 on its own though)
The train was adjusted for flying in the future with standard future tech. I don't think doc made those changes in 1885
Clearly. Marty asks him if he's going to the future next and Doc says "No. Already been there." Then to prove it he shows that the train can fly. The way the reveal is set up obviously implies Doc modded the train in the future.
allp84 If anyone could, Doc could, but yes I agree.
I don't know... We know that hover tech was invented sometime between 1985 and 2015 so Doc would have had to take a the train on a track blindly into the late 20th or early 21st century. So beside being uncertain that the rail even still exists on the date he needs to get to, the train would need to stay parked there long enough for Doc to hit the town on foot and gather the supplies he needs for the hover conversion. Rail lines are pretty hard to find that existed since the 1890s AND are also traveled so infrequently by rail traffic that he could leave a steam locomotive parked un-noticed long enough to hoof it into town and buy parts. No, if he can build a time machine from 1890s materials, he could build whatever he needed to make it hover as well. I would say that steam powered time machines make hover tech look like child's play.
Doc scraped what he could from the buried DeLorean knowing that 1955 Doc would repair it for Marty. From that he fabricated whatever else he needed.
But we already know from the plot of the 3rd film that the railway line in hill valley exists in 1985.
And doc's already been to 2015, so there's a decent chance (if he has a good memory or has something to help him cheat, like say the equivalent of an ebook reader or whatever) that he knows the condition and layout of the railway lines in hill valley in 2015 or whatever date he needs to get to.
The big risk is hitting a train in the future.
But if he can avoid that, all he needs to do is get the train onto a siding or somewhere else that doesn't see frequent use, or only has trains entering it at low speed.
(trains can in fact stop if they see a visual obstruction if they go slowly enough. - below about 25 mph. - which is the kinds of speeds you get on sidings, freight yards and so on.)
If you get lucky and avoid hitting a train, you'll probably be alright.
Otherwise... Well...
I don't fancy the chances of anyone involved in a crash like that.
A large steam engine doing 90 mph appearing out of nowhere? That'll be one hell of a crash.
The Reynolds or you just assume that by 2015 everything flies and the tracks would be there redundant..
The real question is, how did Marty's hearing remain intact after the first 5 minutes of the first film? The explosion alone would have blown his ear drums.
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Unless, that was Doc's original plan: "Find the only human being whose supernatural eardrum strength could survive such a blast..." ...as foretold by the prophecy in The Great Scientist's Almanac of Yore...
I've always wondered why would Doc be in such a panicked rush when returning to Marty in the 'fixed' 1985 time point to implore him to come now as his not yet existent son has a key moment that needs to be changed 30 years from then. Doc, did you forget that having your own time machine literally means you never have to hurry to any point in the past nor the future again? lol They got all the time in the world before then traveling to July 15, 2015 Hill Valley.
@@kevinw712 True. Another diddy that's usually glossed over, is that in part III Marty gives Doc the gift of grief after saving Ms. Clayton, by informing him that the ravine was named after a teacher who fell in... even though the paper Marty read in 1955 stated that he (Doc) was "survived by his beloved Clara". Are we to believe so easily that Doc just so happen to be nearby twice: once by himself and the other with an unwitting Marty? What was Doc doing near the ravine by himself?
I think I remember saying doing science stuffs ?
@@jochanxwretch I noticed that, but then I realized that Doc was actually supposed to pick Clara up from the station (this obviously skipped his mind after Marty showed up) but we can assume that it didn't skip his mind originally and the meeting still lead to _love at first site_ . This all then begs the question, what happened in original timeline of which neither Doc nor Marty were part.
My guess is that, absent Doc, nobody else was available to pick Clara up and she resorted to the same plan of renting/buying the horse and cart that she rent/brought when Doc forgot to pick her up, this time of course Doc wasn't around to save her and...
So I guess we can assume that from the moment Doc picked Clara up from the station and the moment Delorian arrived back in 1985 in BTTF III, the ravine remained with it's original Native American name.
I think the catalyst for the whole trilogy was when Marty experienced a trauma after setting fire to the living room rug. His alcoholic mother beat the crap out of him while his dad called him a chicken.This led Marty to seek a father figure elsewhere (Doc). He also started engaging in irresponsible and high-risk behavior (hitching a skateboard ride on cop cars, being tardy for school showed a clear hostility to authority figures) not respecting others' property (stealing from children and from his employer; blowing Doc's speaker; breaking into Biff's grandmother's hous; sneaking into George's room to manipulate him), planning a sexual assault of his young mother, and was spiraling toward an unhealthy obsession with firearms. Doc had his own issues. He was palling around with terrorists, bribing police officers, manufacturing a firearm, trespassing/dumping in an abandoned mine, and used the time machine for his own financial gain, all without the least bit of care about how his knowledge of the future or actions would affect the timeline.
WTAF, this is completely ridiculous.
Hahahahha loved it... It's like that video explaining why Daniel Larusso is the real bully, not Johnny.
He did WHAT to his mom?!
@@fartspit8714 Remember? George was supposed to say "Hey You, get your damn hands off her" but it was Biff (for real) instead of Marty (an act). That's a bonafide interpretation there.
He was NOT planning on sexually assaulting his own mother. His younger 1955 mother was coming onto HIM and he panicked as he knew it would erase him and his siblings from history.
MARTY
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DOC in 1955
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DeLOREAN time machine
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removed and studied them
I wonder if the Bootstrap Paradox Applies to this then
That means when 2nd doc, doesn't get killed, it's because he has all his old memories of Marty, and he had to wait, to invent the time machine in 1985, even though he already knows how to build it... Or did he always see the time machine and it took him that long to make the technology happen...
21chch true, but, Doc had already discovered the flux capacitor in 1955. And it had still taken him that long to make the time machine, because he needed 1.21 gigawatts of power, which apparently needs plutonium fueled nuclear reactor. So, no matter what, he had to wait for the Libyans anyways.
Why would Doc have to study any of the DeLorean's systems? He invented the time travel systems so he already knew how they worked.
Of all the film theories and out-there stretches and analyses, I have to say this was, I think, the first and only one that really resonates and makes me smile, laugh and happy, as a "hmm what if" scenario. I dont really care about moves anymore in life, but, BTTF has a special place, and this theory is really wonderful, thank you for making this.
Edge of Thought - Ideas how could he have died several times? How does that make sense?
Despite the title, that was surprisingly heartwarming.
“...and Doc gets carried away to a mental asylum...”
Wait
I have a theory, that when Doc was going through the video camera he had already seen himself get shot by the teroist , so when Marty tried to warn Doc by a letter, he had already knew his fate, but he trusted Marty to return to 1985.
He didn't, Marty has stop filming after he see the Libyian. But agree, this allow Doc to be better prepare with or without the letter.
@@mrbenwong86 However, the videotape does include Doc's "they found me" line. Being as smart as he is, Doc could have put it together at some point during his pre-1st-movie conflict with the terrorists. He's just angered people who wanted to use massively destructive weapons (by stealing needed components of said weaponry), who else would "they" refer to? My guess is that sometime while he was stealing the plutonium and/or making the fake bomb out of pinball machine parts, he remembered seeing that part of the tape, realized it meant the terrorists would end up finding him, and decided to tape the letter back together on the (correct) assumption that this is what Marty was so distressed about back in the fifties. From that he learned the details that the terrorists would shoot at him, and when, so that he'd know to bring the vest.
DOC
had the DeLOREAN end up in
the path of the train so it would
be destroyed by the train
because he knew MARTY
wouldn't destroy it and
MARTY would spend the rest
of his life trying to fix it and
try to save DOC
I'm counting out the syllables in that sentence to see if it's some kind of poem or something - why the odd line breaks?
@@Loebane Some people do that, probably not used to typing.
Could be. Doc maybe knew that a train would be passing through that area at that time and had Marty enter that exact destination time. He did want the DeLorean destroyed. Maybe Doc knew the train schedules?
No Shit Sherlock
In 1885 doc buried it so there is still a time travel option there
6:31 Early footage of Courier 6 from Fallout New Vegas useing vats to save a life
The idea of Doc dedicating his life to constantly saving Marty's actually makes their friendship more endearing to me.
To anyone who's ever lost a good friend, we all have wished we could turn back time - the idea that Doc had the means and the follow through warms my heart.
Just one question: How many times did Marty McFly die in Back to the Future?
3
Quite a bit. How many times did it take to pull off the building jump, or the train destroyed, and then showing up right after to assure Marty he's okay so he didn't worry or become depressed like in the game lol
in all timelines? infinity
I would also add the Marty he replaced after finishing the adventure.
That would be a great subject for a You Tube video...
Was I one of the only ones who thought after seeing their channel name "oh, so film theoriests got a new logo." Only to find out it's not matpat's film theory?
Threw me off too
8:10 i swear I’ve watched these movies more then 10 times and I never noticed Marty having 2 ties in the future
Albertsons OMG SAME
He also doesn’t say “doc! that things coming straight for us!” When doc makes the delorean speed in their direction in the first experiment
I always thought the double tie was rad
so its like Groundhog Day where Phil goes around taking care of the town, like being just on time to save the kid falling from the tree. we have no idea how many times he repeated the same actions until it all came out right.
Pauly Lewis What's nice about this frame of thought, of the story, is _Groundhogs Day_ wasn't even filmed yet. Meaning, that such a possible theory wouldn't be tarnished as a "copy cat"...
i didn't even realize that, cool
If he is like me, he had to do that a couple of thousands, what would explain why he ended up using mr fusion instead of plutonium.
That was a time loop, not really time travel. We do have an answer to how long it was though. I think MatPat did a video on it based on how many hours it takes to master a skill and the number of new skills he masters you can guestimate roughly the minimum number of time he would have been stuck in the loop.
the difference is that Doc was voluntarily going back, while in Groundhog Day it was forced upon him. the similarity is that both are looping until the desired outcome is reached. Doc knew what he wanted when he started, but Phil Connors had to figure out why he was looping with no real clues.
The time traveling train was from 1895 but all the future tech (like the hovering) is from 2015. He took the train there first.
JustinEvitable80 so he just happened to find a train track from 1895, that still existed in 2015? The train still needs to be on a track when it arrives in the future.
there's a lot of abandoned rail spurs. plus we're never told how the mechanics for the trains time traveling ability works.
cmdraftbrn you think he has a map with him that shows every single rail in that area? Or maybe he was obsessed with trains? He had to go where he KNEW a rail would be. Remember, they knew the bridge would be built. But how would he know what rails were or weren’t in the future?
It's not that hard.
They knew the 1885 train line existed in 1985 - Doc even says so explicitly.
The bridge under construction would be finished and fully functional in 1985
2015 is 30 years later.
Better still, Doc has BEEN to 2015 (and after) multiple times.
Barring major timeline changes he'd probably know if there were railway lines in 2015, and in what kind of condition they're in...
he's got the knowledge of those future periods by having visited.
The only question is whether he made a note of stuff like railway lines in the future or not.
But I mean, if you're going to time travel you'd be wise to keep records of what's present in various timelines.
The Delorean isn't much safer - go into the past or the future and you could hit a tree, or a building, or anything else.
Just because there's a road somewhere in 1985 doesn't mean it's still there in the same state in 2015...
That's precisely the same kind of risk...
KuraIthys he only travelled once to 2015 using roads. That was a gamble, sure. But there are open areas he can drive on that give him a good likelyhood of not hitting anything. A train on a fixed rail tho? After the first trip to the future, he got flying tech which takes the chance of hitting a tree, to nill
the moral of the story is the lyrics to the song "earth angel"
While this is fun the theory is really grasping and depending on movie tropes and coincidences for evidence. But I actually want to talk about the Train. WHY does everyone assume doc built a flying train in 1885? All he needs is to somehow build a rudimentary flux capacitor and get the train up to 88 mph. He already proved he could do that when sending Marty back. So he hijacks ANOTHER train. and the first place he travels to is 2015. THERE and THEN is when he retrofits the train with all the futuristic parts and makes it fly. That's how I always thought it was when I first saw it as a kid. I never thought he made all that with 1885 tech and his smarts. Also he probably sold a bunch of rare old west artifacts that were in mint condition to afford sprucing up the train.
what if repaired the delorean in the mines. went to the future, did the train thing, went back to put the car away again making sure it was busted....okay this is far fetched.
I totally thought the same that he went to the future to make the train fly. but let say that maybe not...in this case the hoverboard might have gave the doc some help in working out the whole deal. (but I do not believe in this one just a simple tought.
That's what I thought. It was the only thing that made sense to me.
You are grasping just as much with your theories. And while your theories are convenient explanations that any hack writer would devise because of lack of creativity, the video's theories on why Doc keeps directing Marty to certain places, why Doc keeps showing up at precise moments where Marty should be dead, are deep and layered and in the end make sense. On the flip side of that, to say Doc showing up so many times to save Marty at the last second when he was clearly going to die is only coincidence is short minded at best. The explanation that Doc saw Marty die before in an alternate timeline fits best and is very clever.
@@freespeechisdead1565 I never gave any theories. I only mentioned that people always assume doc made a flying train in 1885........
he has a jump start using the miniature computer tech from the hoverboard as well
You still didn't answer HOW MANY TIMES DID MARTY MCFLY DIE IN BACK TO THE FUTURE.....TO BE CONTINUED?
He wasn't aware that BTTF had a animated spinoff and gave up counting.
its a rhetorical question
@@bezzaderbane9890 A rhetorical thesis is about as logical as using a net to try to carry water. If you're going to make the title of your video a question, you sure as hell better answer it.
Maybe just title the video "DOES Marty die in Back to the Future?"
Nice one!
we've all seen TimeCop, we know what happens when you come in physical contact with yourself in another time
That is a really dumb theory.
Regarding the tunnel: Doc was in a flying DeLorean which means he has a bird's eye view of both the tunnel and road. He was waiting at the end of the tunnel, but he sees Biff's car emerge, do a quick turn and head back into the tunnel. Now even though he is a scientist, it wouldn't take one to guess that Biff's actions mean he's after Marty; so Doc realizes that he needs to get to the other end of the tunnel ASAP if he's going to be of any help to Marty. This would explain why he was there waiting to help.
Regarding the top of Biff's hotel. When Marty 1st arrives he goes to the edge looking for Doc; for whatever reason, Doc was late getting there but it was part of there plan for Doc to meet Marty on the roof. Of course Doc does arrive which Marty can see, so he just steps off the roof and into the DeLorean.
For the tower, was Doc at watch the whole time? Marty was struck and was unconscious for some time (which Doc wouldnt have known since he was nowhere around when that happened)? How could they still sync up?
Simple............ that's how it's scripted.
When I wrote "When Marty 1st arrives" I meant on the roof; not the 1st time he arrived at the hotel.
I suddenly feel that a cooler version of the scene would be Doc then flying through the tunnel to chase after Biff and over taking, above him, at the last second, to rescue Marty.
The tunnel is extremely long. Doc was directly above the exit. Somehow he knew exactly when to turn on his landing lights and drop the flags. He'd also have to know that Marty would be the first out the tunnel. Marty could have been behind the car, in the car, still in the tunnel, whatever, but he Knew that he needed to save him the way he did.
When Marty reaches the edge of the roof, he's frustrated that there's no way down. From his vantage point, he'd see the entire plaza. If Doc was anywhere near the hotel, Marty would have seen him coming. He had to be only seconds away, and arrived during the confrontation with Biff. He had to know exactly when to be there, exactly where he had to be, AND he had to know to come dangerously close to that spot of the hotel and fly directly upward. If Doc and Marty agreed to meet on the roof, the Doc would fly in from above to find a good landing spot. Biff and Marty were only on the roof for barely a single minute before the Doc was crawling straight up the side of the hotel. If they came out while the Doc was surveying the roof, he had less than a minute to figure out what was happening, what to do, where to go, and actually get over into position. On top of all of that, he knew *exactly* when to throw open the door! DeLoreans have incredibly poor visibility from inside. There's no way he could have seen Biff from below while he was that close to the wall of the hotel.
So many extremely close *exact* coincidences of saving Marty's life, and he has a time machine. I don't think it's a stretch at all to think this all could have been going on. We know Doc made lots of trips without Marty, so who knows?
I would love with the courthouse
*doc walks up, lines the shot, MISSES*
"Damn, wait maybe i can still get the shot"
*shoots twice more, missing*
"damn, damn"
*explaining to marty later*
"You have no idea how many attempts it took me, it was going to be amazing I was going to shoot the rope and save your life and show tannen i wasn't to be pushed around but I hadn't taken into account factors like wind resistance and temperature...."
Best rick and morty fan theory ever
To be fair, Rick and Morty started as a parody of Back to the Future so it's unsurprising that this whole video reads like an episode of Rick and Morty
Doc & Marty. Wow. Mindblown.
Adventures of doc and mharti th-cam.com/video/1lpKx3FMNC4/w-d-xo.html
Scrotum jokes, how low.
Depends if your kneeling, and how long your plonker is.
In the words of Austin Powers: "Oh no I've gone cross-eyed..." XP
Makes sense actually. My gripe with 2 was always you don't need to go to the future to change the future but Doc wanting Marty to learn first hand makes sense!
Next is “That Game Theory”
Great, someone else who noticed the careless naming
Sid Deleersnyder you mean planned shamelessly to milk extra views?
Adam Hawk I didn’t want to point fingers, but yeah that’s probably what’s really going on here. Heck the first theory on this channel (IT and The Shining) is exactly the same as one of MatPat’s theories, and he posted it way earlier.
Doc does not start meddling in the past till Marty saves him by doing just that.
Yes but remember how when doc knows everything that will happen to him cause he put that bullet proof vest cause he knew he was gonna get shot that’s my theory
Marty goes back on the same day that Doc "invents" time travel. It always felt strange how Doc had all those theories about how Marty may have altered time when looking at the photograph. Now that I think about it some more, Doc maybe already new that Marty had the flyer in his pocket and why he suggests the use of lightning to produce the 1.21GW of power. Make you want to ponder.
Great work!
I have a question about the flying DeLorean getting hit by the lightning and sent to 1885.
In the letter, doc says that the flying circuits were destroyed and it would never fly again, so how did he manage to safely land it, when he arrived in 1885, if the flying circuits were destroyed?
Wouldn't he have died in a horrendous crash upon arrival?
He wasn't flying around near 88 mph, the strike only powered the flux capacitor, and is why you see the spiraling (backwards 99 or inverted 66) flame trails, which means, doc was sent backwards in an uncontrollable spin, and most likely hit the ground, in a spectacular fireball, thus killing him instantly.
I agree. This part I thought was weird too. He was pretty high up as well
He was wearing his seatbelt?
There were numerous trees to cushion the descent?
He managed to angle it toward a nearby river and his seat can be used as an emergency flotation device?
The seat has an emergency eject and parachute system? This seems most feasible, given that hover converting in the.... future?... would have to take safety precautions.
What I'm wondering is how such a crash wouldn't attract attention, or how Doc could have repaired all the structural damage before burying the DeLorean in the mine.
@@Qwentar Some small aircraft have a parachute recovery system to enable the plane to land safely in the event of an emergency where the plane is unable to glide back to a runway for an emergency landing. Since the future hover-cars don't appear to have any form of wings or control surfaces it makes sense that they might have something like this. Look up: Cirrus parachute recovery system. Also, he didn't look like he was more than 25-50 feet off the ground, a hard landing but survivable with minor injuries if he was wearing a seatbelt.
There is also the possibility of the existance of a higher ground (like a hill) at the same spot in 1885.
My theory is, as car does fall down from hovering in the future (this is what breaks George's back in 2015), the hover equipped car must have some unseen feature included to protect the passengers when the hover fail, maybe external airbag that soften the fall.
So the users name is Jules that came up with this theory? Does that user have a younger brother named Verne? ;)
I get that reference lol
Wow, yeah, the author's is Doc's son!
Tellin his secrets... that's how u know true!!
Good one
DementedCaver I noticed the creators name too!
It was Docs kids name in the end! 😌👍👍
Young and Old Jennifer saw each other. Looked each other in the eye. Present Doc had his back turned to past Doc for that same reason. They'd both faint also had they made eye contact
Jules you just ruined my timeline with this theory!! lol great work! My dad introduced my brother and I to Back to the Future when we were really young, so it’ll be so awesome to show him this video! Keep up the great work!
I love that your description is just "Great Scott!"
in the novel for part 3, when Buford chases Marty out of the Saloon, the bartender tells someone "You better go get the blacksmith".
When you mention Marty being Docs totem, it nearly brings a tear to my eye. Thats the thing I always loved about these movies is that they always needed the other on their journey for things to go "right".
Dude, I’m with you. Even though that was probably just an unforeseen outcome of the script.
FANTASTIC VIDEO! We all love the trilogy and my guess is that nobody has ever laid out the "DOC SAVES MARTY THEORY" before you so Kudos. I can't wait to read the comments and see what other fans are saying. Keep up the great work.
There's a slight hole in the theory. If Doc only wanted the best for his friend he would have gone back and stopped Marty from having the car accident that ruined his hands. Therefore erasing the events of both 2 and 3 and saving a lot of heart ache of watching Marty die over and over.
Theory: Marty's temper getting triggered by being called a chicken in movies 2 and 3 is because of the changes he made in his parents' lives in the first movie. At some point in the new timeline between 1968 and 1985, young Marty became super sensitive to being called chicken. And, just like how he started fading out of existence, present-Marty is being affected and changed by the past events of the new timeline.
7:17 I assume the train got a hover conversion in 2015
First off Doc saving Clara Barton was by accident so that can’t be used as an example of him meddling with time. but other than that great video
Wasn't Clara the future mother of Doc's kids?
hackman669
Yeah, but he didn’t realize his mistake until Marty mentioned the whole “Clayton ravine” thing. So he does meddle with it but not intentionally at first
Well, to be honest, does it really matter about the whole naming of the ravine? What I mean to say is, Doc saving a person who is _supposed_ to die, is necessarily going to change the timeline isn't it? I thought this while watching the film recently, when Marty and Doc make the connection about Clara Clayton and the ravine I thought..."hold on guys, what does it matter the ravine is now going to called something different? Now there's a whole life that's going to be lived that shouldn't have! Anything could come of her or any of her offspring".
This makes me think that the 1985 that Marty ends up in is going to be radically different than the 1985 he grew up in. Case in point, we can assume that when Doc first went back to 1855 he picked Clara up from the station, but he didn't _think_ he was doing anything utterly cosmically spectacular, he was just running a simple errand....But as we now know, it wasn't simple, by him not being there to do that she originally died! This proves that when Marty went to 55 for a week or so and 1885 for a similar time and Doc to 1885 for months, they altered history dramatically, even if they did _apparently_ mundane things.
@@carlhartwell7978 That's the paradox of doing anything in the past. You just walking down a street could trigger different events that would happen or not. For example, George McFly being hit by the car triggered the whole first movie plot, because Marty interfered. Imagine that situation with you walking down the street in the 50s. A dude just looks at you, but he was supposed to cross a street and nearly get hit by a car. If he didn't look at you he could avoid it, but got distracted and he got run down. Let's imagine he's the father of a future president, something like that, that would completely change history y'know? Simple things like that, it's fun to think about
Carl Hartwell well they did call it something different if you could see when Marty was coming back from 1885, it showed that they ended up naming it after Marty bc he called himself Clint Eastwood so I think it was “Eastwood ravine” bc ppl probably thought he was still on the train when the train fell Ik it really ain’t the main point of what you saying I was just saying it
Great Scot! The paradoxes in some of these theories could rip apart the space/time continuum and destroy the entire universe! Doc Brown read the letter, wore the bullet proof best, and allowed Marty to believe he witnessed his friend and mentor’s gruesome murder, causing him to then be chased by the Libyans, because Doc knew if he didn’t, there would be a time paradox.
However, if he saves Marty from jumping off the roof or from being run over, or being hung, or being shot, he never witnessed any of these events from taking place, therefore, could not go back in time to save him. Paradox. Universe destroyed.
There is no evidence in the film that a paradox of any kind could in fact destroy the universe or cause any problems whatsoever.
agedude44 but if Marty never dies, then Doc doesn’t have a reason to go back in time to alter the events. We may not officially witness the effects of time paradoxes in the film, but are simply forced into believing that the always right Doc Brown knows what he is talking about, even if he’s a little eccentric.
Now then, while I said we never officially witness the effects of time paradoxes, think about this: In BTTF 2, 2015 Biff steals the sports almanac and gives it to 1955 Biff so that he can make his fortune. We know this alternate timeline took place, because we, the audience, saw it. However, alternate Biff, being the dim witted bully that he is, probably didn’t think that he needed to steal the book and the time machine, or where it could possibly be, just that “a kid or a wild eyed Einstein in a time machine” may someday meet up with him, and if that ever happens, kill them. It was more important to kill the heroes, even if he meets them in 2015. Since mega rich alternate Biff wouldn’t be hanging out near the Cafe 80s waxing his grandsons car, he wouldn’t ever know where or when to steal these things, so the time paradox occurs, and when 2015 travels back to his alternate time, while Marty and Doc deal with Jennifer at their future home, he struggles getting out of the car and we don’t really see what happens to him or where he goes... ...he disappeared... ...because he cannot be there since his never went back in time. “Erased from existence.”
And yet the car is still there.
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This is the deleted scene where Biff actually does painfully fade out of existence. You see, in addition to him never waxing cars, preventing him from learning about the time machine, alternate 1985 Marty is supposed to be in Switzerland at a boarding school. So Marty never travels to 2015 with Doc, which not only furthers alternate 2015 Biff from learning about the time machine, but actually prevents the theft of it.
Why the car is still there - the paradox somehow repaired itself rather than destroy the universe. The events of alternate 1985 and 2015 canceled the events Biff created in the original timeline. Biff either ceases to exist, or reverts back to the original state, where he’s still an auto detailer. He can’t be in front of the neighborhood since he never stole the car, but the car remains at its original location, because Biff was smart enough to park it exactly where it was when he altered time, so it naturally didn’t change locations.
It goes back to when Doc tried to explain why it was ok to leave Jennifer and Einstein in alternate 1985. Things would revert back to original around them without knowledge. Had they failed in their mission. Jennifer would have woken up on the porch of someone else’s house, and most likely become institutionalized because she has no idea where her timeline is, just that she was supposed to live there with her family who are now missing. Unless her alternate self never meets Marty, since he’s supposed to be in Switzerland, and she most likely doesn’t even live in Hill Valley.
Only thing that would have changed for Doc and Marty is that the sports almanac and biffs cane aren’t in the car, as it shouldn’t be, so they would have no clue what had happened.
What’s really confusing is the fact that since the alternate 1985 never happened, the events we see, was some form of parallel universe where we can see all the timelines. Basically, with the cancellation of the alternate timeline due to the paradox, Marty and Doc pick up Jennifer and go home, and the story ends there. There is no third movie or even an animated series because they never had to travel back to alternate 1955 to steal the book, and Doc being sent to 1885.
There are no paradoxes in the physical universe, just physics Doc didn't yet understand and was afraid to even attempt to study with past events. I think that is part of the reason he decided to meddle with "future history", because the presumed destructive effects of a paradox would only affect the future from that point forward and not jeopardize his own existence. He began to suspect this fact on the night of the lightning storm when Marty told him that his dad had never stood up to Biff in his entire life. You can see he was puzzled slightly. He also read Marty's letter, but was cautious enough to stage the whole Lone Pine Mall debacle. So he really didn't give a crap about Marty's kids, he was just interested to see what would happen if he created a blatant paradox. In that case the paradox being that since he prevented Marty Jr.'s arrest, he wouldn't have witnessed the event to begin with. Then when Jennifer met herself, he quietly realized that true paradoxes can't happen, only alternate universes.
The one thing that has always got to me if how Biff was able to take the almanac to himself and come come back to the same future time line. If Biff was to make himself rich, he wouldn't be able to go back to the same timeline.
Good point
There’s a deleted scene in the second film when Biff fades away from existence. He gave the almanac to his younger self and when he got back to 2015 he faded away because of that because that Biff wouldn’t have existed if young Biff got rich and got killed by Lorraine
Accurate analysis indeed, I was always wondering how many undo's took place across the timeline.
What a great theory I love the back to the future movies and your theory makes sense. But one thing I wish was real from the film was the hoverboard
Jessica Francis they where for a little while that year but parents and toy company's said they where to dangerous and banned them for good also they way ahead of there time didn't take off to well the one in the film was a prototype they explain all this on the bonus behind the scenes
Look up FlyBoard on youtube. It's practically already real
You and 5 million other people mate hahaha
Jessica Francis me too. The hover board was everything.
jake palmer they wouldn't be too dangerous for the military though and they don't have them :) it was just a joke by the producers lol there are no hoverboards
Another theory is that Biff acted humble all those decades to solve the time travel mystery. He gets a job as a detailer near George and Lorraine to get near Marty. Finally Marty is born and when he reaches a certain age Biff recognized him. At the end of the movie you see Biff eagerly wanting to please Marty to gather more info. Also him witnessing the DeLorean disappearing confirms his suspicions about time travel
I thought Biff was being nice to Marty because he was scared of George
Film Theory: How Many Times Does Marty McFly DIE In Back To The Future?
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Hmmm, not sure. At the end of BTTF 3, Marty asks Doc "Where you going, back to the future"? Doc answers "No, already been there". Thus the flying train must have been done in the future.
Or he could just be talking about the time he spent there regarding Marty and his kids
Well actually I see very plausible that the doc could make a time traveling train using as base the existing technology of the 1800s, but with the knowledge of a 1980s scientist, I mean I think that any of us could replicate inventions like the print or the mold, some even the electric generator, the transistor or the induction engine, imagine what the doc could do.
Unlikely he would have access to the parts in 1885. They couldn't even lay their hands on petrol.
Yes, but he would definitely need to take that train to the future in order to make it fly.
The induction motor/generator was invented in 1888, but that doesn't mean the quality of production achievable by Doc would match that of the 20th or 21st century. Sure, he could manufacture parts himself, but a whole flying train? In one mans lifetime? He surely must have come from the future as signified in the first BFFT when Doc appears at the end and they fly into the future similarily to the end of the third film.
well I was thinking about the ones in 3 a bit more and I don't think it's that he used a secret time machine. but rather, he knew that Marty and some other version of Doc would find the time machine he sealed away and get it working, and that Marty would not just use it to get back to the present and try to move on with his life. no that's way to out of character for Marty and Doc knows this. So my guess is he does take breaks from his workshop every so often to look out for any signs of Marty showing up. Which is why he doesn't get there at a better point to save him from accidentally getting that gang mad at him in the first place, so they could fix the car with out having to do that shootout at all. As He doesn't know exactly when Marty will show up, but he knows Marty will at some point and that he'll probably need something to Get Marty out of trouble and having a really good sniper riffle would be one of the more portable and useful things he could get/make at the time. Plus if he had a secret time machine it would of completely negated all the work they had to do to get the original one to send them back to the present. all they would of had to do then was make sure the car was destroyed completely this time and use the secret one to get out of there.
Glad I found this, it's extremely interesting. I'd never thought about any of this before; now, I'll have to go back and watch all three movies with this in mind. There's one other thing that puzzles me: If Doc Brown knew the Libyans were going to shoot him, why didn't he come up with some other way to power the time machine? Thanks!
Stop mind fu€king me with one of my favorite childhood movies!
All these Back to the Future Theories : We are gonna figure out time travel!
Avengers Endgame: Hold my beer.
Endgame time travel was another version of time travel, quantem theory. There are many ways of time travel, duh.
When Doc got shot on the first movie he already had the bullet proof vest on...
he probably died when he was shot at TWIN PINES MALL. in the altered 1985 he had the vest at LONE PINE MALL
He didn't have the bullet proof vest on until after Marty went back in time.
Yeah, watch a side by side comparison. The altered time line where Marty ran over Peabody’s pine tree in 1955 changed twin pine mall into lone pine mall.
@@aratwithinternetaccess8381 no shit...
@@mattirzzmattimuss What I was saying is that he wasn’t wearing a bulletproof vest in Twin pines mall, but in lone pines mall.
6:37
Living in the old wild west probably has something to do with it, but who am I to judge
I think the only time traveling we did not directly see in the trilogy would be (1)Doc going further ahead in 2015 to see what happens post-October 21 and (2)Collecting currency from different eras to obtain the money in the emergency cash briefcase. Doc was adamant about not disrupting the continuum. After the whole alternate 1985 fiasco with Doc getting committed and Biff taking over everything, Doc was scared stiff about time travel. But Doc and Marty had to return to 1955 to burn the almanac, and Doc getting struck by lightning necessitated Marty’s trip to 1885.
If Marty would've have kept in under 88 mph, escaped the Libyans and Doc just died none of what befalls Marty would have happened in the first place. So maybe Doc felt bad and wanted to smooth out the rough edges of Marty's life.
👏very smart
In the novel for part 2, when Doc drops Marty off to get the book back from Biff, he waits at the other end of the tunnel for awhile, and when Marty doesn't appear, he realizes Marty must be in trouble and flies back the the other end of the tunnel and drops down that rope to help him.
6:20 it is more likely he heard the noise from his workshop so he went to check it out saw that an innocent person was being dragged and then hanged (not necessarily realising it was Marty) and shot the rope to save an innocent persons life.
I've always felt that doc browns motivation was saving his own life and that Marty was his tool for it. How many times Marty died meant nothing to DB as long as DB survived.
Stevie Rich thats more like rick and morty
Thanks, I now find myself questioning everything I know as true.
CAP 509 how could he have died several times? How does that make sense?
I know this is 2 years late to your video, which I love btw, but I had a couple things to add. I looked up this theory due to noticing things while watching them all again and I couldn't agree with you more. The first thing I noticed in the first one that gave me the idea that this wasn't the first time he'd gone through this and that there was a sort of loop going on and we were only seeing the version that actually continued was when Marty gave the future mayor the idea of being mayor. This scenario was different than his other actions that changed things in Marty's original present because we saw from earlier in the movie that signs were already up for him being mayor. This corroborates with your theory that he's already done this before. The idea i had was that each movie is us watching the version that actually breaks the loop that Marty was stuck in and continues on. If we were to watch previous versions it would be similar to Edge of Tomorrow with Doc being the only one with knowledge of the failed attempts. My other smaller theory that I would need to look into more is that Doc produces himself. We see the other characters family origins represented in the third movie but it seems like Doc produces his own past fortune and mansion.
My favorite was when doc turns himself into a pickle. Funniest shit ive seen
oh no
Yeah then he made a battery a laser and helped that merc
Love the relaxed voice of Jules along with the whole presentation and theories on this channel. New Sub from me!!
On biffs mansion you can see that Marty looks over the ledge as if Doc's supposed to be there, so I think that if Marty didn't expect doc to be there he wouldn't have cornered himself like this
All plausible, heart wrenching-and warming
Marty dies in Infinity War
Spoilers!
Doc, I don’t feel so good
3:07
Dude! Spoilers! What's next, telling me that Darth Vader dies in the next Hunger Games?
6:00 There is more that I just realized. Body armor that could protect you from an AK-47 didn't exist in 1985. Though police were using body armor by the mid-80's, that armor could only stop a shot fired from a hand gun.
Shots fired from a more powerful weapon wound not come out until after the turn of the century. Doc could have received the armor from a future version of himself.
Also, Even in our time body armor would not look like that even now. It's possible Doc's armor came from beyond 2024.
Hang on, I just realised that there would have been two DeLoreans in 1885, why didn't the Doc fix the fuel line on the 1955 repaired DeLorean and syphon off the fuel from the one he stored on the old mine?
How are there two DeLoreans? He went from 1955 to 1885 in the one and left _it_ in the mine for '55 Doc to find.
That's Warribo's point there is Marty's DeLorean and docs DeLorean in 1885 at the same time. They both went back in time in one.
Yeah you just ruined the whole movie. You could sihpon some gas out and wouldn't have changed the timeline. It wasn't stale yet.
Doc wanted to preserve the DeLorean in the mine so that it would be found in 1955. Doc would have known that the first thing to do when storing a vehicle for any amount of time, especially 70 years, would be to drain all the fluids. Doc would have drained the gasoline and disposed of it before putting the car in the mine. He knew that all the proper fuel and oil would be available in 1955 to replace it.
@ The Reynolds: That makes sense, and it was several months until Marty showed up in 1885, so I guess the Doc would have used the fluids up doing some experiments.
How did old biff get back to the future? He would have went to the future where he was rich.
Paradox
The ripple effect? That's the Gale and Zemekis excuse for most of these things. The future takes a bit of time to change from the perspective of those travelling (and the objects they take with them) when the past is altered. Also time tries to resolve to the most similar solution. That's why photos, newspapers and printouts don't change immediately and also don't disappear entirely but just change to alternate versions.
Theres actually a deleted scene where after biff returns the delorean from giving his younger self the almanac, he is seen vanishing behind a car moaning in pain, much like Marty started disappearing on stage in the first film. Almost as if him giving himself the almanac made him live a shorter life and therefore would not exist in 2015. This scene was cut out but you can find it on youtube, however, in the 2nd film, they do show old biff getting out of the delorean once he returns to 2015 and he stumbles off looking to be in pain or in distress. I always wondered why he looked unwell after getting back from giving himself the almanac in 1955. It's a short scene, but I believe it's the last time we see old biff once he brings back the delorean. Very interesting to think he gave himself a shorter life by making himself a millionaire. Maybe he was murdered for money, or better yet, in a different timeline maybe he was murdered by Lorraine as revenge for killing George. Okay... now I'm confused. Going to leave this alone for now.
Edit: after watching more vids, I saw something that said the writers and director had written in the script that Lorraine actually did shoot biff, but they took it out cause it made too many plot holes in the different timelines, the scene of biff returning the delorean in pain and leaving a piece of his cane is literally the only thing left of that plot idea in the actual film. Thought this was pretty cool
Cory Garcia awe I wanted to say that, not in as much depth tho, u made me need to sit down an read it twice 😂
Not necessarily that he didn't exist in 2015, but that version of him. At least. Besides. According to Doctor Who, and apparently BTTF in certain instances, time will always try to avoid a paradox. So to avoid cataclysmic damage, time allowed Biff to return to his native timeline, just so Doc and Marty could have the Delorean again, before he vanished into nothing. Plus. He probably wasn't the only thing vanishing. The whole future was probably dissipating around Marty and Doc.
That time jumping off the roof can be explained simply. Biff asked Marty how he got past his “ security _downstairs_ “.
So you're saying Doc was like Al in Angels in the Outfield :-D
I always wondered how Doc was just there all of a sudden in the second movie after Biff had Marty trapped as well as the part when Marty almost got ran over in the tunnel. The old west part isn't as suspicious, but this theory makes complete sense. Very well done.
Yeah in the first movie he had a revolver (or something) it's not suspicous
I have a theory that Doc Brown is immortal.
Throughout his life, Doc had always made inventions, the Time Machine being one of only that actually worked. We know this because when Marty show's 1955 Doc the time machine, and proof of the Flux Capacitor's exsistance and correct operation, he says to Marty qoute:
"It Works, It WORKS, I've finally made something that works"
Doc now has gained 30 years of Science and Technolagy, the technolagy of which being has own, within a matter of minutes, which puts him ahead of everyone else. Doc is now 30 years smarter thsn everyone else, as well as confident that the rest of his inventions would be successful.
Doc was at the end of his life when he first demonstrated the Time Machine with Marty. He knew that there would be a 50/50 chance of it actually working, and if it didn't he would die in a suicide Attempt, taking marty with him, but we know this isn't the case.
Know that Doc has the ability and the knowleadge of how the Tine Machine works, he can go anywhere, anytime throughout history. When he ends up in 2015 with Marty and Jennifer, he mentions he went to a rejuvenation clinic, where his Blood was cleaned, Hair treatment and 30 years of extended life. Doc could go back to that clinic in that same year, and later in the future where that technolagy has improved and evolved, and constantly gain his life expectancy, as well as inform past self(s) of these technolagies.
So what we have is an immortal being that is exsiting similtaniously over multiple timelines, and in multiple years throughout the history of the world.
Best movie ever 😍🙂
All three of them?
By that theory doc could actually be the older Marty. He knows how to save him cos it's his own memory.
Scratch0921 I get what you’re saying, but if Marty dies at some point in the timeline, how would older Marty (Doc, example) go back to save him? He would be dead, wouldn’t he?
@@ascentar6713 the key word was could
2:00 Well, when Marty asks him at the end "What about the whole speech about he time space continuum' etc, Doc did respond, "I figured, what the heck." 😉❤
Now I finally understand that Doc used the other DeLorean as basic parts to build the train.
Nah, he probably had the information needed to build a working time machine. I'm pretty sure the basic systems are known, sort of how you can build a computer using relays or vacuum tubes if you know their inner workings. Said computer wouldn't be as sophisticated as a modern one but it would still work. In the same way, the time train probably wouldn't be as sophisticated as the DeLorean was but it still would work.
But If he used that DeLorean Marty wouldn't be able to use it to travel to 1885.