The REAL Reason Why YG & SM Artists Used To Hate Each Other
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ต.ค. 2023
- What happened between YG and SM artists that there's this unresolved rivalry? 2NE1's Dara shared the story with Kim Jae Joong!
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the fanwars were so bitter back then but when 2ne1 reunited at coachella and GG had their aniversary promo - all the og fans were happy to still see them performing after a long time and reminisce of those times
Yeah. The hatred was between the fandoms generally, not between the artists. (The title of the video is misleading. In the actual content, they quote Dara as saying that there was NO hatred.) People should watch the 2011 MAMA performances. Several of the SNSD members are cheering for 2NE1 and vibing to their performance at the show. Not much has really changed. It's still difficult for YG artists and SM artists to get close to each other, even though they may be friendly to each other when they see each other at events and things.
I remember seeing photos of 2NE1's CL and SNSD's Tiffany hanging out and having a good time together at a fashion show a few years ago. If only the fanbases were the same!
I think we miss seeing 2nd gen idols
0:21 yeah, but originally it was BAP vs EXO 😂
As a sonejack, I'll never forget the time when 2NE1 and SNSD were up against each other after a long time in 2014. The fandoms were frothing at the mouths and then 4minute snuck in and took the win! 🤣
ong you just unlocked a core memory for me lmao
tbh snsd never acknowledge 2ne1 as their rival
Girls‘ Generation and 2NE1 are my Fav Girl Groups, love them both!
Yesssss Sameeee!!!!! Stan both groups for a better life!!
It’s shocking to hear an idol speak about this but what she said, it’s not shocking at all. I’m sure there is a lot of resentment and jealousy among idols, especially when a group gets a lot of comebacks or when a group gets more fame. It happens everywhere, in school or workplace. The idol industry is no different
Edit: I’m glad they spoke about this. I hope that as time passes by, 3rd gen can share stuff like this.
It's literally so frustrating how little yg artists have comebacks. They can also go months without giving any contents too
The good thing about that is, they aren't overworked
pretty much like the rest of the world...only in kpop fans will demand 2-3 comebacks with tons of variety shows in a year😂
Hunger marketing
@@playamelodythateverybodyknowsright. This is actually normal outside of Korea. I dont think fans realise how abnormal it is for kpop artists to release album after album with no breaks between.
It's better than being overworked. However, if we look at Treasure though, the boys have plenty of works and contents, but I think they, themselves, are overworking themselves by continuing with the schedules.
Taeyang of BIGBANG once said, “SM is better than YG”
Ya remember when he threatened yg to leave the company when he was not allowed to release a album which he composed himself yg is someone who don't have much freedom to their artist in musical way they can gave you immense popularity but they can make you vanish also and i think karma is real what they did with 2ne1,ikon,lee hi and many more artist carrer they really went down to themselves as a company now only they have is bp and i think they are also now done with yg 2full album in 7 yrs same they did with 2ne1
but that was a joke though. it's funny that people took it seriously.
Definitely not a fan YG's management style. In a way, I feel they sabotage themselves. 2ne1 was mismanaged, Lee hi was never developed properly, Blackpink with their lack of releases, Ikon was never the same after BI left, Somi is being wasted now, Winner never developed to their full potential, especially Mino....it goes on and on.
I get what you're saying but I can see why they continue with that strategy. You're only seeing the disadvantages. When they release just a few songs like that fans don't have any other choice than to stream the few songs they've released making the number of streams of those other songs increase, and because of that strategy many fans will literally force their selves to like whatever thing YG gives them. It's easier for new fans to catch up with the songs previously released like if someone wants to Stan BP it won't take them too long to listen to all the songs they've released before compared to Mamamoo's or Twice if uk uk💀 and that's what many newbies out there like so from a business pov that strategy isn't that bad but it'd be better if they change it because it's worked for many years but it won't always work fans are starting to be tired. From an artist pov who's really passionated by music it's probably frustrating but I'd rather work there than being sucked in a slave contract or being overworked once again if uk then uk. I think that Dara's envy towards SM artists has completely vanished after what we've learned recently and the people saying she would've accomplished more if she was in SM prolly swallowed back their words idk her that much but it's true that she fitted more their concept
Yg is very Shady in case of their girlgroup 2ne1 also got only 2 full album in their carrer Same goes for Blackpink but now they're giving more comebacks to treasure and in the future for babymonster i think yg is now sacred beacuse firstly they only have 2 active group and one sub unit and their biggest money maker bp might not renew also and that why they're delaying babymonster comeback and according to what I have heard they have changed the title track and concept also i didn't think they can survive in this gen if they don't release music continuously already there is big competition in the industry
@@joellecheumaha2084yg is someone who never gave music freedom to their artist like taeyang one said that he wanted to release an full album in 2013 but yg rejected it and then he warn yg he would leave the company if he wouldn't allow it then he got a min album I think in case of treasure 2 members basically left beacuse they wanted to create music for the group but yg neglected it
@@isha356 fr this gen is really competitive like they gotta stand out I hope they aren't dumb enough to make those girls do another girl crush concept or else they're screwed lol but I heard he was also shady to his boy groups and what the heck is he doing with Winner💀 I'm glad that Treasure's and Akmu's popularity is rising not a fan but still they've got some people who can save them from bankruptcy at least. And btw what subunit are you talking about
@@isha356 I think they want to make sure Bp renews first ig they're focusing on that more than Baemon debut
The idols themselves didn't seem to hated each other like one of iKon members said he wished he was an sm artist 😆😆so this misconception about them not being on good terms is unreasonable
Proves how hard music industry can be.
SNSD will always be my day 1 group. Loved their performances and especially loved them on variety shows. The fanwars were so intense, my best friend and I had a little falling out because she was a 2NE1 fan 🤣 we made up and are still close to this day but it was ugly for a second there lol.
Naah that's an addiction these mf doesn't even know yall😂
I was a fan of both during these times. It was actually so hard watching fans tear one another down at the time. Although the fans have grown up now when they both comeback it's a celebration now instead of a battle.
I only became a kpop fan in 2020, turned I learnt a decent amount about the history between the two groups. It would’ve been great to see them interact and be friends. I still get surprised when I see members of boy and girl groups interact. Though on the same label, I was shocked to see Hendery and Giselle interact closer than just performing together🥲
No matter how they hated each other. I just remember that I like them a lot!! Almost every Kpop groups from second generations. No matter what big or small companies they were in. They all attracted us by their talents and their concepts. Not only their faces, they were all the real legend of Kpop.
That’s EXACTLY how I feel, I’ve been in kpop since 2011 and the 2nd gen groups no matter how small the companies or big they were all like hidden gems to me!
They didn't really hate each other. That's misleading. In fact, even in this video, they quote Dara as saying that there was NO HATE. They're describing the awkwardness and difficulty in forming friendships due to the company, fandom and business rivalry...that's quite different from hate. The fandoms really went at it. But the artists generally respected each other. At the 2011 MAMA show, you can see SNSD members cheering for 2NE1 when 2NE1 was performing...and dancing along with 2NE1's songs. When Lee Hi was at YG she had a lot of cute interactions with Shinee (especially Jong Hyun) when their promotions overlapped. She later even included Jong Hyun's song "Breathe" on her Seoulite album (and many fans joked about how "sneaky" Lee Hi and Tablo probably had to be in order to do that without Yang Hyun Suk shutting it down). After leaving YG, one of her first collabs was featuring on Chanyeol's "I'm Yours" song.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N I know, they were just having some competition between companies for popularity and other stuff. But tbh, not talking about SNSD or 2NE1 like other groups might have some issues of members to get along with each other. There are always have struggle since not everyone you would like with whether they don’t like you back. So it’s hard to tell who hate who, cuz even the members of the same group can hates each other also. You can expect for other groups.
The way this took a dramatic tone than the actual ep😂 Dara & Jaejoong are long time friends and they spilled quite a number of personal insights & experiences as 2nd & 1st gen kpop artists from YG & SM. Go watch the ep! Also, 2NE1 & GG never really had any bad blood against each other. The companies just didn't want them to mingle to keep the competition fierce & more drama to manipulate the fans.
Yes, I do agree with this. Of of this hatred toward fandom most likely manipulative play from media and company. Let's male example one of the biggest BG cuurently with their massive militant fanbase do everything to make their beloved idol become number 1. Streaming or Billboard chart war never ending. Even the idols themselves keep feeding their fans with delusional facts that make Kpop nowadays more like battleground for them.
If anyone follow BTS, BP, Taylor Swifts fandom, you will understand what I mean. This delusional is on another level that make them start the day full of hatred and toxicity.
Yeah, there was no hatred. (The fandoms generally are another story.) I still remember enjoying watching the 2011 MAMA show and seeing how supportive SNSD members were when 2NE1 performed and got awards. At one point many SNSD members were out of their seats dancing to 2NE1's songs...especially Hyoyeon. Lee Hi also had a lot of cute interactions with Shinee members when their promotions overlapped. She included Jong Hyun's song ("Breathe") on her masterpiece Seoulite album (and people were joking about how she and Tablo had to be sneaky to keep Yang Hyun Suk from cancelling it). She also sang Breathe in a special tribute stage for Jong Hyun. After leaving YG, her first collab was with Chanyeol (another SM artist).
As for fandoms...people who think that 3rd and 4th gen fandoms are toxic just have faulty and nostalgic memories. The fandoms weren't as big as the biggest ones now. But they could be just as nasty and vicious, if not more so. I didn't hate any group, but I was mostly a fan of 2NE1 back then and the SNSD fans hurled so many vicious attacks against every member of 2NE1. (And to be fair Blackjacks weren't innocent either). Then when Twice started out, their fandom also went after 2NE1 viciously, even though 2NE1 was mostly inactive at the time. One reason why Bom's exaggerated "drug smuggling" controversy could never be put in the past is because the other fandoms used it as a weapon literally anytime 2NE1 did anything...and were constantly lying about it, saying she should be in prison and talking about her like she was both a ruined drug addict and also a drug-smuggling crime boss.
SNSD have sung 2ne1 songs a few times on variety shows and they were hyping 2ne1 MAMA stage in 2011. Mimzy was in a bible reading group with few snsd members.
meanwhile red velvet and blackpink being besties
The only good thing about the 2NE1 vs SNSD was that 2NE1 and f(x) became close behind the scenes, because there was no tension between the groups even though the the two groups debuted in the same year with unique concepts that changed kpop forever.
In 2NE1 1st Album Minzy gave a shoutout and thanked her f(x) unnies Luna and Amber in the physical booklet. But, I guess because of the huge rivalry between Blackjacks and Sone's back then, they couldn't show their friendship on camera.
Although after leaving their companies, now f(x) and 2NE1 members openly support each other and it's one of the sweetest things I love to see. 🥰🥰🥰
2NE1 and f(x) had one thing in common:
They were both revolutionaries during their time but their previous companies did them dirty and still feeling the effects of it.
RV & BP love each other 🫶🏻🩷🥹
Say whatever you want but SM will always be the model to follow in the K-pop industry same as trendsetter. Their music versatily and their choreographies,styling,marketing,promotions.... are clean.There is only legends under their roof that some agencies should take notes of the recipe.If I had the opportunity to choose one agency to debut under I would choose SM because even if their training is the hardest ever it pays off and we can see that on every fields of their idols careers.
I love SM artists, but I'm gonna have to disagree.
@@SchweetCookiewhy
LOL SM imported Japanese idol system, especially Johnny's. Nothing special, trendy or diverse.
@@DragonZeldaif what you said id correct, they did it way better and set a trend lol
Gonna agree with you. Even senior idols still have their comeback regularly
*Jaejoong's visual is still crazy*
I don’t mind rivalries, I think having competition is a great way for groups to improve.
Though I believe that the toxicity is unnecessary, especially from netizens.
At the end of the day, we love k-pop music, and we should all respect each other, regardless of which groups we listen to❤
Oh yeah, the fanwars were crazy back then. People threw hands defending their faves' honor both online and offline. Some of these groups had completely different styles so it didn't even make any sense for them to compete. It was wild. I'm glad there's not such a stigma between artists of different companies supporting each other these days.
I’ve been into kpop since 2011 (2ne1 is my ultimate bias group of all time) BUT the 2nd gen groups no matter how small the companies or big they were ALL like hidden gems to me and I love them all in their own way!
I would have preferred sm too, yg seems lazy 2 albums only? And wtf is with those outfits and hair?
Seems like even back in the day they screwed fans over by giving hardly any music 😭 I don't understand. There are so many talented producers out there. Why can't they at least do one album a year for each group?
Same yg gave only 2 albums to bp also but they are allowed to do solo promotion and release solo songs but 2 songs can even consider a mini album like they can just write single release 😂🌚
As a Sone i kove both groups music but for me personally SM's styling of gg is what first attracted me to them.
Been a fan since 2012. I've experienced enough fanwars now that I just laugh at these kids😂
Seriously lol. They have no idea 😂
I didn't know this was a thing, bc i always remember about a friendship that Irene (RV) and Jennie (blackpink) have for each other 💀
It isn't. This channel makes up drama for clout and money.
This channel exaggerates everything, also there did used to be rivalry before blackpink and Red velvet debuted, I think once eco debuted, the rivalry stopped
Love that they still keep it a
Friendly competition.
Back then I was shocked to see when YG and SM idols seemed close for these reasons, like Shinee and Bigbang but then seeing them together I thought oh maybe that was a crazy idea because they're all huge stars,so now I'm shocked again to learn that it actually was the case for some members I was a huge fans of many idols from both companies so i looked at them all with so much love regardless lol
I think sandara will alway remember because they are legends of kpop and she should be proud cause her hair is different not boring no one can look like her cause every individual are different. That is one thing that separate them from other group. And she really carry it well. And i dont think she will be popular if she was with sm rather than yg. Cause dentiny already been set . And her destiny is with yg at that time. In term of music, their music is much better in my opinion. That is the number one reason i like 2ne1 because of their songs.
I remember waiting for 2NE1’s comeback, but then YG dropped the ball on us fans. 😢
I just recently started getting into K-pop over the past year or two now and from what I've seen it just seems like groups nowadays do not interact with each other too much unless they're doing TikTok challenges with their dances and if that's the case that's really sad because at the end of the day I think this industry is big enough for all groups to thrive in and it's just sad that they don't interact with each other or are friends with each other that much 🤷😕
Yes aespa and blackpink are being constantly compared but they're friends. Jisoo invited aespa to the Bornpink tour finale show. Alot of people were shocked to hear that since the fans are always fighting online. I'm just happy that my favourite groups are friends 😊
Yikes,this is a toxic behaviour companies create..being competitive in a constructive way is great but negative rivalry that ends up sabotaging some idols over some weird company rivalry push in negative ways is totally not ethical,it's causes fan wars and stress to idols...
I have the same feeling between SNSD/2NE1 and Twice/BlackPink
SNSD and Twice: 9 members (originally SNSD were 9), cute and cheerful concepts, most appreciated in Korea (different agencies though)
2NE1 and BlackPink: 4 members, hard and sassy concepts, most appreciated internationally, both from YG
...
Is only me the one seeing the similarities?
SNSD are still appreciated even on their solos or till date,they always top 10 GG rank reputation every month, their current number doesn't matter to Koreans,if they announce another comeback it'll be iconic cuz they still have big k fansites
The video is correct in pointing out that the rivalry between the companies, along with busy schedules, made it difficult for friendships to arise between the artists. OTOH, saying that they "used to hate each other" generally doesn't seem accurate. As mentioned in the video, Dara said that there was no hate. It was just that there was a rivalry and circumstances that made it difficult and awkward to be friendly with each other and meet each other, except in passing at big events.
At the MAMA 2011 show, during the 2NE1 performance, you can see most of the members of SNSD (especially Hyoyeon) dancing, vibing and cheering for 2NE1 throughout their performance...and that was during the peak years of their rivalry.
When Lee Hi was at YG, she often met the Shinee members when their promotions overlapped...and the Shinee boys were cheering for her and even danced with her (informally) once when she won for "It's Over". Later, she included a song written by Shinee's Jong Hyun ("Breathe") on her Seoulite album...and performed it also during a memorial stage after Jong Hyun's death. After leaving YG, one of Lee Hi's first collaborations was featuring on Chanyeol's "I'm Yours" song. So there was definitely no hostility or hatred between the two companies' artists...and in many cases there was obviously a lot of mutual respect and admiration.
Darás friendship with Donghae ❤
Yeah the rivalry... i remember those times though I wasn't involved. In every comment section you find Sone and Blackjacks fighting endlessly. Fan wars are still as nasty as they used to be 🙄.
The great thing about enjoying and supporting many groups having a continuous stream of music and content. While one group is preparing for their next comeback, another group drops new content and another group goes on tour. It’s great when you’re not beholden to 1.
2nd gen KPop fan from 2010 here. Primarily a SONE with majority of the KPop songs I know of released by SM Ent.
The thing I noticed between the SNSD and 2NE1 was that both groups in terms of physical style and music are literally very contrast to each other....WHICH IS WHY IT WORKED GREAT FOR THEM.
SNSD and 2NE1 were never in any "competition" technically because while they are both "K-Pop", the overall vibe/aesthetic they create musically and show through their clothes/makeup are on opposite sides.
The fanwars then were just as wild as it is now but SNSD's sparkly & squeaky clean demeanor and 2NE1's edgy non conforming vibe WORKS WELL. One group had a large headcount - nine, one had a smaller number - four.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY COMPLIMENTARY INSTEAD OF COMPETING. They balance each other.
They're literally like the Yin and Yang of the 2nd gen Kpop girl groups which the 3rd and 4th gen groups decided to model themselves after.
I love both the girl groups from Big companies of the 2nd Generation era, but the thing I hate of both the labels is how they mismanaged them
The grass is always greener on the other side: I think both companies have their ups and downs
I don't care, these two created a generation that brought out the best competitions on vocals and stage impact.
I’ve been a kpop fan my whole life the fan wars never stop and never will it’s mostly the fans hating on eachother causing the tensions between the groups I feel like if these didn’t happen a lot of kpop groups would be closer with eachother
I was always angry that 2ne1 didn’t receive better treatment despite being so talented. Their sales and charts outweigh most of the other artists who got more albums and comebacks than them, I never understood why YG didn’t out in better effort for it.Also YG once said 2NE1 is too talented, and I have a feeling it might be linked to that
A lot of weird stuff seems to have been going on. 2NE1 actually stopped being active as a group at the end of 2014. So almost 2 years before Blackpink even debuted, 2NE1 was basically finished. Bom couldn't even show her face without a certain media reporter exaggerating about her "drug smuggling" incident...and all the haters from rival fandoms would always pile on.
There seemed to be some friction between CL and YG, with CL (being a very assertive and strong personality) possibly defying YG on some things. Based on some things I've seen, I get the impression that the project with Will I Am was mostly pushed by CL, ended up being mostly for CL, and ended up just wasting time and money, since nothing for the group ever came out of it...and only CL performed on stage with Will I Am at the 2011 MAMA. Some things I saw back then made me think YG was really unhappy about it.
And of course, for some weird reason, YG never gave Minzy any solo project, even though the other members all got solo projects...and that's probably why she announced she was leaving before any official decision was made or announced by YG. YG also was so focused on the new boy groups and his own reality TV shows (like Mix9) from 2013 through 2018, it's almost a miracle that BP ever succeeded. They were also clearly a very low priority from their debut until sometime in late 2018, when YG was struggling pretty much all across the board. I mean for their debut album, they literally only got two songs...and then had to wait a long time for anything more. Meanwhile, YG was flopping hard in the reality TV shows that he produced...starring him. And the boy groups were having lots of trouble, with key member departures and so on.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N thanks for the update, I was just a kid back then I have no idea how to read news or decipher what they actually means for 2NE1.YG once said that 2NE1 is too powerful, and it always make me think he didn’t want them to go global on purpose because he doesn’t want them starting some sort of trend. I know CL has always been opposing of YG, bc of how he treated her and she is someone who aspires to be independent.anyways thank you for the long edit
Only when the fandoms will grow up, they will understand how useless those fanwars were. Because No one knows what will happen to those groups in near future. Some will disband, some will be forgotten or lose fans. Some may even leave the industry. Does it even matter which one won more awards or which one had more streams or views?! No. You may not even be a K-pop fan in future. Why do you stress yourself and others (specially the artists) with those fan wars?!
bro it says "no views" but there are 13 likes ???
U were too early 😭😭😭
I mean... I love YG artists but the way the company goes around managing them makes me really mad... and now I'm hoping YG doesn't play shit with Blackpink to promote Babymonster!
BP are getting out of there.
They definitely can't do that lol Blackpink is their moneymaker without them they will not necessarily go bankrupt but their prestige will definitely go down and they'll not be part of the big 3 anymore Hybe will swallow them and take their place Babymonster isn't financially stable enough they did that to 2ne1 because they had BigBang lol they can't do that to Bp not rn at least if they renew
@@joellecheumaha2084now they cannot make money from drugs also 😂 winner also might not get active as a group,akmu is doing fine,somi potential is getting wasted i think as a solo artist you should release at least 2mini albums in a raw but she got comeback after 1yr and 6 months, treasure is doing well like they're average,i think babymonster debut might be successful but if they always delayed their comeback they might feel left out and a group were more members are non korean they might not do so well in korean chart they might not feel to much connection with members the Japanese members they can break into Japanese market but let's see what happens
@@isha356 yeah like the hype around baemon is fading already if they keep delaying it then idk but I think they won't delay it anymore
The rivalry between groups back then was actually way better than the internal fanwars among solo stans of the same group now. Like i remember being Dara biased but i have big fat crush on CL, and adored Bom and Minzy to pieces. These days only few fans are actually group stans.
And the most talented members get a lot of hate cuz of insecure solo stans of the less talented members.
I mean although dara was my bias, I always rooted for CL solo activities cuz she really was the most talented member.
Now my main group is NCT but it's messy. The most talented members TEN and Taeyong get a lot of hate from other members' solo stans. It's really toxic.
What a great episode this is. As a TVXQ fan who have witnessed tons of shit since 2nd generation this is such an eye opener and explains alot of past events
Damn Dara spilling the tea😂💀
The main difference between SM and YG, SM A&R's choose songs made by worldwide producers from SM song camps = they get more comebacks. YG Entertainment self-produce their own music with in-house producers and idols so they take longer to comeback.
Eventho SM and YG hate each other, BP and RV pure friendship is everything. It's like a case where two parent is an enemy but their kids still playing together in the playground.
Stop exaggerating Dara's word. Her hairstyle was not stupid it was iconic and if she was debuted in SM she would've been forgotten long ago. People need to be greatful of the opportunity they were given.
Who knows,she might be as still as popular as GG'S member in other field tho
I think it was 2n1 style that makes them so iconic 😅
I was a blackjack then while my friends were sones. They were the sweet type, while i was a bit weird and boyish. SNSD were the icons for those who prefer the CLASSIC IDEAL type while 2NE1 was the ICON of the UNCONVENTIONAL girls. Both are great. But since there will always be stupid fans thus the fanwars.
It’s normal like how sm and yg used to be the biggest companies at one point
2nd Gen Netizen here! I started listening to Kpop in the mid to late 2000s. Anyways, I have ALOT to say about this lol. I've always been team YG all the way up until how bogus YG himself did 2NE1 and I'm a 2ne1 stan! Second, YG's aesthetic was so clutch cause their style was so unique which I love! The only female group in SM that had a very similar style closest to 2ne1 was f(x). I'm ngl though I'm very shocked that many of YG's idols wished they started out with SM, so to me that says alot about what's going on behind the scenes especially with management. But one thing I love about the Korean music industry is their structured artist development programs and how they have trainees. The American industry never had like a structured trainee program like Korea does but there's no artist development anymore, they're just basically signing anyone at this point and I hate it cause I really don't care for alot of these new crappy rappers out these days and some singers. That's why I listen to music from the past decades and era.
I became a kpop fan because of FIRE by 2NE1. I never liked others but i do like few songs of other gg and bg.
forgot to mention that 2ne1 also had the chance to collab with big names from the west but YG never released the songs
It was like the Beatles and the Rolling Stones good boys/bad boys image contrast of the 1960's. Girls Generation were the good girls doing nice songs with impressive dance routines (SM's promotional strategy), while 2NE1 were promoted as rebellious, cool, dangerous, you know, from the street (YG's strategy). Actually both groups were pop acts equally and tightly controlled by their respective companies, and ultimately let down badly by those companies. I'm sure the members of each could have a drink together now.
I think Blackpink doesn’t release a lot of discography as well
this is what I like in sm they always have a promotions unlike yg always wasting time and talent
it feels like the grass is green on the other side situation.
But I remember minzy being close to snsd and snsd members singing 2ne1 songs few times. I didn't watch the original video from jaejoong's yt but I think this vid is much more exaggerating than the original.
I remember the internet blowing up when artists from both sides were actually caught together in pics, like GD&TaeYeon, or when Dara had a pic with DongHae. I loved it when they released these pics
i love GG and 21
No offense to Blinks, but it’s crazy to me that many believe the Blackpink members when they said that their solo comebacks were delayed because they were working hard on them or putting group activities first, be YG is notorious for holding back their artist like this and obviously the girls can’t just outright say something bad about their company. YG was always my least favorite of the “big 3” because they would constantly disregard most of their artist in favor of others, while SM are greedy life-suckers, but open to letting their artist expand their careers (for a cut), and JYP was overly dedicated to a ‘group first’ motto and suck at good promotions, but have a consistent workflow. Plus YG plays favorites so much, and although SM and JYP play favorites too, their favorites were more fan-picked/most profitable vs. just whomever YG decided got their attention that season. I can see why YG artist would like SM over YG or JYP, because SM artist from their same eras have a much broader career, being parts of variety show casts, actors, soloist, being brand ambassador without the rest of the group and more, so when SM artist do leave the company, they have a variety of doors open to them that SM can’t all block, whereas YG has them scrambling to try to make connections on their own.
I witness those toxic times but that time I was a newbie to kpop and even though I am a fan both gg's I lean towards SNSD and the rivalry is so bitter and rough at the same time because of how competitive the music are as well. However, I would still think that even though it was a literal war between Blackjacks and SONE's I'd say it was still better than fan wars today like back then YT is the only source of music and news for us Int'l fan, and no one is able to create fake news about the idol and you can literally see that something is just a fan hating on one because chart manipulation etc isn't a big deal since it's not even that relevant or prevalent during those times so the artists success is pure dedication and talent. It's just a petty war which if you asked a second-generation fan would just laugh it all now because it was really shallow war. We're getting into someone's nerve because they are a fan of the rival group HAHAHAHAHA.
This is literally what's happening right now
I'm glad current Kpop is not as tacky (as far as we know...). Overall, 3rd and 4th Gen idols seem to never have engaged in any kind of petty rivalry.
The rivalry between groups back then was actually way better than the internal fanwars among solo stans of the same group now. Like i remember being Dara biased but i have big fat crush on CL, and adored Bom and Minzy to pieces. These days only few fans are actually group stans.
And the most talented members get a lot of hate cuz of insecure solo stans of the less talented members.
I mean although dara was my bias, I always rooted for CL solo activities cuz she really was the most talented member.
Now my main group is NCT but it's messy. The most talented members TEN and Taeyong and sometimes even the T7S unit get a lot of hate from other members' solo stans. Baggy Jeans was boycotted by a lot of Ncitizens who are "fed up" with the "most exposed" members. It's really toxic.
As an old time SNSD fan I never saw 2NE1 as a big rival tbh. They debuted a couple years later and by that time SNSD was free to dance to 2NE1 songs and fangirl over them and stuff. Although YG really did like to plan comebacks a week or 2 after SNSD to try beat them. SM would delay the comeback, then YG would delay and it was always a dance back and forth. lol
The SNSD v Wonder Girls rivalry back in the day was a lot more vicious, especially since all the big boy group fandoms saw SNSD as the enemy and would use WG as a proxy to ‘beat’ or bash SNSD. Like chanting Wonder Girls when SNSD was performing or organizing mass votings and stuff.
To me, Sandara looks more like an SM idol, when I was new with everything about Kpop, I always thought that Sandara was an SM artist when she appeared on stuff solo, she reminds me of taeyeon from SNSD a lot, they have similar vibes, kinda lookalike too
How could 2009 be one of the most exciting time of the year? In 2009, JYP gg “Wonder Girls” was killin the game with their “Nobody Nobody” Billboard hitter. No competition. First song to make history that crosses boundaries and talks about sex and body. Something kpop song never really touch on.
And after that they went downhill
Not Dara stating she hates the YG dungeon, I swear, I hate that place-
I remember when Minzy said she was inspired by Hyoyeon and wanted to be like her.. I wanna see them do a collab TBH the best dancers ever
ummm armys and exols still are at eachother's neck in twitter even nowadays
I don’t think Dara would have achieved same success under SM. She’s only still mildly relevant bc of 2NE1, and YG. I don’t think she has enough talent to sustain in the music industry. If she was with SM, could she really have prosper as much as she did in YG? As much as I hate the way YG runs like a one man show, single file line, one at a time! I also think the members prospered financially, along with fame with such little work. We all know a lot of idols worked to the bare bones and still can’t even make a decent living. Not only that, Teddy was able to utilize her mediocre talent and made her shine. That’s the thing with YG; they take the little talent and make something great out of it; who else could have done better?!
Agree. She is not that talented . She’s just lucky she has the visual.
*SONE attendance check here* 🙋🏻♀️
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Admittedly, while I am a BlackJack, I did love some of GG's songs. They were very catchy and easy to listen to. Also, I wasn't really aware of the fan wars but if I did, I'd definitely fight for 2ne1. It's also weird to me that Dara was given insane hairstyles back then. YG always referred to the girls as ugly, so why style them that way? Now that I think about it, maybe that's how he really wants to market the girls and they did gain worldwide success.
Not cool idea and its suppose to be a friendly competion not a hate rivalry fans can be influence too
Ahh those were the days when back in twitter where sones and blackjacks fighting back and forth (was team 2ne1 back then and now a multi)
Both snsd and 2ne1 are amazinggg
there was a weird rule going on around in like the 2nd gen of kpop (& might have been around the early days of 3rd gen) that you need to be loyal to 1 group. "a cassie sould always be a cassie" "an elf should love the members equally" "ss501 fans should only like ss501" NO SM vs YG coz even elf & cassie fight against each other 🤣🤣
People do realize that back then YG only had so much staff/producers to make music? They were almost like a indie label in a way. Even now it's still like that as they still rely on Teddy to do everything even though he has the Black Label now. Either way I'm sure both SM and YG staff are exhausted 24/7 taking care of these kids.
off topic but blackpink is only famous because of 2ne1. 2NE1 would have been big and known well by ppl who really dont like kpop, YG should have kept them for a little longer... (no hate or anything to bp... )
So one underworks them and the other overworks them ……, one wastes their talent, the other drains as much as they can get….
yes they didnt liked each other but we have our angel Jonghyun who was even invited to yg family concert its like an sm town concert , and he was the only non yg artist who was invited + now they are realy like each other
Bruh, both the companies are using the artists as a game of chess :/ to compbeat who is best out of em
Dara was too pretty to be styled the way she was...
but it was probably easier to put on her than the other members...
Nah.. its YG Ent fault they never value 2ne1.. they waste thier talents right from the start to be honest....
Omg i remember being a hardcore 2ne1 fan and hating on SNSD. Run Devil Run made me start to like SNSD but i remember being the "their just all cutesy" hater
yg ent. gives good songs but they can't manage their groups take blackpink for example :1 comeback every two years?
poor yg artist getting no music at all is just sad saying this as a fan of a lot of yg artists
Dara would be perfect with Girl's Generation concept
Meanwhile me chilling as a SONE & BLACKJACK!!!
2ne1 is the best till now
You can tell by how girly Minji dresses now, that boyish style that put her in was totally not her.
Actually They were mini albums
Yay the human voice
Isn’t it crazy that Irene always interact with Blackpink even though they are from SM/YG? She really DGIF
Doesnt sound like they hated each other to me
I love both of these girl grps but I lean on more as a Sone tbh.