Two things can be correct at the same time, logically speaking... the problem is that a contradiction cannot exist in that scenario. A cannot be both A and non-A at the same time.
Kaddem be like "I'm not a scholar but I need to talk to explain this discrepancy so my voice is the voice that needs to dominate this discussion. " Typical dawah dummy. 😢 😭
@YHSHUA Why was the Koran translated out of Arabic in the first place, since you can't really understand it unless it's in the Arabic and then you'd still need the hadiths and tafsir and a scholar to explain it to you. And why are there so many different English versions of the Koran anyway? Isn't that a clear sign it's been corrupted?
🤣🤣🤣🤣 My bible says practically nothing that I believe, it's full of atrocities such as the mass murdering of babies and children, makes my "god" look weak and stupid, but you Muslims look so foolish it's embarrassing! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Psalms 137 9 Happy is he who would take his enemy's babies and bash them into the rocks. Deuteronomy 23:2 a bastard shall not enter heaven for eternity. Then, in later versions, it says for 10 generations because they realize how bad that sounded, like this makes it any better. You're so called holy book also says people who are bastards cannot go to church with people who are not bastards, so all the bastards just have to go to church together. Now go ahead and give your explanations for this nonsense, embarrass yourself and put your foolishness on full display.
Saddens me that the enemy has deceived so many in a people group that was mistreated so much for so long. God loves those who were Downtrodden, and he will not forsake their descendants. Remember the Arabs Muslims and their ancestors for well over 1000 years had been enslaving Black people from Africa for over 1000 years. Then whites from Europe, and don’t forget the other tribes in Africa that bought and sold and kidnapped. Still happens. God open the hearts of Black people of America to you again.
There is a big difference between a question and an answer. There’s a difference between an opinion, and confirmation. This is the work of the Satan at its finest. He knows where each person is and if he can access a person’s mind, that is where he can breed all kinds of confusion, deception, and into a life of falsehood. It’s always the condition of the heart. If you are willing to humble yourself before God and ask Him to show you truth, even if it challenges everything that you believe, you just want to be right in His sight, this is the way to true freedom. God is not a spirit of confusion and He longs to be known, but we must be humble to see Him and accept His way to real salvation. He’s not going to have you following Him, only to end up still without assurance of eternity.
If only our bible had such minor issues like this! The debate is over a single letter difference, but our bibles have a different number of books and entitre chapters missing
@pinkiedapimp your problem is that one letter changed the entire context. The extra books in the Bible don't change the context. And that is the point It's not about more words or less words. It's about context
To some that are saying, they didn't let Kadeem speak, are yall serious? They let him talk at the beginning and when it was the others turn he would interrupt them. Thats is why everyone was speaking over eachother cause he would not let anyone finish. I seen so many videos here and mostly everyone will let everyone speak.
You cannot fix the inconsistencies without saying, and this Black Muslim did, that the readings were transcribed less than letter perfect. The Quran is far more cut and paste than either Old Testament or New Testament parts of the Bible.
@@primeminister66 I’m sorry you can’t read in between the lines Karen…clearly from this vid THIS black guy does not know Arabic and is trying to explain Arabic to knowledgeable native Arabic speakers 🤡
Whose word would you be more apt to believe? A native Arabic whose first language arabic. Or a non native arabic whose first language is english. This is pretty much commonn sense. @@primeminister66
Two things can be correct at the same time, logically speaking... the problem is that a contradiction cannot exist in that scenario. 'A' cannot be both 'A' and non-'A' at the same time. One of the first laws of logic that this guy misses.
The problem is atheists are right and religious people are right also, and both can not be more wrong because God exists and the intelligent creator of the universe is not what atheists call "sky daddy". The bloody debate is stagnated. To settle the debate you have to read Spinoza. You are ready to read Spinoza if you understand the atheist logical fallacy. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. To end Islam and the war you have to ask for proof that the Quran was memorized. Trust me. Thank you.
Besides the ridiculous argument that correct can mean non discriminatory. It seems to me his objection was being misunderstood. He was arguing Muhammad could have said both and Tabari was choosing the position he’s most familiar with. The problem with this argument is that both his listening skills and comprehension must be that of a donkey. First Tabari is saying he’s familiar with multiple iterations and is trying to solve a contradiction. On the second layer Muhammad is telling a story about a singular narrative; we know that because only one word changed. Unless Muhammad is doctor strange and can hope between universes, you would have to argue that the characters repeated the same narrative in the same dialogue but switched up the words.
Extreme brainwashing is all I can say. How is this a religion? Evil or stupid, I feel sorry for the stupid one's, although they have a chance if hearts are not evil.
First of all, you didn't even read quran and listening to a video trying to bring it down While you yourself don't even know it, just from media as usual Anyways islam is fastest growing religion and by 2050 it will be the number 1 religion in the world whether you like it or not People are finally being awoken and stopped to listen and yap what TV says and finally grabbed the quran itself and read it And you can see thousands of Americans, germans, Britain's and many more across the globe reverting and even posting their story So going out here writing a nasty comment bashing a religion shows alot about your ignorance and arrogance both together Hope God guides is all to the right pass
You know I have to deal with this with African American Muslims each time I speak with them concerning their errant beliefs here in the U.S...excellent work you all
That conversation was RIDICULOUS, he used a whole lot of words to say NOTHING. He hid behind his own ridiculous reasoning. Make a square into a circle. 24mn of lunacy.
And why would that girl whoever she is ask why come here? That’s condescending at large. Like dammmmmnnnn you hype cause you know some scripture? 😂 relax. You’re literally pushing him away.
Yea yall definitely need work on organizing you’re debates. Y’all mean good but y’all all over the place. No control. Nothing organized. No note taking. Interrupting by the hosts to a GUEST. Hall went from thank you for my flower he gave you I’m the start to not seeing him as one of you guys cause he disagrees. When y’all talk within each other their a no way that little girl is interrupting Logic and the other one too. I’m pretty sure y’all respect each other more than that. Willing to wait and listen even though they might be wrong. Go back play the videos cause that was cringe for him. It was a gang assault. Even told him you’re going to kick him out? Sounds like a Pharisees logic. 😂
If a non arabic muslim can argue with arabic speaker...tell me, do you still think we can change Thier mind...i hope godlogic and his team to change your tactics
GodLogic, please get rid of this woman. She is constantly interrupting and misrepresenting what the muslim say. Ahe hijacks the entire conversation with erroneous understanding - she discusses as if she is in jihad trying to silence her opponents.
Avery:"did you ask me or did you tell me?" Abdul:"Error! That is not in my programming!" And the joke is that this abdul came in talking about logic, but throws it out the window when its his own position that is refuted.
Another epic quote from DOC! The Muslim says the usual 'I'm not a scholar...it is above my pay grade' JAI says let us see if AlmTabari agrees with you and DOC adds ' that's the pay grade you were referring to' 😢
I agree with them but i wish they would let people finish talking. I get you don't wanna hear ignorance but if you want someone to listen to what you have to say and to answer your questions you should be willing to do the same.
"This is how I understand it" is his way of saying "This is how I excuse the error" Its like reading a passage in the Quran and then sayings "This is about sam i am and geeen eggs and ham...this is how i understand it" Weak
I'm a Christian but I wish you'd allow Muslims to land their points so that you can refute their arguments properly. Jai and Doc are over-speaking like Muslims and it's annoying.
They let him speak, and when it was the others' turn to talk, he would interrupt thats why they were speaking over each other. Plus, he was not answering the questions when asked. Theres other videos here where everyone lets everyone speak with interruption.
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature.[5] The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.[6] Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry.[7
Please abdools try to understand: if someone ask you a question that starts with " do you..? " the only answer can be given is YES or No. There is no third option... If you use a third option that means that : A. You dont want to answer the question B. You are trying to avoid the question C. You are running from the question All indicates that you are NOT honest and not worthy to continue the conversation You get it?? 😊
Here is dualism in practice. Even permitting shirk. A translation by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on - perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both.[1] It was presumably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than those of his Persian interlocutor.[2] In the seventh conversation (διάλεξις - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to some of the experts, this is probably one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”[3] The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably (σὺν λόγω) is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".[4] The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature.[5] The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.[6] Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry.[7]
Sources and footnotes . Why do you think Islam was so upset by the former popes academic persuits? [1] Of the total number of 26 conversations (διάλεξις - Khoury translates this as “controversy”) in the dialogue (“Entretien”), T. Khoury published the 7th “controversy” with footnotes and an extensive introduction on the origin of the text, on the manuscript tradition and on the structure of the dialogue, together with brief summaries of the “controversies” not included in the edition; the Greek text is accompanied by a French translation: “Manuel II Paléologue, Entretiens avec un Musulman. 7e Controverse”, Sources Chrétiennes n. 115, Paris 1966. In the meantime, Karl Förstel published in Corpus Islamico-Christianum (Series Graeca ed. A. T. Khoury and R. Glei) an edition of the text in Greek and German with commentary: “Manuel II. Palaiologus, Dialoge mit einem Muslim”, 3 vols., Würzburg-Altenberge 1993-1996. As early as 1966, E. Trapp had published the Greek text with an introduction as vol. II of Wiener byzantinische Studien. I shall be quoting from Khoury’s edition. [2] On the origin and redaction of the dialogue, cf. Khoury, pp. 22-29; extensive comments in this regard can also be found in the editions of Förstel and Trapp. [3] Controversy VII, 2 c: Khoury, pp. 142-143; Förstel, vol. I, VII. Dialog 1.5, pp. 240-241. In the Muslim world, this quotation has unfortunately been taken as an expression of my personal position, thus arousing understandable indignation. I hope that the reader of my text can see immediately that this sentence does not express my personal view of the Qur’an, for which I have the respect due to the holy book of a great religion. In quoting the text of the Emperor Manuel II, I intended solely to draw out the essential relationship between faith and reason. On this point I am in agreement with Manuel II, but without endorsing his polemic. [4] Controversy VII, 3 b-c: Khoury, pp. 144-145; Förstel vol. I, VII. Dialog 1.6, pp. 240-243. [5] It was purely for the sake of this statement that I quoted the dialogue between Manuel and his Persian interlocutor. In this statement the theme of my subsequent reflections emerges. [6] Cf. Khoury, p. 144, n. 1. [7] R. Arnaldez, Grammaire et théologie chez Ibn Hazm de Cordoue, Paris 1956, p. 13; cf. Khoury, p. 144. The fact that comparable positions exist in the theology of the late Middle Ages will appear later in my discourse.
You tube seems to be deleting anything with a link Search under BILL warner and dualism and the Vatican website under MEETING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF SCIENCE LECTURE OF THE HOLY FATHER Aula Magna of the University of Regensburg Tuesday, 12 September 2006
Love these videos, very informative. But my only problem is not letting the muslim guy finish. I get it, his stance is incorrect, but I think it's better to let people get it out, then explain to them why they're incorrect. No one likes being cut off, and felt like their words don't matter, and it leads to arguing and frustration. Not saying you're not a Christian, just that I think it would be better to let them finish their thought unless they were being rude and disrespectful. Also not saying you dont always not let people finish.
I dont care who is right or not.. when Using logic use logic and not a taught ideology. The rendering of someone else could also be wrong cause he remembered it wrong, something he did not think of. But it is also logical.
Sometimes y’all do this gang on you tactic. If you’re going to discuss you have to let the person finish their thought and be tolerant cause you claim you love. What’s more important correcting someone statement or letting them finish speaking when they are asking you respectfully? Y’all young bulls I understand but that’s basic mannerism and a line of respectability. You’re telling him he’s wrong in between him speaking and yet he didn’t cut you off the first time you spoke. He told you make the point after he’s done not cut him off cause he has thoughts to point to doesn’t matter if you think he’s wrong. That’s not the point. And no non Muslim and Christian. Is a reason why Logic stays quite while he knows that interrupting is rude no matter what facts you have.
My question, why do Muslims have Hadiths, Tafsirs, Sunnas etc. Christians only rely on the Bible and the Bible alone to answer questions but they must go to a variety of different sources and you are none the wiser after been taken around the world with the Muslim Shuffle
@@Dr.D-h3z lol...... If you are talking about Hadiths, Tafsirs, and Sunnas, no, their moon god did not reveal these documents. A hadith includes all transmitted sayings or doings of the Prophet. Tafsir is suppose to be the explanation or interpretation of verses in the quran. The sunna refers to the practices, actions and the sayings of their fake prophet. It is suppose to be a "how to" guide on living a righteous life, if you can believe that. Evidently, even though the quran is supposed to be the clear word of their god, NO ONE can understand it. Thus, they had to create the hadith, tafsir and sunna for enlightenment.
"Two things can be correct at the same time!"
Relativism's a helluva drug...
Two things can be correct at the same time, logically speaking... the problem is that a contradiction cannot exist in that scenario. A cannot be both A and non-A at the same time.
Two things can be true at the same time, but not two contradictory things. Amen.
Not in the same context especially in proving a fraud
Kaddem be like "I'm not a scholar but I need to talk to explain this discrepancy so my voice is the voice that needs to dominate this discussion. " Typical dawah dummy. 😢 😭
Bro is American and arguing with Arabs on what an Arabic word means 😂😂
You nailed this comment! i approve this message!
Godlogic is too soft. He needs to learn from christian prince and Shamoun how to stop the abdools dead in their tracks.
@@song4night
I disagree, mostly. He's allowing the ignorant umma to display their ignorance.
@YHSHUA
Why was the Koran translated out of Arabic in the first place, since you can't really understand it unless it's in the Arabic and then you'd still need the hadiths and tafsir and a scholar to explain it to you. And why are there so many different English versions of the Koran anyway? Isn't that a clear sign it's been corrupted?
What cowardice.
"I'm here to defend the preservation of the quran."
"I'm just an ignorant layman so don't question my argument!"
Muslim shuffle 👍
Lord save the brothers from Islam please, it makes them look so foolish, it’s so embarrassing. Amen 🙏🏾
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My bible says practically nothing that I believe, it's full of atrocities such as the mass murdering of babies and children, makes my "god" look weak and stupid, but you Muslims look so foolish it's embarrassing!
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Psalms 137 9 Happy is he who would take his enemy's babies and bash them into the rocks.
Deuteronomy 23:2 a bastard shall not enter heaven for eternity.
Then, in later versions, it says for 10 generations because they realize how bad that sounded, like this makes it any better.
You're so called holy book also says people who are bastards cannot go to church with people who are not bastards, so all the bastards just have to go to church together.
Now go ahead and give your explanations for this nonsense, embarrass yourself and put your foolishness on full display.
Lol. For real and for sure.
Yeah we have to feel bad, not angry or upset in any way. Christ always saves the lost, pray for them, remember to, as best as we can.
Saddens me that the enemy has deceived so many in a people group that was mistreated so much for so long. God loves those who were Downtrodden, and he will not forsake their descendants. Remember the Arabs Muslims and their ancestors for well over 1000 years had been enslaving Black people from Africa for over 1000 years. Then whites from Europe, and don’t forget the other tribes in Africa that bought and sold and kidnapped. Still happens.
God open the hearts of Black people of America to you again.
Apparently context can be subjective in Islam if it’s in either the form of a question or a statement being made lol. WOW!!!
There is a big difference between a question and an answer. There’s a difference between an opinion, and confirmation.
This is the work of the Satan at its finest. He knows where each person is and if he can access a person’s mind, that is where he can breed all kinds of confusion, deception, and into a life of falsehood. It’s always the condition of the heart. If you are willing to humble yourself before God and ask Him to show you truth, even if it challenges everything that you believe, you just want to be right in His sight, this is the way to true freedom. God is not a spirit of confusion and He longs to be known, but we must be humble to see Him and accept His way to real salvation. He’s not going to have you following Him, only to end up still without assurance of eternity.
If this was in the Bible they would say it's a contradiction and it's corrupt.
If only our bible had such minor issues like this! The debate is over a single letter difference, but our bibles have a different number of books and entitre chapters missing
@pinkiedapimp your problem is that one letter changed the entire context.
The extra books in the Bible don't change the context. And that is the point
It's not about more words or less words. It's about context
@@PaulSmith-vn4luhe’s a muslim. We never write the Bible in lowercase
Jai and DoC are an amazing team. More anointing 🙏✝
Poor guy, he's so excited to defend his religion; he's willing to throw his logic into the trash can.
“Asking” and “telling” are the same thing. 🤪
Keep yappin without any answer😂
ooooohhhh Jai and Doc cook am definitely subscribing
Kadeem skipped English/Language Arts class! Everyone knows the difference between a statement and a question!🙄
The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords. Psalm 55:21
Bible has some bars 🙌
Ok!
He spoke in coco butter terms
after all these years, I'm still confused about Muhammad 😂😂 what did he do to be followed. i can't think of anything good about him
Kadeem Rose is a waste man. Islam has messed him up nig time 😮
Why does he argue hopeless
To some that are saying, they didn't let Kadeem speak, are yall serious? They let him talk at the beginning and when it was the others turn he would interrupt them. Thats is why everyone was speaking over eachother cause he would not let anyone finish. I seen so many videos here and mostly everyone will let everyone speak.
You cannot fix the inconsistencies without saying, and this Black Muslim did, that the readings were transcribed less than letter perfect. The Quran is far more cut and paste than either Old Testament or New Testament parts of the Bible.
The devil will always try to justify what he knows to be wrong. Is there any honest Muslim in this world.
A black non Arab trying tell native Arab what Arabic is 🤦 😭😭😭
I’m not Arab but a non Arab can’t be well versed in Arabic?
@@primeminister66
We have people who wrote books of Arabic grammar in a poem. The Arabs couldn't believe it.
@@primeminister66 I’m sorry you can’t read in between the lines Karen…clearly from this vid THIS black guy does not know Arabic and is trying to explain Arabic to knowledgeable native Arabic speakers 🤡
I couldn't believe my ears.
Whose word would you be more apt to believe? A native Arabic whose first language arabic. Or a non native arabic whose first language is english. This is pretty much commonn sense. @@primeminister66
The only thinga about the Quran that are preserved are the holes in the standard narrative.
More Holes Then a Swiss Cheese 😂 ✌️
Two things can be correct at the same time, logically speaking... the problem is that a contradiction cannot exist in that scenario. 'A' cannot be both 'A' and non-'A' at the same time. One of the first laws of logic that this guy misses.
Welcome to islam qnd muslim apologetics. Alhamdulilah
Why does it seem in islam their method of interpreting scripture is to create reasonable doubt.
Lmbo😂
big shoutout to DOC and JAI
Every average Muslim is trying to avoid doubt 😂😂😂
But if it's God's revelation, why would he recite it multiple different ways? That's the confusing point
The problem is atheists are right and religious people are right also, and both can not be more wrong because God exists and the intelligent creator of the universe is not what atheists call "sky daddy". The bloody debate is stagnated. To settle the debate you have to read Spinoza. You are ready to read Spinoza if you understand the atheist logical fallacy. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. To end Islam and the war you have to ask for proof that the Quran was memorized. Trust me. Thank you.
Besides the ridiculous argument that correct can mean non discriminatory. It seems to me his objection was being misunderstood. He was arguing Muhammad could have said both and Tabari was choosing the position he’s most familiar with. The problem with this argument is that both his listening skills and comprehension must be that of a donkey. First Tabari is saying he’s familiar with multiple iterations and is trying to solve a contradiction. On the second layer Muhammad is telling a story about a singular narrative; we know that because only one word changed. Unless Muhammad is doctor strange and can hope between universes, you would have to argue that the characters repeated the same narrative in the same dialogue but switched up the words.
Guy's going against his own Islamic scholars 😹. Civil war it seems
Qur'an is rubbish indeed
It seems like in Islam your interpretation is the right interpretation. What are the scholars even for?
You ain't "passionate" Kadeem.... you are a son of the father of all lieeees
Noooo...
He is a son of mutah 👍
It doesn't matter what you say to this guy he'll contradict it, the worse type of know-it-all.
thats most muslims sadly
Arrogance personified
Extreme brainwashing is all I can say. How is this a religion? Evil or stupid, I feel sorry for the stupid one's, although they have a chance if hearts are not evil.
First of all, you didn't even read quran and listening to a video trying to bring it down
While you yourself don't even know it, just from media as usual
Anyways islam is fastest growing religion and by 2050 it will be the number 1 religion in the world whether you like it or not
People are finally being awoken and stopped to listen and yap what TV says and finally grabbed the quran itself and read it
And you can see thousands of Americans, germans, Britain's and many more across the globe reverting and even posting their story
So going out here writing a nasty comment bashing a religion shows alot about your ignorance and arrogance both together
Hope God guides is all to the right pass
Tell me the evil things in the quran ?!
I can get u a list from your bible
@@hihello-yw3ty The list is to long on the evils of the quran would an eternity 😂😂😂
In Islam deception is king.
Now even questions can be statements. Unbelievable 😂
DoC is cold😂😂😂😂
Hommie just said a whole bunch of nothing
You know I have to deal with this with African American Muslims each time I speak with them concerning their errant beliefs here in the U.S...excellent work you all
Is he stupid or he is stupid? It is the same. Pure logic.
That conversation was RIDICULOUS, he used a whole lot of words to say NOTHING. He hid behind his own ridiculous reasoning. Make a square into a circle. 24mn of lunacy.
Makes we wonder why there aren't any Arab Olympic champions in gymnastics. They are very good at it.
Game of semantic to avoid the fact that multiple version of the qu'ran can be found all accross the Muslim world
I guess this proves that you can't argue people into the kingdom of God.
Using English inflections to defend your position of Arabic contradictions is funny.
This guy made no sense at all.
Without lies, islam dies
i love the fact that DoC is an arab AND a christian!
if uthman left only one quran, half version, then where these seven variasions came from?
And why would that girl whoever she is ask why come here? That’s condescending at large. Like dammmmmnnnn you hype cause you know some scripture? 😂 relax. You’re literally pushing him away.
7:39 LOL
Yea yall definitely need work on organizing you’re debates. Y’all mean good but y’all all over the place. No control. Nothing organized. No note taking. Interrupting by the hosts to a GUEST. Hall went from thank you for my flower he gave you I’m the start to not seeing him as one of you guys cause he disagrees. When y’all talk within each other their a no way that little girl is interrupting Logic and the other one too. I’m pretty sure y’all respect each other more than that. Willing to wait and listen even though they might be wrong. Go back play the videos cause that was cringe for him. It was a gang assault. Even told him you’re going to kick him out? Sounds like a Pharisees logic. 😂
In prayers, always,Christians,do keep up the good work, n Muslims see the truth..
Kadeem its logic. But if you use logic to him he doesn’t want it. LOL. This Flying Carpet religion are really something
Flying carpet what ?
Christianity also came from middle east if you don't know
All these fake Christians commenting it’s ridiculous
If a non arabic muslim can argue with arabic speaker...tell me, do you still think we can change Thier mind...i hope godlogic and his team to change your tactics
GodLogic, please get rid of this woman. She is constantly interrupting and misrepresenting what the muslim say.
Ahe hijacks the entire conversation with erroneous understanding - she discusses as if she is in jihad trying to silence her opponents.
Avery:"did you ask me or did you tell me?"
Abdul:"Error! That is not in my programming!"
And the joke is that this abdul came in talking about logic, but throws it out the window when its his own position that is refuted.
The quest'nable Muslim scholastics
And the dawahgandist gymnastics -
Rational belief?
I get no relief;
My brains respond in an [asterisk]! 🤬
Is this sentence Above my pay grade a new proving point of these dawah abdools.😂😂😂
And then telling someone cause we say yo e wrong you can’t talk yo ur point. 😂😂😂😂😂 omg Lord have mercy
Just coz he can’t answer you doesn’t make your belief truth always remember that
Another epic quote from DOC! The Muslim says the usual 'I'm not a scholar...it is above my pay grade' JAI says let us see if AlmTabari agrees with you and DOC adds ' that's the pay grade you were referring to' 😢
I agree with them but i wish they would let people finish talking. I get you don't wanna hear ignorance but if you want someone to listen to what you have to say and to answer your questions you should be willing to do the same.
i dont have the patience for guys like kadeem. i'd have said "dude STFU and directly answer the F-ing question"
The pay grade comeback was epic 🔥
"This is how I understand it" is his way of saying "This is how I excuse the error"
Its like reading a passage in the Quran and then sayings "This is about sam i am and geeen eggs and ham...this is how i understand it"
Weak
If A is correct and B isn’t A therefore B is incorrect and wrong.
More daughter of Christ please
DOC is a savage…
I'm a Christian but I wish you'd allow Muslims to land their points so that you can refute their arguments properly. Jai and Doc are over-speaking like Muslims and it's annoying.
They let him speak, and when it was the others' turn to talk, he would interrupt thats why they were speaking over each other. Plus, he was not answering the questions when asked. Theres other videos here where everyone lets everyone speak with interruption.
They are so intelligent!🤔🥴😫😩 it is sadddddddddd
Logic be laughing at folks lol
You can't make this up
FACTS OVER SENTIMENTS!!!
Muslim logic mind blowing
please can someone educate me about Muhammad. what good did he do to be role model
Doc is not for play play
Quran is cocobutterlotion😹. Don't insult the cocobutterlotion😆
Very dishonest
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature.[5] The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.[6] Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry.[7
Please abdools try to understand: if someone ask you a question that starts with " do you..? " the only answer can be given is YES or No. There is no third option...
If you use a third option that means that :
A. You dont want to answer the question
B. You are trying to avoid the question
C. You are running from the question
All indicates that you are NOT honest and not worthy to continue the conversation
You get it?? 😊
Here is dualism in practice. Even permitting shirk. A translation by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on - perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both.[1] It was presumably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than those of his Persian interlocutor.[2]
In the seventh conversation (διάλεξις - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to some of the experts, this is probably one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”[3] The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably (σὺν λόγω) is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".[4]
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature.[5] The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality.[6] Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry.[7]
Sources and footnotes . Why do you think Islam was so upset by the former popes academic persuits? [1] Of the total number of 26 conversations (διάλεξις - Khoury translates this as “controversy”) in the dialogue (“Entretien”), T. Khoury published the 7th “controversy” with footnotes and an extensive introduction on the origin of the text, on the manuscript tradition and on the structure of the dialogue, together with brief summaries of the “controversies” not included in the edition; the Greek text is accompanied by a French translation: “Manuel II Paléologue, Entretiens avec un Musulman. 7e Controverse”, Sources Chrétiennes n. 115, Paris 1966. In the meantime, Karl Förstel published in Corpus Islamico-Christianum (Series Graeca ed. A. T. Khoury and R. Glei) an edition of the text in Greek and German with commentary: “Manuel II. Palaiologus, Dialoge mit einem Muslim”, 3 vols., Würzburg-Altenberge 1993-1996. As early as 1966, E. Trapp had published the Greek text with an introduction as vol. II of Wiener byzantinische Studien. I shall be quoting from Khoury’s edition.
[2] On the origin and redaction of the dialogue, cf. Khoury, pp. 22-29; extensive comments in this regard can also be found in the editions of Förstel and Trapp.
[3] Controversy VII, 2 c: Khoury, pp. 142-143; Förstel, vol. I, VII. Dialog 1.5, pp. 240-241. In the Muslim world, this quotation has unfortunately been taken as an expression of my personal position, thus arousing understandable indignation. I hope that the reader of my text can see immediately that this sentence does not express my personal view of the Qur’an, for which I have the respect due to the holy book of a great religion. In quoting the text of the Emperor Manuel II, I intended solely to draw out the essential relationship between faith and reason. On this point I am in agreement with Manuel II, but without endorsing his polemic.
[4] Controversy VII, 3 b-c: Khoury, pp. 144-145; Förstel vol. I, VII. Dialog 1.6, pp. 240-243.
[5] It was purely for the sake of this statement that I quoted the dialogue between Manuel and his Persian interlocutor. In this statement the theme of my subsequent reflections emerges.
[6] Cf. Khoury, p. 144, n. 1.
[7] R. Arnaldez, Grammaire et théologie chez Ibn Hazm de Cordoue, Paris 1956, p. 13; cf. Khoury, p. 144. The fact that comparable positions exist in the theology of the late Middle Ages will appear later in my discourse.
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MEETING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF SCIENCE
LECTURE OF THE HOLY FATHER
Aula Magna of the University of Regensburg
Tuesday, 12 September 2006
Love these videos, very informative. But my only problem is not letting the muslim guy finish. I get it, his stance is incorrect, but I think it's better to let people get it out, then explain to them why they're incorrect. No one likes being cut off, and felt like their words don't matter, and it leads to arguing and frustration. Not saying you're not a Christian, just that I think it would be better to let them finish their thought unless they were being rude and disrespectful. Also not saying you dont always not let people finish.
Silly Abdool
Its so funny how they cannot see the truth with open eyes…🤣🤣🤣
Dumb.
I dont care who is right or not.. when Using logic use logic and not a taught ideology. The rendering of someone else could also be wrong cause he remembered it wrong, something he did not think of. But it is also logical.
Sometimes y’all do this gang on you tactic. If you’re going to discuss you have to let the person finish their thought and be tolerant cause you claim you love. What’s more important correcting someone statement or letting them finish speaking when they are asking you respectfully? Y’all young bulls I understand but that’s basic mannerism and a line of respectability. You’re telling him he’s wrong in between him speaking and yet he didn’t cut you off the first time you spoke. He told you make the point after he’s done not cut him off cause he has thoughts to point to doesn’t matter if you think he’s wrong. That’s not the point. And no non Muslim and Christian. Is a reason why Logic stays quite while he knows that interrupting is rude no matter what facts you have.
My question, why do Muslims have Hadiths, Tafsirs, Sunnas etc. Christians only rely on the Bible and the Bible alone to answer questions but they must go to a variety of different sources and you are none the wiser after been taken around the world with the Muslim Shuffle
Because "al-Lah knows best." lol
Because their religion is built on a house of cards
@@shiner_man did Allah reveals these other books?
@@Dr.D-h3z
lol......
If you are talking about Hadiths, Tafsirs, and Sunnas, no, their moon god did not reveal these documents. A hadith includes all transmitted sayings or doings of the Prophet. Tafsir is suppose to be the explanation or interpretation of verses in the quran. The sunna refers to the practices, actions and the sayings of their fake prophet. It is suppose to be a "how to" guide on living a righteous life, if you can believe that. Evidently, even though the quran is supposed to be the clear word of their god, NO ONE can understand it. Thus, they had to create the hadith, tafsir and sunna for enlightenment.
Love what you guys are doing 🙏🏾❤️
That man is so irritating
I like these bite size clips
Sahih Muslim 1602 🫢🫢🫢
"Chapter: The permissibility of selling animals for animals of the same kind and of different quality" 😑😑🤢🤢
@@speshwemmick6225 very true
@@lahleholivia7398 I hadn't focussed on chapter heading before.... satansick
it was painful listening Kadeem , Liar
That guy was a waste of time
Then why you here
Damnnn I Am to early 😅
Logic??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I will be honest even as a Christian : I think you guys are not letting him respond : logic don't lose you style bro
Mississippi in the house