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Mon-toss can give you an out for most geo-puzzles and summoning a nether word can erase the actual effect in the area, those are other options available to you. You did a great try dood.
@@Hajilex yeah, playing it currently and i can say it's awful even compared to D2. One of the most suck thing there is how the game limits you from doing things, like the Dark Assembly foremost. I haven't played 3 and 5, but in 1 and 2 at least it's easy to bribe senators because you can give them whatever item you like. But 4 just made it hell lot harder by making each party having specific item type preferences. And let's not forget that you have to buy most skills with MANA, that makes it even harder to use the Dark Assembly, including reincarnation and creating generic characters.
@@srash8854 you think that's bad The characters are purely joke machines with minimal depth (except Artina and Emizel) and the story is just an awful human-bad plot
@@Hajilex i agree. I was just stressing on the gameplay. Disgaea was never about the main story anyway. The mana dependence makes farming lots more complicated and harder because you need to farm them too. Some weapon skills are harder to unlock too because it depends on the character level, not weapon skill level like the predecessors. It just hampers your farming progress heavily than ever.
@@Primalliquid92 do you have d5 complete i got alot of good and strong prinnys i think with more patience you can with the prinnys i have i haven't even started poisondies yet cause I'm grinding when all my characters including dlc ones are at least level 21 and have 100 or more mana I'm reincarnating and build them up again till there stats are maxed
@@n.i.c.kthegothicreaper3259 He said right at the start he cannot use DLC. The DLC in Disgaea 5 is VERY cheaty so it makes sense why he reufsed to use it.
There is a way to deal with that effect that hits you with Prinny-killing damage: You can summon your Netherworld to cancel out the effect. When you do that, your Netherworld's effect displaces the stage effect. Although I need to test it. You finally FAILED a challenge. I guess it was bound to happen... dood. :(
@@tsdumba1 you can use as soon as you have 1 bonus point And on dark assembly (charge bonus gauge!) Will make you start with level 3 and you can immediately use it before you even use any character
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He needs to see this comment because that is my exact thoughts. I want to see this go through! All he needs to do is use a filler on turn 1 then use the summon netherworld
@@oLawlieto wait I don’t understand how that violates rule one. Single prinny uses filler item to get at least one pip of bonus meter. Then he spends that pip to swap his nether world effect nullifying the current bomb run thing
No other Disgaea can be beaten this way. They all require something to be lifted and thrown at some point, which monsters can't yet do. Disgaea 3 and 4 can at least be beaten with a single humanoid unit, Disgaea 1, 2, and D2 all require at least one helper unit to throw the "main" unit at least once. DD2 *might* be beatable with 1 Ninja, since, if I remember correctly, Ninjas in that game get the Ninja Art: Switch skill, that can let them cross gaps by themselves. Finally, Disgaea 1 requires far more grinding than the rest, partially because of the Gargantua Deck, the big cannons absolutely shred units, and partially because Lamington is a very, very hard fight to out-stamina with just one unit.
I don't even know what Disgaea is. I don't know why this was in my recommended. I don't understand the mechanics. But by God, if I see a challenge video, I'm watching it.
Oh the series is one of my favorites, though I would definitely dive into Disgaea 1 first, not only because I found it's characters the most memorable, but also because the learning curve in Disgaea 5 would overwhelm a lot of people who haven't experienced some of the features and mechanics of prior iterations.
@@stephenlujan8512 4 does a pretty good job of teaching people about the stuff and not overwhelm ya. Plus it is on game pass for PC so in a sense it is free so people can give it a shot with out any real cost to them.
Right off the bat, only using one character would mean that one character levels up _really_ fast. Also, Prinnys only cost 1 Hell to restore HP/SP at the Netherworld Hospital, so that is basically infinitely more money to go towards getting the best items at the shops.
This is actually quite entertaining, especially because I'm trying to beat disgaea 5 as my first disgaea game. The video was quite inspiring and gave me very good tips. Nice job, and thanks.
Unless I'm forgetting something, couldn't you summon your netherworld to negate the effect of the bombing by overriding it. You'd need an item to boost your bonus gauge high enough to be able to pay the cost but you should be able to do that by that point in the game.
Two things I dont think other comments have said (that I've seen); levelling up your prinny's prinny job mastery will automatically upgrade it to the higher tier Prinny stats, and Mon-Toss is available which lets you deal with geo puzzles
So as a kid I loved doing these runs; beating Disgaea 1 with a Prinny Squad, beating Suikoden 2 with Squirrel Squad, beating FFT with Unnamed Recruit characters... with the exception of places that require for story ofc. I'm glad to see someone pick this challenge up. Good luck on further runs Dood.
This can be completed though you need bonus gauge potions in the Item World to use in order to cancel the Netherworld's effect. Without that,it's pretty much impossible to complete.
the "restart the entire run" rule basically discounts this challenge entirely, because at some point it will become a matter of encountering a wrestler and not wanting to restart a several-dozen-hour file. of course it's going to fail.
you must be new to my channel, if i made a rule like that then you better believe im going to stick to it, i knew about wrestlers before i even began and already had a plan for that
@@Primalliquid92 my point isn't that you wouldn't stick to your rules, it's that he rule is a "this is going to fail/die" from the outset, since the failure condition/massive soulcrushing timewaster is completely outside of your control. having the rule AS a rule immediately killed the run, since it would come down to an astronomically low chance to go through an entire run with all the grinding required without a single enemy using a basic game mechanic on you.
@@vDorgengoa Unless you cheat to start with one then the answer is no. Not to mention Ramza is mandatory in story battles. If Ramza were a yellow chocobo then oof... No gear, no jp, just levels, heals and pecks.
me: never played a disgaea game before. Prima:"we're going to get him to level 40, that sounds high but the max level is..." me: let me guess 999 Prima:"...9999" me: *Spits drink*
Technically, the max level is even higher than that - After reincarnating, all those levels get stored, and stored levels influence your stats (most notably HP, which has no cap). One of the DLC characters in 5 needs a whopping 900k stored levels to reach their maximum potential (though most only need a fair bit under 200k), and in the upcoming Disgaea 6 the max level is going to be a whopping 99,999,999 (though no word if the stored level mechanic returns, from what I'm aware of).
I haven't played 5 in a while, but if I remember correctly the DLC (which you deliberately didn't use) has the Hero Prinny which had an Evility that makes it not explode.
Yeah I have that one but i forgot which one they all look the same i think it might be pringer? And the question mark is part of his name that's the name he came with i have other dlc prinnys i got the complete version so all dlcs came with for 21.00$ it was on saleon my bday so i bought it with my bday money and some save points
@@Primalliquid92 You're right because I summoned my netherworld to prevent that explosive damage. You can easily pass a Bill in the Strategy Assembly and summon your Netherworld turn 1.
@@7Sarutan7 What do you mean? Primals game knowledge was incomplete and forgot about a in-game mechanic that cancels current Netherworld effect. Such as the Explosion Force that keeps killing the Prinny.
Obligatory algorithm comment: First time seeing your channel but not the first time seeing this style of video, so giving it a shot. That and I've always been curious about getting into Disgaea so this'll give me a somewhat abstract experience of the franchise.
You say which one Primal, but you know you're asking yourself which one first!?! I do like the disgaea games. I've actually completed uber baal on all of them using only generic units without reincarnating once, inheriting where available and.... Without one unit dying at all from start to finish. I dare you to do the same, Disgaea 2 is the hardest of those challenges. Godspeed dood
Even without that unfair technicality, I think you would have had an extremely hard time with a couple of the last few maps due to the Reinforcements criteria, where an enemy spawns on a random part of the map every turn. These were the hardest stages for me to do with my OP Maid solo, and she was equipped with Bows for decent range. Trying to do it with a Prinny might have caused you to throw your controller out the window.
If your speed and defence are high enough, you can just tank the damage and use area attacks to mess over the enemies. When you are op, the enemies can't even kill nor damage you.
I have never underestimated your grind but I have gained more respect for it if only because I don't know how you can do it mate, just drawing a big blank
I haven't seen the video, but sight-unseen: yes, you can. However, you still need other units to throw them. This is actually easier on Disgaea 5 because of the "Defused" evility. However, you can do this in every Disgaea game. "But how? Prinnies explode when they're thrown." True! But they down explode if they're DROPPED, and they don't explode if you throw someone holding a prinny. So, to beat stages that require throwing, Have a level 1 unit pick up the prinny, then throw that unit and let them get killed by the enemy.
I know it is rather late after uploading the video and I just began playing Disgaea 5, but to get around the explosion effect after each turn, you prepare to have you bonus gauge charged with either using Mana at the Strategy Assembly. leaving having to kill enemies only. You would theoretically escape the eplosion damage but won't exscape the damage the enemies are dealing to you.
You talked about a 20-30 hour run that you could do to basically complete the game and end up at max OP. Did you already do a run of that or would you be willing to do that run? I'd love to watch it.
This got me curious enough to do a little testing as I wanted to see how far you can get without power levelling and so far I have a few early game notes in case anyone else wants to try this (currently just finished chapter 2 at level 17, only one non mandatory battle to complete a quest faster) : -You can get access to a fair few more early game spells before chapter 2 is done. There are quests that give you ice (for a water weapon ie water pistol), fire for killing 8 sludges and fire blessing for 3 magicians. Fire is very useful immediately since zombies are weak to fire and resist monster weapons. (Also the geo symbols in 2-1 are enough to get the star scroll on it's own) -Not mandatory but removing the Geo effects on the map with the high up mage in chapter 2 will make them start moving towards you. So if magic wasn't an option, there is another solution. Doing this will also get you the one time bonus which is the heal spell if done correctly. -Prinnies can't lift but montoss lets them throw at least. -Once you can subclass, i would recommend the Imp as an early focus for two reason: if you can get poison heal before the end of poisondise then it shuts the main gimmick down. The other reason is the evility that reverses the effects of weaken since some of the major bosses (bloodis comes to mind) have weaken on their skills and having this evility will make them buff you instead. (Both of these also synergise with through adversary which is a higher level prinny evility you may wind up getting as you go since promotions through classes happen automatically) -You have two weapon slots so packing a physical and magic monster weapon doesn't hurt for more magic resistant monsters. -after some testing on my post game save file, unfortunately summoning your netherworld is the only solution to getting past chapter 12 without instantly dying to the netherworld effect. I tried the thief evade danger evility (which nullifies explosion damage, including the bombing but explosive body seems to override it and it also requires a tier 5 thief) ,deathblow immunity from both the bear class and usalia (although you can't use the bear until after this chapter anyway and getting usalia's evility would require squads and mana grinding) and none of them worked. The only non dlc solution is to horde a bunch of bonus filler items from the item world and summon your netherworld on turn 1.
Small update: Restarted that playthrough to remove the one optional battle and am currently going into chapter 14 at level 98. A few more notes: the Quests that give spells are unfortunately random so if you are unlucky, star is the only consistent option which does make the Geese fight a bit tougher. Another quest highlight is Power of Bowls. If you can secure that quest as early as possible, get it since it's a great option for chapters where evilities are not as needed. (gives a 5% boost to every stat for every empty slot. Outclassed by stuff later but is great if you can nab it early. I still get use out of it by ch 14) Fire and flame blessing are also pretty solid since Prinny Bomb is fire based. Also it may not seem important but pick up charm vaccine. There is one level in particular that is nigh impossible to solo at a lower level without it Rabbit and Imp are amazing sub-classes for a good few chapters. Hidden Valley is insane on chapters that are naturally high up (which is actually pretty common). It essentially doubles attack and Speed for free. Imp for the same reasons mentioned but also Elemental reverse actually works on the chapters with netherworld effects that cut resistance by 50%. Giving you a free 50% resistance against the enemies primary attacking element. Also lets you compensate for Prinnies natural weakness to fire. Succubus is also good for Bones out, giving you a defence lowering effect on all attacks, including magic. When Sub classing a mage, I went with the witch since Expand is good for that additional magic range. (also you can be a higher level than 98 by where I am but I allowed the use of squads as long as the prinny is the only member. Mostly to see if I can max out the prinny squad by the end of the story. As such I have been using the capture and interrogation squads and capturing does not give EXP). There are also some interesting things I noticed along the way: For chapter 12, you don't even need to have prepared anything in advance. There is a 10 mana bill that charges the bonus gauge which is more than enough to summon the netherworld for the 2 maps that require it (yeah, only the first and second have bombardment) -If wrestlers have access and the MP for Super piledriver, them picking you up is not the end of an attempt since Super piledriver does not trigger the prinny explosion. It still eats your turn so just make sure you are always close enough to them that they will default to Hurricane blow (which most fist users seem to since it's their strongest skill early on, even bloodis if you don't steal his fists) With poison heal and through adversary, Majorita boss fights are pretty easy if you just gun for her first. Without going back to do optional battles, you actually miss out on the shroom monster class and potentially the Ninetails as well if you can't find the item for it Biggest walls so far have been 8-3, 9-2, 12-4 and 4-1. (although I don't restart the run on death. When you don't have lvl3000 HP, it's simply doesn't sound fun to me to reset. My rules mostly prohibit power-levelling, the cheat shop and stat enhancing item like the magic shards and extracts while also going for the absolute minimum battles possible)
Yes, because the final boss is a joke in comparison to post-game. If you can do so much as one level where you get experience and money, then it’s possible, even if you have to grind that one level 100 times in order to advance the plot
I know it's been 3 years, but wouldn't giving the Prinny the Thief subclass and equipping the Evility that nullifies explosion damage make the run possible?
Hey, hold up. I'm pretty sure you could summon your own netherworld to overwrite the current netherworld's effects, allowing you to get through the level explosion free, and you can raise the Bonus Gauge by using a potion from the base panel.
I thought of a challenge like this a while ago, and have completed Disgaea 1, 3, and 4 so far with a slightly different rule set than this one: 1. I'm not quite as crazy as Primal, so I let myself use as many prinnies as I want and didn't do the "death = restart" rule. I also allowed myself to use the better tiers of the prinny class. 2. No skills or evilities that are not natively accessible to prinnies may be used. (Since scrolls don't exist pre-5, this mostly means no using skill inheritance.) 3. Deploying humanoid units is permitted, but they may not take any actions apart from lifting and throwing, and they can only be used on stages that are impossible to complete without them (e.g. for gaps in the terrain that can't be crossed otherwise.) Dealing damage by throwing prinnies is permitted. If you counterattack with a humanoid unit, you have to reload a save. I had to use rule 3 pretty quickly for most of the runs. Level 2-1 in Disgaea 1, for instance, has enemies on ground that's inaccessible and unreachable by prinny skills. One trick I had to use a few times was to deploy a human unit, pick up a prinny, deploy a second human unit, throw the stack, then end the turn and let the human holding the prinny get killed off. This lets you move the prinny without it counting as having directly thrown it.
How does the no upgrading the prinny tier works? I thought once you unlocked the next tier you would get upgraded automatically. Or you meant just reincarnation?
@@gabrielsilver7227 you are wrong, once you get a star, unlocking the next rank, the unit will change its class automatically, and will receive a boost for their aptitudes as well to the same the upgraded class is. That is why I asked what would he do if the prinny got a star. He could avoid that by having the prinny get another subclass, but that can only be done in chapter 3.
Wow, a Prinny-only run, killed by a technicality! That's harsh! I tried a similar challenge, restricting myself to only using Prinnies throughout one save file. Obviously, that's not exactly hard, just a tad slower than your average Disgaea run. Because of that, I never realized that the "Bombing Run" Netherworld effect counts as an explosion and triggers Prinnies, since I just bum-rushed everything on turn 1.
Love your content Primalliquid, but the doesn't the thief class have an evility at rank 2/3 that nullifies explosions? If you ranked up your thief sub-class you could grab that and no more BOOM!
god damn... i legit checked lists for all evilties to see if it wasn't only the DLC prinny that had it and i couldn't see the thief one at all :( well, time to revisit this in the future haha
Doesn't Evade Danger only prevent the equipped from being *damaged* by something else's explosion? I don't think it prevents *you* from exploding if you're explosive.
Dood, where are the "doods", dood? Fail, dood. Major fail. Failure of fails. Down to the pit of failures, dood. *grabs really sharp knife* Move it, dood!
I played a Disgaea on my Vita but I got overwhelmed with all the gameplay mechanics and the insane stats the game shows, seeing this video I realize that understanding all this things you can transform a weak character into a killing machine. I’ll try to Finish a Disgaea game, what would be a good game for a beginner?
As soon as you said you were gonna say dood asm much as possible, I knew this would be an abomination, and I'm so keeeeeeen, I've been watching a while I only just noticed your name is great, just solid.
why not summon your netherworld to overwrite the bombing run effect? or is that against the summon only 1 prinny rule? since i don't recall you saying summoning your netherworld was against the rules
Beat Disgaea 5 Hard mode once you unlock the cheat shop set the difficulty to the max. You can choose to use overlords or you can choose to use No overlords (means you will hire classes to do your job for you). DLCs are allowed (sense Disgaea 5 complete comes with the game).
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summon your neterworld ya dum a## seuressly i'v done this
Do FFT or tactic's ogre next!
IF YOU USE. Geo weather effect it removes the explosion effect entirely
Mon-toss can give you an out for most geo-puzzles and summoning a nether word can erase the actual effect in the area, those are other options available to you. You did a great try dood.
@@pupsicle5345 Not to mention the DLC Prinny Pringer has the defused skill, so it literally can’t explode.
"And I have to work the word 'dood' into as many sentences as possible"
*process to say dood in the following sentence and then never again *
My vote is Disgaea 4. Let the Prinny Instructor train a prinny to godhood.
Make sure to feed said Prinny with lots of SARDINES
Too bad that game sucks
@@Hajilex yeah, playing it currently and i can say it's awful even compared to D2. One of the most suck thing there is how the game limits you from doing things, like the Dark Assembly foremost. I haven't played 3 and 5, but in 1 and 2 at least it's easy to bribe senators because you can give them whatever item you like. But 4 just made it hell lot harder by making each party having specific item type preferences. And let's not forget that you have to buy most skills with MANA, that makes it even harder to use the Dark Assembly, including reincarnation and creating generic characters.
@@srash8854 you think that's bad
The characters are purely joke machines with minimal depth (except Artina and Emizel) and the story is just an awful human-bad plot
@@Hajilex i agree. I was just stressing on the gameplay. Disgaea was never about the main story anyway. The mana dependence makes farming lots more complicated and harder because you need to farm them too. Some weapon skills are harder to unlock too because it depends on the character level, not weapon skill level like the predecessors. It just hampers your farming progress heavily than ever.
"Reset if I die once"
Why would you do this to yourself in a game with this much grinding
makes it more interesting
@@Primalliquid92 Sounds more like you're a masochist
@@Primalliquid92 do you have d5 complete i got alot of good and strong prinnys i think with more patience you can with the prinnys i have i haven't even started poisondies yet cause I'm grinding when all my characters including dlc ones are at least level 21 and have 100 or more mana I'm reincarnating and build them up again till there stats are maxed
@@n.i.c.kthegothicreaper3259 He said right at the start he cannot use DLC. The DLC in Disgaea 5 is VERY cheaty so it makes sense why he reufsed to use it.
@@Arcanua then i guess that's his problem dlc or not anyone can beat the game prinnys it's not as hard as you think
You can in fact get past fortress by using the "evade danger" evility. It nullifies explosive damage.
Iguess that's alittle to late for that
Not really...I think it makes damage 0 but still counts as explosive and makes you go off according to someone who tried this on reddit I think...
What about the DLC Prinny with the "Defused" evility? Would it be bending the rules to use the Chara World to give that Evility to your Prinny?
Why did I watch this, now I just want to play Disgaea again lol
It's a neverending cycle XD
LOL me too.
Exactly
See you in another 80 hours
Same lol I'm trying to think of some challenge runs rn
There is a way to deal with that effect that hits you with Prinny-killing damage: You can summon your Netherworld to cancel out the effect. When you do that, your Netherworld's effect displaces the stage effect. Although I need to test it.
You finally FAILED a challenge. I guess it was bound to happen... dood. :(
This.
But you can use it only after 4 turns.
@@tsdumba1 you can use as soon as you have 1 bonus point
And on dark assembly (charge bonus gauge!) Will make you start with level 3 and you can immediately use it before you even use any character
@@linkmax5374 I see... I remember it wrong then!.
Does the Nullify Explosives evility
not work you can get from the thief? Evade Danger is the name i think
Not a lot of 'Dood' in the commentary, but otherwise great vid!
Let me fix that :dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood dood...dood...........dood doo zzzzzz😪
Agreed
there's an evility that can make you unliftable and increase your stat. And for the bomb stage. switch to your netherworld effect.
He needs to see this comment because that is my exact thoughts. I want to see this go through! All he needs to do is use a filler on turn 1 then use the summon netherworld
@@alexcebollero read rule 1, 2:14 so its not possible.
@@oLawlieto wait I don’t understand how that violates rule one. Single prinny uses filler item to get at least one pip of bonus meter. Then he spends that pip to swap his nether world effect nullifying the current bomb run thing
@@alexcebollero Sorry I must have misread, thought you ment a filler character to take a hit.
@@oLawlieto you’re fine. Thanks for the apology though that’s a rare thing to find on the internet
Me at the beginning of the video, "You can do it dood!"
Me at the end of the video, "Aww dood."
I'd say Disgaea 4, you could be that prinny that wants to show thanks to Valzy on how well of a job he did teaching them.
"Prinny rule number one!!! You must always say "dood', after everything you say!"
@@xoctavia1418 Exactly, doood!
No other Disgaea can be beaten this way.
They all require something to be lifted and thrown at some point, which monsters can't yet do.
Disgaea 3 and 4 can at least be beaten with a single humanoid unit, Disgaea 1, 2, and D2 all require at least one helper unit to throw the "main" unit at least once.
DD2 *might* be beatable with 1 Ninja, since, if I remember correctly, Ninjas in that game get the Ninja Art: Switch skill, that can let them cross gaps by themselves.
Finally, Disgaea 1 requires far more grinding than the rest, partially because of the Gargantua Deck, the big cannons absolutely shred units, and partially because Lamington is a very, very hard fight to out-stamina with just one unit.
I don't even know what Disgaea is. I don't know why this was in my recommended. I don't understand the mechanics.
But by God, if I see a challenge video, I'm watching it.
It is a pretty quirky tactical RPG series. If you got a PC and game pass you can play part 4 for free right now actually.
Oh the series is one of my favorites, though I would definitely dive into Disgaea 1 first, not only because I found it's characters the most memorable, but also because the learning curve in Disgaea 5 would overwhelm a lot of people who haven't experienced some of the features and mechanics of prior iterations.
@@stephenlujan8512 4 does a pretty good job of teaching people about the stuff and not overwhelm ya. Plus it is on game pass for PC so in a sense it is free so people can give it a shot with out any real cost to them.
PRINNY RULE #1: YOU MUST SAY THE WORD "dood" IN EVERY LINE YOU SAY!
Right off the bat, only using one character would mean that one character levels up _really_ fast. Also, Prinnys only cost 1 Hell to restore HP/SP at the Netherworld Hospital, so that is basically infinitely more money to go towards getting the best items at the shops.
Something I think you may have overlooked: Prinnies can actually (kinda) do geo puzzles! you can have them Mn-toss things, including geo effects.
Me reading video title: That sounds insane.
Me after watching video: That WAS insane!
Also... DOOD!
if only i'd have more thumbs.. i'd already give 1 dislike everytime you forgot to say 'dood' for each of your sentence
He didn't even try. :')
zettai prinny project for you dood
Thumbs down, dood. You forgot to say dood, dood.
Dood, like Dood
DOOD!
This is actually quite entertaining, especially because I'm trying to beat disgaea 5 as my first disgaea game. The video was quite inspiring and gave me very good tips. Nice job, and thanks.
I'm glad to see someone do these types of challenges for a Disgaea game.
This was really interesting.
I think you did really brilliantly, I very much underestimated the powers of the Prinny before watching this.
Unless I'm forgetting something, couldn't you summon your netherworld to negate the effect of the bombing by overriding it. You'd need an item to boost your bonus gauge high enough to be able to pay the cost but you should be able to do that by that point in the game.
or just pass the bill at the Assembly to Boost your bonus jauge to 3 on next map :-)
Never heard of this game before, never played it, but now I want to.
That was crazy funny to watch, dood.
Two things I dont think other comments have said (that I've seen); levelling up your prinny's prinny job mastery will automatically upgrade it to the higher tier Prinny stats, and Mon-Toss is available which lets you deal with geo puzzles
So as a kid I loved doing these runs; beating Disgaea 1 with a Prinny Squad, beating Suikoden 2 with Squirrel Squad, beating FFT with Unnamed Recruit characters... with the exception of places that require for story ofc. I'm glad to see someone pick this challenge up. Good luck on further runs Dood.
This can be completed though you need bonus gauge potions in the Item World to use in order to cancel the Netherworld's effect. Without that,it's pretty much impossible to complete.
You can vote the Boost Bonus Jauge law ;-)
the "restart the entire run" rule basically discounts this challenge entirely, because at some point it will become a matter of encountering a wrestler and not wanting to restart a several-dozen-hour file.
of course it's going to fail.
you must be new to my channel, if i made a rule like that then you better believe im going to stick to it, i knew about wrestlers before i even began and already had a plan for that
@@Primalliquid92 my point isn't that you wouldn't stick to your rules, it's that he rule is a "this is going to fail/die" from the outset, since the failure condition/massive soulcrushing timewaster is completely outside of your control.
having the rule AS a rule immediately killed the run, since it would come down to an astronomically low chance to go through an entire run with all the grinding required without a single enemy using a basic game mechanic on you.
Rule 6 essentially negates the challenge as a generic characters class upgrades as they master the primary class.
I mean I've wondered since Prinny: Can I Really Be The Hero came out. Thank you for doing this.
“Can I really be the hero”
My guy. A Prinny. The goofy ass penguins?
This is like trying to beat FFT with a yellow chocobo solo lmao
But the real question is...... can you?
@@vDorgengoa Unless you cheat to start with one then the answer is no. Not to mention Ramza is mandatory in story battles. If Ramza were a yellow chocobo then oof... No gear, no jp, just levels, heals and pecks.
@@benevolentworldexploder5395 lol right. Every part with just Ramza and a Yellow chocobo named Boco..... or a Black Chocobo named Teioh.
Them dealies can get pretty dang strong, though. Plus they can heal.
@@benevolentworldexploder5395 I mean not much different than nuzlocks but you don't get your first chocobo till like 10 quests into the game
me: never played a disgaea game before.
Prima:"we're going to get him to level 40, that sounds high but the max level is..."
me: let me guess 999
Prima:"...9999"
me: *Spits drink*
The max lvl on makai kingdom the precursor to these games was 69000
@@herbertbraselton7338 good lord
Technically, the max level is even higher than that - After reincarnating, all those levels get stored, and stored levels influence your stats (most notably HP, which has no cap). One of the DLC characters in 5 needs a whopping 900k stored levels to reach their maximum potential (though most only need a fair bit under 200k), and in the upcoming Disgaea 6 the max level is going to be a whopping 99,999,999 (though no word if the stored level mechanic returns, from what I'm aware of).
yeah and the maximum amount of time you can reincarnate is 252
so yeah 252x 9999 and really there is a disgaea 6 coming?! how did i missed that!?
@@JohnDoe-mi7wl @gintoki sakata how the hell have i not played one of these games before, those numbers are absolutely absurd. I love it
Read the title, and Thought "Yes, yes you can!"
i just jumped back into disgaea, have not played them since the first one. got 5 heard it was the best one so i figured i would start there
I haven't played 5 in a while, but if I remember correctly the DLC (which you deliberately didn't use) has the Hero Prinny which had an Evility that makes it not explode.
Yeah I have that one but i forgot which one they all look the same i think it might be pringer? And the question mark is part of his name that's the name he came with i have other dlc prinnys i got the complete version so all dlcs came with for 21.00$ it was on saleon my bday so i bought it with my bday money and some save points
The way you pronounced HL made my skin crawl LMAO. Great video, though.
Yes, I have done a Prinny Nuzlock a few weeks ago. So much fun. Heavy stance is godlike late game.
then you didnt do it with the same rule set as me given the ending of this video
@@Primalliquid92 You're right because I summoned my netherworld to prevent that explosive damage. You can easily pass a Bill in the Strategy Assembly and summon your Netherworld turn 1.
@@deathsoal THE VIDEOS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
@@deathsoal Does that count for the challenge ?
@@7Sarutan7 What do you mean? Primals game knowledge was incomplete and forgot about a in-game mechanic that cancels current Netherworld effect. Such as the Explosion Force that keeps killing the Prinny.
You’ve smashed this game and I’m so shit at understanding everything 😂😂
You really are the hero, dood!
Ahhh I hope for more of these!!! I don’t think there’s enough disgaea vids on TH-cam!
This gave me nightmares of the standalone prinny game.
Love you dood this was so much fun to watch
Leaving a comment for the algorithm, dood.
Obligatory algorithm comment:
First time seeing your channel but not the first time seeing this style of video, so giving it a shot.
That and I've always been curious about getting into Disgaea so this'll give me a somewhat abstract experience of the franchise.
Awesome to see a channel where the creator invest time in the video. Was awesome to watch thanks!
You say which one Primal, but you know you're asking yourself which one first!?!
I do like the disgaea games. I've actually completed uber baal on all of them using only generic units without reincarnating once, inheriting where available and.... Without one unit dying at all from start to finish.
I dare you to do the same, Disgaea 2 is the hardest of those challenges. Godspeed dood
Disgaea 5 feat. Hero Prinny!
Nice challenge man!
thanks glad you enjoyed it :)
Video game dares have come a long way from beating Legend of Zelda with just a wooden sword
if you got a single bonus gauge.. you could of summoned your netherworld overriding the netherworld effect with your own
Even without that unfair technicality, I think you would have had an extremely hard time with a couple of the last few maps due to the Reinforcements criteria, where an enemy spawns on a random part of the map every turn. These were the hardest stages for me to do with my OP Maid solo, and she was equipped with Bows for decent range. Trying to do it with a Prinny might have caused you to throw your controller out the window.
If your speed and defence are high enough, you can just tank the damage and use area attacks to mess over the enemies. When you are op, the enemies can't even kill nor damage you.
I watch this while i´m raising my Prinny Army in Disgaea 2 .
I have never underestimated your grind but I have gained more respect for it if only because I don't know how you can do it mate, just drawing a big blank
i just look at it as being the same as those who play cod all day or starcraft all day ect
I haven't seen the video, but sight-unseen: yes, you can. However, you still need other units to throw them. This is actually easier on Disgaea 5 because of the "Defused" evility. However, you can do this in every Disgaea game.
"But how? Prinnies explode when they're thrown." True! But they down explode if they're DROPPED, and they don't explode if you throw someone holding a prinny. So, to beat stages that require throwing, Have a level 1 unit pick up the prinny, then throw that unit and let them get killed by the enemy.
I know it is rather late after uploading the video and I just began playing Disgaea 5, but to get around the explosion effect after each turn, you prepare to have you bonus gauge charged with either using Mana at the Strategy Assembly. leaving having to kill enemies only. You would theoretically escape the eplosion damage but won't exscape the damage the enemies are dealing to you.
oh Disgaea, like Dragon Ball, overpowered and over the top dood. i absolutely love it
Great video man! you had me hooked on rule number 8 lmao
You talked about a 20-30 hour run that you could do to basically complete the game and end up at max OP. Did you already do a run of that or would you be willing to do that run? I'd love to watch it.
ill probably do one in the future for that tbh
This got me curious enough to do a little testing as I wanted to see how far you can get without power levelling and so far I have a few early game notes in case anyone else wants to try this (currently just finished chapter 2 at level 17, only one non mandatory battle to complete a quest faster) :
-You can get access to a fair few more early game spells before chapter 2 is done. There are quests that give you ice (for a water weapon ie water pistol), fire for killing 8 sludges and fire blessing for 3 magicians. Fire is very useful immediately since zombies are weak to fire and resist monster weapons. (Also the geo symbols in 2-1 are enough to get the star scroll on it's own)
-Not mandatory but removing the Geo effects on the map with the high up mage in chapter 2 will make them start moving towards you. So if magic wasn't an option, there is another solution. Doing this will also get you the one time bonus which is the heal spell if done correctly.
-Prinnies can't lift but montoss lets them throw at least.
-Once you can subclass, i would recommend the Imp as an early focus for two reason: if you can get poison heal before the end of poisondise then it shuts the main gimmick down. The other reason is the evility that reverses the effects of weaken since some of the major bosses (bloodis comes to mind) have weaken on their skills and having this evility will make them buff you instead. (Both of these also synergise with through adversary which is a higher level prinny evility you may wind up getting as you go since promotions through classes happen automatically)
-You have two weapon slots so packing a physical and magic monster weapon doesn't hurt for more magic resistant monsters.
-after some testing on my post game save file, unfortunately summoning your netherworld is the only solution to getting past chapter 12 without instantly dying to the netherworld effect. I tried the thief evade danger evility (which nullifies explosion damage, including the bombing but explosive body seems to override it and it also requires a tier 5 thief) ,deathblow immunity from both the bear class and usalia (although you can't use the bear until after this chapter anyway and getting usalia's evility would require squads and mana grinding) and none of them worked. The only non dlc solution is to horde a bunch of bonus filler items from the item world and summon your netherworld on turn 1.
Small update: Restarted that playthrough to remove the one optional battle and am currently going into chapter 14 at level 98. A few more notes:
the Quests that give spells are unfortunately random so if you are unlucky, star is the only consistent option which does make the Geese fight a bit tougher. Another quest highlight is Power of Bowls. If you can secure that quest as early as possible, get it since it's a great option for chapters where evilities are not as needed. (gives a 5% boost to every stat for every empty slot. Outclassed by stuff later but is great if you can nab it early. I still get use out of it by ch 14) Fire and flame blessing are also pretty solid since Prinny Bomb is fire based. Also it may not seem important but pick up charm vaccine. There is one level in particular that is nigh impossible to solo at a lower level without it
Rabbit and Imp are amazing sub-classes for a good few chapters. Hidden Valley is insane on chapters that are naturally high up (which is actually pretty common). It essentially doubles attack and Speed for free. Imp for the same reasons mentioned but also Elemental reverse actually works on the chapters with netherworld effects that cut resistance by 50%. Giving you a free 50% resistance against the enemies primary attacking element. Also lets you compensate for Prinnies natural weakness to fire.
Succubus is also good for Bones out, giving you a defence lowering effect on all attacks, including magic.
When Sub classing a mage, I went with the witch since Expand is good for that additional magic range.
(also you can be a higher level than 98 by where I am but I allowed the use of squads as long as the prinny is the only member. Mostly to see if I can max out the prinny squad by the end of the story. As such I have been using the capture and interrogation squads and capturing does not give EXP).
There are also some interesting things I noticed along the way:
For chapter 12, you don't even need to have prepared anything in advance. There is a 10 mana bill that charges the bonus gauge which is more than enough to summon the netherworld for the 2 maps that require it (yeah, only the first and second have bombardment)
-If wrestlers have access and the MP for Super piledriver, them picking you up is not the end of an attempt since Super piledriver does not trigger the prinny explosion. It still eats your turn so just make sure you are always close enough to them that they will default to Hurricane blow (which most fist users seem to since it's their strongest skill early on, even bloodis if you don't steal his fists)
With poison heal and through adversary, Majorita boss fights are pretty easy if you just gun for her first.
Without going back to do optional battles, you actually miss out on the shroom monster class and potentially the Ninetails as well if you can't find the item for it
Biggest walls so far have been 8-3, 9-2, 12-4 and 4-1. (although I don't restart the run on death. When you don't have lvl3000 HP, it's simply doesn't sound fun to me to reset. My rules mostly prohibit power-levelling, the cheat shop and stat enhancing item like the magic shards and extracts while also going for the absolute minimum battles possible)
Another update. Just beat the final boss at level 152.
this is basically what I did but when I got flonne 😭 she kept tanking all the hits and killing everyone so she just ended up being all the classes
Yes, because the final boss is a joke in comparison to post-game. If you can do so much as one level where you get experience and money, then it’s possible, even if you have to grind that one level 100 times in order to advance the plot
I've always wondered if it was possible. I'd love to see this done with Disgaea 3!
same
Can’t wait for Disgaea 6 single Prinny challenge.
Man I have played just a little bit of disgaea 3, so I have a idea of how much grind you had to do, and it's insane
oh yea D3 was probably the worst in the series for the grind, maybe even worse than DD2
Had never heard of you before, but when I saw the video's title, it was an instant like and subscribe lol
welcome to the crew :)
I know it's been 3 years, but wouldn't giving the Prinny the Thief subclass and equipping the Evility that nullifies explosion damage make the run possible?
Monsters can’t lift and throw, but they can use mon-toss.
I've been obsessed with Pokemon challenge videos recently and I'm so happy to see one on my favorite game series. Hope to see more.in the future :)
*Can i beat disgaea 5 using only a prinny?
Me: Sure you can!
*I can't upgrado to Prinny God
Me: Ok that's a maybe.
Bummer that a prinny alone couldn't beat the game but I guess you could say they bombed that challenge, fun video though!
Hey, hold up. I'm pretty sure you could summon your own netherworld to overwrite the current netherworld's effects, allowing you to get through the level explosion free, and you can raise the Bonus Gauge by using a potion from the base panel.
I thought of a challenge like this a while ago, and have completed Disgaea 1, 3, and 4 so far with a slightly different rule set than this one:
1. I'm not quite as crazy as Primal, so I let myself use as many prinnies as I want and didn't do the "death = restart" rule. I also allowed myself to use the better tiers of the prinny class.
2. No skills or evilities that are not natively accessible to prinnies may be used. (Since scrolls don't exist pre-5, this mostly means no using skill inheritance.)
3. Deploying humanoid units is permitted, but they may not take any actions apart from lifting and throwing, and they can only be used on stages that are impossible to complete without them (e.g. for gaps in the terrain that can't be crossed otherwise.) Dealing damage by throwing prinnies is permitted. If you counterattack with a humanoid unit, you have to reload a save.
I had to use rule 3 pretty quickly for most of the runs. Level 2-1 in Disgaea 1, for instance, has enemies on ground that's inaccessible and unreachable by prinny skills.
One trick I had to use a few times was to deploy a human unit, pick up a prinny, deploy a second human unit, throw the stack, then end the turn and let the human holding the prinny get killed off. This lets you move the prinny without it counting as having directly thrown it.
How does the no upgrading the prinny tier works? I thought once you unlocked the next tier you would get upgraded automatically. Or you meant just reincarnation?
u unlock a new prinny "class", different colors and stats, so u'd have to make a new unit
@@gabrielsilver7227 you are wrong, once you get a star, unlocking the next rank, the unit will change its class automatically, and will receive a boost for their aptitudes as well to the same the upgraded class is. That is why I asked what would he do if the prinny got a star. He could avoid that by having the prinny get another subclass, but that can only be done in chapter 3.
@@AdrianParra oh, i guess i mistook it from something else then, maybe something related to disgaea 2
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So I think it's safe to assume that you can't but the defused evility.
it doesnt work anyway, need to replace the netherworld effect
Correction: " I must work the word dood into as many sentences as possible DOOD!"
Wow, a Prinny-only run, killed by a technicality! That's harsh!
I tried a similar challenge, restricting myself to only using Prinnies throughout one save file. Obviously, that's not exactly hard, just a tad slower than your average Disgaea run. Because of that, I never realized that the "Bombing Run" Netherworld effect counts as an explosion and triggers Prinnies, since I just bum-rushed everything on turn 1.
For a second there I thought this was our boy jrose11 doing a disgaea run.
Disgaea 4 seems like the logical answer, since that is the prinny instructor one.
the Defuse evility cancels outs the bomb damage
Basically Prinny: i wanna be a hero
Hey dood, leaving a comment to help you power grind against the algorithm. Good luck on your next run, keep up the great work dood!
2 seconds into the video instant thumbs up i love ur content bro!
Awesome! Thank you!
Thanks for putting in the work for this great video
Never played a single disgaea game. But im a huge final fantasy tactics fan.
Why did I never think about this challenge!?
Never played Disgaea but after hearing that "your can so millions even... Trillions of dmg..." I live big dmg numbers so It's really tempting
Love your content Primalliquid, but the doesn't the thief class have an evility at rank 2/3 that nullifies explosions? If you ranked up your thief sub-class you could grab that and no more BOOM!
god damn... i legit checked lists for all evilties to see if it wasn't only the DLC prinny that had it and i couldn't see the thief one at all :( well, time to revisit this in the future haha
Doesn't Evade Danger only prevent the equipped from being *damaged* by something else's explosion? I don't think it prevents *you* from exploding if you're explosive.
The Lady Samurai has one that prevents the character from being lifted
He could have easily summoned his Neatherworld too. By using a Filler or passing 100 mana bill.
I'm replaying this and there's an evility for a sub class that makes a character immune to explosive damage. I don't know if that would save the run
Your patience is nuts!
Dood, where are the "doods", dood? Fail, dood. Major fail. Failure of fails. Down to the pit of failures, dood. *grabs really sharp knife* Move it, dood!
good job Primal, i found your channel and binged it all week, please keep up the amazing effort :D
Loved Prinnies from Disgaea 1 up to this day.
Instant Like!
I played a Disgaea on my Vita but I got overwhelmed with all the gameplay mechanics and the insane stats the game shows, seeing this video I realize that understanding all this things you can transform a weak character into a killing machine.
I’ll try to Finish a Disgaea game, what would be a good game for a beginner?
weirdly I had to sub again.Video liked. Love disgaea this is just what the doctor ordered
As soon as you said you were gonna say dood asm much as possible, I knew this would be an abomination, and I'm so keeeeeeen, I've been watching a while I only just noticed your name is great, just solid.
why not summon your netherworld to overwrite the bombing run effect? or is that against the summon only 1 prinny rule? since i don't recall you saying summoning your netherworld was against the rules
The only reason Id say 'no' is because don't you have to lift/throw/jump high to beat certain main maps?
Valzy definitely approves of this challenge, god speed prinny instructor, god speed
there is a evility that removes the explosion damage death from prinnys but idk about the map effect (its called defused ) or something
thats a dlc prinny only
I never heard of this game let alone watch or play it but I still watched the whole video 🤣🤣🤣
Beat Disgaea 5 Hard mode
once you unlock the cheat shop set the difficulty to the max.
You can choose to use overlords or you can choose to use No overlords (means you will hire classes to do your job for you).
DLCs are allowed (sense Disgaea 5 complete comes with the game).