As for slugs, I left the Army 49 years ago. Before I left I worked a deer check station with the MPs in Fort Campbell Ky. Deer hunting with firearms on Federal property was with shotgun slugs only. We processed 186 deer in three days. I remember precisely because the results were, for me anyway, so remarkable. I found four slugs in the deer that were checked in to be removed from Federal property. All four slugs were 20 guage; every 12 guage slug was a complete pass through regardless of the wound placement or size of the deer. The 20 guage slugs were the Forster type as I recall. I do not remember ever seeing a second shot used. Nearly all of the animals just collapsed in their tracks. There were likely some short barreled shotguns used but the only ones I remember seeing were standard 26 or 28" length types such as Remington 1100s or 870s, that sort of thing.
Capacity vs stopping power, An AR or M4 does shoot a .223 but at over 3,000 FPS, a sabot slug is extremely heavy and does serve a purpose depending on what you’re using your weapon system for...if that makes sense so I’m by no means “knocking” you I’m simply explaining say a hunter might want it in case of a bear or to hunt bear. A military serviceman will use the slugs to breach followed by suppressive fire which is extremely capable of making people duck with its 30 round mags however I like a .308...but that’s all I’m saying. I would buy both...I do own both haha stay safe y’all!
I used the Brenneke K.O.s for a few years. They don't fragment and go lengthwise THROUGH a deer. They were most accurate with the barrel I had at the time. Great stuff.
The Brenneke is reputedly the premier bear defense slug in Alaska and such places. The weight and lack of expansion should give it excellent bone breaking power, which is just what you need. Love the humor too
I freaking love this round..... and thank you for giving us such a detailed review of this round. I love seeing the same round being shot into different targets.
I am well impressed with the brenneke.....I own an Remington 870 12 gauge...I was shooting at 40 yards...my target was an 8 inch thick tree...with my pond being my backing....I fired a simple 2 3/4 inch reminging slug...the slug penetrated about only 2 inches...then I loaded a brenneke black magic 3 inch mag slug...I fired the 3 inch brenneke slug...the slug penetrated the 8 inch tree and hit the water.....I love it!!!
Wow, I'm so used to seeing Foster-style slugs flatten and fragment, I was VERY surprised to see how well this thing held together. Thanks for yet another great test!
Thanks Tn. I'm from Chattanooga but am currently stationed in Fairbanks, AK. I load these same slugs into my 870 when we camp on the Chatanika River up here. So far we have seen grizzly tracks but the bears have been no bother. The penetration these slugs offer provide me with a some comfort when out a d about with my family. Thanks for the review!
Best slug videos bar none. Great detail, accurate testing, not overly long. Thanks and keep it up. I do believe this test could be redone, with better shot placement. Just due to the reputation of the round, I'd like to see more. Either way great vid.
I allways load my shotgun with this ammo when I go camping or fishing. We don't have any grizzly in Kentucky but there has been countless story's and sightings of Bigfoot and dogman. I never seen any but I like to be prepared just incase. 😁🇺🇸
@@xxheartbrokexx100 this past weekend I was fishing for flathead catfish off the bank at lake Barkley when I heard a terrifying growl. I don't know what in the world it was but I'm glad I had my 12 ga beside me. It freaked me out and I started loading all my gear up as fast as I could. I allmost left half of it there.
Now that was simply impressive! I am so glad you make these scientific videos to visualize which are effective. I can see home defense in a thin walled home would be a concern of over penetration. Very interesting and well done.
Eurotrash RC better hope you don't run into anything bigger than a T. rex unless you're packing either a semi-auto or full auto gun you might not have enough time to cycle the action.
I can remember about 30 years ago up here in Canada roughly and got my hands on some Brenneke , used them for deer hunting , let's say I never had to go looking for my deer as it dropped on the spot , we had a local gunsmith importing these rounds . They are very impressive, the rounds back then had a hard cardboard stabalizer or wading screwed to the slug back side , regardless they were and still are deadly
I agree with fordfanatic325. You make some of the most informative videos I have ever seen when it comes to guns and ammunition. The extra wit and intelligence you throw in makes them them the best. Thank you, and keep it up.
very interesting test. Thank your taking the time to do these tests and post a video of the results. It looks like this is a bear load you could depend on to save your life - especially with 5/6 more in the tube for back-up.
After I went to the range and shot 5 of those...I'd say I can definitely feel the power. The recoil is unforgiving at least on my 18.5" M590A1 with Magpul furnitures. Just got the Remington recoil pad and adaptor to see if that will help...
Aww man Too bad that wasn't the clear ballistic gel. That would have been cool to see slow-mo. That is one hard slug though, You should try a test on kevlar, or ceramic armor plate. Id be curious to see what it does to the projectile.
Your videos are very professionally done. Cabela's just shipped my order of these slugs. I am not exactly why I bought these. Probably because I just wanted some BA slug rounds!!
Holy crap it's the hammer of Thor, I gotta get me a box! Seriously, that's the most impressive round you've shown thus far. Thax for the vid, now I know what I'm taking for backwoodsprotection.
I was just kiddin'........about forgetting the test I mean; I think your ballistic tests are some of the best on TH-cam. You have a great channel here sir and I appreciate the time and energy you put in to these VERY informative videos. Truth be told, I've used a lot of the info in your videos in my own shooting and hunting. And thanks for the tip about Lowes too, I really do need a good folding table!!!
Mr tnoutdoors9, I truly want to thank you for all you do sir. I am normally not one to leave comments. However, I felt it was necessary. Not only do I enjoy the production and "meat" of the video's,( not necessarily referring to this one in particular,) I enjoy and appreciate all the hard work you must put into making a video...I, myself am a firearm enthusiast too, am yet to make a video and post it. I am not very computer savvy. Once again, thank you for all you do sir!
Great informative video as always!. I'd like to see a 12 gauge Hornady Critical Defense 2 3/4 00 Buckshot (8 pellet 1600 FPS) ballistic gel test. I think it would be interesting due to the increased muzzle velocity.
Excellent video, it helped me settle on this slug for my poor man's double rifle to be used for camp security in grizz, wolf, mountain lion and Sasquatch country. I can present a formidable defense against apex predators or slip in some birdshot and have partridge, grouse or rabbit for my Dutch oven.
This is the Slug that we Load-up with when hiking in Grizzly Country.Yes, it will kill a big-bear, but keep shooting till the bear goes down and then shot the thing 2 more times!
+GlockMod23 Correct, no gun under a .50 BMG is likely to stop a grizzly in it's tracks, even in .50 BMG I wouldn't want to use a single shot rifle, still no guarantee.
Phill Huddleston I'd like to think that a 30mm depleted uranium shell from an A10 warthog could stop any bear with one good placed shot. That would kinda be a unfair matchup though.
Last year I shot a deer at about 100 yards with one of these and I got a complete pass through and took down a sapling too. the deer didn't even make it 10 yards before he fell.
I have one I recovered that went through the length of a three year old buck. It stopped under the skin just beyond it's heart. Hit by lightning. Ordinary foster slugs are fine. I still prefer Brennekes.
I ordered a box of these online a few years ago. I can't remember the website, but that had the muzzle velocity advertised at 3014. I had to see what a 12ga slug faster than a 3006 would do. I kind of figured it was a mistake on their part, but it was worth the money. Awesome slugs.
Nice. My favorite firearm is my 12 gauge. Always has been. Why buy all these different guns for hunting when you have one gun that can do it all? I know others like different things, but I always get close to my target so my shotgun always shines!
+Todd Klekotka It all depends on where you live. On my property the woods are so heavy and hilly a seventy yard shot would be about as long as you will get but some areas are far more open.
Very true. I've always hunted in MI or OH. But now that I live in NE, having a rifle is a must, lol. Its easy to make a 600+ shot out here. Then again the waterfowl and turkey hunting is awesome here, but yes it does matter where you live and what game your hunting.
Here in the uk we get the OPALMAGNUM slug, a rifled brenneke slug with a 3" 12ga case that shoots a 1 1/2 oz slug at 1615 fps with a 20" barrel giving it 5184 j/3825 lb ft of energy, 20 lb ft more than the magnum crush that is the most powerful in the USA but that is a sabot slug, the opal is the most powerful 3" slug in the world never mind rifled. Also has more energy over range than magnum crush
I've been using the brenneke classic magnum slugs in 20ga for deer for 30 years, probably taken an excess of 25 deer with them, they hit harder then any of those fancy smancy sabots, accuracy is more then acceptable on them too. Love brenneke slugs
Thank you tnoutdoors9. Great informative review. Have you done a chrono test on this round? Just curious about the muzzle velocity. Not a round that I'd use in the house for self defense but against big game or bad guys in a vehicle I think that it would be a good round. I'm going to get some of these to feed the Mossberg 590SP with 20" barrel.
The Breneke creates a larger cavity than the Foster because it is flat in front which pushes flesh in front of it whereas the rounded Foster the flesh isn't held in front of the projectile as it penetrates, but slips through it if that makes any sense.
WOW!! I had heard the Brenneke slugs were the type to use for bears or hogs where you look for penetration rather than expansion and this video showed that in spades. I have used foster slugs on deer before and they cause a lot of damage but even on deer they tend to come apart. Anyway, thanks for the great video.
Frank Napolitano pretty much. It's a no brainer for when you are hunting or need something to put a big animal down. You can also argue that it'd work if you live in a very rural area where you're very far from other inhabitants in a situation where you might need to use this powerful slug. Now the problem with over penetration is that you're pretty much asking for a lot of trouble (both moral and legal) if you use it for HD in a dense or moderately urban environment. You MAY take down a bad guy, but there's a big possibility that the powerful round will go through the bad guy, the wall behind him, and maybe other walls beyond that. Not even to mention if you miss the bad guy, then lord knows where that bullet is going to go. That brings up the big possibility of hitting innocent people, something you're actually trying to prevent in the first place. There's of course another side to the argument that worrying too much and compromising too much to avoid over penetration might end up working against your favor in a situation where you can't afford one, but a good balance and planning + common sense is the best things to take into your consideration for a HD ammo choice.
+Ja C It's not a good choice even in a rural area unless you are the only one who lives in the house.Secondly any energy spent after passing through the person is wasted so you are better off stopping power wise using ammo that barely penetrates.However if you are concerned about bears attacking you this would be great ammo choice.
Shotgun slugs tend to penetrate walls with ease, so there's a chance you might hurt someone in the room behind the treat. If that's not a concern (like if you live on a ranch all by yourself with nothing but fields around and don't mind having to repair your walls) then the slug really is a great option for home defense, but most seem to preffer large to medium sized buckshot. Also buckshot recoils less and isn't as loud, normally. That's what I could think of, I'm sure there's more.
I love these slugs. I used "regular" Winchester foster slugs deer hunting in 2012. Budget reasons and I knew I would be close up anyway... My deer ran about fifty yards. I thought I had missed! With these Brennekes, deer have always stumbled flat on their nose. I had one go lengthwise through a Minnesota buck from the hip, through the heart. It stopped under the hide in the front of the chest. Hardly deformed at all. Boom. Lights out. I'm going back to these next year.
I run a very similar PMC slug. Brenekke style that looks almost identical to that one. They hit realy hard. 3 inch. 36 gram, 1 1/4 ounce @ 1600 fps. Had them full pass through 230lb wild pig shoulder. Through the plate, both lungs and stopped under the skin on opposite side. Too big for home defence, unless its against a big bear or such lol.
there is one thing you guys who do slug shooting videos seem to forget . slugs are for hunting big game so you wont stalk wild animal until you are 30 feet , use reasonable distance maybe 50 to hundred yards then your results will be valid.
What you dont take into account are these are european slugs (german). There hunting is done usually by a large group of hunters split in half, with one half waiting and the other half flushing/scaring the game towards them. As such most shots are taken from a very close distance at a running animal with an unscoped shotgun shooting slugs or an unscoped rifle (for dangerous european game such as wild boar). In europe the only game which is really hunted in the american fashion of stalking with a scoped rifle is rarer mountain game such as ibex, bear, and occasionally dear and elk.
These slugs are some of the most powerful you can buy. These aren't designed for hunting big/dangerous game they're made for defense against big/dangerous game (like stopping a charging bear at 25 yards.) If you're going to be hunting dangerous game you need a rifle chambered in an appropriate cartridge (like .375 H&H) slugs are so large that the amount of wind resistance they create just slows them down too fast for them to be good at hunting at range (at 100 yards most slugs will have lost over half of their kinetic energy.)
Haha...so the Brenneke slug is good for hunting large game that is hunting you. I became curious about this round after I finished reading a Jack Reacher novel. He loads up two Mossberg 500 Persuader 12 gauge shotguns with these Brenneke slugs. He made a good impression on the bad guys. Thanks for the informative video.
Antimony is what's added to lead to harden the lead for certain uses. The higher percentage of antimony in the lead, the harder it gets. Check out Brenneke "Special Forces" slugs. So hard that these slugs can go through steel engine blocks. At about $20+ per box of five they are expensive.
a few years back I decided I would use these slugs for deer hunting ,well I had a decent buck come to about 35 yards from my stand and I hit him hard right in the "boiler room " well he jumped crazy high and ran about 40 yards sideways to me and stopped so he was still 35 yards and I thought I better hit him again just in case ,well I put another in him in the same spot then he ran straight away to about 100 yards where it appeared he went down so I got out of the stand and I looked and he was up and running ,well I knew where he was headed so I ran over there and sure enough he came right by me at 20 yards and I put 3 shots into him ,looked like he went down so over I go and wtf he is up again so I put 2 more into him and down again I through a couple more in the gun and over I go and the SOB is up again !! 2 more @ like 15 yards and finally hes was down for good now that's 9 slugs all at pretty close range ,so I gut him out and there is no damage inside ???? get him home and skinned him and the slugs dropped every where and NOT ONE SLUG penetrated into the deer past the skin so yeah no more brennekes for me ------shot another that year with 1 oz Winchesters and blew half the deer away at 60 yards 1 shot so I saw no reason to look for a different brand!! and that's the gods honest truth I swear to it !!!!
Bullshit. Did u even watch the test? This thing penetrates like crazy. So your telling me these well known bear stoppers wouldn't penetrate a deer? And somehow your shitty Winchester "blew half the deer away." The brenneke black magic is made out of a harder lead and has better ballistics, so it would be impossible for your Winchester to penetrate better. There is no way in hell a slug like a brenneke isn't going to blow thru a deer. And a shotgun slug can't "blow half a deer away." Your so full of shit it isn't even funny. I shot my first buck with a 1 ounce Winchester, and it fragmented and barley reached the vitals, we had to track it almost 400 yds. Next season I used a brenneke green lightning to take 2 deer, both dropped within 30yds and both times the slug penetrated straight thru. I swear to it!! Now you have a real account making your story look silly. Your just a Winchester fanboy and I'm calling you out on it.
well its very unfortunate there are dumb punks like you in the world I gave you a very true account of a hunt I had some years back I dont for a minute think that a brenneke slug wont penetrate a deer you dumb ass im telling you they sure had a quality control issue that day . a brenneke slug is nothing its just another slug it certainly isnt a better slug than any other if you think winchester just isnt able to make a slug as good as brenneke can you just plain stupid and ya know im not even a winchester fan I do have 1 winchester gun -22 auto its a piece of crap cant empty a clip without jamming i hate it about the only reason i even get winchester slugs is because they were cheap at a time when I didnt have much $$$$ and they seem to work just fine and you can get them for 3$ at walmart and i dont want to bother resighting my guns for somthing else that will work just the same on the other hand when i used the brennekes I was looking for a premium slug and the brennekes let me down on that particular day look I dont know wtf happened all I know is I shot at that deer 14 times and when it was all said and done 9 slugs came out of him and most if not all of those shot were inside 50 yards if you choose to not believe me but when you call me a liar and stupid now we have an issue
george lens Srry I was being very rude, I apologize. But none of them going past the skin? that's crap! A brenneke is antimony hardened. The only way your comment would be believable would be if you used a brenneke ko or sabot. I'm srry bud but a bear proven round is going to fail on a deer. What type of brenneke was it?
At this point, if someone's gonna' shoot at me, I'd still consider myself "medium-game", but a few more slabs of ribs at Corky's should bump my bathroom scale up into the "big-game" category. What a great setup and demonstration! These slugs hit like a Mack truck!
wow, that block didnt just merely, 'dance'. it got rocked buy a 1?2 tons of force as it were a dubstep kid at a rave-show. awesome video. definetly going to by buying a pack sometime in the near future.
Great vid. I would like to see an accuracy test with this ammo at some point if you get a wild hair to do it. I have heard that Brenneke slugs are very accurate at a distance as well as holding together really well.
The 590A1 has a much heavier barrel and is purely smoothbore with no choke option. 500 and 590 barrels are different and will not crossover. The 590A1 was designed for the USMC. They dont make a barrel for it longer than 20.5"
Yes, that is definitely a possibility on the bone. I suppose if you were to do it you would need to build or pile sandbags all around the target in order to contain the slug.
As for slugs, I left the Army 49 years ago. Before I left I worked a deer check station with the MPs in Fort Campbell Ky. Deer hunting with firearms on Federal property was with shotgun slugs only. We processed 186 deer in three days. I remember precisely because the results were, for me anyway, so remarkable. I found four slugs in the deer that were checked in to be removed from Federal property. All four slugs were 20 guage; every 12 guage slug was a complete pass through regardless of the wound placement or size of the deer. The 20 guage slugs were the Forster type as I recall. I do not remember ever seeing a second shot used. Nearly all of the animals just collapsed in their tracks. There were likely some short barreled shotguns used but the only ones I remember seeing were standard 26 or 28" length types such as Remington 1100s or 870s, that sort of thing.
Can we please have a moment of silence for actual "knock-down" power. Watching that ballistics gel blob get tossed of the table was very impressive.
Try that with a peashooter AR15 😁
Capt. Ned sold my ar and got a mossberg 930....not even a contest..22 next to a 70 cal
Capacity vs stopping power, An AR or M4 does shoot a .223 but at over 3,000 FPS, a sabot slug is extremely heavy and does serve a purpose depending on what you’re using your weapon system for...if that makes sense so I’m by no means “knocking” you I’m simply explaining say a hunter might want it in case of a bear or to hunt bear. A military serviceman will use the slugs to breach followed by suppressive fire which is extremely capable of making people duck with its 30 round mags however I like a .308...but that’s all I’m saying. I would buy both...I do own both haha stay safe y’all!
a .223 for bear is suicide, ar 15 or not.
Shit shook awfuly....
I used the Brenneke K.O.s for a few years. They don't fragment and go lengthwise THROUGH a deer. They were most accurate with the barrel I had at the time. Great stuff.
palletjack612 Hell yeah brother, got my biggest buck yet with the K.O. It's a powerhouse of a round
Thanks for your comment, Palletjack6112. I have the Brenneke K.O.s and have been looking for feedback on them.
The Brenneke is reputedly the premier bear defense slug in Alaska and such places. The weight and lack of expansion should give it excellent bone breaking power, which is just what you need. Love the humor too
I freaking love this round..... and thank you for giving us such a detailed review of this round. I love seeing the same round being shot into different targets.
I am well impressed with the brenneke.....I own an Remington 870 12 gauge...I was shooting at 40 yards...my target was an 8 inch thick tree...with my pond being my backing....I fired a simple 2 3/4 inch reminging slug...the slug penetrated about only 2 inches...then I loaded a brenneke black magic 3 inch mag slug...I fired the 3 inch brenneke slug...the slug penetrated the 8 inch tree and hit the water.....I love it!!!
Wow, I'm so used to seeing Foster-style slugs flatten and fragment, I was VERY surprised to see how well this thing held together. Thanks for yet another great test!
Thanks Tn. I'm from Chattanooga but am currently stationed in Fairbanks, AK. I load these same slugs into my 870 when we camp on the Chatanika River up here. So far we have seen grizzly tracks but the bears have been no bother. The penetration these slugs offer provide me with a some comfort when out a d about with my family. Thanks for the review!
Best slug videos bar none. Great detail, accurate testing, not overly long. Thanks and keep it up. I do believe this test could be redone, with better shot placement. Just due to the reputation of the round, I'd like to see more. Either way great vid.
Thanks for the outstanding test - Here in Bulgaria Brenneke slugs are the common choice for wild boar hunting - excellent performance in the field...
Greetings from N.C. ! (I have a fb friend from Sofia. 🐗 🐻 🐾)
I allways load my shotgun with this ammo when I go camping or fishing. We don't have any grizzly in Kentucky but there has been countless story's and sightings of Bigfoot and dogman. I never seen any but I like to be prepared just incase. 😁🇺🇸
Exotic threats is a good reason honestly you wouldn't believe what's out there.
@@xxheartbrokexx100 have you seen or heard anything in the woods that you couldn't I D ?
Look up missing 411 if you think that shit isn't real it is people go missing in the woods without a trace
@@xxheartbrokexx100 this past weekend I was fishing for flathead catfish off the bank at lake Barkley when I heard a terrifying growl. I don't know what in the world it was but I'm glad I had my 12 ga beside me. It freaked me out and I started loading all my gear up as fast as I could. I allmost left half of it there.
Ernest Walden yes I have
Those Brenneke slugs are NO JOKE......and the Black Magic smells aren’t even their most “powerful” shells. Great video by the way!
Which slug is their most powerful?
@@thegeth4293magnum crush
Now that was simply impressive! I am so glad you make these scientific videos to visualize which are effective. I can see home defense in a thin walled home would be a concern of over penetration. Very interesting and well done.
thinking about getting some of these just in case I encounter a dinosaur on a hike
+Eric scissorhands Good idea Turok
Eric scissorhands I love it!!! Hahaha 😂🤣
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Eurotrash RC better hope you don't run into anything bigger than a T. rex unless you're packing either a semi-auto or full auto gun you might not have enough time to cycle the action.
Think this could kill a dinosaur if they were still alive
I can remember about 30 years ago up here in Canada roughly and got my hands on some Brenneke , used them for deer hunting , let's say I never had to go looking for my deer as it dropped on the spot , we had a local gunsmith importing these rounds . They are very impressive, the rounds back then had a hard cardboard stabalizer or wading screwed to the slug back side , regardless they were and still are deadly
Boy, was I surprised to see this video posted today! Big fan of Brenneke slugs
and these tests did not disappoint! Thanks for posting.
Wow looks like an incredibly effective round for large game. Thanks for doing this.
thank goodness for shooting multiple targets with different material. really show the ability the bullets.
i used the fiocci slug for this deer season and its designed simular to the black magic magnum and i was impressed with the entry and exit wounds
Which exactly?
YES! 12 gauge slugs are stupid powerful! More shotgun tests Tn! Your ammo tests are so well done man!
Always TN, You keep it Interesting, to the point, and leave us hungry for more lol....Thank You for Giving so much time to the Firearms' Community...
Best ballistic test ever. I cannot imagine the amount of time you dedicate to making these videos.
Definitely my go to slug for all big game hunts.
I agree with fordfanatic325. You make some of the most informative videos I have ever seen when it comes to guns and ammunition. The extra wit and intelligence you throw in makes them them the best. Thank you, and keep it up.
Now I know the right shell for frog hunting.
piraquets 😂😂😂
Lol if you want to turn those frogs to mist right in front of you
They hopp
I really appreciate all that you've done. It is helped me make some educated decisions about EDC and also educated the public. Thank you very much.
very interesting test. Thank your taking the time to do these tests and post a video of the results. It looks like this is a bear load you could depend on to save your life - especially with 5/6 more in the tube for back-up.
About time we had another ballistic test
Looks promising. Bought 25 of those for wild life protection for my Alaska trip.
After I went to the range and shot 5 of those...I'd say I can definitely feel the power. The recoil is unforgiving at least on my 18.5" M590A1 with Magpul furnitures. Just got the Remington recoil pad and adaptor to see if that will help...
ousi00 Wild life protection or your protection?
Don't believe that for one second. I've seen it tested and nothing but praise and amazement.
Aww man Too bad that wasn't the clear ballistic gel. That would have been cool to see slow-mo. That is one hard slug though, You should try a test on kevlar, or ceramic armor plate. Id be curious to see what it does to the projectile.
Your videos are very professionally done.
Cabela's just shipped my order of these slugs.
I am not exactly why I bought these. Probably because I just wanted some BA slug rounds!!
Wow! That was amazing. Thanks for doing another shotgun test. It's been a while.
Holy crap it's the hammer of Thor, I gotta get me a box! Seriously, that's the most impressive round you've shown thus far. Thax for the vid, now I know what I'm taking for backwoodsprotection.
the noise the gel makes at 5:04
I was just kiddin'........about forgetting the test I mean; I think your ballistic tests are some of the best on TH-cam. You have a great channel here sir and I appreciate the time and energy you put in to these VERY informative videos. Truth be told, I've used a lot of the info in your videos in my own shooting and hunting.
And thanks for the tip about Lowes too, I really do need a good folding table!!!
I think you could safely say that this round has actual knockdown power!
Great video.
Whereas trying to argue the relative “knock-down power” characteristics of centerfire handgun rounds is just splitting hairs…
Excellent video TN, those slugs are freaking hard! I was very surprised how little deformation there was in the pine board test.
dude.....that permanent cavity, 4 inches?! thats enough to pretty much stop an elephant! that should be called an elephant slug.
they make an even more powerful one now, called the brenneke crush.
UHH...OK?
Mr tnoutdoors9,
I truly want to thank you for all you do sir. I am normally not one to leave comments. However, I felt it was necessary. Not only do I enjoy the production and "meat" of the video's,( not necessarily referring to this one in particular,) I enjoy and appreciate all the hard work you must put into making a video...I, myself am a firearm enthusiast too, am yet to make a video and post it. I am not very computer savvy. Once again, thank you for all you do sir!
Great informative video as always!.
I'd like to see a 12 gauge Hornady Critical Defense 2 3/4 00 Buckshot (8 pellet 1600 FPS) ballistic gel test. I think it would be interesting due to the increased muzzle velocity.
These are the Shells I keep in my shotgun, great to finally see them get to poke through some media!
I think you should try testing the clear ballistics gel
That is highly impressive performance from a shotgun slug!
Excellent video, it helped me settle on this slug for my poor man's double rifle to be used for camp security in grizz, wolf, mountain lion and Sasquatch country. I can present a formidable defense against apex predators or slip in some birdshot and have partridge, grouse or rabbit for my Dutch oven.
By far the best ammo reviews on youtube.
This is the Slug that we Load-up with when hiking in Grizzly Country.Yes, it will kill a big-bear, but keep shooting till the bear goes down and then shot the thing 2 more times!
+GlockMod23 Correct, no gun under a .50 BMG is likely to stop a grizzly in it's tracks, even in .50 BMG I wouldn't want to use a single shot rifle, still no guarantee.
Phill Huddleston There is a video here on youtube of a guy dropping a big Alaskan brown bear in his tracks with his Smith & Wesson 460XVR revolver.
Chris Strobel We are talking about 100% guarantee of dropping a bear every single time. Nothing short of a 40 mm grenade will do that.
Phill Huddleston I'd like to think that a 30mm depleted uranium shell from an A10 warthog could stop any bear with one good placed shot. That would kinda be a unfair matchup though.
For good measure hunt with a friend.Backup fire.
I took a large buck earlier this year with one of these and WOW..first deer iv ever put down in his tracks...didn't move 5'...unbelievable cavity
You were using the black magic?
5:07 - 5:14 That death scene had more drama and realism than anything Mr and Mrs Will Smith have yet managed to achieve in their acting careers.
GREAT review! Very informative! Thanks for all your hard work putting this review together!
Last year I shot a deer at about 100 yards with one of these and I got a complete pass through and took down a sapling too. the deer didn't even make it 10 yards before he fell.
I have one I recovered that went through the length of a three year old buck. It stopped under the skin just beyond it's heart. Hit by lightning. Ordinary foster slugs are fine. I still prefer Brennekes.
Get some!
I live in a state that does not allow standard rifle calibers, 30-06, 308 ect. this slug seems perfect for deer out here.
@@silvirhunter3607 live in iowa do ya?
@@abrahamcerda76 Minnesota is the same way, too.
I ordered a box of these online a few years ago. I can't remember the website, but that had the muzzle velocity advertised at 3014. I had to see what a 12ga slug faster than a 3006 would do. I kind of figured it was a mistake on their part, but it was worth the money. Awesome slugs.
Nice. My favorite firearm is my 12 gauge. Always has been. Why buy all these different guns for hunting when you have one gun that can do it all? I know others like different things, but I always get close to my target so my shotgun always shines!
+Todd Klekotka It all depends on where you live. On my property the woods are so heavy and hilly a seventy yard shot would be about as long as you will get but some areas are far more open.
Very true. I've always hunted in MI or OH. But now that I live in NE, having a rifle is a must, lol. Its easy to make a 600+ shot out here. Then again the waterfowl and turkey hunting is awesome here, but yes it does matter where you live and what game your hunting.
+Todd Klekotka I wish I could rifle hunt. your neighbor in Iowa.
Silvirbullet what? Iowa does not allow rifles for hunting?
+Todd Klekotka sadly no. they claim it's too open for full power rifles. so we're stuck with slugs for deer. can't even use buckshot.
Nice to see something fully penetrate the block. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks again for another great video! How does the recoil compare to other slugs?
Here in the uk we get the OPALMAGNUM slug, a rifled brenneke slug with a 3" 12ga case that shoots a 1 1/2 oz slug at 1615 fps with a 20" barrel giving it 5184 j/3825 lb ft of energy, 20 lb ft more than the magnum crush that is the most powerful in the USA but that is a sabot slug, the opal is the most powerful 3" slug in the world never mind rifled. Also has more energy over range than magnum crush
***** yes, especially in a light shotgun...
A Bear's, Dogman's or Bigfoot's WORST Nightmare...
I've been using the brenneke classic magnum slugs in 20ga for deer for 30 years, probably taken an excess of 25 deer with them, they hit harder then any of those fancy smancy sabots, accuracy is more then acceptable on them too. Love brenneke slugs
Thank you tnoutdoors9. Great informative review. Have you done a chrono test on this round? Just curious about the muzzle velocity. Not a round that I'd use in the house for self defense but against big game or bad guys in a vehicle I think that it would be a good round. I'm going to get some of these to feed the Mossberg 590SP with 20" barrel.
Can’t find em anywhere
The Breneke creates a larger cavity than the Foster because it is flat in front which pushes flesh in front of it whereas the rounded Foster the flesh isn't held in front of the projectile as it penetrates, but slips through it if that makes any sense.
"...freaking air torpedoes for your shotgun."
LMAO Love it.
I understand. Thank you for taking the time to get back to me
hey make a 9mm penetration test with FMJ ammo please !
Great vid. I would love to see the same video with the Brenneke "Special Forces Maximum Barrier Penetration" slug. I'd imagine others would as well.
Are you using a steak thermometer to point at the Ballistics Gel cavity? Lol
luis cuellar YES
***** haha nice man.
***** how much was a 5 pack of those?
Got to visit Outpost Armory 2 weeks ago on a trip to the Boro. First time I've ever seen 8 Barrett rifles at once. Nice gun store.
This looks like a good load to me, especially for home defense . . . especially for those gunners with poor marksmanship and thin walls.
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Good advice, right, Chris?
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Thanks for another excellent video. I find yours to be the most informative and comprehensive of their type.
i wonder what a phesant would look like what hit with that
If a pheasant was hit with that you would be like what pheasant
totally agree
Red Mist.
WOW!! I had heard the Brenneke slugs were the type to use for bears or hogs where you look for penetration rather than expansion and this video showed that in spades. I have used foster slugs on deer before and they cause a lot of damage but even on deer they tend to come apart. Anyway, thanks for the great video.
If the Brenneke has more stopping power than a Foster slug, why not use it for home defense ? Is over penetration the issue ?
Did ya watch the video?
Frank Napolitano pretty much. It's a no brainer for when you are hunting or need something to put a big animal down. You can also argue that it'd work if you live in a very rural area where you're very far from other inhabitants in a situation where you might need to use this powerful slug.
Now the problem with over penetration is that you're pretty much asking for a lot of trouble (both moral and legal) if you use it for HD in a dense or moderately urban environment. You MAY take down a bad guy, but there's a big possibility that the powerful round will go through the bad guy, the wall behind him, and maybe other walls beyond that. Not even to mention if you miss the bad guy, then lord knows where that bullet is going to go. That brings up the big possibility of hitting innocent people, something you're actually trying to prevent in the first place.
There's of course another side to the argument that worrying too much and compromising too much to avoid over penetration might end up working against your favor in a situation where you can't afford one, but a good balance and planning + common sense is the best things to take into your consideration for a HD ammo choice.
+Ja C It's not a good choice even in a rural area unless you are the only one who lives in the house.Secondly any energy spent after passing through the person is wasted so you are better off stopping power wise using ammo that barely penetrates.However if you are concerned about bears attacking you this would be great ammo choice.
+Phill Huddleston Correction , when I said "barely penetrates" I meant exiting through the person or animal.
Shotgun slugs tend to penetrate walls with ease, so there's a chance you might hurt someone in the room behind the treat. If that's not a concern (like if you live on a ranch all by yourself with nothing but fields around and don't mind having to repair your walls) then the slug really is a great option for home defense, but most seem to preffer large to medium sized buckshot. Also buckshot recoils less and isn't as loud, normally. That's what I could think of, I'm sure there's more.
oookaaay... so I'm gonna seriously fortify my fences. My 20 inch sandbags are a little thin....#sigh#
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This slug is what I keep in a remington 870 police magnum s,ooth bore as defense in bear country.
I love these slugs. I used "regular" Winchester foster slugs deer hunting in 2012. Budget reasons and I knew I would be close up anyway... My deer ran about fifty yards. I thought I had missed! With these Brennekes, deer have always stumbled flat on their nose. I had one go lengthwise through a Minnesota buck from the hip, through the heart. It stopped under the hide in the front of the chest. Hardly deformed at all. Boom. Lights out. I'm going back to these next year.
Do you use the black magic?
but TN, a shotgun can't be more powerful than an Assault Weapon in 5.56 :|
I run a very similar PMC slug. Brenekke style that looks almost identical to that one.
They hit realy hard.
3 inch. 36 gram, 1 1/4 ounce @ 1600 fps.
Had them full pass through 230lb wild pig shoulder. Through the plate, both lungs and stopped under the skin on opposite side.
Too big for home defence, unless its against a big bear or such lol.
there is one thing you guys who do slug shooting videos seem to forget . slugs are for hunting big game so you wont stalk wild animal until you are 30 feet , use reasonable distance maybe 50 to hundred yards then your results will be valid.
What you dont take into account are these are european slugs (german). There hunting is done usually by a large group of hunters split in half, with one half waiting and the other half flushing/scaring the game towards them. As such most shots are taken from a very close distance at a running animal with an unscoped shotgun shooting slugs or an unscoped rifle (for dangerous european game such as wild boar). In europe the only game which is really hunted in the american fashion of stalking with a scoped rifle is rarer mountain game such as ibex, bear, and occasionally dear and elk.
Florin Giuvara so whats your point? German slugs are weak, the shooter has to be close to a target?
These slugs are some of the most powerful you can buy. These aren't designed for hunting big/dangerous game they're made for defense against big/dangerous game (like stopping a charging bear at 25 yards.) If you're going to be hunting dangerous game you need a rifle chambered in an appropriate cartridge (like .375 H&H) slugs are so large that the amount of wind resistance they create just slows them down too fast for them to be good at hunting at range (at 100 yards most slugs will have lost over half of their kinetic energy.)
Very well said.
Damn, bakani! He told you!!!!!
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Well I know what I'm taking with me when I go hunting and run into a dog man or run into a Bigfoot
Thats gotta be the highest "high brass" I've ever seen! Man, I bet that thing POPS!
Dang these things are insane!
I know the squatch tried to kill me. It will pay.
Powerful slug. As always, great video and test.
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+boedhaspeaks I seen this before but I needed a refresher :P
+boedhaspeaks Same. I think I'll like it here!
Been waiting for this test for a while! Thanks, dude!
That block was twerkin.
Haha...so the Brenneke slug is good for hunting large game that is hunting you.
I became curious about this round after I finished reading a Jack Reacher novel.
He loads up two Mossberg 500 Persuader 12 gauge shotguns with these Brenneke slugs.
He made a good impression on the bad guys.
Thanks for the informative video.
3:39 giggity
I really appreciate your reviews.
"Freaking Air-torpedo", LMAO.
love the sound the gel makes when it hits the ground
Fucking hell!
Antimony is what's added to lead to harden the lead for certain uses. The higher percentage of antimony in the lead, the harder it gets. Check out Brenneke "Special Forces" slugs. So hard that these slugs can go through steel engine blocks. At about $20+ per box of five they are expensive.
a few years back I decided I would use these slugs for deer hunting ,well I had a decent buck come to about 35 yards from my stand and I hit him hard right in the "boiler room " well he jumped crazy high and ran about 40 yards sideways to me and stopped so he was still 35 yards and I thought I better hit him again just in case ,well I put another in him in the same spot then he ran straight away to about 100 yards where it appeared he went down so I got out of the stand and I looked and he was up and running ,well I knew where he was headed so I ran over there and sure enough he came right by me at 20 yards and I put 3 shots into him ,looked like he went down so over I go and wtf he is up again so I put 2 more into him and down again I through a couple more in the gun and over I go and the SOB is up again !! 2 more @ like 15 yards and finally hes was down for good now that's 9 slugs all at pretty close range ,so I gut him out and there is no damage inside ???? get him home and skinned him and the slugs dropped every where and NOT ONE SLUG penetrated into the deer past the skin so yeah no more brennekes for me ------shot another that year with 1 oz Winchesters and blew half the deer away at 60 yards 1 shot so I saw no reason to look for a different brand!! and that's the gods honest truth I swear to it !!!!
Bullshit. Did u even watch the test? This thing penetrates like crazy. So your telling me these well known bear stoppers wouldn't penetrate a deer? And somehow your shitty Winchester "blew half the deer away." The brenneke black magic is made out of a harder lead and has better ballistics, so it would be impossible for your Winchester to penetrate better. There is no way in hell a slug like a brenneke isn't going to blow thru a deer. And a shotgun slug can't "blow half a deer away." Your so full of shit it isn't even funny. I shot my first buck with a 1 ounce Winchester, and it fragmented and barley reached the vitals, we had to track it almost 400 yds. Next season I used a brenneke green lightning to take 2 deer, both dropped within 30yds and both times the slug penetrated straight thru. I swear to it!! Now you have a real account making your story look silly. Your just a Winchester fanboy and I'm calling you out on it.
Seriously people this has to be one of the dumbest stories I've ever heard. It has bullshit written all over it.
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agree with you the first deer i shot was with a 20 gauge and it went threw a shoulder and the spine out the other side .
well its very unfortunate there are dumb punks like you in the world I gave you a very true account of a hunt I had some years back I dont for a minute think that a brenneke slug wont penetrate a deer you dumb ass im telling you they sure had a quality control issue that day . a brenneke slug is nothing its just another slug it certainly isnt a better slug than any other if you think winchester just isnt able to make a slug as good as brenneke can you just plain stupid and ya know im not even a winchester fan I do have 1 winchester gun -22 auto its a piece of crap cant empty a clip without jamming i hate it about the only reason i even get winchester slugs is because they were cheap at a time when I didnt have much $$$$ and they seem to work just fine and you can get them for 3$ at walmart and i dont want to bother resighting my guns for somthing else that will work just the same on the other hand when i used the brennekes I was looking for a premium slug and the brennekes let me down on that particular day look I dont know wtf happened all I know is I shot at that deer 14 times and when it was all said and done 9 slugs came out of him and most if not all of those shot were inside 50 yards if you choose to not believe me but when you call me a liar and stupid now we have an issue
george lens Srry I was being very rude, I apologize. But none of them going past the skin? that's crap! A brenneke is antimony hardened. The only way your comment would be believable would be if you used a brenneke ko or sabot. I'm srry bud but a bear proven round is going to fail on a deer. What type of brenneke was it?
At this point, if someone's gonna' shoot at me, I'd still consider myself "medium-game", but a few more slabs of ribs at Corky's should bump my bathroom scale up into the "big-game" category.
What a great setup and demonstration! These slugs hit like a Mack truck!
wow, that block didnt just merely, 'dance'. it got rocked buy a 1?2 tons of force as it were a dubstep kid at a rave-show. awesome video. definetly going to by buying a pack sometime in the near future.
Great vid. I would like to see an accuracy test with this ammo at some point if you get a wild hair to do it. I have heard that Brenneke slugs are very accurate at a distance as well as holding together really well.
The 590A1 has a much heavier barrel and is purely smoothbore with no choke option. 500 and 590 barrels are different and will not crossover. The 590A1 was designed for the USMC. They dont make a barrel for it longer than 20.5"
Yes, that is definitely a possibility on the bone. I suppose if you were to do it you would need to build or pile sandbags all around the target in order to contain the slug.