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I understand your pain brother,,can you do Cold Steel Kudu locking mechanism, I have heard people have no clue how to disengage them and fold it 😂 BTW I love ❤️ Kudu and your honest video..👍👍👍
100% If I'm carrying a $300 knife (expensive for me) and someone at work asks if I have a knife on me (they know I always do) I'll just say nah I left it at home today 😂
expensive or not they don't care, if i'm borrowing something $10 or $500 knife or whatever, i'm using it like it's worth a million dollars because it's not mine, it's simple but some people don't understand it
@@virtualvirtual2362 The problem, even when someone has that respectful mindset, is that they may not know that what they are doing is going to damage the knife or even that someone might care about the type of damage they may cause. I wouldn't loan anything the borrower isn't familiar with.
@@snafuequals that's something that i didn't think of, for me if i'm borrowing a box cutter is because i need to cut stuff for example the insulation on a cable and not to use it as a screwdriver lol, the right tool for the job, yes i agree with not giving unusual tools to someone that doesn't know how it works they can injure themselves or break the tool
We typically always have a slip joint for this very reason. Slip joints are basic to operate, have a half stop, and they just don’t need much explanation. Plus, most slips have a super small footprint in your pocket so they’re easy to bring along, and they aren’t menacing in mixed company.
I started asking “what for” when asked for a knife 10-15 years ago.. I was working a lot of music festivals. This usually involved camping and knives tended to get abused pretty bad. I’d recently upgraded from to usual kershaws to a stainless spyderco dragonfly.. so $80 for a knife still felt like a lot. Anyway, someone asked for a knife, I hand them my nice dragonfly, and they immediately start trying to saw a can in half!.. not even a soda can, but a thick bean type can.. now I know that this can be done relatively safely for the knife but nah., this guy was literally just stabbing, sawing, prying, whatever to get this can in half. Why? I don’t know. But I’ve always just asked “what for?” Since then. I even had an old beat up Kershaw scallion which I would’ve let him go to town with!
I feel you there. I had an otf toy knife and had someone totally fuck the spear point by stabbing it into a wood hand rail at church. I now carry 2 knives. The knife I'm using and a 2 dollar knife I got on blade HQ to hand others
Speaking to the single action OTF’s. We saw 3 big knife guys struggle with the Heretic Hydra. They couldn’t figure out the swinging trap door over the button and then how to recharge it. The more moving parts a knife has the more people want to touch it.
My wife doesn’t like my Troodon, but she is smart. She opened my para 3 and looked at knife for a second, analyzing how the lock works and closes it or my old Bugout. And my Malice. While my stepdad and other men that carries a knife take my frame lock or para 3 and presses down into the lockbar or compression lock like it’s a damn button. Like are you not seeing what I’m seeing…
I almost always have several knives with or on me at any give time, partially for this very reason. Usually have whatever *I'M* wanting to carry myself, and a cheaper simple loaner/beater. As common as the axis/able-style lock is, I've seen someone try to force a Benchmade shut like it was a slipjoint! 🔪😬🤯😱🤭💩
It’s most likely product of generations of fuddery. No hate to slip joints, I love me a Case XX, which as a matter of fact I just saw a CV natural bone trapper that I would love to have. That’s why I think it’s a good idea for everyone to learn how to operate all types of knives and guns too.
@@appalachiangunman9589 Couldn't agree with you more! I also hold the same principal towards cars- although manual transmissions are a dying breed, I was raised and believe *everyone* should at least learn/know *how* to drive a stick. If thats the only vehicle available in an emergency, that knowledge could be the difference btwn life and death. Knowledge is power, people! 😁
@@appalachiangunman9589 LOL Oh i feel were you're comin' from. FWIW In MY experience, people who learn to change gears on a minibike/dirtbike/quad etc usually pick it up a lot faster, something less intimidating(?) that establishes the same kind of applicable knowledge (how a clutch works, etc.)
Bro.. How many times have you handed someone a knife (specifically one on ball bearings) and instead of just opening the knife like a normal human they do this HUGE FULL ARM SWING and slam the knife open and you low key lose your mind for a moment. Am I the only one?
Bro. I just got a crk inkosi and handed it to my buddy and he just wrist flipped it as hard as he could. I cringed so hard lol. It was right after I got done explaining thst it was not meant to be flicked open smh
I think the last time I handed my ZT to a knife-ignorant person they just tried to grab the blade between their fingers to open it and was totally unaware of the flipper tab.
I left my titantium frame lock knife on the counter one day. While I was at work my mother in law opened the knife to cut some packing straps. She didn't know how to close it so she ended up throwing out the knife in the garbage entirely. I didn't "hand" her the knife but goes to show how people cannot figure stuff out on their own. Still hurts to think about this. Lol
Handed my brother in law my new protech auto and I explained “hold on to this it’s got a lot of kick” it fired and it didn’t fly out of his hand but he damn near did drop it and I saw my life flash before my eyes. I have yet to hand him my mirror polished TR-4 lol
Same EXACT thing happened just recently to me. Luckily, the person and the knife were fine. Last time I ever hand one of my knives to anyone. They can use one of my cheaper EDCs I have on hand.
My boss asked to borrow a knife so I handed him my brand new benchmade. He immediately destroyed the tip cutting weeds on the asphalt. Now whenever anyone asks to borrow a knife I ask what they’re using it for and usually make the cut for them. I’ve also had people aggressively slam open expensive knives when they don’t deploy fully on the first try.
I get looked at crazy when I ask what they are going to cut. Then I’ll decide what I’m handing them. Most likely I’ll hand them my old box cutter with replaceable blades because that’s easier to use and replace the blade than spend time with the stones and strop to fix my edge
Thanks for amending some of the thing you had previously said about bali's! There were still a few point I didn't totally agree with, but I also had never considered any situations where mobility and movement is very limited (like a ladder) so I definitely can agree on that point. If I have to hand off a bali (in a not "ladder" situation), I tell people to open and close them like a multitool. It's the safest and fastest way to explain the mechanism of deployment imo
The most common mistake i see people make when they handle a frame lock is, they try to close the blade at the same time as they push the lock bar across. Then the blade obviously flings shut onto their thumb.
16:40 this sentiment i think applies to all enthusiasts of any genre. I don't have expensive knives but when people ask for my Rubik's cube and then mishandled it the whole explanation about enthusiast gear sucks when someone's already salty.
I feel this so much. I hate when people try to mimic fast turning and just end up damn near breaking the thing. Side note, didn't really expect to find a cubing enthusiast here lol.
Never loan any knife you remotely care about. Ever. Even if they understand the mechanism, they’re sure to do something stupid with it. I keep meaning to get an Opinel as a secondary carry for the inevitability of being asked.
My dads only experience with folding knives was friction folders. One day he needed to borrow my frame lock for something and couldn’t work out how to close it. Resorted to bashing the spine onto a solid surface. Still didn’t close so I took it from him haha… no damage done fortunately… another time someone needed to cut cable ties and gaff tape from lighting trusses after an event and knew I carried tools.. knife came back as dull as a bit of rebar. Just this week at work someone tried twisting the pliers tips off my leatherman wave in an attempt to remove a circlip. Didn’t think to utilise correct mechanical advantage and grip by rotating the other way. Blows my mind how people don’t think sometimes
I once handed a CRKT Pilar to a buddy at work. He could not figure out to close it.. what does he do? Says screw it and throws it down in the rocks and sand!! Last time I handed him a knife.
No offense, but you need a new friend lol. “Can I borrow your car bro” few minutes later... “I drove your car into a lake because I couldn’t figure out how to turn it off”
Carried the Kershaw leek for a long time, love the knife, hate having to explain it every time I hand it to someone because it’s been dropped too many times
I rarely hand my knives to people who are not knife enthusiasts or professional chefs because they have no idea what a sharp knife is. Most people expect the knife to be a slightly sharper butter knife, like the knife in their kitchen, and as a result would cut themselves.
Getting into the knife world means I've started to actually sharpen some kitchen knives that we have. And even though my dad knows it's sharp because he congratulated me on how sharp it is (it's really not, I'm a novice sharpener at best, they just have no idea what a 'sharp' knife is like) he still managed to plonk it in the sink edge up
Smooth knives are also a bit tricky for people with no experience. I gave my 940 to my friend to check out and he SLAMMED it open. I stood there like "bro wtf?". "what do you mean?" and he hands me his budget no-name folder. That thing opened so difficultly that i realised that he had no idea i knife could be opened simply usiing your thumb
I carry a Gerber Dime as my backup. I find that when people ask for a knife they often what to pry (not cut) something. So having an inexpensive multi tool with pliers and a flat head screwdriver allows me to be helpful while protecting my much more valuable knife.
The weird part is they can't open frame locks, but they're also more likely to hurt themselves trying to open and close a slip joint if they're not used to it. I just open it and close it for them now.
Many years ago, I let a friend borrow my Gerber Paraframe (one of the first knives I bought with my own money). They tried to *push* the bar, like you mentioned. It ended up so bent that I couldnt get it unlocked to close it. When I finally got it unlocked, the damage made it so it never locked correctly after that. Now I carry at least 2-3 knives - a small fixed blade and/or a 3-4" folder for myself, and a small slip joint and/or utility knife to lend out. And I *always* ask why exactly they need the knife.
I handled my first OTF at work the other day; it was a customers ultratech from 2014 i didnt push hard enough of the slide to open it so it never fired; the customer said keep going; i got it to fire then i just didn’t even try to close it. He laughed and said “It takes a moment to get used too.” He was really nice; he liked my TR-5 i had though.
I have a Bradford neck knife. If It’s on me at work I’ll give it to a coworker in need ahead of a folding knife. Incredibly hard to break and they treat it like a tool instead of a toy. Which can happen if they start playing with a folding knife
I just moved into my new residence and have been unpacking a LOT of boxes. The deconstruct tool of choice has been the old fashion box cutter. The blue recycle bin is packed to the gills and the blade is just now ready to be exchanged. Not bad for a couple of $, and if I accidently cut into cement it's no big deal. Slice on.
This common; it can be said for cars, motorcycles, airplanes, tools and numerous other items ; (firearms). Plainly said, incompetence abounds. Reminds me of telling people the knife is extremely sharp. What do they do, they run their finger over the blade and find out they’re now bleeding.
My secondary knife is a little quiet carry bandit on my keychain. Small and inoffensive to non-knife people but still sharp enough to do most tasks in a pinch.
Had a friend press the wrong way on a framelock I was showing them last weekend. Had to show them twice before they figured it out. I was amazed at how hard of a time they were having with it.
This is half the reason I like to carry a slip joint. They're not intimidating, and everyone can operate one. It's not going to do anything they don't expect, so they're probably not going to drop it or hurt themselves with it. And about the OTF thing. I gifted my best friend a bounty hunter exocet for his birthday because he LOVES Star Wars and has a few knives of his own. Later that night he sent me a video of himself firing it pressed directly into his arm.... It actually didn't cut him that badly, but it definitely poked a hole.
When i ran a business employees knew I always had a knife so if they needed to open a box they sometimes asked to borrow one. I usually carried a simple slip joint too hand them and kept my complicated one for my use only.
I’m not brand new I’ve known about a lot of stuff for awhile the only thing I’m not familiar with is blade steals. I walked into a knife store for the first time yesterday and handled just about everything no trouble and they handed me Microtechs, Benchmades, Spidercos, a pro tech godfather, and even their personal knives that are custom and 3k plus. The only difficulty I had was with the switch on microtechs(surprisingly hard to actuate especially to close) and a few things that ran on fosfer bronze that hasn’t yet been worn in.
Lol i work on a truck and i keep an auto claymore in the back in case i forget my EDC or something. Anyway when my partner picked up the claymore for the first time and hit the button he was actually above me, as i was awaiting move the boxes he hands me. That knife went flying out of his hand and right past my head. Crazy how out the side is probably the most dangerous lock and an OTF is the safest
I don't quite understand this concept of cheap knives being ok for someone to borrow then break or abuse. If I borrow a tool from someone and break it, I replace it. Of course, this can become an issue with anything higher priced than say, a Civivi, because it's not right to assume they will implicitly understand that the plain-looking knife they just borrowed is actually a $1500 Shirogorov (or even $200 Spyderco). You can warn them but that brings back the 'you paid WHAT??' problem. Interesting topic for sure. It's also worth mentioning that if the laws you live under are a bit dicey around knives, carrying an extra to loan people could be seen in an extremely bad light. Thanks for the video as always MC!
Mc, a balisong is literally just an adult fidget spinner. It’s not the most optimal carry. However it’s just nice to have/carry for someone like me a “balisong flipper” and someone with adhd.
It definitely has the fidget factor more than any other folder, for me there's plenty of practicality as well. I find them more convenient than a lockback
Before I moved, I attended church with a fellow Texan who loved knives. I handed him my newly acquired Kershaw Launch 5. I went into great detail about the necessity of holding on to it because it opened quite forcefully. He nodded his head and said that he had it. It ended up on the floor. The floor didn't open and swallow him up, nor did the heavens open and lightning strike him. Your video oozes truth from the pixels.
I find the OTF double action the least reliable to use. If you’re cutting boxes with tape they end up getting sticky and not firing reliably. Carrying every day they can get debris in them and then might not fire in a self defense situation.
It's a shame OTF autos are illegal in most states (and most countries worldwide). If they're well made with a more standard blade instead of a tactical dagger style, they _ARE_ practical. Also, they are literally the safest knives around. Period. Safer than a fixed blade, because 100% of the blade in covered in the handle and cannot accidentally rip through or fall out as with a sheathed knife. Second, the user never, ever, has to put their fingers in the path of the blade/edge when opening or closing. Third, the DA style are designed to derail and stop moving as soon as they hit anything while being fired -- it's not at all like Hollywood portrays where an OTF punches through someone's neck, or steel plate, or whatever _as it's being fired._ In reality you might get a small cut when the blade derails, but that's it. And finally due to the stiff switch design and placement, it's virtually impossible to accidentally fire an OTF. Unlike conventional switchblades they don't need a safety, and even many normal folders can occasionally come open in a pocket... Not OTFs. Think about it. They are the safest design of pocket knife, period... Hell they were literally originally designed and marketed as safety knives due to those factors; and had been first invented to accommodate veterans, the disabled, and anyone without the use of both hands. Unfortunately all politicians (and Hollywood) sees when they look at an OTF is an evil, scary "assault knife" that has no purpose to exist except murdering people. Sigh. It's all so tiresome...
I've handed a liner lock knife to someone, one which has an interchangeable blade feature. Somehow, when they want to open/close it, they tend to somehow disassemble it instead
I'm always reluctant to hand my spyderco dragonfly to other people for the simple fact the blade is so thin. I'm worried someone will pry/screwdrive with it and the blade tip will snap.
I have a gen 1 halftrack that has (on several similar occasions) has been forced into 100% lockup in an attempt to do the opposite lol. it's frustrating. gonna post a video on that for my tiktok. it's adequatemedia
My mom does not always understand how to close liner locks, frame locks, or back locks. At work I use a folding box cutter because it’s a beater, you can change the blade. I use it to cut burrs off metal, scrape stickers. Not nice knife stuff.
Utility knife? lol, I use a gerber prybrid all the time at sportsman's warehouse to get around HR rules, it also fit's the job well. I use the pry bar end to pull out those heavy duty staples and the line cutter to take off price tags without damaging merchandise. I also like the replaceable blade because I will use the prybrid to cut through things that I wouldn't usually want cut through with a regular pocket knife (ex. radiator hose when I was swapping it out on my 4runner, didn't know if it had any metal in it). It's usually my backup because of those purposes. I can also see it as a loaner because of the inexpensive price($16 because of my employee discount) and it's essentially compact box cutters.
My dad, one of the most brilliant people I have ever known, a mechanical engineer for multiple decades, still tries to push in frame locks the wrong way when I hand him one.
Hahaha... The funny part is that he is a mechanical engineer with relevant experience! Your story reminds me of a funny cartoon I saw where a guy is pushing a door with a clear sign to pull open.
@@kahuna1247 I believe you're referring to a Gary Larson 'Far Side' cartoon, and the door is on a building marked something like "Midvale, School for the Gifted".
Catching up on all your videos. Digging em all! I'm always super nervous handing off any folding knife, regardless of lock style. I hand off small fixed blades only, CRKT minimalist cleaver is a great safe one. I don't like giving out knives with points either 😂 If I don't have that one I'll have my Esse Isula II, Paracord wrapped and it usually starts a small conversation. Both of those are fun and a little bit different so people are not intimidated. Even in an office setting in silicon valley the minimalist doesn't make waves, since it's so little it's seen as "cute".
you be surpirsed what reactions i get when i hand off my minimalist cleaver...... its tiny but it looks brutal..... i have owned about every minimalist and have given sooooo many away..... no lie i have probably given away 15-20 of them..... almost all my female friends have them to cary with them when they run or jog or do any kind of outdoor trail activities
I have carried a folding box cutter to be used as the abused knife. Not liking the thickness of most box cutters, I search for the thinst I could find, and found some that are not much bigger than the blade they carry for dirt cheap prices
For potentially dangerous items like knives, when one carries an EDC that's in any way complicted or otherwise not immediately self explanatory, IMHO it becomes mandatory to have a small, simple, and inhexpensive "beater" for the sole purpose of loaning! In the bad old days before the "modern knife" form factor took over, I was always VERY careful about putting my Buck or Puma into the hands of anyone who looked, acted, or smelled like a neophyte! Still good advice, methinks!
This video couldn't be more true I have had friends get confused with liner locks my dad dropped my ludt after I told him to hold onto it tight this is not knife related but just the other day I was helping a friend disassemble his 1911 that he just bought I would show him exactly how to take it apart and he would say okay I got it and then struggle the whole time doing it to the point where he got mad and just started banging on it so I took it from him and disassembled it and put it back together myself I also keep a Leatherman Micra in my watch pocket for inexperienced people
My sister sometimes needs one of my knives and you wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve explained that there is a lock to it on the inside, and explained how it works.
Really get you with the frame locks. Handed a buddy of mine a Hinderer Jurassic (w/ the lanyard loop backspacer). He musta spent 2-3 minutes pulling on the lanyard loop thinking that was the way to release to lock.
I am just starting to collect more interesting knives and I handed someone my cheap edc that I got off amazon. An assisted opener. I didn't even think twice about it and he couldn't even get it open since there were no thumb studs so he tried to open it in a way that would have hurt him if it kicked out... I learned something that day.
Yep, I handed my para 3 to a guy at work cuz he asked if he could cut open a few boxes with it. He handed it back with tape gunk inside the knife and somehow damaged the edge at the tip
man i carry a pm2 and even that ive seen people struggle. i hate handing any of my knives to people so i bought a box cutter so when somebody asks me if i have a knife at work i just hand them that. not handing off my custom pm2 anymore lmao
I regularly carry and use a fde Adamas full size folder. It is the most expensive knife I own that I use regularly. I have a few other collector knives but i do not carry them regularly.
If I ever get to the point where my pocket knife is so nice, that I have to start carrying two pocket knives, I'm going to have to completely re-evaluate my life lol ;)
The Victorinox Cadet for the win for me, always carry one just as a backup, non threatening option or to let other people use it. Simple, cheap, versatile and a very slim carry profile.
I learned this the hard way quickly loaned my benchmade mini freek to a former co-worker and he then proceeded to snap the tip off in a matter of seconds !! Never again have I loaned out my knives more expensive than like 30 bucks .
I keep a lil spyderco Ladybug in H1 on my keychain as a secondary blade to my tiny victorinox for just the reasons you speak of. The steel is tough, is easy to resharpen after abuse and I don't have to worry about the closing mechanism or corrosion. The spine is relatively thick and it is a saber grind so it is relatively resilient to other people's abuse. It is also small and not terribly scary to people not used to knives. I wouldn't hand my tiny victorinox to someone for it's blade as it is thin and doesn't have a locking mechanism. In contrast, my Delica in damascus or the one I have in 20 cv are for my use alone or shown far away from anything they might try to test them on.
I have high end balisongs.....framelocks.....autos.....you name it. I have been collecting for quite some time. The knife EVERYONE hurts themselves using even after explained is the framelock. It blows my mind. Same thing with my dad by the way. He just can't use them. Also - I even explain not being able to use your thumb meat to aggressively on the frame lock side or it won't open. Then they do.
I’ve had multiple friends try to slip joint close locking knives. So now I usually carry a slip joint too because people seem to know what to do with them
I had two people trying to close a knife I handed off to one of them recently. I was shocked when they tried to close it like a friction folder after I had explained the frame lock. Blew my mind.
I never hand my knives to anyone. People are, careless, clueless, clumsy and don’t care, oh and incredibly ignorant. My knives are all personal to me and have been chosen for uses and reasons that means something to me. I appreciate everyone of them and only I use them.
I have to say that a liner lock isn't something intuitive. First time I had one I didn't notice the mechanism either, though I didn't try to use excessive force like a neanderthal.
I like handing off knives in the $35 - $100 range. That's where the good knives start showing up but not so expensive that I mind if they get ruined. The Civivi Praxis is the perfect knife to hand off because it's a capable design with mediocre materials. Liner locks are pretty common and flipper openers on an unassisted mechanism are intuitive and fun to open. The knives in my collection I get the most nervous about handing off are my khukuris. They're all fixed blades but there's a specific way to unsheath them. Its all about finger placement. When I see their fingers wrap around the edged side if the scabbard I cringe. And those same people also don't swing it correctly, where they overswing and just barely miss chopping into their own leg or their rib cage or their other arm or me. I am annoying with my safety spiel for khukuris but its necessary. Speaking of which, have you ever handled an authentic Nepalese khukuri MC?
Best case scenario they ask you to open/close it for them I was in that exact situation some time ago long story short someone needed a knife to cut tape i let them use my knife and they asked me to open and close it for them
I agree with everything you said about balisongs and this is coming from someone who does actually EDC a balisong The only benefit they have other than cool factor over other knives is that when opened the blade has no blade play the way you get with other folding knives
@@olrubberface not in the slightest A manual folder is by far the best EDC knife anything else is a gimmick that doesn't mean you shouldn't EDC them but you are compromising on a bunch of factors for said gimmick
I've had a lot of people go to try and cut something that shouldn't be cut, and react to stoping them with not understanding. when I tell them the price they ask should ingrown be able to cut this if it was so much money
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I understand your pain brother,,can you do Cold Steel Kudu locking mechanism, I have heard people have no clue how to disengage them and fold it 😂 BTW I love ❤️ Kudu and your honest video..👍👍👍
"Expensive" is the best reason not to hand it to anyone else..
100%
If I'm carrying a $300 knife (expensive for me) and someone at work asks if I have a knife on me (they know I always do) I'll just say nah I left it at home today 😂
@@AudibleVisibIe Yeah, that could work or tell them that you don't lend out you underwear, either. hahaha
expensive or not they don't care, if i'm borrowing something $10 or $500 knife or whatever, i'm using it like it's worth a million dollars because it's not mine, it's simple but some people don't understand it
@@virtualvirtual2362 The problem, even when someone has that respectful mindset, is that they may not know that what they are doing is going to damage the knife or even that someone might care about the type of damage they may cause. I wouldn't loan anything the borrower isn't familiar with.
@@snafuequals that's something that i didn't think of, for me if i'm borrowing a box cutter is because i need to cut stuff for example the insulation on a cable and not to use it as a screwdriver lol, the right tool for the job, yes i agree with not giving unusual tools to someone that doesn't know how it works they can injure themselves or break the tool
We typically always have a slip joint for this very reason. Slip joints are basic to operate, have a half stop, and they just don’t need much explanation. Plus, most slips have a super small footprint in your pocket so they’re easy to bring along, and they aren’t menacing in mixed company.
Me too.
Exactly, although sometimes I carry a small lockback instead
Good points. All convincing reasons to justify buying a nice new gent carry 😂
I started asking “what for” when asked for a knife 10-15 years ago.. I was working a lot of music festivals. This usually involved camping and knives tended to get abused pretty bad. I’d recently upgraded from to usual kershaws to a stainless spyderco dragonfly.. so $80 for a knife still felt like a lot. Anyway, someone asked for a knife, I hand them my nice dragonfly, and they immediately start trying to saw a can in half!.. not even a soda can, but a thick bean type can.. now I know that this can be done relatively safely for the knife but nah., this guy was literally just stabbing, sawing, prying, whatever to get this can in half. Why? I don’t know.
But I’ve always just asked “what for?” Since then. I even had an old beat up Kershaw scallion which I would’ve let him go to town with!
I feel you there. I had an otf toy knife and had someone totally fuck the spear point by stabbing it into a wood hand rail at church. I now carry 2 knives. The knife I'm using and a 2 dollar knife I got on blade HQ to hand others
Speaking to the single action OTF’s. We saw 3 big knife guys struggle with the Heretic Hydra. They couldn’t figure out the swinging trap door over the button and then how to recharge it.
The more moving parts a knife has the more people want to touch it.
My wife doesn’t like my Troodon, but she is smart. She opened my para 3 and looked at knife for a second, analyzing how the lock works and closes it or my old Bugout. And my Malice. While my stepdad and other men that carries a knife take my frame lock or para 3 and presses down into the lockbar or compression lock like it’s a damn button. Like are you not seeing what I’m seeing…
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It seems like is a common thing. Happened to me with a good friend of mine. Same thing
You have wife that doesn’t mind knives??? You are lucky 🍀 Bro 😎
I almost always have several knives with or on me at any give time, partially for this very reason. Usually have whatever *I'M* wanting to carry myself, and a cheaper simple loaner/beater. As common as the axis/able-style lock is, I've seen someone try to force a Benchmade shut like it was a slipjoint! 🔪😬🤯😱🤭💩
It’s most likely product of generations of fuddery. No hate to slip joints, I love me a Case XX, which as a matter of fact I just saw a CV natural bone trapper that I would love to have. That’s why I think it’s a good idea for everyone to learn how to operate all types of knives and guns too.
@@appalachiangunman9589 Couldn't agree with you more! I also hold the same principal towards cars- although manual transmissions are a dying breed, I was raised and believe *everyone* should at least learn/know *how* to drive a stick. If thats the only vehicle available in an emergency, that knowledge could be the difference btwn life and death. Knowledge is power, people! 😁
@@superrad1659 I’ve practically begged my wife to learn how to drive my six-speed manual Civic and she refuses to try.
@@appalachiangunman9589 LOL Oh i feel were you're comin' from. FWIW In MY experience, people who learn to change gears on a minibike/dirtbike/quad etc usually pick it up a lot faster, something less intimidating(?) that establishes the same kind of applicable knowledge (how a clutch works, etc.)
me too
Ahh updated list, gotta love the standard "Hehe Cool, wait how do you close this?" That seems to happen with any standard liner lock
Bro.. How many times have you handed someone a knife (specifically one on ball bearings) and instead of just opening the knife like a normal human they do this HUGE FULL ARM SWING and slam the knife open and you low key lose your mind for a moment. Am I the only one?
Bro. I just got a crk inkosi and handed it to my buddy and he just wrist flipped it as hard as he could. I cringed so hard lol. It was right after I got done explaining thst it was not meant to be flicked open smh
Bro, bro bro. Dude, bro.
I think the last time I handed my ZT to a knife-ignorant person they just tried to grab the blade between their fingers to open it and was totally unaware of the flipper tab.
@@appalachiangunman9589 happens to me all the time
I left my titantium frame lock knife on the counter one day. While I was at work my mother in law opened the knife to cut some packing straps. She didn't know how to close it so she ended up throwing out the knife in the garbage entirely. I didn't "hand" her the knife but goes to show how people cannot figure stuff out on their own. Still hurts to think about this. Lol
Did you atleast saved it from the dumbster? That's a very expensive folder mate. 😔
Noooo!
Handed my brother in law my new protech auto and I explained “hold on to this it’s got a lot of kick” it fired and it didn’t fly out of his hand but he damn near did drop it and I saw my life flash before my eyes. I have yet to hand him my mirror polished TR-4 lol
Same EXACT thing happened just recently to me. Luckily, the person and the knife were fine. Last time I ever hand one of my knives to anyone. They can use one of my cheaper EDCs I have on hand.
"I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you."
I’m totally going to use this!! So funny man.
Yes! People I interact with are going to hear this phrase when applicable from now on. Thanks for that, and thanks in advance from them lol
My boss asked to borrow a knife so I handed him my brand new benchmade. He immediately destroyed the tip cutting weeds on the asphalt. Now whenever anyone asks to borrow a knife I ask what they’re using it for and usually make the cut for them. I’ve also had people aggressively slam open expensive knives when they don’t deploy fully on the first try.
Sorry to hear that about the Benchmade, that sucks.
I get looked at crazy when I ask what they are going to cut. Then I’ll decide what I’m handing them. Most likely I’ll hand them my old box cutter with replaceable blades because that’s easier to use and replace the blade than spend time with the stones and strop to fix my edge
It's wonderful to see someone else ask this question.
Thanks for amending some of the thing you had previously said about bali's! There were still a few point I didn't totally agree with, but I also had never considered any situations where mobility and movement is very limited (like a ladder) so I definitely can agree on that point. If I have to hand off a bali (in a not "ladder" situation), I tell people to open and close them like a multitool. It's the safest and fastest way to explain the mechanism of deployment imo
The most common mistake i see people make when they handle a frame lock is,
they try to close the blade at the same time as they push the lock bar across.
Then the blade obviously flings shut onto their thumb.
16:40 this sentiment i think applies to all enthusiasts of any genre. I don't have expensive knives but when people ask for my Rubik's cube and then mishandled it the whole explanation about enthusiast gear sucks when someone's already salty.
I feel this so much. I hate when people try to mimic fast turning and just end up damn near breaking the thing. Side note, didn't really expect to find a cubing enthusiast here lol.
This was the first video I watched from your channel and you have helped me learn a lot about knives thank you and good to see you updating this video
Yo same. Love to see the intro vid getting updated
I usually carry multiple knives for this very reason. A medium-sized liner lock is my go-to hand-off knife.
Never loan any knife you remotely care about. Ever.
Even if they understand the mechanism, they’re sure to do something stupid with it.
I keep meaning to get an Opinel as a secondary carry for the inevitability of being asked.
My dads only experience with folding knives was friction folders. One day he needed to borrow my frame lock for something and couldn’t work out how to close it. Resorted to bashing the spine onto a solid surface. Still didn’t close so I took it from him haha… no damage done fortunately… another time someone needed to cut cable ties and gaff tape from lighting trusses after an event and knew I carried tools.. knife came back as dull as a bit of rebar.
Just this week at work someone tried twisting the pliers tips off my leatherman wave in an attempt to remove a circlip. Didn’t think to utilise correct mechanical advantage and grip by rotating the other way. Blows my mind how people don’t think sometimes
I once handed a CRKT Pilar to a buddy at work. He could not figure out to close it.. what does he do? Says screw it and throws it down in the rocks and sand!! Last time I handed him a knife.
No offense, but you need a new friend lol. “Can I borrow your car bro” few minutes later... “I drove your car into a lake because I couldn’t figure out how to turn it off”
that's exactly what my dad and my friend did with my zt 0562 aggressively push in on the lock but for some reason he instantly understood a liner lock
Carried the Kershaw leek for a long time, love the knife, hate having to explain it every time I hand it to someone because it’s been dropped too many times
I rarely hand my knives to people who are not knife enthusiasts or professional chefs because they have no idea what a sharp knife is. Most people expect the knife to be a slightly sharper butter knife, like the knife in their kitchen, and as a result would cut themselves.
Getting into the knife world means I've started to actually sharpen some kitchen knives that we have. And even though my dad knows it's sharp because he congratulated me on how sharp it is (it's really not, I'm a novice sharpener at best, they just have no idea what a 'sharp' knife is like) he still managed to plonk it in the sink edge up
Smooth knives are also a bit tricky for people with no experience. I gave my 940 to my friend to check out and he SLAMMED it open. I stood there like "bro wtf?". "what do you mean?" and he hands me his budget no-name folder. That thing opened so difficultly that i realised that he had no idea i knife could be opened simply usiing your thumb
I carry a Gerber Dime as my backup. I find that when people ask for a knife they often what to pry (not cut) something. So having an inexpensive multi tool with pliers and a flat head screwdriver allows me to be helpful while protecting my much more valuable knife.
The weird part is they can't open frame locks, but they're also more likely to hurt themselves trying to open and close a slip joint if they're not used to it. I just open it and close it for them now.
Many years ago, I let a friend borrow my Gerber Paraframe (one of the first knives I bought with my own money). They tried to *push* the bar, like you mentioned. It ended up so bent that I couldnt get it unlocked to close it. When I finally got it unlocked, the damage made it so it never locked correctly after that.
Now I carry at least 2-3 knives - a small fixed blade and/or a 3-4" folder for myself, and a small slip joint and/or utility knife to lend out. And I *always* ask why exactly they need the knife.
Glad you learned early 🤣
Your first video (and Lugermonger’s) inspired me to make my own video when I first started my channel. I love to see this update video!!! 🙌🇺🇸🏝🦈🔪
Non knife people are why I always carry some type of utility knife.
Such as Stanley quickslide or Gerber prybrid.
I handled my first OTF at work the other day; it was a customers ultratech from 2014 i didnt push hard enough of the slide to open it so it never fired; the customer said keep going; i got it to fire then i just didn’t even try to close it. He laughed and said “It takes a moment to get used too.” He was really nice; he liked my TR-5 i had though.
I have a Bradford neck knife. If It’s on me at work I’ll give it to a coworker in need ahead of a folding knife. Incredibly hard to break and they treat it like a tool instead of a toy. Which can happen if they start playing with a folding knife
I just moved into my new residence and have been unpacking a LOT of boxes. The deconstruct tool of choice has been the old fashion box cutter. The blue recycle bin is packed to the gills and the blade is just now ready to be exchanged. Not bad for a couple of $, and if I accidently cut into cement it's no big deal. Slice on.
Cool list. Honorable mentions should be the AD15 and Buck Marksman both have unique locking mechanisms.
This common; it can be said for cars, motorcycles, airplanes, tools and numerous other items ; (firearms). Plainly said, incompetence abounds. Reminds me of telling people the knife is extremely sharp. What do they do, they run their finger over the blade and find out they’re now bleeding.
My secondary knife is a little quiet carry bandit on my keychain. Small and inoffensive to non-knife people but still sharp enough to do most tasks in a pinch.
Had a friend press the wrong way on a framelock I was showing them last weekend. Had to show them twice before they figured it out. I was amazed at how hard of a time they were having with it.
This is half the reason I like to carry a slip joint. They're not intimidating, and everyone can operate one. It's not going to do anything they don't expect, so they're probably not going to drop it or hurt themselves with it.
And about the OTF thing. I gifted my best friend a bounty hunter exocet for his birthday because he LOVES Star Wars and has a few knives of his own. Later that night he sent me a video of himself firing it pressed directly into his arm.... It actually didn't cut him that badly, but it definitely poked a hole.
When i ran a business employees knew I always had a knife so if they needed to open a box they sometimes asked to borrow one. I usually carried a simple slip joint too hand them and kept my complicated one for my use only.
100% on frame locks....its insane.
I’m not brand new I’ve known about a lot of stuff for awhile the only thing I’m not familiar with is blade steals. I walked into a knife store for the first time yesterday and handled just about everything no trouble and they handed me Microtechs, Benchmades, Spidercos, a pro tech godfather, and even their personal knives that are custom and 3k plus. The only difficulty I had was with the switch on microtechs(surprisingly hard to actuate especially to close) and a few things that ran on fosfer bronze that hasn’t yet been worn in.
That bit on handing the balli up the ladder had me cracking up 😂
I open the knife for the person that I'm handing it to. And close it for them while explaining how it works. Avoids 90% of issues and is quick.
Lol i work on a truck and i keep an auto claymore in the back in case i forget my EDC or something. Anyway when my partner picked up the claymore for the first time and hit the button he was actually above me, as i was awaiting move the boxes he hands me. That knife went flying out of his hand and right past my head.
Crazy how out the side is probably the most dangerous lock and an OTF is the safest
I don't quite understand this concept of cheap knives being ok for someone to borrow then break or abuse. If I borrow a tool from someone and break it, I replace it. Of course, this can become an issue with anything higher priced than say, a Civivi, because it's not right to assume they will implicitly understand that the plain-looking knife they just borrowed is actually a $1500 Shirogorov (or even $200 Spyderco). You can warn them but that brings back the 'you paid WHAT??' problem. Interesting topic for sure. It's also worth mentioning that if the laws you live under are a bit dicey around knives, carrying an extra to loan people could be seen in an extremely bad light. Thanks for the video as always MC!
Mc, a balisong is literally just an adult fidget spinner. It’s not the most optimal carry. However it’s just nice to have/carry for someone like me a “balisong flipper” and someone with adhd.
Yeah it may not always be optimal, but it can definitely be a fun edc carry.
It definitely has the fidget factor more than any other folder, for me there's plenty of practicality as well. I find them more convenient than a lockback
Before I moved, I attended church with a fellow Texan who loved knives. I handed him my newly acquired Kershaw Launch 5. I went into great detail about the necessity of holding on to it because it opened quite forcefully. He nodded his head and said that he had it. It ended up on the floor. The floor didn't open and swallow him up, nor did the heavens open and lightning strike him. Your video oozes truth from the pixels.
I carry a Benchmade bugout and PM2 for my use if someone wants to "borrow" a knife I hand them the Gerber Prybrid..utility blade and prybar combo
Finally, the sequel to the greatest knife video of all time. (No joke part 1 got me into your channel)
People "do not follow instructions" is the root cause of Drill Sergeants yelling at recruits.
I find the OTF double action the least reliable to use. If you’re cutting boxes with tape they end up getting sticky and not firing reliably. Carrying every day they can get debris in them and then might not fire in a self defense situation.
This is something that I never considered. I've never been a fan of OTFs anyway, and things like this solidify my thinking on the matter.
It's a shame OTF autos are illegal in most states (and most countries worldwide). If they're well made with a more standard blade instead of a tactical dagger style, they _ARE_ practical. Also, they are literally the safest knives around. Period. Safer than a fixed blade, because 100% of the blade in covered in the handle and cannot accidentally rip through or fall out as with a sheathed knife. Second, the user never, ever, has to put their fingers in the path of the blade/edge when opening or closing. Third, the DA style are designed to derail and stop moving as soon as they hit anything while being fired -- it's not at all like Hollywood portrays where an OTF punches through someone's neck, or steel plate, or whatever _as it's being fired._ In reality you might get a small cut when the blade derails, but that's it. And finally due to the stiff switch design and placement, it's virtually impossible to accidentally fire an OTF. Unlike conventional switchblades they don't need a safety, and even many normal folders can occasionally come open in a pocket... Not OTFs. Think about it. They are the safest design of pocket knife, period... Hell they were literally originally designed and marketed as safety knives due to those factors; and had been first invented to accommodate veterans, the disabled, and anyone without the use of both hands.
Unfortunately all politicians (and Hollywood) sees when they look at an OTF is an evil, scary "assault knife" that has no purpose to exist except murdering people. Sigh. It's all so tiresome...
I've handed a liner lock knife to someone, one which has an interchangeable blade feature. Somehow, when they want to open/close it, they tend to somehow disassemble it instead
I'm always reluctant to hand my spyderco dragonfly to other people for the simple fact the blade is so thin. I'm worried someone will pry/screwdrive with it and the blade tip will snap.
Mom: Son let me borrow your knife to open a letter.
Me: *Handles her my Timber Rattler Western Outlaw Bowie Knife
I have a gen 1 halftrack that has (on several similar occasions) has been forced into 100% lockup in an attempt to do the opposite lol. it's frustrating.
gonna post a video on that for my tiktok. it's adequatemedia
My mom does not always understand how to close liner locks, frame locks, or back locks.
At work I use a folding box cutter because it’s a beater, you can change the blade. I use it to cut burrs off metal, scrape stickers. Not nice knife stuff.
Utility knife? lol, I use a gerber prybrid all the time at sportsman's warehouse to get around HR rules, it also fit's the job well. I use the pry bar end to pull out those heavy duty staples and the line cutter to take off price tags without damaging merchandise. I also like the replaceable blade because I will use the prybrid to cut through things that I wouldn't usually want cut through with a regular pocket knife (ex. radiator hose when I was swapping it out on my 4runner, didn't know if it had any metal in it). It's usually my backup because of those purposes. I can also see it as a loaner because of the inexpensive price($16 because of my employee discount) and it's essentially compact box cutters.
My dad, one of the most brilliant people I have ever known, a mechanical engineer for multiple decades, still tries to push in frame locks the wrong way when I hand him one.
Hahaha... The funny part is that he is a mechanical engineer with relevant experience! Your story reminds me of a funny cartoon I saw where a guy is pushing a door with a clear sign to pull open.
@@kahuna1247 I believe you're referring to a Gary Larson 'Far Side' cartoon, and the door is on a building marked something like "Midvale, School for the Gifted".
@@jameshealy4594 Bingo! That's the one. I laugh because I'm totally guilty more times than I care to admit.
Catching up on all your videos. Digging em all! I'm always super nervous handing off any folding knife, regardless of lock style.
I hand off small fixed blades only, CRKT minimalist cleaver is a great safe one. I don't like giving out knives with points either 😂 If I don't have that one I'll have my Esse Isula II, Paracord wrapped and it usually starts a small conversation. Both of those are fun and a little bit different so people are not intimidated.
Even in an office setting in silicon valley the minimalist doesn't make waves, since it's so little it's seen as "cute".
you be surpirsed what reactions i get when i hand off my minimalist cleaver...... its tiny but it looks brutal..... i have owned about every minimalist and have given sooooo many away..... no lie i have probably given away 15-20 of them..... almost all my female friends have them to cary with them when they run or jog or do any kind of outdoor trail activities
I have carried a folding box cutter to be used as the abused knife. Not liking the thickness of most box cutters, I search for the thinst I could find, and found some that are not much bigger than the blade they carry for dirt cheap prices
Now I know why you seem to only carry small fixed blades.
For potentially dangerous items like knives, when one carries an EDC that's in any way complicted or otherwise not immediately self explanatory, IMHO it becomes mandatory to have a small, simple, and inhexpensive "beater" for the sole purpose of loaning! In the bad old days before the "modern knife" form factor took over, I was always VERY careful about putting my Buck or Puma into the hands of anyone who looked, acted, or smelled like a neophyte! Still good advice, methinks!
This video couldn't be more true I have had friends get confused with liner locks my dad dropped my ludt after I told him to hold onto it tight this is not knife related but just the other day I was helping a friend disassemble his 1911 that he just bought I would show him exactly how to take it apart and he would say okay I got it and then struggle the whole time doing it to the point where he got mad and just started banging on it so I took it from him and disassembled it and put it back together myself I also keep a Leatherman Micra in my watch pocket for inexperienced people
Hey, great idea. Now I know what to do with that buck nano bantam. If I can find it.
My sister sometimes needs one of my knives and you wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve explained that there is a lock to it on the inside, and explained how it works.
Really get you with the frame locks. Handed a buddy of mine a Hinderer Jurassic (w/ the lanyard loop backspacer). He musta spent 2-3 minutes pulling on the lanyard loop thinking that was the way to release to lock.
Cold steel used to make a folder that closed when you'd pull the lanyard
I am just starting to collect more interesting knives and I handed someone my cheap edc that I got off amazon. An assisted opener. I didn't even think twice about it and he couldn't even get it open since there were no thumb studs so he tried to open it in a way that would have hurt him if it kicked out... I learned something that day.
It’s the CRKT with the LAWKS that really screw people up if they’ve never tried to close one lol. I love that design.
I dislike that lock so much that it's in my knife drawer and hasn't seen the light of day since the day that I got it. And, it still screws ME up.
Thanks!
-"Why, It's just a knife?" *Triggered*
Your not the boss of me , I wanna carry a Bali song Lol
Yep, I handed my para 3 to a guy at work cuz he asked if he could cut open a few boxes with it. He handed it back with tape gunk inside the knife and somehow damaged the edge at the tip
man i carry a pm2 and even that ive seen people struggle. i hate handing any of my knives to people so i bought a box cutter so when somebody asks me if i have a knife at work i just hand them that. not handing off my custom pm2 anymore lmao
I regularly carry and use a fde Adamas full size folder. It is the most expensive knife I own that I use regularly. I have a few other collector knives but i do not carry them regularly.
Wow, I'm amazed that you regularly carry that knife! Nearly 8.0 ounces.
Find this interesting after I just purchased a paragon warlock (my opinion the ultimate “don’t hand to “non knife” people” knife)
If I ever get to the point where my pocket knife is so nice, that I have to start carrying two pocket knives, I'm going to have to completely re-evaluate my life lol ;)
The Victorinox Cadet for the win for me, always carry one just as a backup, non threatening option or to let other people use it. Simple, cheap, versatile and a very slim carry profile.
I'm just as protective of my screwdrivers as I am of my knives. You need to know who you're handing either over to.
Another reason not to hand someone a frame lock is if it doesn't have an over travel stop.
I learned this the hard way quickly loaned my benchmade mini freek to a former co-worker and he then proceeded to snap the tip off in a matter of seconds !! Never again have I loaned out my knives more expensive than like 30 bucks .
So glad there's a new one of this video, I've already rewatched the old one 3 times lol
I keep a lil spyderco Ladybug in H1 on my keychain as a secondary blade to my tiny victorinox for just the reasons you speak of. The steel is tough, is easy to resharpen after abuse and I don't have to worry about the closing mechanism or corrosion. The spine is relatively thick and it is a saber grind so it is relatively resilient to other people's abuse. It is also small and not terribly scary to people not used to knives. I wouldn't hand my tiny victorinox to someone for it's blade as it is thin and doesn't have a locking mechanism. In contrast, my Delica in damascus or the one I have in 20 cv are for my use alone or shown far away from anything they might try to test them on.
I have high end balisongs.....framelocks.....autos.....you name it. I have been collecting for quite some time. The knife EVERYONE hurts themselves using even after explained is the framelock. It blows my mind. Same thing with my dad by the way. He just can't use them. Also - I even explain not being able to use your thumb meat to aggressively on the frame lock side or it won't open. Then they do.
I’ve had multiple friends try to slip joint close locking knives. So now I usually carry a slip joint too because people seem to know what to do with them
Paragon Warlock is a clamshell type also one that is not given to a non-knife person
For some reason my Kershaw Cryo has baffled a few people. My Scallion with the little slide screw lock is too complicated for some.
I sorta accidentally stumbled onto this community... and yea knives are pretty cool
I had two people trying to close a knife I handed off to one of them recently. I was shocked when they tried to close it like a friction folder after I had explained the frame lock. Blew my mind.
Just left a comment on the Tuff Lite for backup on the first video ; )
I’m a fixed blade guy.. but these are some great videos:)
I never hand my knives to anyone. People are, careless, clueless, clumsy and don’t care, oh and incredibly ignorant. My knives are all personal to me and have been chosen for uses and reasons that means something to me. I appreciate everyone of them and only I use them.
I have to say that a liner lock isn't something intuitive. First time I had one I didn't notice the mechanism either, though I didn't try to use excessive force like a neanderthal.
Disclaimer game on point 👊
Usually when I hand off a liner lock as soon and I see the confusion on somebody face, I'll be like here I'll show you
2 rules I grew up with. "Right tool for the job." and "If you ain't bleedin' by the time you're done, you didn't do it right."
On the job site it has been said of me for years " if he ain't bleeding he ain't working "
I remember probably five years ago starting off in knives, I got some cheap back lock from bass pro and had no idea whatsoever how to close it.
I like handing off knives in the $35 - $100 range. That's where the good knives start showing up but not so expensive that I mind if they get ruined. The Civivi Praxis is the perfect knife to hand off because it's a capable design with mediocre materials. Liner locks are pretty common and flipper openers on an unassisted mechanism are intuitive and fun to open.
The knives in my collection I get the most nervous about handing off are my khukuris. They're all fixed blades but there's a specific way to unsheath them. Its all about finger placement. When I see their fingers wrap around the edged side if the scabbard I cringe. And those same people also don't swing it correctly, where they overswing and just barely miss chopping into their own leg or their rib cage or their other arm or me. I am annoying with my safety spiel for khukuris but its necessary.
Speaking of which, have you ever handled an authentic Nepalese khukuri MC?
Best case scenario they ask you to open/close it for them I was in that exact situation some time ago long story short someone needed a knife to cut tape i let them use my knife and they asked me to open and close it for them
thank you for crediting Lugermonger
I agree with everything you said about balisongs and this is coming from someone who does actually EDC a balisong
The only benefit they have other than cool factor over other knives is that when opened the blade has no blade play the way you get with other folding knives
Surely you jest!
@@olrubberface not in the slightest
A manual folder is by far the best EDC knife anything else is a gimmick that doesn't mean you shouldn't EDC them but you are compromising on a bunch of factors for said gimmick
@@elapidpython4378I agree about a manual folder, but not a balisong. Too many of them get loose very quickly.
I've had a lot of people go to try and cut something that shouldn't be cut, and react to stoping them with not understanding. when I tell them the price they ask should ingrown be able to cut this if it was so much money