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The Hololive EN Lore is my NEW RELIGION!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2022
- Man... This one took way longer than I thought it would! But, it's absolutely insane and lives up to the wait. This is also my longest script to date so enjoy this absolutely nuts look at the lore of Hololive English...
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Canon: Amelia somehow stole Kronii's time travel pocket watch and now Amelia is tampering with the laws of time and affecting the multi verse thus the Ame verse is born.
This is now canon even if both Ame and Kronii deny it 😂
That also makes everything being solved at the end make sense.
If time progressed as normal, we would end at the inevitable end of the Manipulator destroying the universe.
But it is said that, the only thing powerful enough to stop that from happening, would be Civilization, a concept and a power created by Humans that managed to acquire an Avatar on it's own without the power of the Four Gods.
But even like that, Kronii knows it's inevitable, as she can see what happens at the end, while IRyS believes that we cna change it if we have hope.
So, Humanity can make a change that stops the Manipulator, but it will not happen in the normal timeline.
But then, there is a single detective that digged deep into the hidden truths of the world, and managed to steal a bit of power over Time from the Avatar of Time, and the timeline that Kronii knows was completely fragmented and thrown into disarray.
The Inevitable End now is a Possible End, changed from Certainty into a Possibility, by a Searcher of Knowledge.
Don't forget Amelia's penchant for dodging, escaping, cheating, or otherwise literally outrunning death often enough that Calli's only statements on the subject were "Don't worry about it, she's still alive, isn't she?" and "I'll catch her one of these days."
Did she know?
All I remember is kroni going “how did you got THAT watch” not “MY watch” and also ame kinda denied a lot that the watch was necessary for time travel
My theory is that the watch is some kind of device that can tell where she jumps like wich timeline or what especific moment
Kronii gave the watch to Ame she just hasn't done it yet.
More to add:
- Ina's WAHtcher stream
- Mumei streams (which keep revealing more and more spicy lore around civilization)
- Fauna's Nemu reveal
Also, my reaction to your video is both "holy shit, meds" and "holy shit, I'm not going to take my meds ever again."
And Kiara's 3rd Debut, the German debut
-Bae's key
-Haachama applies for Hololive EN gen 2 auditions (there is a stream february 15, 2021)
also umisea, which not only reveals that JP and EN share a universe, but also shows guras true form as a giant mega shark and some of the powers ina was granted by the ancient ones.
it also reveals that gura and ina normally speak languages that are incomprehensible to modern humans, like marine and aqua, who need the help of a magical artefact to understand their speech.
Don't tell him about Ame time travel lore
I don't want to hear about cockroach ame neither
I still love how Ame just basically made that up on the spot one day on a whim and its just treated as something that's always been.
I can only imagine the suits at Cover looking at that moment and realizing how obvious of a thing it could be with her pocket watch and kicking themselves.
I hope Small Ame is a large part of the lore
Smol ame is too broken for normal people like us to know her lore
But there is also the fact that ame’s multiverse already requires several scientists to talk about the ame- kronii war. I can’t really think we can finish that discussion yet
Regarding the moon theory. Moona in lore is possessed by some kind of moon goddess who then joined hololive. The Moon is in space who is all we know sana is an apostle for the ancient ones. What animal is generally associated with the moon ? Rabbits. Pekora is the moon beast war criminal who will bring the apocalypse lol 😂
Oh god, it is all connected.
Her High Tide vid shows tentacles approaching the Moon goddess (1:24), which might be the Ancient Ones. I'm assuming they're the outside forces, hence the fight scenes? Not really sure who the red/black goopy beings are.
_Oh yes, it's all coming together._
@@kai10harpy she told Ina in a recent video that the tentacles are related to Ina in the high tide music video. Might also be why the battle ground looks like the place beyond the void
@@kai10harpy oh wow you've predicted it, moona said it on ina's birthday stream that it was really her! I didn't think the id lore could be connected w en but I guess it is now
Steve was so infatuated by Fauna he DEADASS went to go touch grass!!!!!! I'm f*cking DONE!!!! 🤣🤣😂😂😂💀💀💀💀 (Great video BTW!)
Bro, he did more than touch grass. Letting be honest.
Nah bro, he touched trees, flowers and what ever the shit he could find in the forest.
me i the past : "Mother Nature is Scary"
me now : "MOTHER NATURE IS SCARY... AND I LOVE IT" *proceed to go to forest to become saplings
I still don't trust Fauna because she clearly the daughter of papa Nurgle
Don’t tell him that kronii’s pet is technically ouro boros
the mascots makes it even harder since 2 of the mascots are divine beings, it even gets harder when you start to intertwine them to the other branches.
Jeez if the 11 members of HoloEN did this to you, JP will definitely be interesting to watch us lose our collective minds too.
Sadly, lores in gens started during third gen of jp named HoloFantasy, and it kind of diminish as the gens progress, the next big lore is holoMyth and from there, the preceeding gens have deep lores again after witnessing that fans are biting this kind of stuffs especially the overseas fans. HoloEN, HoloX, holoID 2nd and 3rd gens. But big brains creators maybe, just maybe they can make something out, lore wise from our HoloJP mems.
Can Haachama and Coco Kaine be included as Gen 0?
Not exactly, HoloEN lore is definitely the biggest ones to mess with. Most JP and ID are just simple ones like where they come from and a few extra bits of their world. Only ones I think that go a bit further are like Ayame, Choco, and Rushia also with their whole Underworld aesthetic all linking them to the same underworld academy.
EN lore, you have all members linked together in this weird undying/immortal beings world. Just going through Calli and Kiara's lore together, there's a ton of stuff that's just weird dives or intersections. Calli being this Kiara's reaper for minimum two resurrections that grounds her in the same dimension, Usual Room stuff, and Calli admitting on one of the RPG streams that tabletop RPGs are a few hundred millennia older than any human knows considering she said she used to play it as a kid reaper.
I've sunk an embarrassing amount of time looking into their lores, and EN is just an actual series-long show disguised as background knowledge.
@@VVheeli haachama has entire arcs for her lore when streaming and driven by fan submissions. From Seiso Haato to the chaotic Haachama taking over. Then a tug of war between the two. A decapitation later and a lot of her content deleted due to rules or something she had a reconciliation arc between the two. She also loved the drawing mumei made for her (monsterfied haachama head with spider legs/hands). In a recent stream she showed a couple of fan submissions involving that in 3d printed robotic form. She has lots of talented fans with plenty of time on their hands.
In a interview with Kiara, Haachama mentioned being demonetized for over a year by youtube. This lead to Haachama going wild on her channel and doing what she wanted. It was also used as an outlet for feeling lonely while down in Australia.
Nice, I love the way you explain vtuber lore, it's the perfect mix of "this man's insane" and "this man is making perfect sense and has his third eye wide open"!! It's so entertaining to see you just talk and analyse.
It's too bad that most of the other main vtuber groups have more simple? not on a cosmic scale? lore like Niji EN and Especially Holo EN, because on one hand a Holostars lore vieo would be so fun, but o the other their lore is so cut and dry (and tbh not that thought out lol) that im not sure how entertaining a video on it would be haha
It might just be that the concept of ”Nature” is less narrow that one might assume at girst glance.
The laws of physics are sometimes called ”the laws of nature” after all.
This would mean that Sana’s and Fauna’s domains overlap quite a bit, and this might be in order to counteract Sana’s destructive tendencies with Fauna’s healing tendencies.
They did call nature nothing short of ”statues” in the preview after all, and showed us some sort of shapes first and foremost, instead of a tree or something.
It would also obviously mean that she could’ve existed before time.
Moona's "High Tide" music video supports your moon theory. In that video, we see the Moon Goddess that is fused with Moona being approached by that Ancient Ones. Maybe the Ancient Ones forced the Moon Goddess from her realm and that is why she decided to fuse with a human? Also, in Kiara's "re-debut" stream it is strongly implied that the reason she can now stay in the same dimension is that the strong bonds she has formed with her friends and fans now keep her heart in this world. Which is heartwarming both in and out of the lore.
Didn't Mumei also say after her debut that she's "Not a concept, just a guardian?" You know. To make the lore even weirder.
I appreciate the lore summary of Hololive EN that is canonical written, but I think key factors of what aren’t in play have a lot of implications for what we get moving forward. Specifically, Ame’s connection to time and Ina’s connection to space. As of yet, they are not officially recognized by Hololive’s statements about them, Ame’s multiverse versions of herself, the thief of Kronii’s time manipulation, her interstellar idols gag, all are ongoing evolving lore that ties back into the council. Ina’s “The Watcher of (from?) the void” kinda gives us links to the domain of Sana’s space. There are queit a couple of pieces we don’t get from the bios, debuts, and songs, that don’t elaborate on the current events of how the lore is expanding. However, you are working with just known facts, and that’s fine. Would love to see follow ups about some of the other topics mentioned.
This video was amazing! I laughed WAY too hard when you pulled out the VHS tape! It was so unexpected, yet it made so much sense!
I do believe the Ancient Ones to be the main villains of the Hololive lore. They must be conected to the Manipulator in some way. Since they seem to be inspired by Lovecraftian Horror, which deals with themes of impending doom and helplessness in the face of cosmic beings far greater and powerful than the universe itself. I think the Ancient Ones would be equivalent to the Outer Gods, like Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth, beings that exist in the gaps between realities, existing outside the very concepts that govern our universe. That would explain as to why the Council avatars feel like they cannot do anything to stop them. Sana being an apostle to the Ancient Gods really interests me - even in Lovecraftian stories, there have been gods that saw too much and ended up falling to madness, and I think Sana really embodies the greatness of the cosmos quite well (especially with the fact she casually destroyed our planet, which once again plays with the theme of us being helpless against greater cosmic beings, some of which are so great that they're unaware of our existance, like Humans being able to carry on with their lives unaware of the microscopic lives all around them as well as on their very own bodies.)
If the Lovecraftian Outer Gods are canon to Hololive lore, then it means that our reality is nothing but a dream (Daydream?) of Azathoth, and once it awakens from its dream, we'll all cease to be. While Azathoth is kept asleep by music from other Outer Gods, it's only a matter of "when" it will wake up - that is inevitable. And since Outer Gods exist outside our reality, then they can exist separately from the supposed gods our universe.
Yog-Sothoth knows of all things that have and are to pass. The VHS tape example that you used, that what is to come is already predetermined, matches with this; like Azathoth, he is omniscient and omnipresent - he exists at all times simultaneously, clearly an existence superior to even the avatar of time herself, which explains why she doesn't know how the future will be, but Yog-Sothoth knows.
Ina, in this case, would be acting like Cthulu, becoming a priestess creating a cult to worship the Ancient Ones. Why? We simply cannot comprehend it. That's the whole point of beings far above our realm of comprehension. Not even Nyarlathotep - an Outer God himself - could comprehend Azathoth, since Azathoth is the greatest of all Outer Gods, the Nuclear Chaos. Honestly, this could imply many other things, and I'm sure someone more knowledgeable about Lovecraftian mythos than me could explain any of this better and provide even more discussion, but it's fun to think about!
How did we get to Cosmicism and Existentialism from simping anime girls on the internet?
For your question....i dont know... I love your comment, i read through all of it!!!
I know you mention it's the outer gods playing the music but if you twist it slightly you could interoperate the songs of the members as being created to keep Azathoth asleep longer, specifically irys'.
My reason for thinking this is that Azathoth will eventually wake up no matter what, much as how everyone eventually dies, but hope can keep people content despite this, and gives people reason to push back against death and attempt to live longer.
If you were in a life or death situation you would fight back out of hope for things that may happen to you in the future, while still knowing eventually you'll die for some other reason. Irys similarly could be pushing back the awakening of Azathoth for the things that happen in the extra time she creates. A lot of the stuff about hope could be more about how what you do leading up to the end of reality isn't meaningless and you shouldn't fall into despair just because the end is near.
I'm pretty sure Ina and Sana being apostles of the Ancient Ones is also a reference to both of them being illustrators.
As well as being friends from before Hololive.
Also is most certainly a fate reference
There is alot of Chulu lore about how artist are able to see , reflect and implement the will and true form of the Ancient Ones.
“The moon is the manipulator”
HIS THRONE
Edit: Wait, would that imply that Pekora and Moona are more sinister than originally thought?
Well that tracks with her War Crimes & the laughter that follows
always has been PEKO xD
Well, given Moona's High Tide music video, there could be some truth to that.
Moona is a strait up villian
@@WrensthavAviovus i see what u did there...clever
Sometimes I forget how deep vtuber lore is…
Remember rule number one of Vtubers.
Lore never lasts beyond debut, lol.
Having a lore always make stuff way cooler and thinking about it around your own personality and perfecting it is the best
Until it doesn’t matter
@@anso3886 League of Legends has a massive universe of lore that ultimately does not matter at all to the gameplay xD Yet it's constantly expanded, though with inconsistent care put into it.
Oh, man, really happy to see this in my recommendations. Vtuber lore is actually so interesting and i feel if its expanded on and used vtubers could expand into anime and game territory AND also keep the character during streams. I know Hololive at keast has a game in the works and i hope they fully embrace their lore for both EN, JP, and ID.
Imagine a Holoverse game/anime/manga series that followed lore. Anyway, lil precomment before i watch, you just finished the intro so lets get into it!
The Schrodingers VHS Tape is a great, great explanation, I love the "walking into the forest" bit, there's Genshin background music at the beginning and the Mumei segment (?)
Irys's presence is a really ironic one. Although her awakening means humanity will persevere, her awakening also means an age of despair for humanity.
I'm only just at Fauna's portion, but how I interpreted that bit about space is the same way a certain fighting anime pretty boy's power works; to see the literal existence of space between 0 and 1 is to realize that there is infinite space between numbers, between particles, between atoms. I don't know what that would mean for the lore, but that was the immediate thought that came to mind rather than something strictly to do with numbers.
I am reminded instead of the video description in the ending of Markiplier's Space series. An infinite space, yes, but also one that can be changed with as simple as one decision.
many may hate math, but...
cos 90° = 0
sin 90° = 1
tan 90° = not defined ( or infinite )
... holomembers love there tangents ;-)
"What did the ancient ones wants with us that Vtubing was the most effective method to capture our minds?"
Yog Sothoth: "I'll be honest, that blonde with the very convincing fake accent put us up to all of this."
Incorrect. Ame was the leader of the ancient ones all along.
When you consider the fact that there are an infinite number of Ames, the probability is actually in favor of this being in true.
Dunno what power ancient ones give, but it's not working for me lol
@@Eterco bruh. A version of Ame that is an Eldritch outer goddess is way more terrifying than it should be.
@@DukeofRizz "it was me Ina. *I* was the ancient ones all along!!"
My theory: When Kiara is alive, she's constantly building up energy, or speed in the context of PUs, and it's this energy that allows her to traverse universes when she dies. However, it takes about 100 years to build up sufficient energy, meaning if she dies before that, she will not have enough energy to move to a new universe, and will wake up in her current one. This also explains how she's been bugging Calliope for thousands of years, because every time Calliope kills her, it resets Kiara's energy, preventing her from leaving.
Damn, all without half a button press too.
I was honestly really hoping you would do a video about hololive and as usual I am not disappointed. I think you always add a new perspective to things and notice small details I wouldn't even think twice about. Keep up the good work
Anyways timestamps for anyone who's interested
00:00 introduction
01:54 holomyth + irys deputes
-- 02:18 calli
-- 03:21 kiara
-- 04:47 ina
-- 07:13 gura
-- 08:00 ame
08:25 established facts of the holouniverse
10:50 some lore outside the deputes
11:32 kiara's 2nd deput
12:37 which songs are canon? /analyzing songs
-- 12:41 hinotori/sparks
-- 12:57 reflect ft persona
-- 14:42 violet
-- 15:08 calli's songs (15:41 list of belived canon songs)
15:57 idk how to call this section
16:19 irys
-- 17:02 ceasura of despair
-- 17:10 diorama
-- 17:25 here comes hope
-- 17:47 ep "journey"
20:09 holocouncil trailers
Pt 21:20 calli's coming to existence
22:15 council pv and analyzing the quotes
--22:39 sana
--23:40 fauna
--23:25 kronii
--23:59 mumei
--24:15 bealz
25:19 council deput
--25:20 sana
--29:42 fauna
--32:23 kronii
--35:33 mumei
--37:08 bealz
38:29 Analyzing councils songs
--38:35 play dice
--38:39 a new start
--38:50 daydream
40:02 theory about sana, ina and the ancient one + a surprisingly kinda motivational (?) speech
41:46 conclusion
Also some of my personal favorite timestamps
07:58 anyways drugs
12:34 whether or not hell is exempt from the multiverse
31:24 touching grass
34:28 time is a schrodinger's vhs (tbh genuinely not a bad analogy)
39:50 the moon is the manipulator
Feel free to correct and add anything
ALL HAIL THE HOLOLIVE EN LORE
also i felt my brain expand while listening to 40min analysis of vtuber lore, like holy sht
Boi you fucking delivered. Seeing someone dive down the lore rabbit hole and slowly losing their mind in the process, bruh same.
Well, adding up on Gura's lore - according to her second "new outfit" stream, she is a daughter of Poseidon, thus a demigod, and is the last princess of the Fallen city of Atlantis. Also, looking at her MV , she could have been the reason (Her Gawr self) for said Atlantis to be destroyed.
Look up greek mythology Lamia the devourer of children. i think it is possable
I thought it's mumei fault
@@NiceUglyBastard the actual sinking of Atlantis was because of greed and pride of the people so you could blame mumei for that, but Gura wasn't even there at the time it sank. Atlantis sank somewhere betwenn 12 and 13 thousand years ago Gura isn't even 10 thousand years ago. although She has admitied she has memory loss. Personaly I think Gura wasn't always called Gura or Gawr. I believe Gura is far older than she thinks she is and something truly taumatic happened that caused her mind to break as a self defence mechanism. I also think Gawr knows what happend or maybe has some memories anyway. she spent a lot of time fighting Gura to stay hidden. saying some pretty horrable things to gura to convince her that she was noting and people wouldn't want her around.
Head canon: gawr/red gura is gura's sister because in real life shark babies tend to eat each other inside the egg in order to not starve. Red gura was red because of blood and is how gura remembers while she ate her flesh
I love this so much. There could be a lot to add here, like Ame time travel and butting heads with warden of time herself. The IRyS where she constantly reminded us that theres hope, but what is hope? What is that 1/17 trillion chances to be save against Thanos snap? Who are the "Gods" that created the avatar of concepts and what is the Forbidden Truth? My favorite part of all this is Sana and Inas connection. I never knew that, its awesome. We have moon goddess but what exaclty is the moon? Is someone really residing there waiting to annihilate mankind and Kronii is just rewinding time to save us from our impending doom? Guess Gen 3 ideas by HoloEN needed to up their game more to satisfy these lores. Good content, i love this kind of stuffs from a Vtuber perspective fan 😊 keep it up.
15:00 Ina has never hidden that she was a career illustrator before joining Hololive. As a career illustrator myself, Violet reads as her singing about drawing within the context of it being a lover and burning out from the work.
15:10 The thesis statement of Callie's first two EPs was her coming to terms with needing to give up who she was as an underworld entity (double meaning for long term fans) to pursue her career with Hololive.
40:00 HoloID's Moona Hoshinova???
-As far as I know about Ina's lore, the song Violet seems to tell a story of her and her childhood friend, who is now her coworker Tsukumo Sana (Violet was released before Sana's debut so *spoiler* I guess).
-Calli actually admitted that she wasn't a hololive fan before joining, which didn't her from growing to love and strive hard for this fanbase
"Underworld entity"
I'm guessing she was a camgirl like Projekt Melody?
@HL Not streaming per se, just maintaining an audience via an online platform. For Callie is was music related, for Ina it was doing professional illustrations for gacha games, for Kiara it was being an actual factual idol in Japan. Ame and Gura were the only "streamers" of EN1.
IRyS, Bae, and Mumei were also stremers, Fauna was an ASMRtist, Sana was an Illustrator who did occasional drawstreams, and Kronii was a professional voice actress.
@HL but you were factually wrong when you said "streaming". You could have just said "content creation" if you didn't want to talk about their old jobs.
@@adriannaranjo4397 She was DEMONdice before joining.
Great video! i know most people don't care about Vtuber lore but i love it! mostly cause of the fan content that comes from it like Mazumaro's animations and other cool fan comics.
most of the talents gave up on the lore pretty quickly lol (unless you count Ame's multiverse madness) but Ina still tackles it occasionally like that cryptic happy birthday photo and the recent reveal of "The Watcher"
Usual room too traumatic to remember...
Somebody give this man a hug, he's been through a lot
I love it, a man finally has tied up all together in one single video, but there's much left out, like Ame's attempt to save everything from collapsing using time travel (using Kronni's clock), and with Sana leaving us (she's out of clues) and giving to the fans "Astrogirl" This video DEFINITELY needs a part 2
6:08 the line is a reference to an annual light novel guide book “Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi!” (This light novel is amazing!) Grand Prize which compiles a list of the best light novels of the year according to popular polls, sales numbers and critics. Ina’s book reads “This Necronomicon is the insane Grand Prize!” Which would maybe imply she simply bought it on a bookstore lol
The manipulator being the moon makes sense, because it afects the tides, and stabilizers the earth
28:53 - It's more likely that the ancient humans who founded shintoism just interpreted Yatagaratsu's form and purpose incorretcly. Just the same as we can't fully compreehend Sana yet
Kiara didn't died "so hard" she looped around... she died SO FAST she looped around.
SPEED RUN
The Risk of Rain music fits really well when we're getting metaphysical with Council! As for the Manipulator, I'm pretty sure it's La+. Laplace's Demon is a hypothetical entity that can know the position and motion of all particles simultaneously, violating the uncertainty principle and reducing free will to an illusion. La+ is literally this demon, except with that power sealed away. By who? Well, the lock on her collar matches Baelz' key. And Play Dice says "No math can settle this rat". Bae isn't just chaos, she's quantum uncertainty. And HoloX isn't as incompetent as they look, they're actually planning on altering the universe on a fundamental level and Omegalpha thinks they might actually be able to do it.
Not that the moon theory is wrong though, Moona and Pekora make up Usada Kensetsu which might just be a front for HoloX and if not, then they're at risk of being acquired by them
I think the Sana lore about becoming an Apostle of the Ancient ones was a hint or had something to do with the fact that her and Ina had known each other since they were little. Also both are great illustrators.
But I think Sana is above Ina when it comes to powerscaling. And, **ehem, cough** other departments as well.
Like Pokemon battles.
The whole "new dimension" is just Kiara forgot about our dimension and just reborn and thinking this dimension for her is a new dimension.
Did not expect that last bit to feel inspirational. Lmao.
But my dude, phenomenal job. I loved every bit of this.
If this man aint what you call a vtuber canon lore connoisseur, then I don't know what is.
Love your vid so much and I'll be looking forward to more of your vids in the future soooo... Here, mate. I know it aint much but have my sub.
We don't need to tell him to touch grass cuz he has already been one with them...anyway great videos, really like how you explain the lore.
Time has come out as Canadian, Chaos and Space are Australian. Everything suddenly makes sense.
I absolutely lost it when he went into the forest 😂
I love these sort of Vtuber lore videos!
12:04 my posible explanation for that
She also didn’t seem to notice the amnesia so my theory is that THIS time she was reborn fast and usually she takes hundreds if not thousands of years to reborn.. ergo the whole “another dimension” thing each time she resurrects
And this also correlate’s with the desaparence of mithycal beings AND gura’s posible hidden lore that I have a big theory about
Amelia is a time traveller in disguise as detective XD.
I think we all forgot but Ame actually made up being a time traveler, but we were all so on board with the idea that evolved to become part of her lore later
@@yesimnotcreative6312 well it said on thier trailer i think time traveller
@@potatoxgaming9466 actually it wasn't stated in the Holomyth trailer. Iirc she was talking about her being a time traveler in a Superchat reading some time after her debut when someone asked about her watch
Does the Council feel a little....compromised, to anyone else? Sana's is covered in this video, with her connection to the Ancient Ones quite possibly overriding her duty as Speaker if it comes to that. IRyS (who's not on the Council, but shh) is holding on for the moment but seems to have serious doubts about whether humanity is worth saving. Meanwhile the _Guardian_ of humanity has seemingly fully decided that we're NOT, and has tried on multiple occasions to cause extinction events. (My money's on her memory loss being part of an attempt by the others to stop her destroying us and herself, but the memories are filtering back in bit by bit)
And then there's Fauna. Quite possibly an impostor on the Council, a forest witch who has the real Keeper of Nature under a spell and has usurped her position and possibly her powers (the golden apple, specifically). When Kronii's one of the most sane and trustworthy members of the group, you know something's gone very wrong. Personally I'm just glad the leader is Bae.
I love the Zenless Zone Zero music playing over Baelz’s explanation
This is a big w for the chuuni lore enthusiasts, thank you
Well most of the multidimensional stuff is solved by Ame’s watch with its time travel and infinite dimensions and infinite Ame’s
so, the weird thing is that Watson becoming a time traveler does end up lining up with whichever God sent IRyS to give Hope to Humanity who in this universe has gone beyond the Universal rules of the Council & the Ancient One's plan...
My head cannon about kronii and her debut is that kronii's debut is chronologically after any and every stream we will ever see of hers and that we're seeing in an understandable way of explaining the things she's doing/done before her "debut" stream
Nice video. You really did well putting it all together in an entertaining 43 minute video. Also understand why you couldn't go through all the random stuff considering how much there is for all of them. Keep up the good work and I will definitely be keeping an eye out for your next video.
Gods creating Mumei avatar: Ah heck whatever welcome to the club
What if... the ruined city that appears in Caesura of Despair is the same ruined city that we see Roboco walking in HoloAlternative.....
Also the Moon being manipulator is interesting because in Moona's High Tide we see Ina's tentacles reaching out to her and we also see a glimpse of Atlantis in ruins... which strengthens her connection to the EN lore.
Sick as hell lore. Made it even funnier that you added RoR2 Music just to make that extra "eldritch gods wanting to kill humanity" vibe even better.
You are definitely on track to be a big anime youtuber. You give me the same vibes nux had when he was stsrting out and made niche content to get bigger. Love the quality of your videos.
My interpretation is that on debut Kiara was at her weakest, overtime she grows stronger gaining access to abilities some would call unnatural. The Empress outfit is her final ultimate form. And can arise in various ways. Good or bad.
Also the Tako x Chicken alliance/conflict is equally baffling
I'm beginning to believe this man might cracked the case more sooner than Ame
About 22:45
Firstly, I like your interpretation that nothing becomes something, when you validate the something.
I think - because Sana is an apostel of the ancient ones - this quote directly links to Ina and the ancient ones. The void is a concept connected to Ina and the ancient ones, she even took the viewers to a place beyond the void (although she made the takodachis forget about it).
Furthermore, Ninomae means 1, Ina'nis is Latin for empty, Ina is the void, 0 and 1 at the same time.
And Sana and Ina are childhood friends which is nice.
Really fun and interesting watch! I’ll admit I was waiting the whole time for a mention of omega. Hopefully one day there is more info / debut to add to the lore :’
Honestly….. idk how much of that they planned but man they really lucked into an epic story
Here to let you know someone understood the joke about QPU alignment. I had forgotten about it, and I haven't belly laughed like that in a while. Thank you so much!
Ame and Kiara work perfectly fine in the lore in my opinion but with Calli, Ina, the ancient ones, IRyS, and counsel complicating things, the lore gets much more complicated since time, space, gods, death, and unknown mystery things the ancient ones are makes this much more complicated than any other lore I've seen; the only one who is "normal" here is oddly the little 900 year old shark girl Gura.
I'll join you with Fauna 31:25.
Gura is the reason why I go “A” and my family look at me weird when I do it
Ironically, chaos is the least chaotic. The 2nd bird of EN is more chaotic
Man, as a fandom appreciator, I love me some lore/universe analysis like this one. Splendid job.
WOW! Great video I really have fun at watching this
There is a fan (not official) video about holomyth lore
Its called something like "hololive en lore in a nutshel"
Idk if it true or canon, but there is a litle explenation in the description of the video...
About Violet that might be interesting for lore! The whispered words mean "scars, fireflies, empty, music, sounds, and childhood" in a language that LUMINA invented.
I have also heard that the song is based on a real event in Ina's life (Where she was gonna met up a friend but the friend never showed up cause they moved or something but I don't know if that's true or just rumors.)
You are right about Violet showing Ina before she got the tentacles! She revealed that in a stream about the song.
Fun breakdown of the lore, and well researched. Kudos to you
Re: Yatagarasu in the context of Shintoism
I'm working from memory here so please bear with me because it's really wonky. The way the Kami (Gods of Shinto) work is not the same as Western Gods because of how Shintoism's key concept works.
If it exists, it has a soul.
Instead of having a god of storms, you instead have a kami of storms, the soul that was created by either all storms or a specific one (like the Kamikaze that destroyed the Mongol Fleets invading Japan). However, in order to be fully recognized and acknowledged as a true blue Kami, it needs to be enshrined (hence Shinto's Shrines), there are specific rooms in most shrines that possess a physical representation of that shrine's kami.
This idea of an existing thing having a soul also neatly explains what Youkai are...but that's a WHOLE other story. Back to Yatagarasu and Amaterasu.
Now Amaterasu, under this definition, is the Soul of the Sun given a name and function. While Yatagarasu is associated with her, given that Crows are seen as one of her messengers. At the same time, due to how Shintoism believes that Souls have multiple parts to them (3 or 4 depending on the Era a given source is written) and each piece or "Mitama" (remember Persona's Nigimitama, Sakimitama, Aramitama, and Kusimitama? That's what they are based on) can have their own agency to the point that they have their own Shrine, there's a real chance that Yatagarasu is in fact one of Amaterasu's Mitama in some text somewhere.
Shintoism can get complicated to say the least.
YES YES YESS I have been waiting for this since the first video came out! :DD
edit: by the way Fauna just relesed a song Ame is a time traveler and I don't know much about Omega but she is something
the moon is what
Throbbing 🌝
Recently, in Ina stream a Wahtcher appeared near a monolith in a undisclosed location that could be the Moon.
Sanalites and Takodachis maybe are experiments to conserve the "human consciousness" after the fall.
Also, who can say that the civilization guardian cares about humanity. Any civilization could serve, maybe.
How exciting.
First thing: I super enjoyed the video and thank you so much for putting in so much effort to bring all this lore together. I wanted to mention that I think there is a way for space to be created in the way that we know as Humans, via the Big Bang, without disrupting the canon that the prelude set out. If you'll remember when the gods first created nature, it was static and unchanging. Basically living statues without purpose that never grew or changed. It was not until Time was created that Nature was fundamentally changed.
Life could progress, evolve, and die. So we could imagine that the 4 Big Gods first created Space with the Big Bang. Then, in order to rope in the unbridled chaos that created, made Nature. But for all we know, Nature before the existence of Time was something life living rocks and celestial bodies. A concept that we as Humans, bound by Time, would find really difficult to wrap our mind around. And while creating this type of Nature helped to slow down all of the Chaos from the big bang, it didn't grow or do anything, so the Gods made Time. With the creation of Time, spaced moved, dust came together to form planets like Earth, and Nature as we know it began to exist. (Also, Death's job became a lot easier because now death was certain instead of something she had to work for.) That's just my 2 cents on the matter.
Also can't forget that Kronii has said that many timelines exist, so there is definitely hope that we won't meet a terrible end at the hands of the Manipulator.
Such a good video glad someone finally made lore videos on vtuber lore
But hey it’s just a theory a vtuber theory? Thanks for watching!
I see what you did there 😂
But hey, its just a theory, a game theory! Thanks for watching.
Oh boy did the HoloTempus manga throw some more stuff at us. The biggest part was Omega actually being on the moon and seemingly "manipulate" the events that lead to the creation of the Tempus guild. I would say that is solid evidence to 99% confirm Omega is the Manipulator and is doing so from the moon. And let's not forget that Dan Dan shows Mumei complicit in and sometimes responsible for massive global tragedies like the Black Plague. Your theory is amazingly on point, and I'm excited to see how it continues to expand. (Also the additional implications of what would happen if Moona's lore is added to this is fascinating)
Don't worry Steve. She got me like that too.
39:38 Local 58 called, they want -HIS THRONE- their plot device back.
Only thing I'll say is I remember Kiara mentioning collecting hats, and I'm disappointed in her lack of hat collecting.
Welp, get ready for that lore to expand quite a bit.
I really love these videos and how much you get into them. I am far to dumb to see any of this, so it's nice to have someone point out even the more obvious things. Thank you. :)
Love the Risk of Rain OST playing when discussion of the creation of the universe started.
This is all just warmup for the big one. The haachama lore.
My mind is blown, melted and quite possibly obliterated.
Can't wait for the video on Hololive JP, I'm really curious about what are you going to do with the roller coaster that is Hachama
Have fun off the grid, dude! Also, I’m pretty sure the first Council meeting during the debut period would’ve qualified for something worth analyzing.
Among other things, it’s established that Council basically accomplishes jack friggin all whenever they have meetings, Council’s mugshots for the Omen vid were just their passport photos, and has the Council girls give first person accounts of the events detailed in Omen, which are… less than impressive.
Would’ve said the same for the Myth group collab but the extent of that one was just full Bri’ish Ame managing to knock out and jail the other four Myth girls to grill them about being mythological creatures (apparently missing all the obvious clues while rehearsing idol stuff together) and recapturing Calli when she slipped free early (ah EN’s Law, never change), and then the other girls collectively going “no duh, now let us out” since only one of them was more than enough to jailbreak and beat Ame senseless on her way out. Didn’t really miss much there.
29:40 my absolute favorite part
Oh boy. I love these girls more than I’ve ever loved anything ever before. Existential dread aside.
Someone want to tell him about Omega and Smol Adventures and the Ame-verse?
There's also that time when Yagoo used Ame's time travel to fix a hole in Coco's lore before she left.
As for Kiara being reborn in the same dimension, I think Kiara said in the stream after getting her memories back that her ability may have evolved to the point where she could stay in our dimension
I see you’ve abandoned civilization and returned to nature
Friend. betray. *kill* :D
This was really fun and actually made sense, now to wait how Godchama's lore affects it all and blows our minds
Oh you absolute madlad. How did I miss that this video came out on by birthday. Thanks for the gift.
Second and my final, you have explained much I did not know, nor realize to have happened. Continue your work, and keep asking the hard questions. You have gained a follower as I do not have the time to keep up with the girls outside of clips.
for the Mumei's creation section, she could've been created by the very first humans who created the first civilization, and were so powerful, it warrented the other avatars, or in this case Sana, to destroy them and once we were reborn as the current human civilization by fauna's apple, reawaken Mumei.
Crack pot theory time: Moona Hoshinova is connected to the whole Armageddon thing. The High Tide mv has some visuals alluding to a connection to the Old Ones, including very Ina like tentacles at 1:25 and her wearing an Ina like headband at 1:35 and 1:53
The facts that moona lore develop slowly
Even she sometimes deny it only to become official later
Make me wonder
What if she hide something big
Ah. Yes. The Moon Goddess and Moona. Who reminds me way too much of Kiana Kaslana.
Who can also be The Herrscher of the End. Or the Bringer of the Apocalypse.
22:59
I always took "where does the difference lie between 0 and 1" to mean... it is normally thought that there is a miniscule difference between 0 and 1 . Literally 1-0=1, the difference is the smallest natural number... so no space between the two numbers. However, there are literally an infinite amount of numbers between the number 0 and the number 1... such as 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4..., 0.9, 0.01, 0.02, 0.03..., 0.09, 0.11... literally, an infinite amount of numbers between 0 and 1. Infinite space.