Picard saying he doesn't care about legacy perfectly sets up a storyline about his son and carrying things on. Remember that when his brother and his nephew, Robert and Rene, were killed in the fire in Generations, Picard acknowledges that's the end of the Picard family line. To that point, he chose to not have a family and mentions he didn't have to worry about it because his brother had essentially taken care of that. Now is the opportunity to do that.
As an older Geek, so happy to see the Buddies doing Picard reviews. I loved Seven, excuse me, Annika, telling Ryker it’s not how she speaks to an admiral but how she speaks to a friend. Looking forward to more review guys. Thanks.
I am on vacation and am unable to watch this until I get back next week. But, I can't tell you how happy I am to see The Geek Buddies giving it a review! I'm a die hard Trek Fan and and a huge Geek Buddies fan. So, I'm ecstatic and I will revisit this video as soon as I get back to the States and watch the episode! Keep the reviews coming!
LOVED eps 1 of Picard S3 ... I have high hopes for this season. Not a fan of NuTrek, so this is truly a gift. LOVE your analysis and deep cuts ... I love Geek Buddies!
Ok watched the first episode if Picard Season 3 and REALLY enjoyed it. Great start to the season, lots of mystery that I am into. Picard and Riker's banter is great. Love seeing Seven in uniform. I loved how she expressed her doubts of being able to be a good Starfleet officer despite Janeway and Picard believing in her and the nice way Picard told her she will figure it out. Also if Beverly's new son isn't Picard kid I will be shocked. If he is, doesn't make Crusher look good disappearing for 20 years with him unless her reasons were legit, we'll have to wait and see. Probably it's related to the mystery bad guys coming after them. So good start and looking forward to the rest of the season now.
Spot on review. I'm liking season 3 so far. I thought S1 was fine with some reservations, but I didn't like S2 - I was checked out by the end. Another callback was the space dock sequence being very similar to the Stealing the Enterprise scene in Star Trek 3 - one of my favourite scenes from the movies.
do you think Shaw will be redeemed? I thought that scene with Shaw blowing up at Seven and the crew all looking to her gave me a lot of Captain Bligh Fletcher Christian vibes.
When you have a character go that deep into being a dick right off the bat, you're either setting up a redemption story or a tragic death due to his own arrogance? Remember Christopher Plummer in Star Trek VI?? "To be or not to be" BOOM!
Finally catching up on Picard s3 so I can come back to these reviews and I have to say... I am shocked. Shocked! At the amount of vitriolic slander levied against our good man, Shannon McClung. How dare you, Sirs! How. Dare. You!
Can't wait to see the fleet yards, you know there's going to be some big nostalgia. Enterprise E & F, maybe even voyager? There most likely taking one of those enterprises!
Matalas insists that they aren't using one of the Enterprises this season. However, if the Enterprise-D saucer is at the fleet museum, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of the crew pay one final visit to the ol' girl's bridge.
Seconding the recommendation to watch Prodigy. It's excellent and as far as the new animated series goes, far superior to lower decks which is borderline unwatchable. The story is unique, interesting, if geared towards a younger audience, and far more in-sync with the Roddenberry Star Trek ethos. The animation itself is incredible and it just looks beautiful. I find LD to be really irritating (every character's trait seems to be LOUD and annoying), and it looks like it was animated in a really poor comic book style.
I am a TNG die hard, but... I enjoyed s2 and I know it seems to get a ton of hate. 1 was fine, but it felt kinda disjointed at times. It was Picard with the Romulans, but also with the synthetic ethical dilemma/situation, but also another farewell to Data... And I don't know if they melded all of those elements. S2, to me, had a clear storyline, go back in time and fix the fissure in the past that creates a completely shattered and dystopian Federation future thanks to Q (while giving Tapestry vibes of Q giving Picard another lesson in self discovery). S2 has its issues, of course, and some of the dialogue does feel very network tv, but I think the biggest issue in, both, s1 and 2 is that there isn't enough time. Enough time to show rather than tell us. Some of the story was done more through verbal exposition rather than by taking us through the steps. Raffi's baggage with her son/family and her addiction, her relationship with Seven, in the first season, having to weave the Romulan storyline, the synthetics storyline, Jurati, Rios, Picard. All of that crammed into, not the old school 24-26 episodes, but in 10. So many elements had to be squeezed in and jumps and workarounds and shortcuts to get there. And therein lies why I have a bigger issue with s1 than s2. While, s2 was a more straightforward timeline/time travel storyline courtesy of Q, the first line had all the above mentioned elements that had to be weaved into that season. To me, that's where the big split lies. I don't find the story in s1 or s2 significantly superior to the other or the dialogue better in one over the other, but... The Romulans plotline, introduction of the Qowat Milat, the Borg plotline, the conspiracy angle, the synthetics storyline, Picard, the rest of the crew, Soong's legacy, Data's finale. It was too much to do with too little time/few episodes. I think Michael said it best, the first two seasons were uneven. Also, doesn't help that I'm not a big fan of the Federation as a dystopian future. I like my grit and dystopia and dysfunction and the down and dirty, but that's what shows like Walking Dead, GoT or some of the others are/were for. I want my Federation to be squeaky and aspirational. But, our collective desire for more 'real', 'gritty' programming across the board has slowly infected all of our viewing experience. We want a dark, gritty Punisher and Daredevil. We want it from our GOT/HotD fantasy, we want it from our post-apocalyptic zombie/parasitic futures. We even see it in SW. The OT had some darker, gritty moments, but it was always optimistic. But, as that generation of fans got older, we didn't outgrow the OT, but we moved on to desiring more of that cynicism that we cloak in the name of 'realism'. Hence we get to the point where Jedi are portrayed as flawed and fallible (when their earliest appearances treated them like they could walk on water). Luke says the Jedi's legacy is one of failure. Yeah, sure. They held the peace (this may be retconned in the not too distant future) of the Republic for 10000 years (I see that it's listed in imdb as 1000, but I swear I saw this in the theater and it was 10000 - I feel like it may have been edited more recently to fit in with the current timeline), but a Sith Lord holding it for 20-25 or even 30 years of that 10000 or even 1000 years is a legacy of failure. So, by percentage, the Jedi were great 97% of the time (if it was 1000 years) and failed 3% to Palps/Vader or, if we go with 10000, 0.3% of the time, but their legacy is failure. By that measurement, I guess the Mongol Empire, Alexander the Great, Roman Empire, etc, all failures b/c they eventually failed/fell... The point is that, this series had an uphill battle to fight with me from the word 'go', but within the premise they've chosen to establish, I find the series... acceptable, if not, as Vogel said, uneven.
I'm sorry, fellas... ST:IV was the bad one? ST:V was the Undiscovered Country?? Oho, I think a couple of my favorite folks are getting a visit by Section 31 to have their Trek cards yanked. 🤣
So I think you said that Star Trek the Motion Picture was a great movie. That movie had a science fiction premise of a giant all knowing computer wondering about the meaning of life. What is the science fiction premise here? That spaceships can shoot phasers at you? When you shoot a dog in a film it's to generate sympathy. So what's the difference when they kill off characters in Star Trek Picard? Isn't there a million soap operas and cop shows where every relative gets sick or gets killed or runs away or is found 20 years later? And a million crime TV shows where wives hide their children from their father? Why on earth would you do that to our heroes? Why would you have them fight like children? Why would you have drug deals and Raffi torturing a prisoner, and Worf looking on, making ridiculous speeches about what is right and wrong! Why would you have seven want to quit her job as first officer? Terry Metalas doesn't understand Star Trek. He's treating it as a normal drama without morals or meetings and messages or an important science fiction device context. Further, why did it take three episodes to finally have some character development for Picard and Riker? We could have watched the entire Star Trek 4 movie.
Thanks for doing a Geek Buddies Discussion for Star Trek. Looking forward to the rest of Picard Season 3 and possibly others.
every thursday a group of friends and I try to watch trek, usually the new shows or any episodes in between new stuff.
Picard saying he doesn't care about legacy perfectly sets up a storyline about his son and carrying things on. Remember that when his brother and his nephew, Robert and Rene, were killed in the fire in Generations, Picard acknowledges that's the end of the Picard family line. To that point, he chose to not have a family and mentions he didn't have to worry about it because his brother had essentially taken care of that. Now is the opportunity to do that.
Great point! Plus what happened to him in the Nexus during Star Trek Generations.
As an older Geek, so happy to see the Buddies doing Picard reviews. I loved Seven, excuse me, Annika, telling Ryker it’s not how she speaks to an admiral but how she speaks to a friend. Looking forward to more review guys. Thanks.
I am on vacation and am unable to watch this until I get back next week. But, I can't tell you how happy I am to see The Geek Buddies giving it a review! I'm a die hard Trek Fan and and a huge Geek Buddies fan. So, I'm ecstatic and I will revisit this video as soon as I get back to the States and watch the episode! Keep the reviews coming!
This season of Picard is off to a great start and how it should have been! And looking forward to the reunion with all the crew!
LOVED eps 1 of Picard S3 ... I have high hopes for this season. Not a fan of NuTrek, so this is truly a gift. LOVE your analysis and deep cuts ... I love Geek Buddies!
finally star trek content from this channel
Haha! Well I’ve got someone to talk about it with!
Ok watched the first episode if Picard Season 3 and REALLY enjoyed it. Great start to the season, lots of mystery that I am into. Picard and Riker's banter is great. Love seeing Seven in uniform. I loved how she expressed her doubts of being able to be a good Starfleet officer despite Janeway and Picard believing in her and the nice way Picard told her she will figure it out. Also if Beverly's new son isn't Picard kid I will be shocked. If he is, doesn't make Crusher look good disappearing for 20 years with him unless her reasons were legit, we'll have to wait and see. Probably it's related to the mystery bad guys coming after them. So good start and looking forward to the rest of the season now.
A Star Trek review on the GB? Whaaat?
Now I want to watch II, III, and VI again, again.
@@travisearl771 I love the Voyage Home, but episode one gave me all sorts of vibes from the aforementioned 3 films.
this was ultimate star trek fan serive and i loved it
Spot on review. I'm liking season 3 so far. I thought S1 was fine with some reservations, but I didn't like S2 - I was checked out by the end.
Another callback was the space dock sequence being very similar to the Stealing the Enterprise scene in Star Trek 3 - one of my favourite scenes from the movies.
Get Rob on he's like the praetorian guard of picard season 3!
Nothing about Worf being the handler?
If Shannon wants sci-fi that goes BOOM, then he should check out Disco season 2. It remains the best season of Trek ever.
I don't think the terrorist attack and the stuff going on with Picard and Riker our separate storylines. I think they are connected
It’s separate for now. Just how I did the review. I’m sure they’ll connect up later in the show.
Just saw episode 1 and it is great❤
Coke Zero > Diet Coke
Nice choice, Vogel
do you think Shaw will be redeemed? I thought that scene with Shaw blowing up at Seven and the crew all looking to her gave me a lot of Captain Bligh Fletcher Christian vibes.
When you have a character go that deep into being a dick right off the bat, you're either setting up a redemption story or a tragic death due to his own arrogance? Remember Christopher Plummer in Star Trek VI?? "To be or not to be" BOOM!
Now I'm going to poor a scotch
I call Valaris "pseudo Saavik"
I'm going to wait to watch Picard until I finish watching TNG all the way through. I do hope you guys cover season 2 of SNW though
"Swamps of Sadness?" is that a "My Little Pony" reference?
Well, Mikey was a co-executive producer on My Little Pony. So, yes?
Finally catching up on Picard s3 so I can come back to these reviews and I have to say... I am shocked. Shocked! At the amount of vitriolic slander levied against our good man, Shannon McClung. How dare you, Sirs! How. Dare. You!
Can't wait to see the fleet yards, you know there's going to be some big nostalgia. Enterprise E & F, maybe even voyager? There most likely taking one of those enterprises!
Matalas insists that they aren't using one of the Enterprises this season. However, if the Enterprise-D saucer is at the fleet museum, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some of the crew pay one final visit to the ol' girl's bridge.
Can we trust Will? Did he share a look with the guy at the bar who dropped the enterprise in his drink when they left?
Seconding the recommendation to watch Prodigy. It's excellent and as far as the new animated series goes, far superior to lower decks which is borderline unwatchable. The story is unique, interesting, if geared towards a younger audience, and far more in-sync with the Roddenberry Star Trek ethos. The animation itself is incredible and it just looks beautiful. I find LD to be really irritating (every character's trait seems to be LOUD and annoying), and it looks like it was animated in a really poor comic book style.
I am a TNG die hard, but... I enjoyed s2 and I know it seems to get a ton of hate. 1 was fine, but it felt kinda disjointed at times. It was Picard with the Romulans, but also with the synthetic ethical dilemma/situation, but also another farewell to Data... And I don't know if they melded all of those elements. S2, to me, had a clear storyline, go back in time and fix the fissure in the past that creates a completely shattered and dystopian Federation future thanks to Q (while giving Tapestry vibes of Q giving Picard another lesson in self discovery). S2 has its issues, of course, and some of the dialogue does feel very network tv, but I think the biggest issue in, both, s1 and 2 is that there isn't enough time. Enough time to show rather than tell us.
Some of the story was done more through verbal exposition rather than by taking us through the steps. Raffi's baggage with her son/family and her addiction, her relationship with Seven, in the first season, having to weave the Romulan storyline, the synthetics storyline, Jurati, Rios, Picard. All of that crammed into, not the old school 24-26 episodes, but in 10. So many elements had to be squeezed in and jumps and workarounds and shortcuts to get there.
And therein lies why I have a bigger issue with s1 than s2. While, s2 was a more straightforward timeline/time travel storyline courtesy of Q, the first line had all the above mentioned elements that had to be weaved into that season. To me, that's where the big split lies. I don't find the story in s1 or s2 significantly superior to the other or the dialogue better in one over the other, but... The Romulans plotline, introduction of the Qowat Milat, the Borg plotline, the conspiracy angle, the synthetics storyline, Picard, the rest of the crew, Soong's legacy, Data's finale. It was too much to do with too little time/few episodes.
I think Michael said it best, the first two seasons were uneven.
Also, doesn't help that I'm not a big fan of the Federation as a dystopian future. I like my grit and dystopia and dysfunction and the down and dirty, but that's what shows like Walking Dead, GoT or some of the others are/were for. I want my Federation to be squeaky and aspirational. But, our collective desire for more 'real', 'gritty' programming across the board has slowly infected all of our viewing experience. We want a dark, gritty Punisher and Daredevil. We want it from our GOT/HotD fantasy, we want it from our post-apocalyptic zombie/parasitic futures. We even see it in SW. The OT had some darker, gritty moments, but it was always optimistic. But, as that generation of fans got older, we didn't outgrow the OT, but we moved on to desiring more of that cynicism that we cloak in the name of 'realism'. Hence we get to the point where Jedi are portrayed as flawed and fallible (when their earliest appearances treated them like they could walk on water).
Luke says the Jedi's legacy is one of failure. Yeah, sure. They held the peace (this may be retconned in the not too distant future) of the Republic for 10000 years (I see that it's listed in imdb as 1000, but I swear I saw this in the theater and it was 10000 - I feel like it may have been edited more recently to fit in with the current timeline), but a Sith Lord holding it for 20-25 or even 30 years of that 10000 or even 1000 years is a legacy of failure. So, by percentage, the Jedi were great 97% of the time (if it was 1000 years) and failed 3% to Palps/Vader or, if we go with 10000, 0.3% of the time, but their legacy is failure. By that measurement, I guess the Mongol Empire, Alexander the Great, Roman Empire, etc, all failures b/c they eventually failed/fell...
The point is that, this series had an uphill battle to fight with me from the word 'go', but within the premise they've chosen to establish, I find the series... acceptable, if not, as Vogel said, uneven.
star trek USE to be the gentleman scifi but modern trek is all boom boom and that is the problem
I'm sorry, fellas... ST:IV was the bad one? ST:V was the Undiscovered Country?? Oho, I think a couple of my favorite folks are getting a visit by Section 31 to have their Trek cards yanked.
🤣
Do you even Star Trek bro? Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
So I think you said that Star Trek the Motion Picture was a great movie.
That movie had a science fiction premise of a giant all knowing computer wondering about the meaning of life.
What is the science fiction premise here? That spaceships can shoot phasers at you?
When you shoot a dog in a film it's to generate sympathy. So what's the difference when they kill off characters in Star Trek Picard?
Isn't there a million soap operas and cop shows where every relative gets sick or gets killed or runs away or is found 20 years later? And a million crime TV shows where wives hide their children from their father?
Why on earth would you do that to our heroes? Why would you have them fight like children?
Why would you have drug deals and Raffi torturing a prisoner, and Worf looking on, making ridiculous speeches about what is right and wrong! Why would you have seven want to quit her job as first officer?
Terry Metalas doesn't understand Star Trek. He's treating it as a normal drama without morals or meetings and messages or an important science fiction device context.
Further, why did it take three episodes to finally have some character development for Picard and Riker? We could have watched the entire Star Trek 4 movie.