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I am operating under the assumption that Thor's arrival on Midgard occurs one year later in this timeline. I presume that is why Erik Selvig is not with Jane and Darcy who remark they are here to observe the asteo phenomenon for the second time. This would line up more closely with when Age of Ultron occurs. If Nebula is hanging around Thor, we might assume that Thanos is not a threat again and so the battle of New York never happens. There is still an Avengers initiative though so one assumes they are formed for a different reason but without Thor. It is plausible to then assume that without Thor and Vision the Avengers are defeated by Ultram in his new Vision body.
That Infinite Ultron is from another universe, since The Watcher was actually surprised by it, and yes, the characters we've met are coming together, because Uatu... Must intervene!
Infinite Ultron is a multiversal menace, so as you say, Uatu will intervene and make a team: Captain Carter, Tchalla Star-Lord, Doctor Strange Supreme, maybe a character from the zombies episode, Killmonger, Thor and Gamora
i took it as, Well he is just a "Watcher" he isn't all knowing, so he was "watching" what happened and relaying that to us, the Audience, and by the end of the episode we just caught up to real time. I don't think he can tell the future.
@@capjoe7017 but we don't know if that was in the past or happening currently. or maybe Ultravision showing up happens at the same time at the the threshhold breaking in Loki season finale, and the whole multiverse is starting to fall apart
They were both holding back. They mentioned multiple times how Thor destroyed an entire planet, or at least a meteor big enough to be mistaken for one. Seems like that went over a lot of peoples head.
Yeah, many reactors didn't seem to catch that and just though Cap Marv was just being a "loser". Thor for lack of better words was the bad guy of this episode. I used the term bad guy loosley of course.
I’m thinking it’s infinite Ultron, he’s collected all the stones and can now move from universe to universe destroying the multiverse. With the Watcher being surprised by this he’ll interfere and bring the heroes of the multiverse together to stop infinite Ultron!
Which is why he even got multiple Dr. Stranges... Does the one from episode 4 still have all that dark power from the mythical beasts and gods he absorved?
@@joshbourne9679 Near the end, when Strange finally gets *SPOILER* Christine back, the entities seems to be fleeing and he returns to his vampiric look... Did they retreat inside his body or did they flee because the universe was imploding and remaining there meant their extinction? I hope he still has his them and hopefully get to see a more controlled version of him with dark powers.
I think it's definitely infinite ultron with his completed ultron body. That said I don't know how likely it is that it's from another reality. For one do we know if the stones work in alternate realities? Loki seemed to suggest that they didn't with the TVA.
In this episode, the every character is voiced by their MCU actor... with the exception of Brie Larson. Sam Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Bautista, Grillo, Taika, Karen Gilliam, Katt Dennings, Hiddleston, etc...
@@Rated314 No, none of the Warriors Three, Drax, or Frigga were voiced by their original actors. In fact, Volstagg and Drax were both voiced by Fred Tatiascore, who voices most animated incarnations of The Hulk.
That was Ultron with all the Infinity Stones. He had Vision's body because it was meant to be his body originally, and since in this universe Thor isn't an Avenger it follows that the events of "Age of Ultron" didn't happen the same way and the Vision doesn't exist.
Yes but without Loki, the scepter with the mindstone never arrives on earth. Even then, if Thanos sent someone else, without Thor they couldn't have won the chitauri invasion. Didn't also get any proof that Cptn. Marvel got involved.
That Ultron is not from this same universe, its from a universe where the events of Age of Ultron culminated with the defeat of the Avengers and thus Ultron was free to conquer everything
@@mairisberzins8677 like not the one brother Thor universe, but instead a universe where Ultron transferred his body to vision and got all the stones which is why he can maneuverer through dimensions
I have the feeling that Ultron/Vison somehow has the ability to travel between different timelines ( Parallel universe of the MCU as these stories follow What If events from the MCU while also sharing the same artistic designs and appearances of these hero’s and villains) which is why the Watcher was so surprised leading to him forming a group of hero's from across all the timelines we've seen throughout these episodes to defeat Infinity Ultron pretty much another infinity War.
1. Thats ultron Remember in age of ultron His mision was to create the perfect body for himself and that was vision But the avengers ruined his plan and uploaded jarvis in it now this ultron suceeds in geting in that body and from there colects the infinity stones 2. Its prety much hes from another universe Yes in the comics infinity stones only could be used in their respective universes but in the mcu this confirms that infinity stones can be used in other universes except in the tva which could probably reside in the quantum realm
@@joshbrosh6626 technically yeah but I just threw in vision as I’m pretty sure most people wouldn’t just thought “hey vision” but yeah this is definitely Ultron in the body of vision incased in armour like Iron Man. On the topic of universes idk I’m personally aiming for this being an Ultron from this universe who’s just traveling between the different possible timelines of the MCU universe as it does share the Vision MCU design. But yeah like you said could make a whole other universe something I don’t think we’ve seen yet connected to the MCU besides Loki where we saw two galaxies which many theorised were two Universes.
@@joshbrosh6626 Yeah there was also an advert for a car where we saw party Thor driving into Ultron’s robots in the desert so no doubt this episode will be the Avengers of What If
There were hints she has been a geek for a while. She wears a Fringe shirt, so she is probably a big fan. We can add Marvel Geek to the list though. Haha
@@MichaelPallada It's funny because she didn't react at all the first couple Stan Lee appearances but after a couple she would get super excited whenever she saw him
Honestly the thing that surprised me the most was that at the end the Watcher was surprised. Even if after that initial surprise he was like “oh well”. I know his whole thing is “ I cannot intervene” but does anyone else get the feeling that we are building up to something where he eventually will have no choice but to intervene in something?
He never really states to know all really, he's a watcher it's in his title, he's there to watch and it's pretty clear that he watches universes 1 at a time instead of watching all of them at once hence why he is suprised
@@gear2902 if he was watching constantly he would've known that Ultron created that technology that allowed him to travel different universes and you stole that knower thing from blind waves reaction to this episode
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Thor actually won the first round despite goofing around while Captain Marvel was taking the fight more seriously. He tackled her into the ground, put the hammer on her chest and basically told her to stay down, then walked away. Even the dialogue afterwards between Maria Hill and Carol makes it clear he had the upper hand.
And in that dialogue Carol clearly states she was holding back. As we saw in the fight Thor’s attacks only make her stronger unless he lays Mjolnir down on her lol
Can you guys cut the crap, it was an indication that both are equally powerful as they overwhelmed each other scene after scene. And maybe in the future, they would work as a tag team. These comparisons of power levels are the root of toxicity among the fandom .
@@omarlopez3914 captain marvel was definitely trying to knock out Thor. She held back enough so that it wouldnt be dangerous to others around her. But she was still going out against him.
@@jamesblack7186 Thanos decked Thor wis ease and was about to put his own axe in his chest. Cpt Marvel was able to bend Thanos hand backwards and take a straight punch to the face without even as much as a flinch. To me it seems like they nerfed Cpt Marvel in this series where in the movies, she would best Thor with ease.
But Thor wasn't even trying here, he was laughing most of the time and only told her that he felt that one once. Also Thor isn't at full power, since he gains Odin force in Raganarok without the hammer. However, this versions of Thor and Captain Marvel are stronger than their MCU versions. I just wish they would go on a date instead of fighting. lol
Most importantly this is phase 1 thor. This thor almost got his ass handed to him by mark 6 Iron Man, grew up unchallenged and relies on his hammer as a source of power. I am almost shocked that he held his own without even trying to really hurt her.
Keep in mind, Thanos easily pummeled Thor in Infinity War. Even when Thor had both Mjormir and Stormbreaker in Endgame, he struggled against Thanos. Meanwhile, Carol was holding Thanos down with one hand. He literally had to use an infinity stone to get her away. So... I think I'd still put my money on Carol. We'll have to see how powerful he is in Love and Thunder.
Nah, the Thor v Marvel fight had the same cop out the comics use: "they were holding back the whole time!". I guess that still results in arguing, but my point is, it's ultimately inconclusive, and while the hints that Danvers is stronger are more obvious (in a tell, don't show kind of way), there's definitely also evidence for the reverse to be true (in a tell, don't show kind of way). It's a poor writing practice, but it was intentional to keep the answer uncertain, sadly. Captain Marvel has the upper hand when they're fighting in the US desert, but Thor comes out on top after their skirmish in the clouds moments later, when they land back at the party and everyone mocks Carol. The episode makes Thor appear weaker because the characters incorrectly assume that nukes will hurt Thor, but not Carol (which we are only told, not shown). Remember however, we've seen Thor survive a sustained, concentrated blast from a neutron star forge that was capable of melting Uru metal, so it's incredibly unlikely that the nukes would actually hurt him. They also repeatedly hint that he destroyed a celestial object large enough to be confused for a planet which is why they're afraid of his "invasion" in the first place (again, we are told, not shown). He downplays it himself in the episode, potentially to appear harmless- he could have actually just destroyed a planet as far as the audience can tell. Thor's not exactly the most reliable narrator, considering he lies about the effects of his party throughout the entire episode. Like I said, there's just as much evidence to suggest that Thor may be the stronger one, but the writers ultimately refused to definitively answer.
Wdym Thor would have died from the neutron star damage in Infinity War had it not been for Stormbreaker which he doesn’t have here. Something like the energy of a star would only make Carol incredibly stronger
@Mr Glass AFAIK, Kamala is normal in terms of physical strength and durability. When she uses her Polymorph abilities she can increase her size and mass to be far stronger. She is inexperienced however, and I don’t think energy absorption is in her power set. She uses the name Ms. Marvel because she is an Avengers fangirl, and Cpt. Marvel is her favorite. To my knowledge, Monica and Carol allow her to take the Ms. Marvel mantle.
She was nowhere near beating him plus it ended with the hammer on her & she couldn't move if anyone won that fight it was thor with that move also side note they both were not at full power so him saying she almost beat him is at most laughable
*Everyone:* whew man after the last few episodes it'll be nice to have a lighthearted episode with a nice ending for once. *Marvel:* I can do this all day *Everyone:* heh heh my heart's in danger *Marvel:* I missed the part where that's my problem
Definitely wouldn't say Cap Marvel bested Thor. At most it was a stalemate, but I think they were both holding back. I did like that Cap Marvel wasn't a complete wet blanket and came back at the end to help Thor. It was a fun episode
@@darkmiseryTC I love that you mentioned that. But also non of the other moments that make Thor as powerful in the sacred timeline happen in this one. He never lost nobody here. That been said I think party Thor was giving his 100%.
@@pkay4405 Maybe with a straight shot from Stormbreaker but Cap Marvel is a lot more mobile than Thanos is and less susceptible than Thor is to physical attack. So unless she believed too much in her power like Thanos did in the Infinity Gauntlet, I think Marvel would win. It'd be fun to watch though
By far, the funniest episode of What If to date. So much laughs throughout. We are now down to the last two episodes this season. I have no idea what we're in for, and I can't wait.
i will never get over nick fucking fury sniffing a dead asgardian corpse and who i assumed to be nick fury smacking the shit out of tiny hank pym though despite how dark the rest of the episode was
Thor took the full force of a star, in case you need a science refresher, stars are just giant self sustaining hydrogen bombs in space with the equivalent of hundreds of nukes going off every second. I'm pretty sure he could handle a nuclear punch from captain marvel.
Not that I want to go into a debate of this. But Captain Marvel in the comics has the way more strength than a nuclear punch. She draws the same powers as a White Hole (the same type that happened during the Big Bang), which is way more than a simple star.
Yeah that was Thor after Ragnarok where he managed to control his powers and became much stronger, in this episode we got Phase 1 Thor who had even trouble fighting Iron Man
@@madselmvig1457 I don't really mind debating stuff like this as long as everyone realizes it's just a silly debate about made up people so there is no need to get upset about it. It's when people are getting genuinely upset over this stuff that I check out of the conversation. That being said, I don't think we should be taking comic book power levels into account for MCU discussions. I'm no comic expert, but I know that really crazy stuff happens with practically every character in the comics and every character will have wildly different power levels from one issue to another. I am perfectly fine saying that Captain marvel's upper limit has not been shown in the movies, the only thing that has even slowed her down at any point was an infinity stone punch, literally every other thing she has come up against since removing the inhibitor she either breezed through without so much as a scratch or was buying time essentially pretending to be struggling so others could get away.
@@ItchyNavel I agree, that was also why I mentioned that I didn't want to debate, since here online debates tend to go from fun to hostile in a second. And correct that the MCU is different to the comic book universe (CBU), many has, to take an example, also gotten their powers in different ways. In the CBU Captain Marvel indeed has no upper limit according to Hank Pym, as she has the ability to absorb any non magical energy and use it to enhance her already superhuman powers, so they can go with that in the MCU also.
@@madselmvig1457 That's all well and good, bringing in the comics, but then you look at Thor and he's shattered a portion of reality, lifted infinitely increased weight, taken a reality destroying bomb to the face, it's actually ridiculous how much more powerful he is in the comics. And this is coming from someone who understands that it's all dependent on the writer and that it's all fiction and fun. But they boosted Captain Marvel 50 times what she is in the comics to the point where in Endgame she was so much more powerful than Wanda, Thor, Hulk etc. that it broke the suspension of disbelief and stakes for me completely. The final moments of the final battle of the Infinity Saga was not the time to have Captain Marvel absolutely no-sell Thanos' headbutt and overpower him with one arm, she should have never been made to be so broken, let alone at such a crucial moment of the film where it makes Thanos look pathetic where he should feel like his most threatening.
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It was Ultron in the superior body that he had Dr.Cho build in Age of Ultron... Which of course looks like Vision, bc Ultron designed him not Stark. The Mind Stone always called to the other stones, So I believe Ultron sought purpose after taking over or destroying Earth. It's Superior Ultron with all six stones, with a vibranium body and the face of vision.
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The vision from ending could be from a universe where The Avengers failed to retrieve Visions body before Ultron uploaded himself. With the mindstone he could have easily eradicated humanity and obtained rest of the infinity stones on earth at that point. From there on, there would really be no one to stop him. Like if his meteor hit and wiped everyone out, that leaves him with just 1 goal: find rest of the infinity stones
It was a blast to hear so many actors reprise their roles in the ep (particularly Jeff Goldblum!) and the fight between Thor and CM was awesome. And Ultron in Vision's body WITH the Infinity Stones is pretty much the ultimate baddie the MCU could achieve, so it will be interesting to see how this all turns out. Also it's fun to think that maybe the Loki we see in this reality is the same Frost Giant Loki we see the TVA reference when they are explaining variants to Loki.
I love that it shows Ultron at the end in his "Perfect" body that he was making, and having access to the mind stone, be able to go collect all the stones
@@Bonuloft yes, I have seen Endgame. They go back in time and grab the infinity stones from their own universe Earth-199999 and just drag them across time. Remember, the fact that they took them back to the instants that they were taken, prevented the formation of branch realities. We have no bit of anything to show that the MCU infinity stones work across the multiverse.
@@Rated314 Just wait for the season finale and you’ll see I’m right ;) but that is not how time travel works in the MCU, they explicitly say that they are not grabing the stones from their own universe.
@@Bonuloft that they had to time travel shows that they did; indeed, grab it from their own universe. When Banner and The Ancient One were talking, TAO stated, that if she gave Banner the stone, it would cause a fracture in the timeline, resulting in a new reality. Thisnis where Banner countered with, "what if we bring it back to the moment it left, it would be like the stone never left".... TAO agreed, and we know they did take them all back... and since they were returned to the same time that they left, no alternate timeline was created. When did an alternate timeline happen? Loki and the Tessaract, but we also know that timeline got pruned. Each What if... is a separate universe. Hell, we've got 3 Tony Starks so far. One killed by Pym, One killed by Killmonger, and a Zombie killed by Wasp. Explain how that can happen in one universe. Also evidenced by the fact that we have Zombie Thanos with a nearly complete gauntlet, and Ultron with a complete gauntlet.
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Hey, Holden and Jen! A frat boy comedy this week! Here's my take on Episode 7: The point of divergence was during Odin's war with Jotunheim when he returned foundling Loki to Laufey rather than adopting him. Thor, Loki, Sif, Surtur, Jane Foster, Darcy Lewis, Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Phil Coulson, Brock Rumlow, Grandmaster, Topaz, Nebula, Korg and Howard the Duck are all voiced by the actors who portrayed them. Hemsworth and Goldblum have a blast! Fred Tatasciore and Alexandra Daniels, who voiced Drax in Episode 2 and Captain Marvel in Episode 3, respectively, reprise their roles. Josette Eales replaces Rene Russo as Queen Frigga, Max Mittelman replaces Josh Dallas and Zachary Levi as Fandral, David Chen replaces Tadanobu Asano as Hogun and Fred Tatasciore does double-duty replacing Ray Stevenson as Volstagg. All the subs are reasonable facsimiles except for Frigga who uses a British rather than a Transatlantic accent. There are unvoiced cameos from Heimdall, Yondu, Skurge, the Skrulls, Valkyrie, Rocket, Ayesha of the Sovereign, Einherjar guardsmen, Contraxian fembots, Miek, Mantis, Ravagers and Sakaaran gladiators. You know it's a crisis when the party atmosphere affects Pennsylvania Dutch country! Lol. Darcy and Howard are my fave couple of the year! Thor and his cronies fix Stonehenge, Rushmore, the St. Louis Arch, the Millennium Wheel, the Statue of Liberty and, inadvertently, the Leaning Tower of Pisa! The creators of this episode absolutely SAVAGED Captain Marvel providing joyous vindication for the many Marvel fans Brie has aggrieved: 1. Calling her a 'party-pooper' was the nice way of calling her a word that rhymes with 'witch'. And they did it repeatedly to my utter delight! 2. The finger-pointing mass ridicule! Brilliant! 3. Getting bashed in the head by Mjolnir as a callback to Thor's test of her mettle in "Endgame". 4. Darcy's quip about "her ego writing checks her skills can't cash"! Ouch, that one hurt so good! 5. Thor pinning her with Mjolnir for a time-out! 6. Thor telling her to smile and loosen up! She comes off as a sour shrew most notoriously during cast interviews! 7. Maria Hill dressing her down and dismissing her safety from a nuclear strike without REALLY KNOWING if she'd be okay! Priceless! Her ardent admirers got fan service, too, when she withstood Thor's clobbering, got her licks in, was acknowledged by Frigga and tried to cover for Thor. The coda was an intrusion from the multiversal Big Bad, Infinite Ultron! Vision encased in Ultron armor studded with all six Infinity Stones! While Ultron has never possessed the Infinity Stones in the comic, he has threatened Universal existence three times: 1. The comic book event "Age of Ultron" in which he conquered an alternate reality by attacking the past from the future through a Vision-proxy! 2. The comic book event "Annihilation: Conquest" in which Ultron led the techno-organic hivemind species known as Phalanx against the rest of the galaxy. 3. The comic book event "Ultron Forever" in which Ultron defeated Odin and absorbed the Odin-force in an alternate future. Next week, the crossover begins with the Gamora episode!
From what I interpret as the 'sacred timline".. its not just the main mcu timeline. Its like multiverses threaded neatly together in a way where yes..they may differ..but certain points in time and events happen an all. But the bits in between - the getting to the events - are unique. So it may be that the sacred time is woven in a way in which thanos never succeeds in whiping half the universe, for example. That on every universe there is an "avengers" that defeats him. Whether its different variants of same heroes, or a different make up of superheroes. As such I am of the belief that all the main characters from each episode are going to come together as an multiversal avengers team
11:35 That was Ultron in vision body I think it will be What if Ultron succeeded Like in the Average age of Ultron he was trying to translate his mide to vision body
This is the first episode where almost all of the characters were voiced by the original actors. This episode was an homage to 80's John Hughes movies where the teenager throws a party and has to clean up before the parents arrive. Like Weird Science where the biker gang make a mess and Kelly Lebrock magically cleans the house.
Vision's body was created by Ultron to be his ultimate body, so maybe that actually happened in this reality, and he used that power to collect all the Infinity Stones and can now travel through time at will.
Remember Vision is named by Ultron. He was the one who originally built the Android body & was planning on uploading himself into it before the Maximoffs swapped sides and helped the Avengers steal it. Tony then uploaded JARVIS into it instead to create our Vision. That appearance at the end looks like "What If there was no-one to stop Ultron from becoming the Vision and gathering the infinity stones?"
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The reason that Ultron looked like Vision at the end is that Visions body was originally created for Ultron, to be his "ultimate form" if you will, until the avengers stole it and put Jarvis in it to make the Vision we know
i lovedd this one it serves as a perfect pallete cleanser from the darker episodes we've been getting. just a lovingly crafted homage to those late 80s early 90 Rager comedies with that NICE reminder that this is a marvel universe so we gotta have the biggest scariest bad at the end, Ultro-vision wearing his old Ultron body as a vibranium suit of Infinity armor, absolute dread at that thought, next week is bound to be a good one
Ultron got his body back and collected the stones... maybe stones that do work in other universes or he's merging them so they work in any universe?? Idk obviously but I'm excited to see how it plays out.
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5:36 I feel like they missed the opportunity to say “you want me to put hammer down” when I watched it with my mom we said it at the same time and disappointed to hear that he didn’t say it.
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I think this was actually after the Chitari invasion (except Thanos used someone other than Loki to lead the charge) and therefore immediately after or during Ultron. Tony has already had his breakdown.
All actors that did their voice on this episode came back, although Characters only seen like Rocket and Valkyrie didn't really spoke on the episode so they didn't came back since no voice lines to do
Seems kinda obvious to me that it's Ultron, I mean what body was he trying to put himself into in Age of Ultron. Maybe in this universe he just succeeded witch is kinda cool imo :D
that's not really vision. that body was built by ultron and intended for himself. in main MCU timeline vision body was booted using jarvis framework creating the vision, but here it appears it's ultron itself.
The end of the episode it shows us that in this universe, Ultron won and his "Vision" became what he wanted it to be, his final body, as opposed to Vision as the character we know. Because people from across the galaxies were on Earth for that party, the Infinity Stones kind of all collected in the same area so once Ultron ended up being created and won, he could get them all for himself, hence how he was able to open a portal at the end there. That's what I think, anyway.
Positively my favorite episode. And the Easter Egg extravaganza was far more extensive than any episode thus far. The twist at the end definitely leads into already teased episode (s).
Maybe Ultron comes from further ahead in this What If’s timeline? If Loki doesn’t invade Earth in this timeline then the Avengers maybe don’t assemble and therefore Ultron isn’t defeated…the only problem with that is that if Loki doesn’t invade then the Mind stone (Loki’s staff) isn’t on earth.
Some parts of this episode reminded me of old Disney cartoons especially the animation style and the story reminded me of 1980s teen movie i thought i was a great episode it brought some nostalgia to me specially the story
Hey wait a minute....if Thor was never cast out of Asgard then Odin never would have put the "worthy"enchantment on the hammer so that no one could pick it up..Captain Marvel should've been able to lift the hammer...lol
I think that originally only Thor could lift Mjolnir, then Odin put that spell and added that also those who are worthy can to shame him and teach him a lesson. So this Mjolnir can probably be picked up only by Thor, there is no "if you are worthy" option
@@StefSubZero270 Thor wasn't even the first one to wield it. The hammer presumably belonged to Odin and it was passed down to Hela. It probably acted like Stormbreaker in that anyone powerful can wield it. Thanos even managed to grab Strormbreaker and try shoving it into Thor's chest
That's Infinite Ultron, and I'm pretty sure he's the reason why the heroes from various universes/different episodes will come together to battle against him. Remember how in Age of Ultron, Vision's body was originally gonna be used for Ultron's before Tony put JARVIS inside it? Well, Infinite Ultron managed to have Vision's body for himself.
P.s. Remember... The Vision was Ultrons Vision. He built his Vision. That was his ultimate form. He spends the entirety of Age of Ultrom upgrading his body until he got the vibranium to make his final form which avengers then stole and turned to our Vision by putting Jarvis
I took the ultron moment as ultron from this universe made by Hank Pym because i heard he created him in the comics. And he made the vision body (as he planned in the mcu) and got the stones
Well,Thor was very arrogant in the first movie. This is saying that Loki was what kept him as grounded as he was. It was if Ultron downloaded into the Vision body in AoU like Holden said. And I think this takes place after AoU, but without Thor.
@@joshbrosh6626 but does it tho? Loki was the one to kick start the 1st movie. Without Loki there he wouldn't have been banished to Earth. And Jane didn't know about SHIELD in the 1st movie. So I'm thinking the events of the 1st Thor was pushed back to after AoU.
So, Vision's body was originally meant to be Ultron's body so I guess it's Ultron but with some cool battle armour that's being used to wield the Infinity Stones
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I was very confused since Earth's biggest partier at the time (Tony Stark) wasn't at the Universe's biggest party that was on _his planet_ but I guess he was dead or under mind control or something from Super Ultron
Tony's actually probably dying from Paladium poisoning since this is Iron Man 2 ish timeline wise. If Fury is worrying about this, then Tony is an afterthought for him. Ultron is from another universe. that's why the watcher is surprised.
I mean, there is a scene from the trailer where we see the heroes from the What If... episodes stand together, and we also see the bad Doctor Strange talk to Captain Carter. I can't wait to see these episodes come together
I saw the exhibit almost 2 years ago and it was amazing! Holden will love it! They have some of the Sam Raimi Spider man props like the goblin balls. Have fun!
I don't really know what people are expecting from Captain Marvel. I mean, she's extremely powerful. That's how she's always been written. Do they want the MCU to dumb her down just to appease their fragile little egos or something?
Well whops. That really was Vision at the end, but Ultron Vision with all the Infinity stones. They are in trouble, they could barely handle Ultron in his normal form. I do love that Jane sent Frigga on Thor to make him behave, haha!
It looked like Ultron/infinity gauntlet Vision. He has the Time Stone possibly and maybe…Pym Particles. Basically the Ultimate Vision and his Ultron Minions.
yha i was wondering when the bad part is going to be but nothing was shown even the watcher was surprised but it goes to show the watcher can do something to help our heroes. But man i find it wholesome when she says your full name and you know that's a keeper when your girl says your full name when she's angry.
This was originally supposed to be episode 5 and Zombies was supposed to be episode 7 which might be why the Watcher was more material in the Zombies episode
Now that i think about it, New York 2012 never happens because loki doesnt want to impress odin, so maybe the avengers never really get together, or at least not that quick. Tony never thinks about building a suit of armor around the world cause the chitauris never came, so Age of Ultron doesn't happen, I could go on... but from here on the timline could branch in so many more ways
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Yeah ultron made vision like it was supposed to happen . The stones tho?b
Ummm.. That link above seems to open the same video.
Vision inside Ultron...... Holding all the infinity stones.
I wonder how ultron got the soul stone.
I am operating under the assumption that Thor's arrival on Midgard occurs one year later in this timeline. I presume that is why Erik Selvig is not with Jane and Darcy who remark they are here to observe the asteo phenomenon for the second time. This would line up more closely with when Age of Ultron occurs. If Nebula is hanging around Thor, we might assume that Thanos is not a threat again and so the battle of New York never happens. There is still an Avengers initiative though so one assumes they are formed for a different reason but without Thor. It is plausible to then assume that without Thor and Vision the Avengers are defeated by Ultram in his new Vision body.
That Infinite Ultron is from another universe, since The Watcher was actually surprised by it, and yes, the characters we've met are coming together, because Uatu... Must intervene!
If he doesn't then he has to in season 2
@@JacksonLane02 There's trailer footage of them teaming up
his name isnt uatu in this series
Infinite Ultron is a multiversal menace, so as you say, Uatu will intervene and make a team:
Captain Carter, Tchalla Star-Lord, Doctor Strange Supreme, maybe a character from the zombies episode, Killmonger, Thor and Gamora
@@manuelarnauda supreme spiderman from the zombie episode i think
Honestly, the fact that the Watcher was actually surprised by the Ultrons coming through the portal scares me more than anything.
You hit the nail on the head bruh
i took it as,
Well he is just a "Watcher" he isn't all knowing, so he was "watching" what happened and relaying that to us, the Audience, and by the end of the episode we just caught up to real time. I don't think he can tell the future.
Exactly! Like dude literally watches disasters for a living how the hell is he scared now 🤣
@@capjoe7017 but we don't know if that was in the past or happening currently. or maybe Ultravision showing up happens at the same time at the the threshhold breaking in Loki season finale, and the whole multiverse is starting to fall apart
They were both holding back. They mentioned multiple times how Thor destroyed an entire planet, or at least a meteor big enough to be mistaken for one. Seems like that went over a lot of peoples head.
Thor laid the hammer down on captain marvel 😂
Yeah, many reactors didn't seem to catch that and just though Cap Marv was just being a "loser". Thor for lack of better words was the bad guy of this episode. I used the term bad guy loosley of course.
for fck sake! they're both very powerful. enough of this childish bickering.
Well it wasn‘t mentioned who destroyed the planet, it could be just the beam
His party destroyed it. Not him specifically. Seems like that went over your head
I’m thinking it’s infinite Ultron, he’s collected all the stones and can now move from universe to universe destroying the multiverse. With the Watcher being surprised by this he’ll interfere and bring the heroes of the multiverse together to stop infinite Ultron!
Which is why he even got multiple Dr. Stranges... Does the one from episode 4 still have all that dark power from the mythical beasts and gods he absorved?
@@CCgivemeawedgy I think he does, he’s supposed to show up again in either episode 8 or 9 so we’ll hopefully have answered soon enough
@@joshbourne9679 Near the end, when Strange finally gets *SPOILER*
Christine back, the entities seems to be fleeing and he returns to his vampiric look... Did they retreat inside his body or did they flee because the universe was imploding and remaining there meant their extinction? I hope he still has his them and hopefully get to see a more controlled version of him with dark powers.
@@CCgivemeawedgy hmm I think maybe they just went into him? Cause where would they go? But they may have left I don’t know.
I think it's definitely infinite ultron with his completed ultron body.
That said I don't know how likely it is that it's from another reality. For one do we know if the stones work in alternate realities? Loki seemed to suggest that they didn't with the TVA.
That is, in fact, Chris Hemsworth portraying Thor
In this episode, the every character is voiced by their MCU actor... with the exception of Brie Larson.
Sam Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Bautista, Grillo, Taika, Karen Gilliam, Katt Dennings, Hiddleston, etc...
@@Rated314 And Natalie Portman came back to voice Jane, and Renee Russo as Frigga
@@Rated314 No, none of the Warriors Three, Drax, or Frigga were voiced by their original actors. In fact, Volstagg and Drax were both voiced by Fred Tatiascore, who voices most animated incarnations of The Hulk.
@@Rated314 trust Brie to be a wet blanket.
@@DaWozzMan she isn't obligated to...
Wow. I’m proud that Jen was able to pick up that it was Vision/Ultron at the end before Holden did. Look at her!
That was Ultron with all the Infinity Stones. He had Vision's body because it was meant to be his body originally, and since in this universe Thor isn't an Avenger it follows that the events of "Age of Ultron" didn't happen the same way and the Vision doesn't exist.
Yes but without Loki, the scepter with the mindstone never arrives on earth. Even then, if Thanos sent someone else, without Thor they couldn't have won the chitauri invasion. Didn't also get any proof that Cptn. Marvel got involved.
That Ultron is not from this same universe, its from a universe where the events of Age of Ultron culminated with the defeat of the Avengers and thus Ultron was free to conquer everything
He also must’ve learned the secrets about the multiverse from Doctor Strange and created his own portal to get there.
@@mairisberzins8677 he's from another universe dummy 😂😂😂😂
@@mairisberzins8677 like not the one brother Thor universe, but instead a universe where Ultron transferred his body to vision and got all the stones which is why he can maneuverer through dimensions
It's actually not vision but ultron. Ultrons plan was to use the vision body as his new one...just didn't work out in the og timeline
I have the feeling that Ultron/Vison somehow has the ability to travel between different timelines ( Parallel universe of the MCU as these stories follow What If events from the MCU while also sharing the same artistic designs and appearances of these hero’s and villains) which is why the Watcher was so surprised leading to him forming a group of hero's from across all the timelines we've seen throughout these episodes to defeat Infinity Ultron pretty much another infinity War.
That makes so much sense. Maybe he will even appear in the cininematic universe of the MCU.
1. Thats ultron
Remember in age of ultron
His mision was to create the perfect body for himself and that was vision
But the avengers ruined his plan and uploaded jarvis in it now this ultron suceeds in geting in that body and from there colects the infinity stones
2. Its prety much hes from another universe
Yes in the comics infinity stones only could be used in their respective universes but in the mcu this confirms that infinity stones can be used in other universes except in the tva which could probably reside in the quantum realm
@@joshbrosh6626 technically yeah but I just threw in vision as I’m pretty sure most people wouldn’t just thought “hey vision” but yeah this is definitely Ultron in the body of vision incased in armour like Iron Man. On the topic of universes idk I’m personally aiming for this being an Ultron from this universe who’s just traveling between the different possible timelines of the MCU universe as it does share the Vision MCU design. But yeah like you said could make a whole other universe something I don’t think we’ve seen yet connected to the MCU besides Loki where we saw two galaxies which many theorised were two Universes.
@@CaptainAmercia we shall see cuz im prety shure i saw on the midway teaser an age of ultron episode
@@joshbrosh6626 Yeah there was also an advert for a car where we saw party Thor driving into Ultron’s robots in the desert so no doubt this episode will be the Avengers of What If
Loving Jenn caught on about the Vision Ultron! And had all of the infinity stones! She's truly a geek now!
And the fact she freaks out everytime Stan Lee is mentioned or pops up
One of us! One of us!
There were hints she has been a geek for a while. She wears a Fringe shirt, so she is probably a big fan.
We can add Marvel Geek to the list though. Haha
@@MichaelPallada It's funny because she didn't react at all the first couple Stan Lee appearances but after a couple she would get super excited whenever she saw him
I love the idea that every episode the “creeper” gets creepier love you guys!!!🤣
3:32 That look that they both gave each other when Thor said that! 😂👀
Honestly the thing that surprised me the most was that at the end the Watcher was surprised. Even if after that initial surprise he was like “oh well”. I know his whole thing is “ I cannot intervene” but does anyone else get the feeling that we are building up to something where he eventually will have no choice but to intervene in something?
He never really states to know all really, he's a watcher it's in his title, he's there to watch and it's pretty clear that he watches universes 1 at a time instead of watching all of them at once hence why he is suprised
@@gear2902 if he was watching constantly he would've known that Ultron created that technology that allowed him to travel different universes and you stole that knower thing from blind waves reaction to this episode
@@gear2902 no, it's just that the watcher isn't a god and doesn't know or see everything, he even stated he wasn't a god
The watcher :- i
Jen: you
The watcher:-am
Jen:-are
The watcher:- the watcher
Jen:-the watcher
The watcher:-good , i am the watcher
Jen:- the creeper returns 😂
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Thor actually won the first round despite goofing around while Captain Marvel was taking the fight more seriously. He tackled her into the ground, put the hammer on her chest and basically told her to stay down, then walked away. Even the dialogue afterwards between Maria Hill and Carol makes it clear he had the upper hand.
And in that dialogue Carol clearly states she was holding back. As we saw in the fight Thor’s attacks only make her stronger unless he lays Mjolnir down on her lol
@@omarlopez3914 Thor didn’t even get a scratch after getting punched by captain marvel so many times even he was holding back
Can you guys cut the crap, it was an indication that both are equally powerful as they overwhelmed each other scene after scene. And maybe in the future, they would work as a tag team. These comparisons of power levels are the root of toxicity among the fandom .
@@omarlopez3914 captain marvel was definitely trying to knock out Thor. She held back enough so that it wouldnt be dangerous to others around her. But she was still going out against him.
@@jamesblack7186 Thanos decked Thor wis ease and was about to put his own axe in his chest. Cpt Marvel was able to bend Thanos hand backwards and take a straight punch to the face without even as much as a flinch. To me it seems like they nerfed Cpt Marvel in this series where in the movies, she would best Thor with ease.
But Thor wasn't even trying here, he was laughing most of the time and only told her that he felt that one once. Also Thor isn't at full power, since he gains Odin force in Raganarok without the hammer. However, this versions of Thor and Captain Marvel are stronger than their MCU versions. I just wish they would go on a date instead of fighting. lol
He gained the Odin force?
Most importantly this is phase 1 thor. This thor almost got his ass handed to him by mark 6 Iron Man, grew up unchallenged and relies on his hammer as a source of power. I am almost shocked that he held his own without even trying to really hurt her.
Keep in mind, Thanos easily pummeled Thor in Infinity War. Even when Thor had both Mjormir and Stormbreaker in Endgame, he struggled against Thanos. Meanwhile, Carol was holding Thanos down with one hand. He literally had to use an infinity stone to get her away. So... I think I'd still put my money on Carol. We'll have to see how powerful he is in Love and Thunder.
excuses carol is stronger than pre IW thor, they are equal after the Stormbreaker and thor wanting to kill thanos
they're both only putting in minimal effort here. a true fight between them would destroy the planet
Nah, the Thor v Marvel fight had the same cop out the comics use: "they were holding back the whole time!". I guess that still results in arguing, but my point is, it's ultimately inconclusive, and while the hints that Danvers is stronger are more obvious (in a tell, don't show kind of way), there's definitely also evidence for the reverse to be true (in a tell, don't show kind of way). It's a poor writing practice, but it was intentional to keep the answer uncertain, sadly.
Captain Marvel has the upper hand when they're fighting in the US desert, but Thor comes out on top after their skirmish in the clouds moments later, when they land back at the party and everyone mocks Carol. The episode makes Thor appear weaker because the characters incorrectly assume that nukes will hurt Thor, but not Carol (which we are only told, not shown). Remember however, we've seen Thor survive a sustained, concentrated blast from a neutron star forge that was capable of melting Uru metal, so it's incredibly unlikely that the nukes would actually hurt him.
They also repeatedly hint that he destroyed a celestial object large enough to be confused for a planet which is why they're afraid of his "invasion" in the first place (again, we are told, not shown). He downplays it himself in the episode, potentially to appear harmless- he could have actually just destroyed a planet as far as the audience can tell. Thor's not exactly the most reliable narrator, considering he lies about the effects of his party throughout the entire episode. Like I said, there's just as much evidence to suggest that Thor may be the stronger one, but the writers ultimately refused to definitively answer.
Wdym Thor would have died from the neutron star damage in Infinity War had it not been for Stormbreaker which he doesn’t have here. Something like the energy of a star would only make Carol incredibly stronger
At least MCU wise... Thor almost died taking a star to the face. Capt Marvel is the embodiment of a star.
The math is simple
@Mr Glass AFAIK, Kamala is normal in terms of physical strength and durability. When she uses her Polymorph abilities she can increase her size and mass to be far stronger. She is inexperienced however, and I don’t think energy absorption is in her power set. She uses the name Ms. Marvel because she is an Avengers fangirl, and Cpt. Marvel is her favorite. To my knowledge, Monica and Carol allow her to take the Ms. Marvel mantle.
She was nowhere near beating him plus it ended with the hammer on her & she couldn't move if anyone won that fight it was thor with that move also side note they both were not at full power so him saying she almost beat him is at most laughable
@Mr Glass captain marvel is not as strong as u Think also Rogue can easily beat her
Watcher: "I am the Watcher. I am you gui-"
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*Everyone:* whew man after the last few episodes it'll be nice to have a lighthearted episode with a nice ending for once.
*Marvel:* I can do this all day
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Definitely wouldn't say Cap Marvel bested Thor. At most it was a stalemate, but I think they were both holding back. I did like that Cap Marvel wasn't a complete wet blanket and came back at the end to help Thor. It was a fun episode
also it's worth noting that this Thor is likely not as powerful as Sacred Timeline thor due to the events of Ragnarok not occuring yet.
@@darkmiseryTC I love that you mentioned that. But also non of the other moments that make Thor as powerful in the sacred timeline happen in this one. He never lost nobody here.
That been said I think party Thor was giving his 100%.
@@darkmiseryTC Thor gets 2x more powerful after ragnarok and during infinity war, lol. The infinity war version of Thor would one shot captain marvel
@@pkay4405 Maybe with a straight shot from Stormbreaker but Cap Marvel is a lot more mobile than Thanos is and less susceptible than Thor is to physical attack. So unless she believed too much in her power like Thanos did in the Infinity Gauntlet, I think Marvel would win. It'd be fun to watch though
@@xfireflarex well, base Thor already beat her…
It's Ultron...in the body he made for himself before it was so unceremoniously stolen by the Avengers. With everyone partying no one stopped him.
By far, the funniest episode of What If to date.
So much laughs throughout.
We are now down to the last two episodes this season.
I have no idea what we're in for, and I can't wait.
i will never get over nick fucking fury sniffing a dead asgardian corpse and who i assumed to be nick fury smacking the shit out of tiny hank pym though despite how dark the rest of the episode was
Thor took the full force of a star, in case you need a science refresher, stars are just giant self sustaining hydrogen bombs in space with the equivalent of hundreds of nukes going off every second. I'm pretty sure he could handle a nuclear punch from captain marvel.
Not that I want to go into a debate of this. But Captain Marvel in the comics has the way more strength than a nuclear punch. She draws the same powers as a White Hole (the same type that happened during the Big Bang), which is way more than a simple star.
Yeah that was Thor after Ragnarok where he managed to control his powers and became much stronger, in this episode we got Phase 1 Thor who had even trouble fighting Iron Man
@@madselmvig1457 I don't really mind debating stuff like this as long as everyone realizes it's just a silly debate about made up people so there is no need to get upset about it. It's when people are getting genuinely upset over this stuff that I check out of the conversation.
That being said, I don't think we should be taking comic book power levels into account for MCU discussions. I'm no comic expert, but I know that really crazy stuff happens with practically every character in the comics and every character will have wildly different power levels from one issue to another. I am perfectly fine saying that Captain marvel's upper limit has not been shown in the movies, the only thing that has even slowed her down at any point was an infinity stone punch, literally every other thing she has come up against since removing the inhibitor she either breezed through without so much as a scratch or was buying time essentially pretending to be struggling so others could get away.
@@ItchyNavel I agree, that was also why I mentioned that I didn't want to debate, since here online debates tend to go from fun to hostile in a second. And correct that the MCU is different to the comic book universe (CBU), many has, to take an example, also gotten their powers in different ways. In the CBU Captain Marvel indeed has no upper limit according to Hank Pym, as she has the ability to absorb any non magical energy and use it to enhance her already superhuman powers, so they can go with that in the MCU also.
@@madselmvig1457 That's all well and good, bringing in the comics, but then you look at Thor and he's shattered a portion of reality, lifted infinitely increased weight, taken a reality destroying bomb to the face, it's actually ridiculous how much more powerful he is in the comics. And this is coming from someone who understands that it's all dependent on the writer and that it's all fiction and fun. But they boosted Captain Marvel 50 times what she is in the comics to the point where in Endgame she was so much more powerful than Wanda, Thor, Hulk etc. that it broke the suspension of disbelief and stakes for me completely. The final moments of the final battle of the Infinity Saga was not the time to have Captain Marvel absolutely no-sell Thanos' headbutt and overpower him with one arm, she should have never been made to be so broken, let alone at such a crucial moment of the film where it makes Thanos look pathetic where he should feel like his most threatening.
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It was Ultron in the superior body that he had Dr.Cho build in Age of Ultron... Which of course looks like Vision, bc Ultron designed him not Stark. The Mind Stone always called to the other stones, So I believe Ultron sought purpose after taking over or destroying Earth. It's Superior Ultron with all six stones, with a vibranium body and the face of vision.
Why are so many people surprised? "Is that vision?" like everyone forgot that vision was meant to be Ultrons body
Fun Fact: The sound the polar bear behind Thor makes at 7:45 is the exact same sound the bears in Skyrim make!
I think it's a stock bear sound effect
It‘s almost like all polar bear sound hmmm🤔
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The vision from ending could be from a universe where The Avengers failed to retrieve Visions body before Ultron uploaded himself. With the mindstone he could have easily eradicated humanity and obtained rest of the infinity stones on earth at that point. From there on, there would really be no one to stop him.
Like if his meteor hit and wiped everyone out, that leaves him with just 1 goal:
find rest of the infinity stones
It was a blast to hear so many actors reprise their roles in the ep (particularly Jeff Goldblum!) and the fight between Thor and CM was awesome. And Ultron in Vision's body WITH the Infinity Stones is pretty much the ultimate baddie the MCU could achieve, so it will be interesting to see how this all turns out.
Also it's fun to think that maybe the Loki we see in this reality is the same Frost Giant Loki we see the TVA reference when they are explaining variants to Loki.
That ending has me so hyped for the next episode!
@@gear2902 Continue. Everything is going to come together in the final two episodes.
I love that it shows Ultron at the end in his "Perfect" body that he was making, and having access to the mind stone, be able to go collect all the stones
That Ultron is going to threat the multiverse, that is why The Creep in the end will reunite the heroes we've seen throughout the series.
Infinity stones only work in their home reality.
@@Rated314 that is only in the comics. Have you seen Endgame?
@@Bonuloft yes, I have seen Endgame. They go back in time and grab the infinity stones from their own universe Earth-199999 and just drag them across time.
Remember, the fact that they took them back to the instants that they were taken, prevented the formation of branch realities.
We have no bit of anything to show that the MCU infinity stones work across the multiverse.
@@Rated314 Just wait for the season finale and you’ll see I’m right ;) but that is not how time travel works in the MCU, they explicitly say that they are not grabing the stones from their own universe.
@@Bonuloft that they had to time travel shows that they did; indeed, grab it from their own universe.
When Banner and The Ancient One were talking, TAO stated, that if she gave Banner the stone, it would cause a fracture in the timeline, resulting in a new reality. Thisnis where Banner countered with, "what if we bring it back to the moment it left, it would be like the stone never left".... TAO agreed, and we know they did take them all back... and since they were returned to the same time that they left, no alternate timeline was created.
When did an alternate timeline happen? Loki and the Tessaract, but we also know that timeline got pruned.
Each What if... is a separate universe. Hell, we've got 3 Tony Starks so far. One killed by Pym, One killed by Killmonger, and a Zombie killed by Wasp. Explain how that can happen in one universe.
Also evidenced by the fact that we have Zombie Thanos with a nearly complete gauntlet, and Ultron with a complete gauntlet.
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Jen:- creeper is here
Ten seconds later
Darcy:- we are here
I hope this is a good example of why Loki’s can look different in different timelines lol
Hey, Holden and Jen! A frat boy comedy this week! Here's my take on Episode 7:
The point of divergence was during Odin's war with Jotunheim when he returned foundling Loki to Laufey rather than adopting him.
Thor, Loki, Sif, Surtur, Jane Foster, Darcy Lewis, Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Phil Coulson, Brock Rumlow, Grandmaster, Topaz, Nebula, Korg and Howard the Duck are all voiced by the actors who portrayed them. Hemsworth and Goldblum have a blast! Fred Tatasciore and Alexandra Daniels, who voiced Drax in Episode 2 and Captain Marvel in Episode 3, respectively, reprise their roles. Josette Eales replaces Rene Russo as Queen Frigga, Max Mittelman replaces Josh Dallas and Zachary Levi as Fandral, David Chen replaces Tadanobu Asano as Hogun and Fred Tatasciore does double-duty replacing Ray Stevenson as Volstagg. All the subs are reasonable facsimiles except for Frigga who uses a British rather than a Transatlantic accent.
There are unvoiced cameos from Heimdall, Yondu, Skurge, the Skrulls, Valkyrie, Rocket, Ayesha of the Sovereign, Einherjar guardsmen, Contraxian fembots, Miek, Mantis, Ravagers and Sakaaran gladiators.
You know it's a crisis when the party atmosphere affects Pennsylvania Dutch country! Lol.
Darcy and Howard are my fave couple of the year!
Thor and his cronies fix Stonehenge, Rushmore, the St. Louis Arch, the Millennium Wheel, the Statue of Liberty and, inadvertently, the Leaning Tower of Pisa!
The creators of this episode absolutely SAVAGED Captain Marvel providing joyous vindication for the many Marvel fans Brie has aggrieved:
1. Calling her a 'party-pooper' was the nice way of calling her a word that rhymes with 'witch'. And they did it repeatedly to my utter delight!
2. The finger-pointing mass ridicule! Brilliant!
3. Getting bashed in the head by Mjolnir as a callback to Thor's test of her mettle in "Endgame".
4. Darcy's quip about "her ego writing checks her skills can't cash"! Ouch, that one hurt so good!
5. Thor pinning her with Mjolnir for a time-out!
6. Thor telling her to smile and loosen up! She comes off as a sour shrew most notoriously during cast interviews!
7. Maria Hill dressing her down and dismissing her safety from a nuclear strike without REALLY KNOWING if she'd be okay! Priceless!
Her ardent admirers got fan service, too, when she withstood Thor's clobbering, got her licks in, was acknowledged by Frigga and tried to cover for Thor.
The coda was an intrusion from the multiversal Big Bad, Infinite Ultron! Vision encased in Ultron armor studded with all six Infinity Stones!
While Ultron has never possessed the Infinity Stones in the comic, he has threatened Universal existence three times:
1. The comic book event "Age of Ultron" in which he conquered an alternate reality by attacking the past from the future through a Vision-proxy!
2. The comic book event "Annihilation: Conquest" in which Ultron led the techno-organic hivemind species known as Phalanx against the rest of the galaxy.
3. The comic book event "Ultron Forever" in which Ultron defeated Odin and absorbed the Odin-force in an alternate future.
Next week, the crossover begins with the Gamora episode!
From what I interpret as the 'sacred timline".. its not just the main mcu timeline. Its like multiverses threaded neatly together in a way where yes..they may differ..but certain points in time and events happen an all. But the bits in between - the getting to the events - are unique. So it may be that the sacred time is woven in a way in which thanos never succeeds in whiping half the universe, for example.
That on every universe there is an "avengers" that defeats him. Whether its different variants of same heroes, or a different make up of superheroes.
As such I am of the belief that all the main characters from each episode are going to come together as an multiversal avengers team
11:35 That was Ultron in vision body I think it will be What if Ultron succeeded
Like in the Average age of Ultron he was trying to translate his mide to vision body
In Age of Ultron, Vision's body was originally made by Ultron to be his own new body. So, yes, it is Ultron in the body he intended to have.
This is the first episode where almost all of the characters were voiced by the original actors. This episode was an homage to 80's John Hughes movies where the teenager throws a party and has to clean up before the parents arrive. Like Weird Science where the biker gang make a mess and Kelly Lebrock magically cleans the house.
Vision's body was created by Ultron to be his ultimate body, so maybe that actually happened in this reality, and he used that power to collect all the Infinity Stones and can now travel through time at will.
Visions body was ultrons best version of himself that he was supposed to be so makes sense
The watcher blinked right before the ultron army emerged. he hasnt ever blinked before
Remember Vision is named by Ultron. He was the one who originally built the Android body & was planning on uploading himself into it before the Maximoffs swapped sides and helped the Avengers steal it. Tony then uploaded JARVIS into it instead to create our Vision. That appearance at the end looks like "What If there was no-one to stop Ultron from becoming the Vision and gathering the infinity stones?"
Great reaction from you 2. Really cool seeing UltroVision. And I loved seeing Captain Marvel fight Thor. Especially the hand to hand moment.
oh my god, i went to the marvel exhibit when it was in philadelphia and i swear it was absolutely marvelous! literally amazing and as a marvel fan, jaw dropping. such an amazing experience im glad you two can enjoy
As im watching this Star Wars Visions just released and i can not wait for you to watch it!
The reason that Ultron looked like Vision at the end is that Visions body was originally created for Ultron, to be his "ultimate form" if you will, until the avengers stole it and put Jarvis in it to make the Vision we know
i lovedd this one
it serves as a perfect pallete cleanser from the darker episodes we've been getting.
just a lovingly crafted homage to those late 80s early 90 Rager comedies
with that NICE reminder that this is a marvel universe so we gotta have the biggest scariest bad at the end, Ultro-vision wearing his old Ultron body as a vibranium suit of Infinity armor, absolute dread at that thought, next week is bound to be a good one
Ultron in visions body: clearly shows up.
Holden: that can’t possibly be ultron or vision.
Ultron got his body back and collected the stones... maybe stones that do work in other universes or he's merging them so they work in any universe?? Idk obviously but I'm excited to see how it plays out.
Tell me how I got distracted during the opening and missed that I was the comment of the day!!! Then during the episode I heard the “you said my full government name” comment. I was like wait a min REWIND…… THAT’S ME!!! ❤️❤️❤️ Thanks guys👍🏾
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5:36 I feel like they missed the opportunity to say “you want me to put hammer down” when I watched it with my mom we said it at the same time and disappointed to hear that he didn’t say it.
Ok, someone NEEDS to make a gif of Jen saying the creeper returns😂
February Jenn-I know nothing on the MCU other than the Hulk is in it.
September Jenn-Recognises Vision before Holden.
Now just needs the t-shirt with the Cap "I get that reference" meme.
Glad you're enjoying!
I think this was actually after the Chitari invasion (except Thanos used someone other than Loki to lead the charge) and therefore immediately after or during Ultron. Tony has already had his breakdown.
I enjoy a lot the fight between Thor and Captain Marvel, no issue with her.
All actors that did their voice on this episode came back, although Characters only seen like Rocket and Valkyrie didn't really spoke on the episode so they didn't came back since no voice lines to do
Mark 0:36. Huh? I beg your pardon, but why can't it be both? "Interesting fun!" (See, "Laugh-In"!) 🤔
Seems kinda obvious to me that it's Ultron, I mean what body was he trying to put himself into in Age of Ultron. Maybe in this universe he just succeeded witch is kinda cool imo :D
that's not really vision. that body was built by ultron and intended for himself. in main MCU timeline vision body was booted using jarvis framework creating the vision, but here it appears it's ultron itself.
The end of the episode it shows us that in this universe, Ultron won and his "Vision" became what he wanted it to be, his final body, as opposed to Vision as the character we know. Because people from across the galaxies were on Earth for that party, the Infinity Stones kind of all collected in the same area so once Ultron ended up being created and won, he could get them all for himself, hence how he was able to open a portal at the end there.
That's what I think, anyway.
The Infinity Stone Ultron had Vision's body which was his original plan from Age of Ultron. He created the Vision body to be his next upgrade.
“Watch me slide down that pointy thing”. That’s what she said.
Positively my favorite episode. And the Easter Egg extravaganza was far more extensive than any episode thus far. The twist at the end definitely leads into already teased episode (s).
it seems like there was another character that started with the name captain that told thor to put the hammer down
Maybe Ultron comes from further ahead in this What If’s timeline? If Loki doesn’t invade Earth in this timeline then the Avengers maybe don’t assemble and therefore Ultron isn’t defeated…the only problem with that is that if Loki doesn’t invade then the Mind stone (Loki’s staff) isn’t on earth.
Thor was a party guy in the first Thor movie… it was his banishment to earth that brought some seriousness to his conscience for the first time.
Did you see all the voice actors that participated!?!? Kudos to them all!
Funny, I literally just went to the marvel exhibit yesterday! You’ll love it.
My gf: Why have you started saying that?
Me: Who's to say?
My gf: YES THAT
Some parts of this episode reminded me of old Disney cartoons especially the animation style and the story reminded me of 1980s teen movie i thought i was a great episode it brought some nostalgia to me specially the story
Hey wait a minute....if Thor was never cast out of Asgard then Odin never would have put the "worthy"enchantment on the hammer so that no one could pick it up..Captain Marvel should've been able to lift the hammer...lol
I think that originally only Thor could lift Mjolnir, then Odin put that spell and added that also those who are worthy can to shame him and teach him a lesson. So this Mjolnir can probably be picked up only by Thor, there is no "if you are worthy" option
@@StefSubZero270 Thor wasn't even the first one to wield it. The hammer presumably belonged to Odin and it was passed down to Hela. It probably acted like Stormbreaker in that anyone powerful can wield it. Thanos even managed to grab Strormbreaker and try shoving it into Thor's chest
Holden: "You used my government name."
Jen: "You're in trouble."
2 min. later: *holding hands*
That's Infinite Ultron, and I'm pretty sure he's the reason why the heroes from various universes/different episodes will come together to battle against him. Remember how in Age of Ultron, Vision's body was originally gonna be used for Ultron's before Tony put JARVIS inside it? Well, Infinite Ultron managed to have Vision's body for himself.
they actually wrote Carol good in this episode
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Remember...
The Vision was Ultrons Vision. He built his Vision. That was his ultimate form. He spends the entirety of Age of Ultrom upgrading his body until he got the vibranium to make his final form which avengers then stole and turned to our Vision by putting Jarvis
I took the ultron moment as ultron from this universe made by Hank Pym because i heard he created him in the comics. And he made the vision body (as he planned in the mcu) and got the stones
Well,Thor was very arrogant in the first movie. This is saying that Loki was what kept him as grounded as he was.
It was if Ultron downloaded into the Vision body in AoU like Holden said. And I think this takes place after AoU, but without Thor.
In the timeline this takes place 1st thor movie
While ultron with the stones probably comes from another universe where in age of ultron he won
@@joshbrosh6626 but does it tho? Loki was the one to kick start the 1st movie. Without Loki there he wouldn't have been banished to Earth. And Jane didn't know about SHIELD in the 1st movie. So I'm thinking the events of the 1st Thor was pushed back to after AoU.
So, Vision's body was originally meant to be Ultron's body so I guess it's Ultron but with some cool battle armour that's being used to wield the Infinity Stones
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is really good and Marvel reaffirmed its canonicity in 2019 through a book. You should watch it, especially since Jen called Coulson “(your) guy”.
I was very confused since Earth's biggest partier at the time (Tony Stark) wasn't at the Universe's biggest party that was on _his planet_ but I guess he was dead or under mind control or something from Super Ultron
Tony’s a changed man by 2011, which is after Iron Man 2.
@@AqwDragulum He's no Iron Man 1 Tony, but he likes his fun
Well, since Tony dies in any single episode he appears, I guess he is already dead :p
Tony's actually probably dying from Paladium poisoning since this is Iron Man 2 ish timeline wise. If Fury is worrying about this, then Tony is an afterthought for him. Ultron is from another universe. that's why the watcher is surprised.
In the comics Thor was a massive party guy in his youth (which lasted centuries).
People please remember this is pre-awakened Thor. Not half as powerful as as he is in infinity war and he held his own against Captain Marvel
I mean, there is a scene from the trailer where we see the heroes from the What If... episodes stand together, and we also see the bad Doctor Strange talk to Captain Carter. I can't wait to see these episodes come together
I saw the exhibit almost 2 years ago and it was amazing! Holden will love it! They have some of the Sam Raimi Spider man props like the goblin balls. Have fun!
I don't really know what people are expecting from Captain Marvel. I mean, she's extremely powerful. That's how she's always been written. Do they want the MCU to dumb her down just to appease their fragile little egos or something?
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Well whops. That really was Vision at the end, but Ultron Vision with all the Infinity stones. They are in trouble, they could barely handle Ultron in his normal form.
I do love that Jane sent Frigga on Thor to make him behave, haha!
Thor: pins Captain Marvel with his hanger after a fairly even match.
Holden: well she pretty much beat Thor there
It looked like Ultron/infinity gauntlet Vision. He has the Time Stone possibly and maybe…Pym Particles.
Basically the Ultimate Vision and his Ultron Minions.
Its Vision wearing the equivalent of iron man armor (but consisting of Ultron armor) and powered by infinity stones.
yha i was wondering when the bad part is going to be but nothing was shown even the watcher was surprised but it goes to show the watcher can do something to help our heroes. But man i find it wholesome when she says your full name and you know that's a keeper when your girl says your full name when she's angry.
it wasnt vision it was Ultron who completed his plan of transferring ultron into vibranium body
That exhibit is coming to Columbus in November. I can’t wait.
This was originally supposed to be episode 5 and Zombies was supposed to be episode 7 which might be why the Watcher was more material in the Zombies episode
Now that i think about it, New York 2012 never happens because loki doesnt want to impress odin, so maybe the avengers never really get together, or at least not that quick. Tony never thinks about building a suit of armor around the world cause the chitauris never came, so Age of Ultron doesn't happen, I could go on...
but from here on the timline could branch in so many more ways