Since the Smooth Patch, Sims 4 lost its right to exist. and even before, I preferred laggy Sims 3 over the boring gameplay of S4. Sims 2 UC is what I play when I want to relax, S3 is what I play when I wanna so somethingm
Exactly. I want to give the Sims 4 props for the improvement but it really doesn't add anything new or better enough for me switch over from sims 3. I haven't even reinstalled it since changing computers.
@@kariissmol9172 I started playing Sims 3 again with the smooth patch a week ago and the only thing I’m missing is the build & buy improvements Sims 4 has but I gladly give up having nice homes for the gameplay Sims 3 delivers
I strongly believe that the "free" toddler update was intended to be DLC, but EA decided against it because someone realized how much backlash there'd be.
I agree. It's way too convenient that they just had a "toddlers and pools" pack ready to go, and that those features were absent from the base game despite being around for basically the whole franchise. I am convinced they tried to make it a stuff pack and people reacted too badly.
Remember when you could have your teens skip school, and they had a WHOLE TOWN to use up their time, and there was a chance they could be found by the police. Remember when you could have your sim physically walk to their work if you wanted. Or you could look at the world view and see if there was a party going on and you could just roll up and crash it. The Sims 3 was ALIVE. It was a living breathing thing.
I miss the school bus rocking up to your house every morning, and honking if your kids were late, and driving off if they took to long, so your kids could miss the bus and you'd have to take them to school in your car.
Why are you remembering it like you could never experience it again? I installed Sims 1 lately and had a blast with it! I will be playing Medieval 10 years from now for sure! You can pllay old games! What is it with immediate one time consumerism. Watch old movies, listen to old music and read old books for yourself, not only for your peers to have a conversation about!
@@Noaartetc In my experience, at least when it comes to games, a lot of newer PC:s can’t play older games like the sims 2 and 1. I’ve updated my computer recently and something about the update made me unable to launch the sims 2, so that might be a reason why.
@@Noaartetc It's not that Sims 3 can't be experienced again, literally no one has ever said that, but that Sims 4, the sequel to TS3 and therefore what should be an improvement on the previous games is just worse instead.
One super hollow thing in the sims 4 that annoys me is that guests in my house will literally tear the place down, try to play games on my sims' laptops, use their exercise equipment, prank their toilets and bake 4 cakes. If I even try to prepare some chips and salsa in my close friend's or my parents house to eat during movie night, I'll be forced to stop because it's nOt OkAy.
Thiss. In the sims 3, you can actually kick someone out and get kicked out yourself if you're doing inappropriate things in people's houses. E.g. taking a shower in somebody's house is counted to be inappropriate if you don't have a great relationship with them.
@@euphrasiepolly5575 that couldve made new gameplay where sims can ask eachother permission to do something and depending on theyre relationship and personality, your sim would either be told they cant do it, or they would be allowed to do it
@@euphrasiepolly5575 They get annoyed also if you have a good relationship with them in s3. I play sims 3 currently but i have played sims 4 too and in both i had to buy a trait for lifetime happiness wishes that enables you to do whatever in other people's houses
I played the parents. I got into my daughter's house, very hungry, and tried to serve the meal. My daughter stopped me, saying it's inappropriate. I was like, YOU UNGRATEFUL BRAT!! I RAISED YOU GODDAMMIT.
Sims team: create a style is too much for the game, a colour wheel would break the game Also the sims team: here’s a colour wheel! Paint your dogs purple, and your cats yellow✨
Imagine if that color wheel and painting aspect were for sims and objects as well. They can add a few brushes, like freckles, scars, tattoos for sims. That'll be helpful to create and share skins. Make sims as unique as you want. And for objects patterns could be added, not a ton like Sims 3 but a few basic ones could go a long way with Sims 2 create a style and a pattern saving feature like Animal Crossing. A few more features could go a long way.
Yeah, I think they forgot that they made the Sims 3 work. How can you make that work, yet the sims 4 is just shit. The tiniest thing will break the game, while TS3 could endure a shit ton. What are they doing????
That game was 50% off after a month of its release, IIRC. I didn't hear about the negative reviews but was a huge fans of Sims 2 and Sims 3 growing up so I scooped it up thinking I was getting *such* a deal. I was so angry to find out there was no refund option.
I never entirely forgot because I refused to buy it until the toddler update happened... then I was interested. Toddlers are one of the better things they've added into the game and they're still only so-so. (Also, random genetics have taught me toddlers have their own genetics so tweaking their toddler form does nothing to their teen and up self.) I actually love the toddlers, they're at least better than the pets, one of the best things we've ever gotten for family simmers, but it's still disappointing most of the time.
I wasn't really big into the sims community until a couple years after TS4 release. I couldn't get my parents to buy it at release because of the price and I already had TS3. However, oddly enough...I was playing the living hell out of the TS4 CAS demo 😂😂. I finally convinced them to get it for the Black Friday sale under the condition that I couldn't play it until Christras (I really tried... but that agreement later went right out the window btw). The dumb thing about it is I knew going into it that there wasn't going to be toddlers. I was absolutely blown away when I saw the animation of a baby aging up. 😭 Looking back... I was a total 🤡 for being surprised. Like they said no toddler wtf did I think would happen? 😂 To this day that animation is so wild to me.
sims 3 story progression is insane...i could literally walk down the block and see a dude cheating on his wife with a merman. i played ts3 after ts4 so that level of drama is something i had never seen before in the franchise
Oh gosh, even in your own household there could be chaos! I made one with four couples living together (a little wild, but fun) and I saw that one of the sims was mad and I was confused because I was preoccupied with someone else, until I saw her boyfriend cuddling on the couch with someone else's boyfriend and I'm just sitting there like, "Oh... OHHHHHH!" XD
Thing is, there was a very vocal part of the community that hated the story progression. I didn't play TS3 much because I hated the aesthetic, but when I did I do remember having a mod to stop my playable Sims from marrying randos (I am a heavy rotational player)
Towns in the Sims 4 are already split into neighborhoods, the neighborhoods should be open world. Would probably be less laggy than having the whole town open world
I have always loved this idea. The fact that neighborhoods aren't open world is so confusing to me. Especially for places like Hanford on Bagley, San Myshuno or Sulani to name a few that would greatly benefit from it.
Wait until they update it to make it open world after feverishly stating they can't. Like with pools, toddlers, spiral stair, and bunkbeds they'll hype open worlds up as a "brand new feature" and the cherry on top make cars a kit (after adding 3 basegame cars of course)
@@VRiderB An open world is not something you can patch into a game. You would have to recode the game from scratch to be able to handle an open world, which basically means making an entire new game.
the closed word really is my biggest gripe with the sims 4. i never take my sims anywhere because of the loading screen, and not taking your sims anywhere makes the game boring really quickly
true and also the loading screens for the kind of computer i have is agony because they can take so long to finish loading. i'd rather wait for the surrounding environment to render than wait for a lil plumbob to finish spinning
This is the one!! Before sims 4 released, i played sims 3 at.east 4 hours a day! I did A LOT in sims 3 (still do) and as amid my favourite was the seqsonal festivals, and obtaining the unicorn! In sims 4 i dont even visit my neighbours anymore? My sims in a 5 simmer household almost always get lonely, because theres no time to socialise? All their days are wake up. Eat. Do work tasks/homework. Eat. Shower/work/school. Eat. Sleep
Haven't played Sims 4 in ages but, yeah - that's one thing that stuck out to me the most; loading screens. Another thing was how the world maps looked. In Sims 1, 2 and 3 - the house were just small models on a huge map, and gave you this cool overview of your neighbourhood. In Sims 4, iirc, there was this weird "modern" interface? A non-scrollable map(?) that animated/highlighted whatever you clicked on - making it feel less organic and living? I may remember this incorrectly, but everything felt so... disconnected. Edit: Oh, well there ya go: 7:21
I've been playing TS2 recently and it's highlighted how much TS4 tries to TELL you things instead of SHOWING you. TS4 will tell you that your sim is angry with a big red splash in the corner and then maybe several sim-hours later your sim might stomp away into another room. Compare that to TS2, where there was no UI indicator of a sim's mood (excepting the positive/negative mood or maybe more accurately 'wellbeing' scale) but you leave your sim alone for a second and they stomp on the ground, clench their fists and think about the burglar with fire in their thought bubble - you KNEW that sim was angry!! And it was lasting, that sim might think fiery thoughts about that burglar for days. TS4 sims are goldfish in comparison.
@@MiotaLee Oh for sure! Maybe the animations are smoother and higher quality in TS4 - I haven't played recently - but TS2 animations are full of character that make the sims fun to watch!
So well said!! You felt the Sims emotions and they could effect others in the T2! Considering the time it was revolutionary! I don’t think the T4 is. It has some great features but it doesn’t push the boundaries like the other games. Also there was a bit of humor about the older games and family play the is sorely missing!
Ffs TS4 didn't even give the Goths a big enough lot to have a garden. My broke ass "runaway" teen has a bigger lot than the Goths. I've got a big problem with that, loves.
@@maroonggirl - The Goth house is in the Gallery (no internet connection needed), or you can save the Goth house to your Gallery (especially useful if you've done changes to the house and contents), and then download the house to a new (bigger) plot > move Goths out of original house to 2nd one. Then it's your choice what you do to original house - and your choice what you want to add to 2nd version.
The game’s release should have been delayed and I’ll die on this hill. I fully believe that because of the way the game was fundamentally built in such a rush there are features such as cars or the color wheel that can never be implemented in the game. But that doesn’t stop EA from click baiting us or hinting at them to keep us interested and coming back.
As sad as it is to say that’s how almost all games are being released to soon to satisfy investors because they think it’s ok to sell us dlc that is meant to be in the game by the creators I would rather wait for a finished game than by something that’s not done and then having to pay for dlc’s to make it complete
I don’t think cars will ever be implemented. Unless you had an entire new world system. There are a lot of worlds like windenburg and the one from eco life style that don’t even have roads? It would at best be a teleporting ability.
My humble thoughts on the Sims 4: Moods being the driving factor in the way sims act in the sims 4 is why the gameplay feels so shallow. People’s actions aren’t driven primarily by fleeting emotions… they are driven by their aspirations and their relationships with others. Making whether someone is feeling “playful” or “sad” the driver for their decisions is not going to result in dynamic characters. It’s going to result in characters who more or less all feel the same and go through the same motions as everyone else until they die.
This. Also, moods sometimes make no sense. Oh, you're feeling playful, huh? Better not fill up your needs, or have a nice talk with someone, or stand in a well-decorated room, or doing something you love, otherwise YOU'LL DIE
@@miranda9391 like seriously MCCC is a godsend, so i can remove the playful buff anytime i want. Pursuing a career in comedy is a lot more dangerous than pursuing a career in military
Cities Skylines kicking SimCity straight out of the ring makes me hopeful that ParaLives or another similar life sim will give some much-needed competition to The Sims and force EA to actually do better in order to get its sales.
@@Cervidae That's one of the reasons I stopped playing Skylines... it's not a real citybuilder like SC4 was, it's a network game with a city on top... the city part is weak and the network part is crap. Modding can help but might also break your saves (and will considerably slow your performance). The SKylines team also made very poor decisions in many domains, altough the maps are huge it's painful to have TRULY huge cities because of performance. Oh and the growable buildings size is ridiculously small. Laughable. People rushed onto Skylines because SC2013 was terrible... but it's NOT a great citybuilder, at all.
@@tonyzed6831 Skylines is a traffic simulator with a perfunctory game slapped on (its why its so hard to go bankrupt). I gave up after trying to build nice communities and the way the game harassed me to plow everything under and just make bigger roads all the time - both SC and Skylines have a depressing expansionist mindset where growth is the only metric of success (e.g. in Sims 4 you could build a little community and surround it with farms but the game expected you to always plow those farms under to build more goddamn suburbs and strip malls because that's just what North American cities do), but Skyline i even less interested in making a city feel like a city than SC was.
I hope it's as detailed as the sims 2, and that the vehicles actually feel like they're there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for a full blown driving simulator, I just want the cars and other vehicles to have proper "arriving" and "leaving" animations unlike the ones in the sims 3 that just vanished and popped your sim out of the vehicle
LGR is a legend. I recently went back to watch his sims 3 seasons review and the amount of content that pack had compared to the sims 4 packs is INSANE
i watch LGR reviews a lot and GOD it makes me miss the quality of the sims 3 packs! i have NO clue when i started playing sims 3 (if buy the discs from target, so it was before sims 4 i believe?)
I used to be a huge lgr fan and was literally thinking about his giant chicken in his sims 4 review before she mentioned him. Idk what kind of collab plumbella could do with him but id love to see him mentioned more in the sims community!
This! I noticed at some point that my sims barely leave their home lot (other than for work and school) because all of the fun of traveling died with the open world concept.
It's almost impossible to travel if you play more than one sim in a family. Either they all have to go, or you leave sims behind and they don't do what you tell them to for the hours you leave them behind.
The open world was never the problem with Sims 3. It was the way they programmed the game. It was horribly coded and they programmed it for (outdated) 32-bits systems when most people already had 64-bits. There are plenty of games that use open worlds that run fine, even on older or slower PCs. If EA would’ve taken the time to correctly program an open world for Sims 4 it would’ve been able to run without much issues but surprise surprise, they chose the easy way out.
I have a low end laptop and all my expansions and stuff packs work well with sims 3 except island paradise, that's when it lags, but I can absolutely say with the sims 4, before I got my new laptop I couldn't play the game even with less EP, GP and SP without te simulation mod. So o agree, the open world was never the issue. It's on them for choosing what they feel will work for them rather than taking time to give out what we paying for.
Exactly - the Witcher 3 came out a year later in 2015, and that open world is absolutely insane. It runs a lot less unique NPCs than the Sims would have in townies, but that world is huge and feels real enough. I don't know anything about coding or game developing, but to me it feels like it should have been possible to create a good open world that runs smoothly
@@Alexandra-fz7lk same, I downloaded lots of mods that make the game smoother & followed the steps to make the sims 3 put to use my larger ram, CPU, & GHZ. It runs AMAZING!! I downloaded some reshades, lighting mods, cc, couple of mods etc and my game looks modern & plays amazingly!!
I remember playing Sims 3 and making an evil Sim and joining the Evil branch of the criminal career. Everybody, and I mean everybody *hated* her so much becoming a celebrity was almost impossible because her very presence caused everyone's opinion of her to drop constantly. The fact that she had a promiscuos reputation didn't help. Sims 4's gameplay, excluding the building is so...lifeless.
I remember having a kleptomaniac sim. She was talking to someone and I watched the friendship bar filling up, until the guy she was talking to discovered her kleptomaniac trait which automatically drained the bar down a bunch. Sims 4 would never 😂
I don't understand this whole "the sims 4 with no open world caters to lower-end computers" because I played the sims 3 on a normal laptop and despite taking forever to load at startup, I then never had to load anything ever again. And the game crashed but all EA games are badly optimized, the sims 3 just had more to it so it makes sense it crashed a lot. Meanwhile the sims 4 on that same exact computer took FOREVER to load every single lot. It took between 5 to 15 minutes to load every lot I ever visited, to the point that I stopped leaving my lot, so that made the game very fun. No seriously, if you've ever had a low end computer you know the LAST thing you want in a game is MORE LOADING SCREENS.
I feel this - I can play the Sims 3 on my laptop and I deal with some lag but at least the game is all there and once it's ready to go it's ALL ready to go. But with a few mods and cc, the Sims 4 takes a long time to load up, and then add the sit-through time for loading screens, it's probably on par with the initial wait for Sims 3? Or close? (I really should time it one time lmao) Putting it this way: both games take long enough to load into a house that I can go and make a coffee, and when I get back there's a possibility that I'm still waiting 😂
Honestly it feels more like an excuse than anything else for the lack of content provided, I have a gaming PC myself but even I get lag when I play TS4 but I can also run a much more demanding game technology wise and only experience occasional lag that really only comes while I'm loading into a game
To be perfectly honest, I loved the anticipation of the sims3 loading screen when I was younger. It really got me excited about all the things I wanted to do and made it feel like an experience you have to sit down for
I played sims3 on and old computer and loading was rough but I was able to play all packs plus a lot of stuff I bought online. Got a newer computer and sims 4 and it's okay, but houses take forever to load.
For me, the sims 4 has so many more glitches it turns me off playing it. The only problem with sims 3 was it would crash on my computer if I played it for too long without saving, but the sims 4 has so many more problems. I have had sims die because they wouldn’t load a command to eat etc. most of my sims 4 gameplay is me waiting for a lot or a command to load.
Someone (I think from Nintendo) once said something about a delayed game being good eventually, but a game released too early likely being flawed forever. The Sims 4 is a far better game in 2021 than at release, but the flawed structure underneath everything still shines through.
@@tenzinfernandez2822 Yup, there are games that no matter how long they get delayed, they'll always turn out bad. Its called development hell and its pretty usual nowadays, Cyberpunk and Anthem being the most known examples.
An open world doesn’t have to mean it crashes all the time. The Sims 3 has insane memory leaks and never deals with it’s trash so even on the best gaming computer it will overload it, it’ll just take longer. Open world and story progression make these problems really obvious really fast but they aren’t the actual cause of the problems. There is no reason why we can’t have open world run completely fine in a future Sims game as long as the devs actually pay attention to what’s going on in the back end rather than just hoping for the best and blaming it on our computers when shit inevitably goes wrong.
They sure love blaming the technology. When new gen consoles came out they “announced” that Sims 4 would load faster on those consoles. Like no duh! How about you fix the loading issues for all consoles?
it also isnt optimized for newer graphics cards and wasnt even back in 2013 (that may explain why we remember ts3 running smoothly on our old pcs and like crap on todays expensive gaming pcs)
I mean, open world causes more issues with lower end computer and causes more lag. I genuinely hope that we don’t get open world in the next game for the sake of optimization, lag, and overall smoother gameplay. I hope we get semi-open world though, I hate that we have a loading screen for our neighbors house but im fine with a loading screen here and there.
i’ve been thinking about how much i miss the gossip social interaction actually giving you real gossip on the townies in TS3. now i realize this doesn’t exist in TS4 bc the townies don’t do anything, i just spend days setting up their storylines every time i start a new save:// i would die for the option to hear my neighbors spill the tea on who’s flirting with who, who got promoted, who had a baby etc. but it’s just not gonna happen
I didn't even think of that. TS4 doesn't even have rudimentary gossip does it? TS2 had sims gossip about other sims - usually when a household sim had peed themselves honestly - but that's realistic to a point too I guess!
@@Nakia11798 my laptop can’t handle the sims 4 either:( luckily my sister and i are allowed to play on our brother’s gaming computer that’s still at our house while he’s studying abroad. i think he also have the sims 3 base game, i might go back and play it for a bit to see if it still holds up even against ts4 and all the packs my sister has bought for it over the years
OMG yes!! I miss it so much. It really made the game feel alive. Also, you could be the victim of gossip if you cheated a lot on your bf/gf, which was so much fun. I miss it
One of the most disappointing things in Sims 4 for me is the lack of creativity. I miss having weirdly futuristic items, it was my favourite aesthetic. Everything now is so MODERN.
Sims team: guys i'm taking out the open world system bc it gets laggy and i want everyone to enjoy the game regardless of computer specs☺🤗😍 Also sims team: *makes 30+ game packs that cost a total of $400 and took up 50 GB of space*
exactly not to mention that some games are just not meant to be played on bad computers and making a big game like the sims specifically for all computers is basically setting it up to be a bad game. like i didnt buy a $1000 pc to play a game that sacrificed key features just so that it works the same on my macbook. its annoying.
@@tsubomi7462 I get that but you have to remember, things like video games and fancy computers are luxury items. You don’t need them to survive. Coming from someone who would never in their life be able to afford an expensive pc, I would much rather people who /can/ get their money’s worth.
I sincerely miss the burglars. That was part of the thrill of playing the sims was having your sim sleep and to have that noise play while they steal your stuff, unless you had an alarm of course😆
I love to hate them 😂 your sim worked so hard to afford that couch, she doesn't even have tapestry on her walls and then that lil bitch comes in and steals it. As an adult I have to repress my anger so often that it just feels freeing to get that verbal and angry at a non existent person 😂
I just had one pop up in my game a few days ago. But I'd planned to move the family from an apartment to a house in the morning, so I'd put pretty much everything except the toilet, the beds and the burglar alarm in their inventories. He still wound up stealing the bunkbed ladder before the police arrived. XD
The best part of Sims 2 and 3 is starting a new game and trying to decide between buying a better TV or buying a burglar alarm. You always go for the better TV, expecting to earn enough for the alarm in a few days, but then suddenly, in the dead of night... Some dude in an ugly black and white sweater breaks in, steals the very TV you wasted your money on, then dips out before your Sim can wake up and call the police.
I find myself often missing the memories/ detailed family tree. I liked being able to look back and see the life i basically wrote for my sims. And honestly the 'adult' content. Like where's the sneaky little jokes that weren't entirely innocent?
YES!! The LGR shoutout!!! For a long time I only trusted his reviews on sims 4, as a lot of sims youtubers at the time seemed overly positive about the game and the first several packs that game out. Actually I'm pretty sure I ended up finding your channel through the algorithm recommending your lore videos after I watched his videos, which I immediately loved because of your fresh and nuanced perspective as well
so THIS is why the team haven't given us rich family gameplay in the 7 years of the sims franchise: they don't want us living past 1 generation and realizing how much is missing!
It’s funny bc there are achievements for having 10 or 100 generations in ts4 yet the game is made in a way that multiple generational gameplay is underwhelming at best
Honestly, I have story progression mod and I still turned off aging for this playthrough, because randomly generated Townies look AWFUL. The pre-generated ones, like Goths or Landgraabs, could use a little fixing, but townies look so, so bad and I hate having them and only them everywhere after the 2nd generation. I don't have the strength to edit every single NPC.
@@Vix_Vi Whenever I see a townie with messed up fashion sense I click on them, go into the settings of the "MC Command Center" mod, click "MC Dresser" and there I choose the option "Remove all accessories." Honestly removing jewelry, gloves and socks this way already does so much to improve their looks. I started doing this when Townies showed up with rings and bracelets over their gloves... This alters their outfit permanently so they stay like that until you change their style again. Also you can remove or copy make up through MC Dresser too. Mc Command Center is a must have mod tbh.
The fact that some nraas cleanup mods could really help with lag showed that open world wasn’t necessarily the unfixable problem EA made it out to be. There were some fixes that could’ve helped that they never bothered to include. Also, technology has changed drastically since then so to compare a game that started over ten years ago, so it’s very likely not the same issue it was back then if it has a different, better engine behind it.
there's a reason everyone tells you to consider whether you *really* want to install island paradise. that dlc in particular is supposedly super buggy. makes you realise how the rest of the game was coded if they shipped a dlc like that.
I genuinely believe Sims 4 could've been the best game if the little "blocks" your Sims would live in would be open since they're fully tinted. It'd make everyone happy since we'd have the fancy backgrounds to make the worlds feel more full but also have less loading screens to go see our neighbors, and it'd feel more lively since we'd see our neighbors going in and out of their homes to do things like take out the trash, check mail, and so on.
Yea I was thinking the other day that didn't the sims team say that when sims 4 was realised they'd be loading screens but we would be able to walk around within our neighbourhoods and interact with other sims, visit their homes, stores etc? They fully lied
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I've said since launch that "Sims 4" is a mediocre standalone game, but when you consider the franchise around it, it's an abject failure. What really annoys me is when people who have never played 2, 3, or even 1 vehemently defend "Sims 4" without understanding the complaints.
Ma'am, i had played sims 2 and 3 BASE GAME ONLY for years and during those times, i never felt bored. In sims 4, i can't go for 5 minutes without feeling like CC-shopping.
It would irritate me so much when they would look at me as if I was overreacting when I would slam sims 4. I wrote a research paper on the franchise as a final in a technology and cultures class and as such, I've come to understand how important this game has been to the gaming community and the invlusivity it brings. They did amazingly on adding the new CAS options, but otherwise it's an incredible disgrace to such an important franchise.
@Harold Cleveland You can have your opinion, but it's not an educated one (and therefore not worthy of any credence) unless you've actually tried all the games. If you've only ever eaten hamburgers, you don't have the qualifications to say it's the same as a fillet mignon. You like the game? Good for you, but if you haven't played the others, you don't have the bigger picture.
As someone who started with the sims 2, i'm use to a closed world. I have no problem with it. My problem is with the lack of content. Even with stuff packs, updates.. The game just feels lifeless. In the sims 2, and i am using the sims 2 as comparing the sims 4 to the sims 3 really isn't a fair comparison. TS3 had MANY features that a large sum of the playerbase loved and thus, comparing them? It isn't fair. So, i'm going with 2. The sims 2 had so much content in terms of playability. In my ts2 game i'm on generation 3 whereas in ts4 i play for maybe 50 minutes, get bored, and put down the game. Ts2? You could have fun dates, funny cut scenes (which would of been great if we could skip them, but, still), and just a bunch of random turns of events. Sims had life and depth to them. If your sim cheated on 6 women and was caught, they would likely line up to slap him. Sims 4 on the other hand, your partner pretty much reacts and then forgets about it unless you have mods. Sims 2, you have the ability to go to a pet store and buy a pet. The last game to incorporate that? Was TS2. Children who were taken by Child services could be adopted by other families not just POOF and they were gone like in ts4. In TS2 your sims could ride a bike, have a car, have different seating styles and SO much more. And all of these tiny details? Not even a trace of them in TS4. Am i asking for a game filled with billions of details? No, but having some would add just a little bit of life to a seemingly dead game. Moving on from that, i loved the memory system. I loved that my sims remembered their first kiss, i loved that my sims were haunted by fires, deaths, and so on. That was real. That was something i actually loved about Ts2. I hate that in ts4 the only way to save memories is to do it all yourself. I hate to say it but i didn't even know it was a feature until a few months ago when i saw a friend use it. There's also burglars. For many it was frightening. That was ultimately why it was axed, it was scary. Which.. fine. I can understand that. But, i'd rather have burglars stealing my toilets and sinks than a literal disease from a rodent that kills your sims. I'd rather have burglars over the ridiculous illnesses they added for pets or the fact we can't even see what our pets are requiring without a mod. Before you ask, for those who never played Ts2, yes! You could control your pets in TS2, all you needed was the cheat code for it. I miss that our pets had jobs, i miss that our pets actually seemed like a member of the family not just something you throw food at and pet once a day. My sims 4 pets have run away more often than any animal i have owned in ts2 and ts3 combined, why combined? Because ts3 is where animals were playable right off the bat and that feature is something many players liked as well. I feed them, and try to care for them as best as i can but when it comes to a household with multiple kids? It's painful. It's actually near impossible. Another thing, pets have practically no use other than to sit there and look cute.. kind of like babies really. There is nothing for them. No careers, no fun activities that involve more of the family, nothing. I'd love just something - like community pet contests, or a dog festival, or a cat carnival. Anything. Animals deserve so much more in the sims 4 and now? We have cows, chickens and such but they're essentially objects. Let's also consider create a sim/create a pet. In ts4 the options are very limited. Even with all the expansions! You're probably going 'What? No they aren't' Well, allow me to go back on my word and point out the sims 3. The content in each pack for the sims 2 and 3? practically double than what we get with each pack in the sims 4. As much as i do like the sims 4, i will never *ever* call it my favorite for the mere fact that it's so lacking in so many departments.. Gameplay, CAS, free content, features. There is just so much missing that it still, to this day, feels incomplete to me. Moving from create a sim, Create a pet is also... both.. better and worse. I dislike the lack of customization we have for animals and i know what you are thinking - "There is more you can do for animals in ts4 due to the advanced painting system" Well, no, actually that system is worse. In Ts3 and ts2 you made actual coats with layers. These layers meant, theoretically, you could make a unique dog everytime you entered the CAP. In ts4 the biggest features i can say im glad to have? The mix genetics and clothing features. And even then, the genetics in Sims 4? I don't know who did them but they would of failed biology. People, please, use a Punnett square! The last i will talk about is genetics, yes. In ts2 and 3 genetics were a actual thing. In ts2 your babies had a chance to inherit either the mom or the dad's hair/eyes/facial structures and could receive a mixture of them. They even had dominant and recessive genes present in the game. and your children could receive a skin tone on a scale from the mom's to the dad's meaning, your children would actually look related to both parents. Ts3, this feature no longer had recessive/dominant.. I.e, kids could inherit any hair color equally even if your sims hair was say bright pink and they could end up with very different features to their parents as their ancestry may shine through. In ts4 on the other hand, your sims will always look like one or the other. They may get a skintone somewhere in the middle but the game tends to lean towards the extreme. I.e, if you have a fair skinned male sim and a darker skinned female, the likely hood is they would be either that same dark skin their mother has or the same fair skin as their father. Thus families don't look, well, related. Hair and eyes work in the same fashion and it's fairly unlikely for ancestor's features to shine through, if there even is a chance. Basically, TS4 is a severely simplified version of the TS2 with some different features (though lacking a majority of basic features that ts2 had) and better graphics. My ONLY hope is that Ts5 will be a revamped Ts3 with a better open-world mechanic that wont be as laggy. Is it likely? No. It's more likely that it will be just another simplified imitation of a former game. Can i hope? Yep, so i shall hope for the best.
Totally agree. Sims 4 feels so empty. I don't mind loading to places in a closed world, but I hate how lifeless the game is. The emotion system sucks, there are so few items, the clothing and hairstyles are minimal unless you like ugly sims, and they don't even have cars yet. Also, babies as objects is always bad. In addition, the things you said about NPCS and reactions, yes. I miss burglars, and the other day I was intentionally clogging someone's drain for a task, and the guy just says hey could you not do that, and walks away. If that were sims 2, I'd get slapped, or kicked out, or in a fight; just SOMETHING.
The rodent disease is a feature from Sims 1. If you play with a hamster and don't wash your hands, it kills your sim. A lot of people requested stuff like that to be added to the game. You can't ask for depth, and then complain when you get it.
Memories system was also great tool for storytelling. Willow creek has no drama and obviously its because of lack of lore and effort but a memory system would help a lot- you go there and you see your sim's history. It could be used in creating your own neighborhoods and saves for download.
For sims 3 it can really depend on genetics at least in my game. Sometimes it can be completely random, sometimes I get a weird mix of the two colors, or on rare and a kinda cool occasion I get the grandparents hair color. Also if you wanna fix it when playing there’s a mod called ConsortHair I think
I have to somewhat disagree with your comparison in that I feel its an elevated version of sims 1, not 2. We have many sims 1 features, from sims 1 babies to closer to sims 1 swatches (though actually sims 1 had a better swatch system) . In fact, I feel sims 1 had better gameplay features actually. I don't have time to be as comprehensive as you have done, very well done, but a lot of what you state is lacking in 4 looks to be a carry over from 1.
For someone who played the Sims 4 first, I’ve actually gone back and played Sims 2 & 3. And I can actually say that I enjoy them more than The Sims 4. The only reason why I enjoy Sims 4 is because attachment to my families and mods. But I definitely think The Sims has lost its spark since Sims 3. It just feel like a separate franchise in a way. And even though I didn’t grow up with any of the other games I’m so happy I can experience them now, like I’m genuinely hooked on Sims 2 atm
I’ve played 1 and 2, and then 4 so I didn’t miss the open world, but the lack of everything else. I was so disappointed back then when I saw they didn’t cuddle in bed, couldn’t dance slowly and started being more like dolls. It’s like every sim is the same with no personality and uniqueness. Then I bought sims 3 some months ago and laughed so hard at times and got hooked so much. It m8 not be the prettiest of the games but it has its quirks. Also sims 2 is just Drama all over the Place and the want/fear system and the little details, makes it super cute and one of its kind.
Same here, been playing off and on 11 years, my neighborhoods are full into 10th generations for some families so i imposed a 2-3 child limit on most families. I may dabble in 3 for a bit but I always come back to 2
it’s such a shame that you have to download mods to do that like mc command centre. i got mccc and it has made my game feel a bit more exciting and fun like discovering who has had kids or got married or cheated, whereas in the sims 3 it was already in the game. it’s just so disappointing.
I keep coming back to the Sims 2, and after playing it for over a decade, still find little fun details that are so delightful! Everything about that game was well thought out, there was nothing sloppy about it. For example: the little facial expressions sims make when they are on the phone. The way that the lily pads on the pond change layout when you place more than one, so it looks natural. The cute little interactions you can do with kids, like cuddling on the couch and swinging them around. The adorable toddlers' laugh. Being able to meet and adopt Bigfoot! There is endless gameplay, building relationships is a delight, you never need to worry that your story is going to suck because of some unforeseen issue with gameplay. Like in the Sims 4, when they keep going to the farthest sink to wash dishes and it takes them an hour in-game. Or when you enter a competition with a 'Perfect' level item, only to lose to another contestant with a 'normal' level item. I just hate these sloppy scenarios, as they totally break immersion and make achieving anything in the game feel pointless. At the end of the day, immersion and relatability are key to having a good gaming experience.
Thing I don't understand is that there are SO many amazing open world games that work super smoothly. How come EA have not found a way to make a non-laggy game? Are they using super old game systems?
I think the issue is more the consumer. Cd red can make an open world like that because they’re selling to a more hard core market with specific set ups. Sims 4 is vastly more casual and casual gamers just don’t have the same computer power. For funsies go try and play horizon zero dawn on a non gaming focused dell laptop and watch it explode ya know?
Well the problem with Sims 3 was that it was poorly optimized. Vehicles didn't properly de-spawn, radios and TVs around town weren't ever turned off after being turned on, and sims around town got stuck due to routing issues. I've heard plenty about EA having a "get it out now, fix it later" mentality, which is probably how that happened, and the reason why they won't find a way to make it work in the future.
@@mars9986 that's really not a good take, for some players it may be that their computer is underpowered, but a lot of core issues come from EA's practices as a company. For one thing, EA games are known to be built out of spaghetti code, which is so many levels of mess that if you don't know what it is I suggest you just look it up Also, EA likes to build their own engines from scratch instead of using pre-established ones, and they're really really bad at building game engines from scratch, they just, aren't very well optimized to say the least (usually anyway, there might be exceptions) It's not that EA only uses outdated stuff or that players have underpowered PCs/consoles, it's that EA builds their games broken to begin with because it's cheaper and faster and it satisfies investors
@@elizabethb4168 Exactly. EA also forces dev teams to use engines built for ENTIRELY different games and then don't funnel any of the support resources over to help with the issues. It's a complete mess and I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to work there.
To be honest, those open world games are different from Sims 3. It requires lots of optimization and smart implementation of technology to do Sims 3 like open world well. However, I strongly believe it's possible, especially with EAs resources. But I also think there is a bit of a problem with casual gamers: one does not simply expect a 3D video game to run well on integrated graphics and low end CPUs. Casuals should either stick to consoles or think about getting slightly better systems.
I started with ts4 a few years ago and I was so confused for SO long. I couldn’t figure out how to take the babies out of the crib or why there was no negative consequences for anything. I thought I was playing the game wrong, and I kept thinking “when I figure out how to play this game it’ll be SO cool!” I was quite disappointed to find that I was playing it right…
Turning babies back into objects was a huge mistake. No idea why they did that. It was so pleasant to carry the babies around the house, grab them milk from the fridge, and then feed them standing around your kitchen.
I’m also someone who has been with the game since it first came out (I used to ruin my mom’s sims, I was like 5). I can’t tell you how excited I was for every single expansion growing up. I once cried for hours because all stores in my town were late stocking Sims 2 Pets. I keep trying to get into Sims 4, and my impulsiveness has me buying anything on sale and rushing to play, but I’ve never gotten past maybe 2 generations at most. I used to get really into stories and legacy challenges but I haven’t done the same with 4. Even after everything, it feels… hollow. Like a rabbit hole. The facade looks great, but when you delve deeper it’s kind of just…. empty. Maybe that’s because I don’t have the same child-like wonder and imagination playing that I used to, but seriously, it used to be so much fun to imagine up stories for stuff that happened during story progression. Like why random Sims suddenly had kids in 3 after you were focused on someone else for too long. Everything felt so deep.
Also agree that the gameplay in 4 just feels hollow and more lacking in general. Stuff is buggy and annoying. Like my Sims working in their dream job and getting a fear of a dead end job. Then her teen brother working part time in a cafe while in school and getting the same fear! They didn't finesse the details the way they did in Sims 2. Sims 2 had so much charm and the Sims really felt more alive, and had more personality. There's so many ways in Sims 4 where it's just glaringly low effort. Like the design of the calientes in this game. The fact that the families who come with the game have certain descriptions, but their relationships panels don't even match. I loved in Sims 2 how the neighborhoods felt so dynamic. When you opened the preloaded Sims they all had their own family tree with dead ancestors, their own relationships with other Sims in town and their own memories in their memory panel. So much fun!! My ideal Sims game would be the Sims 2 core gameplay, combined with the Sims 4 graphics, build more and worlds.
Another thing that was HUGE in Sims 3 in my opinion: *being able to visit residential lots.* People seem to overlook this pretty much always, but it adds so much realism just being able to actually visit your neighbours and stuff.
Or when they take their dinner on the toilet. I especially like when it glitches while they wash their hands so they are stuck with the plate and can't put it down anymore.
Hens . I've been playing the base game all week with no packs installed, and she still needs some help. I can't *imagine* playing it back in 2014. You need to get creative. There's a serious lack of overall things to do, especially when it comes to community lots. Also, if it weren't for the amazing people on the gallery I'd never leave the house.
I played the game on release and it was sooooooo boring that I literally didn't pick the game back up until a few months ago. No pools or toddlers, babies just jumped out of the crib as children. And there was nothing to do. I played for a few hours and just stopped for years, lol.
@@katierasburn9571 It’s so true. Especially with places like Libraries and Museums. What I try to do is exclude things from your Sims house. So if you need to use an easel, play chess, use a computer, or build a rocket ship then you have to travel to a lot where it exists. Otherwise I’d never leave the house. And then if you want those things in your house you have to unlock them in a career. It’s also a great way to take advantage of lot traits as i always use the rule “once a lot trait exists, it can’t be removed unless you renovate and pay for it”. I also try to keep lot traits reflective of the build. So if you want the “great acoustics” lot trait you need lots of space and high walls maybe. Or if you want the great light one you need lots of windows, etc.
@@CylindricalWhistle yeah that sounds depressing. I can’t imagine not having toddlers, they’re one of my favourite things in the game. And at least I can go to the pool even if sometimes I find theres not much benefit. Pools and swimming could use an update with lessons and badges, swimming skill that changes animations, a semi active life guard career as I don’t think you can actually save drowning Sims as a lifeguard. Diving boards with tricks and even contests! Slides.
I played when it launched, the lack of EVERYTHING.. it was so boring and depressing that I even cried for wasting money lmaoo. I continued to play sims 2-3 and havent touched 4 till they fixed and released more packs. Got back into it around 2018. I use the packs but its more mods and cc which make it more enjoyable.
My biggest thing is that when (if...) we get TS5, it should be open world. It's 2021, an open world is much more doable on casual gaming setups than it was when TS3 came out. (Yes TS3 still runs poorly on modern machines but that's because it's kind of horribly unoptimized lol. Open world does not need to be as bad as TS3.)
Even just open neighborhood sections. I could handle some loading - for vacation worlds, so that the only sims there are from that world instead of constantly seeing Katrina, or whatnot - but i would love to at least have sections of open world. Kinda in between, so people with shitty laptops don't have full worlds loading and slowing down? That was literally the only problem with open world that I had in S3, bigger worlds with more families were so painful on my shitty brokeass laptops or desktops that my families could afford lol. But having to load every single new lot is also painful af.
@@brittanygilbert7843 Exactly this! I'd absolutely love a full open world like Sims 3 again, but I know that's not the best move if they want to market the game to anyone, which they do now. They have a laptop mode, and their builds are so godawful because of the fact that many players cannot run a game with so many items causing lag (and also because they have crap builders, but). It's the best and safest choice to add open neighborhoods, and I still do not know why they didn't from the start in Sims 4. I expect it has something to do with the fact that Sims 4 was built from mobile tech, for a mobile app game, but instead of redoing all the work they had they just cut it up and tried to splice in some PC gaming abilities.
I dont want open world- open neighborhood (better than the one currently out) would be nice - and being able to go to the APARTMENT next door without it having to load (like they did in ts2) .
The problem I had with open worlds was whenever I wanted my sim to socialize I’d have to visit so many empty lots before I found one that was populated
Yes!! We need open world again. It’s 2021 currently and will be a couple of years before TS5. We had open world in a game that came out over a decade ago, time to go forward once again. Story progression mod helped so much with TS3’s population so that shouldn’t be an issue with devs that actually care and put in work for the next game.
When the Sims 4 first came out I went to a gaming store with my friend and when I picked the game up and said: "I'm gonna buy this", a small girl of about 10 looked me dead in the eye and said: "DON'T" :')
When I was a kid and played sims 3, my neighbors had like 3 kids and they were out on the freaking porch because it was a one bedroom house 😭😭 loved it honestly
What makes me even more angry is that everyone makes the argument that it's pointless to have cars when you don't have an open world, but the sims 2 wasn't an open world and it had cars. The cars worked perfectly in the sims 2. It's not a good excuse for something that should clearly be in the game.
@@florenciafernandez8447 For me personally, I don't think cars would work in Sims 4 because too many lots aren't near roads that you would drive on, so it wouldn't make sense to have them.
You could also fix up a car and have others help you work on it. It built up your handiness. I like the idea of creating a story of a father buying their teen the old, broken car and working on it together and then teaching the teen to drive. Good for family gameplay.
@@callmeobsequious Implies, yes, but that doesn't mean the roads would be drivable. Again, I said for me personally. I'm not expecting anyone to agree. It is what it is.
I still play the sims 3 to this day. To me it’s the complete sims experience. None of the others in the franchise come close. Once you experience the sims 3 you have experienced the best the sims has to offer...
It's not that complete because of the stupid rabbit holes and restricted gender clothes. If there's no rabbit hole and no gender restriction it will be the best thing ever
I personally disagree. No other sims game has caused me as much anger or frustration as TS3 and I was running it on a gaming PC. I'm convinced EA sold two versions of TS3. The one that worked properly and everyone enjoyed and then the one riddled with bugs, ghost towns, a story progression that did nothing and that would on occasion just refuse to load simply because you were trying to play it on a Thursday instead of a Tuesday. I jest, but it just amazes me how different our experiences are.
i feel like ts4 simultaneously has too much and too little content. i own about 3/4 of the packs and i feel like there are so many things that i’ve literally never played with just because i haven’t had the time yet (like mermaids or the acting career), but there’s also so many basic things missing that it feels empty too
ts4 has a lot of content now, but the content is very shallow, it feels like a one feet depth ocean, very wide, but very shallow. Everything is very surface value and nothing else
I remember it was so quickly after launch that the community were collectively upset at how much ts4 was lacking. And I think that made a lot of people go back to previous games or lose interest in the franchise for a long time
Every single Sims game has been a delight in it's own way. 1 was an absolutely joy. When 2 came out, I enjoyed it for many years. 3 was absolutely revolutionary with it's open world and just everything in it, I loved it. So when 4 came out I pre-ordered it for €80. I was so excited to see how they had improved the game even more this time. Silly me. It was a huge letdown. I bought every single expansion, hoping that one of them at some point would make me love this game as much as the previous ones. But it was a waste of money. It has a pretty packaging but it's all empty inside. You can explore a new pack within the hour and then you've seen everything it had to offer. Which is very little. Three things that I like about the sims 4: The way Sulani looks, the way the chickens walk and the fact that it crashes less often than the Sims 3. But in hindsight, had I known I'd pay that much money for just that, I would never have bought it to begin with. The formula to improving a game is to take the previous game and add more stuff and better gameplay to it. Not take away from it. And it's not just how hollow the gameplay itself is. Compare what you paid for a TS1/2/3 expansion pack and what you got for it in return to what you pay for a Sims 4 expansion and what you get in return. Previous games: About €20-€30 an expansion. Gameplay and items: A whole dang lot. And the game had entire furnished worlds, houses and families. Everything actually looked like the developers cared. Now the sims 4. Expansion: €40. What do you get in return? A few build/buy items, a few cas items, and a world with about 5 lots. Gameplay: 5 minutes of tutorial of said world. And the worst part of it all is? When a new expansion drops I'd probably buy it anyway. The way the sims 4 is so severely lacking you keep hoping that the next expansion will fix it. But it never does. Why not get it over with and let them just release the sims 5. And pray to god they actually invest people and money in making the gameplay great instead of this budget crap we get every single sims 4 expansion. We sure pay enough for it.
I got Sims 4 only because I was buying stuff packs for TS3 online and they offered the TS4 base game for $5. Five bucks--why not? I like it okay but it's a bit lacking.
I honestly believe this constant request of sims 5 to be released will come with it's own backlash, and simmers won't take blame for them pushing for it and EA giving us a crap game again based on simmers constantly request for it. I've heard and read this request so many times this year alone, I have zero faith in it being better, and frankly feel the Sims franchise has run its course. They should stop adding paid dlc's and just fix the current game then retire the franchise. Not like they made a loss, of people like you and I who still buy even though we not happy. Unfortunately, I honestly don't see 5 being better especially since the little we know of it has simmers divided on whether or not they are okay about being able to play with their friends and how that will work. That alone for me is a red flag because sims 4 has proven that the smallest thing is cause for dissapointment. As @plumbella said, the community can be wild (I'm paraphrasing) and already too my of us have requests o what we would like to see in the sims 5, of which I believe a lot of us will be dissapointed once more.
@@KingBasieSims4 I see your point and yes, I don't expect the sims 5 will be better either since I believe they have this 'make it cost as little as possible' thing going since creating the Sims 4. So I am not expecting much with TS5, but by my comment about it I meant that I think they're flogging a dead horse by releasing expansion packs for TS4. Might as well get it over with and move on to the next thing.
Tbh multi-tasking was a downside for me rather than an improvement lol Because they don't truly multi-task, and the sims take forever to do anything. If any other sim comes in the room they *will* start a conversation and I have to micromanage or separate them, because otherwise my sim will just stand there in front of the task she's supposed to be doing and talk. And that kind of goes hand in hand with having conversations with multiple sims which I THOUGHT would be a good idea, but it turns out I can't even go on a date without the entire bar butting in on our conversation. When I play Sims 3 its often a relief when they just do the thing they're supposed to do, and talk with one another 1-on-1. Multi-tasking just made everything so much more tedious than it had to be. I never had to micromanage Sims in previous games as much as I have had to with this one. I feel like open world could have worked in Sims 4. The worlds are so small that lag and loading wouldn't have been anywhere comparable to Sims 3. And besides that, most of the problems with Sims 3 were very poor optimization. Isla Paradisio, for example, was notorious for its lag, but that was entirely avoidable if EA had done the routing properly. Users uploaded a fixed version. This is the same reason current lag exists in Sims 4, they suck at optimizing their spaghetti-coded games. Doesn't even matter if you have a good computer or a bad computer, how much you invest in it, eventually Sims is going to lag and stop working simply because they refuse to optimize, and have a thousand different DLC's that don't work well together. Like, even though Sims 4 caters to casual gamers with lower end PCs, I can tell we are getting close to the point where EA says "Well if you're experiencing problems just play with certain packs uninstalled".
Ahh I rarely care for multitasking nowadays because it slows everything down and makes it tedious to get anything done. It's not like Sims didn't eat/watch tv/play games and talk together in ts2 and 3. They did. And it was way less annoying. I like some aspects and improvements of sims 4, but I feel that it would've been so much better as an open world. Some people treat open world with disdain because it "causes lag", but I heard that in reality it wasn't open world itself but the shitty optimization and code that caused it. And I can see for myself that even though sims 4 has no open world, there's still lag and poor optimization, so why couldn't we have some form of it anyway? And if low end pcs are going to get left in the dust anyway as the game continues, what was the point of taking away major gameplay aspects to cater to them in the first place??? (Most likely to make money for the first couple of years from players who had poor pcs though)
The only good multitasking is being able to eat and drink at the same time imo. Yes, eggs and toast with milk, please! Lol. Other than that though, yeah, you're right.
Thank you! I don't understand how people can stand the constant musical chairs and Sims running off with their plate in their hand rather than sitting at the effing table for five minutes! And it's basically impossible to have romantic conversations unless you've locked yourself into a bunker with your date.
I didn't play The Sims 4 until like 2015 and when I built my house I was freaking out because I couldn't find the burglar alarm. Also, thanks for your hard work!
Sims 2 and 3 are such charming games, full of little details and stuff, and so much to do! They made me actually want to stick to my family for a long time and see how things go, it's always very a very distinct path. In Sims 4, however, there are very few little things that make it charming, and I find myself playing for 1 hour at best and then getting bored and leaving for months lmao.
I've been playing the Sims since 1, and I remember being a bit skeptical about the Sims 2 - would it really be worth starting over, when I'd already bought all the expansion packs and downloaded so much custom content for 1? And then 2 actually came out and just revolutionized the way the game played and looked and felt to such a degree that I could never go back. And while 3 wasn't quite as revolutionary as 2, it still added so many new elements that you couldn't go back to 2 without feeling their absence. But 4 - 4 never managed that. It did some things differently, but not necessarily better, and it didn't add enough that was genuinely new. EA really should have realized that each new game has to be revolutionary, or people are just going to stick with what they're already comfortable with.
I am so glad I never had issues with the open world in Sims 3 and I don't even play on a high end computer. Instead I use a notebook and it never lags for me. Even when I play with all my expansions and literally so many mods and cc items
Same! I've always played the Sims 3 on MacBooks (I currently have a MacBook Air) and I've never had a problem with the game aside from the occasional game crash.
I never had too many problems with Sims 3 until recently, aside from long loading times when starting the game up, and slight lag in build/buy mode (and I used lots of CC) but recently my laptop has been getting older and slower in general so the lag has been getting worse to the point where it's almost unplayable. (Yes I've downloaded mods to help with lag, unfortunately I think it's just an issue with my computer in general.)
Maybe I was oblivious or maybe those old Windows PCs were fcking A1 but I don’t remember the sims 3 being that laggy for me (even when I got all the expansions, except for island paradise 🙄😂) For the most part I would play the game nonstop on the weekends/during breaks in the school year so I would keep the game open on my computer for maybe 3 days before it started to get laggy n unplayable (so I’d have to restart it) It did take FOREVER to open tho, so knowing that alone I can’t imagine how hard it must’ve been for some ppl to play it
Right, it worked pretty well for me. Loading it up did take a long time but I'd just do something else in the meantime, go to the bathroom and make a cup of tea and scroll Twitter. Once inside the game it largely worked fine. The only other thing that caused issues was create-a-sim but that's because I downloaded a shitload of CC which took forever to load, particularly since the game would load swatches as individual items (they really did a good thing by changing that in TS4). I'd circumvent that problem by creating placeholder sims, place them in the world, and then enter CAS via NRaas Master Controller where I had selected the option to view CAS in compact mode (only one swatch per item would load). That worked a charm, though in the future I may look for a mod that automatically makes CAS compact like that :P
I played the sims 3 a bit when I was younger but I never could get into it bc it crashed every single time I tried to play and was really buggy. I prefer ts4 just because it actually runs and for me is relatively lag free. I was overwhelmed by the open world and prefer the closed world anyways.
This is just a theory, I'm not a computer buff, but people might have trouble with it because of 1) the lack of a frame limit and 2) the fact that most new graphics cards aren't even recognized by TS3. I believe there's a program that can adjust your graphics rules to make it work, similar to the TS2 Graphics Rules Maker. Once I did that on both my old and new laptops, they were able to run TS3 really well (too well-I had to get an FPS limiter both times, lol). There's also the save bloating and stuff that's a big part of the issue, and there's. Isla Paradiso. Bottom text. But again that might help people. :P
The Sims 3 is constantly laggy for me, and that's with my 2000$ beast PC. This is because Sims 3 itself is a horribly programmed video game. One of the best video games ever created, and the only that has ever, in the entire history of gaming, actually combined both Open World and Story Progression... But still poor programming. That's most likely because of the engine itself, as well as the 32 bit it has to run in. If EA were to actually give a single F about its players, they would update Sims 3 to 64 bit so we could actually play it again properly, but they've said for the past year that they never will. Just a single change, a 64 update, would cut the lag by at least half, if not more. The rest could be fixed with even just one NRAAS mod, and you'd have an unstoppable game However... Island Paradise will never be playable. That's one world that a 64 bit update could never help. It's an unfortunate lost cause, and it is so disappointing because HOUSE BOATS. I don't even ever want to move the house boats from their port, but the fact that I could essentually have a house on the ocean?? Mind blowing
Story Progression is actually one of the main reasons I really like the wicked whims mod (or even it’s PG version) because it enables story progression at least to the point where sims are interacting and can have babies with their partners (or whoever they please 😏) according to their traits, relationship, and attraction/chemistry That’s honestly why it’s such a GOATed mod for me 😂😂
@@callmeobsequious Pretty sure it is ! I use wonderful whims and one of my sims friends found himself a wife and bought a house. I went to visit him when i saw that he has a spouse and it was weird like "since when did sims do this?" lmfaoo.
literally though it's the work of one/a small group of people working off of community donations alone doing far better work of the big corporation and its employees
I bought the Sims 4 on release, played it until I saw a baby turn into a full grown child, closed the game and never touched it again until seasons released, I was completely disgusted at the removal of toddlers. I very much hope the development team have learned from these mistakes and won’t repeat them again if or when a Sims 5 happens.
The sims 3 generations was an INCREDIBLE. I adored making sims with imaginary friends and then getting my sim to figure out how to make their imaginary friends real. Proms were cool too
Can you believe the sims 4 launched without the family tree? Family-players were never on their minds btw: lifestyles are as of today still broken babe
There are blips of time where I think “hey maybe I should now get TS4 when it’s on sale”…. Then I remember all the flaws it has and how they’ll continue to stack up, because the base itself is flawed
@@krisb.1565 Why buy on sale when you can get for free? There's nothing morally wrong about stealing from companies who refuse to listen to the people who made them rich
Yup. I’m the type of person who plays the same family for dozens of generations. Not having a family tree was a dealbreaker for me. I literally played TS4 twice when it first released, then I uninstalled it and went back to TS3.
The next sims game should include an open world. It has been 12 years since the release of sims 3, & computers have significantly improved. In a 2022 or 2023 release you would think they could figure out how to support on open world without serious bugs.
Seriously. There's are tons of open world MMO's now with good graphics that run fine. Heck, there's also Breath of the Wild which is open world and beautiful and NOT requiring internet to play.
Hmm, considering the state they've released the Wedding pack in I wouldn't put any faith in EA giving their team the time required to make an open world game work.
I was in my early teens when sims 4 came out. I had grown up with 2 and 3 and was so excited that I pre-ordered the jam packed base. I sat and sobbed angry tears after trying to play it because it was such a disgrace. I didn't re-download it until 2019 and I still play sims medieval more than that incredible disappointment that is sims 4.
I re-download Sims medieval on my computer. And it refuses to load. I cried for the fact I wasted money, and for the fact that I couldn't play it! It was so fun!
GOD SIMS MIDIEVAL.... I have so much nostalgia around it omgg me and my little sister made a whole midieval world with all the characters from aphmau😭😭😭
I was so excited for the Sims 4 to come out... Then I started playing it: The closed world pissed me off a lot... The lack of toddlers made me so angry, I returned the game! I literally called Origin, got my money back, and didn't buy it again for 5 years when EA had a massive sale and I bought it for $5
4:50 TS3 was laggy and stuff due to the poor hardware at the time, a modern pc can handle it just fine. Well, not TS3 since it's 32 bit, where as modern games are now 64 bit. That's definitely not the reason why they didn't do open worlds. I think it was just better for the scrapped multiplayer, as many players in one world would cause some performance issues. *Edit TS3 was also poorly coded, bugs everywhere, not to mention the last update to it broke it even more hence why it's recommended to buy TS3 on steam, before they released the broken final update.. Also, TS4 is lower res (highest texture being 1024) and lower poly (tomatoes in TS3 where round, TS4 their... sharp.) TS4 should preform significantly better at being an open world game than TS3 ever could.
I got ts4 for free one day when they were offering it… and even then to me it isn’t worth playing. It feels bland, like there’s no life or personality in the world and sims. I was so upset when it released, after playing ts3 for years just to get an incomplete game? It sucked. And I don’t like how they’re still creating new things to squeeze every ounce of money from us. Kits? What’s the point when there is cc? It seems like they’re targeting console players. IMO They need to either do a complete haul of the game and fix it, or just move on to the sims 5, which I think should be sims 2 + sims 3.
Yeah...my friend got it for free during that promotion and told me "this is so boring...idk how you can play this all the time" and laughed at me. I said "well it's a lot better with the DLC and CC...that's just the base game". They looked at the prices of the DLC and laughed at me some more. Looking back at that interaction...I'm not even mad. Lol.
I got the Sims 4 on launch - huge mistake , I was in my early teens. Even with all the updates the initial betrayal still stings. Recently went back to sims 3 and downloaded sims medieval, I don’t think I’ll be returning to the sims 4. It’s still missing the little details that make the sims 3 feel more like a life simulator. I miss the newspaper from the sims 3 lol
i remember when ts4 first came out and i bought it. i was so so excited. i've played all titles, and i remember when i first had TS1 base game. i literally played it for hours every day. and i remember TS2 base game. the same thing...i would play the standalone game by itself, every day for hours. and then when the expansion packs came out the same thing would happen. and the same goes for TS3 base game and expansion packs (not all expansions of course, but most). so sitting down for the first time trying out TS4 base game, i expected the same thing. the disappointment i felt...i can't even put it to words. the base game is still meant to be playable and enjoyable on its own. and i could not enjoy it, at all. i was bored an hour into the game, it felt empty and lacking, and i could not for the life of me create an interesting sim, nor could i find an interesting townie. i think i played it for a couple hours and didn't play again :/ i've been playing more and more now though because of some expansions and of course, mods. but the fact that the base game is just absolute shite is inexcusable to me. EA ruined one of my favourite games and i've been hoping a new life simulation franchise will be created by other company, and thankfully, Paralives seems to be going quite well. words can't explain how much i miss TS2 and TS3 and it would NOT have been difficult for EA to blend those two games, but make it more user friendly.
The sims 3 base game was amazing the only issue I had was there wasn’t enough cas not enough diversity in hair an clothes options but the base game to me was amazing it was a huge part of my childhood the only pack I ever got for it was university and that added SO SO MUCH it was like 6 packs now! I played with that pack so so much omg I’m having like nostalgic flashbacks thinking of it !
The story progression is really frustrating for me to this day. I tend to hyper focus on a family for at least a full generation, but if I do that now I have to eventually exit out and speed run a few existing families to continue their family lines! Even then I forget a lot and end up with entire towns of old people and no one else, except the family I’ve been currently playing!
Plumbella: I'm ready for a new game because it's been five years Me, after playing the Sims 2 for 20 years: I'm not done yet, think I'll stay here for another twenty years
I remember the first time my sims had a baby in the sims 4, and I was SO excited to see it as a toddler, and it turned into a child instead. I felt so robbed too. I was so upset😅
I remember when they gave the base game away for free one year during E3 and I genuinely thought it was just a demo. I spent an embarrassing amount of time looking for where to buy the full game
My darling Plumbella, surely you've heard of the recent-ish mod patch for the sims 3 that fixes the CAS and game lag by improving the amount of processes it can run at once. It is a literal miracle, could not suggest it more highly. Love ya guts!
I knew that I wasn't going to love the Sims 4 as much as past games when Origin came in and you stopped being able to share game codes. (My sister and I both used to share). It veered so very heavily into being about the money and less about the players.
I have a few friends that just have my origin password and are able to log in on their own computers. all the expansion packs are shared between everyone, but everyone has their own save files and stuff on their own computer
Oh my god I totally forgot about how much we didn’t have! We didn’t have toddlers, we didn’t have pools, we didn’t have proper hair colours, we didn’t have proper skin tones and so much more. There’s SO MUCH base game stuff we didn’t have at the beginning and though we have some of them now it’s just so hard to believe they weren’t included from the start. It really never occurred to me (especially as a console player) how lacking base game really is. Also, I agree. I love the idea of a semi open world. Sims 3 on console was majorly different to the PC version. We had semi open worlds where you could visit neighbours or pop over to the park without a loading screen, but you did need a loading screen to go outside the neighbourhood. Honestly I never realised how good we had it until Sims 4. Now I feel like my Sims never go out and about because I can’t be arsed to sit and stare at that bloody spinning plumbob for 5 whole ass minutes… and it’s honestly a shame because now we have interactive townies who text our Sims asking them if they wanna go on a date, pop to their house or go to the flea market with them. But in reality you just don’t want to. Because the event itself that lasts,,, what,,,, 4 in game hours?? just isn’t worth the constant loading screens and probable crashing of the game in the process. I feel like in order for me to make the most of my Sims being out of the house I have to *keep* them out for at least 2 in game days!!! And for the sake of a karaoke night??? It’s kind of a joke. So yeah… semi open world would’ve been grand. I also agree with what you said about the colour wheel. Honestly i don’t feel like it’s the end of the world that we weren’t gonna get create a style anymore, but the fact that they were sacrificing that for the sake of making other aspects of the game better …… and then they didn’t ..….. it just feels very disheartening. Like a lot of empty promises. To sum up I kinda get the feeling that EA hyped up that TS4 was gonna be “revolutionary” and it honestly wasn’t. And again especially as a console player who can’t get CC and mods to make the game better, I feel like I HAVE to buy all the expansions and stuff packs etc just to add more oomf to the game that should honestly have been there (for the most part) from the start anyway. The life stages are also a little disappointing, especially teens. Personally I believe teens are very vanilla in TS4 in the sense that they just feel like young adults that go to school and do homework. They look practically the same and have mostly all the same fashion as the young adults, so when they age up you barely see any difference in them! With the Parenthood pack it meant that kids and teens could go through phases which added SOME depth to them, but even then they still don’t feel like proper teens. I liked that in Sims 3 they could throw house parties and get caught by their parents; I liked that if you went out after a certain time the police would round you up and drop you home. There are also many other things that made Sims unique in older games that I feel as though Sims 4 is definitely lacking- the life stages in my opinion being one of them. ((Also on a side note I COMPLETELY forgot that TS2 had 7 life stages!!?? Can we bring this back please!????😭😭)) Sorry! Rant over! Thanks Jess for the video. I always look forward to when you have these little rants because honestly if they’re not gonna listen to the rest of us I like to hope that they’d listen to you and all the other Sims TH-camrs out there instead. You guys are really the ones that have the voice within the Sims community so it makes me happy when you guys speak your mind and get all these feelings and opinions out in the open on behalf of the rest of us….. Otherwise I feel as though the Sims team would sweep these things under the rug even more than they already do. Cheers babe we love ya xx
teens are so vanilla i agree so much! in the sims 3 which i played the most back then i remember how amazing the generations pack was because you COULD DO SO MUCH WITH TEENS AND KIDS AND LIKE YOU COULD HAVE SECRET HOUSE PARTIES OMGGGG also can you imagine having a time travel pack for the sims 4 lmao sims 3 was so good already and the expansions felt like expansions
I remember following the Sims 4 throughout pretty much it's entire pre-release period, and they had such huge ambitions for how open the game was going to be, but I remember that they started to do a lot of backtracking the closer it got to the game's release, saying how only the neighborhoods are going to be open world. Basically went back on their whole "no loading screens" thing.
My biggest problem with a closed world (that isn't even semi-open) isn't just the loading screens, it's that my sim can't even go do something at the neighbors, or whatever is next door, without forcing the rest of the famallamadingdong to interrupt everything they're doing Dx and thus results in my households becoming complete and utter homebodies.
the sims 4 absolutely should have been pushed back. i’m actually so glad i couldn’t afford it when it came out and stuck with sims 3 for so long because i think i would have regretted buying it earlier than i did. i also can’t believe after the backlash towards online play that they’re trying to make it happen again!! i do not want any sims online multiplayer stuff it makes no sense.
I stopped playing when kits came. We already need to pay for SO MUCH just to make the game interesting and not flat, which is a problem itself, but now we have to pay more for just 10 cas items?! ARE YOU SERIOUS????? I just feel disrespected... I know i dont have to buy packs, but the base game is so flat and boring.
agreed. i miss when expansions to the game were interesting and worth the money. i remember the sims 3 had a time travel expansion as the second final expansion. it kept me entertained for so long, and it wasn't a once-off thing that became stale. stuff changed in the future if you were in the present and you could cause a dystopia or utopia it was so cool!!!
I have strong memories of having to make the game fun for myself when catching other families up to my main one in the Sims 2, and the RELIEF of not having to do it in the Sims 3. The Sims 4 tried to let non active households live their lives but honestly they really missed the mark and I appreciate you saying so
The sims 4 lacking story progression has always been kicker for me. I finally downloaded mccc mod and now I finally have story progression in my game! Agatha crumplebottom married Alexander goth 😳
I remember when Sims 4 came out. I was so disappointed with it that I didn’t come back to it until 2020. So much has changed, it was a pleasant surprise.
I remember when Sims 4 first launched, and my friend and I (both long-time sims franchise players) both said 'nah, there isn't even toddlers.' We didn't buy the game for a couple years after launch because it simply couldn't hold our attentions over Sims 3 and its features - if I can't get gameplay on a similar level to the previous game, even in comparing base game to base game, why would I switch over? I didn't bother to get Sims 4 to well after toddlers were added, and my friend just got Sims 4 about 2 years ago when it was on sale dirt cheap.
Honestly, I'm worried about how much is going to be cut for Sims 5 based on Sims 4 experience. I do not want to buy a brand new Sims game if basic features are missing and the game feels incomplete. If it happens again on the build up to Sims 5 where it's revealed that well-loved base game features are just not being added from the get-go in Sims 5, I can't see me wanting to buy it for several years.
I really miss the open world. Sims 3 runs great on my rig and always has as long as I don't add new CC or mods to a game I already started. If I run with no CC/mods (lol) it runs beautifully. Ran great on a laptop too? Maybe I just lucked out. I loved story progression and the different townies instead of the same 5 people over and over. 😑 Awful. Also I miss the fire fighter career?? And I don't really like the moods. But I will admit, build is way more intuitive and I like the premade rooms of you're feeling lazy.
I love the passion you have for gameplay and a commitment to quality lore. Its what breaks and makes a simulation game and thats what EA fails to understand. You are one of the few sims youtubers I can stand watching without cringing from them sucking up to the lousy state of the game and saying players should be grateful.. Like we didnt pay hundreds of dollars and still didnt get what we asked for. What a shame for EA. I hope they come to their senses and release free gameplay additions.
Thank you for all the research and hard work you put into this. You gave some really thorough insights that I agree with. The sims 4 needs a lot of work and in my opinion they should tie up loose ends before continuing on to the sims 5. I would gladly sacrifice releases of kits and packs in order for them to refresh old packs and fix things like babies.
my back is genuinely broke after this video. it’s taken me feckin ages. hope yous enjoyed xxx
Entire history of is my favourite series on your channel. Keep doing good!
and doing it so flawlessly. we appreciate and love your hard work!
this video was put together so well. thank you for sacrificing your back
Definitely enjoying it! Thank you for all the hard work xx
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"The Sims 4's biggest problem is that The Sims 3 exists" is still one of my favorite quotes ever....
Since the Smooth Patch, Sims 4 lost its right to exist. and even before, I preferred laggy Sims 3 over the boring gameplay of S4.
Sims 2 UC is what I play when I want to relax, S3 is what I play when I wanna so somethingm
Exactly. I want to give the Sims 4 props for the improvement but it really doesn't add anything new or better enough for me switch over from sims 3. I haven't even reinstalled it since changing computers.
@@kariissmol9172 I started playing Sims 3 again with the smooth patch a week ago and the only thing I’m missing is the build & buy improvements Sims 4 has but I gladly give up having nice homes for the gameplay Sims 3 delivers
@@kariissmol9172 i am actually trying to find harsher words than 'trash' for the sims 4 and looks like you found it lol
Ik I've never heard a truer quote
I strongly believe that the "free" toddler update was intended to be DLC, but EA decided against it because someone realized how much backlash there'd be.
I'm 99.9% sure that it was meant to be DLC bc of the toddler stuff pack that shortly followed them.
remember when we didnt have pools lol i imagine they were going to make a pool DLC pack just for pools
I'm also pretty positive that's what they were going for. Gross.
@@Jay-kz4td probably the outdoor stuff pack or backyard pack
I agree. It's way too convenient that they just had a "toddlers and pools" pack ready to go, and that those features were absent from the base game despite being around for basically the whole franchise. I am convinced they tried to make it a stuff pack and people reacted too badly.
Remember when you could have your teens skip school, and they had a WHOLE TOWN to use up their time, and there was a chance they could be found by the police.
Remember when you could have your sim physically walk to their work if you wanted. Or you could look at the world view and see if there was a party going on and you could just roll up and crash it.
The Sims 3 was ALIVE. It was a living breathing thing.
I always used the walk from work as a daily jogging routine
I miss the school bus rocking up to your house every morning, and honking if your kids were late, and driving off if they took to long, so your kids could miss the bus and you'd have to take them to school in your car.
Why are you remembering it like you could never experience it again? I installed Sims 1 lately and had a blast with it! I will be playing Medieval 10 years from now for sure! You can pllay old games! What is it with immediate one time consumerism. Watch old movies, listen to old music and read old books for yourself, not only for your peers to have a conversation about!
@@Noaartetc In my experience, at least when it comes to games, a lot of newer PC:s can’t play older games like the sims 2 and 1. I’ve updated my computer recently and something about the update made me unable to launch the sims 2, so that might be a reason why.
@@Noaartetc It's not that Sims 3 can't be experienced again, literally no one has ever said that, but that Sims 4, the sequel to TS3 and therefore what should be an improvement on the previous games is just worse instead.
One super hollow thing in the sims 4 that annoys me is that guests in my house will literally tear the place down, try to play games on my sims' laptops, use their exercise equipment, prank their toilets and bake 4 cakes. If I even try to prepare some chips and salsa in my close friend's or my parents house to eat during movie night, I'll be forced to stop because it's nOt OkAy.
I was making a thanksgiving dinner at my sim’s parents house and he got kicked out ON THANKSGIVING DAY
Thiss. In the sims 3, you can actually kick someone out and get kicked out yourself if you're doing inappropriate things in people's houses. E.g. taking a shower in somebody's house is counted to be inappropriate if you don't have a great relationship with them.
@@euphrasiepolly5575 that couldve made new gameplay where sims can ask eachother permission to do something and depending on theyre relationship and personality, your sim would either be told they cant do it, or they would be allowed to do it
@@euphrasiepolly5575 They get annoyed also if you have a good relationship with them in s3. I play sims 3 currently but i have played sims 4 too and in both i had to buy a trait for lifetime happiness wishes that enables you to do whatever in other people's houses
I played the parents. I got into my daughter's house, very hungry, and tried to serve the meal. My daughter stopped me, saying it's inappropriate. I was like, YOU UNGRATEFUL BRAT!! I RAISED YOU GODDAMMIT.
Sims team: create a style is too much for the game, a colour wheel would break the game
Also the sims team: here’s a colour wheel! Paint your dogs purple, and your cats yellow✨
Imagine if that color wheel and painting aspect were for sims and objects as well. They can add a few brushes, like freckles, scars, tattoos for sims. That'll be helpful to create and share skins. Make sims as unique as you want.
And for objects patterns could be added, not a ton like Sims 3 but a few basic ones could go a long way with Sims 2 create a style and a pattern saving feature like Animal Crossing. A few more features could go a long way.
Yeah, I think they forgot that they made the Sims 3 work. How can you make that work, yet the sims 4 is just shit. The tiniest thing will break the game, while TS3 could endure a shit ton. What are they doing????
@@antisocialal4799 I also hate how you can't customise how long each life stage lives for and instead it's just the "general" long to short.
@@YujiUedaFan you can in The Sims 3
@@pavladavlas I know, but the point is why was it dropped at all?
I completely blacked out the part of my memory where they released the game without TODDLERS why did we pay $60 for it I'm-
That game was 50% off after a month of its release, IIRC. I didn't hear about the negative reviews but was a huge fans of Sims 2 and Sims 3 growing up so I scooped it up thinking I was getting *such* a deal.
I was so angry to find out there was no refund option.
I never entirely forgot because I refused to buy it until the toddler update happened... then I was interested. Toddlers are one of the better things they've added into the game and they're still only so-so. (Also, random genetics have taught me toddlers have their own genetics so tweaking their toddler form does nothing to their teen and up self.) I actually love the toddlers, they're at least better than the pets, one of the best things we've ever gotten for family simmers, but it's still disappointing most of the time.
I wasn't really big into the sims community until a couple years after TS4 release. I couldn't get my parents to buy it at release because of the price and I already had TS3. However, oddly enough...I was playing the living hell out of the TS4 CAS demo 😂😂. I finally convinced them to get it for the Black Friday sale under the condition that I couldn't play it until Christras (I really tried... but that agreement later went right out the window btw). The dumb thing about it is I knew going into it that there wasn't going to be toddlers. I was absolutely blown away when I saw the animation of a baby aging up. 😭 Looking back... I was a total 🤡 for being surprised. Like they said no toddler wtf did I think would happen? 😂 To this day that animation is so wild to me.
Ngl i downloaded it for free, it took a day and I played it once and deleted it, I was like ‘what is thissss’ back to sims 3 haha
i didn't until after toddlers were added. until then i used a friend's origin to play lol
sims 3 story progression is insane...i could literally walk down the block and see a dude cheating on his wife with a merman.
i played ts3 after ts4 so that level of drama is something i had never seen before in the franchise
The mod Story Progression or in-game story progression ?
@@krisb.1565 in game, i have no sims 3 mods other than some cc hair
exactly the townies don't do anything without you and its so lame
Oh gosh, even in your own household there could be chaos! I made one with four couples living together (a little wild, but fun) and I saw that one of the sims was mad and I was confused because I was preoccupied with someone else, until I saw her boyfriend cuddling on the couch with someone else's boyfriend and I'm just sitting there like, "Oh... OHHHHHH!" XD
Thing is, there was a very vocal part of the community that hated the story progression. I didn't play TS3 much because I hated the aesthetic, but when I did I do remember having a mod to stop my playable Sims from marrying randos (I am a heavy rotational player)
Towns in the Sims 4 are already split into neighborhoods, the neighborhoods should be open world. Would probably be less laggy than having the whole town open world
I have always loved this idea. The fact that neighborhoods aren't open world is so confusing to me. Especially for places like Hanford on Bagley, San Myshuno or Sulani to name a few that would greatly benefit from it.
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Wait until they update it to make it open world after feverishly stating they can't. Like with pools, toddlers, spiral stair, and bunkbeds they'll hype open worlds up as a "brand new feature" and the cherry on top make cars a kit (after adding 3 basegame cars of course)
Totally agree
@@VRiderB An open world is not something you can patch into a game. You would have to recode the game from scratch to be able to handle an open world, which basically means making an entire new game.
the closed word really is my biggest gripe with the sims 4. i never take my sims anywhere because of the loading screen, and not taking your sims anywhere makes the game boring really quickly
true and also the loading screens for the kind of computer i have is agony because they can take so long to finish loading. i'd rather wait for the surrounding environment to render than wait for a lil plumbob to finish spinning
This is the one!! Before sims 4 released, i played sims 3 at.east 4 hours a day! I did A LOT in sims 3 (still do) and as amid my favourite was the seqsonal festivals, and obtaining the unicorn! In sims 4 i dont even visit my neighbours anymore? My sims in a 5 simmer household almost always get lonely, because theres no time to socialise? All their days are wake up. Eat. Do work tasks/homework. Eat. Shower/work/school. Eat. Sleep
I wouldn’t even mind just an open neighbourhood. I never know my neighbours because of the loading screen!
And it is still boring even when you take them anywhere
Haven't played Sims 4 in ages but, yeah - that's one thing that stuck out to me the most; loading screens. Another thing was how the world maps looked. In Sims 1, 2 and 3 - the house were just small models on a huge map, and gave you this cool overview of your neighbourhood. In Sims 4, iirc, there was this weird "modern" interface? A non-scrollable map(?) that animated/highlighted whatever you clicked on - making it feel less organic and living? I may remember this incorrectly, but everything felt so... disconnected.
Edit: Oh, well there ya go: 7:21
I've been playing TS2 recently and it's highlighted how much TS4 tries to TELL you things instead of SHOWING you. TS4 will tell you that your sim is angry with a big red splash in the corner and then maybe several sim-hours later your sim might stomp away into another room. Compare that to TS2, where there was no UI indicator of a sim's mood (excepting the positive/negative mood or maybe more accurately 'wellbeing' scale) but you leave your sim alone for a second and they stomp on the ground, clench their fists and think about the burglar with fire in their thought bubble - you KNEW that sim was angry!! And it was lasting, that sim might think fiery thoughts about that burglar for days. TS4 sims are goldfish in comparison.
THIS!!
And angry poop. 🙄
I like the animations better in ts2. they had more of that alluring thing... what is it called? Emotions??? 🤔🤔
@@MiotaLee Oh for sure! Maybe the animations are smoother and higher quality in TS4 - I haven't played recently - but TS2 animations are full of character that make the sims fun to watch!
So well said!! You felt the Sims emotions and they could effect others in the T2! Considering the time it was revolutionary! I don’t think the T4 is. It has some great features but it doesn’t push the boundaries like the other games. Also there was a bit of humor about the older games and family play the is sorely missing!
Plumbella: "What is going to be in the Goths garden if not ghosts?"
Sims4 Team: "Well not a pool, that's for sure!"
LOL!
They got… nothing. Their house is so small.
Ffs TS4 didn't even give the Goths a big enough lot to have a garden. My broke ass "runaway" teen has a bigger lot than the Goths. I've got a big problem with that, loves.
@@maroonggirl and uuu
@@maroonggirl - The Goth house is in the Gallery (no internet connection needed), or you can save the Goth house to your Gallery (especially useful if you've done changes to the house and contents), and then download the house to a new (bigger) plot > move Goths out of original house to 2nd one. Then it's your choice what you do to original house - and your choice what you want to add to 2nd version.
The game’s release should have been delayed and I’ll die on this hill. I fully believe that because of the way the game was fundamentally built in such a rush there are features such as cars or the color wheel that can never be implemented in the game. But that doesn’t stop EA from click baiting us or hinting at them to keep us interested and coming back.
cars can definitely be implemented in the game, there are even mods for that
You hit the nail right on the head! EA likes hurting our feelings and making us come back for more. Feels a bit toxic, innit?
As sad as it is to say that’s how almost all games are being released to soon to satisfy investors because they think it’s ok to sell us dlc that is meant to be in the game by the creators I would rather wait for a finished game than by something that’s not done and then having to pay for dlc’s to make it complete
Yes! This game had SO much potential to be amazing if they'd just pushed things back and taken their time.
I don’t think cars will ever be implemented. Unless you had an entire new world system. There are a lot of worlds like windenburg and the one from eco life style that don’t even have roads? It would at best be a teleporting ability.
My humble thoughts on the Sims 4: Moods being the driving factor in the way sims act in the sims 4 is why the gameplay feels so shallow. People’s actions aren’t driven primarily by fleeting emotions… they are driven by their aspirations and their relationships with others. Making whether someone is feeling “playful” or “sad” the driver for their decisions is not going to result in dynamic characters. It’s going to result in characters who more or less all feel the same and go through the same motions as everyone else until they die.
I feel like they put the cart before the horse.
Sims' moods should be determined by their lives, not the other way around.
This. Also, moods sometimes make no sense. Oh, you're feeling playful, huh? Better not fill up your needs, or have a nice talk with someone, or stand in a well-decorated room, or doing something you love, otherwise YOU'LL DIE
I've always wondered why it feels weird but could never put my finger on it. You explained it perfectly!
@@misssteak1290 lol God forbid they're feeling very playful 🤦♀️
@@miranda9391 like seriously MCCC is a godsend, so i can remove the playful buff anytime i want. Pursuing a career in comedy is a lot more dangerous than pursuing a career in military
Cities Skylines kicking SimCity straight out of the ring makes me hopeful that ParaLives or another similar life sim will give some much-needed competition to The Sims and force EA to actually do better in order to get its sales.
if only my cims would use more than one lane :(
@@Cervidae public transport, king
@@Cervidae That's one of the reasons I stopped playing Skylines... it's not a real citybuilder like SC4 was, it's a network game with a city on top... the city part is weak and the network part is crap. Modding can help but might also break your saves (and will considerably slow your performance).
The SKylines team also made very poor decisions in many domains, altough the maps are huge it's painful to have TRULY huge cities because of performance.
Oh and the growable buildings size is ridiculously small. Laughable.
People rushed onto Skylines because SC2013 was terrible... but it's NOT a great citybuilder, at all.
@@tonyzed6831 Skylines is a traffic simulator with a perfunctory game slapped on (its why its so hard to go bankrupt). I gave up after trying to build nice communities and the way the game harassed me to plow everything under and just make bigger roads all the time - both SC and Skylines have a depressing expansionist mindset where growth is the only metric of success (e.g. in Sims 4 you could build a little community and surround it with farms but the game expected you to always plow those farms under to build more goddamn suburbs and strip malls because that's just what North American cities do), but Skyline i even less interested in making a city feel like a city than SC was.
I hope it's as detailed as the sims 2, and that the vehicles actually feel like they're there. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for a full blown driving simulator, I just want the cars and other vehicles to have proper "arriving" and "leaving" animations unlike the ones in the sims 3 that just vanished and popped your sim out of the vehicle
I still can’t get over the fact that you cannot get arrested in a “life simulator” game
Fr. So many details that aren’t there. Such a disappointment
and that there is no burglar! (i'm talking about the sims 4)
in the sims 3 u can be arrested
@@konradwisniewski8155 yeah but they’re talking about the sims 4
@@dziabuka1981 there is a mod by carl's guides that brings the burglar back
LGR is a legend. I recently went back to watch his sims 3 seasons review and the amount of content that pack had compared to the sims 4 packs is INSANE
i watch LGR reviews a lot and GOD it makes me miss the quality of the sims 3 packs! i have NO clue when i started playing sims 3 (if buy the discs from target, so it was before sims 4 i believe?)
I used to be a huge lgr fan and was literally thinking about his giant chicken in his sims 4 review before she mentioned him. Idk what kind of collab plumbella could do with him but id love to see him mentioned more in the sims community!
It's funny as well because iirc at the time we even felt ts3 expansions could be lackluster..but now they feel so ridiculously huge in hindsight
@@nerdychocobo I was thinking that too! He complained so much about them back in the day, no wonder he's losing hope with 4
It makes me wish my laptop could run sims 3
I NEVER visit neighbors because of the closed world system and I feel like my playing style would be so different if that weren't the case.
Same. I hate traveling away from home cause it takes me right out of it
This! I noticed at some point that my sims barely leave their home lot (other than for work and school) because all of the fun of traveling died with the open world concept.
When I first start playing I'd never leave my house because it was closed world 😭😂 what was a park
It's almost impossible to travel if you play more than one sim in a family. Either they all have to go, or you leave sims behind and they don't do what you tell them to for the hours you leave them behind.
exactlyyyy in sims 3 i'm never in the house, in sims 4 i'm never out of it...
The open world was never the problem with Sims 3. It was the way they programmed the game. It was horribly coded and they programmed it for (outdated) 32-bits systems when most people already had 64-bits. There are plenty of games that use open worlds that run fine, even on older or slower PCs. If EA would’ve taken the time to correctly program an open world for Sims 4 it would’ve been able to run without much issues but surprise surprise, they chose the easy way out.
I got a new computer over a month ago and TS3 works a LOT better on it.
I have a low end laptop and all my expansions and stuff packs work well with sims 3 except island paradise, that's when it lags, but I can absolutely say with the sims 4, before I got my new laptop I couldn't play the game even with less EP, GP and SP without te simulation mod. So o agree, the open world was never the issue. It's on them for choosing what they feel will work for them rather than taking time to give out what we paying for.
Exactly - the Witcher 3 came out a year later in 2015, and that open world is absolutely insane. It runs a lot less unique NPCs than the Sims would have in townies, but that world is huge and feels real enough. I don't know anything about coding or game developing, but to me it feels like it should have been possible to create a good open world that runs smoothly
@@KingBasieSims4 My pc is too new, it doesn't recognise my gpu
@@Alexandra-fz7lk same, I downloaded lots of mods that make the game smoother & followed the steps to make the sims 3 put to use my larger ram, CPU, & GHZ. It runs AMAZING!! I downloaded some reshades, lighting mods, cc, couple of mods etc and my game looks modern & plays amazingly!!
I remember playing Sims 3 and making an evil Sim and joining the Evil branch of the criminal career. Everybody, and I mean everybody *hated* her so much becoming a celebrity was almost impossible because her very presence caused everyone's opinion of her to drop constantly. The fact that she had a promiscuos reputation didn't help.
Sims 4's gameplay, excluding the building is so...lifeless.
I remember having a kleptomaniac sim. She was talking to someone and I watched the friendship bar filling up, until the guy she was talking to discovered her kleptomaniac trait which automatically drained the bar down a bunch. Sims 4 would never 😂
I don't understand this whole "the sims 4 with no open world caters to lower-end computers" because I played the sims 3 on a normal laptop and despite taking forever to load at startup, I then never had to load anything ever again. And the game crashed but all EA games are badly optimized, the sims 3 just had more to it so it makes sense it crashed a lot. Meanwhile the sims 4 on that same exact computer took FOREVER to load every single lot. It took between 5 to 15 minutes to load every lot I ever visited, to the point that I stopped leaving my lot, so that made the game very fun.
No seriously, if you've ever had a low end computer you know the LAST thing you want in a game is MORE LOADING SCREENS.
I feel this - I can play the Sims 3 on my laptop and I deal with some lag but at least the game is all there and once it's ready to go it's ALL ready to go.
But with a few mods and cc, the Sims 4 takes a long time to load up, and then add the sit-through time for loading screens, it's probably on par with the initial wait for Sims 3? Or close? (I really should time it one time lmao)
Putting it this way: both games take long enough to load into a house that I can go and make a coffee, and when I get back there's a possibility that I'm still waiting 😂
Honestly it feels more like an excuse than anything else for the lack of content provided, I have a gaming PC myself but even I get lag when I play TS4 but I can also run a much more demanding game technology wise and only experience occasional lag that really only comes while I'm loading into a game
To be perfectly honest, I loved the anticipation of the sims3 loading screen when I was younger. It really got me excited about all the things I wanted to do and made it feel like an experience you have to sit down for
I played sims3 on and old computer and loading was rough but I was able to play all packs plus a lot of stuff I bought online.
Got a newer computer and sims 4 and it's okay, but houses take forever to load.
For me, the sims 4 has so many more glitches it turns me off playing it. The only problem with sims 3 was it would crash on my computer if I played it for too long without saving, but the sims 4 has so many more problems. I have had sims die because they wouldn’t load a command to eat etc. most of my sims 4 gameplay is me waiting for a lot or a command to load.
Someone (I think from Nintendo) once said something about a delayed game being good eventually, but a game released too early likely being flawed forever. The Sims 4 is a far better game in 2021 than at release, but the flawed structure underneath everything still shines through.
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad" - Shigeru Miyamoto
I mean cyberpunk was delayed for like years and uhhh
Shigeru Miyamoto himself!
@@tenzinfernandez2822 Even after being delayed I think they still rushed to get it out, which is...weird. lol
@@tenzinfernandez2822 Yup, there are games that no matter how long they get delayed, they'll always turn out bad. Its called development hell and its pretty usual nowadays, Cyberpunk and Anthem being the most known examples.
An open world doesn’t have to mean it crashes all the time. The Sims 3 has insane memory leaks and never deals with it’s trash so even on the best gaming computer it will overload it, it’ll just take longer. Open world and story progression make these problems really obvious really fast but they aren’t the actual cause of the problems. There is no reason why we can’t have open world run completely fine in a future Sims game as long as the devs actually pay attention to what’s going on in the back end rather than just hoping for the best and blaming it on our computers when shit inevitably goes wrong.
This! Sims 3 was just poorly optimized and Sims 4 is just as bad... they just screwed it up differently.
They sure love blaming the technology. When new gen consoles came out they “announced” that Sims 4 would load faster on those consoles. Like no duh! How about you fix the loading issues for all consoles?
Definitely. There are plenty of open world games that work perfectly well - Sims 3 just has really bad memory management and caching.
it also isnt optimized for newer graphics cards and wasnt even back in 2013 (that may explain why we remember ts3 running smoothly on our old pcs and like crap on todays expensive gaming pcs)
I mean, open world causes more issues with lower end computer and causes more lag. I genuinely hope that we don’t get open world in the next game for the sake of optimization, lag, and overall smoother gameplay. I hope we get semi-open world though, I hate that we have a loading screen for our neighbors house but im fine with a loading screen here and there.
i’ve been thinking about how much i miss the gossip social interaction actually giving you real gossip on the townies in TS3. now i realize this doesn’t exist in TS4 bc the townies don’t do anything, i just spend days setting up their storylines every time i start a new save:// i would die for the option to hear my neighbors spill the tea on who’s flirting with who, who got promoted, who had a baby etc. but it’s just not gonna happen
I didn't even think of that. TS4 doesn't even have rudimentary gossip does it? TS2 had sims gossip about other sims - usually when a household sim had peed themselves honestly - but that's realistic to a point too I guess!
I'd love to go back to the sims 3, but my laptop just can't run it. It's not a fault of the game, it can barely run 4 either. :(
@@Nakia11798 my laptop can’t handle the sims 4 either:( luckily my sister and i are allowed to play on our brother’s gaming computer that’s still at our house while he’s studying abroad. i think he also have the sims 3 base game, i might go back and play it for a bit to see if it still holds up even against ts4 and all the packs my sister has bought for it over the years
OMG yes!! I miss it so much. It really made the game feel alive. Also, you could be the victim of gossip if you cheated a lot on your bf/gf, which was so much fun. I miss it
One of the most disappointing things in Sims 4 for me is the lack of creativity. I miss having weirdly futuristic items, it was my favourite aesthetic. Everything now is so MODERN.
In the sims 5 we’re gonna have to make our own 3D models if we want a sim or house and pay 40 dollars for toddlers
Don't manifest this pls
we're gonna have to make our own sims 5 lmao
Sims team: guys i'm taking out the open world system bc it gets laggy and i want everyone to enjoy the game regardless of computer specs☺🤗😍
Also sims team: *makes 30+ game packs that cost a total of $400 and took up 50 GB of space*
Exactly. Good point
exactly not to mention that some games are just not meant to be played on bad computers and making a big game like the sims specifically for all computers is basically setting it up to be a bad game. like i didnt buy a $1000 pc to play a game that sacrificed key features just so that it works the same on my macbook. its annoying.
lol all the packs in the UK cost over £800. you can literally buy a gaming pc for the price
@@avazeilander7975 not everyone can afford at $1000 pc tho 😬
@@tsubomi7462 I get that but you have to remember, things like video games and fancy computers are luxury items. You don’t need them to survive. Coming from someone who would never in their life be able to afford an expensive pc, I would much rather people who /can/ get their money’s worth.
I sincerely miss the burglars. That was part of the thrill of playing the sims was having your sim sleep and to have that noise play while they steal your stuff, unless you had an alarm of course😆
God my heart would literally jump out of my chest whenever i hear that burglar bg sound
I love to hate them 😂 your sim worked so hard to afford that couch, she doesn't even have tapestry on her walls and then that lil bitch comes in and steals it.
As an adult I have to repress my anger so often that it just feels freeing to get that verbal and angry at a non existent person 😂
ts4 can literally never measure up to the energy of the time in 3 where my poor destitute sim got her SHOWER stolen and couldnt afford a new one
I just had one pop up in my game a few days ago. But I'd planned to move the family from an apartment to a house in the morning, so I'd put pretty much everything except the toilet, the beds and the burglar alarm in their inventories. He still wound up stealing the bunkbed ladder before the police arrived. XD
The best part of Sims 2 and 3 is starting a new game and trying to decide between buying a better TV or buying a burglar alarm. You always go for the better TV, expecting to earn enough for the alarm in a few days, but then suddenly, in the dead of night... Some dude in an ugly black and white sweater breaks in, steals the very TV you wasted your money on, then dips out before your Sim can wake up and call the police.
I find myself often missing the memories/ detailed family tree. I liked being able to look back and see the life i basically wrote for my sims. And honestly the 'adult' content. Like where's the sneaky little jokes that weren't entirely innocent?
YES!! The LGR shoutout!!! For a long time I only trusted his reviews on sims 4, as a lot of sims youtubers at the time seemed overly positive about the game and the first several packs that game out. Actually I'm pretty sure I ended up finding your channel through the algorithm recommending your lore videos after I watched his videos, which I immediately loved because of your fresh and nuanced perspective as well
so THIS is why the team haven't given us rich family gameplay in the 7 years of the sims franchise: they don't want us living past 1 generation and realizing how much is missing!
the fact that i've played sims 4 since release day and i've never played past 1 generation..
It’s funny bc there are achievements for having 10 or 100 generations in ts4 yet the game is made in a way that multiple generational gameplay is underwhelming at best
@@grateful17 bruh same
Honestly, I have story progression mod and I still turned off aging for this playthrough, because randomly generated Townies look AWFUL. The pre-generated ones, like Goths or Landgraabs, could use a little fixing, but townies look so, so bad and I hate having them and only them everywhere after the 2nd generation. I don't have the strength to edit every single NPC.
@@Vix_Vi Whenever I see a townie with messed up fashion sense I click on them, go into the settings of the "MC Command Center" mod, click "MC Dresser" and there I choose the option "Remove all accessories."
Honestly removing jewelry, gloves and socks this way already does so much to improve their looks. I started doing this when Townies showed up with rings and bracelets over their gloves...
This alters their outfit permanently so they stay like that until you change their style again. Also you can remove or copy make up through MC Dresser too.
Mc Command Center is a must have mod tbh.
The fact that some nraas cleanup mods could really help with lag showed that open world wasn’t necessarily the unfixable problem EA made it out to be. There were some fixes that could’ve helped that they never bothered to include. Also, technology has changed drastically since then so to compare a game that started over ten years ago, so it’s very likely not the same issue it was back then if it has a different, better engine behind it.
Open world wasn't the problem. Sims 4 loading screens are JUST as long
there's a reason everyone tells you to consider whether you *really* want to install island paradise. that dlc in particular is supposedly super buggy. makes you realise how the rest of the game was coded if they shipped a dlc like that.
I genuinely believe Sims 4 could've been the best game if the little "blocks" your Sims would live in would be open since they're fully tinted. It'd make everyone happy since we'd have the fancy backgrounds to make the worlds feel more full but also have less loading screens to go see our neighbors, and it'd feel more lively since we'd see our neighbors going in and out of their homes to do things like take out the trash, check mail, and so on.
Yea I was thinking the other day that didn't the sims team say that when sims 4 was realised they'd be loading screens but we would be able to walk around within our neighbourhoods and interact with other sims, visit their homes, stores etc? They fully lied
That's exactly what I thought when I first played it. It's so bizarre they couldn't handle even that
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God remembering sims 4 at launch just gets me depressed
I've said since launch that "Sims 4" is a mediocre standalone game, but when you consider the franchise around it, it's an abject failure.
What really annoys me is when people who have never played 2, 3, or even 1 vehemently defend "Sims 4" without understanding the complaints.
Yesss👏
Ma'am, i had played sims 2 and 3 BASE GAME ONLY for years and during those times, i never felt bored. In sims 4, i can't go for 5 minutes without feeling like CC-shopping.
It would irritate me so much when they would look at me as if I was overreacting when I would slam sims 4. I wrote a research paper on the franchise as a final in a technology and cultures class and as such, I've come to understand how important this game has been to the gaming community and the invlusivity it brings. They did amazingly on adding the new CAS options, but otherwise it's an incredible disgrace to such an important franchise.
@Harold Cleveland
You can have your opinion, but it's not an educated one (and therefore not worthy of any credence) unless you've actually tried all the games. If you've only ever eaten hamburgers, you don't have the qualifications to say it's the same as a fillet mignon.
You like the game? Good for you, but if you haven't played the others, you don't have the bigger picture.
@@meganhylton4679 okay unrelated, but how was the paper? I hope you did well in that class
When she said she’s ‘working on an entire history of that’s a pretty long one’ I wasn’t expecting this 😳😳😳
i think that one is the entire history of cc
Yooo Philip 😂 can George count to 10 yet?
@@annl7835 that was uncalled for 😳😳😳😳 and no his moms to busy satisfying me to teach him 😎✌🏻
I miss when you could create your own towns and Add any amount of buildings you wanted in your town it allowed you to have more of a community.
As someone who started with the sims 2, i'm use to a closed world. I have no problem with it. My problem is with the lack of content. Even with stuff packs, updates.. The game just feels lifeless.
In the sims 2, and i am using the sims 2 as comparing the sims 4 to the sims 3 really isn't a fair comparison. TS3 had MANY features that a large sum of the playerbase loved and thus, comparing them? It isn't fair. So, i'm going with 2.
The sims 2 had so much content in terms of playability. In my ts2 game i'm on generation 3 whereas in ts4 i play for maybe 50 minutes, get bored, and put down the game. Ts2? You could have fun dates, funny cut scenes (which would of been great if we could skip them, but, still), and just a bunch of random turns of events. Sims had life and depth to them. If your sim cheated on 6 women and was caught, they would likely line up to slap him. Sims 4 on the other hand, your partner pretty much reacts and then forgets about it unless you have mods. Sims 2, you have the ability to go to a pet store and buy a pet. The last game to incorporate that? Was TS2. Children who were taken by Child services could be adopted by other families not just POOF and they were gone like in ts4. In TS2 your sims could ride a bike, have a car, have different seating styles and SO much more. And all of these tiny details? Not even a trace of them in TS4. Am i asking for a game filled with billions of details? No, but having some would add just a little bit of life to a seemingly dead game.
Moving on from that, i loved the memory system. I loved that my sims remembered their first kiss, i loved that my sims were haunted by fires, deaths, and so on. That was real. That was something i actually loved about Ts2. I hate that in ts4 the only way to save memories is to do it all yourself. I hate to say it but i didn't even know it was a feature until a few months ago when i saw a friend use it. There's also burglars. For many it was frightening. That was ultimately why it was axed, it was scary. Which.. fine. I can understand that. But, i'd rather have burglars stealing my toilets and sinks than a literal disease from a rodent that kills your sims. I'd rather have burglars over the ridiculous illnesses they added for pets or the fact we can't even see what our pets are requiring without a mod. Before you ask, for those who never played Ts2, yes! You could control your pets in TS2, all you needed was the cheat code for it.
I miss that our pets had jobs, i miss that our pets actually seemed like a member of the family not just something you throw food at and pet once a day. My sims 4 pets have run away more often than any animal i have owned in ts2 and ts3 combined, why combined? Because ts3 is where animals were playable right off the bat and that feature is something many players liked as well. I feed them, and try to care for them as best as i can but when it comes to a household with multiple kids? It's painful. It's actually near impossible. Another thing, pets have practically no use other than to sit there and look cute.. kind of like babies really. There is nothing for them. No careers, no fun activities that involve more of the family, nothing. I'd love just something - like community pet contests, or a dog festival, or a cat carnival. Anything. Animals deserve so much more in the sims 4 and now? We have cows, chickens and such but they're essentially objects.
Let's also consider create a sim/create a pet. In ts4 the options are very limited. Even with all the expansions! You're probably going 'What? No they aren't' Well, allow me to go back on my word and point out the sims 3. The content in each pack for the sims 2 and 3? practically double than what we get with each pack in the sims 4. As much as i do like the sims 4, i will never *ever* call it my favorite for the mere fact that it's so lacking in so many departments.. Gameplay, CAS, free content, features. There is just so much missing that it still, to this day, feels incomplete to me.
Moving from create a sim, Create a pet is also... both.. better and worse. I dislike the lack of customization we have for animals and i know what you are thinking - "There is more you can do for animals in ts4 due to the advanced painting system" Well, no, actually that system is worse. In Ts3 and ts2 you made actual coats with layers. These layers meant, theoretically, you could make a unique dog everytime you entered the CAP. In ts4 the biggest features i can say im glad to have? The mix genetics and clothing features. And even then, the genetics in Sims 4? I don't know who did them but they would of failed biology. People, please, use a Punnett square!
The last i will talk about is genetics, yes. In ts2 and 3 genetics were a actual thing. In ts2 your babies had a chance to inherit either the mom or the dad's hair/eyes/facial structures and could receive a mixture of them. They even had dominant and recessive genes present in the game. and your children could receive a skin tone on a scale from the mom's to the dad's meaning, your children would actually look related to both parents.
Ts3, this feature no longer had recessive/dominant.. I.e, kids could inherit any hair color equally even if your sims hair was say bright pink and they could end up with very different features to their parents as their ancestry may shine through.
In ts4 on the other hand, your sims will always look like one or the other. They may get a skintone somewhere in the middle but the game tends to lean towards the extreme. I.e, if you have a fair skinned male sim and a darker skinned female, the likely hood is they would be either that same dark skin their mother has or the same fair skin as their father. Thus families don't look, well, related. Hair and eyes work in the same fashion and it's fairly unlikely for ancestor's features to shine through, if there even is a chance.
Basically, TS4 is a severely simplified version of the TS2 with some different features (though lacking a majority of basic features that ts2 had) and better graphics. My ONLY hope is that Ts5 will be a revamped Ts3 with a better open-world mechanic that wont be as laggy. Is it likely? No. It's more likely that it will be just another simplified imitation of a former game. Can i hope? Yep, so i shall hope for the best.
Totally agree. Sims 4 feels so empty. I don't mind loading to places in a closed world, but I hate how lifeless the game is. The emotion system sucks, there are so few items, the clothing and hairstyles are minimal unless you like ugly sims, and they don't even have cars yet. Also, babies as objects is always bad.
In addition, the things you said about NPCS and reactions, yes. I miss burglars, and the other day I was intentionally clogging someone's drain for a task, and the guy just says hey could you not do that, and walks away. If that were sims 2, I'd get slapped, or kicked out, or in a fight; just SOMETHING.
The rodent disease is a feature from Sims 1. If you play with a hamster and don't wash your hands, it kills your sim. A lot of people requested stuff like that to be added to the game. You can't ask for depth, and then complain when you get it.
Memories system was also great tool for storytelling. Willow creek has no drama and obviously its because of lack of lore and effort but a memory system would help a lot- you go there and you see your sim's history. It could be used in creating your own neighborhoods and saves for download.
For sims 3 it can really depend on genetics at least in my game. Sometimes it can be completely random, sometimes I get a weird mix of the two colors, or on rare and a kinda cool occasion I get the grandparents hair color. Also if you wanna fix it when playing there’s a mod called ConsortHair I think
I have to somewhat disagree with your comparison in that I feel its an elevated version of sims 1, not 2. We have many sims 1 features, from sims 1 babies to closer to sims 1 swatches (though actually sims 1 had a better swatch system) . In fact, I feel sims 1 had better gameplay features actually. I don't have time to be as comprehensive as you have done, very well done, but a lot of what you state is lacking in 4 looks to be a carry over from 1.
I haven't heard the robbery music in like 10 years and I was still struck with the same old fear just now.
For someone who played the Sims 4 first, I’ve actually gone back and played Sims 2 & 3. And I can actually say that I enjoy them more than The Sims 4. The only reason why I enjoy Sims 4 is because attachment to my families and mods. But I definitely think The Sims has lost its spark since Sims 3. It just feel like a separate franchise in a way. And even though I didn’t grow up with any of the other games I’m so happy I can experience them now, like I’m genuinely hooked on Sims 2 atm
Honestly same.
I’ve played 1 and 2, and then 4 so I didn’t miss the open world, but the lack of everything else. I was so disappointed back then when I saw they didn’t cuddle in bed, couldn’t dance slowly and started being more like dolls. It’s like every sim is the same with no personality and uniqueness. Then I bought sims 3 some months ago and laughed so hard at times and got hooked so much. It m8 not be the prettiest of the games but it has its quirks. Also sims 2 is just Drama all over the Place and the want/fear system and the little details, makes it super cute and one of its kind.
I started with the sims 2 and my love for that game is insane. It was just a weird lil game with character
Congratulations! Best game!
Same here, been playing off and on 11 years, my neighborhoods are full into 10th generations for some families so i imposed a 2-3 child limit on most families. I may dabble in 3 for a bit but I always come back to 2
Sims 3: Oh, hey! They Goths had another kid!
Sims 4: For the love of god, Alexander, you're an elder and you STILL live in that house?
Yeah why not.
it’s such a shame that you have to download mods to do that like mc command centre. i got mccc and it has made my game feel a bit more exciting and fun like discovering who has had kids or got married or cheated, whereas in the sims 3 it was already in the game. it’s just so disappointing.
I have literally stopped playing the Sims 4 altogether and started playing the Sims 3 again, and it's so much better.
i played sims 3 today and honestly the difference is incredible. it feels more like a simulation of life
I keep coming back to the Sims 2, and after playing it for over a decade, still find little fun details that are so delightful! Everything about that game was well thought out, there was nothing sloppy about it. For example: the little facial expressions sims make when they are on the phone. The way that the lily pads on the pond change layout when you place more than one, so it looks natural. The cute little interactions you can do with kids, like cuddling on the couch and swinging them around. The adorable toddlers' laugh. Being able to meet and adopt Bigfoot!
There is endless gameplay, building relationships is a delight, you never need to worry that your story is going to suck because of some unforeseen issue with gameplay. Like in the Sims 4, when they keep going to the farthest sink to wash dishes and it takes them an hour in-game. Or when you enter a competition with a 'Perfect' level item, only to lose to another contestant with a 'normal' level item. I just hate these sloppy scenarios, as they totally break immersion and make achieving anything in the game feel pointless. At the end of the day, immersion and relatability are key to having a good gaming experience.
bigfoot?!
@@callmemaddy yes! If you have the holidays expansion, you can find him on a secret lot in Three Lakes.
@@katya8171 no way! had no idea lol!
Thing I don't understand is that there are SO many amazing open world games that work super smoothly. How come EA have not found a way to make a non-laggy game? Are they using super old game systems?
I think the issue is more the consumer. Cd red can make an open world like that because they’re selling to a more hard core market with specific set ups. Sims 4 is vastly more casual and casual gamers just don’t have the same computer power. For funsies go try and play horizon zero dawn on a non gaming focused dell laptop and watch it explode ya know?
Well the problem with Sims 3 was that it was poorly optimized. Vehicles didn't properly de-spawn, radios and TVs around town weren't ever turned off after being turned on, and sims around town got stuck due to routing issues. I've heard plenty about EA having a "get it out now, fix it later" mentality, which is probably how that happened, and the reason why they won't find a way to make it work in the future.
@@mars9986 that's really not a good take, for some players it may be that their computer is underpowered, but a lot of core issues come from EA's practices as a company.
For one thing, EA games are known to be built out of spaghetti code, which is so many levels of mess that if you don't know what it is I suggest you just look it up
Also, EA likes to build their own engines from scratch instead of using pre-established ones, and they're really really bad at building game engines from scratch, they just, aren't very well optimized to say the least (usually anyway, there might be exceptions)
It's not that EA only uses outdated stuff or that players have underpowered PCs/consoles, it's that EA builds their games broken to begin with because it's cheaper and faster and it satisfies investors
@@elizabethb4168 Exactly. EA also forces dev teams to use engines built for ENTIRELY different games and then don't funnel any of the support resources over to help with the issues. It's a complete mess and I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to work there.
To be honest, those open world games are different from Sims 3. It requires lots of optimization and smart implementation of technology to do Sims 3 like open world well. However, I strongly believe it's possible, especially with EAs resources.
But I also think there is a bit of a problem with casual gamers: one does not simply expect a 3D video game to run well on integrated graphics and low end CPUs. Casuals should either stick to consoles or think about getting slightly better systems.
i completely forgot what the early base game maps looked like- what a scam😭
I started with ts4 a few years ago and I was so confused for SO long. I couldn’t figure out how to take the babies out of the crib or why there was no negative consequences for anything. I thought I was playing the game wrong, and I kept thinking “when I figure out how to play this game it’ll be SO cool!” I was quite disappointed to find that I was playing it right…
Turning babies back into objects was a huge mistake. No idea why they did that. It was so pleasant to carry the babies around the house, grab them milk from the fridge, and then feed them standing around your kitchen.
I’m also someone who has been with the game since it first came out (I used to ruin my mom’s sims, I was like 5). I can’t tell you how excited I was for every single expansion growing up. I once cried for hours because all stores in my town were late stocking Sims 2 Pets.
I keep trying to get into Sims 4, and my impulsiveness has me buying anything on sale and rushing to play, but I’ve never gotten past maybe 2 generations at most. I used to get really into stories and legacy challenges but I haven’t done the same with 4. Even after everything, it feels… hollow.
Like a rabbit hole. The facade looks great, but when you delve deeper it’s kind of just…. empty. Maybe that’s because I don’t have the same child-like wonder and imagination playing that I used to, but seriously, it used to be so much fun to imagine up stories for stuff that happened during story progression. Like why random Sims suddenly had kids in 3 after you were focused on someone else for too long.
Everything felt so deep.
I feel exactly the same! I can't figure out if it's because of the game or because I'm older. Maybe a little of both. I just find 4 so boring.
Also agree that the gameplay in 4 just feels hollow and more lacking in general. Stuff is buggy and annoying. Like my Sims working in their dream job and getting a fear of a dead end job. Then her teen brother working part time in a cafe while in school and getting the same fear! They didn't finesse the details the way they did in Sims 2. Sims 2 had so much charm and the Sims really felt more alive, and had more personality. There's so many ways in Sims 4 where it's just glaringly low effort. Like the design of the calientes in this game. The fact that the families who come with the game have certain descriptions, but their relationships panels don't even match. I loved in Sims 2 how the neighborhoods felt so dynamic. When you opened the preloaded Sims they all had their own family tree with dead ancestors, their own relationships with other Sims in town and their own memories in their memory panel. So much fun!! My ideal Sims game would be the Sims 2 core gameplay, combined with the Sims 4 graphics, build more and worlds.
Another thing that was HUGE in Sims 3 in my opinion: *being able to visit residential lots.* People seem to overlook this pretty much always, but it adds so much realism just being able to actually visit your neighbours and stuff.
Ay, multitasking in sims 4 is awesome, I love when my sim goes on a run holding a plate full of food. Gotta keep them carbs close.
Or when they take their dinner on the toilet.
I especially like when it glitches while they wash their hands so they are stuck with the plate and can't put it down anymore.
Theirs mods that add multitasking in sims 3
Hens . I've been playing the base game all week with no packs installed, and she still needs some help. I can't *imagine* playing it back in 2014. You need to get creative. There's a serious lack of overall things to do, especially when it comes to community lots. Also, if it weren't for the amazing people on the gallery I'd never leave the house.
I played the game on release and it was sooooooo boring that I literally didn't pick the game back up until a few months ago. No pools or toddlers, babies just jumped out of the crib as children. And there was nothing to do. I played for a few hours and just stopped for years, lol.
the community lots thing is realllll god you go somewhere and its like "right... now what?"
@@katierasburn9571 It’s so true. Especially with places like Libraries and Museums. What I try to do is exclude things from your Sims house. So if you need to use an easel, play chess, use a computer, or build a rocket ship then you have to travel to a lot where it exists. Otherwise I’d never leave the house.
And then if you want those things in your house you have to unlock them in a career. It’s also a great way to take advantage of lot traits as i always use the rule “once a lot trait exists, it can’t be removed unless you renovate and pay for it”.
I also try to keep lot traits reflective of the build. So if you want the “great acoustics” lot trait you need lots of space and high walls maybe. Or if you want the great light one you need lots of windows, etc.
@@CylindricalWhistle yeah that sounds depressing. I can’t imagine not having toddlers, they’re one of my favourite things in the game. And at least I can go to the pool even if sometimes I find theres not much benefit. Pools and swimming could use an update with lessons and badges, swimming skill that changes animations, a semi active life guard career as I don’t think you can actually save drowning Sims as a lifeguard. Diving boards with tricks and even contests! Slides.
I played when it launched, the lack of EVERYTHING.. it was so boring and depressing that I even cried for wasting money lmaoo. I continued to play sims 2-3 and havent touched 4 till they fixed and released more packs. Got back into it around 2018. I use the packs but its more mods and cc which make it more enjoyable.
My biggest thing is that when (if...) we get TS5, it should be open world. It's 2021, an open world is much more doable on casual gaming setups than it was when TS3 came out. (Yes TS3 still runs poorly on modern machines but that's because it's kind of horribly unoptimized lol. Open world does not need to be as bad as TS3.)
Even just open neighborhood sections. I could handle some loading - for vacation worlds, so that the only sims there are from that world instead of constantly seeing Katrina, or whatnot - but i would love to at least have sections of open world. Kinda in between, so people with shitty laptops don't have full worlds loading and slowing down? That was literally the only problem with open world that I had in S3, bigger worlds with more families were so painful on my shitty brokeass laptops or desktops that my families could afford lol. But having to load every single new lot is also painful af.
@@brittanygilbert7843 Exactly this! I'd absolutely love a full open world like Sims 3 again, but I know that's not the best move if they want to market the game to anyone, which they do now. They have a laptop mode, and their builds are so godawful because of the fact that many players cannot run a game with so many items causing lag (and also because they have crap builders, but). It's the best and safest choice to add open neighborhoods, and I still do not know why they didn't from the start in Sims 4. I expect it has something to do with the fact that Sims 4 was built from mobile tech, for a mobile app game, but instead of redoing all the work they had they just cut it up and tried to splice in some PC gaming abilities.
I dont want open world- open neighborhood (better than the one currently out) would be nice - and being able to go to the APARTMENT next door without it having to load (like they did in ts2) .
The problem I had with open worlds was whenever I wanted my sim to socialize I’d have to visit so many empty lots before I found one that was populated
Yes!! We need open world again. It’s 2021 currently and will be a couple of years before TS5. We had open world in a game that came out over a decade ago, time to go forward once again.
Story progression mod helped so much with TS3’s population so that shouldn’t be an issue with devs that actually care and put in work for the next game.
When the Sims 4 first came out I went to a gaming store with my friend and when I picked the game up and said: "I'm gonna buy this", a small girl of about 10 looked me dead in the eye and said: "DON'T" :')
😂 even the kids
When I was a kid and played sims 3, my neighbors had like 3 kids and they were out on the freaking porch because it was a one bedroom house 😭😭 loved it honestly
I still can’t believe we don’t have cars. In Sims 3 you could teach your teens to drive :(.
What makes me even more angry is that everyone makes the argument that it's pointless to have cars when you don't have an open world, but the sims 2 wasn't an open world and it had cars. The cars worked perfectly in the sims 2. It's not a good excuse for something that should clearly be in the game.
@@florenciafernandez8447 For me personally, I don't think cars would work in Sims 4 because too many lots aren't near roads that you would drive on, so it wouldn't make sense to have them.
@@harasnicole The map implies that there are roads all over the place? And there'd probably be parking lots, like...in real life.
You could also fix up a car and have others help you work on it. It built up your handiness. I like the idea of creating a story of a father buying their teen the old, broken car and working on it together and then teaching the teen to drive. Good for family gameplay.
@@callmeobsequious Implies, yes, but that doesn't mean the roads would be drivable. Again, I said for me personally. I'm not expecting anyone to agree. It is what it is.
I still play the sims 3 to this day. To me it’s the complete sims experience. None of the others in the franchise come close. Once you experience the sims 3 you have experienced the best the sims has to offer...
It's not that complete because of the stupid rabbit holes and restricted gender clothes. If there's no rabbit hole and no gender restriction it will be the best thing ever
I personally disagree. No other sims game has caused me as much anger or frustration as TS3 and I was running it on a gaming PC.
I'm convinced EA sold two versions of TS3. The one that worked properly and everyone enjoyed and then the one riddled with bugs, ghost towns, a story progression that did nothing and that would on occasion just refuse to load simply because you were trying to play it on a Thursday instead of a Tuesday.
I jest, but it just amazes me how different our experiences are.
you are so correct ❤️
i feel like ts4 simultaneously has too much and too little content. i own about 3/4 of the packs and i feel like there are so many things that i’ve literally never played with just because i haven’t had the time yet (like mermaids or the acting career), but there’s also so many basic things missing that it feels empty too
Someone said it's like a huge shallow pool while TS3 is like a small but very deep pool.
ts4 has a lot of content now, but the content is very shallow, it feels like a one feet depth ocean, very wide, but very shallow. Everything is very surface value and nothing else
I remember it was so quickly after launch that the community were collectively upset at how much ts4 was lacking. And I think that made a lot of people go back to previous games or lose interest in the franchise for a long time
Every single Sims game has been a delight in it's own way. 1 was an absolutely joy. When 2 came out, I enjoyed it for many years. 3 was absolutely revolutionary with it's open world and just everything in it, I loved it. So when 4 came out I pre-ordered it for €80. I was so excited to see how they had improved the game even more this time. Silly me. It was a huge letdown. I bought every single expansion, hoping that one of them at some point would make me love this game as much as the previous ones. But it was a waste of money. It has a pretty packaging but it's all empty inside. You can explore a new pack within the hour and then you've seen everything it had to offer. Which is very little.
Three things that I like about the sims 4: The way Sulani looks, the way the chickens walk and the fact that it crashes less often than the Sims 3. But in hindsight, had I known I'd pay that much money for just that, I would never have bought it to begin with.
The formula to improving a game is to take the previous game and add more stuff and better gameplay to it.
Not take away from it. And it's not just how hollow the gameplay itself is. Compare what you paid for a TS1/2/3 expansion pack and what you got for it in return to what you pay for a Sims 4 expansion and what you get in return.
Previous games: About €20-€30 an expansion. Gameplay and items: A whole dang lot. And the game had entire furnished worlds, houses and families. Everything actually looked like the developers cared.
Now the sims 4. Expansion: €40. What do you get in return? A few build/buy items, a few cas items, and a world with about 5 lots. Gameplay: 5 minutes of tutorial of said world.
And the worst part of it all is? When a new expansion drops I'd probably buy it anyway. The way the sims 4 is so severely lacking you keep hoping that the next expansion will fix it. But it never does.
Why not get it over with and let them just release the sims 5. And pray to god they actually invest people and money in making the gameplay great instead of this budget crap we get every single sims 4 expansion. We sure pay enough for it.
That's why i quit playing it since almost 3 years! Waiting for Paralives!
I got Sims 4 only because I was buying stuff packs for TS3 online and they offered the TS4 base game for $5. Five bucks--why not? I like it okay but it's a bit lacking.
I honestly believe this constant request of sims 5 to be released will come with it's own backlash, and simmers won't take blame for them pushing for it and EA giving us a crap game again based on simmers constantly request for it. I've heard and read this request so many times this year alone, I have zero faith in it being better, and frankly feel the Sims franchise has run its course. They should stop adding paid dlc's and just fix the current game then retire the franchise. Not like they made a loss, of people like you and I who still buy even though we not happy.
Unfortunately, I honestly don't see 5 being better especially since the little we know of it has simmers divided on whether or not they are okay about being able to play with their friends and how that will work. That alone for me is a red flag because sims 4 has proven that the smallest thing is cause for dissapointment. As @plumbella said, the community can be wild (I'm paraphrasing) and already too my of us have requests o what we would like to see in the sims 5, of which I believe a lot of us will be dissapointed once more.
@@KingBasieSims4 I see your point and yes, I don't expect the sims 5 will be better either since I believe they have this 'make it cost as little as possible' thing going since creating the Sims 4. So I am not expecting much with TS5, but by my comment about it I meant that I think they're flogging a dead horse by releasing expansion packs for TS4. Might as well get it over with and move on to the next thing.
@@nathaliecarluccio7559 If you're going to make that much ado about a game, then find something else better to do with your life.
Tbh multi-tasking was a downside for me rather than an improvement lol Because they don't truly multi-task, and the sims take forever to do anything. If any other sim comes in the room they *will* start a conversation and I have to micromanage or separate them, because otherwise my sim will just stand there in front of the task she's supposed to be doing and talk. And that kind of goes hand in hand with having conversations with multiple sims which I THOUGHT would be a good idea, but it turns out I can't even go on a date without the entire bar butting in on our conversation. When I play Sims 3 its often a relief when they just do the thing they're supposed to do, and talk with one another 1-on-1. Multi-tasking just made everything so much more tedious than it had to be. I never had to micromanage Sims in previous games as much as I have had to with this one.
I feel like open world could have worked in Sims 4. The worlds are so small that lag and loading wouldn't have been anywhere comparable to Sims 3. And besides that, most of the problems with Sims 3 were very poor optimization. Isla Paradisio, for example, was notorious for its lag, but that was entirely avoidable if EA had done the routing properly. Users uploaded a fixed version. This is the same reason current lag exists in Sims 4, they suck at optimizing their spaghetti-coded games. Doesn't even matter if you have a good computer or a bad computer, how much you invest in it, eventually Sims is going to lag and stop working simply because they refuse to optimize, and have a thousand different DLC's that don't work well together. Like, even though Sims 4 caters to casual gamers with lower end PCs, I can tell we are getting close to the point where EA says "Well if you're experiencing problems just play with certain packs uninstalled".
omg people constantly butting in on dates is the worst, you're right
Ahh I rarely care for multitasking nowadays because it slows everything down and makes it tedious to get anything done. It's not like Sims didn't eat/watch tv/play games and talk together in ts2 and 3. They did. And it was way less annoying.
I like some aspects and improvements of sims 4, but I feel that it would've been so much better as an open world. Some people treat open world with disdain because it "causes lag", but I heard that in reality it wasn't open world itself but the shitty optimization and code that caused it. And I can see for myself that even though sims 4 has no open world, there's still lag and poor optimization, so why couldn't we have some form of it anyway? And if low end pcs are going to get left in the dust anyway as the game continues, what was the point of taking away major gameplay aspects to cater to them in the first place??? (Most likely to make money for the first couple of years from players who had poor pcs though)
The only good multitasking is being able to eat and drink at the same time imo. Yes, eggs and toast with milk, please! Lol. Other than that though, yeah, you're right.
Multitasking is literally the WORST. It takes my sims forever to do anything, because they’re always busy having a conversation at the same time.
Thank you! I don't understand how people can stand the constant musical chairs and Sims running off with their plate in their hand rather than sitting at the effing table for five minutes! And it's basically impossible to have romantic conversations unless you've locked yourself into a bunker with your date.
I didn't play The Sims 4 until like 2015 and when I built my house I was freaking out because I couldn't find the burglar alarm. Also, thanks for your hard work!
Sims 2 and 3 are such charming games, full of little details and stuff, and so much to do! They made me actually want to stick to my family for a long time and see how things go, it's always very a very distinct path. In Sims 4, however, there are very few little things that make it charming, and I find myself playing for 1 hour at best and then getting bored and leaving for months lmao.
I've been playing the Sims since 1, and I remember being a bit skeptical about the Sims 2 - would it really be worth starting over, when I'd already bought all the expansion packs and downloaded so much custom content for 1?
And then 2 actually came out and just revolutionized the way the game played and looked and felt to such a degree that I could never go back. And while 3 wasn't quite as revolutionary as 2, it still added so many new elements that you couldn't go back to 2 without feeling their absence.
But 4 - 4 never managed that. It did some things differently, but not necessarily better, and it didn't add enough that was genuinely new. EA really should have realized that each new game has to be revolutionary, or people are just going to stick with what they're already comfortable with.
I am so glad I never had issues with the open world in Sims 3 and I don't even play on a high end computer. Instead I use a notebook and it never lags for me. Even when I play with all my expansions and literally so many mods and cc items
Same! I've always played the Sims 3 on MacBooks (I currently have a MacBook Air) and I've never had a problem with the game aside from the occasional game crash.
Same
I never had too many problems with Sims 3 until recently, aside from long loading times when starting the game up, and slight lag in build/buy mode (and I used lots of CC) but recently my laptop has been getting older and slower in general so the lag has been getting worse to the point where it's almost unplayable. (Yes I've downloaded mods to help with lag, unfortunately I think it's just an issue with my computer in general.)
Maybe I was oblivious or maybe those old Windows PCs were fcking A1 but I don’t remember the sims 3 being that laggy for me (even when I got all the expansions, except for island paradise 🙄😂)
For the most part I would play the game nonstop on the weekends/during breaks in the school year so I would keep the game open on my computer for maybe 3 days before it started to get laggy n unplayable (so I’d have to restart it)
It did take FOREVER to open tho, so knowing that alone I can’t imagine how hard it must’ve been for some ppl to play it
Right, it worked pretty well for me. Loading it up did take a long time but I'd just do something else in the meantime, go to the bathroom and make a cup of tea and scroll Twitter. Once inside the game it largely worked fine. The only other thing that caused issues was create-a-sim but that's because I downloaded a shitload of CC which took forever to load, particularly since the game would load swatches as individual items (they really did a good thing by changing that in TS4). I'd circumvent that problem by creating placeholder sims, place them in the world, and then enter CAS via NRaas Master Controller where I had selected the option to view CAS in compact mode (only one swatch per item would load). That worked a charm, though in the future I may look for a mod that automatically makes CAS compact like that :P
I played the sims 3 a bit when I was younger but I never could get into it bc it crashed every single time I tried to play and was really buggy. I prefer ts4 just because it actually runs and for me is relatively lag free. I was overwhelmed by the open world and prefer the closed world anyways.
This is just a theory, I'm not a computer buff, but people might have trouble with it because of 1) the lack of a frame limit and 2) the fact that most new graphics cards aren't even recognized by TS3. I believe there's a program that can adjust your graphics rules to make it work, similar to the TS2 Graphics Rules Maker. Once I did that on both my old and new laptops, they were able to run TS3 really well (too well-I had to get an FPS limiter both times, lol). There's also the save bloating and stuff that's a big part of the issue, and there's. Isla Paradiso. Bottom text. But again that might help people. :P
I remember it being "runable" for me. I didn't have some crazy gaming rig either
The Sims 3 is constantly laggy for me, and that's with my 2000$ beast PC. This is because Sims 3 itself is a horribly programmed video game. One of the best video games ever created, and the only that has ever, in the entire history of gaming, actually combined both Open World and Story Progression... But still poor programming. That's most likely because of the engine itself, as well as the 32 bit it has to run in. If EA were to actually give a single F about its players, they would update Sims 3 to 64 bit so we could actually play it again properly, but they've said for the past year that they never will. Just a single change, a 64 update, would cut the lag by at least half, if not more. The rest could be fixed with even just one NRAAS mod, and you'd have an unstoppable game
However... Island Paradise will never be playable. That's one world that a 64 bit update could never help. It's an unfortunate lost cause, and it is so disappointing because HOUSE BOATS. I don't even ever want to move the house boats from their port, but the fact that I could essentually have a house on the ocean?? Mind blowing
Story Progression is actually one of the main reasons I really like the wicked whims mod (or even it’s PG version) because it enables story progression at least to the point where sims are interacting and can have babies with their partners (or whoever they please 😏) according to their traits, relationship, and attraction/chemistry
That’s honestly why it’s such a GOATed mod for me 😂😂
The smirk 😭✋ I didn't know PG WW had story progression though! That's cool.
@@callmeobsequious Pretty sure it is ! I use wonderful whims and one of my sims friends found himself a wife and bought a house. I went to visit him when i saw that he has a spouse and it was weird like "since when did sims do this?" lmfaoo.
agreed. i love getting surprised that a sim has moved in with their partner and they have two kids together
literally though it's the work of one/a small group of people working off of community donations alone doing far better work of the big corporation and its employees
Ah, thought it was an official patch. So it's literally just the sex mod 😂
I bought the Sims 4 on release, played it until I saw a baby turn into a full grown child, closed the game and never touched it again until seasons released, I was completely disgusted at the removal of toddlers. I very much hope the development team have learned from these mistakes and won’t repeat them again if or when a Sims 5 happens.
The sims 3 generations was an INCREDIBLE. I adored making sims with imaginary friends and then getting my sim to figure out how to make their imaginary friends real. Proms were cool too
Can you believe the sims 4 launched without the family tree? Family-players were never on their minds
btw: lifestyles are as of today still broken babe
There are blips of time where I think “hey maybe I should now get TS4 when it’s on sale”…. Then I remember all the flaws it has and how they’ll continue to stack up, because the base itself is flawed
@@krisb.1565 Why buy on sale when you can get for free? There's nothing morally wrong about stealing from companies who refuse to listen to the people who made them rich
lol lifestyles 😅
Yup. I’m the type of person who plays the same family for dozens of generations. Not having a family tree was a dealbreaker for me. I literally played TS4 twice when it first released, then I uninstalled it and went back to TS3.
The family tree still sucks ngl
The next sims game should include an open world. It has been 12 years since the release of sims 3, & computers have significantly improved. In a 2022 or 2023 release you would think they could figure out how to support on open world without serious bugs.
Seriously. There's are tons of open world MMO's now with good graphics that run fine. Heck, there's also Breath of the Wild which is open world and beautiful and NOT requiring internet to play.
Hmm, considering the state they've released the Wedding pack in I wouldn't put any faith in EA giving their team the time required to make an open world game work.
I was in my early teens when sims 4 came out. I had grown up with 2 and 3 and was so excited that I pre-ordered the jam packed base. I sat and sobbed angry tears after trying to play it because it was such a disgrace. I didn't re-download it until 2019 and I still play sims medieval more than that incredible disappointment that is sims 4.
god sims medieval is a crazy masterpiece i still feel sad knowing it died so soon
@@katierasburn9571 It's so good😩. It loves to crash, but otherwise it's *chefs kiss*🤌
I love medieval so much. My saves keep corrupting for some reason but still, it’s such a fun game.
I re-download Sims medieval on my computer. And it refuses to load. I cried for the fact I wasted money, and for the fact that I couldn't play it! It was so fun!
GOD SIMS MIDIEVAL.... I have so much nostalgia around it omgg me and my little sister made a whole midieval world with all the characters from aphmau😭😭😭
I was so excited for the Sims 4 to come out... Then I started playing it: The closed world pissed me off a lot... The lack of toddlers made me so angry, I returned the game! I literally called Origin, got my money back, and didn't buy it again for 5 years when EA had a massive sale and I bought it for $5
4:50 TS3 was laggy and stuff due to the poor hardware at the time, a modern pc can handle it just fine. Well, not TS3 since it's 32 bit, where as modern games are now 64 bit. That's definitely not the reason why they didn't do open worlds. I think it was just better for the scrapped multiplayer, as many players in one world would cause some performance issues.
*Edit TS3 was also poorly coded, bugs everywhere, not to mention the last update to it broke it even more hence why it's recommended to buy TS3 on steam, before they released the broken final update..
Also, TS4 is lower res (highest texture being 1024) and lower poly (tomatoes in TS3 where round, TS4 their... sharp.) TS4 should preform significantly better at being an open world game than TS3 ever could.
I got ts4 for free one day when they were offering it… and even then to me it isn’t worth playing. It feels bland, like there’s no life or personality in the world and sims. I was so upset when it released, after playing ts3 for years just to get an incomplete game? It sucked. And I don’t like how they’re still creating new things to squeeze every ounce of money from us. Kits? What’s the point when there is cc? It seems like they’re targeting console players. IMO They need to either do a complete haul of the game and fix it, or just move on to the sims 5, which I think should be sims 2 + sims 3.
Yeah...my friend got it for free during that promotion and told me "this is so boring...idk how you can play this all the time" and laughed at me. I said "well it's a lot better with the DLC and CC...that's just the base game". They looked at the prices of the DLC and laughed at me some more. Looking back at that interaction...I'm not even mad. Lol.
We just need a The Sims 4.1 game released for free (FREE is the important part) with all the players packs (updated as well) added to it.
I got the Sims 4 on launch - huge mistake , I was in my early teens. Even with all the updates the initial betrayal still stings. Recently went back to sims 3 and downloaded sims medieval, I don’t think I’ll be returning to the sims 4. It’s still missing the little details that make the sims 3 feel more like a life simulator. I miss the newspaper from the sims 3 lol
i remember when ts4 first came out and i bought it. i was so so excited. i've played all titles, and i remember when i first had TS1 base game. i literally played it for hours every day. and i remember TS2 base game. the same thing...i would play the standalone game by itself, every day for hours. and then when the expansion packs came out the same thing would happen. and the same goes for TS3 base game and expansion packs (not all expansions of course, but most). so sitting down for the first time trying out TS4 base game, i expected the same thing. the disappointment i felt...i can't even put it to words. the base game is still meant to be playable and enjoyable on its own. and i could not enjoy it, at all. i was bored an hour into the game, it felt empty and lacking, and i could not for the life of me create an interesting sim, nor could i find an interesting townie. i think i played it for a couple hours and didn't play again :/
i've been playing more and more now though because of some expansions and of course, mods. but the fact that the base game is just absolute shite is inexcusable to me. EA ruined one of my favourite games and i've been hoping a new life simulation franchise will be created by other company, and thankfully, Paralives seems to be going quite well.
words can't explain how much i miss TS2 and TS3 and it would NOT have been difficult for EA to blend those two games, but make it more user friendly.
i miss the burglars tbh it was annoying when i was little and played the sims 3 but now i miss it sooo much
The sims 3 base game was amazing the only issue I had was there wasn’t enough cas not enough diversity in hair an clothes options but the base game to me was amazing it was a huge part of my childhood the only pack I ever got for it was university and that added SO SO MUCH it was like 6 packs now! I played with that pack so so much omg I’m having like nostalgic flashbacks thinking of it !
The story progression is really frustrating for me to this day. I tend to hyper focus on a family for at least a full generation, but if I do that now I have to eventually exit out and speed run a few existing families to continue their family lines! Even then I forget a lot and end up with entire towns of old people and no one else, except the family I’ve been currently playing!
Plumbella: I'm ready for a new game because it's been five years
Me, after playing the Sims 2 for 20 years: I'm not done yet, think I'll stay here for another twenty years
😂😂😂 YES ❤❤❤
The open world of sims 3 was an iconic step forward and sims4 thus felt like a step back...
I remember the first time my sims had a baby in the sims 4, and I was SO excited to see it as a toddler, and it turned into a child instead. I felt so robbed too. I was so upset😅
That was so bad. It was like seeing a newborn baby magically turn into a 10 year old
I remember when they gave the base game away for free one year during E3 and I genuinely thought it was just a demo. I spent an embarrassing amount of time looking for where to buy the full game
My darling Plumbella, surely you've heard of the recent-ish mod patch for the sims 3 that fixes the CAS and game lag by improving the amount of processes it can run at once. It is a literal miracle, could not suggest it more highly. Love ya guts!
What's the name of this mod?
@@TinyToonStar smooth patch i think
When I heard the robber rune my heart started racing. You can’t do this to me luv.
I knew that I wasn't going to love the Sims 4 as much as past games when Origin came in and you stopped being able to share game codes. (My sister and I both used to share). It veered so very heavily into being about the money and less about the players.
I have a few friends that just have my origin password and are able to log in on their own computers. all the expansion packs are shared between everyone, but everyone has their own save files and stuff on their own computer
ea be like 👁👅👁 💰💰💰
You can share origin games. My sister and I play our own games using one origin account
You can share your game and expansions. Just give them your origin log in. Only one person can be online at a time tho.
@@katelynwortman4180 y'all are really missing the point.
Oh my god I totally forgot about how much we didn’t have! We didn’t have toddlers, we didn’t have pools, we didn’t have proper hair colours, we didn’t have proper skin tones and so much more. There’s SO MUCH base game stuff we didn’t have at the beginning and though we have some of them now it’s just so hard to believe they weren’t included from the start. It really never occurred to me (especially as a console player) how lacking base game really is.
Also, I agree. I love the idea of a semi open world. Sims 3 on console was majorly different to the PC version. We had semi open worlds where you could visit neighbours or pop over to the park without a loading screen, but you did need a loading screen to go outside the neighbourhood. Honestly I never realised how good we had it until Sims 4. Now I feel like my Sims never go out and about because I can’t be arsed to sit and stare at that bloody spinning plumbob for 5 whole ass minutes… and it’s honestly a shame because now we have interactive townies who text our Sims asking them if they wanna go on a date, pop to their house or go to the flea market with them. But in reality you just don’t want to. Because the event itself that lasts,,, what,,,, 4 in game hours?? just isn’t worth the constant loading screens and probable crashing of the game in the process. I feel like in order for me to make the most of my Sims being out of the house I have to *keep* them out for at least 2 in game days!!! And for the sake of a karaoke night??? It’s kind of a joke. So yeah… semi open world would’ve been grand.
I also agree with what you said about the colour wheel. Honestly i don’t feel like it’s the end of the world that we weren’t gonna get create a style anymore, but the fact that they were sacrificing that for the sake of making other aspects of the game better …… and then they didn’t ..….. it just feels very disheartening. Like a lot of empty promises.
To sum up I kinda get the feeling that EA hyped up that TS4 was gonna be “revolutionary” and it honestly wasn’t.
And again especially as a console player who can’t get CC and mods to make the game better, I feel like I HAVE to buy all the expansions and stuff packs etc just to add more oomf to the game that should honestly have been there (for the most part) from the start anyway.
The life stages are also a little disappointing, especially teens. Personally I believe teens are very vanilla in TS4 in the sense that they just feel like young adults that go to school and do homework. They look practically the same and have mostly all the same fashion as the young adults, so when they age up you barely see any difference in them! With the Parenthood pack it meant that kids and teens could go through phases which added SOME depth to them, but even then they still don’t feel like proper teens. I liked that in Sims 3 they could throw house parties and get caught by their parents; I liked that if you went out after a certain time the police would round you up and drop you home. There are also many other things that made Sims unique in older games that I feel as though Sims 4 is definitely lacking- the life stages in my opinion being one of them. ((Also on a side note I COMPLETELY forgot that TS2 had 7 life stages!!?? Can we bring this back please!????😭😭))
Sorry! Rant over! Thanks Jess for the video. I always look forward to when you have these little rants because honestly if they’re not gonna listen to the rest of us I like to hope that they’d listen to you and all the other Sims TH-camrs out there instead. You guys are really the ones that have the voice within the Sims community so it makes me happy when you guys speak your mind and get all these feelings and opinions out in the open on behalf of the rest of us….. Otherwise I feel as though the Sims team would sweep these things under the rug even more than they already do.
Cheers babe we love ya xx
teens are so vanilla i agree so much! in the sims 3 which i played the most back then i remember how amazing the generations pack was because you COULD DO SO MUCH WITH TEENS AND KIDS AND LIKE YOU COULD HAVE SECRET HOUSE PARTIES OMGGGG
also can you imagine having a time travel pack for the sims 4 lmao sims 3 was so good already and the expansions felt like expansions
This is such a well rehearsed video. I love this! Can tell how passionate Jessie is about this game ❤️
I remember following the Sims 4 throughout pretty much it's entire pre-release period, and they had such huge ambitions for how open the game was going to be, but I remember that they started to do a lot of backtracking the closer it got to the game's release, saying how only the neighborhoods are going to be open world. Basically went back on their whole "no loading screens" thing.
My biggest problem with a closed world (that isn't even semi-open) isn't just the loading screens, it's that my sim can't even go do something at the neighbors, or whatever is next door, without forcing the rest of the famallamadingdong to interrupt everything they're doing Dx and thus results in my households becoming complete and utter homebodies.
the sims 4 absolutely should have been pushed back. i’m actually so glad i couldn’t afford it when it came out and stuck with sims 3 for so long because i think i would have regretted buying it earlier than i did. i also can’t believe after the backlash towards online play that they’re trying to make it happen again!! i do not want any sims online multiplayer stuff it makes no sense.
I stopped playing when kits came.
We already need to pay for SO MUCH just to make the game interesting and not flat, which is a problem itself, but now we have to pay more for just 10 cas items?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?????
I just feel disrespected...
I know i dont have to buy packs, but the base game is so flat and boring.
agreed. i miss when expansions to the game were interesting and worth the money. i remember the sims 3 had a time travel expansion as the second final expansion. it kept me entertained for so long, and it wasn't a once-off thing that became stale. stuff changed in the future if you were in the present and you could cause a dystopia or utopia it was so cool!!!
I have strong memories of having to make the game fun for myself when catching other families up to my main one in the Sims 2, and the RELIEF of not having to do it in the Sims 3. The Sims 4 tried to let non active households live their lives but honestly they really missed the mark and I appreciate you saying so
Biggest pet peeve is the loading screen when traveling to anywhere in the neighborhood 🤣
Funny thing is the laggy open world argument almost completely falls apart when you remember that Arnie made a really smooth open world *mod*
The sims 4 lacking story progression has always been kicker for me. I finally downloaded mccc mod and now I finally have story progression in my game! Agatha crumplebottom married Alexander goth 😳
What mod is it sorry
@@Aimeeeeef mc command center by deaderpool. It’s kind of tricky to get the settings right so I just found TH-cam videos to help
I remember when Sims 4 came out. I was so disappointed with it that I didn’t come back to it until 2020. So much has changed, it was a pleasant surprise.
I remember when Sims 4 first launched, and my friend and I (both long-time sims franchise players) both said 'nah, there isn't even toddlers.' We didn't buy the game for a couple years after launch because it simply couldn't hold our attentions over Sims 3 and its features - if I can't get gameplay on a similar level to the previous game, even in comparing base game to base game, why would I switch over?
I didn't bother to get Sims 4 to well after toddlers were added, and my friend just got Sims 4 about 2 years ago when it was on sale dirt cheap.
Honestly, I'm worried about how much is going to be cut for Sims 5 based on Sims 4 experience. I do not want to buy a brand new Sims game if basic features are missing and the game feels incomplete. If it happens again on the build up to Sims 5 where it's revealed that well-loved base game features are just not being added from the get-go in Sims 5, I can't see me wanting to buy it for several years.
I really miss the open world. Sims 3 runs great on my rig and always has as long as I don't add new CC or mods to a game I already started. If I run with no CC/mods (lol) it runs beautifully. Ran great on a laptop too? Maybe I just lucked out. I loved story progression and the different townies instead of the same 5 people over and over. 😑 Awful. Also I miss the fire fighter career?? And I don't really like the moods. But I will admit, build is way more intuitive and I like the premade rooms of you're feeling lazy.
I love the passion you have for gameplay and a commitment to quality lore. Its what breaks and makes a simulation game and thats what EA fails to understand. You are one of the few sims youtubers I can stand watching without cringing from them sucking up to the lousy state of the game and saying players should be grateful.. Like we didnt pay hundreds of dollars and still didnt get what we asked for. What a shame for EA. I hope they come to their senses and release free gameplay additions.
Jesse single-handedly carrying the ENTIRE sims franchise
Thank you for all the research and hard work you put into this. You gave some really thorough insights that I agree with. The sims 4 needs a lot of work and in my opinion they should tie up loose ends before continuing on to the sims 5. I would gladly sacrifice releases of kits and packs in order for them to refresh old packs and fix things like babies.