Did I miss something? (Loki Episode 2 Recap)
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I think this is just another symptom of Marvel Studios mandating a 6-episode structure for these shows. Look at how Andor worked well with a 12-episode structure, even WandaVision and She-Hulk fared better with 9 episodes (but, personally, I think WandaVision was still better in its storytelling than She-Hulk).
Hard agree. I'd definitely prefer fewer Marvel series with more episodes. Andor getting to have multiple arcs in a season was great, but that should be the norm, not what makes it special.
Wandavision was actually a compelling story. She-Hulk...not.
@@TimByrd Personally, I enjoyed She-Hulk for what it was, but I stated in my comment that WandaVision had better storytelling.
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I actually did have that thought. "Why can the door lock from the inside....?" but then the scene ended and I didn't care.
Something definitely got cut. I was so confused that the X5 guy suddenly had a personality and that "those were people" just felt so lackluster. They should have shown people living on the alternate time lines so that we could actually care, instead of just watching squiggly lines..
I felt the same way, they could’ve at least cut to footage of people suffering in the alternate timelines, even very briefly. We never get a sense of what the pruning looks or even feels like to the people in these timelines, it’s just kinda thrown upon us lazily and we’re left to put the pieces together. Overall the way they’ve done it has made for an eerie, less revealing experience but it’s not like these timelines even feel lived in so the impact is much less felt
Just bad writing I’m afraid
If I remember correctly Sylvie's McDonalds universe didn't even get pruned, it was one of the few that they didn't get to before they were stopped.
Every single one got pruned tho
@@Artzera824 Nope, Loki and the others stopped them before they got to all of them. Most branches were destroyed but not all of them, Sylvie even went back to the McDonalds afterwards
He even shows a clip of the end of the episode with her back in that timeline lol
Genuinely curious how he thinks it got pruned.
@@Addy0302I think it was fake. Like she was using an illusion just to feel like she still had that branch
@@ailingmermaidno. That universe was safe
Thank you Nando, I also felt like this was episode 3 and I missed something. A few minutes into the episode, I had to go back to the menu to double check if I missed something
Same!!
I immediately had to check if I was watching episode 2. It really did feel like I skipped an episode.
To me, it just felt like a TV show. Like randomly watching an episode of Dr. Who, there's obviously a bigger story going on but they give you just enough context for the episode to make sense.
If Marvel's really going to treat their streaming shows like TV and not like 6-hour movies, I'm guessing we're going to get some more "jarring" openings.
It’s not just you.
seriously we were so confused we rewound to episode 1 just to check if we missed something
It's me 😢
The only thing is x5 is an actor which was explicitly said in episode 2 and I'm surprised how people want to see loki and and morbius going to the crono bay and tracking his tempad 💀 it's like 2 mins scene ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@IamSqueaky Yeah, I’m confused why people are confused. Episode 1 ended with them filing thru a time door to go do clearly evil things, why are we shocked about that happening? It’s all set up…I know casual fans who are less confused than the armchair experts of the MCU lol.
Seems like Loki’s been taking too many notes out of Steven Moffat’s book
Yep. Watching that fight against those loyalists it really felt like it was a season finale type of fight with the stakes of billions of lives in danger. Except it was built up in an instant, and over even quicker.
Unsure how much I feel about this season until I'm finished with the season. But I was very happy about how much magic he used in the opening chase. It was more than he used in the entire first season.
Yes, I’ve been so happy with all of the magic and how intimidating he’s been
Maybe the ‘missing’ episode was really boring and they figured we’d catch up. Like watching TV back in the day; you miss a week because something keeps you from watching. You are able to figure out what’s going on.
exactly. he figured out the time jump. what's the problem?
@@negative_charismaBecause it’s a story. A show is not a list of information.
you have to actually put some effort to actually build connections between ideas.
As a story it’s all over the place but as a viewing experience I’m having fun so far. The actors are carrying
They've not given anything to B15 to do and that other D4 guy may aswell not exist. Casey's whole demeanor had changed and OB is just a quirky tech guy. Loki and Mobius are the only ones carrying so far. Even Sylvie seems lackluster and x5 was good but don't think he'll show up again now.
My biggest complaint of the first season was that the season felt compressed, like it was supposed to be a full season but it was squeezed into only 6 episodes for the budget.
Season 2 had the same issues.
I assumed loki had the key to get in the interrogation room
Bad moon door lady is General Dox.
I agree, we should have had an episode or at least 5 minutes where we just see Sylvie living a happy life, see from her POV when Loki comes in and interrupt it all.
I think we’re seeing the biggest issue with these 6 episode series. Loki needs 10 1 hour episodes per season to let the story breathe
I was just about to say this. No matter how good a show feels, if you don't give it enough room to breathe, you're going to have a few holes like this.
Marvel already has said that they are planning on making longer series with more seasons and more episodes per season, the next one (Echo) will be the last one with 6 episodes
no it doesn't, that's how we get 3 episodes of filler like we do most of the time
@@DragonKeeper69 sometimes you need filler for proper pacing
@@lucassm21 Yeah and that’s a good thing
I didn’t feel it like we skipped a lot it was kind of all implied and rouge hunter story was kinda cleared immediately but I feel like the show trusts the audience to be smarter
That’s a nice way of saying that they didn’t bother to properly flesh things out.
“They implied it so maybe they just think we are smart enough to assume things they didn’t show at all.” 🤣
@@PoosinPdid those things need to be fleshed out ?
@@PoosinP I mean if the writers were limited on the amount of time given for each episode, they will have to cut corners and will focus on efficient storytelling over "more fleshed out" storytelling. A story doesn't need to get into every detail to tell a story, thats from what I can tell is the purpose of these series on Disney+ are experimental stories to help gauge audience interest for their theatrical releases. Thus not needing to spoon feed the audience every single plotbeat and allow focus on the whole project.
@@chrisbliss6656I’m saying. People are complaining about the show when they would’ve complained if they showed what they’re were complaining about😂
Yes. I felt like there was about half an episode missing, not necessarily a full one, but still a bunch of missing stuff.
Didn't feel there was a missing episode, made perfect sense to me
Until you mentioned it I didn’t notice the locked from the inside door thing!😂
Season 2 is about glorious purpose for Loki, Sylvie, and all the TVA Agents.
Everyone is gonna find themselves.
I think a better episode 2 would've been staying with Slyvie and x5 and connecting with their worlds. Then either gets pruned in the 3rd episode so it actually feels like we lost something instead of these hypothetical places we never seen
I def felt like this episode skipped from the 1st to this 2nd one while leaving some stuff out. I'm not sure why it was such a time hop. It sucks cause this episode is great but not everything is connecting. This episode should've been the 3rd one
oh that's actually a good suggestion.
I started ep 2 and had to go back to watch the end of ep 1 cus I thought I missed the ending
I'm vibing with this show so hard... I loved the "jump" honestly. X5 spending his time in the 70's was part of the setup I believe.
Tbf lots of shows have little time skips that you’re supposed to just kinda have implied information. Breaking Bad does this a lot I think, and maybe some of The Walking Dead.
I don't understand this expectation people have of knowing what the show is or will become at all. If by one third of the way through a show I'm even _confident_ about how it'll end, that doesn't bode well. Take me on the journey and I'll react in real time, unfettered by expectation! I certainly didn't have much of a sense of where or how S1 would end by the end of E2. 😵💫
I think the difference is (not my opinion, but I understand the point) a question of what vs how. You can understand what they need to do but not know how they’re gonna accomplish it and I think that’s interesting enough for people not to think of it as predictable
@devmmm8617 well, said. Kind of like dramatic irony.
@@devmmm8617 I get that, but being frustrated or disappointed from not knowing either that 'what' or that 'how' is what I don't get… :) That's what the upcoming, as-yet-unseen episodes are for IMO - if I'm being entertained in real time, I trust the creators to piece the bigger picture together over time.
They showed B-15 listening to X-5 getting the orders to find Sylvie and she was there in 1977
"What are we doing here?" is a good question. The show seems to have become a police procedural without any direction. Also they seem to have completely forgotten that Loki is an Asgardian who has gone toe-to-toe in a fight with Thor.
Apparently signs mention tokens in the TVA, so there is some system about how much stuff the agents can get.
The only consistent logic is that every branch that deviates from the sacred timeline creates another kang variant. Therefore, no matter what people are like on a branch the only thing that matters is preventing timelines that leads to dangerous kangs.
Lmao I never caught on that they locked that interrogation room from the INSIDE
it was slightly jarring (though that is way too strong of a word for it) but it didn't take me longer than 15 or so seconds to figure out what was happening... but personally i like it when shows sometimes don't walk me through things; i kinda like having to infer plot points that i may otherwise consider to be boring or filler.
also, the show does seem like it's gonna bounce around time a bit so it wasn't all that surprising (better word than jarring).
I don't know how much effort goes into your Owen Wilson but its weirdly spot-on
Locking the jail cell from the inside -- I could imagine Loki doing that with magic.
The magic scene was really cool, but my favorite moment was the first interrogation where X-5 starts ragging on Loki, and Mobius tries to stop it but Loki's like "No-". I thought it was going to be a moment where he was mature enough to take that abuse and not have it affect him, but then the camera cuts back to Tom Hiddleston doing *the* Loki face and he says somthing like "This is fascinating". In that moment, there was zero guaruntee that X-5 was going to survive what he said next and I loved it.
I am only 5 min in to the chat, but wanted to chime in (you might pre-empt this), but for me Episode 2's pacing mostly felt like an issue with a lot of "say, don't show". They tell me X-5 is a 'great' hunter. They tell me the TVA is going to fall apart unless they find a Kang-proxy. They tell me Dax (is that the bad general character) is evil. They tell me billions of people die as the timelines trim. They tell me Sylvie is happy in her job (this one they try to show - a little - at the end). All of those things weren't really earned... and it's not that any of them isn't plausible or isn't consistent with the world as seen, but taking so many things as written seems to run counter to the 'question what is going on' mentality the show wanted to cultivate in season 1, at least.
I loved episode 1 and 2. The beginning of episode 2 wasn't jarring for me at all. I've loved it so far and am so excited for the rest of the season!
We were quite confused too and even restarted the episode to see if we accidentally skipped a scene between the recap and Loki & Mobius walking out of the time portal into the 70ies. Definitely felt like there was something missing there, not necessarily a whole episode but at least an extra scene 🎬 🤔 So yeah, enjoyable episode but with a weird start.
The posters in the TVA talking about Key Lime Pie say that you're not allowed to "share tokens". So that's how they pay for them.
My girlfriend said almost the same thing her exact words were “this is the most Loki-ing we’ve seen Loki do this whole show”
Gaslighting paul rudd wasn't a scenario i could come up with 😂
Genuinely don’t know how you could come to the conclusion her timeline was pruned when you show a clip of her BACK in it at the end lol
OB to be the next Kang is the best casting idea you've ever had.
Needed another episode. Have episode 2 start w Loki explaining to Mobius and friends about what he saw in the future. Then they need to find Sylvie, realize they need to find x5. Rest of episode plays out until Loki walks up to the counter and sees Loki.
Episode 3: Begins from Sylvie’s perspective. Dox/x5 are hunting her; she ends up in the Macdonald branch and begins to form relationships and connections. We see this in a montage like format. This makes us care about the people on this branch and shows that all these “variants” have lives/feelings/worth. We see x5 spot Sylvie and radio to Dox; however, X5 has seen how much Sylvie is enjoying her life and grows jealous. He wants the same thing for himself. We see him open a portal, he hesitates, changes it, then steps through (explains him going rogue and becoming an actor). This episode (shorter in length) ends w Sylvie seeing Loki walk up to the counter. Or you could have this flashback only take 20 ish minutes and then pick up the story from the end of episode 2, doesn’t really matter.
But now, things make more sense and bc we spent so much time seeing the lives of “variants” we would actually feel something when they branches begin to get pruned
I can imagine OB replacing the Molecule Man role in Secret Wars. It would be cool to see him work with Doctors Strange & Doom to save fragments of the multiverse.
This is essentially an early One Small Change video and im not mad at it 😂
I feel like so far this is one of the rare instances where weekly episodes hurt a little bit. I think it would have been a bit easier to follow the gap between episode 1 and 2 if everyone watched them together.
I didn't even think about it when watching it, but afterwards when everyone was saying it I noticed that yeah it feels like there was a scene or two missing.
What if this is timeslipping. We the audience are watching them out of order and the 2nd chronological episode will come later.
Gosh why do you have to be so good at this
I paused and made sure I didn’t click the wrong episode
IM SO GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE
Making Orobourous someone else is HILARIOUS to me, because in the comics most of the TVA is staffed by clones of "Moby" Mobius M. Mobius including Mr. Tesseract, Mr. Paradox, and Mr. Orobourous.
If you listen when timelines are being bombed they clarify that only 30% of Branches were bombed. Not all of them were bombed. Probably the screen was just focused on the area were the bombing was intense.
It was handled quickly yes bt only 30% of Branches wea bombed
The jarring feeling would've been alleviated if they just added an X amount of time later crawl.
I did not realize that was the same TVA agent in S2E1 until you said this....
I love how everyone thinks there right and soo smart but they can't piece together that time went by. It's like people need to be spoon feed the same structure over and over
The timeline sylvie was in didn't get destroyed. I don't know how you came to that conclusion given that she went back there. The agents didn't destroy all the branches. Just some.
Ehh, I don't think the episode was bad. It works. Like you, I get the feeling they are trying to keep the pace up.
It's understandable if they are trying to avoid the wheel spinning like Secret Invasion (the last thing they want is another series deemed boring and slow).
Like you mentioned, there are moments that could have been added to the hypothetical "epsiode 2" that would have made moments in this hypothetical "episode 3" more *IMPACTFUL* . But in their 6 episode format it seems they simplified and went with what works.
I'd only be worried if there were alot more obvious jumps and cuts starting the next episode.
There are some posters that mention tokens - the same ones that mention the 17-minute breaks. Real "company store" setup
Side note. It would've been cool if this episode had a post credit scene of a trailer for Zainiac a new marvel presentation that was filmed in secret premiering the next week.
I was thinking the exact same thing when I watched it, I was like did I miss an episode, I had to go back and look cause I was so confused
YES I was so confused for like half an episode!
This is the first time Nando and I thought the EXACT. SAME. THING.
To be honest, I didn't really feel that type of Whiplash. They said they were gonna go look for Sylvie, and that's what they do, they go look for Sylvie
why tho?
The filler episodes are what people have been complaining about for years, even outside of Disney. Especially when this is a weekly thing removing and unnecessary side quest when the audience could just connect the dots or not even care is better.
I think the only show I’ve seen that has properly done filler is Andor. Those prison episodes kept me engaged where I wasn’t like “what about the main story”
i wanna know how u got the pc the background, i want that too
I firmly believe O.B will be the one to build the wristband-that-let’s-you exist-without-glitching from Spiderverse since MCUs multiverse is facing those rules right now
I don't feel like we skipped anything. X5 asking Morbius about a calling and touching heads with Dox was enough to set up Brad being on the timeline. And Sylvie having He Who Remains' tempad sets up how the gang is going to redo the fight at the end of episode 2 until they don't lose any branches and go back and prune Loki from episode 1 in the finale.
Definitely felt like there was some cuts relating to the Bad Lady.
Loki & Co figure out what she's doing, 30 seconds later, it's resolved.
I think they're more doing wibbly wobbly timey wimey and things will make sense by the end of the season and will feel whole and not rushed.
for half the episode I legit thought that it was purposefully out of order, like the season would be told out of order as like a cool experiment where it all comes together at the end, you know time travel shit. then i realized it just skipped a bunch
I think (or maybe hope) that loki season 2 is the story of how loki becomes a villain again. I think he will end the show siding with kang, setting him up to fight the avengers again in kang dynasty but with very different motivations.
I had so many questions during this episode too.
Did Matt just admit that superhero fatigue is real?! Bro it totally is
It's a non-linear story. I'll bet anyone here $20 that we come back round to the events of the first 2 eps again but from a different perspective in time. There is a quote you can hear in one of the trailers, Loki says "what could we have done differently ?" and I think that's a clue as to how this season is going to end up. They're going to fail then have to go back around & try again. During that 2nd go round, I'm pretty confident the gaps will be filled in.
Thank you! I was wondering if my episode 1 got cut off early or something since I just couldn't for the life of me figure out where all these things had happened in between.
I liked it. We know b-15 from last ep has changed the tva as basically its new functional leader. The judge is obviously administratively the leader but b-15 seems to be the main person in day to day operations in charge. Loki and mobius are trying to get sylvie to help Loki close his time loop from ep 1. Sylvie needs to be in the elevator. In ep 2 OB finds out the new tva needs miss minutes to overide or to get he who remains variant aka victor timely as seen in quantumania end credit scene.
The tva in ep 2 was split into general lady loyalists or I guess ae can call them fundamentalists. And then the new tva which wanta to preserve timelines and only stop he who remains or threats to destroying other universes
The scene with the shadow Loki’s wearing the helmet was fucking awesome. Love the portrayal of Loki’s powers
Because of Loki having the time travel aspect it can have shows air out of order and fill in the pieces later.
i generally struggle with maintaining full attention so i assumed it was just me not paying attention as to why i wasnt following
theres also so little development between brad and loki and mobius before this and theyre acting like hes been fully established
i was looking up brad wolfe expecting it to be some real actor or something as i was jumping to meta explanations i was so confused
there’s definitely got to be some heavy missing filmed footage
wild
Disjointed time and cause-effect is the primary theme of the season. You're supposed to feel like you missed something.
The magic he used in this episode was probably the most unique display of magic from Loki cause before it was just clones and knives and the occasional disguise like the god of mischief only got 3 tricks?
Yeah, when they pruned those branches I didn't feel anything. They were just lines
Glad I’m not the only one
It was a time jump. I'm sure they will have flashbacks or Loki will time slip again. And B-15 saying "those were lives" doesn't require scenes showing said lives. It's a no brainier that those timelines were filled with lives lol. You don't have to spend time with people to feel pain and remorse when they are gone. If a country is attacked and their are mass casualties, you would still feel sadness and pain for them right? The TVA, B-15 especially, have been pruning people and whole timelines for as long as they can remember. Now that they know the truth they know the cost and tragedy of their actions. They have remorse for what they've done and they want to right their wrongs. But then their good deeds are undone in a blink. So their reactions are justified and make sense imo.
Honestly, if they held our hands and explained everything beat by beat, people would complain that it's written for 5 year olds. But that's just my opinion. Love this show and Tom's acting is so good.
Love your comment!!!
@@ChocolateThaiE Thank you!
Literally my exact reaction
Dude I felt the SAME. Ugh, I thought I was crazy.
This reminds me of the episode that was cut from What If season one where Tony Stark and Gamora teamed up. The episode never aired but Gamora and her Infinity Stone crusher ended up being very important to the finale of that show. That was arguably a much more awkward cut, so I think with time this Loki situation will recede to the back of people's memories.
Episode one ended with Loki telling Mobius they got to find Sylvia and General Dox telling X5 the same. So episode 2 started off with Loki and Mobius at the last location X5 temp pad was used. I’m confused why so many people are confused.
Same. When the episode opened I was thrown off but instantly caught on to what was happening.
But when and how did X5 find Sylvie before Loki and why didn't he prune her or her timeline after he found her?
@@BaithNahe didn’t prune her because she is happy and living a life. The same thing he now wants/wanted. He couldn’t take that away from her.
Theory: one of the future episodes is going to fill in some of the holes.
The non-sequential approach will serve a purpose.
I was like “wait which episode am I on?”
I thought I was going crazy, so I'm glad it wasn't just me. 😅 Had to go back to check that I didn't actually miss anything.
i didn’t feel like we missed anything personally i can’t see that this season is about them trying to save the timelines and in the end they won’t be able to which will lead into deadpool/kang dynasty and secret wars
Feels like the time jump that usually happens between seasons of a show.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that felt this xDD
I do agree that it was weird that the one leader lady just abruptly wants to try and undo the season 1 stuff, I don’t think it’s filler to push back jonathon majors’ appearance because this was definitely made prior to the allegations and as far as I remember they didn’t do any critical reshooting based on the allegations but maybe they’ll have some kind a of time based explanation for it but I hadn’t even thought about it until watching this video, I’m now praying we don’t get another secret invasion quality season of a show and judging by the second episode I feel that the quality control at least for Loki is good
I think I am one of the few that got it. They already told us that X5 was going after sylvie in episode 1
Yeah I agree
Completely agree
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