Did the finale save Loki Season 2?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ย. 2023
- Did season two of Loki hold up?
Check out the Nando v Movies Patreon - / nandovmovies
Here's the Discord link. / discord
The Nando v Movies Merch Store - store.nebula.app/collections/...
MOSTLY NITPICKING PODCAST
iTunes I apple.co/2lMcoVv
Google I tinyurl.com/y6nnxte5
Stitcher I bit.ly/2NbZFZ4
Spotify I spoti.fi/2Oc5Qg4
OTHER STUFF
Patreon I / nandovmovies
Discord I / discord
Reddit I / nandovmovies
Twitter I / nandovmovies
Facebook I / nandovmovies
Instagram I / nandovmovies
Music by Epidemic Sound
![BOWKYLION - เจ้านายคะ (work-life imbalance) [Official MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/6bFj8G2pOi4/mqdefault.jpg)
One thing I noticed while rewatching this episode is that He Who Remains over acting goes away the second Loki shows the control he has and how far he has come, once he does that He Who Remains has someone on the same level as him who has spent so much time alone that he cuts the acting and talks to Loki as an equal.
Its such a good detail that adds a remarkable amount of depth to the character of HWR
I really enjoyed how they represented two characters who exist, if not quite outside of then certainly beyond time.
This.
Great observation
This exactly. He’s a bored god who’s been alone for infinity, so he amuses himself as he can.
If the MCU ever visits Yggdrasil, I’d expect Loki to behave in an echo of this, at least at first.
I loved the entire season and especially the finale. Loki is the best Disney marvel show to me. Although every episode wasn’t a banger, they always left me wanting more. I’ve watched the conversation between Loki and He who Remains so many times. It’s my favorite thing in the mcu. Majors delivery shows that he knows way more than he’s telling Loki. When he says, “I know… champ” it gives me chills and makes me smile from ear to ear.
That’s a good way to describe it…every episode wasn’t a banger but it left me watching more. And the finale was outstanding
I’m pretty sure Nando didn’t enjoy the season as much because he got confused by the plot. He gave me the impression that he thought that the characters knew that the loom activating the fail save would erase everything but the sacred timeline which would make many of the conflicts make way less sense, while in fact only He Who Remains knew it would happen and everyone else realized it right at the end of episode 5, otherwise the conversation between Loki and Silvie on that episode wouldn’t make sense. Of course he wanted to save the TVA, he wanted the version of his friends he knew back, he didn’t know everything would die, he wouldn’t have given up otherwise.
Also notice how HWR communication is different from season 1. He isn’t BSing Loki anymore. They’re on a similar playing field. It’s a chess match.
100%. People seem to miss this though
@@CrossOutBryce which is a shame, because it adds so much more context to the character! I am glad you pointed it out @sigmabrent
I don’t quite understand how the Sylvie stance was missed. It’s her whole point throughout the whole first season.
“Better to die on your feet than live on your knees” mentality. Death with free-will is better than life with predetermined outcomes.
But at he same time she was willing to sacrifice every living thing/life because of what she believes in. It awfully reminds me of the mindset of Thanos, and of He Who Remains. People will live life based on the principles she values, or they will live not at all.
Loki was willing to compromise, to brainstorm, asked her for collaboration, but she wasn't even able to acknowledge that she fucked up. Idk, I would be pretty terrified if someone told me something I did caused the death of all life. She was like: I would do it again LOL. XD
@@pepita2437Loki never thought this way in avengers. He believed “free will is the ultimate prison” and held on to that belief killing many. He changed and I think his action of sacrifice might have changed Sylvie too.
@@ddwow566 I'm really sorry, but that 'ultimate freedom is prison' line smells like the Other's influence. (we hear several similar lines from Ebony Maw too)
Loki is the god of tricks, lies, and chaos. ;P And he never says those lines again.
If you open the wiki page, you'll figure out that Loki (after he was fished out of the void) was influenced by the Other, and even by the staff (mind stone.) His memories were twisted too. (Loki remembered Thor pushing him off the Bifrost, and just listen to his conversation with Odin before he gets sentenced)
We don't really have much for Sylvie. She was prepared to let all living things die. She literally said, "I don't care, and I would do it again."
And yes, Loki's sacrifice did change her, but it certainly didn't made her more likeable.
Silvi wasn’t convinced that she should save the TVA because she retained her memories and the last time the loom exploded it just sent them back to their original timelines. From her perspective the crisis they were preparing for was a false alarm. She had to see her adopted reality break down herself before she realized there was still real danger.
For Silvie it was the TVA dying, not the timelines. Just when it hit her in her adopted timeline, she realizes that it will kill all branches
Yep, she saw the TVA as an artificial construct made only to ruin lives. At the beginning of episode 5 she was under the impression that things were working. Loki even admitted he was being selfish.
When she learned that everything was dying she went and tried to help fix everything.
The season was already good it didn’t need to be saved .
Hyperbole, a commentator’s greatest tool. Love Nando but I agree, season was already good.
@@lucascassol2995In general sure, but Nando? He doesn't use a lot of hyperbole usually. If anything, he downplays a lot.
Well I thought a few episodes in s2 had some quality issues, def not as tight as s1 and thats my only point of comparison
@@gerrya2133 true true, makes it extra weird with the title though. Out of character.
My only complaint is that I would've wanted to see his variants again. Especially Kid Loki since every single member of the Young Avengers are all introduced!
In ep 5 the loom already exploded and at the point that Loki and Sylvie were discussing they thought the multiverse was fine, the issue was that the TVA got destroyed. Sylvie is against the TVA because she doesn’t believe that the system can be reformed and she doesn’t want to help because all the TVA members got returned to their lives in the timeline, which she believes is right. Loki wants the TVA to protect them from Kang and the Multiversal War, but also mostly because he doesn’t want to lose his friends because his biggest fear is to be alone.
That’s why when Sylvie found out that the branches were being spaghettified she went to help.
But Loki was literally going around to all his 'friends' saying that they had to do this or everything was in danger. Then we get that convo between he and Sylvie where he's like "oh you're right I'm being selfish to have my friends, we actually don't have to save everything." The turn really made no sense.. he knew that the timelines were in danger and that them being at their place on the timelines living their 'lives' could not last.
I think she knew they were being spaghettified but thought she could always run away from it. her McDonalds food got spaghetti'd, and during her bar visit with Loki, the shot that was for Loki disappears and she looks down at it (off screen) and he tries to drink from it later and it's gone. I think once her home was being unraveled, she wasn't freaking out or confused, she was defeated. She had no choice. I think having HWR's Tempad made her feel safe and powerful.
@@garretcamp9490 the “save everything” is referring to the multiversal war and Loki thinks that they need the TVA as a line of defense, however because of the loom exploding every member was returned to their place on the timeline and had their memories erased. Sylvie’s point was that Loki should just leave them to their own lives and that they shouldn’t be forced to go back to work for a place that literally kidnapped and basically brainwashed them. Loki accepted because she made him realize that the major reason of why he wants to bring back the TVA so badly is because without it he won’t have anyone, his friends will forget about him and he’ll be alone. Loki letting them go is him kinda forcing himself to not be selfish and let these people, who neither know him nor were involved in this mess, to continue to live their normal lives.
But I also kinda agree that was kinda messy, I think that because I’m not totally sold on Kang and the Multiversal War it didn’t really feel like a immediate threat.
The entirety of the timeliness literally spaghettify into non-existence tho...
They didn't get returned to their timelines.. it's people that didn't get taken out of the timeline
The finale made me retroactively appreciate all the multiversal stuff in the MCU since Endgame a bit more simply because the episode suggests Time God Loki is sitting there and making sure Shang's Mother's dimension/universe, Wanda's kid's dimension/universe, Ms. Marvel's villains dimension/universe, so on and so forth all exist because Loki wanted it for them and his friends more than he wanted his own singular sacred dimension/universe.
I don't think the tension between Loki and Sylvie in S2 was that hard to figure. Sylvie thought getting rid of the TVA and the Sacred Timeline would release every timeline to just exist. Loki believed He Who Remains when he warned that killing him/destroying the timeline released a multitude of Kang variants. Neither thought that allowing the Loom to explode would destroy everything. They only found that out in Ep 5, after the Loom exploded.
Her character was kinda floundering IMO. I still liked the season overall, but she went from an incredibly driven, charismatic, and motivated character to one that kinda just wants to IDK work at mcdoja and drive a beat up truck and doesn't care about anything.
This is the most egregious example of Nando just not paying attention. I was pulling my hair out listening to that portion of the video. Whether these reasonings are good or bad is irrelevant. The motives were clearly stated. And can be seen in each action Sylvie took in the show. Just a clear oversight by him to the point of misinformation
@@charliericker274Because she accomplished her mission of killing HWR. The job was done. Her whole purpose was to be free to live without threat of being pruned.
@@TheGentlemanVox Also season 1 was more Sylvie's journey. Season 2 was truly Loki's.
@@browsin_on_inqognitoyeah man this was just legit nando being dumb
It was indeed a home run. After I finished watching it I savoured it for hours. He grew into the kind of god he needed to be and made a truly heroic sacrifice.
Just happy that this show got an actual ending. Truly hope that they resist the urge to meddle with this, don’t need Time God Loki tagging in The Watcher so he can help out in Secret Wars.
That actually sounds like what will happen. 🤣
He's definitely showing up in Kang Dynasty or maybe Secret Wars
I wouldn't mind Loki God of Stories as a background character in Secret Wars. Kang is definitely coming for him
@@asdkotable The council is coming for the TVA and him. So this idea that he's not gonna show up again is funny.
They're making hi, the overseer of the Secret Wars over the Beyonderbor something
At a certain point I really thought Loki was gonna kill Sylvie to save the timelines. But I wasn't really expecting the route he was gonna go down. I still feel sad for Loki thinking that he has to sit there for eternity now.
He'll figure something out. He always does.
I LOVED the whole Groundhog Day bit. Very well done!
they did not know the loom exploding would erase all timelines besides the sacred timeline. they didn't know that till Loki talked with he who remains again via time slipping. All they knew was that it blowing up would destroy the TVA.
Also form my understanding they didn’t know the timelines would die if the loom exploded, they only knew the TVA would get erased. That’s why Loki gave up after talking with Silvie, then he realized that failing to prevent the loom from activating the fail save would not just destroy the TVA but also all of the branches. That was the big reveal of episode 5, that’s why Silvie was telling Loki that everyone at the TVA should just take their place on a timeline
Honestly, throughout the entirety of Loki the only bad moments were the weird beginning of episode 2 (needed maybe one scene of extra context) and the Loki/Sylvie relationship. The latter of the two was basically dropped and literally had the characters point out how weird it was, and the former was still a great episode. This show is the crowning glory of the MCU shows.
I think He Who Remains is arrogant because he defeated Kang, so his whole personality is just constantly looking down at you, laughing at your shortcomings and failures. Meanwhile, Timely is full of shortcomings and failures, but he's still a genius for his time. Both very interesting choices for Majors
Maybe because i binged it, this season was so exhilarating to watch. I loved the varying character motivations, the chaos and tension that is just constant.
I think I loved every episode of Loki! Especially the finale
The entire show was great. Loved it. (the stakes felt very clear to me - Sylvie was only on the opposing side when she thought nothing was wrong). Plus they gave Loki an arc. Some episodes didn't further his arc as much but those were more stakes-heavy. That complete arc was amazing.
This is the creative team they should have on the main movies and such. Compelling character and stories, these guys can clearly do smaller scale stories if needed as well.
Day 22 of me asking for a fancasting video of Mass Effect characters if we get a live action.
I enjoyed all of S2. Im just saying, we are getting comic book entertainment and it's gonna end someday. Im gonna enjoy it as much as I can.
Episode 5 gave no conclusive indication that the timelines were actually in danger from the loom being overburdened(and only one small hint that the episode intentionally distracts from) until the end proved that Loki happened to be right(though not in the way Loki thought, as episode 6 covers). And Sylvie didn't say Loki was just lonely, she insisted what most of the audience already thought by that point in the season- that his feverish entirely fear-based motivation throughout the season didn't make sense for his character and he had no proof- leading Loki himself to admit that what was driving him was that he just didn't want to be alone, which Sylvie merely consoled him about
I don't know if you just weren't paying attention or if you're genuinely this bad at media analysis
The entire season was fantastic. It didn't need to be saved by its finale.
The ending felt like it was something directly out of Shin Megami Tensei: a protagonist character we had been following gaining godly powers and ascending to a throne.
I am so glad someone compared this ending to some anime/video game logic because as the finale was unfolding, I was getting majorrrrrrrrrrr Magica Madoka vibes
This one was nuts! It actually completely changes how you see EVERY conversation that came before. Like totally. Including the first episode of the series.
It's kind of obvious. They flash back to it in the finale. The names of the episodes are the same. But it's literally like, every moment in episode 1 is changed by the finale in some way. It's absolutely wonderful.
The care that the MCU has put into Loki overall should be the same care that the MCU puts into Dr Doom as well as Magneto. Those characters deserve long full arcs across movies and TV.
the entire season was fantastic. it didn't need to be 'saved'
who the hell thought this season needed saving anyway, apart from the first two episodes this was easily one of the most solid works from the MCU since the last avengers, easily one of the best seasons theyve put out since loki season 1
That's an extremely low bar. The finale didn't save the season because it failed to justify or explain anything that had happened during the season, it was just a random series of Deus Ex Machina contrivances that would have made Doctor Who writers blush.
Not being able to fully comprehend the scale of the threat added to the horror of the moment things actually began to crumble away and Loki was seemingly alone to face it. Show was great through and through. Incredibly fun watch
I think the show dragged a bit with 3-5, but the finale absolutely made up for it. By far the best mcu show finale.
I think now on the whole of it, Season 2 felt stronger than Season 1 for me. It did take a while to fully explain where they were going with it, and I was disappointed we didn't see some Kang variants and the power they might have - all we have is a nebulous threat - but it delivered well.
Sylvie's opposition to Loki in this season comes from two places of distrust.
The first is the TVA. They're the source of all Loki's info and they hunted her all her life, why would she start to trust them now?
The second is Loki himself. She's so filled with rage at He Who Remains thatbshe can't entertain the notion that he's telling the truth. Loki can and does, and she feels that is a betrayal.
So yeah, she's in opposition to Loki for most of the season because she thinks everything is more likely to be a machination of the TVA. In a way, she wasn't wrong.
I thought that every episode of this seasom was great but it required TRUST to see if they could finish the series in a good way. And they did because it was the most epic thing ever and made it one of the best series I have seen in a long while.
loved the season from beginning to end and that finale was a 10/10 !!
can't wait to hear your thoughts on The Marvels, my theatre loved it and it was a fun movie imo.
There's something about the third episodes of Marvel shows. It's usually the point where the shows start to meander and lose their identity. I was pretty worried when they went on the Scooby-Doo chase at the World's Fair, but from there on, the show just kept hitting. Similar to season 1 where the show got great once they left Lamentis, the last 3 episodes of this season were near flawless. I stopped seeing the formula and was completely absorbed in the world. It all felt purposeful, like someone urgently wanted to tell this story before there was ever a mandate to film this show.
The best overall Disney+ Marvel show imo. Neither season had a week finale which is incredible rare for them and no overtly bad episode, they were all at least pretty good and many were amazing. Tom Hiddleston shined throughout the whole show and was always entertaining to watch.
I love how the form Loki turns into when he binds the timelines as it not only goes back to the idea of pruning, but it also connects to Norse mythology as he basically becomes Yggdrasil, but it connects every universe and the mischievous squirrel is Loki
The show's shot so well. Aside from the stunning visuals for what time might look like, those slow zooms really evoke the concept of time, infinity, etc. Then when everything breaks, it all becomes hand-held cam.
I'd love to hear more about "separating the characters [Loki & Thor] in a meaningful way" because while I agree this is an excellent place for Loki to end up, the whole TVA still feels like a pale comparison to the Asgardian family conflict established in his film appearances. I enjoy Mobius (don't really know what to do with the Loki and Sylvie enemies-to-romantic-to-frenemies thing) but their affable coworker vibe just doesn't touch moments like Thor confronting Loki after Frigga's death or tossing him that ball to prove he's not really there only for Loki to catch it. The parallels and arc in this finale are really cool and I'll be happy (relieved, even) if Hiddleston hands up the role on this note but I still NEED that post-credits scene at the end of Thor's last movie where he goes to sit at the end of time with his little brother.
The trick is that the ending actually wraps up his full arc from Thor/Avengers! Thor 1 Oden tells Loki he is NOT a god, just a cruel and selfish little boy after he wages war then chooses to flee over admitting his mistakes. In Avengers Loki works as a minion of Thanos, tries to conquer Earth using Thanos' inventions, murders people and says humanity should "KNEEL before claiming free will is overrated...thinks he is clever/at the top of his game but Black Widow sees though his trick, and Hulk shows him to be a 'puny god. By the end of Season 1 Loki is again given the deal to rule - only instead of a planet he can rule all of time! He rejects this and is betrayed by a version of himself too full of hate to evolve. In Season 2 Loki thinks He Who Remains is the solution to their problems, but Loki he learns from OB that the answer isn't science - it's fiction (aka myth!). He then learns to control Time, uses this to learn all there is to know about science (and thus magic) to become a true god. But instead of ruling over people, he carried the weight of every person, every life, every timeline and every story to give his friends the gift of free will. He finally gets to rule over Asgard...and all of time/space but does so alone. ..and chooses the shape of the World Tree to show his love for the people who never knew this version of Loki even existed.
I disagree about the middle being confusing because you don’t know the ending or where it’s going. I think the path forward being completely unknown was part of the fun for the season
The Yggdrasil reference was a nice touch.
Mid season episodes are necessary for the Loki's journey. His opponents betrayed each other and lost. His friends sticked together and yet they fail too. What is the other option? Well, Loki found how to lose in such glorious way.
The title shocked me because I thought the whole season why very good.
Sylvie was opposing everything as she felt that saving the TVA was wrong, thats evident from season 1 where she mentions more than once that her goal is to completely destroy the TVA. Not sure whats confusing about that?
"The thing that they want to get seems important to get, so hopefully they get it, or else something will explode, or it won't"
Truly one of the sentences ever spoken
Season 1 vs 2 for me I noticed we spent more time with the larger cast in S1 while S2 was mostly Loki and part O.B.. Something ScreenCrush pointed out that I enjoyed was a lot of character development that was left out because of the 6 episode run format. So Dox's pruning plan was glossed over, Brad/X5 disappeared, Renslayer was not used fully in end, the focus was narrowed to just Loki and O.B. and there is some things left on the table. Now that said, for those who watched to the end the streamlined story flowed to EP6 but the show may have been healthier with 7 or 8 episodes giving more time to Dox and Renslayer.
There was a last minute rewrite of the last 2 episodes. They never got a chance to finish up those storylines and hey much like real life sometimes you just don't know what happened to someone.
@wwaxwork didn't know and agreed. BTW on the note of not knowing: if you like stories that leave things up for audience interpretation, check out the movie Timer (not "In Time" btw, with Timberlake, people confuse the two)
I think having Tom Hiddleston become Avenger Prime instead of Loki who Remains would have been more of the Avengers anchor that Marvel needs right now.
This is probably the most, and maybe only honest take on Loki Season 2 I've seen. I enjoyed a lot of it, but in general I don't much care for the Dr. Who style of storytelling where nothing really makes sense, there are no clear rules as to how anything works, and even our assumptions about how things work can be shattered in ass-pull endings if it makes people feel good. And it's great that people feel emotional - I felt emotional at the ending, even though I had no idea WTF was happening, why, how, or what consequences it might have.
Why exactly was Loki time slipping? Why is that not possible in the TVA, and if it isn't possible, why was it happening? HWR did it? How exactly? And how did Loki gain control over it, because he wanted to? How does this give him the ability to withstand the temporal radiation or whatever it was that was killing people who go out towards the loom thingy? And how does it give him the ability to just grab time strand thingies - what are those, timelines? Branches of timelines? - and turn them green, and then hold them and stabilize them? What does turning green mean? Does this all happen retroactively since it happens outside of time, or does it change things in the MCU as we know it? How long does he have to sit there? Is this exactly what HWR wanted, or is this a decision Loki made for himself?
I AM SO CONFUSED. I had no idea any of this was possible in this world until it just happened, and it isn't even explained afterwards, we just have to accept that it works because we just saw it work. It's the height of lazy writing, but at least it looks neat and makes people feel good. I guess it's still better than writing that makes sense, but is boring and empty. But is it so much to ask for emotional AND sense?
I'm really surprised how many commentators preferred season 1. I thought it started strong but was disappointing overall. Season 2 I thought was incredible from start to finish and even made season 1 better. I will definitely go back and watch the whole thing again! 😝
These two seasons could of been a awesome movie
I understand what you mean, but that’d be like a 4 hour movie at best. But it definitely could’ve been condensed into a single 10 episode season
oh fuck no, this episodic approach really made it have more impact, a movie would be way too condensed and the story beats wouldn't hit as hard as in this
For the other shows? Yes. For this one? No.
Absolutely not...
Maybe two movies could work, but squeezing *both seasons* into one movie would've been a very dumb idea
I kinda wished I had waited and binged this season.
After the finale, looking at it as a whole it's pretty special, while the week to week didn't always feel as strong as season 1 despite being very well made.
Loved the ending as a fan of the mythology (or at least Marvel's take on it).
This is such a weird take, because the finale WAS an absolute masterpiece, but the whole season was really, REALLY good…like, eps 1-5 are all top tier marvel content on their own merits, it’s just that the finale was the single best hour or so of content marvel has ever (*ever*) produced.
Far from it, you can’t save something that is already this close to perfect! Every single episode of this series season 1 and 2 have consistently been some of the best writing, visuals and storytelling we have gotten from the mcu to date! This finale was just the perfect cherry on top of the perfect cake that is the Loki series.
Unfortunately it was far from even good. It was ok at best... sadly.
@@Lof_Lof- somebody didn’t actually watch it, it is easily one of the best things Marvel has ever produced!
@@Lof_Lof- so so so many people from critics to fans disagree with you.
@@shadowchu419 I am a fan too. That's why I don't like it. Saying it's good for marvel is not saying much at all nowadays. It's very very mediocre and only watchable because of talent and charisma of the lead actors. The writing is low level.
@@Lof_Lof- yeah you definitely didn’t watch it if you thought the writing is mediocre.
Loved Episode 1-6, loved Victor Timely as well!
Sylvie thought the lume exploding would only destroy the TVA. Loki thought he needed the TVA to save the multiverse from He Who Remains variants.
The first of season of Loki was definitely better than the majority of season 2, but the combination of the Groundhog Day bit, the re-contextualization of the face-off of He Who Remains, and the dramatic Time God finale totally redeemed the entire season. Probably one of the best things Marvel has made, from that one episode alone.
I LOVED this finale! It’s absolutely the best of any of the D+ MCu show so far, and it’s even better than some of the movies’ endings. Season 1 of Loki had this issue for me where I was utterly bored in the beginning and only started to care more toward the end, with the finale making it all worthwhile. Season 2 was exactly the same, and I agree that it retroactively made me like a season that I almost quit. I guess the writers are particularly good at that sort of weird trajectory.
I loved the whole season and episode 6 was the BEST. It's nice to get some classic MCU quality again.
16:17 I'd say Agents of SHIELD series finale was probably also its best part. They also poured like 1\3 of the last season's budget into the final episode, wrapping the show and its characters' stories perfectly
I liked AoS but I was always critical of its unevenness, with varying quality from season to season and even from episode to episode. Its final season, however, was indeed consistently great. It definitely ended on top.
@@dogberry99 I disagree. It was getting better and better almost each season, I guess with exceptions of seasons 5 and 6, but they were also very strong.
Loki also heavily varied in quality. Episodes 1, 5 and 6 were great, but episodes 2, 3 and most of ep 4 felt like filler, the story about Miss Minutes and Ringslayer didn't go anywhere, might as well be thrown out and nothing would change in the end.
Silvie got zero blame or punishment for her actions. What was that about? Everyone was like "you had a hard life, so that justifies destroying the universe, you're good, we aren't gonna do anything about you".
Heck, even after she found out her actions lead to destruction of literally everything, she didnt' regret it. She's a villain and yet she isn't treated like one at all.
I really hope Disney learns the right lesson from Loki and GotG3. I don’t think the genpop is sick of superhero movies as much as they are sick of bad movies with no substance and every problem is solved by punching.
One thing that Rockstar pointed out with He Who Remains is, there is a point in the conversation where Loki catches HWR offguard w something he wasnt expecting....and he completely drops the over the top act.
Its subtle but really, really illuminating....and a little unsettling. Highly recommend rewatching for that bc I was in the same boat and rolled my eyes at the overacting....but after that new scene, I get it now.
I hope he likes The Marvels, I thought it was a lot of fun. If some of you are on the fence about seeing it (I know some people just flat-out won't bother) one thing I will say that's totally spoiler-free is that the character of Nick Fury is back to what he used to be (or at least, much closer). Gone is the decrepit, raggedy, barely-holding-it-together Fury of Secret Invasion - he's back to running around, shooting aliens in the face and swearing at children*
*I don't actually remember if he swears at Ms Marvel... but it feels like he does
The only part that really bugged me was during that shot that Loki tells Sylvia “We are gods.”
It was too zoomed out. You couldnt see Sylvia’s reaction to what would’ve been such a mic drop.
There’s no close-up of Tom Hiddleston either so his walk off just felt very shallow. It all could’ve been shot better with more impact.
The genius of Loki Season 2/Episode 1, 5 and 6 is that they were able to trick us all with the 'Loom'/Scifi shenanigans only to come full circle to complete Loki's arc from the First Thor and Avengers Movie! The Loom seemed like a mcguffin but was a checkov gun for his heroic act not being to kill Sylvie or He Who Remains - but to learn how to weave Timelines - aka Stories! Then ending feels amazing because it's a meta nod that all of the MCU is stories - and Loki actually becomes a god by mastering both science and magic....which was exactly the way the MCU first introduced magic in Thor 1 and again in Dr Strange as a spell being a 'program'. Just like the 'Last Days of Loki' arc he evolves from God of Mischief, God of Trickery, God of Lies, to the a 'TRUE' God of Stories at the end of Season 2 Episode 5 thanks to OB reminding him that stories can be more powerful then science! Even better we see the payoff to his speech in Avengers that free will is bad and people should kneel TO him. Yet his final act is to carry the weight of everyone in every timeline so that they can have free will! Loki becomes a true god, and takes his throne - and the sad irony is he does so alone, while showing that Marvel was serious about myths, story and science being one and the same. In one episode Loki did what Love and Thunder promised - to put the entire MCU into context in one perfect scene.
I don't think Sylvie thought the TVA being destroyed meant the timelines being gone too.
I adored Loki S2, it was the first time that a Marvel show since Endgame and Infinity War did something that I thought actually worked for me
"good-looking Ke Huy Quan's in there"
I agree, he looked good. 😊
One thing i would have liked to have seen is a Tom Hiddleston Thor variant.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Loki 2 were the outstanding shows of marvel this year. If this was all we got people would have been still enthused by Marvel.
It was a great show all around, but yeah season 1 was a whole lot better than s2 right up until the finale. I kind of liken it to the IW/Endgame comparison where one is balls to the wall action non-stop and the other slows down for more intimate character moments with a few stutter steps right up until it's exciting bombastic finale, and then leans more into an emotional epilogue as well.
The Season 1 finale was such an intriguing, well-acted, and landmark moment for the MCU that, on top of enjoying Season 2 in general, I had full faith that this finale would be great. And wow did it deliver. :D
My one big issue with this finale is, ironically, that there was no ticking clock element to the story. Loki has limitless tries to figure out a way of solving the problem, which was interesting, but I never really felt tension while watching it unfold. I would compare this ending to an Agents of Shield episode where time is repeating, and they have to figure out a solution to stopping the time loops by playing out events differently every time. Except in that story, they realize that there is a finite number of times that everything will loop until they reach the center of a storm that will kill them all. So in that plot there is tension because, despite the time travel, the script still maintains a ticking clock element. I wonder if they couldn't have implemented something like this by showing Loki become more worn or disheveled from all the times he'd repeated events. Like some part of him was being washed away each time. Just any kind of tangible consequence would have helped me feel more engaged with the stakes at hand.
Anyway, I still really enjoyed it and thought the Yggdrasil imagery was one of the most visually clever things Marvel has ever done. It is an extremely satisfying arc for his character to go from someone who wanted to rule so he could control others to someone who wants to rule so could save others. Beautiful stuff.
To me the fact that he could endlessly go back was the tension. In season 1 he was punished by having to re-live a bad moment in his life, and the fact that in the finale he did it to himself (re-living the failures of the loom exploding over and over and over) weighed heavy. He tried so hard to fix things so that he could have the happy ending with his friends, that finally when he ascends to the time throne, you know it's that he has realized he has no other way to fix things. To me that's even more tragic, and I loved the ending but I still feel so sad for Loki having to make this choice (especially when he made the realization in S2E5 that he's doing all of this to protect his friends and not be alone).
@@elkeyes That's a really good point. I hadn't even thought about the season 1 parallel of reliving the same bad memory over and over. It definitely is tragic when he realizes that he's exhausted all other options, and there really is no other way. I do love the very end, so maybe the whole thing will grow on me with time :)
It's hard to evaluate these series episode by episode. Only when we see the whole story arc of the season we can understand why the pacing is the way it is. I think the MCU's shows are actually built to binge watch but they are released weekly.
I honestly adored the entire season, every episode, but the finale was the best of them all, and possibly the best episode of any Marvel show.
I was thinking that montage would have been a great time to bring in other Marvel fan favorites like Tony Stark as one of the paths, and the lengths to which, Loki took to try and save everything. Like, showing that not even Iron Man could solve this issue (and remember, he solved time travel after a day of thinking about it) would show how serious the threat Loki faced was with respect to the other big MCU apocalypse style events of the past.
Almost stopped watching after episode two but glad I stayed for the finale. It did save it.
"you just have tickets to the baseball game"
Yo 12 ANGRY MEN REFERENCE?!
Regardless it’s nice a Marvel Disney+ show ended that was baseline good
Shoutout to that issue of birds of prey back there! One of the best ongoing comics at the moment
I loved it all!! I do understand however when someone, even as intelligent as Nando here, says the middle episodes weren’t as captivating as I thought they were. I do have to say the this show above all requires follow up with these TH-cam videos in order to understand everything. My son is a huge marvel fan yet has put off this show because after the first couple episodes he felt he was a little lost. He’s now on it and should be done tomorrow I guess, lol. This ending was above all the most amazing finale to a Disney plus show yet. From the opening crawl to the final scene and score I was watching from the edge of my seat. These guys, Benson and Morehead, should be considered for one of the big upcoming movies. Maybe the Kang Dynasty movie instead of who they have????
6:15 you actually got that wrong, because by then, the loom WAS already destroyed and the multiverse was already reset.
Tom Hiddleston brought the same caliber of stoicism to his role that RDJ brought to Iron Man. I was here for it bro 💪
"i wasn't smart enough to understand what they were doing so it wasn't that good" the shiw was great and good throughout as for ither shows they were fun and wandavisions finale wasn't about the fight but the convo between wanda and vision as she moves on
I just watched it, it was an amazing episode
Honestly my favorite marvel thing this year outside across the spiderverse which is sony i know but the moon girl and devil dino show was AMAZING and i never see anyone talking about it as much
I agree with literally everything you said in this video.
11:40, This was one of my favorite aspects of the show, it focusing on its own world-building and character rather than wasting time with big twists and theories. Not that it isn’t fun to speculate what’s coming, but it shouldn’t be at the expense of the present story.
6:02, Sylvie opposes Loki because she doesn’t think the Loom exploding would destroy reality, just allow it to grow unimpeded and that she freed herself and everyone else when she killed He Who Remains. She’s intentionally writing to be stubborn and self-centered, more focused on retiring than anything else, because she is a Loki, as much as she may insist she’s her own person, and part of her arc is realizing her mistake when realities begin dissolving because of the Loom deleting them.
I do agree, however, the exact ins and outs of the ramifications of the Loom exploding aren’t fully made clear until later on in the series, with it only briefly being revealed the Loom itself is what causes all the newly developing multiverse and the TVA to dissolve, not the Multiversal War being restarted, which leads to Loki’s decision to replace the Loom by pulling an Atlas and holding all of time together.
It sounds like my opinion on this show is somewhat similar to Nando's. I was very underwhelmed and rather disappointed by most of season two.
But that finale... It is simply one of my favorite things Marvel has ever done.
Sylvie feels like a character that went through a break up right at the end of Season 1
Wait youre right, its the *first* marvel show where the finale is the best part what
So what happened to Victor Timely is my only question.. no way you take him back to the timeline. So is he part of the TVA
I'm honestly so surprised this season that was so heavily Multiverse-based wasn't a giant cameofest.
I think it has been the best thing we had in a few years
The nando cut uploaded which mean i can finally form my opinion
Absolutely loved this finale. It didn't need to be saved.
S2e6 saved everything for me. I literally was crying as his original costume came back. I've missed his horns and Shakespearean vibes for YEARS. Don't get me wrong, suave Loki is fantastic in Ragnarok and Loki S1&2, but DAYAAAUMMMM I love me some classic god of mischief
Talking about how Loki has been around for 12 years now -- this finale also hit me on a very personal level
This Loki, who had this amazing arc and now a new powerful, meaningful purpose, is the Loki from Thor 1 and Avengers 1. That was the time when "Loki fangirls" were kind of the butt of the joke, like "oh he's just Draco 2.0 to you people". I think his mainstream popularity only REALLY hit with Ragnarok. This is why this finale, as stupid as it sounds, feels very comforting to me. Like "you've grown a lot from the person you were ten years ago but you were always okay the way you were". Idk I don't wanna sound too dramatic but this finale just hit all the emotions for me lol
Are you going to release a "Sylvie isn't Sylvie" video? I've been waiting for one ever since Season 1 dropped, but I assumed you'd wait for the entire show to wrap up to make it.