Arianna's fate is Bloodborne's thematic horror, distilled || Bloodborne Analysis
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I think Ariana's freaky as fuck slug baby is ...kinda cute, it reminds me of a cat.
I wish there was an option to adopt and raise it, so it grows up to be a freaky slug baby man/thing that learns to speak and forms its own identity. Not a man, not a monster, but something else.
@@bonefetcherbrimley7740 bro wtf
Not trying to be confrontational here or say that you're wrong, but I always understood the moral of bloodborne to be more long lines of unbridled ambition and the dangers of science and transcendence when combined with religious level fanaticism, and that the true victims were everyday people who trusted "benevolence" without question.
Bergenworth researched, but with caution. And made sure to show respect (fear) towards the blood. The healing church, however, dove head first into the research of transcendence using the blood to become "Gods." They did not fear the old blood, and because of this lack of respect and their ambition, they brought death Doom and destruction on countless innocent lives.
No I'm not saying that you're wrong or that there are not multiple interpretations to bloodborne's meanings and the morals behind the story, but I'm curious and would like to hear why you choose to focus on this interpretation, specifically about the story being representative of the struggle of women and violence toward women and pregnancy and childbirth.
Again, I am not trying to be confrontational, I just really like bloodborne and I'm interested in all the different interpretations that people have. Art is subjective unless otherwise stated by the artist, and I would like to hear the reasoning for everybody's interpretation. Especially because I love this story so much.
I can’t help but sense some inspiration from the story of the Jersey Devil
We can't click the link 💀
Nothing in a video game has filled me with enough fury to kill an eldritch god than Arianna's story. She was forced to bear a child unwillingly because some space monstrosity posing itself as a god willed it, and the child itself a victim - not knowing it was not wanted, doomed to never know a mother's loving touch.
And you can see it in it's animation... it's watching her... as if it is confused that she is not holding it
@@KellyMorris596 And the fact that this baby survived the birth even though most children of the Great Ones die makes it even sadder
@@KellyMorris596 why do you have to go and point that out? Man, as if this didn't depress me enough. Lol
the souls series has these unbelievable and alien worlds but they still cover very grounded and nuanced topics. amazing games
Players after Arianna's story:
*"THE NIGHT DOES NOT FEAR ME BECAUSE I AM A GOD, IT FEARS ME BECAUSE I AM A MAN!"*
It's sad how she gets no happy ending, either she gives birth the a great one and shatters her sanity or she gets murdered by a jealous insane woman
Or killed off by a beast in disguise as a human if you invite him into the chapel…
Welcome to Fromsoft! Where no one you like gets a happily-ever-after!
Poor thing.
honestly I'd prefer being murdered, at least it's faster and minimal suffering
The second one sounds like mercy.
She is also the nicest person you can save
@@justatrollyaloser Adella is a bit on the edge. She presents nice, but has a lot of darkness undernethe. Arianna is just the nicest at baseline.
But why tho
@@louditalian1962 well for starters
-She is genuinely grateful for providing her shelter
-She never tries to get money out of you
-She will happily give you some of her healing(heavily implied Cainhurst descendant)blood
-She will ask for absolutely nothing in return for said blood
-I believe it is implied that she talks to the Chapel Dweller unlike the other residents
-Should the Suspicious beggar start killing everyone,she will say that this place is not so safe after all,yet instead of running away,she will thank you for providing sanctuary,even if it means death
-When she starts feeling pain,she will outright apologize for not being able to provide blood
She and Eileen are definitely the best NPC's in the game
@@louditalian1962 Adella is nice...to you...and unless you have some of Ariannas blood...also she's absolutely crazy
The Skeptic old man is kind of nice,but his head is so full of his own theories whick he presents as facts,you began to wonder just how has he survived the night this long
The old woman pretty much begins being nice to you after going bat@#%t crazy from the night and the sedatives and beginning to delusionally see you as her own child
Um. The Chapel Resident? Dude deadass says hr just wanted his life to be of use to someone else for once. He's practically giddy if everyone makes it through the night, and completely distraught if one if them does, let alone more.
Oh god, I still remember when Skyen first found her after she gave birth and while the editing is funny, I will never forget the deafening silence when he was deciding on what to do next.
Sadly he had to kill her to get the last umbilical cord
Can I ask what episode?
@@so-meichi he actually pinned the episode at the top of the comment section!
@@cobratine7184 oh must have missed that.. thanks!!
@@zeira7955But that could also be a blessing, a mother broken by a forced birth and a child that will never know the love of a parent. Death is the only blessing that could be bestowed.
Another cool interaction with her is if you send the nun character there, she can also offer you her blood as a healing item but you can only have one or the other at one time. If you drink Ariannas blood 3 (I believe it's 3 but could be wrong) times then she will MURDER HER when you leave the area in jealousy and then attack you when you discover her upon returning. You can spot her spying on you talking with Arianna if you look closely at points.
Given i didnt use either of their blood, I think im fine XD
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 I believe so, as the chapel is an area fights can occur in (Was invaded in there once while looking for coop to help explore the zone and reach the boss, I like playing souls games with other people admittingly), so you can attack people who are in the chapel.
@@realrealwarpet I saw a post once talking about how most Elden Ring NPCs are better off not meeting you at all, given their inevitable demise. It seems this aplies to Bloodborne aswell.
@@victorhugocosta1127 it applies to most soulsborne games. Its very rare it doesn’t end in complete misery. Father gascoines daughter for example. She gets slaughtered. Then his older daughter. I dont know of any happy endings in bloodborne. The best one being where you get decapitated.
Gotta replay it now just to look for this thx 🙏🏻
You can't help but feel just a little bit sorry for the baby when you see it wiggling at its mother's feet, looking at her even if it is a disgusting monster
It might be wondering why she's crying or why she won't hold it
But you absolutely cannot blame Arianna for wanting nothing to do with it either
Not after that kind of horror and trauma
It's neither of their fault
That's kind of the point. It's not the baby's fault but it's not the mothers either
A great video about every single feminine theme in Bloodborne is the video titled "Bloodborne's visceral femininity" or something close to that, i'm sorry for forgetting the actual title but the thumbnail has the girl who turns into a giant wolf beast in it. The narrator is really great and she brings every single point to this surprisingly not too explored theme of Bloodborne, even tho it's such a big thing in the game
Not many people seem to realise just how much disgustingly harder all the women have it compared to most of the men who just kinda go nuts. Women don't just lose their minds and turn into creatures in this game, they get used and abused, dissected, infected, ground into paste, killed off and replaced (woooaah rhymes~). I just recently read a few of the Bloodborne comics too. Even in those there's a story of a woman being turned into a monster as a direct representation of the slowly revealed spiralling passion and corruption of one secretly selfish medicine man.
Vicar Amelia's tha character you're thinking of
Funnily enough, 'Bloodborne's visceral feminity' was made by the exact same person you were mentioning it to, I think.
edit: Nay, I was wrong.
Yes! It was such a great video essay
@@conspiracypanda1200 I haven't finished reading the comics yet (still in the middle of Eileen's arc), but I think the Death of Sleep arc is particularly interesting in terms of gender. The choice to center the narrative around an explicitly agender Hunter and vaguely androgynous child is fascinating, and clearly deliberate since the Hunter we play as in-game is gendered and has NPCs speak to you accordingly.
Arianna and her child can also be seen as a mirror of Kos and the Orphan. Both the orphan and the child go unloved by their mothers, but for different reasons. The orphan loses his mother due to tragedy and you put him down because what else can you do. There’s no way to fix what went wrong. And Arianna’s child loses his mother due to her not wanting it. She rejects it utterly and thus you put it down because what else can you do. You can’t force her to love it and there’s no one to take care of it. It’s a metaphor for the sad reality of what should be a universally good thing. Childbirth.
It definitely does make me reconsider the implications that occur when the Hunter eats the umbilical cords and becomes a baby Great One.
But whereas the tragedies for Kos/Arianna and their children (which were the result of meddling by outside sources), the Hunter appears to be willingly accepted by the Doll.
@@roetheboat1isn't the doll itself just a fabricated imitation of a real woman? A docile and polite version of someone who is strong and stubbornly steadfast. This man made imitation of a woman then takes in the adult who chose to become an unwanted child... Something about it feels off.
@@jmassagetherapist6773 The doll is inanimate unless you have insight. Your character ignores her autonomy and personhood unless they have a certain kind of wisdom. You can use her (level up) without ever listening to her speak if you are unwise. In this sense her status as an imitation is only true without the capacity to understand her.
She has her own feelings even if she ponders if they are artificial. If you return something sentimental to her she sheds a tear, something she could not do before. She clearly has feelings and desires of her own, divorced from what Gherman made her to have.
Even funnier about Gherman is how he came to not care for the doll for just the reason you described. He wanted her to have Maria's personality and basically discarded her when he realized she was, as you said docile and polite as opposed to Maria. She was made to be a perfect replica physically but her own personality was formed in contrast.
It is shown that she is not simply to be of service to you. In fact I've always had the theory she intended for the hunter to become a great one because she desired a child of her own. She is the contrast of all the unwilling but able mothers in the game. She as a doll is incapable of giving birth by conventional means.
I don't think you should mistake the doll's caring and kindness with a lack of strength. Without her assistance the hunter would have failed, and if they never gained the wisdom to realize this they would've never known the depth of that.
It's not universally a good thing, since not everyone wants it or survives it. It's subjective.
@@Ilivedbih I think that’s why they said “should be” a good thing. Because I’m a perfect world it would be. Everyone would have one when they’re ready and nobody would be forced.
Little Red Slug Mans is looking up to Moms for love while shes weeping over the horror she just gave birth too. Thats fucked up.
justice for little red slug mans
Let's get little red slug mans adopted he's probably chill you never know
(And Let's get her some meds and therapy, jesus christ)
birth is truly and viscerally terrifying
No it is not, it’s very painful and can be scary. But don’t hold that view for pregnancy in general, no need to scare women.
@@rattgod mmmmm, nah, I was born with the tools for pregnancy. Forced or unwanted pregnancy, and the process of my body changing against my will and will be changed nearly forever from the process, is very terrifying. But, the folks who want that for themselves, they won't be dissuade by someone being scared of it.
@@rattgod it's taxing and dangerous, stop lying. That’s why only people who will love and nourish their child should go through this hell and back
@@rougestarlight4308 "it's taxing and dangerous," that first yes, but dangerous? Are you kidding me? How many women became ill, crippled, sick or died bc of pregnancy? Tell you what, not even one fourth of the number of women who gave birth. Get over yourself. My mother gave birth to 6 children and she's doing fine. It all comes down to how you take care of yourself and your children, so they can grow up to take care of you. Some of you folks just lack common sense smh.
@@fallasleep9472death from childbirth was the most common way for women to die for nearly all of human history- and there are a ton of woman who are affected by birth, nearly killed or put in extreme trauma because of it. Just because your mother was fine doesn’t mean shit.
The most gut wrenching part is, if you kill the infant Arianna just dies. I wish Bloodborne ever gave a reason why, but I suppose it's thematic.
I feel like a metaphore(or analoge) of how when a woman chooses refutation of marternity, she usually loses (especially in times like that) her right to be treated alive and might as well die.
The child is an anchor. Heavy but necessary for women, regardless whether they ever wanted it or not. If she gets rid of it, she's a monster, if it dies despite being around, she's a failure of a woman, if she doesn't accept it into her life, she is demonized but it's an endless cycle where all choices bring a downfall to the woman's livelihood. As socially, she'll lose any support or pillar to continue economically and lacking emotional support is horrible in its own right.
@@kyaksachan502 That's awful. It shouldn't be that way. Why is it that our society acts as though all women amount to are vessels for the creation of new life? There's so much more to life than children and maternity.
Yeah. I wish the player can just...raise the child somewhere or find a new home for it. At the very least it could help Arianna survive.
@@Attackbow1566take your head out of the rabbit hole for just 1 moment and don't forget bloodborne isn't the real world. Nobody cares except for a few weirdos if u wanna have kids or not, I only see people taking up an issue when those people who choose not to have kids get all high and mighty and feel superior. Besides that, literally nobody cares.
@@Attackbow1566because we are? Only a person with womb can grow a life amongst human species. Now, the real problem is that there is not enough appreciation and respect for that fact. There is no respect for those who decide not to have children. Regardless on which side you choose some people will bash you for it.
Also: so we agree, we agree that bearing a child agaisnt your will is an awful gut wrenching horror that brings nothing but misery to both parties?
Yes, but life is more than misery. For both parties.
@@fallasleep9472 _can_ be*
@@NickAsNickName Thanks for proving my point.
@@tatltael2266 "kill the child, end of discussion". Keep fooling yourself.
@fallasleep9472 abortion rights ✊
Love finding like-minded people!
I just realized, in the "true" ending of the game, or "squid" ending if you prefer, you become an infant great one and are taken in by the doll. In other words you become one of the only characters in the game raised by a mother/parental figure who loves you unconditionally and (hopefully) won't die tragically partway through the process. And to achieve this ending, you 100% HAVE TO murder arianna's baby and by extension, her. In bloodborne even the few happy child/parent relationships have to be predicated by tragic ones
You don't have to murder her baby, there are four umbilical cords and you only need to use three.
You absolutely do NOT have to kill her and her child. There are 4 umbilical cords in the game and you only need 3 to achieve the ending
@@an_fiach really? I never knew that. I can only remember 3 of them; one from yosefka's clinic, one from arianna, and one from mergo's wet nurse. either way, even if the 4th one is basically free, my point still stands. The other 3 still involve at least some degree of cruelty towards infants and their respective mothers/caretakers, even if they are necessary cruelties.
@@megakaioken9386 The 4th is from the Abandoned Old Workshop, the source of the Hunter's Dream. It requires no cruelty, it is simply lying on an altar and you pick it up. As for fake Iosefka, she isn't pregnant, she is using the cord to ascend and is a terrible person on top of that, so there are little moral qualms there. And for Mergo and the Wet Nurse, you're not hurting him, you're freeing him from captivity. Mensis stole his cord to beckon his spirit to try and attract the attention of Kos, and by defeating the Wet Nurse he is freed. That's why Queen Yharnam, his actual mother, bows to you when you turn around and exit the arena. She's thankful to you for what you have done. Arianna's is the only one that requires you to do something truly awful, and it can be entirely avoided.
@@RuthenTheDarkMagusthose may be morally viewable as better or right or good, but there is still an inherent violence to them. Do you really think the umbilical cord in the workshop was just dropped off to a hunter?
While it may not be intentional, that's another example of the way violence to women can benefit others, even unseen or unknown violence.
I wish the Hunter could take the infant and Arianna in. Not because of any love for the infant, but so Arianna can have the space to recover and choose for herself what to do with it. Sure, we can infer she doesn't want it. She calls this a nightmare. But at the end of the day we take the matter in our own hands and it kills her too. A selfish action in my mind because it gives us a Third of Cord and does not. Help. Her. Arianna did not beg to be killed. Did not beg for the infant to be killed. She just cried and laughed hysterically because she just gave birth to a slug. If given care and space, with someone else tending to the creature, I think she would have recovered.
Thats the sad reality of your charactor in bloodborne. Its such painful and human issue but your charactor only knows to solve issues with violence, as thats the only way to end the misery for everyone.
@@sticks4632 Agreed. It's a bit of a limitation for many videogames that the only way to interact with the world is through violence.
And I get it. Conflict is vital both in a story sense and gameplay sense. And fighting is a good way to get this conflict, in a way that is entertaining.
But it can sometimes lead to odd moments like these, where some nuance might better but nope. All you have is a hammer, so go hammer those screws in.
I think you can avoid killing her since there are 4 umbilical cords in the game and you only need 3 (however your character just kind of ditches her to become slug god)
@@royaltyfree9607 isn't the point that every reality is a form of dream and it's only as real as the experiences, the tradigies and tribulations, you have?
We need not kill her. We can still get 3 chords. 1 from the Abandoned workshop, one from the imposter Iosefka, and one from Mergo's Wet Nurse.
These videos about Bloodborne have really made me realize that one of the biggest themes in the game is women's bodies being abused for selfish purposes. It's a recurring thing I somehow never noticed while playing the game years ago, I didn't really pay attention to the lore much, and just thought this kinda of stuff was placed in for shock and terror and the bloody gothic atmosphere. It has a lot of powerful messages games like this usually don't ever touch.
yet dont we do very similar things to animals with forced breeding ?
@@thelvadam2884 animals, and humans alike. Theres a lot of evil shit that happens here on earth. Weak people with power will show it through those they deem lower and those without power to protect themselves. And the saddest thing is when humanity turns a blind eye, or their backs to the victims. Worse, if they actively shut them up with lies even they convince themselves of.
It's a refreshing counterpoint to basically every other facet of life and piece of media showing men's bodies being squishy industrial/farm/military equipment.
@@thelvadam2884 you can’t necessarily force animals to breed, which is why you should get them neutered and spayed. They WILL breed wether you want it to or not.
@@thelvadam2884 not quite on the same note but similarly VIVINOS made an animation about animal testing if you’re interested (tw: body horror, gore, death, religion) i figured it would be alright to recommend to a bloodborne fan since the game has similar tws
I love how humanized she is, she is a ray of kindness amidst the darkness, ironically i think she fits more the role of Solair in this game than the other crazy bastard.
I feel bad for her and the lil Babb
He didn't choose to be born. He still deserves a lil hug too.
@@oranjellofish yeah! hug da babby!
I don't even play this game and I want to adopt him
@@briannadragonrider I shall call him
Yigsiresl
Just wrap um around you like a belt
I hope you genuinely feel that way because if that kind of pity and kindness is something you show in real life, then you're a hero
this. Pregnancy is a horrific thing as much as it may be a beautiful one. It terrifies me. Your own body turning against you, a separate being using your blood.
When you eat too much sugar, your body turns against you. When you have flu, your body turns against you. Also, it's another human being you're giving birth to, not Cathulu so... maybe try not to blow it out of proportion?
Thank you for continuing this series
Thank you for the tip!
@@TBSkyenShorts one piece
@@TBSkyenShorts thank *you* for producing all of this amazing content
Not to mention if you kill the infant to collect part of the umbilical chord, she will react in pain and seemingly ether pass out or die. Ether She and the baby are tied or I just had really bad aim.
I remember this moment so clearly. I headcanoned that my Good Huntress grew to like Arianna for her boldness and straightforward attitude and became friendly with her.
All the other horrors and incomprehensible monstrosities that she battled throughout that long night had begun to rob her of her sanity.
But the discovery of what had happened to Arianna and the sight of her "child" finally snapped her mind, and set her on a path to ensure that humans NEVER tampered with the Great Ones or vice versa, no matter how much of her own humanity she had to give up to prevent that from happening.
Thus cementing the dedication to the Childhood's Beginning ending.
As a survivor of assault who's also terrified of pregnancy and childbirth it feels like this game was made for me. I have to play it now
I will warn ya, game is a little difficult as all Souls like games are but it is a remarkable game. The story and the details behind it all is amazing. If you have a PS4, or PS5 I do recommend getting the game.
Best option is to find or make some friends who've beaten the game and can help you out when/if you get stuck. But it is an older game so there's plenty of walkthroughs and guides to cheese the game by yourself as well.
Also these themes aren't super obvious, like two roommates of the same gender not dating anyone for a while, hence the video explanation.
Agreed same situation here
my name is arianna so i have definitely have to play it
I suffer from severe tokophobia, so this just makes me want to avoid the game even more.
The original line is "We are made human by the blood, we surpass our humanity by the blood, we lose our humanity again by the blood. We urge you to fear the blood as you proceed."
I wish you could take the Infant Great One and bring it to the Vileblood Queen, who actually wanted to birth a great one. At least the poor baby has a loving mother then.
Useless fact of the day: both Arianna and Iosefka can be pregnant with a Great One if you don't send Arianna to the clinic, while Iosefka sees it as a blessing and "rather rapturous", in her own words, while Arianna is panicked and distraught because of what happened.
It's not losefka, it's a imposter that turned the real losefka and the other patients into the blue bois
@@beanzuwu And since said imposter is an member of the healing church, it makes sense they would see it as a blessing
We don't actually know if fake Iosefka is pregnant, and it doesn't match up with how she describes the feeling compared to Arianna. It's much more likely that she is trying to ascend like Rom and we do at the end, with her brain becoming lined with eyes, hence the writhing inside her head. The cord we obtain from her, notably, only mentions itself as the cord "Provost Willem sought," not her being pregnant with a child or the Great One that impregnated her like the others do. Considering that there is a secret entrance to Byrgenwerth right inside Iosefka's clinic and there is already a Choir scholar at Byrgenwerth when we get there, it stands to reason that she obtained the cord from there. There is then only one Great One which Byrgenwerth made direct contact with as an infant, as far as we know, which was the Orphan. Therefore Iosefka's cord is Rom's cord is Willem's cord is the Orphan's cord.
@@RuthenTheDarkMagusisn't is hinted that the Orphans cord is the one in the Hunters Workshop? It doesn't have any other place of origin as far as I could tell
@@abithefallenhuman921 No, the cord in the Abandoned Workshop is, implied in the current game and outright stated in the v1.0 description, taken from a child of the Vilebloods that the Healing Church stole in the aftermath of the Cainhurst massacre.
Hunter: This burning rage to those gods, using people for their own needs! I'll slaughter them ALL!
Kratos: First time?
its actually entirelly possible that the 'gods' are just as exploited by these churches and organization as the other victims.
they want lineage. their immortality and eldritch nature robbed them of their power to reproduce, to have family, to have children and granchildren.
and these mortals then offer them up the hopse of lineage, in exchange for some of their power and knowledge. they give freely, not truly comprehending what they are doing to people as a result, out of this desperate need. and yet they are given nothing but one atrocity after another, malformed, twisted, insane.
At least until you collect all three umbilical chords and your character BECOMES the first successful newborn in countless years.
There are consequences to killing a God. Which, when all is said and done, only means you can't kill just one.
@@TrueDiox I’d rather burn it all down than share the same air with these monsters
@@def3ndr887 Well they don’t need air so I’m sure they wouldn’t mind.
@@kingexplosionmurder3764 they won’t need anything if they’re dead for that matter
What can you expect of a city that produces more blood than alcohol
Out of all the berserk references through out this game this one shocked me. I just stood there listening to her crying and the baby just watching her and I didn't know what to do. So I pulled out my hammer and ended their suffering.......God this game is beautiful.
I'm glad someone got the casca reference
No wonder I thought this scene felt familiar when I played through it, poor Casca…
😮 I literally just caught it after reading your comment.
Fun fact if you shoot the fetus Ariana doesn’t actually die though she does still shriek and become none responsive.
But her model continues to breathe and won’t disappear.
Oh so instead of being released from the horror of what has happened to her and maybe finding peace in oblivion, she is either paralyzed or is put into a vegetative state, slowly starving to death so that she suffers some more before she gets to die and hopefully cease existing to be spared the agony of life. Assuming that whatever Great One chose to “bless” her doesn’t decide to keep her alive or put her mind in some sort of “heaven” as thanks for giving birth to its child, even if it dies soon after.
To summarize, the best outcome of this situation is that in this world, one where we get to visit an afterlife specifically made for the hunters, there is no afterlife for regular people and that the Great One that “kindly” “blessed” her so that she could experience the “joy” of bringing a god into existence doesn’t decide to do something to thank her, like making her unable to die, or putting her mind into a paradise where she is constantly exulted for giving birth to a God, even if it died.
Anyone have any other things I forgot?
(Oh and I’m not tearing you a new one ghostwriter, just putting the whole thing in words because this is a extra level of messed up even for cosmic horror)
@@bananananananabatman8999 I can’t really read anything you said. Dyslexia and ADHD make reading massive paragraphs like that virtually impossible.
@@ghostwriter5685 Bwahah if you could read that vomit, then you'd know how poignant this whole thread was.
@@k_tess that bad of a take lol?
@@ghostwriter5685 No. It was actually a quite deep thought.
It's just how Nihilistic this game is and can be. And he put alot of work into that. It was also quite a nihilistic take. But ultimately it was pointless.
Meta-Nihilism. Thinking and talking about a pointless topic is ultimately pointless. This is a beautiful irony in one comment chain.
Arianna's fate is why the Childhood's Beginning ending never felt like a "good" ending to me by any stretch. Yes, you've achieved what the Healing Church could not and transcended humanity, but at what cost? You've just killed an innocent woman who's already been horribly violated because she has something *else* you want. Same goes for if you get the third umbilical cord from Fake!Iosefka--she might have been a nasty piece of work, but she didn't deserve *that.* And after everything we've learned about the Church throughout the game, are we really sure that fulfilling their wishes is something we should want to do? Honestly, my hot take is that there aren't really any "good" endings in this game--they just exist on a sliding scale of unkindness.
There is way for Arianna to be spared the child and still get the third umbilical if you don’t kill iosefkas imposter when you find her and then go kill Rom she will get pregnant with the child instead which killing her is still awful but she also did terrible things to others and in her case she wanted the child. This is not an argument that killing her is the better thing morally to do it’s just another option in the game. Either choice is horrible.
Well the idea is that their death is both sacrifices and mercies. They cannot ever recover from what happened to them so death is the only way to end their suffering. And it serves the purpose of becoming a great one not for the healing church but in spite of it, now you have to power to fix the world they destoryed. At least, thats hope. But in a game with very little of it, Ill take whatever Ill get.
however you do acheive something that might put the eldritch gods at peace still.
all of this is from a desperate desire for lineage. ever singular thing you see is some twisted attempt to create more 'gerat ones' and grant some promise of lineage. a desperation that has only grown over countless eons. and its likely the only reason the great ones are even doing this stuff themselves is because of the churches and other organizations who are promsiing that lineage.
you achieve what the great ones always wanted, by creating a new, proper, pure newborn, and likely setting the eldritch gods at peace.
Fake iosefka really does deserve to die though because if you send people to her she turns them into weird ass aliens
Fake Iosefka conducts experiments on innocent people against their will and turns them into weird blue things and she tries to do same to you or outright kill you. What do you mean she doesn't deserve it? She isn't innocent by any means.
Though I agree that Arianna's story is tragic and she doesn't deserve this.
This game throughly describe to me the horrors of forced pregnancy.
I never knew how messed up Bloodborne’s story was. I knew it was obviously a dark and moody world, you can learn that by watching clips and gameplay. The subject matter is something else though.
I wonder if the reason the game is made so difficult is also because of the subject matter. The topic of blood and birth and how deep the game takes these subjects is very heavy and can be unsettling for people to talk about. Going through the topic/game, giving the player a hard time, its like the game developers wanted the players to experience the difficulties of the subject matter too.
It’s very much so taking the Lovecraftian horror aesthetic and lore to heart. It fills it with the themes and storytelling you’d find in an H.P Lovecraft book, which is what makes this my all time favorite souls-borne as well as the great gameplay but I think it’s the Cosmic horror concept that makes me love it even more as a fan of H.P Lovecraft novels.
He’s just sittin there
Even tho the baby is an eldritch horror ngl it looks kinda cute-
I really love your breakdowns of this game, it's so nice to hear about something taking topics like this seriously.
It’s also worth bringing up how much Bloodborne plays with pop theory and iconography surrounding Jack the Ripper- specifically with hunters of the Church. Down to Alfred’s whole speech after killing Annalise sounding like it could be from one of the supposed letters from the ripper, and the described “preventative” church hunters being surgeon butchers
Every child in an unwanted pregnancy can become a victim just as it’s mother. I am the unwanted child of an unwanted child who had an unwanted child. My dad was a victim of his grandparents and parents, I was a victim of him and my grandparents, but both he and I will learn and my daughter won’t be a victim of us.
the way I wasnt looking at the screen and tought he meant Ari Grande 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Me, named Arianna minding my own business scrolling through shorts:
Poor girl, and the poor child. The child will only sense it is not wanted, not knowing what it has done wrong. And the poor mother was forced to have the child, and dealing with its pain and trauma it gave her
Bloodborne is pro choice, who wouldve thought
It is a very feminine story
Lots of themes of motherhood, childbirth, and the victimization of women by those who take advantage of their power over them
Unfortunately, this is somewhat of a reality for thousands of women in the real world. Not a god's child, but some random man who wanted his nine minutes of pleasure. Nine minutes of pleasure for the man, nine months of torture for the woman.
If she even makes it out alive, that is.
traumatic and irreversible changes to the body as a result of something the woman never even consented to... and yet people think it's just or righteous to force her to go through it. it's disgusting and i would quite literally end myself if i were in that situation and couldn't access an abortion
@@shrimpy4689 It would be unjust to make her raise the child, not give birth to it. The hell did the child do to deserve hate and disgust?
Fetus =\= child
Also imagine having to give birth to a living proof of your trauma, just going thru all the pain again
@@fallasleep9472 the hell did the woman do to 'deserve' it? under no other circumstances is anyone entitled to the use of someone else's body
@@shrimpy4689 nice strawman 👍
I also think it's a messed up turn to the "God's Son" and how messed up actually is that a God used a girl to birth his child without her consent.
What specifically are you referring too?
@@Estarile Irl Jesus birth would have been a body horror story
@@rommdan2716 theologically speaking, it is very important for Mary to make a completely free choice. That's like super important.
And even if we ignore the theological aspects and just look at the text of the passage in Luke, Mary does have an active choice.
She doesn't seem like someone who's scared or being coerced. She immediately starts questioning the angel for goodness sakes.
@@Estarile I said IRL, that means In Real Life
@@rommdan2716 Pretend for a minute that you believe Christianity is correct.
Either the account of Mary agreeing to have Jesus is accurate and the points I made early hold.
Or
The account is not accurate, cannot be relied upon. In which case we cannot draw a conclusion because we have no idea what happened
Damn, that opening caught me off guard 💀
That’s…well….there’s no words
Oh god, im so glad Capital G gamers dont have any media literacy or else this game would get labeled woke if they learned Bloodborne was actually about the horrors of pregnancy and violence towards women
Dude everyone who's a fan of these games know this. its such an obvious theme its litterly in the name: Blood*born*e
@@sticks4632 that is not true at all. there are lots of bloodborne video essays but most of them do not go into detail on this theme. sure they’ll mention the obvious parts but most don’t actually break it down or put emphasis on its importance. i don’t think until recently that it’s been really focused on and looked at deeper. if you don’t believe me look up the bloodborne essay video viscerally feminine. it really dissects this theme better than any other video i’ve seen, and its relatively new. in the comments you’ll see lots of people mentioning how they were never aware of this theme too
@@dead_pool2128 litterly the biggest bloodborne essay is titled "viceral femininity"
@@dead_pool2128 We must travel in different circles because I've seen it reiterated over and over again across multiple essays, stretching back to when the Old Hunters came out, that one of Bloodborne's central themes is how "People of science misunderstand and then cannot forcibly emulate the emotional bonds that form between a parent and their child, thus leading to their ruin." Motherhood and children are used as a means to an end in Bloodborne, and I honestly can't recall anyone ever shying away from that fact.
@@RuthenTheDarkMagus given how I've mostly seen people liking Gwyndolin but I've unfortunately seen a couple haters that were disgusted with them, I could see how FromSoftware likely has two very different fandom pools that don't mingle much (one pool that is aware of everything and likes it, and the other pool that would basically combust once they realized what Bloodborne is about.)
This game perfectly encapsulates how I feel about children. My mother has similar feelings to me but assures me that when you do have a kid you come to love them, but the idea of something growing inside of me, and that potentially being against my will? Makes me wanna throwup
I alwys felt for this lady. Something about how she acts towards you feels as if she is hiding something terrible behind her smile.
What is it with gods and impregnating women? It's not just Lovecraft or Greek myth but Christianity is basically that.
Because in many religions a woman is reduced to a walking womb and the only important part of her life is devoting it to another creature
Y’know, misogyny
@@OliverStarfall Sounds familiar with how my state is going
I'd like for Djura to be covered, probably my favorite character in the base game
I dont think that skyen met djura at all in the series unfortunately
absolutely wild scrolling through yt shorts when my name is Ariana, i was caught off guard.
That’s one hell of a shocking start huh?
girl my name is arianna too i had a fucking heart attack 😭
As someone who was raped this game I use to heal but also terrifies me. I’m lucky enough my rapist when I was 13 couldn’t get me pregnant. The horror of being forced to have something forced onto you and stuck inside you is an edritchbhorror in its own way
I am so sorry to hear that that happened to you. I hope you are doing well, and I hope you have either recovered or are well on your way on the path to recovery.
These themes ring so true as someone who was pregnant through failed birth control as a teen, a teen addicted to heroin and more, to be the pregnancy felt like a parasite just like this
I was so sick I threw up every twenty minutes, I couldn't eat for weeks, at all, I could barely keep water down
I lost two stone
I know now I should have sought medical help but at the time I was a child myself, I didn't know
All I knew was it felt like there was some evil parasite inside me sapping my health, threatening to ruin my life
Pro choice IS pro women, and pro life
Not much different from real life. Women are treated the same by the society.
What a way to open a short. 💀
I can feel berserk all over this
sex worker sounds like a bad occupation in a world where your neighbor could casually end up as some type of unrecognizable monster
Maxor: "Consume the Child"
This is why we need abortion rights.
Arianna was the kindest of the bunch of rescuable villagers. Good SWer representation.
one of the sub context is the place she seeks safety is oedon chapel. the name can refer to the rune of formless oedon.
It can come to speculation whether if the crippled man is under the influence and willing to save ppl, while oedon finds a suitable candidate.
Interesting fact: archaeologists can identify where brothels used to be if the site had a mass grave of dead babies
ooh one of my favorite videos about bloodborne is called "visceral femininity" it's cool!
A typical bloodborn story like the hunter who build a puppet to replace his missing apprentice Maria and asked the gods to make her alive. And the old gods did, but in return put him and the living doll into a nightmare and make the living doll who looks like his crush "serving" hunters that arrive in the nightmare. This game is full of nightmare storys because... well it is a nightmare.
"Whilst your story is moving and my stony visage cracks slightly at your telling....
Imma need that cord now"
*draws Canewhip*
Im so glad I didn't finish this game. Pregnancy and birth is true horror to me
In my opinion, the worst thing about Arianna's fate is that you cant even be mad at the tiny abomination next to her.
If you could simply be angry at it and kill it, youd probably feel better. But, you cant. Its just a child, so clear in it's pose that its just as confused and scared as arianna is. Instead youre forced to hold that hate until you can take it out on the eldritch gods who cursed her
The fact Oedon is the only Great one we can't kill while being one of the major ones to ruin lives is infuriating.
So much for being "sympathetic in spirit" but I guess that the yearning for a surrogate was stronger than Formless Oedon's sympathy. That or the baby gave her 99 insight and that broke her (that's also a possibility)
What an opening 😂
The most pro choice game ive ever seen.
It’s kind of sad that so many that like BloodBorne are also anti-choice 😔
And Hoonter be like: "Well, bon appetit, I guess."
Honestly, her story is one of the very few in gaiming that made me absolutely furious, probably due to the combo of the great ones generally being dickheads and the fact that I have a sister, and everytime I see a story like this, I subconsciously go "how would I feel if that was my sister?". I'm really curious, did anyone with similar circumstances feel the same?
For the first few seconds, I thought you were talking about Ariana Grande and just went, “oh god what did she do this time.”
Serious Berserk vibes from this one - even moreso than normal - which is saying something for Fromsoft.
Damn they didn’t even try to hide the berserk connection this time
i saw this after a "yes, and?" video and i was like "ari's a what?"
LMFAO SAME
You know i was having a good night tonight.
Not anymore
conservatives still would have made her give birth lmao
@@elongatedmanforever1252 you should be.
And all of the messed up things we encounter no matter how "outlandish" or "Immoral" and "Degenerate" loops back to the beginning where it all started, with humans disregarding the possible consequences of what they could do
*nicki minaj voice* : arianna run
Strong start to a short 💀
I’ve not played blood borne yet but something about these themes feels like a harrowing tale for our current political climate and I’m here for it. It portrays these themes in ways that perhaps a more male audience might understand. Such as unwanted children as a result of an unconsensual or consensual act. Or perhaps Not even knowing nor not being ready to become a mother. The horror that such a thought might strike a woman with is a very real one. And the expectation to love a child unconditionally isn’t true for everyone. To see a woman robbed unknowingly of what should be her choice, and violated in so many ways and used as a vessel for another being unknowingly, it’s terrifying.
Yes women should love their children, but they should also be able to choose when they are ready to love a child. Not everyone is ready for that type of commitment, and many still have partners who have desires that they feel obligated to sate.
It shouldn’t be forced upon anyone regardless of their actions or perceived status.
I really appreciate the perspective this game gets us to understand on a visceral level
It makes the mental effects appear physical. I think that makes it easy for men to understand because a lot aren’t taught how to process emotions and be empathetic. We need more games, movies, and shows that discuss politics in a way that’s not shoved in your face
Well said
Honeybat did a great video about the femininity of Bloodbourne! I highly recommend!
"Man when will we ever get a proper Berserk game?"
"bruh."
Made me appreciate bloodborne even more
it's also a inversion of the Christian mythos of the birth of Christ, a blessed pregnancy on a virgin by a caring god to a cursed pregnancy on a prostitute by an uncaring elder god.
They're the same picture
That baby is chilling ngl
What an opening to a lore video
I love the contrast of this horrible and depressing story about forced pregnancy and the inevitability of death and it just ends with "Hey guys make sure to like and subscribe"
Oedon went for cigarettes and went formless. Brutal :/
But why does she die when you kill it? 🤔
As someone with tokophobia,,, this is terrifying
I still remember watching Skyen's realization when he came to this moment, and I felt a heady mix of emotions
Hmm I wonder what this is an allegory for
Hey can you make a video explaining how time passes in the real world and the nightmares? How they're connected? How they're connected to the night of the hunt?
I don't get how we come to yharnam and get killed to go into the hunters dream and then come back into the nightmare version of yharnam. Or is it something else?
TB Skyen's series is less about the logistics of the world and more about its thematic implications, perhaps you should seek out Last protagonist if you want to know more about the former.
The cut scene where ya are given the blood transfusion is ya being taken to the nightmare. Its your conciousness not your body thats in the nightmare like it real life. Your body is still hooked up to an iv filled with old blood. Like most nightmares and dreams ya don't know if it's real or not only vague details of what to do next ie find the old blood. So ya adventure forth and die or find a lantern. Entering the dream. The keeper of it explains your next step to hunt. So ya hunt to find the blood that will save your life. The church has it ya discover. It did but it lost it to the scholars then. Ya find the spider. She hasn't have it but maybe the queen does. She wants her child. Ya find her child and rescue her. Ya think ya find the blood but you're trapped still. End the nightmare they tell ya. So ya kill the crazed man. The nightmare ends. Ya return to the dream. Given 2 choices: fight or die. Ya die and awaken in the real world hopefully cured. Ya fight and the true dreamer makes ya the new keeper or if ya find the cords and consume them ya become the new dreamer and it starts again(youre in a coma basically for two endings of fighting). The night of the hunt is a night thst actually happened who knows how long ago but everyone in the nightmare is forced to relive it over and over again thus making it a nightmare. Just like in the old hunters nightmare as all the old dead hunters are forced to relive the worst time of their lives repeatedly until the curse dies with the orphan.
Think of the old hunters nightmare and the hunters dream as a dream within a dream. This can happen in actual dreams if you're aware enough your dream might switch to a nightmare or a different dream after awhile. Or watch inception since it explains it better but in a heist movie format.
Knowing FromSoftware's SoulsBorne games are inspired by "Berserk", I can instantly tell that this Arianna's and her child's fate is directly taken from Casca giving birth to the demon child.
For those unfamiliar with Beserk, the demon child (and later fan dubbed "the moon child") and it's fate is a central part of Beserk most important story moments.
That is a HELL of a opening line to a youtube short 💀💀💀