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"Lady Maria, stealing the hearts of hunters everywhere"
both literally and figuratevly
She's a much better Phantom Thief than any of the Phantom Thieves because her actions have an immediate effect.
Nevermind "changing hearts" when you can simply rip a person's heart out and show him his beating heart as he returns to the Hunter's Dream or (perhaps) goes straight to hell where he belongs.
@@KamenRider1 That's a nice "joke" against "Joker" you brought up there.
And huntresses everywhere
@@loyal_makoto9031 hell yeah 😂
*Vaati never makes Prepare to cry*
Mitch L: "Fine, I'll do it myself."
He doesn't have who to plagiarise.
@Elysberto Fernandes he used lore made by others as his own and didn't give credit
@@theonewhoismany8072 I mean was it word for word ?
@@theonewhoismany8072 you do realise that he usually credits the people and if not mentions it in the comments or description, or the person does not want to be named, or he doesn’t know who made it, or everyone who watches souls borne should know
Vaati actually said quite some time ago that the reason why he never made the Prepare to Cry on her is Mitch L‘s video.. he said that Mitch‘s video is so good that he himself would have nothing else to add and it would just be a rip-off if he‘d do it
I just realized this but, when Gehrman is killed he says: "The night, and dream, were long..." while raising his right arm to the sky, falling to his knee, and then falling down with his arm still raised. Maria dies the same way.
Well, Lady Maria is Gehrman's student after all
@@vihuynhquang5204 "hello class today we are going to learn how to do a dramatic death fall"
@@Bananaman559
The stupidity and ignorance were...
intolerable...
*Dies*
Bananaman559 lmao
If so maybe it's connected to the only gesture that allows you to "communicate with great ones"
This is the best. I was so disappointed that Vaati never did a Prepare to Cry for Maria, and just in the general lack of TH-cam content on her. She's my favorite character in all of Soulsborne, and yeah. She's a cutie.
Thanks!
IKR, She's even in the cover of the DLC so you would expect people direct some attention to her, at least I did...
Ludwig story is also important but most things about him are pretty clear and established.
Paging Doctor Shoggoth Same here. its insane that overlooked a prepare to cry for such an important character.
I'm still waiting for Vaati to do that video. He said he was doing a Prepare to Cry for her like forever ago in a video. It'll probably never be released, but I'll be waiting.
Vaati should call most of his videos Prepare to Plagiarize. The truth will come out one day. Made a YT career off stealing other people's theories from every source imaginable, and hiding it in his fake, ultra sincere British voice of oh so innocent and kind. It's all complete bullshit.
It's ok, there's a lot of us out there who know the truth. Challenge him on this claim whatsoever, and not will he only refuse to address it, he will delete your comment and make your posts invisible to others.
Lady Maria’s whole story in general is very sad in itself. She was one of the first hunters, learning under Gehrman himself. Despite being of Cainhurst lineage, she shunned her blood magic powers and trained and became one of the greatest hunters to have ever lived by honing her technique with her Rakuyo. Then one fateful day, her and Gerhman went to the Fishing Hamlet, discovered Kos, and eventually massacred the whole village to uncover its secrets to return to Brygenwerth; including the unborn child of Kos. This led to Willem learning about the existence of the Great Ones, thus starting all the events of the game. Maria felt so disgusted in her role in all of this that she threw her beloved sword into the lake, wishing to be free of the cycle of violence and her role in all of this. She tried to do good, and help and comfort the patients experimented on by the Church, becoming the only comfort in their wretched existence. But despite how hard she tried, she couldn’t help them. And eventually, she couldn’t outrun her guilt and the suffering around her, and she took her own life. Then she became trapped in the Hunter’s Nightmare, forced to wear her Hunter Garb and wield her sword for all eternity, standing watch over the Fishing Hamlet next to the Research Hall filled with patients she couldn’t help, both her greatest sources of shame. When she finds you, she doesn’t even hate you, the only reason she fights you is because she’s so ashamed of what happened at the Fishing Hamlet and so frightened of what’s in there, that she tries to make you give up looking. She knows you’ll just return to the dream and then come back if she kills you, so she tries desperately to stop you, even delving into the blood magic she rejected for all her life just to stop you. It’s a really sad story and killing her here could easily be interpreted as you freeing her from the eternal torment of the Nightmare, having to stand watch over your greatest source of shame forever.
14:12 I wouldn't say lady Maria using her blood was her giving in to her nature, but more out of desperation in an attempt to keep you, the player from realizing the secret.
I feel bad for Gehrman and Maria. The more we know about their stories, the more we see that they were actually trying to protect us, and that in a sense makes them beautiful. Doesn't make me feel like less of a badass when I beat the shit out of them though/
Have you heard the tale of Lady Maria the Wise? I thought not, its not a tale the Hunters would tell you...
Ryan Tay I was going through the comments waiting for this.
Ironic
Have you heard of the take of Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower? I thought not. It is not a tale that VaatiVidya would tell you.
It's a Cainhurst legend.
My moms name was Maria, and she died 5 years ago to cancer. It was the exact same kind of life as Lady Marias. She tried so hard to protect me from the dangers of the world, even when I was not emotionally there for her. She held out for so long in this life hoping that I would be ready to face the world on my own, and I imagine her death was just as liberating. Lady Maria is the hardest boss period for me. I can't help but remember my mom whenever I face her. Most emotional moment in my life ever. RIP Ave Maria. I love you mom.
Ay that's sweet. Rest in peace to your mom, she sounds like such a nice person.
That was so touching and sweet, reminded me of my own beloved angelic late mother whose name is Mona (kind of similar to Maria, right)… my late mother treated me and behaved with me same as your own mother - that’s pure and true love not to be found in our lives or in this world again… may our mothers both Rest In Peace and may their souls be in heaven, amen 🙏🏽
Lady Maria be dealing emotional damage damn
Holy crap your mom was the best if that was her name
maria is one of the most common names in the world
Lady Maria is my favorite character. Her outfit is the best too.
So so
SIMP
@@serlorastheknightofflowers9953 nah, facts
Gehrman, the First Hunter is the best for me!
There should be a Bloodbourne TV series based on the lore from the game.
I prefer a Maria centric movie. From the beginning of her career, dealing with prejudice of her ancestry, proving herself, going to the village, arguing with Gehrmin about what they must do to the villagers, see in horror as Gehrmin starts dissecting the villagers and finally fighting Kos and taking her child. Then the story show her downward spiral as she trying and keep failing in healing infected people and the movie ended with her killing herself. Yay tragedy!
GigawingsVideo thatd be one of two things. Terrible, or absolutely phenomenal
that "u" bothered me much _moure_ than it should have
I would watch the shit outta this.
th-cam.com/video/ucGx2fPo85M/w-d-xo.html
*Gehrman.
Maria: I'm sorry we were just trying to understand the nature of our own existence!
Kos: cool motive, still murder
Oh man was I surprised when I saw my own painting in my recommended videos, I feel kind of embarassed that it's out for everyone to see like that, but thanks for picking it! Naturally I was curious and watched your content and I have to say it's the best Lady Maria video I've come across, you've got yourself a new subscriber!
Hey, thank you! I think I may have forgotten to give you credit for the artwork... If you'd like, give me a link that I can add to the description so people can enjoy your work :)
I don't really mind at all, if anything I'm flattered it's getting used! It was just kinda weird seeing it here, I was thinking "hey this looks oddly familiar, wait what?" haha! Funny thing is, I was actually taking a break from working on a doll painting! I've been replaying the game recently and kinda had an urge to paint something Bloodborne related lol.
Anyway here's the link to the image: de-capo.deviantart.com/art/Lady-Maria-589250405 although I don't really use that dA account too much and I don't have any other galleries.
@@decahedronical You drew the thumbnail?
@@tarisco614 Yes I did lol
How exactly are you embarrassed e.e?
Never thought if it is possible in my whole gaming life but I would describe the fight with Lady Maria as "Beautiful." As if I was dancing with her.
That makes very little sense x.x i had more pleasure with Ludwig and Orphan
@@Fiery_Latina_Goatchan_GF_681 Dance part comes from the Violin music of the first phase mixed with her being a hunter.
Most bossfights are just Giant abominations that oneshot you if you miss a dodge. Lady Maria Bossfight is extremely fun if you have the old hunter bone and don't parry cheese her. Fighting against Maria basically becomes the two of you dashing in and out of existance to clash blades as the lovely violin plays in the background, That is the Dance aspect of this bossfight.
Bro the fight with ludwig made me cry
I was so happy when I killed him(freed him )
😓 Poor ludwig.
I wish I had that much elegance in my duel with her. My fighting style consisted of stepping away and waiting for an opening to parry, about 80% of the fight
@@danimishlib3450 but why when Ludwig literally did it to himself ? .
I'm so glad there's still a channel that covers bloodborne lore!
I came from the future and we're still playing Bloodborne, still exclusive for PS and still waiting for Bloodborne 2
When I saw Maria for the first time, I thought immediately of how Gehrman must’ve grieved the loss of a daughter figure. Him, being a sentimental old man, must’ve crafted the Doll to act as a Maria stand-in.
The Kool Krips Klub daughter might be the wrong word for how he felt about her LMAOOOOOO
FilthyMercy Main anime daughter maybe?
Just going to say that Gehrman definitely did not see Maria as a daughter figure lol
Just dirty old man think dirty to his own student.......
@@peeradechsrisaowanan9819 you are the dirty!
"A corpse... Should be left well alone." - Lady Maria.
It's sad that she acknowledges the fact she's already been dead, but she still chooses to stay in the Old Hunter's Nightmare to ward off any hunter foolish to reach the Fishing Hamlet and find Kos. A spirit already in peace, but still chose to stay as the guarding huntress of the clock tower.
Chooses to stay? Maybe she would...id she had the chouce.The hunter's nightmare is her punishment. As it is for all hunters there.
@@splinter360 poor maria
Where does it say that Maria is trapped? Lore states that she CHOSE to stay, in order to prevent CURIOUS hunters from finding out about Fishing Hamlet.
Bree_ When the Doll says that she feels that a "heavy shackle" has been lifted from within her after killing Maria, I interpreted from that that Maria was being held against her will, to a degree, and was waiting for someone to best her. Perhaps she knew that whoever could beat her would be capable of doing the right thing with the spirit of Kos. You're free to interpret it however you like though, obviously.
Ah okay, well I thought that just meant she's glad she doesn't have to protect the Fishing Hamlet anymore. Because I felt that was her shackle, though she chose to stay.
@False Feathers
Shackles can be self-inflicted, but you're ignoring the context of the Hunter's Nightmare; Its basically a hell for Hunters. The item that allows access into the DLC tells us that Hunters drunk on blood end up there.
Look at the other hunters we see trapped in the nightmare, do Ludwig and Laurence look like they want to be there?
In the cutscene before the player fights Laurence you can see him holding his head and screaming as if in pain.
And Ludwig is transformed into a horse like monstrosity that has no wits until he sees his sword.
Last but not least, everything we see in the Nightmare has already happened in the real world.The secret she's guarding happened long in the past.
I think she killed herself out of guilt in the "real world" (evident by the blood you see around her chair when you first encounter her) and then after her death she was sent to the Hunter's Nightmare where guarding her greatest shame became her own personal hell.
@@Vincinate Simon killed Lady Maria
@@randomthepleb4364no he didn't. the creator originally wanted to make lady maria an optional boss of which if you chose to not kill her Simon will kill her. but it's been established someone like Simon who is barely even known and just a harrowed hunter like many isn't strong enough and it would make no sense so the content were not used. Simon gets killed by the deer boi he ain't killing an old hunter like Maria or Ludwig.
"Lady Maria, I'm a robin." One of the best/ my favorite lines of voice acting in the game.
Great video too! Love bloodborne lore
Exceptional video, Mitch. Maria's always a favorite, hitting that sweet spot where appearance, lore, backstory, music, and fight quality merge together, and I think you really did her justice here.
When you say that you think that what might have been taken from the Hamlet for study at Bergenwerth might have been the unborn child of Kos I think you are very likely correct. As seen in JSF's video "Attempting to listen to the Baneful Chants," the background chanting in the Hamlet specifically states, "Mother is dead, her baby taken." (As a side note, I'd also suggest his "Bloodborne Up Close Episode 07," which includes some really fascinating speculation on Maria's life and death, her presence in the Nightmare, and the way various elements of the dream-worlds, including the Doll and the Winter Lanterns, and to a certain extent the Research Hall itself manifest as aspects or elements of Maria's life and personality.)
(This is also one reason why I believe that the Orphan that we fight in the Nightmare is the manifestation of the curse on Gehrman; his--Gerhman's--body cannot be taken because it is already leashed to the will of the Moon Presence but his sleeping mind can be tied directly to the pain and suffering that he inflicted in life.)
One thing I can't help wondering about Maria, though, is whether or not she actually appreciates her own liberation. What I mean by this is, her place in the Astral Clocktower is specifically standing between any newcomers and the Fishing Hamlet. If we believe that the Hamlet is the real-world Hamlet taken into the Dream a la the Lecture Hall, that's one thing--in this case, she's protecting Kos and the villagers from further defilement. On the other hand, if we see the Nightmare Hamlet not as the village itself but rather the manifestation of the curse, created by the will of Kos ("In his house at R'yleh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming" being one of the most well-known quotations from Lovecraft, so I would suggest that in that vein the mere fast that Kos is dead doesn't necessarily mean her power is. After all, _something_ had to answer the laments of the villagers to create the Nightmare.), then Maria is actually perpetuating the curse. Unlike Brador, she doesn't seem to have the "keep the Church's name clean" motivation, so it's entirely possible to me that she is seeking atonement for her own sins by keeping the curse intact to punish her fellow guilty hunters. Of course, it's also possible that she simultaneously sees it as her duty and also appreciates her freedom.
(I've always wondered about the Doll's line...is she speaking on Maria's behalf, or for her own? Does she speak of Maria's freedom from the Nightmare, of her own freedom from Maria? Or perhaps both? Hmmm....)
Thanks for your feedback! I need to go have a look at Aegon and JSF's thoughts on this topic as I kept myself away from those videos while I made this one.
Mitch L yes truly fantastic video sir
+DezoPenguin same here. Maria is the best waifu.
RadiantBlue3 yes then the fire keeper then the emerald herald
Meh she was my least favorite
the way Maria releases the arm of the hunter, is pretty much similar to the Doll's, when you go for levelling up.
Since great ones are "sympathetic" in nature and often answer when called upon, the hunter's nightmare is just what if a great one was called upon in anger or desperation. Though often enough, calling upon a great one is always a "be careful what you wish for" scenario.
Wouldn't killing her in the nightmare wake her up in the real world? Like with Micolash or the player character?
Maria's very likely already dead in the real world (like Micolash)--the Old Hunter Bone is almost certainly hers, as is the grave in the Abandoned Workshop where we find the bone and which matches to the grave in the Hunter's Dream that takes us to the nightmare. Unlike Micolash, though, she knows that she's dead, so she doesn't think (or comment) about waking up.
This. Micolash's only existence is in the nightmare. When Micolash expects to wake up, he only fears "forgetting everything."
Mitch L So many things make sense to me, all of the sudden. I had a hard time understanding the Micolash thing. So we can say Ludwig has been dead for some time as well. We are pretty much freeing these old hunters from the nightmare (Hell)?
It would also account for the dried blood on her cravat - it's extremely likely that, overwhelmed by the shame of what she had been a part of and now living with the living, screaming consequences of that night, that it eventually became too much for her and she took her own life. Probably wouldn't make much sense to some, though.
@@CM26617 I wish we got to see the Clocktower in the Upper Cathedral Ward but.... f_ck that place.
I think there is magic of a sort in the Bloodborne universe, but it's more along the lines of the old fashioned magic where one petitioned and relied on powerful forces. Various enemies use powers which are like sorcery, and the fact you can't learn them in part is what makes the game kinda scary. Compared with the Souls games, when you see an enemy use magic you can be pretty sure you can use similar powers, but in Bloodborne they are overwhelmingly alien abilities beyond the ken of mankind.
The quicksilver bullets, infused with one's own blood, are a kind of magic in their ability to harm foes when conventional arms fail. Look at the hunter tools with their supernatural effects, there's definitely something occult about how they use blood to fuel their power. Then there's the Arcane stat itself. I definitely think there is magic, but instead of being an all powerful master of the elements, the player as well as most other characters are looking at shadows on the cave wall with only the faint inkling of what they really are.
That all said, great video, definitely puts the human aspect of what happened in the past in better perspective.
00Boogie I think of Great Ones
@@Mondy667
The Great Ones can only be seen in the Dream Dimension or in this case, the Hunter's Nightmare.
There is a lot of horrors as wide as the eyes of the mind can see.
Lady Maria was definitely my favorite..and felt very bad for her.
You mentioned that those whose eyes are covered could perhaps be something like a preventative measure to stray from the nightmare. I would say this is possible but not much effective since Vicar Amelia ends up there despite having her eyes covered in the waking world. At least it’s heavily implied she is.
Maria is the Artorias of bloodborne. At the very least, shares the role with Gerhman
How I wish the Rakuyo weapon has a blood effect around it just like Lady Maria's one. That would be dope.
that'd be way tooo OP tho xD
easy enough to tweak damage down?
yeah, i was gutted.
Closest we can get is Chikage
That happens with her because she's a vileblood we could get the same effect if we had the option to be a vileblood in game, that'd be badass.
Thank you so much of this analysis! I wanted to do some voice acting for her on my channel, but was woefully unaware of how little dialogue she has. This gave me EVERYTHING and MORE of what I now know what to do to give her character justice.
This is frankly, one of the /BEST/ and well put together Lore videos that I’ve seen. I’m a huge fan of Vaatividya and others, stumbling across this though, you are a gem. Wonderful editing and pacing, thank you! And... Subscribed!!! ❤️👍
Oh man, yet another tragic figure. BB seems to be full of them. One small thing I disagree on though, I don't believe that Gehrman and Maria massacred the whole Fishing Hamlet alone. I think they were sent out by Byrgenwerth as sort of scouts first to check out the area and see if the rumors were true. After that they went back to Byrgenwerth to give report and then they travelled back to the Hamlet with a bunch of hunters at their side massacring everyone (maybe Willem, Laurence and a bunch of Byrgenwerth scholars and professors came along as well, I mean they'd surely wanna see a real Great one with their own eyes). Of course Willem and Laurence then didn't take part in the massacre, they let the hunters do the dirty work.
That's possible as well. In my head I imagine that perhaps M&G/Byrgenwerth scholars may have been welcomed as visitors initially, and it was only once M&G were given the order to steal something did things become violent. Laurence is another character I've got an itch to do a video about, since really, in the end a lot of stuff comes back to him.
Mitch L I'd love a video about Laurence and his past. After all he's pretty much the catalyst for the events of BB.
Maybe the villagers defended the old one, and were cut down as a result. I think the searching for eyes in the skull could have been done by other scholars, that's grunt work. And Gehrman got the orphan.
Certain since hunters must've not been allowed to act by their own, even if their mission were to find the eyes *in the case that they have engaged in contact with the great one*, it's more appealing and in character to think that the scholars would've wanted to presence the discovery by their own
One of my favorite Bloodborne characters. Awesome video as always, Mitch. The ending was superb, by the way, made me feel so many emotions.
Thanks for sharing!
Just wanted to say that i appreciate this alot, Mitch. Always a pleasure seeing pockets of people who are deeply invested in lores like this. Gotta love your choice of background music too! I love shutter island. Thanks again for this. Bloodborne will be a game to remember for sure.
And I appreciate you!
Simon asks you to kill Maria because he understands being trapped in the Nightmare as well. Thank you for this amazing interpretation. I agree with it for the most part.
Wow, this is amazing! I loved every detail so I have a hard time saying what I liked best! The presentation, the points you brought up, ugh I can't get enough. I can't wait for a Doll video, as she is one of the greatest Bloodborne mysteries! But goddamn this was awesome! I shivered when you said she let go, and I've gotta say that this is the best version of Maria's story I've ever heard told!
Thanks! That means a lot.
Such a great complex character. The moment she lets go and embraces her Vileblood powers, is one of the best moments of the game.
Bravo!
I've gotta say - i lack the patience and inquisitiveness it takes to compile information to this degree - it's safe to say that Vaati has become the base of lore when it comes to soulsbourne games for the longest of time. I don't always agree with him however and thus i am over the moon (shallow pun was intended, alas it is Halloween tonight🎃) upon coming across this channel!
Bravo these are some very high quality videos you created here - I feel this channel deserves many more followers! Here's to another 30k and then some!
stay safe during these nightmarish times
My favourite aspects and character of Bloodborne. Truly excellent video Mitch. The use of the Shutter Island ost was a great choice.
I thought it fit well! Thanks a bunch.
I enjoyed watching this and I'm happy that this video was recommended for me. She's my favourite character, too. I had the same theory that she didn't want another hunter to make her same mistakes and that her eventual death was her release. Good video and I loved how you made a Maria for this.
Dragon-of-The-Abyss86 Thanks you!! Laurence is up next so stay tuned for that!
I'll have to check that one out, but also the one you mentioned about Cainhurst.
You snuck in Revenge of the Sith soundtrack here. I absolutely love it so much!
This Video finally fills the gap that VattiVatya left in my soul with his promise of Prepare to Cry Lady Maria
I would like to thank you kind soul
Been playing for about 3 years and I'm still learning awesome stuff. I know this is old but I loved the video.
Surely you mean my waifu for laifu
@Moonman truly top tier reasoning fitting of an intellectual conversation.
@Moonman I expected nothing and was still disappointed.
serena is it true or is it something you made up?
I like the Doll in the hub world way more then Maria even tho it looks like her
Moonman Weeb lowlife, piece of trash
14:29 onward- Beautiful timing and editing.
It made the hairs on my head stand on end.
Totally! Which song is that btw?
Totally! Which song is that btw?
this was an awesome video man! very informative and actually made me a bit sad
Another excellent video! I learned so much from it. I always thought that just being in the presence of Kos transformed them, but the parasites make more sense. I thought they were always just put out there so the weapon would make sense. Keep up the good work, I look forward to any future Bloodborne videos you have.
And is the music at 12:25 from Revenge of the Sith? Lol
John Williams is the master.
Loving these vids man some of the best content, and good to see you're citing sources ;) :'D
Kenspiracy Videos - DeadZone Media always very important to cite the sources used :)
subscribed right away I hope you keep updating your content on Soulsborne
Dude you do deep into that, she has to be one of the most interesting characters in the lore behind her is great. So much insight as to why the dream and the nightmare exist cohesively
This video was fantastic, Thank you for making videos.
Top quality video man, subbed
I think she uses the Bloodblades against you because she's willing to take all measures to protect her sins even beyond death.
Any FromSoft NPC in this game just has a really rough time and I just wanna give them a hug and offer them some tea.
Maria is one of my favorite characters of all time, and probably favorite of all time for video games. This video does the story justice, thank you
I appreciate what you do here. You drum up an interest without giving it away.
"Curse the fiends, their children too."
Great stuff! Its funny how you often cut yourself off when going slightly off topic; I wouldnt mind you going off topic a little here. Redgrave made an interesting note on how the experiments of the research halls were doomed to fail due to their premise being incorrect, but I wouldve liked to hear your thoughts on them too (particulary the Living Failures. I never know what to make of these, because as far as 'failed experiments' go they seem pretty in touch with the cosmos as they throw chunks of it at you).
Great vids, hope to see more soon! Gonna check if you havent already, but if you could explain the mensis ritual at some point (and how the One Reborn fits into it in particular) thatd be really helpfull, as that is always a bit of a blank for me.
Alex Groot If RG was referring to the fact that the Healing Church only knew about Kos at this point so they focused their efforts around "water" as a basis, then he's made yet another interesting point. It's similar to how real world scientists in the middle ages would have to revise and update their theories of understanding once new discoveries were made. I'll consider doing a more dedicated video on the church at some point, I've just been chopping it up into different pieces at the moment. Thanks for your feedback!
That is precisely the fact I'm refering too. On a similar note, if youve got the time, you might find Epicnamebro's walkthrough of Bloodborne quite interesting, as it doubles as a lorethrough. I found his thoughts on Yahar'gul quite interesting, and they differ (as far as I can tell) somewhat from Redgrave's.
Alex Groot I'll be sure to give his a look, thanks.
Fantastic video, per usual. Also, I wanted to extend my compliments in regards to how dutiful you are in giving Redgrave credit when appropriate.
Also, I think it might be instructive to consider the possibility that the Lady Maria you fight in the Hunter's Nightmare is only one "part" of the original, living Lady Maria. She basically embodies the angry, violent portion of herself, reflected by the fact that she is garbed as she, no doubt, dressed as a hunter. Likewise, I believe the Doll in the Hunter's Dream is representative of the time she spent at the research hall. As you stated in the video, there is definitely a connection between her and the Doll, and the Doll's personality seems to be a reflection of her (general) demeanor at that time too, at least in terms of how the patients consider her.
That said, the Doll is clearly a very much neutered/bastardized "piece" of Maria, just as the hunter you fight in the Nightmare is...it's unlikely the TRUE Maria would ever have turned to such heavy-handed use of her blood were she whole. For that matter, she might have tried actually...y'know...talking to you, rather than going straight to "cut first, ask never".
Thanks a lot. I really wanted to be careful about referencing him properly, as he has worked extremely hard on his stuff and I wanted to make sure he received ample credit.
I think these are some really great insights. Maria's spirit has definitely been "split," so to speak, if we consider that the "Old Hunter's Bone," if Maria's, might have been taken after her grave was dug up. I think it's really interesting that Gehrman preserved her memory, as you say, as when she was more caring. Gehrman yearns for her, but perhaps did not understand her as best as he could have.
Absolutely! I think the whole "obsession" aspect is very telling there. That said, I also think it's relevant Gehrman essentially ignores, or even avoids, the Doll...I think he built the *original* Doll with the hope of getting comfort from it, and he did, in truth, get a very maternal type of creation (creature?) in the Hunter's Dream. Unfortunately, this wasn't really Maria, or was at least an incomplete reflection of her...the pain of seeing this "half-Maria" was so acute that he could barely tolerate the Doll's presence.
On an unrelated note, I've got some ideas about what, exactly, you actually achieve in taking down the Orphan of Kos, and the implications re: Mergo. I'll toss you a message on Facebook, as I'd love your input on that!
Lady Maria, the original "Foul tarnished..."
Bloodbourne is my favourite souls game but it really felt like cainhurst was not finished. Seems like the team rushed to release it than polish the cainhurst story
KimJongWins All the souls games have such areas. Look at Lost Izalith.
Cainhurst is a bit like the Painted World in DS1. Probably a lot of big ideas that they had but weren't able to flesh out completely.
The Prepare To Cry we never got
Wow Mitch, great moves keep it up. Proud of you!
Thank you for this awesome Video!
I literally was thinking about her tragedy over night and day and it makes me sad as she is one of my favorite characters
Awesome video! And excellent use of the Revenge of the Sith soundtrack 👏🏼
Probably my favourite soulsborne boss. There’s other fights I think are mechanically better, but the top of the clock tower is just so atmospheric, the music is great, and Maria’s character design just looks so cool in that setting. The feeling I got during that fight and walking up to the clock afterwards was amazing.
To me it's Gehrman, everything about him is perfect, especially his scythe, he is really the best.
Earned yourself a sub man. Thank you for the insight.
Crusty GymSock Glad to have you! Lots of good stuff coming soon.
Great video, man!
You know I've been waiting for this video. Great job as usual, finally someone with a solid grasp on the timeline, THANK KOS!
But lemme point out a few things because I'm an annoying person:
- Your theories are solid enough for you to walk on your own legs, Mitch :) there's really no need to keep referencing the Paleblood Hunt every 5 seconds. Don't get me wrong, I love Redgrave's stuff even if I don't agree with a lot of his theories. I just think that his ideas influenced the way the community looks at some aspects of the game a bit too much.
- I am sincerely surprised that you didn't point out that Maria's presence among the Byrgenwerth Hunters is one of the biggest clues towards Laurence being the scholar who brought the Old Blood to Cainhurst. As you said, Laurence and Willem had Gehrman on their payroll, after all. And yes, yes I know that your point is that Cainhurst is waaay older than the Church and the college itself but I still find Maria's presence in Gehrman's team an anomaly that only Laurence's secret meddlings with Cainhurst could explain.
Unless you believe that Gehrman was a Cainhurst guy himself, of course. I personally dismiss that theory since I totally headcanon him as the third loyal servant of Willem, alongside Dores and the Gatekeeper.
- Whatever the scholars (them, not the hunters. Maria threw her weapon away the very moment she realized what they had done. I doubt she took the time to vivisect anyone before going "oh well, this is fucked up. I'm out." but perhaps it's just me :P ) took from Kos, being it an umbilical cord or the Orphan himself, that was most likely used in experiments that led to Rom's ascension. Which ties the Fishing Hamlet directly to the Mensis ritual. And MP, and the Dream, and Mergo. And practically everything else. Gods, I could write an essay about Rom. She's the true waifu.
- You sound a bit like Vaati at times. You're scaring me Mitch :P
Glad to have helped, I know you were a fan of this character so I'm happy that I did her justice.
-That's understandable. I guess going into a topic that I wasn't 100% sure about in every respect made me want to hold onto a source that I trusted like training wheels on a bicycle.
-Honestly, I left any mention of that out just because I'm still unsure. I have a feeling that whoever brought the blood to Cainhurst understood the gravity of the action they were taking and most likely lived out the rest of their days their, so I'm not sure if it could be Laurence, but your theory that it was could be true as well.
-I agree, there's a lot more to talk about on the front of Byrgenwerth's experiments. Even though Byrgenwerth appears as the more "rational" group in comparison to the Healing Church, they both have their problems, to say the least. Mensis may be a video to do in the future.
-I fear... the sweet lore... it sings to me, it's enough to make a man sick...
This is so cool, great video
I'm more surprised that nobody as asked for the sliders of that amazing Maria face. If you haven't, could you make a video or document listing the numbers for the sliders? Please and thank you.
Also, great video!
A really informative, interesting and exciting lore-video, like for you
excellent video. as always.
Fantastic video!
I am curious. Since people connect Maria to the Doll, and Doll to the Winter lanterns. Could it actualy be ,that W.lanterns are nightmarish version of Maria. Here is why i feel that way, in old hunter workshop ,you find attire that resembles Dolls, it says its a spare attire. It might be Marias spare attire, since she is a royalty in a way. And the big blobheads in clinic cause you to frenzy, just like lanters. Just think about it. It might actualy be Gehrmans memory of Maria being their caretaker. And then it all gets distorted in nightmare (just like birds and dogs switch heads).
I wonder if she gave up healing the patients in the lab because when they had their brain fluid, they kept talking about THE SEA.
(Where the curse began.)
Wait, YOU CAN SURVIVE HER VISCERAL??? WHAT??? So many times I have been instakilled though!!!
You can on lower new game pluses to just new game or you been unlucky to where she kept roll/dash catching you with her combo to a visceral follow up.
Amusing bit of fridge brilliance for Lady Maria in particular having a powerful Visceral? Dexterity is what determines the power of that.
Low healthpool.
Awesome video. Like I said before turning into the best lord videos out there.. and cont. w Bloodborne plz
Thank you for continuing with the lore of Bloodborne.
*insert nagging that you're voice isn't the same as Vaati here*
Subscribed! Saw your post on the Bloodborne sub and I'm wondering how I haven't found your channel before :D
Sage Leviathan Welcome to our relatively small but humble community :D
Awesome video!
Some nice story telling in this vid.
Thank you, in depth theories on bloodborne. I feel like it isn't as robust in the YT community as is dark souls. This was the ultimate git Gud fight in souls for me.
I saw it mentioned somewhere that the Executioners (which would probably include their massacre) came before the Healing Church. I think it was something about Church attire being inspired by that of the Executioners. It was a while ago and I don't even remember the source so I could be mistaken.
3 years on but I've just picked the game back up. And you're right. The executioners garb was the basis for the healing churches attire.
An idea occurs to me, that might be disproved in the game lore, what if Maria didn't know she was a vileblood? Say Ludwig for example visted Cainhurst whe she was very young and sensed or noticed that she would be a great warrior so he kidnapped her and entrused her to Ghaiman for training. She didn't know about her inate abilities until you start beating her which maybe never happened before which caused her to instinctively activate her cainhurst ability. Just an idea that popped into my head.
She was a citizen of cainhurst and direct relative to the queen. Not realizing that she's a vileblood wpuld be a stretch.
@@NoobGamer-ix2mr "Maria is distantly related to the undead Queen" did You forget about this?
A bit late but doesn't it say she prefers the rakuyo over blood blades as it requires dexterity? So she would have to know how to use blood blades even before her death
An EXCELLENT video, thank you very much.
Never had a chance to actually play the game. I don't have the time unfortunately. But I've always loved Maria, she's like the embodiment of willful ignorance. She wanted to help people obviously, but she slowly realized her mistakes. She came from a long family of death and power and tried to escape that. Unfortunately she followed them in their bloody footsteps
Also I can't help but admit I'm super gay for her voice
Thanks for the video. It was really eye-opening for some things. I had my own little theories and I'm glad I've been mostly in the right track. I also agree that the curse may he as real as everything else in Bloodborne's world. It may not be exactly similar to what a curse would he in a world where magic does exist but it is definitely something a Great One would be capable of, a massive concentrated-energy-phenomenon.
I still have one more question. How is Maria dead but then comes to life and then she dies again but this time for real? I hope you see this.
Impressive video! Your avatar is very beautiful.
Well done!
Just found these! I love how in depth they are. Have you given any thought to the lore implications that hunters can invade other hunters realities? Normally I would chalk it up to a fun game mechanic, but it's forced on you in some arias which makes me think it exists in the reality of the game...sort of an inter dimensional deal.
Anything multiplayer related is difficult to pin down. However, now that you've asked, I think it could possibly be connected to the concept that one can be alive in the dream world, but dead in the "waking world." For instance, you are able to enter Micolash's mind to fight him, even though he is dead. I'm not really sure where to settle on that question, but I might make a video about it in the future.
The Fishing Hamlet villager’s speech (accompanied by the music) at 4:33 is great.
awesome work, subscribed. I shall try to catch up..
I'm an Xbox player personally, but goddamn PlayStation has some good exclusives. Some. Also great video btw. I haven't seen a lot of bloodborne, but I know a lot of souls games have extensive lore for about everything. I forget where I saw lady Maria, but I knew she had to have some backstory.
Lady maria is my favourite souls boss ever, thank you for the video.
i actually have lady maria,gehrman and ludwig bgm. love it especially lady maria,all of their bgm sound special and epic to me.
Mitch L really said "fine. I'll do it myself"
Ty so much for this.
Such a great character.
The child of Kos taken could be Ebrietas.
After all, she's the Daughter of the Cosmos.
"Kos" seems to be an alternative version of "Cosmos", and Micolash famously said "Kos. Or some say, "Kosm(os)".