Pew Polls - Casteism in India

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  • @rajatushar123
    @rajatushar123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Meanwhile:- Me an OBC watching this video with a SC friend at my BRAHMAN freinds house eating from the same packet of chips.🧐😏

    • @vaibhavyadav9912
      @vaibhavyadav9912 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jitendra Singh haha

    • @vinodmishra2888
      @vinodmishra2888 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Afghanistan. Mea. Ketnea bachcho
      Kee. Jaan. Jarahi. 10..14..saal. Kee
      Ladkeyo. Ko. Reap. Sax. Slave. Bananea kea. Leya. Yea. Sab. Kya
      Ho. Raha. Un. Kaha. Hea

    • @vinodmishra2888
      @vinodmishra2888 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vaibhavyadav9912 Allu. Chepch. Ka
      Bolnea. Aata. Hea. Karna. Nahi

    • @rajatushar123
      @rajatushar123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Jitendra Singh wo garlic bread hai bhai.😅
      Wo bhi saath me hi Bana ke khaya tha.🤣🤣

    • @mtarkes
      @mtarkes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Actually Brahmins have a rule that they should not eat food that has been mouthed by others (Brahmin or nonBrahmin). It was done to prevent catching any communicable disease. But today if they practice that they are accused of being casteist.

  • @bishfire
    @bishfire 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Being from a brahmin family I have seen this discrimination at my home when people from the lowest of society will come and they will be given a separate mat to sit on floor, but that is only limited till my grandparents generation. The problem is the people from lower caste had accepted this reality and they don't find this discriminating as Abhinav said.
    Now when I grew up and collected some sense, as any person of my generation would do, I found it idiotic. Now since they won't come and sit on a chair, I will take a mat and sit next to them.
    But now when I go back to village, I can see the things changing. Now I don't see them sitting on floor, or being looked upon as lower ppl. Yes, I believe its a matter of time, we must be soon seeing this Post caste society!!!

    • @polyby
      @polyby 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In which country you are living ?

  • @flashgordon9640
    @flashgordon9640 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

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  • @shashanksharma6936
    @shashanksharma6936 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I saw in the report that central India reported the least % of caste discrimination region wise. The central India was UP and MP. This blew my mind whereas South region showed relatively higher discrimination than central. The narrative of media and SJws is completely opposite!

    • @Nonamam
      @Nonamam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ppl actually think casteism is less in southern region? Nonsense!! I can personally attest even in small village there it is still strong

    • @NatrajChaturvedi
      @NatrajChaturvedi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Exactly, they like maligning central India, calling it the cow belt and painting it as casteist hell but in the day to day living, its being anhiliated each generation at a staggering rate and now caste is more prevalent in other states. States like Rajasthan and the southern states.

    • @FatherFigure123
      @FatherFigure123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Nonamam I would actually say that there is a lot reverse casteism to Brahmins in the south as well, especially the Dravidian-Periyar-ite school of thought - the infamous quote "if you see a snake and a Brahmin, kill the Brahmin first" is very much the attitude, with noted instances of public humiliation, threats, and violence faced by Tamil Brahmins. Casteism on both sides is wrong and leads to the furthering of hatred and division in society, so I think both sides should be equally called out and condemned. Not trying to dilute the SC/ST struggle tho, hopefully that part is clear

    • @NTIS-DHARMIK
      @NTIS-DHARMIK 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@NonamamIt is less compared to North.
      Even stats attest to that

    • @Nonamam
      @Nonamam 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@NTIS-DHARMIK which stats?? Caste issues are all over Bhaaratha.

  • @richiknair9036
    @richiknair9036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    When you read the beautiful tree, you will understand when exactly caste got institutionalised by British. You could watch the Sangam Talk on The Beautiful Tree by Dharampal as well. That will give a clear image and it'll be faster than reading the book

    • @dudepandey736
      @dudepandey736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for sharing info on talk by Dharampal ji. I do have the book but haven't gotten around to finishing it. Shall watch the talk on Sangam .

    • @sunilvalmiki4554
      @sunilvalmiki4554 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We All are HINDUS and ONLY & ONLY HINDUS.
      हिंदू वयम्
      हिंदू केवलम्

    • @LordxDev1L
      @LordxDev1L 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sunilvalmiki4554 ur meethi vaani is only limited to internet...

    • @Aadityaprakaash6340
      @Aadityaprakaash6340 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did the Britishers even introduced the caste based discrimination and untouchability?

    • @Aadityaprakaash6340
      @Aadityaprakaash6340 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LordxDev1L what do you mean

  • @sunilvalmiki4554
    @sunilvalmiki4554 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    We All are HINDUS and ONLY & ONLY HINDUS.
    हिंदू वयम्
    हिंदू केवलम्

  • @swadeshtaneja3512
    @swadeshtaneja3512 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think in marriages people want to marry their children in their own community because of cultural ties. This is is misunderstood as cast.

    • @yashsinghrathore2978
      @yashsinghrathore2978 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is more wrong less right
      I belong to a Rajasthani rajput family and my family wants me too marry someone from both Same caste and ethnic backgrounds
      But breaking ethnic background is would be a lot easier for me.

  • @loyal_servant_of_queen_abh1275
    @loyal_servant_of_queen_abh1275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I think the the jains not preferring to have SC neighbours has to do more with the differences in the eating habits rather than the caste. Just a thought.

    • @glycontheserpent4336
      @glycontheserpent4336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thats what I commented Jain's don't even allow muslims,Christians and some upper caste and some OBC hindu and Sikhs too.
      Their main issue is meat eating I my friend who was a brahmin but he ate meat was living in a jain house hold as PG but was kicked out because they find out he is eating meat in their premise.

    • @pratikkantode937
      @pratikkantode937 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I'm myself a vegetarian.. And I'm OBC. my point is how one can be able to deter eating habit on the basis of their caste... Brahmin could also eat a meat (I know lots of) and SC, ST, NT, OBC could be vegetarian

    • @rajatushar123
      @rajatushar123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@pratikkantode937 jain don't even eat onion, garlic, potato etc you want them to stay with people who might eat meat.
      Remember they are true minority in India and need such privileges which is being provided to 2nd majority.

    • @NatrajChaturvedi
      @NatrajChaturvedi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@pratikkantode937 Yea so in the real world, before giving you his flat on rent or whatever, a Jain will simply ask you in plain words "do you eat non veg" even if you are some vegetarian caste like Brahmin. They don't care about your caste, they care about you not eating meat, I know because I live with Jainis in my building.

    • @Aastha.12345
      @Aastha.12345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@pratikkantode937 yes Brahmins can be non vegetarian, but the fact is while non vegetarians are exceptions in Brahmins, it's vegetarians who are exceptions among sc. st. and many obc castes.

  • @sushmitbafna3205
    @sushmitbafna3205 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To understand the point about why Jains would be less willing to share a Dalit neighbour the answer is mostly related to eating habits.

  • @besttech1993
    @besttech1993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bring in a strict rule of giving Government (Taxpayer) funded benefit solely based on Income and Performance. Voting based on caste groups must end in India. Reward 'Merit' and 'Hard work' more than any reservation. Our policies (75 years old) have not helped us in creating equitable society - today's 'upper caste' are becoming tomorrow's 'lower caste'. Government can not create wealth by printing money. It cannot re-distribute wealth to the deserving section unless Rich from all castes/religions pay Income Tax willingly. Rich families from any 'Caste' should not get any special treatment.

  • @AryanGupta-cz1cb
    @AryanGupta-cz1cb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Good to see that Right is taking up the topic which is allegedly monopolized by Left

    • @dudepandey736
      @dudepandey736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Excellent point Aryan.
      Most of our social, religious, cultural, historical & intellectual discourse is primarily an extension/continuation of what I call the criminal enterprise of European/Christian indology project beginning 18th century AD. The only difference is that while the European enterprise has now been taken over by the Americans in the west, in india this criminal enterprise has been lapped up by, whom Rajiv Malhotra ji calls, Brown Sepoys, hindu by name but civilzationally deracinated. This Neo hinduphobic colonialists are casteist, intolerant, hateful, bigoted, hypocritical,abusive, misogynistic against all Hindus who don't subscribe to their hindu hate.

  • @glycontheserpent4336
    @glycontheserpent4336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Jains basically don't even allow muslim,Christians and even some upper caste in their locality not just Dalits.
    There problem is cultural any one who is meat eater they generally don't want to keep them in their locality.

    • @chiefrabbi6735
      @chiefrabbi6735 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Who cares. As long as dalits etc are getting equal rights, these things don’t matter. One day dalits will be as prosperous as Jains and they won’t allow them to enter their area.

    • @harshr9185
      @harshr9185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jains are more conservative than brahmins. Nonetheless, nice folks.

    • @harshr9185
      @harshr9185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@chiefrabbi6735 ya, like jains are dying to get into dalit areas.🙃🙃

    • @chiefrabbi6735
      @chiefrabbi6735 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harshr9185 i am talking about the future you fool

    • @dr.harshitjain6410
      @dr.harshitjain6410 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@chiefrabbi6735 as if we are stopping meat eater monsters to grow rich like us 🤣

  • @Aadi_Varaah
    @Aadi_Varaah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    All Buddhist majority regions of subcontinent are Muslim majority today except Sri Lanka and Bhutan. Look at Afghanistan, Punjab, Kashmir, Sindh, Maldives, Bangladesh all are muslim majority today historically all these areas were Buddhist majority while all areas which were Hindu majority are still Hindu Majority.

    • @yashsinghrathore2978
      @yashsinghrathore2978 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kashmir, bengal, Pakistan, sindh
      It is just coincidence and weak Muslim conversion policies of mughals to blame
      Also india has 2nd most populus Muslim population
      Count the subcontinent , nobody is close

    • @Aadi_Varaah
      @Aadi_Varaah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yashsinghrathore2978 ! Not weak conversion policies but dense population of Indian subcontinent. Because many muslim travellers described that Hindus sold their wives and children to pay the oppressive jizya tax. I was talking about the regions with absolute majority not comparison between the subcontinent and other regions of the world.

    • @yashsinghrathore2978
      @yashsinghrathore2978 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Aadi_Varaah conversion in india happened in huge scale
      Pakistan and bengal and kashmir are example of that
      If u convert no. We are at second position counting india alone
      Also same conversion technique of selling wife was used in more huge scale in Iran and Afghanistan

    • @Aspirant24-uy3zp
      @Aspirant24-uy3zp ปีที่แล้ว

      That's bcoz Buddhist were the ones who invited muslim invaders & helped them due to their hate for Hindu sanatanis

  • @lakshyabhardwaj9541
    @lakshyabhardwaj9541 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A take on kushal's confusion regarding jain-dalit dynamic. Jains do not face discrimination within Jain community but they don't want a dalit(in general) as their neighbor. These are 2 different things. The reason may be food habits.

  • @sanjayvaidya4925
    @sanjayvaidya4925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Casta is a term which means "lineage" in Spanish and Portuguese and has historically been used as a racial and social identifier.

    • @Nonamam
      @Nonamam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In South America where they assigned more or less powers based on how much European or native American blood they had. It's purely western racist construct.

    • @Nonamam
      @Nonamam 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jitendra Singh translation?

  • @PragyaTGupta
    @PragyaTGupta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope my Book will soon fill the gap especially what Abhinav is saying..on caste and Discrimination

  • @anuragsharma4159
    @anuragsharma4159 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    About ICM It would have nice to see ICM opinion in different castes.

  • @unnatacharya
    @unnatacharya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Does anyone here knows any lawyer of SC?
    SC has said yes there should be a creamy layer in reservation but we need to reach SC and then this caste based reservation will end in some decades.

  • @politicalstunt7642
    @politicalstunt7642 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not dharmification but continuation of dharma despite the forcefull conversion.

  • @bharata5496
    @bharata5496 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jati Varna was better as it had upward Or downward mobility

  • @GG-ur4km
    @GG-ur4km 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The sheer truth is whether you are muslim Hindu christian sikhs or any other religions in this world - You caste remains - whatever you're in caste doesn't go... Caste is more than religion in indian subcontinent. Saala religion koi bhi ho india me sab caste me baat jaate h 😂😂😂

  • @bhuvanc4992
    @bhuvanc4992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Casteism in India is a political weapon with a strong colonial legacy to keep Hindus from uniting. That is why it is a problem only in India but not in, say, Bali or Nepal or Trinidad where Hindus are a majority, or in other places where there is a big Hindu diaspora, such as South Africa or US.

    • @ghanshyam1990
      @ghanshyam1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There is casteism in Nepal, however in Bali (Indonesia), Trinidad, South Africa, or US they aren't in dominant position so the effects are diluted.

    • @LordxDev1L
      @LordxDev1L 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hindu Society was never an united society...So stop ur bullshit that Britishers divided the society... Casteism was there even before mughal Invasion...

    • @bhuvanc4992
      @bhuvanc4992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Read Breaking India by Rajeev Malhotra and Arvind Neelakandan that covers this subject with a great deal of evidence.

    • @punyashloka4946
      @punyashloka4946 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bhuvanc4992 no offense to you all these people are exploiting caste system they have not created it.

    • @thedarkknight9335
      @thedarkknight9335 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love how these new distorters who get inspired from sai deepak. ThE bRitIsh DiD it. Chutiye ravidas guru nanak pure scriptures m bhara pada h. Only thing is ki vedic period probably fulid tha uske baad se pura system corrupt h

  • @surajs5913
    @surajs5913 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    @Abhinav Sir last 10 minutes is mind-blowing, i support your theory of universal accessible free education and healthcare

  • @theriam6281
    @theriam6281 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    First of all i dont think if two people want to marry, they should be forcibly stopped. I think that there is no reason to stop an intercaste marriage. But I also would not expect that the parents of their families won't have any problem, because for the most of India, different castes means totally different lifestyles and accepting someone from a different caste requires a lot of adjustments within your family environment, and hence some kind of discontent or even resistance is understandable. And people need not go all woke about it.
    Also, I won't want an artificially made casteisr society like the Nehru misadventure. It is better to fight caste perjudice only and things will automatically change towards the good 😊

    • @bishfire
      @bishfire 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well yes, intercaste marriage is a next level of discussion as its far more complicated than just the discrimination thing. Since in India Marriage is not just a marriage between 2 ppl as they do in west, its more of a family affair. And when family is involved, culture is too involved. And as we all know every caste has their own cultures in few things like Food and the way they do other rituals. Its not impossible but it would take a great deal of open mindedness to achieve that.

  • @vinayakzanjad7894
    @vinayakzanjad7894 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Abhinav is legend

  • @toonalaya
    @toonalaya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent discussion

  • @anantagarwal7092
    @anantagarwal7092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Honestly why are we giving so much i portance to this survey which covers not even 0.1% of population.
    I understand that in this country we dont get data easily to analyse something but still its ..

    • @darshu94
      @darshu94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Bcz the think tank that published it are very reputed and has excellent track record of being correct

    • @richiknair9036
      @richiknair9036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@darshu94 Watch Karolina Goswami's video on this. I do think this report is accurate in many cases but the religious conversion report in it is definitely not to be taken seriously. Watch the video on it by her and you'll understand why I'm saying this

    • @locomotive43
      @locomotive43 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The whole idea of doing any survey is taking a small representative sample and making an inference about the population.. so sample size will always be small.. you can argue on how accurately this sample representated the population or not

    • @LordxDev1L
      @LordxDev1L 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richiknair9036 Sample Size is equivalent for every country ...If they've decided the sample size to be of 1000 people then it will be same for each country whether the country has 10 million , 20 million or 1 billion population...

    • @richiknair9036
      @richiknair9036 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LordxDev1L Ok. In that case, we know the accuracy of these things will be much worse in India than the other less populated countries. That's basic science.

  • @cmadari
    @cmadari 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys why not get people like Dr. Suraj Yengde, Kancha ilaiah, irfan habib?? I am curious to see their point of view

  • @snehashispanda4808
    @snehashispanda4808 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The caste system as it exists today is the result of developments during the rise of the British colonial government in India.The British Raj furthered this development, making rigid caste organisation a central mechanism of administration. By 1860 the British formulated the caste system into their system of governance, granting administrative jobs and senior appointments only to Christians and people belonging to certain castes.

    • @yashsinghrathore2978
      @yashsinghrathore2978 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha 😄
      Jati varna is well before British and Portuguese and mughal
      Both by birth
      Although historically many caste moved upward and downward as a group

    • @punyashloka4946
      @punyashloka4946 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah everything is a British construction then what is original in India huh stop peddling this nonsense 🙄

  • @dev4rajan
    @dev4rajan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    After 1990s Openingup of Indian economy and Liberalization, religeous Conversions spiked by several times more than previous 50yrs, as Hindus are less religeous while the other side have become phanatically assertive.
    One may counter this view by pointing to some European Countries and Usa xians who seems less assertive of their religeous identity due to Modernity. But it's not the case in Asia, though well developed SKorea, Singapore, Japan witnessing brisk pace churchianity undermining native faiths as more of the Population declared themselves as Irreligeous So in India while casteism dwindles with more development but as Hindu Society becomes more irreligeous, it becomes fit to harvest souls, as evangelists call it. Wokism also helps them in this project as Hindu kids are falling Victims ro it. Anti- Majoritarian Judiciary and Governance fasten this process in India.

  • @smoky3302
    @smoky3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I hate trads and they are the worst .

    • @indicaedits8692
      @indicaedits8692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Trads are even worse than left.

    • @theriam6281
      @theriam6281 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@indicaedits8692 exactly

    • @glycontheserpent4336
      @glycontheserpent4336 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@user-ti8id6bb2t सा की बात सुन छोरी ये Trad जन्मना जाती को मानने से।
      ये छावे के अगर कोई कुम्हार से यो कुम्हार ही रहे।
      Modernization का विरोध करे से ।
      और औरत सिर्फ घर की चारी दीवारों मा बंद रहे से बच्चें पाले और पैदा करे।
      Trad लोग भारत को मध्य युग में ले जाना चाव से।
      पशुबली का सपोर्ट करे से।
      Twitter में trad हिन्दुओं को मुजाहिंदु कहा जावे से इन्हीं सब बात के कारण।

    • @glycontheserpent4336
      @glycontheserpent4336 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jitendra Singh भाई जी सा को लागे से आप भी हरियाणा रा रे हो।

    • @glycontheserpent4336
      @glycontheserpent4336 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Sarthak Rajput तुम लोंगा के नजर में तो आर्य समाजी , रविदासी, कबीरपंथी यहां तक के भी जितनी भी सुधारवादी पंथ से सब रायता से।
      बस तुम एक शुद्ध से।
      सा जेडी नजर मा तुम और इस्लामी कट्टरपंथ एक से हैं।

  • @FerrilSamal
    @FerrilSamal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will you be covering Pew Reports stats on relegious conversions? The stats are quite contrary to popular opinions.

  • @RD-pp9ds
    @RD-pp9ds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    27:40. but why is this surprising?
    Only Dalits face discrimination and by all means they are not more than 20% of Hindu population!
    Majority OBCs (who're more than 50% of total Hindu population) are dominant landowner castes. It's foolish to think that a Jat, Gujjar or a Yadav will be discriminated by a Brahman or Bania who are less in number and usually have less muscle power when compared with dominant OBCs.

    • @RD-pp9ds
      @RD-pp9ds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Jitendra Singh well let's be honest majority Indians are casteist which is understandable (not good/justified) because we live in a pre Industrial low income country.
      The issue is this narrative created by the media that only brahmins are casteist while rest are oppressed...if anything the OBCs are the most casteist of all !

  • @NN_1515
    @NN_1515 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Few questions:
    1) why are these terms castism and bjp/sanghi/bhakt always tightly coupled? 🤔
    2) if castism is not being viewed to be as a serious issue, why are we seeing so many conversions (and most of them all willing conversions, not forced)?
    3) the idea that varna system/caste system existed during harappan civilisation or prior, there’s no proof to say that, we see mentions and propagations of these systems in religious scriptures but not in any harappan civilisation records that were found, moreover harappan civilisation remnants found make it look more like an industrialised civilisation, with very little scope of dividing people into groups based on jobs, needs more research.
    4) if castes are not going to be significant then why to even have them as insignificant remnants? (Is it not better to replace it with a more efficient approach where the problem and divide is just uprooted altogether, instead of just letting it survive in hibernation and at a later point still have a risk of it)?
    5) still how long this caste issue needs to be dragged? Even after being an independent secular democratic progressive country, why still such issues are being dragged on from generations together?
    6) what DNA purity are we talking about if all Indians have same origin and heritage and hereditary things are also becoming more and more globalised, capitalised? (Ex: land was one such thing which would have been inherited by future generations, but now a days most of the land is being owned by builders to build apartments or office buildings or malls etc., so does it bode well to carry forward any ideologies which are not serving any good purpose any more)?
    7) even in school admissions forms and employment forms people have to mention their religion, caste etc. What purpose does it serve there? (Other than just justifying that place to be “equal opportunity provider” kind of organisations).
    8) people denying discrimination or ignoring it, doesn’t make it ok, doesn’t make it right, there are different groups in all religions (ex: Christianity at a broader level has Catholics and Protestants. In islam too there are rank based systems ex: kazis, syeds, momins, imams, mullahs etc.), but we don’t see one being superior/inferior to the other, why was such superior-inferior theory written in hindu religious scriptures? Fear can be a good tool in controlling people, maybe that’s why, so called superiors having more social power/acceptance whatever, and being less in number (population), but so called inferiors being majority in number (population) can serve as employees/slaves/assistants or whatever to so called superiors. But the whole logic seems to be flawed if it has its roots in fear, because at some point people will learn to overcome fear, and will do what they need to do for a better life, so I don’t really get the logic behind such systems.
    9) to actually do away with hindering factors, discipline, education, exposure and equipment at rural level needs to be provided. Coz we don’t have any qualifications requirement for politicians, and many many politicians come from rural background, with their own upbringing-mindset-opinions-perceptions, so at that level we need to bring upliftment and equity and that’s where governments need to pay attention and invest more.

    • @smoky3302
      @smoky3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      First of all we haven't dichiper harrapans records so it is impossible to say what there sociteal system is.
      Its a speculation that harrrapa has some kind of caste
      All ancient settled civlization were divided in to professional heriarchies
      In many socitey it resulted in slavery.
      Slavery is basically mentioned in Hebrew Bible but it doesn't mean ancient semetic people doesn't have slavery.

    • @NN_1515
      @NN_1515 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smoky3302 exactly, religious scriptures mentions these things, so there’s no way to justify that so and so religion doesn’t have any caste system. But west seems to have thinned those bifurcating lines and have come together, there’s something to learn there. And the whole Harappan civilisation and predecessors most of the records are yet to be discovered, whatever little is found there’s still no assurance that translations are correct (there were few such blunders if you look at translations of some records of Egyptian civilisations, which were then corrected later), and the successor civilisations too have same problem, but why do we still have this issue and arguments about this is beyond me. A country that wants to be super power cannot be bound by such trivial issues, cannot afford to waste time on such things which don’t matter anyway.

    • @smoky3302
      @smoky3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@NN_1515 ha ha ha west still has class and that's why their socitey is collapsing.
      Heriarchies can only be toned down by technology it's the industrial revolution which end slavery.
      And the Japanese caste system was broken by another industrial project the meji revolution.
      India unfortunately is not yet Industralize .
      The only way to improve current scenario is Industralize, Privatize and Urbanize.
      And we must dump socialism in favour of free market.
      Heriarchies may still exist with AI or robots as new shudras or slaves.

    • @smoky3302
      @smoky3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Jitendra Singh well iam not talking about varna in harrapans socitey.
      Iam believer of AMT so I don't think they have what u called Vedic varna system.
      Iam just saying every civlization of that period be it Sumerian, Egyptian etc has some sort of professional based class heriarchy which can be described as caste may have existed.
      The harrapans are not a class less dravidian utopia as some people think.

    • @smoky3302
      @smoky3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Avra Talukdar ha ha yes but it's common most of us are subscribed to this channel.
      Jitendra Singh ji and I also butted heads in many comment section.

  • @dudepandey736
    @dudepandey736 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Modern world has new jaatis which are based on professions, choice of this particular professions could be by design or default, like those of lawyers, doctors, celebrities, IT techs, corporate white collar workers, bankers, students, journalists, startup entrepreneurs, bureaucrats, govt employees, small business owners, educators etc. these are all based on mobility within society as those comprising them are from a wide array of communities who are from erstwhile jaatis that didn't have any representation in these professions,or are now part of these new ecosystems. This fluidity is in itself remnant of the erstwhile jaati system that existed before the advent of European Colonialism under which the destruction of economy along with a systematic ethnocide lead to complete collapse of social & cultural setup, the latter was in anycase on life support after suffering a physical genocide by islamists over the past 800 years.
    Without considering this complete annihilation of a living, breathing, mobile, fluid, dynamic civilization built on religious, cultural & social values that were an outcome of an open architecture over a millennia by viciously antagonistic ideologies, it would be a travesty, might I say criminal, to analyze the evolution of the current realities that exist around us.
    In my understanding, india as a nation has not held political, economic & military power in it's own hands to chart the destiny of it's people for over 1200 years, but since getting it back in 1947, the people of this geography have made progress by leaps & bounds in all spheres of existence.
    Come to think of it, Americans & Europeans who have been politically, economically & militarily the Supreme powers not only in their own geographies, but across the world are still grappling with issues of equality, racial & religious discrimination, gender discrimination, economic & social exploitation, discrimination based on color of the skin, sexualisation & objectification of women, cultural appropriation, military expansionism, societal Harmony, riots, abortion & child birth, appeasement & hypocrisy, political correctness, separation of religion & state, & so much more. These are the same societies & nations that just 70+ years ago were exploiting every imaginable resource on earth,be it men, material, religious, spiritual, technological of whole world under the flag of their religion & racial superiority of their skin color ,but are shamelessly lecturing the whole world on what constitutes human rights & how their idea of a modern society is the only true way to exist, how supermacist & Abrahamic of them.
    We have much to give credit to ourselves & we must imagine our nation's value system as a society from our own civilizational experiences & it's outcomes over the past 6-7k years, rather than consuming the outcomes of civilizational experiences of the western world in it's journey through history as best for us.
    Much of our discussions on issues of religious, cultural, social & economic,political, military nature that we are grappling with today are a direct outcome of the wholly destructive contact of our civilization with Islamic imperialism & Christian(Western) Colonialism.

    • @RAIRADIO
      @RAIRADIO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually thats not justified. That is textbook discrimination. Just because its with the excuse of religious belief, it doesnt make it ok. Jains dont get to discriminate just because they dont eat meat and potato. If that makes them unfit for living in a multicultural society. When they go to a work place, weddings, parties, what do they do at lunchtime? Dont they eat? Dont they attend? All natak.

    • @yashsinghrathore2978
      @yashsinghrathore2978 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We were weak to colonize the world that's it.
      And also by ur same argument next time don't lecture any dalit or obc when he rants about casteism in front of u
      We were the same people exploiting them 60 years and ago and still to some extent

    • @dudepandey736
      @dudepandey736 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yashsinghrathore2978 my above analysis of the current discourse around the caste system & it's lived reality is not an attempt to avoid discussions on the subject,but to give a perspective to the native Indians to not be guilt tripped,or hold in awe the model of western Universalism sold by the Judeo Christian civilization as a panacea for all ills facing humanity, for the simple reasons that I have brought out above. Only a society free of war & strife can progress on indices of human evolution. In India's civilizational journey, there was a 1400 year period which was spent fighting wars for just existing, the society as we knew it was systematically destroyed, it's actually a miracle that we are still around although, in my opinion, we are a dead carcass of once vibrant indic civilization.
      In that sense, since we regained political, military & economic power, we are trying our best to address our shortcomings as a society, resolve our differences, define our identity, correct historic wrongs, redress grievances, uplift communities which were discriminated against, reimagine our civilzational identity as a confident, assured, proud people, wrest back our civilzational narrative from the clutches of our oppressors.
      Point being we don't need to be guilt tripped by anyone & specially by those who despite holding political, economic and military power for centuries are still running #BLM.
      We don't have to feel ashamed to accept our deficiencies as a culture, religion or society, but we have to be bold enough to accept them as it is, and endeavor to find solutions.
      It's an uphill task as our oppressors continue to divide us into a million antagonistic identities, but persevere we must.

    • @yashsinghrathore2978
      @yashsinghrathore2978 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dudepandey736 haha , dude
      I don't see any uppercaste person even acknowledging the caste based discrimination.
      Guilt is required, compassion is required not just In a big scale
      Discrimination in Indian society is far more deep rooted than in European one.
      It's just our society is not as liberal as them.
      U can live in dream of so called Indic pure and mystical culture ,I dont.
      We are not trying enough to counter differences as government and as society.
      U just have too much black and whites thought in ur mind dude.

    • @dudepandey736
      @dudepandey736 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yashsinghrathore2978 I disagree with you that we are not doing enough,or that we don't acknowledge the discrimination. If you are adamant on dismissing the entire civilizational journey of your geography as having no consequence on our current realities, that's your choice, I don't look at it like that. European Colonialism is a major cause of vicissitudes in our society, and western society is not a Panacea for our problems.
      If you don't see the upward mobility in all areas of civic existence in india, be it govt administration, political ldrshp, entertainment, education, economy, entrepreneurship,military, & so much more then maybe you need to look deeper.
      There is not a single so called upper caste person that I know who doesn't acknowledge the fact that our very own countrymen have been discriminated against & that needs to be corrected.
      My country's president is a dalit, PM is an obc, large number of MLAs,MPs are of backward classes, there a million examples of upward mobility, a lot more needs to be done to reduce discrimination, but going back to my original argument, a society can only evolve when it is the driving it's political, economic,social & cultural narrative, not when it's under alien rule & being subjected to physical, cultural, social, religious and intellectual genocide.
      I for one don't wallow in self pity, I can influence my immediate environment & that's what I do.

  • @himdude9637
    @himdude9637 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    हिंदू अब सपथ ले की जो भी ऐसा समुदाय जो आरक्षण का लाभ ले रहा है और खुद को हिंदू नहीं मान रहा है तो उनको आरक्षण का लाभ खत्म करने के लिए आंदोलन करे और उसी पार्टी को वोट करे जो ऐसा वादा करे

    • @himdude9637
      @himdude9637 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      वो तो जब खत्म होगा तब पता चल जाएगा. तब तक तो तुम्हें यही समझाया जाएगा कि तुम्हें हिंदू होने का आरक्षण नहीं है. पाकिस्तान बांग्लादेश मुस्लिम बना. बताओ कहा है वहां आरक्षण
      पाकिस्तान बांग्लादेश मे अधिवासी होने का आरक्षण कहा गया है. हिंदू अपना भाई मान कर हक्क दिया तो चर्बी बुरी वाली chadh रही है. यही चैलेंज 370 मस्जिद और तीन talaq वाले भी कर रहे थे. की कोई छू नहीं सकता है. कलेक्टर मिनिस्टर सब समझा रहा था कि कोई छू नहीं सकता है.
      जब उनकी लग गई तो chu नहीं निकला इनके अब कराह रहा है. अब तुम जैसे को आगे कर के इस्तेमाल कर रहे हैं. समझा रहा हूं. बाकी मर्जी है.
      ये घोटाला हर राज्य में है. SC ST मुस्लिम ईसाई बन जाने के बाद भी reservations का लाभ ले रहा है. और मुस्लिम का zakat foundation राज्य सरकार के अधिकारी को घूस खिला कर ज़्यादा से ज़्यादा मुस्लिम को नौकरी दिलवा रहा है

    • @excitableboy7031
      @excitableboy7031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      शपथ*

    • @Aastha.12345
      @Aastha.12345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is this not discrimination against muslim and Christian Dalits. Are they not indians.
      I m all for reservation to muslim and dalit Christian.

    • @himdude9637
      @himdude9637 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Aastha.12345 first Christian and muslim prove from text that even after converting to islam and isai they are not equal from their text.
      Can they prove this?

    • @alok9307
      @alok9307 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dr Ambedkar
      I was born a hindu but I won't die as hindu!
      Gyan mt chod beta!

  • @MaheeSharma-u5l
    @MaheeSharma-u5l 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So today I was reading seven and half lesson abt brain and something about niche construction thay our social environment shape our reality.Problem with lower caste today is that their niche constructed in a way to make believe that casteism exist today also . They don't tell you complete truth which ia that it was prevalent in past and today it has been reduced and also and we got so many advantages today nad upper classes are also accepting us much better that past . Ofcourse am not sure abt people from villages there may be some cases and that too who are pro religious person who may be doing these things .But tgese way of looking at world is not right because if you tell your child half truth and it's bad for them also.they need to tell that some pro religious still does overall it's good

  • @Aadityaprakaash6340
    @Aadityaprakaash6340 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s this Mbc the Dalits or SCST are the most backward castes so there’s nothing like to categorise differently like “MBC”

  • @bhaveshdk
    @bhaveshdk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Om...

  • @tanveercheema3802
    @tanveercheema3802 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    these are old 2021 polls

  • @ravikulkarni1690
    @ravikulkarni1690 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cast covers marriage and occupation only.

  • @suyashawasthi1
    @suyashawasthi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Abhinav joined BJP? Gonna miss the anti-BJP rants by AIM on his channel.

    • @yashchandan1_9
      @yashchandan1_9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It doesn't matters; AIM will always remain independent!

    • @suyashawasthi1
      @suyashawasthi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@yashchandan1_9 Yes. Will see him regularly on other channels.

    • @yashchandan1_9
      @yashchandan1_9 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@suyashawasthi1 Absolutely!

    • @NatrajChaturvedi
      @NatrajChaturvedi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was a bhakt even before joiming. Never heard a word from his own mouth against Modi. Now toh, he is working "Modiji ke netrutva mein" and won't utter a single syllable against BJP.

    • @yashchandan1_9
      @yashchandan1_9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@NatrajChaturvedi Look, being a supporter of Modi ji is not a crime; even I support him on max stances, but yes criticism is equally important and he must be criticised for his wrong actions; but remember never support the Congress and others!

  • @PDMVPrayag
    @PDMVPrayag 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    🙏

  • @kunalseth6437
    @kunalseth6437 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍

  • @suyashawasthi1
    @suyashawasthi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    49:42 What about jobs? Have they been increased like college seats. No.

    • @dharmikrakshak8340
      @dharmikrakshak8340 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Job creation wasn’t Nehruian policy.Nehruian policy was to create English speaking parrot 🦜 so they serve colonial master as Nehru was .

    • @suyashawasthi1
      @suyashawasthi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dharmikrakshak8340 How is that related to my comment?

    • @user-rv2tn9qx2b
      @user-rv2tn9qx2b 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But even now the upper caste have upper hand in govt jobs
      In terms of numbers

    • @suyashawasthi1
      @suyashawasthi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@user-rv2tn9qx2b Still not related to my comment.

  • @nomanor7987
    @nomanor7987 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Strange ‘caste’ still even exists in modern India. Can a Dalit man marry a Brahmin woman in India today??

    • @shreyasmaitreya462
      @shreyasmaitreya462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The irony when the President of India is Dalit himself

    • @smoky3302
      @smoky3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Dude iam a an Gujarati Dhor a SC caste my GF is a brahmin Dwivedi from UP .
      My mother is a Punjabi rajput and my sister is elder is sister is married to a baniya from marwar.
      My second sister is engaged to a patidar.
      And I can tell u many families where such dynamics exist.

    • @NatrajChaturvedi
      @NatrajChaturvedi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      People don't understand that widespread arranged marriage culture is one of the reasons why we caste ossification and marriage only within caste is still prevalent in India even in Urban India.
      When you rely on Mummy, Papa to find you a bride/groom then obviously you will settle for marriage within your caste.

    • @NatrajChaturvedi
      @NatrajChaturvedi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Your parents will of course repeat the pattern that was followed for their own marriage, ask around in the 'birradiri', talk to Pujari ji and ask him for any pics of suitable brides and so on.

    • @NatrajChaturvedi
      @NatrajChaturvedi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But other than the decission of whom you marry, I haven't see casteism in any form in Urban India.

  • @harshvardhan8636
    @harshvardhan8636 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    30k people

  • @anonymouslyopinionated656
    @anonymouslyopinionated656 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    29:20 Stop personally attacking us, that's a a little crap. :(
    doon ka naam leta rehta hai :@

  • @harshr9185
    @harshr9185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Leave all this bs and move to a developed country. Truth hurts.

    • @HarshitSharma-lb3ul
      @HarshitSharma-lb3ul 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I have lived in a few "developed" countries but it is a sham. EVERY county has PLENTY of issues. I will stay here in INDIA and make it better than the "developed" ones. Your opinion are respected but they not the TRUTH.

    • @smoky3302
      @smoky3302 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Move to Japan dude a so called devloped country
      U will find same BS there too and also a untouchable caste Burakumin.

    • @hughjanus7176
      @hughjanus7176 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@@HarshitSharma-lb3ul I decided to stay in India long back, but there are a lot of issues here too. Much more than the ones that developed nations face. The difference is that we have not been able to break free from problems that nature has presented us like poverty, disease, disaster etc, whereas the developed countries having resolved the natural problems have begun entangling themselves in artificial problems, problems that are either self created or are an emergent factor of development. There'll be a stage when India will begin to witness similar problems, but first we need to get out of the first level problems.

    • @harshr9185
      @harshr9185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@HarshitSharma-lb3ul please name those few?? I live in NZ and it's way better than India. Again, the truth hurts.

    • @harshr9185
      @harshr9185 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No I'm fine here in NZ. Japanese don't know how to party; India and Japan both have a high population density, a sure sign of trouble.