Biased BBC Caste System Discussion - Jay Lakhani's Fiery Response
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I have listened to this debate so many times... Mr Lakahani is right that if we legislate on something which is non existent,, then it is aumilar to revive it.. Thanks to Mr Lakhani whose efforts forced the Uk govt. To withdraw from cast discrimination bill...Also cast discrimination ha no doubt existed in India but it is not Hinduism
These very strict and fearful laws in India against caste discrimination where you are put inside the jail for non bailabe offences.
he is a cchristian what do u expect from him ..every body knows that this abrahhamic rreligion have huge hhatred towards hhindus & iindia ...so this flat earther can go to hell.
Absolutely right. We should refrain from confusing social ills with Dharma. They are not the same.
caste discrimination is not Hinduism is the same thing as saying Osama wasn't a Muslim and ISIS aren't muslim.Only the victim can give u the real answer if it exists. Why can't upper caste Hindus speak against it or is afraid to face backlash from his hindu counterparts.
So Upanishad are not Hindu scriptures ???
Eugene Colas was scared to name Islam cause he knows the backlash that will follow. He said Hinduism , Christianity , Budhism , Sikhism but was fearful of mentioning Islam
Islam is equivalent to the Mediaeval Era
He did mention when he talk about South Asian Subcontinent. Before 6:15.
I did not hear Christianity. This guy is a converted christian, he is the trump card of church or evangelists that acts like those animals that are used to trap fellow animals!
It may be that Eugene thinks that it does not really exist in Islam: though it is correct that the right-wing Hindutva movement, is busy trying to divide and undermine Indian Muslims!
I may not be sure that whether my assumption is correct.
One part of the thinktank community is thinking that they can apply the Divide and rule one more time and take advantage of the impact it creates 'or' the result it delivers.
Dear Thinktanks, this is not 17th / 18th Century.
You may have to find a different way to achieve your goal which will be your dreams. Dreams all the time will look real when you sleep.
I’m also a Dalit ( sc ) but I’m Hindu
Hindu scripture didn’t mention any caste system
You are a *Bharatiya first and Dharmik next* . That is our identity. The term 'dalit' means 'peedith' or 'troubled' . As per this definition are you economically challenged ? If you were it would have been very difficult for you to be appearing online for discussions so let's rest the case there. Kindly don't get swayed by these 'SC or ST' labels that only suit the needs of political parties whom rake issues for their votes. And you are 100% correct that "casta" was/is and will be inexistent in Bharat. We had temporary Varnas which were very much labor skills and deeds based along with being character based (Guna and Karma). Not based on birth like the European casta system that they introduced in Indian dictionary during colonial times. There is no high or low in Varna. All are equal. The Itihaasas, Upanishads, Shastras and Vedas are testament to this. Best video to see on this is "Sanatan Reveals" on varna ashrama Dharma - it was merely 'Dharma' .
Brahmanical scriptures are wholly based on caste system. Nowhere in those scriptures hindu word is mentioned.
CASTE IS A REALITY IN INDIA
Stop calling Dalit. I am chamar . I am sanatani.
Varnaa
I belong to OBC but I Strongly hate those people who abuse hindusim at the name of castism
Same obc sister, I am obc as well. And that Christian guy is fool.
@@Kathakathan11 I'm also OBC
If you believe then please start saying I am hindu first. High time we hindus need to unite.
what about marriage? it may not be absconded in scriptures but marriage between different caste is a rare occurrence because of superior lineage/heritage/skin tone that plagues peoples mind. it is no different from economical-social standing on other parts of the world, i get that every person would like to increase rheir influence but whether it was for good or bad, it exists.
Arent you one of the people who uses caste to get reservation? Not you personally maybe but i am talking about " OBC, SC, ST....... " Meanwhile students of general category suffer
As an OBC from india, i want to make it clear that the only time i was made to realise that i am an OBC was when i voluntarily wanted to take the benefit of reservation at the age of 18yrs. Its not the society that wants casteism anymore, its the political system that needs it
Well said 🙏 Dhanyavad for standing with the Truth Sir.
So true.
There is no such thing as OBC or SC. There is just Shudra. And Shudras should grow some brains. Read Manusmriti. Reflect on how bramins have oppressed the Shudras for millenia. Stop kowtowing to bramins.
Even today, only a bramin is eligible to become a priest in Hindu temples. Such blatant birth based csste system exists. And the Shudras have been brainwashed to defend their oppressors.
Well Noone should deny the sc experience
"Only place the caste system is practiced in full pomp and glory is in Buckingham palace". That was a savage comment by Mr. Jay Lakhani.
Do the Hindu Nazis still hate the Muslims for destroying India.
then why u go to uk
@@JACOBSYLASto take whats our
@@parmar__12😅
@@JACOBSYLASTo Extract Money which they looted from us
Eugene is mid-informed and I am sure he is an arm of the missionaries.
He is part of the Soros toolkit.
As a Muslim I totally agree with Jay. Hinduism is 👍
I am a Sikh and i have deep respect for Vedas ... Because it teaches pure Spirituality..
Dhanyavad 🙏🪔☀️ Wahe Guruji Da Khalsa Wahe Guruji Di Fateh.
@@TheB657waahe guru ji di fateh, not father. Thanks
@@SuperHumptydumtytypo bro...
@@SuperHumptydumty Was a typo as was entering from a phone. My mistake thank you 🙏
I also respect Sikhs. Lots of love to you ❣.
Swami Vivekananda had mentioned in his teachings that a converted Hindu will cause more harm towards other Hindus and Mr Eugene is a living example of it…Thanks to Mr Lakhani for fighting the bull with its horns…
Absolutely
You can thank the caste system.
@@elementm5428so if he is out of "caste system" why is he worried?
Today it is proven a truth
@@elementm5428😊 okh we'll thank the british for bringing caste in Bharat
Eugene is Hindu? 😭 If not then why is he talking about Hindus.
We have Varna no caste. The time of Varna is no more it is already lost in 1300 years of foreign occupation and due to on-slots of missionaries and Islam.
Exactly. They created their own bs Dalit Christians for seats in colleges and then have their own class of people. Just a matter of convenience , it’s easy to bash and now pander to the west’s anti-Hindu movement.
There are powerful Christian groups in Europe and America who have created such phony Dalit groups to target the Hindu community on its caste system so that they can project themselves as saviours of the lower castes and convert them to Christianity. They are our enemies. Learn about them from Rajiv Malhotra’s book Breaking India.
Well said and neatly pointed out.
Profession based, non - hereditary Varna system still exists in every modern society..In ancient Indian civilization, Varna was mostly hereditary as most people were trained from childhood to do their tradition family occupation....
exactly my point. once he has converted he has no right to claim his caste identity of hindu society (as claimed by him.)
there are castes in english society as well. they may call it as class. i once read that royals did not marry commoners. is it not caste descrimination.
(i remember a rhyme "my pretty maid" and in it the noble man says he cannot marry her because her father is a farmer"
western societies have amplified it and exploited it for their co version business to the hilt.
Time to put an end to it as hindus have understood your agenda and will fight back. no more divide and rule.
CAste system is visible in all pomp and glory in House of Lords . Sir you nailed it .
How.. explain please.
@@sangeeta963 If you are born in English royal family then by fault you become head of state. That is caste system for you.
@@sangeeta963in Indian Cast system came after Britisher came to India, even during mugal they refer 4 section of hindu.
very nicely explained Mr Jay Lakhani, clarity needs to be given to fools who try to demean hinduism.
Casteism gifted by British missionaries are vanishing amongst Hindus. Where as spreading in Christianity. There are SC Christians ST christians OBC Christians Nadar Christians Mudaliar Christians. A christian is prohibited from walking in to any church for baptism or confession or wedding or burial ground. Separate caste based churches and burial grounds exist. There is no sign of eradicating casteism in Christianity in India. In the west it may be BLM
I am supportive of Mr.Lakhan's view but what you say is total BS and illiterate expression.
Can you provide me, in which part of India are these Churches? When I worked in India, the Hindu's who worked , kept on chatting that they are Brahmin Hindu's & kept taunting me, coz. I eat meat. Racist folks! Go to Gujarat, Rajasthan, UP & many other states, there's discrimination based on caste. Temples, are there reserved for lower caste Hindu's.
My aunt calls herself a Brahmin catholic from Konkan. They don’t marry anyone , very picky to marry.
@@user-hgfg65so, it’s cultural and is not going to disappear if the religion is changed? Do Brahmins get some kind of reservation if convert to other religions?
@@zxzv1 why should you feel inferior if you just eat meat? Nowadays people don’t give respect just based on the caste. Brahmins have to live a disciplined life and excel in studies. If no character, they will become a laughing stock to everyone. Those days are gone when everyone revere or fear Brahmins. But still you folks need to come out of your mindset of inferiority and be able to challenge Brahmins and demonstrate they also can be like Brahmins. Many sudra forward castes are already doing this successfully. I think reservations are preventing the self-esteem of other ‘lower’ castes
40 years, am still yet to see a physical copy of Manu Smriti! But apparently so many non-hindus have seen it, read it, quote it and have a copy of it.
Exactly ! 🙏 Correctly pointed out.
No one actually reads even the pdf copy. The truth is after reading it i.e the entirety of it & not just selective paras, I am sure if I were allowed to choose my Varna in a society where Manushmriti is followed, I'd have chosen to be a 'Shudra Woman'. The only rules for Shudras in Manusmriti is 'they're not allowed to read Vedas' but 1000s of rules for Brahmins & upper caste males, starting from where & at what time they should take a shit to god knows what. Not to mention for the same crime men get mutilated while women get house arrest for two weeks. I'd rather be a Shudra woman who doesn't have to follow any rules than an upper-caste man in such a society. I was so shocked that Shudras hate Manusmriti & Brahmins defend it like 'are you seriously out of your mind' , its Brahmins who actually should hate it😂😂😂😂😂.
@@sakuradey6271nice job of Gaslighting
Yeah never seen it in 30 yrs of my life. Most of the hindus either read vedas, pooranas, Upanishads or geeta but i haven't seen anyone talking about manusmriti. It was made by few people to twist the religious values for their own benefits n it is least read or followed by hindus. Mostly non hindus use it to degrade hindu values 🤦
@@sakuradey6271 Thank God *someone* read it 🙏 And these are not "castes" they are varnas and anyone can change their varnas and there is nothing like a person of another varna "shouldn't" read the Vedas but simply this way : *Only qualified nurses and doctors allowed in ICUs not a peon ; a nuclear scientist and 'certified' staff allowed in and around nuclear facilities why ? the danger posed'.* Similar case here. When your spiritual prowess increases and you are following your acharanas you are already a Brahman and by the way the scriptures and daily life it is evident that people of all varnas have the same ancestors that is *The Saptarishis* . A Vaishya, Sudra, Kshatriya and Brahmana varna practitioners all have similar ancestors like for e.g. Shandilya Gotra among landowners and a stall keeper, Vishwamitra/Kaushika Gotra among Nairs and Iyers ! Why ?! Because we descend from the Saptarishis only. Then how can there be different ancestors for different varna and on whom we differentiate ? Hence we call 'Vasudeva Kutumbakam" (whole world is one family). Even Europeans, Africans, Mongolians etc. we don't consider different - we do consider them as descendants of Maharishi Kashyapa through Manu and Shatarupa. Also it is mentioned in the Shastras that anyone willing to take on any varna can do so officially by taking on Kashyapa Gotra. This is there in the Shastras !
I'm Brahman and was born and raised in USA and I have never felt any benefits for being a Brahman
Well said. 👌
I live in india.. and even I haven’t felt any benefits… because there are non..😂🤣
In India, it’s a curse to be Brahmins. There is no freebies or reservations for them.
If we eliminate reservations, Hindus will unite under one…eliminate castes altogether. Help and buy from Hindus only.
Caste....is a very private..issue .it's differs with different families.......the fact is, its very much alive in my family......I am a South African.....we marry within our caste....Pandys...Sharma..Mistra... MAHARAJ...Singhts..etc.....
@@kunjptiwari "tiwari" ji I dont want to call you names which you deserve, but have you heard of EWS?
Huge respect for you sir for showing what real Sanatana Dharma is...
What you Sanatuni terrorists did in Manipur the whole world see it clearly .
Mr Lakhani (removes glasses and sets his hair) "I'll destroy this man's whole career" 😎🔥.
Distributing rice bags can hardly be termed as a career.
@@vijayravi56 😂 Bro…😂🤣 that was epic ☠️
I'm upper cast poor Hindu living in India, the whole system here is baised against me, current affirmative action policies have led to disparities in opportunities and outcomes based on caste, despite achieving high grades, people like me encounter obstacles in gaining admission to premier universities and advancing in career, whereas people belonging to lower cast eat the fruits of "AA" without burning the mid night oil,it's disgusting😢
I am from OBC and after learning scriptures of Sanatana Dharma. I have huge respect for Brahmin & Kshatriya not by there birth but as there values.
If someone lived there life according to highest values & ethos! We gonaa respect that!! But I want give respect today’s Bhatt or sharma brahmin just because they didn’t do anything for this society.
I have a tremendous faith in Bhagwat Geeta…& this type of idiots can’t broken my faith!!!
Liberal defame Brahmin because most of Smriti/Puranas written by them! So they want to destroy that link system with Scriptures. But we will teach those scriptures irrespective of Caste & we save our culture once’s again.
As a OBC…! I want to do Brahmin work! I am Brahmin for 1 hr in week. Brahmin means the one who know Brahm “
Liberals are idiots.
Mr. Lakhani rocks, Mr. Eugene is a fool.😂
Seems like Eugene loves to live in the so called bubble that he has created around him
Don't know in which era he is living. Such a lot of lies he is blabbering.
well that pays his bills.
he is cchristain what the heck he has got to do with hhindu varna system .... even though varna system is based upon one's quality and function it had been misused and now hhindus got there country back so they r rectifying the sslave system and given equal status to every hhindu individual ...as eugene is cchristain & so his religion is book based which support sslavery
My friend these people are a lot more insidious than you think. There are very well funded Dalit groups created by Christian groups in Europe and America. Their main purpose is to keep targeting the Hindu religion and separate the lower castes and convert them to Christianity. They are run by White Christians and these groups are very well funded.
guy is an evangelist - job scope is to lie
Very well spoken by Mr Jay Lakhani. More strength to him and others like him 🙏🏻
Jay Lakhani is right about hereditary class discrimination is Europe, USA....
As long as people mixup religion with social and economic laws.... Religions will need to bear the responsibility.
This man wants what? Reservations? I go to Hindu temples, so does anyone stand at the door and ask what your birth status is? If he’s facing job discrimination he needs to bring it up with job tribunals.
YOU CANNOT ENTER A TEMPLE if you are a Sudra In India .
Yes its happening in many temples
Pujari refused to do pooja Becz they are Muslims
In many temples they are not welcomed
And so called upper caste still discriminating in the same caste
Caste abuses that's the reality
You are living in closed imaginary world
@@GamerOne_meMuslims are a different religion....They don't even allow their own women in their Mosques.....There is no caste discrimination in Hindu society apart from the reservstion introduced by govt which has forced so many Brahmins to commit suicide out of poverty.....
@@GamerOne_me what? Muslims not allowed to enter temples? why Muslims wants to enter a temple in the first place, isn't it 'haram' for them? I'm a Hindu even my family members are not allowed to enter the 'pooja'/prayer room in our home unless we have had our cleansing shower to avoid contamination of positive energy. Every Hindus knows this, therefore a priest can't be standing in front of a temple and checking everyone walking into a temple if he at least had a cleansing shower, if he asks then he'll be labelled as a 'discriminator' in the name of religion, right?
@@GamerOne_mepagal hai kya, Muslims never go to temples, they go to mosque, 😂😂
Absolutely right Shri Lakhani. Great. Namaskar
Hindu word ka puran aur vede me mention hai. Jay lakhani ka gyan bhi simit hai esaamle me . Ye dusra chotta Jo bak Raha tha saale ko Gyan nahi bak bak kar raha hai
Wow never seen such pin point answers and eloquence.... take a bow Mr Lakahani 👌🙇
Caste is a Portuguese word for class in English. The word was introduced by the British in India. The word to differentiate different groups of workers is called Barna, a Sanskrit word meaning colour, the clothes of different working groups. It's still there. People of different working groups even here in UK use different coloured clothes, particularly who are working as police, safety workers, nurses etc.
Their is two thing here one is victim another is victim mentality.
In which age is pink sweatered guy living?
Nothing like this is happening in India !
All humans are equal.
Good joke 😂😂
@@Inner.divinity I don't know how these people get courage to lie , and nothing but lie?
@@jayakumarkaarikuzhy4713These are mostly teenagers. They have been brainwashed to much extent.
@@jayakumarkaarikuzhy4713 They may not be lying based on their limited view, but there is fallacy in his statement even if you didn't saw anyone doing discrimination or heard about it, doesn't mean it is not happening in the entire country.
But These discriminations based on caste only done by Britishers during their rule as they have their own class system with kings, queens,nobles and peasents which is being followed by others till now. I think we have evolved to not do it as part of human values.
Exactly, that Pink sweater guy Eugene, is still living in La la la land.. He is an evangalist and In this same way actually Christian missionaries brainwash poors by demonising Hinduism and its society...
Hindu religion has evolved and Caste system is pretty much set aside by Hindus living in India. No urban or semi-urban cities have any discrimination based on Caste and very strict provisions are there in Law if any discrimination happens..
Rightly said by Jay chachaji(in India we make relations like chacha)..Respect to him..
In Hinduism people love to reform, as this religion is not stick to only one book . But if they(who made caste certificate proudly for themselves)want to live with their past memories no one can change their thought
They want benefits of cast, they do not want to be identified by their real cast in society but on paper they want their cast. They want everyone to keep reminding how they might be oppressed in last 1000 years from time of Islam and Europian and to justify they are falsely accusing hindus (Bhraman) as if they did everything. They do not want cast racism on them but they surely do racism among themselves as well as with others... I am saying this from personal experience.
@@user-Kalkivery truly said
@@user-Kalki Correct 🙏
Excellent Jay ji was a warrior an intellect and will be
Well done Jay Lakhani. Satyam Eva Jayate. Truth will Triumph.
Amazed with Eugene to have so much bravery to come on a programme and publicly display his ignorance and and the fact that he has not spent even a few minutes to study the subject. Seriously impressed.
You are sitting in your Ivory tower
Jai Sanatana Dharma 🕉️🕉️🕉️
Never Mess with Hindus
So funny BBC raking up 'Caste' system when they created it. Casta is a Portuguese term to refer to this hierarchy *in European society :* Clergy > Nobility > Rich/Influential/Merchants > Plebs/freefolk > Slaves. When there has been no concept of "slavery" on the Indian subcontinent prior to the Turko - Mongols (Mughals/Moguls) then how come 'Varna Ashrama Dharma' be related to European "Casta" ?? What perhaps ought to be discussed is the forced enslavement and worse than animalistic treatment to the natives in British colonies including the U.S till the abolishment of slavery and Martin Luther King Jr. having fought against racial discrimination (White Card/Black Card...). Don't get us started on all these fronts Brits. else you will be shown your horrible figure.
Oh come on british didn't create birth based caste system go study history stop blaming every bad thing in hinduism as british invention
well put.
The BBC created the cast system? Well, you learn something every day!
@@Tukulti-Ninurtathe colonies who used their colons to think created it… bbc is the pr department which justifies this and calls it the white man’s burden to destroy perfectly harmonious societies and “colon”-ise those areas
Portuguese never say untouchables like Hindu why blame someone and Portuguese ruled many countries why there is no caste system only in India caste system practice
Well spoken Jay Lakhani ..!
Mr Lakhani is right. The beloved scriptures of Hindus were written by so - called Dalits:( low casts). To name some of those : Vyas, Balmiki, present Indian Constitution by B S Ambedkar and many more.
Mr. Jay Lakhani is absolutely RIGHT 👍 and the other panelists is twisting by showing that Dalits are discriminated.
If Eugene could explain the basis with in Bible either in new testament or old, that form the foundation on which baptised Christians like him practice caste system.
In india, there are SC christians ST Christians OBC Christians Nadar Christians Mudaliyar Christians. There are separate churches for each Christian caste . A Christian can not walk in to a Syrian church for baptism or confession or weddings or burial. They will not be entertained
@RepGen In short, Christianity practices caste system based on church you go to. What a shame.
@@RKV8527 what a shame ..cchristianity does not have varna system u guys have slave system don't called ur sslave system as hhindu caste " varna system" ....varna system is based upon one's quality and function ... what u guys practice is not caste it is sslave system...
@@urrasscal8380 Well said. "Varna Ashrama Dharma" doesn't refer to any "Slave system" whereas the entire concept of slavery originate in the middle east and west.
@@urrasscal8380Christianity promotes slavery
Just like a ray of light contains different wavelengths different colors and still remain one, Vedic Sanatana Dharma/Hinduism is that one thread of light which embraces the diversity of humanity and nature since eternity. Hinduism believes everything is permeated by Divine/God/Brahman even from the blade of grass to the infinite sky 🕉️🙏🏻
I am a ordhodox Hindu and i never use word Dalit because cast system was given by British. I love Dalit so much
Tum dalit se Saadi kar sakte ho kya
@@Darsh_Yadav_2025 Marriage is personal choice! Even i am not comfortable to marriage even Brahmin or Kshatriya Community Girls!
Thankyou sir 🙏 your contribution Towards explaining hindusim to world will always be cherished.
More power to Jay Lakhani Sir. Jai Hind!
I doubt if Jay sir was called again for a debate after this
There are so many inter caste marriages happening in India particularly in south of India (more educated population) and the caste system is kept alive by the politicians but deep down its collapsing.
There is no "CASTA" in Bharat except that peddled by politicians. We had Varna Ashrama Dharma not any "system" which is colonial hangover.
@@TheB657😂😂
Not really. They don't have a "more educated" population. It's still a third world country where people beat north Indians because of their language
@@Maya-jj8lh it might not be the lack of education and just be a passion for their own language, it is still not acceptable but believe me, they know what they are doing, at least their leaders do. as far as inter caste marriages go, don't the priests/pandit match their "kundali" usually?
@@GamerOne_me Illiterates laughing is not a new thing. It is an old trend.
Now they want Reservation in UK 😂😂😂
That guy is a woke keralite i guess
Absolutely. Reservations must not be institutionalized.
, especially where economic disparity is not as conspicuous. Merit alone must prevail.
Because Hinduism and Hindu cultural society are so intertwined, there is too much confusion between what's actually central to the Vedas and the corrupted, corrosive artifice that got layered on over the passage of many years. Mr. Lakhani clearly shows the difference between the two. (This is why I enjoy all of his talks so much.) In my personal experience, Americans also get the Hindu religion and Hindu cultural society confused. When I expressed, to the European-descended American husband of a Hindu woman, my interest in converting to Hinduism, his eyes grew wide, and he said, "You can't convert! You have to be Indian!" It was so maddening that I never again shared my aspiration with another American.
1st philosophy of Hindu given in Rigveda, where good work done by any thing is regarded as God. Like our god sun , wind, rivers , plants and some known human with good karma. So this is purely karma acknowledgement religion, as simple as that. Purely science. No fake miracle. If u follow this Rigvedic idea you are Hindu. After Rigveda 1000s books written but all are personal opinion book with no authority. Living or non living things doing good work for masses are regarded as God, as simple as that.
The main problem many in the west make is pre - judging a civilization and it's values based on what their academia talks about the same and not based on their first hand experience. Hence it is easier to form stigma out of pre - conceived notions. I have seen American students comment on India online without having visited the nation themselves and even if they do they come as tourists whom hardly care to learn the values, culture and traditions. Like they say "When in Rome be a Roman" similarly people from abroad must 'at least try' to become a Bharatiya and live the life, the culture and values and ethics instead of holding on to pre - conceptions. Of course it is difficult with a strong European or western background but it is quintessential to understand an ancient civilization entirely than just sit on the fence and comment. I am not talking about you Ma'am but in general. I belong to Bharat but I have stayed in the west for work and got along with multiple nationalities. In Europe there is a more deeper understanding of India than it is in the U.S or U.K to be honest. The Ramayana and Mahabharata are literally played there in drama theatres. The cultures have a strong bond. It is to be noted that *Indian cultural society strongly DOES tie in with Sanatana dharma which just considers your "Righteous Duty" (support and serve nature, life and spiritual realization) a.k.a Dharma as your only religion.* Hence there is nothing like "Caste" component here which is a European practice altogether. Kindly understand this 🙏 Do visit our lovely and beautiful nation, live the life of an Indian, engage in our culture and traditions and then decide. As per the Hindu scriptures you are already Dharmic because you are fulfilling your everday duty. What more is needed to follow Dharma ? Nature doesn't separate based on skin color or personal culture ! That is Sanatana Dharma. Jai SiyaaRam Jai Anjaneya 🙏🕉🛕🐚🌿🪔☀🚩
Manusmriti IV-78 to 81
*A Shudra is unfit of receive €ducation. The upper varnas should not impart €ducation or give advice to a Shudra.* It is not necessary that the Shudra should know the laws and codes and hence need not be taught. Violators will go to as amrita h€||.
To be hindu you just respect nature, do good Karma. That's it. We all human born in Sanatan Dharma (people living undivided India following this way of sanatan culture called hindu). Live life freely enjoy life do no harm enjoy nature enjoy festival... That is sanatan hindu dharma.
@@dhardhirdruha1654 Could you kindly cite the copy of Manusmriti you are referring to or the Online website you are copying this from because the "€" symbol instead of "E" is a dead giveaway that you are copying this from a source that is questionable/totally false.
What is Catholicism, Protestantism, etc etc and 45,000+ plus denomination in Christianity? They dont go to each others church, curse each other to hell and killed each other for centuries. So in Islam, Shia, sunni, ahmadiya etc etc who again kill each others even today? Caste has not killed even 1% of what these two religions have done, yet only Hinduism is targetted.
Because Abrahamic religions are new age religions and very political, those are a much better fit for modern western society than anything Dharmic. You can see this trend especially in the UK with the toleration of Islam by "liberal" groups which is just oxymoronic.
@@GERMANUS618 lol don't make us laugh, don't tell me Islam is a better fit for modern day than Hindu or Buddhist countries. The best countries tend to be Buddhist/spiritual or Christian countries where Christianity is declining
No, we don't support Anjem Choudary or the Islamic plan to bring Sharia into the UK nor do we support Salafism in Germany
Sect and caste are different things.
Catholic, Protestant and orthodox tell me who is upper caste and who is lower caste 😂in Hindu Brahmin are upper caste, Dalits are lower caste 😅
You can join and leave any sect , but caste is determined by birth and it remains fixed till death ....
We miss you lakhanaji
Unfortunately discrimination happens everywhere, with or without caste system. In India ,the caste system was abolished by the Indian Constitution, but if you go to rural areas in India you will still find cases of discrimination based on caste. It is also not true, that caste system did not exist in Hinduism, it comes from there... in the beginning it was based on abilities of the people, but it became quickly hereditary.This Mr. Lakhani should have told too.
ex: Read the Mahabharata ... Karna was hiding his true identity (Kshatrya) to get teachings from Lord Parasurama (Brahmin)
Colas rice bag sure a mallu in modern day link everything to caste system and they publicise bhramin Christian matrimony
Some of the worst Christian converts in present day world!
Blame it on the UK government, why blame Hindus ?
Mr Lakhani you will. Always be missed ❤
As a Hindu.... you can go to Church or Synagogue or Mosque and deeply and sincerely accept each as a House of God. 🙂But please note, also as a Hindu, you can be an Athiest, an Agnostic.... you can worship the sun, a river, a tree, a rock etc etc. It is all accepting! Frankly, Hinduism is actually SANATAN DHARMA.... which is a CULTURE, a WAY OF LIFE, a "UMBRELLA" RELIGION, a PHILOSOPHY.........It is about your responsibilities and duties as a father or mother, as a brother or sister, as a friend, a colleague, an employee, as a boss etc etc ...... and the importance of meeting ALL your responsibilities and duties the best you can
Well said 🙏👏
Mr Eugene is speaking non sense
It's a *cultural* issue, not a religious issue. The bhagvad gita did not mention any hereditary caste system, as he said, it's based on the ability of the individual, not their ancestry.
It is not even a "cultural" issue. The Colonials played their divide and rule well over 150 years of their stay in India, divided the society based on "Casta" which was a European construct, introduced that word in our dictionary, introduced "dowry" system via British educated Indians, starved off and killed our ancestors, looted our coffers (which they are still reluctant to repay) and left us with a whole lot of diseases and economically driven misery. This is the TRUTH. You can search for it everywhere. As for what you are suggesting "cultural" - there are chauvinists everywhere in the world whom operate from lower levels of consciousness. Such creeps need to be taught a lesson. As per Sanatana Dharma every living being is our family and every non living being is part and parcel of Mother Nature and worthy of worship. Now I don't know whether the western dogmatic religions teach it this way but Dharma doesn't discriminate.
Yea..but in ancient civilizations, occupation was mostly hereditary, most people were trained from childhood to do their traditional family occupation..a king's son became king, a priest's son became priest, a farmer's son became farmer although there were some exceptions
@@Inner.divinity Bhagvad Gita 4.13 - The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to people’s qualities and activities.
COMMENTARY on Bhagvad Gita 4.13 :- The Vedas classify people into four categories of occupations, not according to their birth, but according to their natures. Such varieties of occupations exist in every society. Even in communist nations where equality is the overriding principle, the diversity in human beings cannot be smothered. There are the philosophers who are the communist party think-tanks, there are the military men who protect the country, there are the farmers who engage in agriculture, and there are the factory workers.
The Vedic philosophy explains this variety in a more scientific manner. It states that the material energy is constituted of three guṇas (modes): sattva guṇa (mode of goodness), rajo guṇa (mode of passion), and tamo guṇa (mode of ignorance). The Brahmins are those who have a preponderance of the mode of goodness. They are predisposed toward teaching and worship. The Kshatriyas are those who have a preponderance of the mode of passion mixed with a smaller amount of the mode of goodness. They are inclined toward administration and management. The Vaishyas are those who possess the mode of passion mixed with some mode of ignorance. Accordingly, they form the business and agricultural class. Then there are the Shudras, who are predominated by the mode of ignorance. They form the working class. This classification was neither meant to be according to birth, nor was it unchangeable. Shree Krishna explains in this verse that the classification of the Varṇāśhram system was according to people’s qualities and activities.
It's a religious issue.
The mere existence of the caste system described in the books takes the shape of the caste system hindus are criticized all over the world today.
Become a dalit one day and take your daughter to marry an upper caste Hindu. I guess you'll be happy to see the outcome.
Some Indians have a habit of blaming Europeans Nehru I mean we keep blaming the past instead of taking responsibility and driving reforms.
Gandhi saw this problem that's why he introduced the caste system.
Upper caste cows think caste system is a good thing but keep practicing it
Why do u think the guy peed on a dalit.
Why do u think a minor dalit girl was raped in rajasthan.
Why do u think dalit man was assaulted in gujrat.
Why do u think lot of these happen quite oftenly if it's just occupation based definition.
Why do u think a dalit man was made to like spit in Bihar.
Look at Colas's body language.He does not look at Lakhani.He has memorised everything and just vomiting out.
Ii have Bachelor degree in social science, and can say firmly no society can live without discrimination. .. Its inbuilt features of human society...
Lakhaniji was hero
Amazing that the bbc presenter let Eugene make broad statements without questioning the factuality of his statements
Good discussion. Hopefully these type of discussions remove injustice to our short human life and help humanity to preserve and protect our planet in s better eay. God bless.
Just because a problem exists in other countries too doesnt mean that we should ignore ours, the caste system is still high in india, despite people's effort to make it cease out of existence.
Laws of Manu are a LEGAL text not religious fyi
It's a Smriti, legal advisory similar to a Fatwa. Except they said it is to be forgotten and rewritten for the day and age. It's not Shruti, which are the permanent principles and vision of the Vedas. So neither is Manusmriti relevant nor Parasharasmriti or anything; those were guidelines for the times and ages.
@@prasvasu4217 Oh really ? Now the comparison is to "Islamic Fatwa" . MR. KINDLY CITE YOUR VERSION OF THE MANUSMRITI.
Sick of the phrase, "hereditary, hierarchical! "😢😊
Ayyo!!
Hinduism has a strong ability to reform and throw out the outdated stuff.
The class eystem of UK & Britain will die out just like the caste system which is majorly practiced in Hinduism.... although it's present in other religions too.
Glad to come across your work Mr. Jay! Great work!!!
Now I know why Eugene converted... because he could not understand hinduism... so sad... and manusmrithi... seriously...
Dr Ambedkar is lying you mean to say that
Eugene's shop will close if he does not spread these lies.
In India itself,caste discrimination has become rare.So,why does UK enact law on caste discrimination, i don't understand 🤷
I find it amazing that in today's age Indigenous people still have to defend themselves and their ancestral beliefs against attacks by colonizers, their colonized slaves and the colonizing religions which are guilty of genocide, racism , slavery and discrimination through the centuries. Thank you Mr Lakhani for standing up against the lies and distortions by this colonized slave of the western slave system.
This is hilarious because this man is talking nonsense because no one knows about Mau srimiti
We call ourselves sanatan dharma.
Eugene Colas, stop spewing your venom on a system you clearly are clueless about. You are not an authority on Hinduism, Sanatan Dharma, Brahmana or any of the concepts thereof. Not sure which silly person invited him (a total ignorant) to this topic...clearly there's a BBC agenda here which I otherwise was not willing to believe but this documentary proves me wrong!
It’s quite simple. How can you discriminate by caste if you can’t tell the caste by looking at people? I can’t tell what caste Mr. Lakhani belongs to if I want to discriminate against caste. It’s a foolish argument. Caste is used by politicians that is true for those who try to divide people.
People need reservation in getting admission in colleges, reservation in government jobs, reservation in Travelling, as well in elections. To avail these things people started SC ST OBC culture and classified themselves as low caste and get the benefits. Now when the same say themselves lower its ok but when the society says them same they feel offended like hypocrites. This is the bsse reality of caste. In few states more than 50% reservation prevails, in Bihar recently one bill passed for 75% reservation.
Benefits of reservation after tagging as low class -
Lower school fees
Ration for food - Free or subsidized rates
Free Laptop, Free Scooty
Lower passing percentage in exams with further reservation added
Reduced examination fees
Reserved seats in colleges
Reduced college fees
Waived off college fee through certain organisations
Reservation in Government Jobs
Subsidized Home at lower intestest rates
Waive off of loans
For farmers no income tax at any income
Reserved seats in polling, no other comminity even can fight
Now see these are some basic benefits, more benefits still there and then people called themselves weak.
This pink sweater had eyes on a beautiful girl and tried to marry that girl, but she came out to be different caste which pissed him off throughout life. And he sattled with an arranged marriage.
We understand his failure.
😂🎉
Eugene is a liar. Just because he converted to Christianity, he has to show Hinduism as villain.
If historically Mughals and Britishers ruled in India for over 1000 years and both are anti Brahmanishtha than how the cast based discrimination exist in India? The cast census and certification started by Britishers giving it more formal and permanently implemented in Indian society under Britishers "Divide and Rule" strategy. They didn't used this data in welfare of these cast, Many famines and pandemics killed a huge population under their rule but it didn't count as Holocaust in manipulated and biased history of West.
Brilliant answers by Jay Lakhani. We need more such bold speakers to take on HIndu-phobia.
Thank u ❤
Mr Eugene Colas, voice of "Dalits", can you explain first what and who are referred as caste of Dalits? Why are you lying it is Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Buddists and Muslims in India to treat dalits' as their slaves?
Is it not Muslims scriptures show it is Satan Lucifer who has created his slaves in human's and his prophet says of slave of Allah. Is it not the Prophet of Islam said he was visited by satan in the cave and later referred to him as Kafur?
Then I heard on TH-cam news a speaker at Bhim Army protest group announced that Dalits are of lineage of "rulers" that come from Pataal kingship of Rawan, Harnakasyap, Madhu and Kaitav, etc. It is therefore Dalit's who announced they are therefore children of Asuras that whose religion is of darkness where slavery is practiced.
Why than accuse Hindus Brahmin, Chatriya, Shudra, Vaish internal castes within each spirit and within the spirit of light and wrongly link that to Dalits religion of darkness that is who follow religion of devil?
It is Dalits who 90% do not get attacked by spirits of darkness, but all others are invisibly attacked by and discriminated by invisible rulers of Dalits so to take us all into hell. So try explaining the specific identity and realms involved that every realm sends spirits onto earth for they have powers to travel to earth.
Slavery as a result of such abuse happened ever since Kaal or Lucifer came on earth surface 5080 years ago. and was the practice of Rome, and UK prior to and after Jesus Christ 2000 years ago. Slavery via Dalits as a caste is not a Hindu practice. Every so called castes had them go without food as invaders drained all resources from India.
I've observed that upon my initial interactions with Brahmin individuals both in India and outside, they frequently inquire about my surname and dietary preferences from a vegetarian perspective. They promptly share their own Brahmin surnames, seemingly attempting to discern my caste affiliation. While their intentions may not be harmful, I can't help but perceive this as a subtle way of indicating their caste and ensuring interaction within their own group. This reflects a persisting notion that Brahmins consider themselves distinct (or perhaps superior) and prefer to associate with those of their own caste.
Furthermore, if you maintain contact with such individuals for other reasons, they tend to bring up the subject of caste and engage in conversations revolving around it.
It may not be visible these days as Jay is saying, but the mentality is not completely gone. It's essential for this community to initiate an internal shift in mindset.
If this is happening it is cultural, and not because of anything intrinsic in being a Brahmin or a Hindu.
How "many" "Brahmin" individuals have you met with to get to this unfortunate generalization ?
In Modern India it's difficult to Eradicate Caste System because of Government and Politicians Great Beneficiary by attracting Reservations in Government Jobs.
Eugene left Hinduism for a better life. Huh and then he reslizes people treat him like sh** anyway. So he has to blame something for his own deficiencies.
My family background "peasants"
Come under shudra varna & I am proud of varna n my caste.. Even though caste not present in hindu scriptures.we r connected to it
It is only connected because your predecessors did a particular jobs at that point on time ... Like a particular Company e.g BT that you may have worked in which connected you with other people at a point on time in your life
"Peasants" doesn't mean Sudra and Sudra is actually as per the Mahabharata "a tribe" not even a varna. In Gita the Varnas are divided by *Guna and Karma* not by birth. Hence your families' vocation don't place you in any varna. Always remember Maharishi Adi Kavi Valmiki was a brigand even though born to Brahmans and then became a Maharishi due to intense Tapasya. Similarly Raja Kaushika became Maharishi Vishwamitra via penance and rigorous Tapasya that gave him the title of Brahmarishi. Maharishi Krishna Dwaipayan Ved Vyasa who was the author of the Jaya Samhita/Mahabharata was born to Devi Satyavati - a boatwoman/fisherwoman yet was a Maharishi. Similarly Bhagwan Bajrangbali Sri Hanuman ji is well known as a Janeo dhaari Kshatriya even though his incarnation was in a Vaanara Kutumba/Kula (family/Lineage). So that settles the deal that what people think is 'Sudra' is not what it is as per the scriptures. Now coming to Shastras where special things have been mentioned for varnas, Brahmanas have the highest restrictions of all the varnas due to their engrossment in spirituality and literally anyone who had spiritual consciousness and bond strongly to it and proceeded towards Brahman or liberation is a Brahman. Sudras due to skill based vocations like artists of drama/theatre, sculptors, engineers/Yantravadi, writers/lekhaks etc. needn't perform those austerities as *the vocation was based completely on karma.* So a person can get to Moksha via jnyaana and that jnyaana begins with karma. So those spiritually enlightened used to be related to temple work, those skilled in warfare defended the borders, those mastered in wealth and related studies were businessmen and those who were skilled in an artform or vocation were servicemen. Even now 90% of the world is Sudra. Hardly 4 - 5 % Businessmen/Vaishya, few percent kshatriyas and 1% or less Brahmanas whom may or may not adorn the Janeo. So you needn't be proud of anything else than being a Bharatiya. *You are not connected to the European Casta system. You are connected logic and pure reason called Dharma.*
What matters is your current job. If you do service job like most it engineers, you are not a teacher not a warrior not a businessman.
Shudra basically means service providers , most people are shudras in today 's world ..
@@user-hgfg65 That's it 🙏 Thanks for summarizing it.
Probably for the last 19 years he has been going around telling people his caste and demanding special privileges and perhaps not getting it so very upset!!
"Hindu God is called brahmana". 😂😂😂
In old days missionaries at least used to study their opponents.
There is no caste in hindutva. Read hindu scripture
many things practiced by Hindus are not in hindu scriptures
Jay Ji Rocks 🙏🙏🚩🚩
I am discriminated by many people every day but i know how to handle. People can discriminate based on religion, colour and height .....
Caste system still existing in minds of people In UK.
To verify please collect husband and wife caste details.
Majority of them belongs to the similar caste .
citizens in india uses various modes of transportation to reach different destinations, ill-behaved co-passengers are a concern than caste. only our constitution guarantees the rights & duties of every citizen
All Lakhani uttered was 'hereditary and hierarchical* ...his BP was unnecessarily high, and showed how much he was at loss of words.
Seems like you got BP raised after hearing the actual truth, 😂,
Its about time Hindus set the record straight..No more turning away or ignoring their nonsense....Regardless who it is!
शास्त्र नहीं उठाओगे तो संस्कृति खो दोगे।
और शस्त्र नहीं उठाओगे तो देश खो दोगे
यतो धर्मः ततो जयः | इसका मतलब है "जहाँ धर्म है वहाँ जय (जीत) है।
धर्म -" पवित्रता, दान,तप ,श्रद्धा ,गुरुसेवा ,क्षमा ,दया ,विज्ञान ,विनय और सत्य के आचरण का नाम धर्म है ।
सनातन धर्म की जय हो ।
सनातन धर्म के शत्रुओं का नाश हो ।
सनातन धर्म के मानने वालों में एकता हो ।
सनातन धर्म के मानने वालों का कल्याण हो ।
हर हर महादेव ।
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Sweater guy just spitting lie.
Kudos to you for debating this issue🙏 It’s not so much an issue in western countries even thought you do find racism, classism, elitism in the West. However, it’s still a significant issue depending on where you are located in India and as you rightly pointed out it’s slowly fading away. I think it’s high time we should change all of these outsider names for our country and it’s mass religion to Bharat and Sanathana Dharma!
cchristainity promotes sslavery and also promote ssuicide as they follow jjesus who himself committed ssuicide for the ssin of others what a nonsense ideology plus jjesus believe that earth is flat .....
Where is the issue ? Could you point out ONE "casteist" incident in India in the past 100 years ??
Caste is the true face of hinduism
Just like murdering, raping, torturing and converting innocent people true faces of Christianity and Islam?
I have to be honest, some Hindus and Sikhs definitely do still have very unfortunate casteist attitudes and behaviours even in countries like Canada, America, and the UK. I would definitely not say it is a nonexistent problem. Though, just because some individual Hindus might act poorly, that doesn’t necessarily reflect or condemn all of Hinduism.