Why does it matter? I would've hated if Noct and Luna were all mushy gushy the whole game. I liked their professional relationship. But clearly no one likes what I like about this game.
@@thephoenix6237 I wouldn't mind a male and female having a professional relationship in a videogame, even if they were set up to have an arranged marriage. That's not the way the story is set up though.
Noctis69 Something You mean like fighting Ifrit to stop him from destroying humanity or catching a meteor that would have probably done a lot of damage? That kind of shit? Oh that’s right they’re some how evil tyrants because being a chosen one isn’t all wonderful being king an shit. Last time I checked the Bible messiah had an agonizing death. It’s usually not fun being the chosen one. Ask Liu Kang
At 56:46, I love the thought of Ardyn just deciding to take a little break to read a magazine while in the middle of causing mass mayhem in the city. Thank you, Square Enix
I wanted to stop at that lovely moment and scroll until I found a comment saying that exact thing, but I did not. It wasn’t until 1:26:40 when it happened for the second time, perfectly after Verstael’s comment, that I cracked up and just HAD to pause and scroll here. Glad I found your comment as one of the top.
@@LuckiSir Heh, Even Ardyn wants a few moments to himself between the fact of Verstael bellowing at him in his ear, and the screams of the burning Daemonified crownsguard around him.
For real. Though at the time Verstael wasn't that insane. He got a lot worse down the line. But it does paint a bad picture when Verstael is being accommodating and kind while the Lucians are simply "we're going to kill you and we don't care who or what you are. We just blindly believe you're evil and need to be killed."
@@maxredjasper55 Exactly. The supposedly evil empire saved him from captivity, brought Ardyn back to full health, gave him a personal GOD to control amd offered him a position among their ranks. And that's the most kindness Ardyn ever saw in 2000 years.
Ardyn also buys a Santa claus hat and wears it. Well, I'm playing the PC version so dunno if the santa hat is in other versions XD Now I want Ardyn to start giving presents out at winter time XD
@@SilverHunterN I actually fought Regis with the santa hat, simply just for how hilarious that would look. I really didn't care about the stats boost it would give me.
Ardyn is more a victim of fate than a evil man. At the slightest bit of moral uplift, he could've become allies with Noctis and company, but after so many stabs in the back and unwanted burdens, you could understand just what pushed him over the edge.
@@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit He was the one chosen to be the Founder King, was then betrayed by his brother, lost his love, and was then forced to take the seat of monster by the gods to try and balance out the summary disaster of him being cast into exile.
Jesus Christ now I really feel for Ardyn. Born as a king, betrayed by his own blood. Then forced upon him was sacrificial destiny where he could only get his revenge after struggling and dying. Now I kinda hate the gods.
The gods only did what they could do. The Astrals are not all-powerful. That was the only way they found to save the world. Bahamut even got to the point of telling Ardyn of his plans, something he had no obligation of doing.
Ardyn is the devil, he's not Jesus. Only Jesus is Jesus. This game does mock Jesus though but Jesus never would do anything evil like the enemy and he never has done any evil and never will. Jesus whom is the one and only true God and Creator came to earth 2000+ years ago to go to the cross to pay our sin debt in full. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death and that true and only God is JESUS! And He did all that because He loves us and wants to save us and have a relationship with us. Jesus is waiting for you to come to Him, He's the only way to Heaven, only He can save us from sin and from hell ( John 14, Romans 6:23, Luke 13:3). He won't cast you away from Himself if you come to Him. He calls us all to repentance, He loves us and wants to save us. believe and have faith in God then the Holy Spirit will come in and lead you to repent of your sins and God will forgive you of your sins and cleanse you by the blood of Jesus and you'll get born again by His Holy Spirit (John 3:3-19).
@@jesusfollowerswomenministries Hey calm down man. The Japanese don't really give a damn about religions and holy scripts. They only take cool parts from them and mix them.
What do you get when you cross a wrongfully punished man that has been betrayed by his own fate while locked away for 2 millennia that abandons him and seeing his loved one died?! I'll tell you what you get. You get what you f*cking deserve!
@@jesusfollowerswomenministries why do you feel the need to spew this unrelenting bullshit on a TH-cam video of a game? Seriously. You're why people hate Christians
Personally they should've just gone with Versus 13 and see how it would've been. I mean we know half the bros die so yeah no need to get attached to any of the characters in the half-cooked unknown companion game of FF13. At least FFXV is memorable for something.
Well I like it despite certain flaws but that's happens when ideas don't get fully fleshed out for versus 13 but overall to me I enjoyed this game alot was just a simple chill experience though I kind of wish the difficulty from duscae was here in XV
game IS a masterpiece.sure story has some holles,but nowhere near as many as people cry.ffs most of the players didnt understood the story being told in the pitioss ruins rofl.its hard to connect all of the pieces but GAME WAS A MASTERPIECE
Would've loved to see the episodes they promised us and maybe one with a perfect ending in which Noctis and Ardyn aren't fodderized for the sake of bringing peace. Would be cool to see more of Regis's past too, fighting alongside Gladio's dad and Cid. I know they made a minigame of it but still.
nawab256 It actually is in my top games. I mean, I understand it had its flaws such as very very very many wasted cool characters (Ravus, Verstael, Luna) but damn did I had a good time and had a blast playing it. Actually if one were to look at other games, every other game has wasted potentials due to time constraints and technology. I mean, for example, Skyrim was supposed to have an active civil war with large cities and it came out a disappointment but its still on my top games. My point here is, there are no perfect games. Every video game has its fair share of flaws and if you enjoyed it even with its flaws, then its a damn good game
This is the Verstael we should have gotten in the original game. He is quite competent and can't help but think he played a role in shaping current Ardyn who was vulnerable physically as well as mentally from his long imprisonment. He definitely manipulated Ardyn when before we thought Ardyn manipulated everyone in the empire. He could have easily made an interesting final villain himself if he was portrayed like this consistently. That computer summarized the history and lore of the game pretty well, like it makes you think why wasn't it so simple in the base game. I swore Ifrt was killed on Ravetough, but was just slumbering, found and put on Ice. Interesting, he could have possibly been redeemed if he didn't fall to the Scourge.
the bro trip wasn't a waste... you saw the omen trailer, that's what happens when Noctis travel alone. While they're both chosen kings, the friendship was the one differentiate Noctis from Ardyn, he matured in that trip, they have to emphasize that and bro trip is one of the way to do it.
gianna brown i mean ever other character in the game as well as the lore and story got pushed to the side to focus only the the road trip. While everything els was put in dlc or side material giving us a fractured story that will never be complete because of the other cancelled dlc And Luna WAS the biggest waste of a character in final fantasy history
@@minlow7831 hmm yeah. The way FFXV plot was portrayed was honestly flawed because they went through so many staff changes and story. But saying that Luna is the biggest waste of character is a bit too much, FF has so many female characters like her, no one bats an eye before. The way she was so secretive of everything and making everything so blurry for us in the main game by repeating "it is ordained" over and over was basically explained in Episode Ardyn. Aera made a mistake: she blurted it out to Somnus and causing a huge mess, Luna didn't. She keeps her secret no matter how it broke her heart until everything is done. Because Bahamut will have what he wants, but if she twists it by doing other things in the table, the progress there will be much more painful. Her role is important in the game, but the lack of screen time made her character doesn't show as much, she looks way more determined in Kingsglaive.
I know it's minor, but i enjoyed fighting alongside Ifrit most (like ff12 remake). I'm glad they made it that way, really 've missed this. And also after hearing all this awful stuff about Somnus, later Bahamut... well it's kinda easy to sympathize with the rebels in this episode... and fun too o.O
Somnus is so unaware that he created this monster though. The irony. All I see is that this Oracle was in with this mess anyway. She told Somnus about it and she wasn't supposed to. I think she is at fault too. Ardyn was betraied by his most importaint ones. And yet Somnus still being a jerk towards Adryn until the end. Asking for understanding like - yeah right - so easely to do when he killed a very precious person of his brother. That's a deep hatred that wont vanquish to mere "understanding".
After that ending cutscene of Noctis and Luna finally reuniting after death, Bahamut is somewhere smirking in relief for fulfilling his duty, on top of a mountain of corpses.
We need a true antihero/villain MC. Don't get me wrong traveling with noctis and his bros was a great experience in itself but it never had that moment of greatness I was hopping for. This DLC was 2 hours long and it had so much emotion, so much action and excitement that it had me invested the entire time. The main game never really did that for me.
I just bought all the dlc the other day and played the game over again with new game plus and it's truly one of my favorite games. The dlc episodes in between with there non stop story and action really help the pacing of the overall game.
True. It's when you feel that hatred and pain, the anger and frustration at everything in existence and Beyond, that the character finally becomes a "Villain". It hurts, it makes you want to scream along with him, yet you know that he shouldn't be allowed to win.
Funny you should say, Noctis was going to be more of a roguish character in Versus XIII under Nomura's direction. He would still have most of the personality we see in the final game but he would also be somewhat less restrained more willing to do what he thought was needed in a situation, causing the others to have to hold him back before he rushed into dangerous situations.
Ardyn can still do that, (probably in less hits since he only grows stronger over time) but noct was basically one with the crystal i don't think he'd be able to be corrupted
Awake Now Not sure how much attention you were paying to the first one. Tell me... what was their plan when they killed Orphan? Seems to me they just got lucky after doing not only exactly what the villain wanted, but exactly what the villain told them it wanted. Without the Deus ex Machina the fal’cie’s plan would have gone off without a hitch.
1:47:31 I noticed when Ardyn says he's a monster, the screen focuses on Bahamut's eyes and him saying pitiful creature. It looks like or implies that Bahamut is regretful or at least sorrowful at the state Ardyn is in and his self-loathing as a monster. Even he tries to reassure Ardyn that he'll get his rest and revenge when he fulfils his new role as a sacrifice after his botched destiny as King of Lucis.
@@100percentNotaBot Even Bahamut seemed to favor Ardyn as the Chosen King of Lucis rather than Somnus. It was only after Ardyn fully succumbed to the Starscourge and the Crystal rejecting him, did Bahamut repurposed Ardyn to serve as a sacrificial lamb to rid of the darkness from Eos. While allowing Ardyn the chance to get out of his misery and granted a chance to gain his revenge.
*_slow clap_* Finally, a different perspective from all the "Bahamut is evil because he sacrificed a few to save the world" type of comments! Yes, Bahamut is not evil. Anyone who says so have a very narrow perspective. He does consider sacrifices necessary though, and let's be real, in this case they were.
Christian White the ultima blade is good for just raw damage, but it’s actually kind of outclassed by the sword of the father for utility and even the orichalcum daggers due to their light damage for enemies that are weak to it later in the game. I’ve gotten the DLC stuff from the FFXIV crossover so I don’t use the orichalcum anymore, but they are still really good daggers.
Bahamut is not all-powerful, I think if he could end the Starscourge without doing what he did to Ardyn and Noctis, he would have did it. It's not that Bahamut is evil, it's just the only way he and the other Astrals found to save the world from the Starscourge.
@@Aomegeus Gods always seem to choose humans/mortals to champion them in almost every mythology both irl and works of fiction I always wonder why that is What can a mortal being do that a deity cannot?
Have FFXV had Ardyn as its "protagonist" and the plot be essentially this but more fleshed out into a 60+ hour game (with the beginning be that of 2000 years in the past), I would have bought it in a heartbeat.
story has some holles,but nowhere near as many as people cry.ffs most of the players didnt understood the story being told in the pitioss ruins rofl.its hard to connect all of the pieces but GAME WAS A MASTERPIECE
Noctis is the protagonist, Ardyn is the hero. The hero is the lead character who is in the right. The protagonist is just the POV character. They go hand in hand, but don't have to.
I totally agree. This dlc gave more backstory to Ardyn than the entire game to Noct. Even till the end it felt like Noct was just going through the motions. Ardyn lost everything. We saw a good man betrayed, go mad and attack a country for vengeance only to find out the gods he faithfully served planned all this. The worst was seeing his beloved stab him repeatedly with such an apathetic look on her face. And all this in two hrs while I still feel nothing for Noct after beating the entire game.
@@Silvamoon I feel for Noctis. Whether anyone cares or not, he actually had all the makings of a decent King, as opposed to Somnus. He was just an unfortunate victim made to play out a script written by Bahamut.
@@shacharco8797 I always figured their was clearly more to him being angry. But at the same time this wasn't originally planned and it is kind of convoluted. But Ardyn is a level 2000 boss. Probably the coolest villain in the franchise. (Or at least the most fleshed out)
I mean I feel the story is even more boring because there was never any other possible outcomes it was a meaningless thing that was dictated also the most tragic stories is in type zero and final fantasy 7
Probably hit deep that she loved Noctis who was basically a clone of Somnus and she was dying anyway thanks to her duty helping Noctis. Some wounds never heal Plus if anything was going to pull Noct into the "get your shit together bitch" role, it was that and Ardyn knew that
Ardyn is only a victim of circumstance. Despite that fact, what he did was still wrong but it's like that situation where the saying goes "he who is without sin cast the first stone".
Ardyn:I make no pretence to justify my murderous intent, but for the gods and kings to cloak their blood sacrifices beneath the veil of righteousness!? Hypocrites!! They would make themselves judge and jury? Very well then let us see how they take to my "calling" as executioner.
The voice acting in this is awesome! It's pretty awesome that Ray Chase does both Noctis and Somnus as far as parallels. Also... I can't get over Steve Blum's deep as hell voice coming out of someone that looks so much like Prompto.
And the gods being massive dicks for blessing one guy with eternal life, and then making him the sacrifical lamb to rid Eos of the scourge - thus also causing pain, suffering, and death not just to Ardyn, but to everyone and everything Ardyn directly or indirectly affected. The gods were the true villans all along.
@@TimelessOne123 it was the gods' way to rid the entire planet of the scourge. It was complex and intricate, spanning thousands of years of manipulation, a tragedy. But it did save Eos.
@@rolandaustria7926 They still could have found another way. If they were honest with everyone from the beginning, then due to how pious everyone was back then, Ardyn would have probably gladly sacrifice himself if it meant saving those he loves AND the people of Eos, and Somnus would have honored his sacrifice by immortalizing him as a martyr who saved Eos from the Scourge. But no, the gods had to turn brother against brother, get an innocent killed for NOTHING, turn the TRUE SAVIOUR OF EOS into a vengeful vessel for the Scourge, and then kill countless future innocents just so they could MAYBE save Eos in the future by, again, MANIPULATING A DESCENDANT OF SOMNUS. What if Noctis, in the end, never found the will to become the King of Lucis? Eos would have been completely and utterly fucked in more ways than one. It is a moronic plan on the gods part.
Honestly if you think about is less about the Gods being Jerkass and more about being flawed, they basic choice made this to him because would bring the "best path" to humanity. Kinda similar to some versions of Jesus Christ in Gnosticism
Pretty sure it was supposed to turn out differently but because of Aera's mistake, they had to make Ardyn into a bad guy. Ardyn was supposed to take the throne and became the king of light to save his people. Aera told it to Somnus and Somnus in his envy and greed betrayed his brother. Aera got caught in the crossfire, Ardyn fell and gave way to the darkness. The plan had to change by then.
You know, it's points like this where I really have to hand it to developers in really making the audience question religion and gods, as well as sacrifice for the sake of others, in ways such as this. How there will be at least one character who sacrifices a lot for the better good, if not for the gods, to not only to be shunned by said gods, but by those said character sacrificed for to protect or help.
Blank 30 the Greek pantheon was cruel... the Roman pantheon was cruel... most religions posed their God’s as cruel so no it’s not brainwashing but a story telling device most likely.... brainwashing would be if the game had dialogue presenting arguments for why religion is bad in general.
that's not new thing you got roman's god and greek's god , all of their story exist in order to establishing our current situation is true. i mean who would have buy show that tell you that some religion is true? it's just create controversy and deemed as sunday preach. and People didn't want sunday preach
Even the sound acting kinda suck. The side characters sounds weird. Even Ardyn's wife sounds suck. SHE'S ONE OF THE IMPORTANT GEAR THAT MOVES THE STORY! WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?!
Damn, this just proves how much potential Ardyn had as a character, and to be honest even a lot of the other characters. Don't get me wrong FF15 is a good game even with its many flaws, but given more time it could have been something truly amazing to behold. Rip episode Noctis are possible good ending. (PS. that Ardyn laugh at the end gave me serious Joker vibes which I loved!)
@@cloudsopowera6248 wooohooo. Can't wait to read a translated version of a book that isn't even getting a Western release instead of playing the DLC they so lovingly cancelled. To be clear i'm not being sour towards you, just the fact that we are left with a novel instead of what was promised.
@@IAmKry on the bright(?) side, the narrative of most DLC's was awful, except for Ignis. Maybe the novel can flesh the ending more than the DLC would have . The cancelation was still a dick move from Square tho...
No - FF XV the best Final Fantasy ever made, will live on forever with new enhanced graphics effects like Nvidia grass shader and improved graphics/rendering distances on PC again in a few months, well I hope our beloved fennec Carbuncle will be there too because there was no FFXV Platinum demo on PC to unlock that cute little squirrel/fennec spirit. Oh and I bet that Square Enix will bestow another great FFXV DLC upon us this year ;) I hope it`s the Lunafreya DLC, because "A fate worse than death" makes me very curious.
@@Fenrir-Afri Like I said, he hasn't gotten one real victory. He beats an ultros cameo... *slow clap* Who does seem more hype in the game (A king's tale) is Clarus, since he was trash in kingsglaive.
This is probably one of my favourite parts of the whole game. I loved ardyn as a character and it's amazing to know something more about his motivation and about the game's lore as well. The only improvement they could have made is to add one or two other guardians, to face always the same two is a bit repetitive
I find it interesting how each battle theme for the DLC is a different genre Gladio: Metal Prompto: Electronic/Techno Ignis: Orchestra Ardyn: Rap And I can imagine the other three would be Aranea: Alternative (specifically Female vocals) Lunafreya: Pop Noctis: Rock
While the gods are terrible in their way of destroying the demons it has some poetry to it. Ardyn the kind and devout though was chosen by the crystal in fact became the darkness that no other could withstand and though he suffered immensely for this he saved humanity by becoming the source for which demons dwelled though not by choice and…his end meant his saving of the world as originally he wanted to save lives not take them and yet his revenge could still be gained through the ending of the bloodline but not immediate and not by his hand. He’s definitely my favorite character in the series.
It would have been so awesome to play in the past as a younger more determined Ardyne, where you help the people do the tasks of the gods, help your brother and fight off a massive hoard of daemons and heal so many people only to end where you get betrayed by everyone you love and your brother takes the throne that was supposed to be given to you, the gods abandoned you, and the people are afraid and despise you. This would have given the us a new perspective on why Ardyne absolutely hates everyone!
@@xiles8963 The man who wronged him died ages ago, the people Adyn was hurting in the present day had nothing to do with his misfortune. I understand Ardyn's pain, but that doesn't make it his actions right.
He is Wicked. The People Who Did Him Wrong Are Long Gone.. He Could Of Had Payback in Different Way if He Proved To To His Brother's Bloodline(Noctis) that he was Worthy and Exposed What His Brother Did.
He is wicked. True, the man that cast him into a fallen savior is unjust- but he died eons ago. He snapped and finally killed many of innocents' lives and brought the world to into darkness. That's all done in the name of revenge. He's mad, he's also disproportionate to his retribution. He vowed to destroy what his brother had built by destroying ornaments around the city all while giggling and sarcastically remarking. And again... While killing innocents. He's wicked. But no doubt, he's sympathetic as a villain.
What bugs me is that when in earlier games of the franchise you would dispose of the gods who make humans suffer such in FF XIII, in this title they actually all got what they wanted. Bahamut's plan goes exactly as plannet and Ardyn as well as Noctis are just his chess pieces. And after all of this, he still lurks out there to shape the destiny of humankind. It's actually very unsatisfying...
It's very satisfying because the whole point of ardyns sacrifice and death is to end the demonic disease which takes root in Ardyn since he absorbed so many of them.
The novel sorts that matter out by going back on the fabla nova crystallis like storytelling. Those are the type 0 games and FFXIII. Kinda sad that it was removed from it and changed story story because of China but a least it got some aspects of it back.
I'm surprised no one is talking about how the screams from the demonifying insomnian soldiers sound.. I love how you hear their last moments as they quickly convert into a more demonic scream.
Actually, it seemed pretty obvious that ardyn was more like a vessel for darkness. In game, it was told that everything was predetermined and so both roles of Ardyn and Noctis. It was clear that Ardyn was ready to accept his fate (it can be seen when he suffers from defeat by Noctis). Developers just had to show that and so did they. It can be also said that Ardyn could see in Noctis himself as they both had to sacrifice their lives, they are victims of fate. This understanding doesn't seem to have been shown but still the ending of FFXV we got is satisfying for me. So, to sum up, we got Ardyn as someone who had to collect all the darkness, Noctis who had to collect all the light in his ring to destroy darkness. And Somnus and Aera who knew what destiny Ardyn was meant to carry. It is also interesting that Bahamuth could easily interrupt Ardyn but in the main story he did nothing to help (again - everything is predetermined). There are also lots of people who say that Bahamuth is antagonist but it seems that there is no clear who is the enemy. Bahamuth is a goddess and he does not care about emotions (he did say that the end of Somnus' kin will come to an end and so Ardyn will get what he wanted like he did not even care). For Bahamuth it was significant to get rid of Starscourge and nothing more.
I still applaud the performance of the One True King and i truly believe he deserved that throne more than any of his brother's line. Take a bow, King Ardyn!
Albeit suffering a great loss, in the end Noctis and Ardyn got what they both wanted. Noctis eradicating the starscourge, while Ardyn succeeded in wiping out the Lucian bloodline.
Really? And here I thought Noctis wanted to save his kingdom, and other than that just have a decent life. Noctis never cared about ridding the world of starscourge, at no point during his story is that ever a goal. Helping his people, being their king, helping make life better for them: those were things he wanted, defeating the empire that was causing suffdring. Instead, everything was destroyed and 99% of the entire worlds population was killed, Noctis got to kill himself and Ardyn. I wouldn't say either got what they wanted. Ardyn never wanted any of it in the first place but unlike Noctis he didn't unquestioningly lie down and do the Gods bidding even when it was evil. If he was going to do evil, he was going to do it for his own goals, not the Gods. At least he kept his dignity, unlike Noctis, but he hardly got what he wanted; what he wanted was never to be betrayed and cursed in the first place.
@@sonyabelmontfarenheght1189 When he kills her, a friend of mine said it was not merely contempt. I know this prologue is actually after the base game but then they tied it in pretty well. Aera also wanted him to be happy and cured. It was TOO much for him. And, killing her, I always feel was 2 birds with one stone. Mercy but also the hate he feels for Somnus's lineage personified. As Somnus did the same to him. In all honesty and truth, FFXV seems more about a game on Ardyn than about Noctis. I mean we have Ardyn as a fully fleshed character who starts a hero and turns into an antagonist/villain. But I mean I always felt the gods messed up and they just made Noctis and Ardyn pawns. This is similar to why Lightning and the others get angry at the gods in FFXIII. I just don't like Ardyn suffering for nothing. Like a very literal and mean version of Jesus like figure dying for people's sins in the worst, way imaginable.
I loved FFXV, just wish it was all well and put together before it got released. But another side of me would of liked to see Ardyn as the protagonist, and the whole game be about him. His story was tragic, screwed by everyone, and basically told this is what we have for you and it’s absolute.
There is a specific reason for that. The game was recorded originally in Japanese, and the English had to be redubbed. When you redub, you can't have more than one voice actor in the booth at the same time, and you can't mix a lot of other sounds in quite as well, because the main focus is on getting the dub to fit the scene that has already been made. That's why, despite the main game having a major emphasis on the character relationships (and the voice actors did a decent enough job), you never really feel it that they are together. Because they literally weren't.
@@TheLastWanderingBard I would agree with you there cept the fact this is a game company. They have all the files needed to swap out the voices with the correct sounding surroundings.
Ardyn is one of two exceptions along with Vergil that break the joke where you defeat the final boss of a game and unlocking them as a playable character, albeit weaker than what you have faced against.
Thanks Boss for making this vid. TO be honest this episode just changed my idea of the hero of it. Im 1000 percent with Ardyn. To hell with Behamut, Somnus and the city of insomnia. I know exactly how Ardyn feels. Betrayed and broken and only anger and dark to be your friend. I know that others are out there who feel the same. As oppose to the "King of Light" who drives around having a good time and jerking off to food and fish. Sorry Ardyn that your own family fucked you dude. May you find peace at the end of this story.
Yeah, but like Ishgard of FFXIV's present era, those people aren't even aware of the betrayal save for the royalty. The City of Insomnia and its people weren't the problem and shouldn't be punished for the sins of their fathers.
@@astrealbrizbee9815 Im just upset on how the royal guard could just shoot on sight. Guy has been in solitary for over 2 millennia and no one wants to talk to him, not only that hes not a threat untill you make him one.
@@Saltymedpac8008 To be fair, Noctis got fucked over by the god to, technically the whole Lucis family blood line did. If any thing, blame the gods. Noctis was born go basically give his life to undo everything Ardyn did. He was born to give his life to bring the light back into the world and Ardyn was born to plunge the world into darkness and then be slain by Noctis. Noctis had to do the job that will end the Lucis family blood line, who were only formed just to do what the gods tell them to. Really shows you how just like in real life, how little control you have over your life in the face of a god. The gods essentially played chess with these people and they were basically like "Eh...Deal with it".
I had never seen this. This was really sad. He was betrayed in an extreme way and never got so much as an apology. "I dare not ask your forgiveness but hope you can fine repose"!? After Aera died, he lost it. Ardyn wasn't a monster, betrayal made him into one.
If someone is interested, there's a novel where Ardyn and Noctis realize Bahamut is the true asshole here and join forces to defeat him. It was supposed to be a DLC alternative ending (like the one in Episode Ignis) but it was canceled
Less than 10 minutes in, and Ardyn already got more romance that Noct did during his entire game.
If only square didn't screw us out of the happy ending we could have seen it.
Right?
@Jude Boon everyone died
Why does it matter? I would've hated if Noct and Luna were all mushy gushy the whole game. I liked their professional relationship. But clearly no one likes what I like about this game.
@@thephoenix6237 I wouldn't mind a male and female having a professional relationship in a videogame, even if they were set up to have an arranged marriage.
That's not the way the story is set up though.
So ardyn was screwed by everybody and then told it was "destiny".
Yeah its just that plain but so f'ing twisted
Don’t ya just wanna knock those God’s in their teeth for the shut they pull?
Noctis69 Something You mean like fighting Ifrit to stop him from destroying humanity or catching a meteor that would have probably done a lot of damage? That kind of shit? Oh that’s right they’re some how evil tyrants because being a chosen one isn’t all wonderful being king an shit.
Last time I checked the Bible messiah had an agonizing death.
It’s usually not fun being the chosen one. Ask Liu Kang
@@boogiedown7608 I think almost every chosen one in every story meets a tragic death. IT's not a job I would want.
@@Fabian6980 you're in for a massive revelation when the english version of the novel releases ma dude
At 56:46, I love the thought of Ardyn just deciding to take a little break to read a magazine while in the middle of causing mass mayhem in the city. Thank you, Square Enix
I wanted to stop at that lovely moment and scroll until I found a comment saying that exact thing, but I did not. It wasn’t until 1:26:40 when it happened for the second time, perfectly after Verstael’s comment, that I cracked up and just HAD to pause and scroll here. Glad I found your comment as one of the top.
Taking a break from hitting the crisis at its core,
@@LuckiSir Heh, Even Ardyn wants a few moments to himself between the fact of Verstael bellowing at him in his ear, and the screams of the burning Daemonified crownsguard around him.
@@RosemarieCatSarahR Best part is, during that one, he has a can of Ebony next to him on the bench. Ignis would approve.
Yes it was one of the best things in thw whole game
"Off my chair, jester. The king sits there."
Used to think this was one of the coolest quotes, but now I know Ardyn's story, it stung like hell.
You know Ardyn's story is dark when you realize that the first person who treated him with (relative) kindness in the present, is an insane scientist.
Bro- no!!!
For real. Though at the time Verstael wasn't that insane. He got a lot worse down the line. But it does paint a bad picture when Verstael is being accommodating and kind while the Lucians are simply "we're going to kill you and we don't care who or what you are. We just blindly believe you're evil and need to be killed."
@@maxredjasper55 Exactly. The supposedly evil empire saved him from captivity, brought Ardyn back to full health, gave him a personal GOD to control amd offered him a position among their ranks. And that's the most kindness Ardyn ever saw in 2000 years.
@@dominiquesnijders2655 that would be the kindest thing. Who doesn't want a God turned servant and a position of power as their birthday present?
@@maxredjasper55 Ikr
THE CITY IS ATTACKED!!!!
While Ardyn is enjoying his magazine on a public bench.
Savage and classy 😅👌
Ardyn and his pervent sense of humor...
Classic Ardyn.
Ardyn also buys a Santa claus hat and wears it. Well, I'm playing the PC version so dunno if the santa hat is in other versions XD
Now I want Ardyn to start giving presents out at winter time XD
@@SilverHunterN I actually fought Regis with the santa hat, simply just for how hilarious that would look. I really didn't care about the stats boost it would give me.
Ardyn is more a victim of fate than a evil man. At the slightest bit of moral uplift, he could've become allies with Noctis and company, but after so many stabs in the back and unwanted burdens, you could understand just what pushed him over the edge.
The bloodline is cursed
@@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit He was the one chosen to be the Founder King, was then betrayed by his brother, lost his love, and was then forced to take the seat of monster by the gods to try and balance out the summary disaster of him being cast into exile.
@@sockonheadedboy673 Ik.
The Dawn of the Future novel actually made that happen. Ardyn joins Noctis to defeat Bahamut, could have been such a good DLC
@@fraenznoa5508 well now I'm gonna buy this book 😂🎉 thank you
Jesus Christ now I really feel for Ardyn. Born as a king, betrayed by his own blood. Then forced upon him was sacrificial destiny where he could only get his revenge after struggling and dying. Now I kinda hate the gods.
Welcome to JRPG werw the gods are even worse than the Greek gods
I'm so sorry for everything on what happened to Ardyn. All because of those damn gods!!
Now i know why kratos hate gods so much
@@mikhaelangelo4418 Where is Kratos when you need one?
The gods only did what they could do. The Astrals are not all-powerful. That was the only way they found to save the world. Bahamut even got to the point of telling Ardyn of his plans, something he had no obligation of doing.
So Ardyn is essentially what happens when Jesus becomes the Joker
Ardyn is the devil, he's not Jesus. Only Jesus is Jesus. This game does mock Jesus though but Jesus never would do anything evil like the enemy and he never has done any evil and never will. Jesus whom is the one and only true God and Creator came to earth 2000+ years ago to go to the cross to pay our sin debt in full. His sacrifice was sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death and that true and only God is JESUS! And He did all that because He loves us and wants to save us and have a relationship with us. Jesus is waiting for you to come to Him, He's the only way to Heaven, only He can save us from sin and from hell ( John 14, Romans 6:23, Luke 13:3). He won't cast you away from Himself if you come to Him. He calls us all to repentance, He loves us and wants to save us. believe and have faith in God then the Holy Spirit will come in and lead you to repent of your sins and God will forgive you of your sins and cleanse you by the blood of Jesus and you'll get born again by His Holy Spirit
(John 3:3-19).
@@jesusfollowerswomenministries Sadly, I'm a Nihilist.
@@jesusfollowerswomenministries Hey calm down man. The Japanese don't really give a damn about religions and holy scripts. They only take cool parts from them and mix them.
What do you get when you cross a wrongfully punished man that has been betrayed by his own fate while locked away for 2 millennia that abandons him and seeing his loved one died?! I'll tell you what you get. You get what you f*cking deserve!
@@jesusfollowerswomenministries why do you feel the need to spew this unrelenting bullshit on a TH-cam video of a game? Seriously. You're why people hate Christians
Worth knowing Prompto is a clone of Verstael. Which is why younger Verstael looks like prompto
Me 2
The voice throws me off though
Takes notes
I noticed that when I saw him and ik why he looks like him, its in Episode Prompto
@@elliemellie4337 Se supone que los cadentes del imperio que llevan armadura son tambien clones de Promto. Por eso le es dificil dispararles
- Are you enjoying your stay?
- ……..no
Cracks me up every time
Sounds like me talking to room service at my 1 star hotel
Hands down one of the franchise's best antagonists
Ardyn: "Alright, let's have it then! You're Greatest Final Fantasy Villian, against all that I have become!"
You high?
Hands down one of the franchise's worst games
Are you stupid?
@@mirkon.1816 Sadly, but, that does not take merit from Ardyn, in my opinion.
The look on his face when he knew he was supposed to be the chosen king ..😭😭
39:51
@Celia Chester why?
@@andreabuondonno6904 Bahamut favors his younger brother, as his facial features resembling Bahamut himself, Noctis too.
@@andreabuondonno6904 Because Bahamut in XV is an asshole,simple fact
@@thoaihoquang1578 UGH!!!
With 3 more years of polishing FFXV could've been a masterpiece.
How many years did they work on this in the first place? 8? 10?
Whole storyline needs to be reworked if ya ask me
Personally they should've just gone with Versus 13 and see how it would've been.
I mean we know half the bros die so yeah no need to get attached to any of the characters in the half-cooked unknown companion game of FF13. At least FFXV is memorable for something.
Well I like it despite certain flaws but that's happens when ideas don't get fully fleshed out for versus 13 but overall to me I enjoyed this game alot was just a simple chill experience though I kind of wish the difficulty from duscae was here in XV
Lord doober de la goober Only like 4 years actually since
game IS a masterpiece.sure story has some holles,but nowhere near as many as people cry.ffs most of the players didnt understood the story being told in the pitioss ruins rofl.its hard to connect all of the pieces but GAME WAS A MASTERPIECE
What Bahamut did to Lucis bloodline is like what Square did to us supporters of the game.
Damn, I can see it!
Didn’t particularly support the game, but please explain.
After all the DLC it stands to reason that this game is actually pretty good now. For some it's top 5
Would've loved to see the episodes they promised us and maybe one with a perfect ending in which Noctis and Ardyn aren't fodderized for the sake of bringing peace. Would be cool to see more of Regis's past too, fighting alongside Gladio's dad and Cid. I know they made a minigame of it but still.
nawab256 It actually is in my top games. I mean, I understand it had its flaws such as very very very many wasted cool characters (Ravus, Verstael, Luna) but damn did I had a good time and had a blast playing it.
Actually if one were to look at other games, every other game has wasted potentials due to time constraints and technology. I mean, for example, Skyrim was supposed to have an active civil war with large cities and it came out a disappointment but its still on my top games. My point here is, there are no perfect games. Every video game has its fair share of flaws and if you enjoyed it even with its flaws, then its a damn good game
at 1:48:52 - Aera: only a fool would defy such opposition
(dlc) Ignis: hold my beer
*I'm the best character*
best character intensifies
Don't you mean "Hold my Ebony"
@@sleep8529 give this man a kiss
Best comment yet
This is the Verstael we should have gotten in the original game. He is quite competent and can't help but think he played a role in shaping current Ardyn who was vulnerable physically as well as mentally from his long imprisonment. He definitely manipulated Ardyn when before we thought Ardyn manipulated everyone in the empire. He could have easily made an interesting final villain himself if he was portrayed like this consistently.
That computer summarized the history and lore of the game pretty well, like it makes you think why wasn't it so simple in the base game. I swore Ifrt was killed on Ravetough, but was just slumbering, found and put on Ice. Interesting, he could have possibly been redeemed if he didn't fall to the Scourge.
The original base game wasted everything and everyone in the game just to make the focus on the stupid bro road trip
the bro trip wasn't a waste... you saw the omen trailer, that's what happens when Noctis travel alone. While they're both chosen kings, the friendship was the one differentiate Noctis from Ardyn, he matured in that trip, they have to emphasize that and bro trip is one of the way to do it.
gianna brown i mean ever other character in the game as well as the lore and story got pushed to the side to focus only the the road trip. While everything els was put in dlc or side material giving us a fractured story that will never be complete because of the other cancelled dlc
And Luna WAS the biggest waste of a character in final fantasy history
@@minlow7831 hmm yeah. The way FFXV plot was portrayed was honestly flawed because they went through so many staff changes and story. But saying that Luna is the biggest waste of character is a bit too much, FF has so many female characters like her, no one bats an eye before.
The way she was so secretive of everything and making everything so blurry for us in the main game by repeating "it is ordained" over and over was basically explained in Episode Ardyn. Aera made a mistake: she blurted it out to Somnus and causing a huge mess, Luna didn't. She keeps her secret no matter how it broke her heart until everything is done. Because Bahamut will have what he wants, but if she twists it by doing other things in the table, the progress there will be much more painful.
Her role is important in the game, but the lack of screen time made her character doesn't show as much, she looks way more determined in Kingsglaive.
Cylus O'Brady sad he became an on rail shooter boss at episode prompto
I actually enjoyed this game a lot, mainly because of Ardyn. Pretty cool villain, quite smart too.
Why do u think I want him in dissidia NT
I know it's minor, but i enjoyed fighting alongside Ifrit most (like ff12 remake). I'm glad they made it that way, really 've missed this. And also after hearing all this awful stuff about Somnus, later Bahamut... well it's kinda easy to sympathize with the rebels in this episode... and fun too o.O
Same here, I loved this game more after playing this DLC, and Ardyn is going to be one of my all-time favorite villain ever.
Somnus is so unaware that he created this monster though. The irony. All I see is that this Oracle was in with this mess anyway. She told Somnus about it and she wasn't supposed to. I think she is at fault too. Ardyn was betraied by his most importaint ones. And yet Somnus still being a jerk towards Adryn until the end. Asking for understanding like - yeah right - so easely to do when he killed a very precious person of his brother. That's a deep hatred that wont vanquish to mere "understanding".
But i stil dont understanding how cant the summoner monster becaming a god himself are there a slave for mandkind is this a joke ???😑
So, everyone who caused craziness in this story was taking orders from the gods, which puts and odd twist on Ardyn killing Luna.
Finally some sensibility. Yes, Somnus is to blame for Ardyn's descent into monstrosity, even if that too was part of the plan.
@Stephan Salvatore getting rid of the starscourge
@@Luxai I think way forward novel said Bahamut was then going to exterminate humanity to make the world pure again
After that ending cutscene of Noctis and Luna finally reuniting after death, Bahamut is somewhere smirking in relief for fulfilling his duty, on top of a mountain of corpses.
We need a true antihero/villain MC. Don't get me wrong traveling with noctis and his bros was a great experience in itself but it never had that moment of greatness I was hopping for. This DLC was 2 hours long and it had so much emotion, so much action and excitement that it had me invested the entire time. The main game never really did that for me.
I just bought all the dlc the other day and played the game over again with new game plus and it's truly one of my favorite games. The dlc episodes in between with there non stop story and action really help the pacing of the overall game.
True. It's when you feel that hatred and pain, the anger and frustration at everything in existence and Beyond, that the character finally becomes a "Villain". It hurts, it makes you want to scream along with him, yet you know that he shouldn't be allowed to win.
Funny you should say, Noctis was going to be more of a roguish character in Versus XIII under Nomura's direction. He would still have most of the personality we see in the final game but he would also be somewhat less restrained more willing to do what he thought was needed in a situation, causing the others to have to hold him back before he rushed into dangerous situations.
Yeah now we got that in FF Origins but it sucked aaaasssss
I hate that I have to agree with you.
Ardyn is so overpowered, I love it. Imagine if Noct had to fight him like this, five successive hits and Noct is over.
Ardyn can still do that, (probably in less hits since he only grows stronger over time) but noct was basically one with the crystal i don't think he'd be able to be corrupted
Noctis has shown to be basically difficult to kill. So I don't know about that couple or more hits thing.
idk man, that noctis boss in episode ignis was no joke
now imagine if noctis wasnt injured fatally as a child ☠
I love how Somnus' battle theme includes Ardyn's theme and the main theme of the game: "Somnus"... which shouldn't be a surprise.
I'm just upset my name is going to be used more often now
We finally have a chance to play in Insomnia lol
What could have been.
Ouch
unfortunally 3 years too late and at the wrong point of the game. shouldve been from the start when noctis departed.
Sadly it gets rippled by a rap song
Not even that, if you pay attention is the same area that Emoctis plays with his boyfriends.
I see Ardyn took a page out of FF13’s book. “I’ll defy the gods... by doing exactly as they say expecting a different outcome.”
Yea really they say “spread darkness so the king will kill you one day”. And he’s like “NO I’ll spread darkness and kill the king one day maybe”
1:50:02"nothing matters none of it" i can't imagine why?
Hmm...not sure ho much attention you were paying to the XIII games.
Awake Now Not sure how much attention you were paying to the first one. Tell me... what was their plan when they killed Orphan? Seems to me they just got lucky after doing not only exactly what the villain wanted, but exactly what the villain told them it wanted. Without the Deus ex Machina the fal’cie’s plan would have gone off without a hitch.
Honestly if lightning and Ardyn switched places, she'd still be fighting bahamut
1:47:31
I noticed when Ardyn says he's a monster, the screen focuses on Bahamut's eyes and him saying pitiful creature. It looks like or implies that Bahamut is regretful or at least sorrowful at the state Ardyn is in and his self-loathing as a monster. Even he tries to reassure Ardyn that he'll get his rest and revenge when he fulfils his new role as a sacrifice after his botched destiny as King of Lucis.
@@100percentNotaBot Even Bahamut seemed to favor Ardyn as the Chosen King of Lucis rather than Somnus. It was only after Ardyn fully succumbed to the Starscourge and the Crystal rejecting him, did Bahamut repurposed Ardyn to serve as a sacrificial lamb to rid of the darkness from Eos. While allowing Ardyn the chance to get out of his misery and granted a chance to gain his revenge.
Then why would the gods reject Ardyn, I mean Bahamut had to have had at least *_SOME INFLUENCE_* over the others?
@@LuckiSir Only rejected him when Ardyn had the Star Scourge to fully take over his entire being in the Episode Ardyn Prologue animation.
Sweetheart,gods never regret for anything.
*_slow clap_*
Finally, a different perspective from all the "Bahamut is evil because he sacrificed a few to save the world" type of comments!
Yes, Bahamut is not evil. Anyone who says so have a very narrow perspective. He does consider sacrifices necessary though, and let's be real, in this case they were.
Ardyn's laughter reminds me of how Ganondorf snapped at the end of Wind Waker.
Before promptly being stabbed in the melon
So Somnus held the Blade of the Mystic... one of my favorite royal arms just became one of my most hated...
Mine fav is the Sword of the Tall
Same brother
I quit using the arms once I upgraded the engine blade atw or whatever it was called
Christian White the ultima blade is good for just raw damage, but it’s actually kind of outclassed by the sword of the father for utility and even the orichalcum daggers due to their light damage for enemies that are weak to it later in the game. I’ve gotten the DLC stuff from the FFXIV crossover so I don’t use the orichalcum anymore, but they are still really good daggers.
Mine is Scepter of Pious, perfect for breaking appendages and give drops with just a less amount of self-recoil unlike other powerful Royal Arms.
Ardyn's laugh when he kills the illusions of Somnus and Aera at the end, that's the REAL Dancing Mad.
It’d be cool if we got a dlc royal arm from Ardyn called “Blade of the Betrayed”
Awesome idea! And have it tainted looking too
It would be cool if we find it near the stone prison
@@Ibo-b6i Aaaaand you can shadow step when equipped.
String of the Puppet.
Glaive of the Accursed.
Sword of the Sufferer.
Blade of the Savior would be a better name for it, if you ask me.
you know what they say " You die a hero or you live long enough to become a villain " yes?
Yeah- this was the literal definition of that.
Bahamut: To spread darkness is thy true calling.
Ardyn: But why?!
Bahamut: Because i'm an asshole
There's something about Ardyn attacking the city and every so often just sitting down on a bench in the open for a quick rest that gets me
Ardyn is just Dark Jesus.
Made in Heaven
That’s putting it mildly
Is that fricking racism????????
Levi Caen
No you Idjit!
He means changed, gone wrong, corrupted
@@levicaen7467 I don't understand how any of this is racist
@@firearmhyuk I was joking you guys Ardyn isn't black, he's more beige toned
Bahamut is the true villain here
Edit: Thank You for all the likes guys, this is the first time I got 1k+ likes
Seriously he's a dick.
Yeah War Gods aren't exactly the best of blokes tbh
*Will the the Gods? Pre-ordained? What nonsense! Bahamut is worse than his Brother!*
Bahamut is not all-powerful, I think if he could end the Starscourge without doing what he did to Ardyn and Noctis, he would have did it. It's not that Bahamut is evil, it's just the only way he and the other Astrals found to save the world from the Starscourge.
@@Aomegeus Gods always seem to choose humans/mortals to champion them in almost every mythology both irl and works of fiction
I always wonder why that is
What can a mortal being do that a deity cannot?
Verstael: Enjoying your stay?
Ardyn: No
Have FFXV had Ardyn as its "protagonist" and the plot be essentially this but more fleshed out into a 60+ hour game (with the beginning be that of 2000 years in the past), I would have bought it in a heartbeat.
story has some holles,but nowhere near as many as people cry.ffs most of the players didnt understood the story being told in the pitioss ruins rofl.its hard to connect all of the pieces but GAME WAS A MASTERPIECE
Yes yes so we could drive ardyn’s beloved car lol
@@sephirothgr1932 Finally - someone else overlooks the plot holes and goes for the complete story.
@@sephirothgr1932far from a master piece but I respect your opinion but people crying out about this game aren't wrong to be disappointed
Noctis is the protagonist, Ardyn is the hero. The hero is the lead character who is in the right. The protagonist is just the POV character. They go hand in hand, but don't have to.
Ardyn: *destroys the Citadel's barriers, killing multiple Crownsguard and Barrier Guardians*
Also Ardyn: 1:26:55
Ardyn was the protagonist of the game, Noctis was a side-narrative character. A shame this had to end.
I totally agree. This dlc gave more backstory to Ardyn than the entire game to Noct. Even till the end it felt like Noct was just going through the motions. Ardyn lost everything. We saw a good man betrayed, go mad and attack a country for vengeance only to find out the gods he faithfully served planned all this. The worst was seeing his beloved stab him repeatedly with such an apathetic look on her face. And all this in two hrs while I still feel nothing for Noct after beating the entire game.
@@Silvamoon I feel for Noctis.
Whether anyone cares or not, he actually had all the makings of a decent King, as opposed to Somnus. He was just an unfortunate victim made to play out a script written by Bahamut.
@@1aundulxaldin this
That shadow stepping feature so bad ass.
yup and is it me or does this story make you look differently at Ardyn?
@@shacharco8797 I always figured their was clearly more to him being angry. But at the same time this wasn't originally planned and it is kind of convoluted. But Ardyn is a level 2000 boss. Probably the coolest villain in the franchise. (Or at least the most fleshed out)
@@shacharco8797 It was obvious from when the game came our, y'all are behind in looking Ardyn differently.
it's a whole different story in hearthstone
37:24 - "What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough talk… Have at you!"
Yessss
Perfect lol
Ooooooh damn.
He's Left Hand of God. Same as Gabriel.
A fallen.
Nahuel Billiani // great call. Was that the actual sound bite from SOTN?
I think out of all the final fantasy games, this is the most tragic one
Very Shakespearean.
you havent played final fantasy type 0 right?
Then what about Crisis core? Zack's story is tragic too
I mean I feel the story is even more boring because there was never any other possible outcomes it was a meaningless thing that was dictated also the most tragic stories is in type zero and final fantasy 7
Type 0 series takes the cake in this matter I'm afraid.
Ardyn: loses his beloved to a relative. Decides to kill the beloved of said relative's descendant 2000 years later.
A good plan requires time and he has enough time
victor hoang that’s some real petty shit
Who look like copies
Probably hit deep that she loved Noctis who was basically a clone of Somnus and she was dying anyway thanks to her duty helping Noctis. Some wounds never heal
Plus if anything was going to pull Noct into the "get your shit together bitch" role, it was that and Ardyn knew that
*Ardyn in the middle of attacking Insomnia*
Ardyn: Let me read this magazine real quick.
Ardyn is only a victim of circumstance. Despite that fact, what he did was still wrong but it's like that situation where the saying goes "he who is without sin cast the first stone".
@@100percentNotaBot The game was rigged fron the start.
Ardyn:I make no pretence to justify my murderous intent, but for the gods and kings to cloak their blood sacrifices beneath the veil of righteousness!? Hypocrites!! They would make themselves judge and jury? Very well then let us see how they take to my "calling" as executioner.
Good one buddy welcome for god&demon slayer final fantsy game i be the one to test the ferst blood divine hands
The voice acting in this is awesome! It's pretty awesome that Ray Chase does both Noctis and Somnus as far as parallels. Also... I can't get over Steve Blum's deep as hell voice coming out of someone that looks so much like Prompto.
ray chase is not in the credits...
Somnus isn't played by Ray Chase though...
Imagine how great the game would be if all the DLC stories were in the main story from the start...such a shame.
even it has this, still sucks, they canceled the rest of DLCs (noct, luna, aranea).
So the entire plot is due to Aera not being able to keep her damn mouth shut
And the gods being massive dicks for blessing one guy with eternal life, and then making him the sacrifical lamb to rid Eos of the scourge - thus also causing pain, suffering, and death not just to Ardyn, but to everyone and everything Ardyn directly or indirectly affected.
The gods were the true villans all along.
He would've found out anyway
Knowig how corrupted somnus was im sure he would of forced her to talk lol im sure she knew this
@@TimelessOne123 it was the gods' way to rid the entire planet of the scourge. It was complex and intricate, spanning thousands of years of manipulation, a tragedy. But it did save Eos.
@@rolandaustria7926 They still could have found another way.
If they were honest with everyone from the beginning, then due to how pious everyone was back then, Ardyn would have probably gladly sacrifice himself if it meant saving those he loves AND the people of Eos, and Somnus would have honored his sacrifice by immortalizing him as a martyr who saved Eos from the Scourge.
But no, the gods had to turn brother against brother, get an innocent killed for NOTHING, turn the TRUE SAVIOUR OF EOS into a vengeful vessel for the Scourge, and then kill countless future innocents just so they could MAYBE save Eos in the future by, again, MANIPULATING A DESCENDANT OF SOMNUS. What if Noctis, in the end, never found the will to become the King of Lucis? Eos would have been completely and utterly fucked in more ways than one.
It is a moronic plan on the gods part.
that versus 13 reference in the beginning....Damn
Where? Mustve missed it
@@marlontaylor7032 It's the car scene with Ardyn which references the Noctis car scene heading to Lucis from the early trailers of Versus XIII.
Thought about that immediately
Its offensive...
Why did he look like a soldier in the car then became ardyn after going out?
Now I really want that alternate ending so the Jerkass Gods get to be screwed over!
It's the same ending
The "submit ending" has the same fate has this I already saw it in a TH-cam channel, so ardyn is a badass
@@tomasferreira5548 I'm talking about the scrapped DLCs ending, which will be the novel's plot
Honestly if you think about is less about the Gods being Jerkass and more about being flawed, they basic choice made this to him because would bring the "best path" to humanity.
Kinda similar to some versions of Jesus Christ in Gnosticism
@@Darkyan97 oh, ok
Gods: alright, lets vote
*Ardryne: 45%*
*Noctis: 55%*
Gods: alright, lets screw Ardyn over and have Noctis be the chosen king
I mean, Noctis got screwed over too if you think about it. His destiny was basically to sacrifice himself to undo everything Ardyn did.
@@antennaboy3383 So is Ardyn's destiny, only most of Ardyn's life is just suffering for hundreds of years.
@@RossMitchellsProfile ...I know..., everyone knows, that's the point of the story here, I am saying Noctis got screwed of as well.
Pretty sure it was supposed to turn out differently but because of Aera's mistake, they had to make Ardyn into a bad guy.
Ardyn was supposed to take the throne and became the king of light to save his people. Aera told it to Somnus and Somnus in his envy and greed betrayed his brother. Aera got caught in the crossfire, Ardyn fell and gave way to the darkness. The plan had to change by then.
I bet that 15% of that was from Shiva.
Episode Ardyn> ff15. Ardyn and Aera have a better relationship that noctis and luna ever will.
Maybe, just maybe, Noctis' and Luna's relationship wasn't meant to last long, kinda like the relationship Somnus and Aera had...
I don't know how you can say that when Episode Ardyn is apart of FFXV 😂
I feel like Episode Lunefreya would have helped that a little bit..
Everyone had better relationships than Noctis and Luna
Well damn. Maybe even Twilight is a better love story than Noct and Luna's. 😂😂🤣
You know, it's points like this where I really have to hand it to developers in really making the audience question religion and gods, as well as sacrifice for the sake of others, in ways such as this. How there will be at least one character who sacrifices a lot for the better good, if not for the gods, to not only to be shunned by said gods, but by those said character sacrificed for to protect or help.
FF series has always kinda shows religion to be dubious or out-right the bad guy so I'm not surprised. But oh boy, Ardyn's life is really sad....
Not just Square Enix doing this with the Final Fantasy franchise. But all gaming developers in general that do this, and do this well.
@@2005zhane brainwashing my friend
Blank 30 the Greek pantheon was cruel... the Roman pantheon was cruel... most religions posed their God’s as cruel so no it’s not brainwashing but a story telling device most likely.... brainwashing would be if the game had dialogue presenting arguments for why religion is bad in general.
that's not new thing you got roman's god and greek's god , all of their story exist in order to establishing our current situation is true.
i mean who would have buy show that tell you that some religion is true? it's just create controversy and deemed as sunday preach. and People didn't want sunday preach
This makes me wish Ardyn was a playable charecter in dissdia along with Noctis 🤔🤔
He needs to be.
There's literally no reason NOT to have him as one.
HighPhoenix1754 ikr! I could only imagine his interactions
Pretty sure just based on his gameplay, he'd either be a speed type like noctis or a unique type.
He totally needs to meet Lightning so they can defy Spiritus and Materia together.
It saddens me that you can really see the lack of budget in many moments. Still a great prologue for a great antagonist.
Yeah, the animation and graphics aren’t as good as the previous DLCs.
Yeah, the opening segment was fantastic, but it seems there was a downgrade by the time we enter Insomnia segment lol.
Even the sound acting kinda suck.
The side characters sounds weird.
Even Ardyn's wife sounds suck.
SHE'S ONE OF THE IMPORTANT GEAR THAT MOVES THE STORY!
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT!?!
Ridwan A the english voices just seem to be rushed. The japanese ones don‘t suffer from this issue apparently
@@NMEdiary Thank God if that's the case.
But I have to give props to Ardyn's VA.
He really chewed the scenery when he's angry or laughing maniacally.
Me: Does this mean we are going back to the beginning.
Game: No we are going way back to before the beginning
Nice.
Lion King 1 and 1/2 reference I see
Ardyn and Ifrit fighting together..overkill.
I ‘m a Subbed over Dubbed guy all the way but god damn Darin De Paul knock it out of the park. He makes JP Ardyn sounds boring by comparison.
One of the reason that interested me to like him. And now I can fully admit he's the villain anti-hero I only needed.
He also did great with reinhardt samuel hayden and revenant apex legends
Damn, this just proves how much potential Ardyn had as a character, and to be honest even a lot of the other characters. Don't get me wrong FF15 is a good game even with its many flaws, but given more time it could have been something truly amazing to behold. Rip episode Noctis are possible good ending. (PS. that Ardyn laugh at the end gave me serious Joker vibes which I loved!)
They're still doing the novel which is canon
TheGamingShadow12345 nigga who tf cares about a novel
Ardyn deserved better...a better game.
@@thessk_1: "If I hate things people like they'll think I'm cool."
He reminds me of Devil before he casted away form the kingdom of Heaven. It said that, Devil was the most truthful servant of God.
And he wanted to ascend to the throne of God. He was selfish and greedy. Ezekiel and Isaiah describe it well.
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Theres the novel comic in a month which will cover the contents of cancelled episode Aranea Lunafreya Noctis
@@cloudsopowera6248 wooohooo. Can't wait to read a translated version of a book that isn't even getting a Western release instead of playing the DLC they so lovingly cancelled. To be clear i'm not being sour towards you, just the fact that we are left with a novel instead of what was promised.
@@IAmKry I understand you.
@@IAmKry on the bright(?) side, the narrative of most DLC's was awful, except for Ignis. Maybe the novel can flesh the ending more than the DLC would have .
The cancelation was still a dick move from Square tho...
No - FF XV the best Final Fantasy ever made, will live on forever with new enhanced graphics effects like Nvidia grass shader and improved graphics/rendering distances on PC again in a few months, well I hope our beloved fennec Carbuncle will be there too because there was no FFXV Platinum demo on PC to unlock that cute little squirrel/fennec spirit. Oh and I bet that Square Enix will bestow another great FFXV DLC upon us this year ;) I hope it`s the Lunafreya DLC, because "A fate worse than death" makes me very curious.
"The tragedy of life is not death but what we let die inside of us while we live" - Norman Cousins
Main thing I learned from this game is that Regis always take's L's. Hasn't ever gotten one real victory.
Yeah you kind of feel bad for him.
Nah if you played his story (the arcadey game i forgot the title) he is also a bad ass on his youth.
@@Fenrir-Afri Like I said, he hasn't gotten one real victory. He beats an ultros cameo... *slow clap* Who does seem more hype in the game (A king's tale) is Clarus, since he was trash in kingsglaive.
Regis did fuck up Glauca in Tenebrae at the start of Kingsglaive so that surely counts
@@Fenrir-Afri yo someone actually played it too!?
This is probably one of my favourite parts of the whole game. I loved ardyn as a character and it's amazing to know something more about his motivation and about the game's lore as well. The only improvement they could have made is to add one or two other guardians, to face always the same two is a bit repetitive
1:51:25
At last
The laugh who can surpass Kefka's laugh
No
but what about Tidus?
I mean Kefka's laugh is pretty much reminding everyone of Sonic.exe at this point
@@thessk_1: Yeah insanely well done voice acting is nothing compared to at few bits of sound played every once in a while.
A laugh to surpass metal gear.
Ardyn's theme here at 47:48 sounds like a song from Persona 3 fes
EDIT: Yep the theme is done by Lotus Juice who does music for the Persona games.
Its 90% lotus juice being the god of rap that he is.
It kinda fits since Ifrit is acting as Ardyn's "Persona".
@@Heraldo_Del_Mar yup
omg I felt the same thing, literally Mass Destruction xD
I find it interesting how each battle theme for the DLC is a different genre
Gladio: Metal
Prompto: Electronic/Techno
Ignis: Orchestra
Ardyn: Rap
And I can imagine the other three would be
Aranea: Alternative (specifically Female vocals)
Lunafreya: Pop
Noctis: Rock
6:40
"-to cure people of what ails them."
Ardyn started started as a White Mage confirmed.
While the gods are terrible in their way of destroying the demons it has some poetry to it. Ardyn the kind and devout though was chosen by the crystal in fact became the darkness that no other could withstand and though he suffered immensely for this he saved humanity by becoming the source for which demons dwelled though not by choice and…his end meant his saving of the world as originally he wanted to save lives not take them and yet his revenge could still be gained through the ending of the bloodline but not immediate and not by his hand. He’s definitely my favorite character in the series.
It would have been so awesome to play in the past as a younger more determined Ardyne, where you help the people do the tasks of the gods, help your brother and fight off a massive hoard of daemons and heal so many people only to end where you get betrayed by everyone you love and your brother takes the throne that was supposed to be given to you, the gods abandoned you, and the people are afraid and despise you. This would have given the us a new perspective on why Ardyne absolutely hates everyone!
The guys with the accents were the best characters, lol. Ignis and Ardyn.
Verstael: "stop him,before he destroys everything"
Ardyn: "give me a second" ;-)
He is no wicked man, he just doing his revenge
Vengeance is an evil quality.
@@patrickpettyjr.3134 so is the people who did this to him, they're the one who made the hero becomes the villain we see now
@@xiles8963
The man who wronged him died ages ago, the people Adyn was hurting in the present day had nothing to do with his misfortune. I understand Ardyn's pain, but that doesn't make it his actions right.
He is Wicked. The People Who Did Him Wrong Are Long Gone.. He Could Of Had Payback in Different Way if He Proved To To His Brother's Bloodline(Noctis) that he was Worthy and Exposed What His Brother Did.
He is wicked.
True, the man that cast him into a fallen savior is unjust- but he died eons ago. He snapped and finally killed many of innocents' lives and brought the world to into darkness. That's all done in the name of revenge. He's mad, he's also disproportionate to his retribution. He vowed to destroy what his brother had built by destroying ornaments around the city all while giggling and sarcastically remarking. And again... While killing innocents.
He's wicked. But no doubt, he's sympathetic as a villain.
What bugs me is that when in earlier games of the franchise you would dispose of the gods who make humans suffer such in FF XIII, in this title they actually all got what they wanted. Bahamut's plan goes exactly as plannet and Ardyn as well as Noctis are just his chess pieces. And after all of this, he still lurks out there to shape the destiny of humankind. It's actually very unsatisfying...
It's very satisfying because the whole point of ardyns sacrifice and death is to end the demonic disease which takes root in Ardyn since he absorbed so many of them.
The novel sorts that matter out by going back on the fabla nova crystallis like storytelling. Those are the type 0 games and FFXIII. Kinda sad that it was removed from it and changed story story because of China but a least it got some aspects of it back.
This should be in the original game Square Enix
This is what happens when you rush a game, the rest of it will be sold in dlc
I'm surprised no one is talking about how the screams from the demonifying insomnian soldiers sound.. I love how you hear their last moments as they quickly convert into a more demonic scream.
This is just amazing. This is what we needed the whole game should've just been about Ardyn if they wanted to scrap versus 13 so bad.
That song in the credits is really beautiful and classy. I look forward to reading the actual lyrics, etc.
Actually, it seemed pretty obvious that ardyn was more like a vessel for darkness. In game, it was told that everything was predetermined and so both roles of Ardyn and Noctis. It was clear that Ardyn was ready to accept his fate (it can be seen when he suffers from defeat by Noctis). Developers just had to show that and so did they.
It can be also said that Ardyn could see in Noctis himself as they both had to sacrifice their lives, they are victims of fate. This understanding doesn't seem to have been shown but still the ending of FFXV we got is satisfying for me.
So, to sum up, we got Ardyn as someone who had to collect all the darkness, Noctis who had to collect all the light in his ring to destroy darkness. And Somnus and Aera who knew what destiny Ardyn was meant to carry. It is also interesting that Bahamuth could easily interrupt Ardyn but in the main story he did nothing to help (again - everything is predetermined).
There are also lots of people who say that Bahamuth is antagonist but it seems that there is no clear who is the enemy. Bahamuth is a goddess and he does not care about emotions (he did say that the end of Somnus' kin will come to an end and so Ardyn will get what he wanted like he did not even care). For Bahamuth it was significant to get rid of Starscourge and nothing more.
I still applaud the performance of the One True King and i truly believe he deserved that throne more than any of his brother's line. Take a bow, King Ardyn!
I actually feel empathy for him. His hate and vengefulness have justification.
Albeit suffering a great loss, in the end Noctis and Ardyn got what they both wanted. Noctis eradicating the starscourge, while Ardyn succeeded in wiping out the Lucian bloodline.
@@100percentNotaBot Yeah all they really got was fucked.
Really? And here I thought Noctis wanted to save his kingdom, and other than that just have a decent life. Noctis never cared about ridding the world of starscourge, at no point during his story is that ever a goal. Helping his people, being their king, helping make life better for them: those were things he wanted, defeating the empire that was causing suffdring.
Instead, everything was destroyed and 99% of the entire worlds population was killed, Noctis got to kill himself and Ardyn. I wouldn't say either got what they wanted. Ardyn never wanted any of it in the first place but unlike Noctis he didn't unquestioningly lie down and do the Gods bidding even when it was evil. If he was going to do evil, he was going to do it for his own goals, not the Gods. At least he kept his dignity, unlike Noctis, but he hardly got what he wanted; what he wanted was never to be betrayed and cursed in the first place.
Wow! That's Johann Sebastian Bach, Air on G String at min 16:45
Yeah! That was awesome!
I KKNOW! I WAS LIKE I KNOW THAT SONG! And it is fitting! It is also in another SE game ;)
I like how u can just sit down and relax to save the game at 1:31:33
That moment you come to terms with the fact that both the Caelum and Fleuret family lines died with Noctus and Luna😔😔
I wonder if it is hard for Ardyn that Lunafreya looks like a clone of Aera =(
@@sonyabelmontfarenheght1189 When he kills her, a friend of mine said it was not merely contempt. I know this prologue is actually after the base game but then they tied it in pretty well. Aera also wanted him to be happy and cured. It was TOO much for him. And, killing her, I always feel was 2 birds with one stone. Mercy but also the hate he feels for Somnus's lineage personified. As Somnus did the same to him. In all honesty and truth, FFXV seems more about a game on Ardyn than about Noctis. I mean we have Ardyn as a fully fleshed character who starts a hero and turns into an antagonist/villain. But I mean I always felt the gods messed up and they just made Noctis and Ardyn pawns. This is similar to why Lightning and the others get angry at the gods in FFXIII. I just don't like Ardyn suffering for nothing. Like a very literal and mean version of Jesus like figure dying for people's sins in the worst, way imaginable.
Random person: I lost my wife, house, and children
Ardyn: hold my daemons
I loved FFXV, just wish it was all well and put together before it got released. But another side of me would of liked to see Ardyn as the protagonist, and the whole game be about him. His story was tragic, screwed by everyone, and basically told this is what we have for you and it’s absolute.
Ardyn IS the kind of guy to just sit on a bench and read a magazine in the middle of a capital seige.
They really need to up their game in sound department. All dialogues sound like just voice actors talking into the mic. No environmental effect at all
110% what I felt the entire time I played it.
There is a specific reason for that. The game was recorded originally in Japanese, and the English had to be redubbed. When you redub, you can't have more than one voice actor in the booth at the same time, and you can't mix a lot of other sounds in quite as well, because the main focus is on getting the dub to fit the scene that has already been made. That's why, despite the main game having a major emphasis on the character relationships (and the voice actors did a decent enough job), you never really feel it that they are together. Because they literally weren't.
@@TheLastWanderingBard I would agree with you there cept the fact this is a game company.
They have all the files needed to swap out the voices with the correct sounding surroundings.
Ardyn is one of two exceptions along with Vergil that break the joke where you defeat the final boss of a game and unlocking them as a playable character, albeit weaker than what you have faced against.
Thanks Boss for making this vid. TO be honest this episode just changed my idea of the hero of it. Im 1000 percent with Ardyn. To hell with Behamut, Somnus and the city of insomnia. I know exactly how Ardyn feels. Betrayed and broken and only anger and dark to be your friend. I know that others are out there who feel the same. As oppose to the "King of Light" who drives around having a good time and jerking off to food and fish. Sorry Ardyn that your own family fucked you dude. May you find peace at the end of this story.
Yeah, but like Ishgard of FFXIV's present era, those people aren't even aware of the betrayal save for the royalty. The City of Insomnia and its people weren't the problem and shouldn't be punished for the sins of their fathers.
@@astrealbrizbee9815 Im just upset on how the royal guard could just shoot on sight. Guy has been in solitary for over 2 millennia and no one wants to talk to him, not only that hes not a threat untill you make him one.
Totally agreed here hes trated like shit and i like him for it wish he won
@@Saltymedpac8008 To be fair, Noctis got fucked over by the god to, technically the whole Lucis family blood line did. If any thing, blame the gods. Noctis was born go basically give his life to undo everything Ardyn did. He was born to give his life to bring the light back into the world and Ardyn was born to plunge the world into darkness and then be slain by Noctis. Noctis had to do the job that will end the Lucis family blood line, who were only formed just to do what the gods tell them to.
Really shows you how just like in real life, how little control you have over your life in the face of a god. The gods essentially played chess with these people and they were basically like "Eh...Deal with it".
Honestly, I wish we got to see all of this when the game came out. I'd of waited to know the full story if it added so much story like this.
This actually makes XV more powerful and meaningful at the same time. Great job from the new Square Enix director and his crew.
I had never seen this. This was really sad. He was betrayed in an extreme way and never got so much as an apology. "I dare not ask your forgiveness but hope you can fine repose"!? After Aera died, he lost it. Ardyn wasn't a monster, betrayal made him into one.
The mention of Pitioss made me recoil and remember the time I spent there
That map table did a better job world building than the entire base game did in 60 hours lol
Ardyn forcing Ifrit to his knees is the most epic scene of all FFXV + DLCs.
If someone is interested, there's a novel where Ardyn and Noctis realize Bahamut is the true asshole here and join forces to defeat him. It was supposed to be a DLC alternative ending (like the one in Episode Ignis) but it was canceled
What's it called?
@@majora361 Dawn of the Future. Got cancelled, so they say. Damn, SE, why can't we have a good stuff?!😡
I'm not crying, you're crying
This is such an important part of the ffxv story. I feel sorry for Ardyn :(