So let me get this straight all ardyn wanted was to be the chosen king to heal the people of the scourge with his wife aera by his side and what does he get instead? -Sees his wife aera gets killed right in front of his eyes? -See his brother Somnus take over the throne instead of him? -Gets locked up for 2000+ years and gets forgotten by history? -Wakes up and gets told by the gods that he is nothing but a sacrificial vessel of the scourge for the one true king to kill off? -Gets stabbed multiple times by bahamut posing as his wife aera if he decides to resist his fate until he yields? Yeah I think I would have gone mad after all that bullshit too.
@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s It's hypocrisy, all right...and the worst kind, too! Not just by the Gods, but also that SOB Somnus, who claims to have done horrible things to Ardyn for "the good of his people", when it's actually done out of pure jealousy and selfishness. Now if that ain't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
Lucis is built on major hypocrisy which makes me wish Noctis had discovered the true extent of it. Also I noticed that when the Royal Guards first came across Ardyn they called him an "It". Not him. It. They were dehumanising asf. Also it makes me wonder about the empire. I don't think it's truly as bad as the game made it out be or at least there's more good characters than were let on. The Niflheim natives call Lucis "gruesome" among other things which makes me wonder if Lucians hadn't pulled some underhanded BS in the past in the name of "saving the world". Also I feel like Niflheim was a safe place for those infected with the scourge and they had the technology to treat it (albeit with some shady stuff in the background). Also Ardyn is the best propaganda tool: he suffered at the hands of Lucians and it's TRUE. From the eyes of imperial citizens (if they were made aware of Ardyn) they would think the Lucians are the most evil people on the planet.
@@maxredjasper55 Actually Noctis does learn of it in the story, as they were meaning to release a sort of "extended ending" episode, Episode Lunafreya along with Episode Noctis. Technically a bit more of a what if story if Noctis got news about Bahamuts true plan and willingness to end the world to remake it so it could be cleansed from Starscourge if his plan fails. Basically Bahamut sees humans as nothing more than ants. And Noctis plus Ardyn just destroys magic and the gods to see to it the world keep surviving without Daemons and all that. I would've loved if we had gotten this... But sadly it was truly canceled :c
If I were in Ardyn's shoes I'd hate the hell out of Somnus. And what's worse is that the Lucians have no idea about the BS their kingdom was founded on. The murderer became a worshipped king.
The worst part? Apparently if the last wave of dlc had come out, we would have gotten an alternate ending where all the characters team up and tell the "gods" where to shove their pox ridden destiny
People don't see that Ardyn and Ifrit shared the same fate. They were both screwed by the ones they loved and turned into monsters. Ifrit in his flashback looks like he was like Ardyn in God form so I see why he and Ardyn teamed up. Both had been fucked by the ones they really loved. I hope they touch upon more Ifrit.
I really hate this world's gods, they are making him move like a puppet to play there stupid game. It's like he has no choice but play his role in all this.
I'm more concerned with the fact that he has old man Verstael's voice attached to that face. If Prompto's a clone of him, and he looks more the age of Prompto than old man Verstael, he should have Prompto's voice. Hearing the old man voice with the young face is pretty jarring.
@@christianhaegler4817 but Prompto isn't Verstael, they look the same but they're completely different characters in fact I think it would be more jarring for them to sound the exact same. I honestly thought they were going to change va, I'm glad they stuck with Blum.
I adore this ending. If anything, he is the victim of his brother's jealousy, saving his people at the cost of his humanity, and the Gods choosing to sacrifice a just man.
Destroys a nation, plunges the world in darkness, murders the hero's (bland) lover, tortures said hero's best friend, all to make a mockery of the Light and the Gods and people that betrayed and abandoned him, turns out to be the Gods plan all along to destroy darkness forever. I enjoyed FFXIV, but I'm conflicted on Ardyn's ranking as a villain in the series. At first, rather bland evil. More detail, monstrous evil. This comes out, Shakespearean tragic villain and the Gods are the real baddies. Now I want another game that has Noctis and Ardyn team up to destroy the gods, then finally kill him and complete the plan solely because his existence was suffering.
Joseph Lankford That was what Episode Lunafreya was going to be about, but unfortunately they cancelled Episode Aranea and Lunafreya, so it’s Dawn of the Future you’ll have to read to get that ending where everyone murks Bahamut.
What's funny is that I'm here after reading Dawn of the Future (the other half of FFXV's story) and thats pretty much how it ends, everyone fighting Bahamut @Joseph lol
@@nicholasmendoza3550 he's being forced to by the gods Not exactly innocent but not totally a monster either. Even when he tries to resist he gets tortured to break his will.
After everything Somnus did to him, he still got the face to say all he did was for the greater good? And have that ‘I holier than thou’ attitude? Seriously, he disgusts me.
Out of all the things I love the conversations between Ardyn and Verstael. First it starts out with Ardyn being exasperated with Verstael and then twelve years later Ardyn is exasperating Verstael XD Also interesting that Verstael doesn't want Ardyn to get into the crossfire of the Niflheim and Insommian forces despite knowing he's immortal. They really are friends... or were.
Nah, I truly believe the darkness is twisting his memories and thoughts. Making him think that saomos was evil and did this out of selfishness. Saomos in ardyns memories and the one we actually see in the real world are like two different people.
@@KnightBX nope. The anime show his brother was indeed an asshole. In fact he was rounding up civilians and kill them while ardyn go around and cure people who was infected
TheBeauJOB no, that memory where he saw Somnus as jealous bitch was actually Ifrit’s memory as one of the Gods of that world. Ardyn was the actual chosen one, before Somnus take it by force. Bahamut is pretty much a flim-flam God who play around with his human toys, and when he saw Somnus had the power to beat Ardyn before and how he can manipulate their people into believing he’s the true chosen one, Bahamut changed the game and make Somnus the actual chosen king of light, while Ardyn becomes the king of darkness. Somnus was probably at first was the intended king of darkness candidate in Bahamut mind, with all his jealousy toward Ardyn being blessed. But, Bahamut like switch the role because most people at that time already believed in Somnus lies, so Bahamut make that lies becomes the truth. If you watch the tendencies of gods behaviour on previous FF stories, they always choose the path of less resistance, the path where they can keep the most number of human followers. Now imagined if Bahamut keep Ardyn as king of light, many people will be torn to believe between Ardyn and Somnus, both will claim being chosen, many will end up staying with Somnus and end up straying from the path of light anyway and may end up forming a real strong anti-God faction that might have higher chance to produced heroes that might be able to oppose Bahamut’s godhood itself...remember that even one Ardyn with his power can subdue Ifrit, one of the gods of that land. So, that’s how Bahamut decide to switch Ardyn and Somnus role, to pave the way of less resistance for his “ordained fate” to come to fruitition...Bahamut sides with whoever have the most believer at the time. Plus, Ardyn was a real pacifist, who don’t want to take life instead of giving life, you can imagined what’s on Bahamut’s mind when he saw the prospect of Somnus fighting Ardyn for the throne, if Ardyn was still the king of light, the dark Somnus might actually win.
TheBeauJOB Also when Somnus says he did what he did for the good of his people...he probably reallu meant it. He likely saw Ardyn being a pacifist king of light as something that’s not for the best for their people. It’s not a rarity for generals to believe pacifist ruler as bad for their people, because of how many threat could go unchecked due to ruler pacifistness.
I kinda want to see a Solomus DLC now just so we can see the gods tell him that because of his actions he damned his bloodline and prevented eternal peace from happening all because he was jealous that he wasn't chosen to be king.....I honestly feel bad for Ardyn especially since he wasn't a evil bad guy overall
You know, I actually think it would have been really interesting to see more of Verstael. He only appears in the main game for like one scene, but we learn quite a bit about him through Ep. Ardyn and Ep. Prompto. I love his interaction with Ardyn at the dinner table, where Verstael is just gushing about how amazing Ardyn is while the latter is practically despondent, lol. Verstael is an absolute nut, but I like that about him. From a logical standpoint he should be terrified of Ardyn, but he's not. He just thinks he's super cool XD
@@Heraldo_Del_Mar There's no such thing as the 'Antichrist.' 'AntiChrist' is originally just a term used to describe heretics and non-believers. Literally any non-christian is an Antichrist in the eyes of the early church founders. The meaning for the word just got twisted up in centuries of misconceptions.
Yeah he basically is but not lol he denies the gods and tries to help people instead of being a martyr (like Jesus) like the gods planed for him but since he heals people from the dark by taking it into himself he becomes more and more cold especially when the gods decide to make him out to be the devil to his own family lineage.
Why ardyn's episode is epic? 1. He has ifrit 2. He has the original prompto 3. His so overpowered 4. Sonmous.. (even if he betrayed his brother) kept calling him brother..
Unfortunately you gotta read the rest of FFXV's story (at least at this moment in time) It's worth the read, that's all I'll say We need ffxv in next-gen consoles
Final Fantasy games used to put the backstories of characters like this into the main game itself. Its kinda' sad that people had to pay money for something that should have been included in the main game itself. Anyways, it was pretty good.
@@lesterramos6468 exactly! Noctis did nothing to him! The man who actually betrade him died many many ages ago. Why kill innocent people of Lucis who did nothing to you just because of a man who died ages ago? Ardyn basically killed people for no good reason at all. Why people say he did nothing wrong? Idk.
Rosa Bowden At the point where Ardyn kills Luna, his mind has already been twisted by the betrayal, the Starscourge, and absorbing people’s memories. Ardyn did nothing wrong to deserve the fate he got. But everything from when he fights Ifrit and onwards... he does do horrible things.
So let’s get this straight: the main villain is a victim of fate along with the hero, and because of that he decided to take his rage out on the royal bloodline and innocent people, not just out of spite for the gods and his sociopathic piece of shit brother, but because he was basically dragged into a distant future destiny for a thousands of years. All of this talk about Noctis fulfilling his destiny, developing as a character, and becoming a true king as everything he loved was torn down, this WHOLE TIME, was just to satisfy the whims of an asshole god. So this whole game’s ending becomes unsatisfying because I die killing a dude who was only evil in the first place because of OTHER assholes who ruined his life and who never even gave him a f*cking choice afterward but to die. And apparently, we’ll never have a DLC that gives us the satisfying of giving Bahamut the Good ok’ Kratos style treatment because this game is an incoherent, underdeveloped, corporate mess? Am I missing something here? Am I simplifying this? Because my first reaction to this was: “YOU’RE AN ASSHOLE BAHAMUT! I should have killed you all along!!”
Lol oh no you're upset that people can rise to a godly example of service and sacrifice whilst gods themselves can exhibit the most callous of human behaviours? My heart bleeds for you.
It's made worse when you realise that 112 Lucian Kings had to have known there was a guy stuck on an island and NONE of them questioned it. King Mors, Noctis's grandfather, knew there was a guy being tortured on an island for 2000 years and ordered his kingsglaive to kill him if he escaped. And Mors has no idea who he truly is, and just buys the belief that he's evil. That's super messed up.
This is a great argument as to why DLC should not exist. I completed FF15 and had no idea what was going on in the story, this and Promptos DLC fills in so many gaps it should have been in the main game.
Yeah, I'm fine with DLC filling in the gaps, but in Ardyn's case it completely changes how you look at him. It actually reminded me that I probably shouldn't buy FF16 until its clear what DLC comes out, so I can figure out if I need to wait for a complete edition. Kind of sad that that's where we're at now.
Gods discuss: " Hey , world're full of daemons hide in all people's body , let's hire a royal dude to absorb all daemons to save people " " Ok job's done, world's at peace now " " The dude should be chosen as King, cause he saved all people, take him in the crystal " " Nah, he's not pure anymore cause he hold those daemons " "Ardyn, you're fired ". ... That's kind of dick boss.
@@KanadeHaruhi yet he is fine with killing all those people in insomnia before he is told by bahamut what his fate is? Ardyn is not a good person. I'd advise you to look into determinism and some basic philosophy, determinism is the main theme behind XV. If you believe in free will as a concept then Ardyn is fully to blame for everything he does. If you believe in hard determinism then everyone eis blameless for everything, yes even Bahamut is blameless.
@@lahyte_5925 ardyn did a pretty big 180 though, his betrayal shouldn't have made him into a merciless killer of innocents if he really cared about people. The starscourge that he took unto himself mightve had something to do with that, the other Demons that succumbed to the starscourge like the emporor also became delusional and obsessed. It just pisses me off that people are willing to be so critical of Somnus when Ardyn has a far bigger body count. They're both pretty horrid human beings.
Samnus does look like a bit of Noctis hmmmm so canonically , he submitted to his fate, so he fought Noctis knowing he will lose...God damn it sucks to be Ardyn Yet if he resisted, he is sent back in time? to spread Darkness? so in the end, it only got worse...fuuuuck
Neither decision mattered, him resisting or embracing, since they both led to the same location and drive in the end. Which is sad given how much he's had to sacrifice already and how much more he'd have to up until the end of the game.
The decision would matter canonically if the new dlcs weren't canceled. Submit to fate = original ending Resist fate = Dawn of the future ending where Ardyn teams up with Noct to kill Bahamut
@@b_is_alive FFXV director left Square Enix so they canceled them. But there's a book Dawn of the Future that describes the events of canceled dlcs as well as Episode Ardyn's story in greater detail. I'm reading it right now and came here to refresh my memory of what actually got into the episode.
I see one and only one major difference between 13 and 15 (aside from all the actual improvements from 13) and that... That's Fate people. Lightning, Snow, Sazh, all of 13 really where able to defy their fate against gods. But Noctis and Ardyn? They didn't even have a fucking choice. Not. One. If only the Oracle survived...
Agreed. I like how different FF XIII trilogy and FF XV is. FF XIII is all about defying their fates and turning their backs against their gods. FF XV is all about accepting your fate, and no matter what you do, you will never escape it.
Episode Ardyn is definitely, but I'm here after reading Dawn of the Future... they definitely defied their fate(s) lol@@raizer1946 - so glad we finally got the other half of FFXV's story. I recommend it to everyone
So it would seem, I mean, Ignis is the anomaly however, which makes him so interesting, he changed everything, and changed the fate of everyone, saving Noctis, by using the ring himself, in the Ignis DLC, where in one of the timelines, he defeats Ardyn, Noctis finishes his task in the crystal, and banishes Ardyn, without having to sacrifice himself. This means Ignis is the only one in the final fantasy 15 universe to disobey the gods, and change the fate they had set out.
I am not surprised people have this stigma of good or bad. i always tell ppl its perspective. Once you get to know someones story you get to know why. The why is always the reason to the actions. More lack or Morals the more bad you can become. Different coping or some lack of feelings don't make you bad its certain actions that define who you are and what you become on the outside. inside the thing that drives you is what you really are. People will make something more of it to have different definitions of Normal, Good, Or Bad. Some People will think you need to be religious to be good, Some think you have to be well mannered, Some think you have to have success or save others. Some people think curse words make you evil, Some think you having a lack of emotion means you are evil, Some think you liking rap or Black Metal makes you bad. People think killing someone makes you evil well then cops and the army would be evil. Defending yourself isn't evil. The issue is what people place on subconscious bias on what they believe from themselves on another and this is hard to break until you look at things from many angles and practice doing so. I knew it was a reason for his actions just wanted to know why and glad they shown it.
Virgo I bet in the Ff worlds it’s a bit like star wars, where there isn’t actual good or evil, only the light and dark side of the force. In Ff there is only light and darkness, each side being neither good nor bad but for some reason in opposition to eachother.
It still doesn't excuse his actions is the problem, people always try so hard to defend evil deeds, it's really a shame because no one ever seems to want to defend good deeds anymore but are desperate for some reason to excuse the bad ones and unless you're a child you know the difference between right and wrong so you can shove that prospective nonsense, guess what? people who horrible things happened to can still be good people and not go around taking out their pain and ugliness on others, you don't get a pass just because you have bad s*** happen to you to do it unto others
THIS^. I don't think the Niflheim empire isn't as bad as the Lucians made it out to be because 1. They're enemies 2. Niflheim NEVER dehumanised Ardyn like the Lucians did. They could have, but they didn't. Also remember that the starscourge was infecting innocent people. Instead of torturing them like the Lucians, the empire celebrates them and they probably treated the ones who didn't want to infected too (besides where Verstael is involved). I got the feeling that the majority of people who suffered in the imperial invasions were the royals. Yeah, there's some civilian causalities, but I'm almost certain that the Lucians racked up an impressive body count too. It's just that they were imperials and the Lucian government ran propaganda to make it look like the Lucian military is benevolent and defenders of the light.
@@maxredjasper55 So it makes it okay because they were "maybe" only experimenting on enemy soldiers? Right... and I guess Altissha was also just a weird coincidence of events, they didn't completely take that place over and kill the family that was in charge there, only managing to keep control the people and stop them rebelling because they kept key members alive to keep them subjugated, it's amazing the type of bull that people will try to defend, it makes me really glad this is fiction not that the garbage people try to defend in real life is any better, there's trying to see two sides and then there's just trying to make every excuse of a book for why no matter how shady it is just as bad if not worse than trying to defend the Empire from Star Wars, just stop. As I said no one ever wants to defend good deeds just look for ugliness in the good even if it's not the person who is at the the forefront who is currently doing anyting they'll literally breaking their spine trying to find excuses for the bad though, also if the Altissia thing didn't make it clear it wasn't only insomnia that had issues with the empire, they are an Empire because they took over and conquered multiple peoples who were already individual places which is obviously never good.
nobody ever talks about how Aera messed up by breaking her contract as oracle with the gods by telling somnus he was not meant to be king. Really everything is bahaumats fault but shes a close second.
"Pitiful creature of darkness... what kind of life have you know? God give me courage to show you you are not alone..." - Phantom of the Opera. Poor, pitiful Ardyn.
Hmm... I feel like there were parts of Ardyn that both wanted to defy the fate given him, and parts that conceded to his fate so that he could have his revenge and find his death. We see equal parts insanity likely brought from the starscourge, but we also see his aid and the like in the game with the chocobros, leading and helping them where they need to go.
I really hate this world's gods, they are making him move like a puppet to play there stupid game. It's like he has no choice but play his role in all this.
@@sainttan Yeah, gods are shit. At least our G to the O to the D knows that he'd be a terrible leader and muck everything up if he tried to intervene directly, and just lets us humans do what we want, only bothering with us after we die.
His story is a whole lot worse after seeing the anime episode. The good takeaway though is that Somnus got his shit together when he found out about Ardyn and his rage.
@@EmptyMan000 He even admitted to his jealousy having fueled his actions in backstabbing his brother and usurping the throne. I mean....come on. If ppl call Ardyn evil, we must call Somnus evil.
People forget that the point of Ardyn's is that he had no choice and could not challenge his fate, which was decreed by the gods. He was a mortal and could not fight. Bahamut went with this convoluted plan to rid the world of the scourge and set Ardyn to be a sacrificial lamb for the True King who would also die. The evil Ardyn was forced to do was not his making.
@@sinac8 Spoiler warning below. Bunevelzha from the Novas Nebula Chrysalles series. If you look at Bahamut's Sillouete as he disappears, he looks exactly like Bunevelzha during the FF13-3 boss battle. Plus, when he said that everything that happens to mankind was preordained was a lie. If that were indeed true, then Ifrit would not have been surprised by Ardyn's Starscourge
Seeing as this Final Fantasy was supposed to be part of the Crystal storyverse, it's not surprising if Bahamut was really Bunivelze under another name in this reality
I think a lot of people would do the same, if they're in his shoes.. a god, telling you, you're just their plaything; even favoring the people who are true evil
It was a good example of Olympian type gods that are selfish and scheming just like mortals. They never claimed to be morally superior only all powerful and mortals MUST submit to them
Oh, yeah, definitely the gods's fault here. Had this DLC come out before the actual FF15 as a stand-alone game or prologue, I can imagine Ardyn being seen as the hero. After all, how many other fantasy games have a wrongfully deposed prince reclaiming his throne and wreaking vengeance on those who stole from and betrayed him? Most of them! So, really, Noctis is the villain all along!
Nah man, Noctis is as innocent as Ardyn. They both did not deserves this fate. This so called “god” just played them like puppets, damn those Bahamut! I know now why Ifrit started a war to the other Astrals.
Aera: It seems to me the cure for your exhaustion is comprised of two things, one of which is rest Ardyn: Oh? And the other? Aera: Is me Me and Ardyn: Awwwww........
Hi there!! Here after reading Dawn of the Future. I can say, they shouldnt have cancelled those DLC... Dawn of the Future really answers everything Sure you gotta read a book to know the other half of the story... but the story itself is phenomenal
He's not Jesus. Ardyn is never Jesus and never will be him. Jesus is Holy and is full of light and truth and he's God's son and him and God are one, he's God. Jesus is all good and has no evil. Ardyn is fictional and he's not God. Jesus however is real an is God. Here's another truth and I pray you'll listen, Jesus had to go to the cross for our sins. For all of us, he couldn't be sinful and do that, he was and is forever sinless. Jesus was fully God and fully man. Jesus not only could, but did live his whole life without sin. 1 Peter 2:22 says, "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." 1 John 3:5 says, ". . . And in him is no sin." And also The sinless Jesus was a perfect sacrifice. We read that God sent His Son into the world (John 10:36). He was expressly sent to live a sinless life and die as a criminal to take on the penalty of sinners pardoning them for their sins. 1 Peter 2:24 explains: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."This was God's plan from the beginning. He knew that we would need a redeemer. And God knew that without a redeemer an savior we were dead in our sins. Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." John 3:16-17, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."Jesus saves all who will receive His gift of salvation. Jesus saves all those who fully trust in His sacrifice alone as the payment for sin (John 3:16; Acts 16:31). While Jesus’ sacrifice was perfectly sufficient to pay for the sins of all humanity, Jesus only saves those who personally receive His most precious of gifts (John 1:12).God offers forgiveness to anyone and everyone who will repent and believe and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation. This includes those involved in any sin. Once salvation through Christ is received, God will begin the process of destroying the acts of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) and developing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Sometimes God removes our desire for a particular sin and other times He gives us strength to resist temptation. The process of transformation takes a lifetime. When we fail, God is faithful to forgive and cleanse (1 John 1:9). He is also faithful to complete His work in us (Philippians 1:6). The promise of a "new creation" is available to anyone who will trust in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). When Jesus saves us our past is gone our sins are washed away by his precious blood and we new creations in Christ Jesus📖🕊2 Corinthians 5:17-18 (KJV) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
Dude talking about Hella religion bout Jesus, hey this is a free county if he wanna call him dark jesus why not, Bible verses not necessary im sure he was talking about the story of Jesus. For all we know is the Bible you read is 100% correct 🤷♂️ we don't know but a great idea that it was tampered with especially with king James name behind it. So before you judge someone with all these bible verses there's a place for that and that is a church somewhere. If dude wanna say dark jesus l have no problem with it after all he is describing how ardyn character is✌ there is no need for all that bible verse crap
Thank you for sharing, Gamer's. I feel neutral on the story considering most of the story for this episode, as if I remember correctly Tabata mentioned in an interview that Bahamut becoming the antagonist was a last minute change to the story. Who is certain what the plot would be like if not for Tabata's choice he made with the Astral god, possibly stay true to the Anime epilogue.
Just finished reading Dawn of the Future….OMG IF ONLY THEY CONTINUED WITH THE DLCS! WHYYYYY BUT FCK IT, whatever it is, Dawn of the Future will always be canon for ME. That is how a true FF game should be.
It still doesn't excuse his actions is the problem, people always try so hard to defend evil deeds, it's really a shame because no one ever seems to want to defend good deeds anymore but are desperate for some reason to excuse the bad ones and unless you're a child you know the difference between right and wrong so you can shove that prospective nonsense, guess what? people who horrible things happened to can still be good people and not go around taking out their pain and ugliness on others, you don't get a pass just because you have bad s*** happen to you to do it unto others
But... Why did the gods want such a dark thing to happen to the world? They just enjoy playing with kings like they are puppets or what? Why did Bahamut set this fate to Ardyn and Noctis just to see they die and bring the world into devastation together with it ? This game left me so scared and the more I look for awnsers more questions start to appear.
So ardyn knew all along that he would be killed by noctis and just had to continue playing the bad guy as said by the gods...damn i feel sorry for ardyn
He's not playing along tho, he's simply trying to fight his destiny. He knows that he is about to be sacrificial lamb, but he planned to fight his destiny by spreading starscourge, spread darkness and lure the king of light so that he can kill the king. He said so in 1:04:00
I kept getting distracted by Verstael’s face cause it’s prompto’s face model it so weird 😭 I know lore wise it makes sense but like seeing this twink with this deep voice is so ridiculous
What if the Gods altered Ardyn destiny because his brother usurp his throne. Since Ardyn has absorbed the Startscourge and gain immortality, yet he is suffering through out millennia, and even the Gods could not purge the Startscourge on their own permanently. They see this as solution to relief Ardyn of his torment of immortality and at the same time get rid of the Startscourge.
See i can't believe that since they were the one's who gave him the power to cure it to begin with. It was like they knew what he would do. They problem had everything planned which is why bahamut interfered when he did and not before
Those Astrals are not real gods in my eyes. The real Gods never ask for blood sacrifices like those required by Bahamut, especially to doom oneselve's own soul and to doom 99% of world's population. I suspect Bahamut is the one who created or brought the Starscourge to Eos in order to fulfil his own agenda. And the civilization of Solheim must have been ended because I suspect the Solheimees did somehow learn about the Astral's intents and tried to stop them. What if, in reality, Ifrit was on Solheim's side and later after his defeat, the Cosmology stories were written to demonify him like the one who almost destroyed the first humanity generation?
Alvin Lim Remember, everything is preordained, Bahamut stated this himself during the defy fate ending. With that in mind, this being an alternate decision to rectify the outright horrible hand dealt to Ardyn is a nice but unlikely.
I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted the tone of your comment, but......have you seen the Prompto DLC? (I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not is all)
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So let me get this straight all ardyn wanted was to be the chosen king to heal the people of the scourge with his wife aera by his side and what does he get instead?
-Sees his wife aera gets killed right in front of his eyes?
-See his brother Somnus take over the throne instead of him?
-Gets locked up for 2000+ years and gets forgotten by history?
-Wakes up and gets told by the gods that he is nothing but a sacrificial vessel of the scourge for the one true king to kill off?
-Gets stabbed multiple times by bahamut posing as his wife aera if he decides to resist his fate until he yields?
Yeah I think I would have gone mad after all that bullshit too.
Is that called hypocrisy? If it is, I would have doubted the Lucians' motives.
@@WarbossR0kt00fSant0s It's hypocrisy, all right...and the worst kind, too! Not just by the Gods, but also that SOB Somnus, who claims to have done horrible things to Ardyn for "the good of his people", when it's actually done out of pure jealousy and selfishness. Now if that ain't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
Lucis is built on major hypocrisy which makes me wish Noctis had discovered the true extent of it. Also I noticed that when the Royal Guards first came across Ardyn they called him an "It". Not him. It. They were dehumanising asf. Also it makes me wonder about the empire. I don't think it's truly as bad as the game made it out be or at least there's more good characters than were let on. The Niflheim natives call Lucis "gruesome" among other things which makes me wonder if Lucians hadn't pulled some underhanded BS in the past in the name of "saving the world". Also I feel like Niflheim was a safe place for those infected with the scourge and they had the technology to treat it (albeit with some shady stuff in the background). Also Ardyn is the best propaganda tool: he suffered at the hands of Lucians and it's TRUE. From the eyes of imperial citizens (if they were made aware of Ardyn) they would think the Lucians are the most evil people on the planet.
@@maxredjasper55 Actually Noctis does learn of it in the story, as they were meaning to release a sort of "extended ending" episode, Episode Lunafreya along with Episode Noctis. Technically a bit more of a what if story if Noctis got news about Bahamuts true plan and willingness to end the world to remake it so it could be cleansed from Starscourge if his plan fails. Basically Bahamut sees humans as nothing more than ants. And Noctis plus Ardyn just destroys magic and the gods to see to it the world keep surviving without Daemons and all that. I would've loved if we had gotten this... But sadly it was truly canceled :c
@@Dubbelthorthat's so final fantasy XVI story typical stuff
Noctis wouldnt accept to kill ardyn if he knows the story. Bahamut lied everything to him
he does, Dawn of the Future answers all the questions
(about his 10 year absence)
But that's interesting you bring that up
@@byksEBM i see, so Noctis knows his story? about his girl dyin and him also being his ancestor? :O
@@b_is_alive He still can't forgive Ardyn for what he had done to Luna but still willing to compromise with him.
had we gone through with all the planned dlc we would have been able to play the alternate ending to this tale
Ardyn and aera'a relationship has more screen time than noctis and luna
That's like saying water is more moist than fire. Iris seemed like a better match for Noctis.
both died virgin
Ms. Chin BK It's no way we can know if Jesus was a virgin
Although it makes sense
@@mrs_chin supposedly Jesus had a kid. So wtf are you talking about
Bahamut, the true villain of FFXV.
Literally that dragon man is op af, broke the entire lore of ffxv after reading the dawn of the future novel.
Weird how FF13 was about defying fate, and FF15 is about how fate is unchangeable.
@@503leafy thats why it was called vs 13 i guess before they changed it to 15
Yeah. In the end all is die. Damn.
Shakespeare is....
I really feel so sorry for Ardyn he didn't deserve this at all.
Yeah
sad that they made the game centered around despair and powerlessness
it a Shakespeare.... the whole fucking is Shakespeare.... it don't matter what story are... they just want us to feel thing..
If I were in Ardyn's shoes I'd hate the hell out of Somnus. And what's worse is that the Lucians have no idea about the BS their kingdom was founded on. The murderer became a worshipped king.
The worst part? Apparently if the last wave of dlc had come out, we would have gotten an alternate ending where all the characters team up and tell the "gods" where to shove their pox ridden destiny
Why didn't it hsppen?
@@MrLordofgames The director quit. As far as I know.
There is actually a book about it, and its been translated to English. Good read
@@jksquad6843 yeah. I got and read it. Pretty nice, but it also underlined the missed opportunity
@@Korraganitar yeah I completely agree. The book is amazing imo but a dlc would have been on another level
ALL I WANTED WAS A SCENE WHERE ARDYN GETS HIS SICK HAT AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN GIVE ME THAT DLC
People don't see that Ardyn and Ifrit shared the same fate. They were both screwed by the ones they loved and turned into monsters. Ifrit in his flashback looks like he was like Ardyn in God form so I see why he and Ardyn teamed up. Both had been fucked by the ones they really loved. I hope they touch upon more Ifrit.
I thought everyone knew that?
I really hate this world's gods, they are making him move like a puppet to play there stupid game. It's like he has no choice but play his role in all this.
Agreed.
how do u know u are not a puppet too in our world living out your fate given by our world's God?
@@laocheebye How do you know there even is a God in our world at all? You'd drive yourself nuts with all the "what ifs" without any actual proof.
That’s Final Fantasy for ya. Can’t think of one where the gods aren’t up to SOME shady shit
AGREED
It's so weird seeing prompto's face on Verstael I know the story behind it but it's still weird to me
Yes, it is unsettling. Evil mad scientist Prompto. I prefer the goofy gun-toting Prompto.
I love that he's voice by Steve Blum lmao
Prompto was in fact cloned from Verstael's genes however his cells were diversified so he won't look like his creator in time.
I'm more concerned with the fact that he has old man Verstael's voice attached to that face. If Prompto's a clone of him, and he looks more the age of Prompto than old man Verstael, he should have Prompto's voice. Hearing the old man voice with the young face is pretty jarring.
@@christianhaegler4817 but Prompto isn't Verstael, they look the same but they're completely different characters in fact I think it would be more jarring for them to sound the exact same. I honestly thought they were going to change va, I'm glad they stuck with Blum.
I adore this ending. If anything, he is the victim of his brother's jealousy, saving his people at the cost of his humanity, and the Gods choosing to sacrifice a just man.
I like to imagine Verstael was just born with an inherently Evil laugh. Like he cackles that way even when he hears something legitimately funny.
I laughed way too hard reading this XD A five-year old Verstael running around and laughing like 50 year old maniac
Destroys a nation, plunges the world in darkness, murders the hero's (bland) lover, tortures said hero's best friend, all to make a mockery of the Light and the Gods and people that betrayed and abandoned him, turns out to be the Gods plan all along to destroy darkness forever.
I enjoyed FFXIV, but I'm conflicted on Ardyn's ranking as a villain in the series. At first, rather bland evil. More detail, monstrous evil. This comes out, Shakespearean tragic villain and the Gods are the real baddies.
Now I want another game that has Noctis and Ardyn team up to destroy the gods, then finally kill him and complete the plan solely because his existence was suffering.
The series will be called: Final Fantasy : god slayer
And both of the team up with kratos...haahahah
Joseph Lankford That was what Episode Lunafreya was going to be about, but unfortunately they cancelled Episode Aranea and Lunafreya, so it’s Dawn of the Future you’ll have to read to get that ending where everyone murks Bahamut.
here here!
Shakespeare
What's funny is that I'm here after reading Dawn of the Future (the other half of FFXV's story) and thats pretty much how it ends, everyone fighting Bahamut @Joseph
lol
This makes me feel like noctis should have just worked with him from the begining
i knew there's a feeling that Ardyn is innocent in all of this in FFXV.
Yeah. Like when Ardyn murdered Luna. Such an innocent act.
@@nicholasmendoza3550 he's being forced to by the gods
Not exactly innocent but not totally a monster either.
Even when he tries to resist he gets tortured to break his will.
After everything Somnus did to him, he still got the face to say all he did was for the greater good? And have that ‘I holier than thou’ attitude? Seriously, he disgusts me.
Out of all the things I love the conversations between Ardyn and Verstael. First it starts out with Ardyn being exasperated with Verstael and then twelve years later Ardyn is exasperating Verstael XD Also interesting that Verstael doesn't want Ardyn to get into the crossfire of the Niflheim and Insommian forces despite knowing he's immortal. They really are friends... or were.
I would do the same if i was him. Ardyn deserves every right to kill him
*spoilers*
Well, atleast he takes Noctis _with_ him as he dies...
Nah, I truly believe the darkness is twisting his memories and thoughts. Making him think that saomos was evil and did this out of selfishness. Saomos in ardyns memories and the one we actually see in the real world are like two different people.
@@KnightBX nope. The anime show his brother was indeed an asshole. In fact he was rounding up civilians and kill them while ardyn go around and cure people who was infected
TheBeauJOB no, that memory where he saw Somnus as jealous bitch was actually Ifrit’s memory as one of the Gods of that world. Ardyn was the actual chosen one, before Somnus take it by force. Bahamut is pretty much a flim-flam God who play around with his human toys, and when he saw Somnus had the power to beat Ardyn before and how he can manipulate their people into believing he’s the true chosen one, Bahamut changed the game and make Somnus the actual chosen king of light, while Ardyn becomes the king of darkness.
Somnus was probably at first was the intended king of darkness candidate in Bahamut mind, with all his jealousy toward Ardyn being blessed. But, Bahamut like switch the role because most people at that time already believed in Somnus lies, so Bahamut make that lies becomes the truth. If you watch the tendencies of gods behaviour on previous FF stories, they always choose the path of less resistance, the path where they can keep the most number of human followers. Now imagined if Bahamut keep Ardyn as king of light, many people will be torn to believe between Ardyn and Somnus, both will claim being chosen, many will end up staying with Somnus and end up straying from the path of light anyway and may end up forming a real strong anti-God faction that might have higher chance to produced heroes that might be able to oppose Bahamut’s godhood itself...remember that even one Ardyn with his power can subdue Ifrit, one of the gods of that land.
So, that’s how Bahamut decide to switch Ardyn and Somnus role, to pave the way of less resistance for his “ordained fate” to come to fruitition...Bahamut sides with whoever have the most believer at the time. Plus, Ardyn was a real pacifist, who don’t want to take life instead of giving life, you can imagined what’s on Bahamut’s mind when he saw the prospect of Somnus fighting Ardyn for the throne, if Ardyn was still the king of light, the dark Somnus might actually win.
TheBeauJOB Also when Somnus says he did what he did for the good of his people...he probably reallu meant it. He likely saw Ardyn being a pacifist king of light as something that’s not for the best for their people. It’s not a rarity for generals to believe pacifist ruler as bad for their people, because of how many threat could go unchecked due to ruler pacifistness.
I kinda want to see a Solomus DLC now just so we can see the gods tell him that because of his actions he damned his bloodline and prevented eternal peace from happening all because he was jealous that he wasn't chosen to be king.....I honestly feel bad for Ardyn especially since he wasn't a evil bad guy overall
When you live long enough to find yourself become the villain.
Episode Ardyn sure takes that meaning to a whole new level.
16:19 damnit promto shut up, the man's trying to enjoy his meal
LOL
You know, I actually think it would have been really interesting to see more of Verstael. He only appears in the main game for like one scene, but we learn quite a bit about him through Ep. Ardyn and Ep. Prompto. I love his interaction with Ardyn at the dinner table, where Verstael is just gushing about how amazing Ardyn is while the latter is practically despondent, lol. Verstael is an absolute nut, but I like that about him. From a logical standpoint he should be terrified of Ardyn, but he's not. He just thinks he's super cool XD
That moment when you realize a much more sweeter romance between Ardyn and Aera than between Noctis and Luna...
until 1:01:50 ;(
Ardyn precorruption looks like Jesus.
Think that's the point lol
As juxtaposed to Noctis (the King of Kings) Ardyn is meant to embody the Antichrist.
@@Heraldo_Del_Mar There's no such thing as the 'Antichrist.' 'AntiChrist' is originally just a term used to describe heretics and non-believers. Literally any non-christian is an Antichrist in the eyes of the early church founders. The meaning for the word just got twisted up in centuries of misconceptions.
@@Darkgun231 Hey I'm no religious nut. That fact I saw on the trivia for Ardyn's wiki.
Yeah he basically is but not lol he denies the gods and tries to help people instead of being a martyr (like Jesus) like the gods planed for him but since he heals people from the dark by taking it into himself he becomes more and more cold especially when the gods decide to make him out to be the devil to his own family lineage.
Why ardyn's episode is epic?
1. He has ifrit
2. He has the original prompto
3. His so overpowered
4. Sonmous.. (even if he betrayed his brother) kept calling him brother..
Really?
It was his destiny to be the villain. He was supposed to be the darkness in order for Noctis to be the true king.
Even though the gods blessed him with powers to be the savior in the first place. Talk about hypocritical!
Well that was depressing... So many questions about Ardyn's backstory all answered with a simple, "Cuz we say so"
and so it was ordained
Unfortunately you gotta read the rest of FFXV's story
(at least at this moment in time)
It's worth the read, that's all I'll say
We need ffxv in next-gen consoles
Sounds like you're trying to trivialize Ardyn backstory
Final Fantasy games used to put the backstories of characters like this into the main game itself. Its kinda' sad that people had to pay money for something that should have been included in the main game itself. Anyways, it was pretty good.
The game was piss poorly done. There was no organisation, no backup plan. It was all done in a scurry.
Ardyn did nothing wrong.
@Brandon Lester just like Garrosh
So why did he kill Luna?
@@anthonycolon2859 As an act of spite towards Noctis.
@@lesterramos6468 exactly! Noctis did nothing to him! The man who actually betrade him died many many ages ago. Why kill innocent people of Lucis who did nothing to you just because of a man who died ages ago? Ardyn basically killed people for no good reason at all. Why people say he did nothing wrong? Idk.
Rosa Bowden
At the point where Ardyn kills Luna, his mind has already been twisted by the betrayal, the Starscourge, and absorbing people’s memories.
Ardyn did nothing wrong to deserve the fate he got. But everything from when he fights Ifrit and onwards... he does do horrible things.
So let’s get this straight: the main villain is a victim of fate along with the hero, and because of that he decided to take his rage out on the royal bloodline and innocent people, not just out of spite for the gods and his sociopathic piece of shit brother, but because he was basically dragged into a distant future destiny for a thousands of years.
All of this talk about Noctis fulfilling his destiny, developing as a character, and becoming a true king as everything he loved was torn down, this WHOLE TIME, was just to satisfy the whims of an asshole god.
So this whole game’s ending becomes unsatisfying because I die killing a dude who was only evil in the first place because of OTHER assholes who ruined his life and who never even gave him a f*cking choice afterward but to die.
And apparently, we’ll never have a DLC that gives us the satisfying of giving Bahamut the Good ok’ Kratos style treatment because this game is an incoherent, underdeveloped, corporate mess?
Am I missing something here? Am I simplifying this? Because my first reaction to this was: “YOU’RE AN ASSHOLE BAHAMUT! I should have killed you all along!!”
Lol oh no you're upset that people can rise to a godly example of service and sacrifice whilst gods themselves can exhibit the most callous of human behaviours?
My heart bleeds for you.
OMG...poor Ardyn 😭 his fate is just so awful and painful...Love him a lot and feel so sorry for him...btw, thank you so much for the video!)
His and noctis fate were the same a fate that was unfair and pushed into them by the gods
It's made worse when you realise that 112 Lucian Kings had to have known there was a guy stuck on an island and NONE of them questioned it. King Mors, Noctis's grandfather, knew there was a guy being tortured on an island for 2000 years and ordered his kingsglaive to kill him if he escaped. And Mors has no idea who he truly is, and just buys the belief that he's evil. That's super messed up.
At 3:12 It felt like playing the beginning of Marcus’ part in Detroit
Glad im not the only one who had that vibe!
Versteal’s voice and looks are... way too different lmao
Ardyn happens to be one of my favorite characters to bad he had to be the bad guy
It sucks how he turned bad but I very much like him as the bad guy.
Sephiroth: Am i a joke??
This is a great argument as to why DLC should not exist. I completed FF15 and had no idea what was going on in the story, this and Promptos DLC fills in so many gaps it should have been in the main game.
Yeah, I'm fine with DLC filling in the gaps, but in Ardyn's case it completely changes how you look at him. It actually reminded me that I probably shouldn't buy FF16 until its clear what DLC comes out, so I can figure out if I need to wait for a complete edition. Kind of sad that that's where we're at now.
Gods discuss: " Hey , world're full of daemons hide in all people's body , let's hire a royal dude to absorb all daemons to save people "
" Ok job's done, world's at peace now "
" The dude should be chosen as King, cause he saved all people, take him in the crystal "
" Nah, he's not pure anymore cause he hold those daemons "
"Ardyn, you're fired ".
... That's kind of dick boss.
:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D God,sweety,your comment killed me...
Wait, so the bad guy is the one given the option to resist his fate decreed by vain gods?
...ok.
But whether he resists it or accepts it, it is bound to happen.
Dr. Smash are you fucking dense???? He isn't bad, he was forced by the gods to be bad even though he was a good guy
@@KanadeHaruhi yet he is fine with killing all those people in insomnia before he is told by bahamut what his fate is? Ardyn is not a good person. I'd advise you to look into determinism and some basic philosophy, determinism is the main theme behind XV. If you believe in free will as a concept then Ardyn is fully to blame for everything he does. If you believe in hard determinism then everyone eis blameless for everything, yes even Bahamut is blameless.
Sairagna
Well, not everything is black and white. Ardyn used to be a good person. And then he became a not-so-great person.
@@lahyte_5925 ardyn did a pretty big 180 though, his betrayal shouldn't have made him into a merciless killer of innocents if he really cared about people. The starscourge that he took unto himself mightve had something to do with that, the other Demons that succumbed to the starscourge like the emporor also became delusional and obsessed. It just pisses me off that people are willing to be so critical of Somnus when Ardyn has a far bigger body count. They're both pretty horrid human beings.
Samnus does look like a bit of Noctis hmmmm
so canonically , he submitted to his fate, so he fought Noctis knowing he will lose...God damn it sucks to be Ardyn
Yet if he resisted, he is sent back in time? to spread Darkness? so in the end, it only got worse...fuuuuck
Neither decision mattered, him resisting or embracing, since they both led to the same location and drive in the end. Which is sad given how much he's had to sacrifice already and how much more he'd have to up until the end of the game.
Ironically enough, Bahamut looks similar to Somnus & Noctis as well
The decision would matter canonically if the new dlcs weren't canceled.
Submit to fate = original ending
Resist fate = Dawn of the future ending where Ardyn teams up with Noct to kill Bahamut
@@heretic124 there was supposed to be another dlc???? Daaamn
@@b_is_alive FFXV director left Square Enix so they canceled them. But there's a book Dawn of the Future that describes the events of canceled dlcs as well as Episode Ardyn's story in greater detail. I'm reading it right now and came here to refresh my memory of what actually got into the episode.
i am sobbing. the way he says ‘I was the one chosen to be king?’ breaks my heart
I see one and only one major difference between 13 and 15 (aside from all the actual improvements from 13) and that... That's Fate people.
Lightning, Snow, Sazh, all of 13 really where able to defy their fate against gods.
But Noctis and Ardyn? They didn't even have a fucking choice. Not. One.
If only the Oracle survived...
Agreed. I like how different FF XIII trilogy and FF XV is.
FF XIII is all about defying their fates and turning their backs against their gods.
FF XV is all about accepting your fate, and no matter what you do, you will never escape it.
Episode Ardyn is definitely, but I'm here after reading Dawn of the Future... they definitely defied their fate(s) lol@@raizer1946 - so glad we finally got the other half of FFXV's story. I recommend it to everyone
So it would seem, I mean, Ignis is the anomaly however, which makes him so interesting, he changed everything, and changed the fate of everyone, saving Noctis, by using the ring himself, in the Ignis DLC, where in one of the timelines, he defeats Ardyn, Noctis finishes his task in the crystal, and banishes Ardyn, without having to sacrifice himself. This means Ignis is the only one in the final fantasy 15 universe to disobey the gods, and change the fate they had set out.
I am not surprised people have this stigma of good or bad. i always tell ppl its perspective. Once you get to know someones story you get to know why. The why is always the reason to the actions. More lack or Morals the more bad you can become. Different coping or some lack of feelings don't make you bad its certain actions that define who you are and what you become on the outside. inside the thing that drives you is what you really are.
People will make something more of it to have different definitions of Normal, Good, Or Bad. Some People will think you need to be religious to be good, Some think you have to be well mannered, Some think you have to have success or save others. Some people think curse words make you evil, Some think you having a lack of emotion means you are evil, Some think you liking rap or Black Metal makes you bad. People think killing someone makes you evil well then cops and the army would be evil. Defending yourself isn't evil. The issue is what people place on subconscious bias on what they believe from themselves on another and this is hard to break until you look at things from many angles and practice doing so.
I knew it was a reason for his actions just wanted to know why and glad they shown it.
Virgo I bet in the Ff worlds it’s a bit like star wars, where there isn’t actual good or evil, only the light and dark side of the force. In Ff there is only light and darkness, each side being neither good nor bad but for some reason in opposition to eachother.
@@Shmynkellbonkenstein That is actually an interesting way to look at their worlds now that you mention it.
It still doesn't excuse his actions is the problem, people always try so hard to defend evil deeds, it's really a shame because no one ever seems to want to defend good deeds anymore but are desperate for some reason to excuse the bad ones and unless you're a child you know the difference between right and wrong so you can shove that prospective nonsense, guess what? people who horrible things happened to can still be good people and not go around taking out their pain and ugliness on others, you don't get a pass just because you have bad s*** happen to you to do it unto others
THIS^. I don't think the Niflheim empire isn't as bad as the Lucians made it out to be because 1. They're enemies 2. Niflheim NEVER dehumanised Ardyn like the Lucians did. They could have, but they didn't. Also remember that the starscourge was infecting innocent people. Instead of torturing them like the Lucians, the empire celebrates them and they probably treated the ones who didn't want to infected too (besides where Verstael is involved).
I got the feeling that the majority of people who suffered in the imperial invasions were the royals. Yeah, there's some civilian causalities, but I'm almost certain that the Lucians racked up an impressive body count too. It's just that they were imperials and the Lucian government ran propaganda to make it look like the Lucian military is benevolent and defenders of the light.
@@maxredjasper55 So it makes it okay because they were "maybe" only experimenting on enemy soldiers? Right... and I guess Altissha was also just a weird coincidence of events, they didn't completely take that place over and kill the family that was in charge there, only managing to keep control the people and stop them rebelling because they kept key members alive to keep them subjugated, it's amazing the type of bull that people will try to defend, it makes me really glad this is fiction not that the garbage people try to defend in real life is any better, there's trying to see two sides and then there's just trying to make every excuse of a book for why no matter how shady it is just as bad if not worse than trying to defend the Empire from Star Wars, just stop. As I said no one ever wants to defend good deeds just look for ugliness in the good even if it's not the person who is at the the forefront who is currently doing anyting they'll literally breaking their spine trying to find excuses for the bad though, also if the Altissia thing didn't make it clear it wasn't only insomnia that had issues with the empire, they are an Empire because they took over and conquered multiple peoples who were already individual places which is obviously never good.
nobody ever talks about how Aera messed up by breaking her contract as oracle with the gods by telling somnus he was not meant to be king. Really everything is bahaumats fault but shes a close second.
16:16 Omg, Verstael you NERD
Is it just me but i'm hearing joker when he laughs...
Is it a coincidence that I got a horror movie ad before watching this? Ardyn would be the perfect horror movie villain.
"Pitiful creature of darkness... what kind of life have you know? God give me courage to show you you are not alone..." - Phantom of the Opera.
Poor, pitiful Ardyn.
I love it
2:43 he looked at his name like "yup thats me!"
Hmm...
I feel like there were parts of Ardyn that both wanted to defy the fate given him, and parts that conceded to his fate so that he could have his revenge and find his death. We see equal parts insanity likely brought from the starscourge, but we also see his aid and the like in the game with the chocobros, leading and helping them where they need to go.
The gods is all along now.This is f#cked up this character.
I really hate this world's gods, they are making him move like a puppet to play there stupid game. It's like he has no choice but play his role in all this.
@@sainttan Yeah, gods are shit. At least our G to the O to the D knows that he'd be a terrible leader and muck everything up if he tried to intervene directly, and just lets us humans do what we want, only bothering with us after we die.
So much moaning and grunting.
Friend thought I was watching porn at first
Lord doober de la goober
Someone on Tumblr actually put all of Ardyn’s moaning voice clips together and that’s exactly what it sounds like 😂
Someone finally said it 😂
I know, that's why I won't be playing this game on my tv. my mom is gonna be like WTF ARE YOU DOING?!
Glad I'm wearing headphones
His story is a whole lot worse after seeing the anime episode.
The good takeaway though is that Somnus got his shit together when he found out about Ardyn and his rage.
He got nothing together. He was unrepentant to the end and was only sad his brother suffered but still believed his actions were necessary.
@@EmptyMan000 He even admitted to his jealousy having fueled his actions in backstabbing his brother and usurping the throne. I mean....come on. If ppl call Ardyn evil, we must call Somnus evil.
@@rai4119 Somnus is the true definition of the "False King"
15:50
*slight spoilers for episode Prompto*
GOD, I CANT LOOK AT HIS FACE!!!! PROMPTO, BABY, STOP BEING EVIL!!!!
Poor Ardyn dealt a bad hand in life
Also, anyone else find Steve Blum's voice jarring coming from such a pretty boy face?
YES! It DOES *NOT* fit!
First FF villain to dethrone Kefka. Ardyn brings joy and dread to every seen.
When Ardyn said “is he dead?” Got me dying 😂
Don't fear the man who presumes evil, fear the good man who has his world destroyed
*Talk about a sibling rivalry*
People forget that the point of Ardyn's is that he had no choice and could not challenge his fate, which was decreed by the gods. He was a mortal and could not fight. Bahamut went with this convoluted plan to rid the world of the scourge and set Ardyn to be a sacrificial lamb for the True King who would also die. The evil Ardyn was forced to do was not his making.
1hour and 10mins of ardyn walking like he is drunk
Thanks for making this video. I really appreciate the time and effort.
1:02:44
I knew I seen him somewhere before but I wasn't sure until now. Even as an Astral, he looks the same.
Who?
@@sinac8
Spoiler warning below.
Bunevelzha from the Novas Nebula Chrysalles series. If you look at Bahamut's Sillouete as he disappears, he looks exactly like Bunevelzha during the FF13-3 boss battle.
Plus, when he said that everything that happens to mankind was preordained was a lie. If that were indeed true, then Ifrit would not have been surprised by Ardyn's Starscourge
Seeing as this Final Fantasy was supposed to be part of the Crystal storyverse, it's not surprising if Bahamut was really Bunivelze under another name in this reality
I think a lot of people would do the same, if they're in his shoes.. a god, telling you, you're just their plaything; even favoring the people who are true evil
Nope. Pretty sure I'd just sit and be sad or do other things to not listen to them but not go kill people...
Ardyn is tragic character, who wouldn't go bad after what he's been through. Prompto does look like Verstael.
A shame the other DLC were cancelled.
Out of all the "Episodes", the one I never understood was Nyx. I would have killed to get my hands on that one.
It was a good example of Olympian type gods that are selfish and scheming just like mortals. They never claimed to be morally superior only all powerful and mortals MUST submit to them
i just got done playing this myself it was so much fun! sad that they cancelled the rest of the dlc.
Who knew that you would meet your worst enemy at the begging of the game.
38:11 i want someone to edit out the dialogue so i can the ardyn theme
Talk about being a literal mirror, Somnus literally took the words out of Ardyns mouth.
Oh, yeah, definitely the gods's fault here. Had this DLC come out before the actual FF15 as a stand-alone game or prologue, I can imagine Ardyn being seen as the hero. After all, how many other fantasy games have a wrongfully deposed prince reclaiming his throne and wreaking vengeance on those who stole from and betrayed him? Most of them! So, really, Noctis is the villain all along!
Only Bahamut is the Villain. Rest are all puppets.
Nah man, Noctis is as innocent as Ardyn. They both did not deserves this fate. This so called “god” just played them like puppets, damn those Bahamut! I know now why Ifrit started a war to the other Astrals.
A villain could be a hero....! What a new idea
Each person is the "hero" of their stories!
So many fascinating lore about the world of FFXV, if only they would utilize it fully it would've made a great game.
Ardyn had every reason to be pissed at everyone
At 33:02 The woman with the blonde haiir nexr to shiva.... is that terra?
Aera: It seems to me the cure for your exhaustion is comprised of two things, one of which is rest
Ardyn: Oh? And the other?
Aera: Is me
Me and Ardyn: Awwwww........
That was so cute...
Lol, gotta say Arydn looks badass when he sits on the Lucian throne, just chilling and waiting for the King of Light's arrival.
sad that they made the game centered around despair and powerlessness
Hi there!!
Here after reading Dawn of the Future.
I can say, they shouldnt have cancelled those DLC... Dawn of the Future really answers everything
Sure you gotta read a book to know the other half of the story... but the story itself is phenomenal
Just wanna call him dark jesus
He's not Jesus. Ardyn is never Jesus and never will be him. Jesus is Holy and is full of light and truth and he's God's son and him and God are one, he's God. Jesus is all good and has no evil. Ardyn is fictional and he's not God. Jesus however is real an is God. Here's another truth and I pray you'll listen, Jesus had to go to the cross for our sins. For all of us, he couldn't be sinful and do that, he was and is forever sinless. Jesus was fully God and fully man. Jesus not only could, but did live his whole life without sin. 1 Peter 2:22 says, "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." 1 John 3:5 says, ". . . And in him is no sin." And also The sinless Jesus was a perfect sacrifice. We read that God sent His Son into the world (John 10:36). He was expressly sent to live a sinless life and die as a criminal to take on the penalty of sinners pardoning them for their sins. 1 Peter 2:24 explains: "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."This was God's plan from the beginning. He knew that we would need a redeemer. And God knew that without a redeemer an savior we were dead in our sins. Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." John 3:16-17, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."Jesus saves all who will receive His gift of salvation. Jesus saves all those who fully trust in His sacrifice alone as the payment for sin (John 3:16; Acts 16:31). While Jesus’ sacrifice was perfectly sufficient to pay for the sins of all humanity, Jesus only saves those who personally receive His most precious of gifts (John 1:12).God offers forgiveness to anyone and everyone who will repent and believe and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation. This includes those involved in any sin. Once salvation through Christ is received, God will begin the process of destroying the acts of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) and developing the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). Sometimes God removes our desire for a particular sin and other times He gives us strength to resist temptation. The process of transformation takes a lifetime. When we fail, God is faithful to forgive and cleanse (1 John 1:9). He is also faithful to complete His work in us (Philippians 1:6). The promise of a "new creation" is available to anyone who will trust in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). When Jesus saves us our past is gone our sins are washed away by his precious blood and we new creations in Christ Jesus📖🕊2 Corinthians 5:17-18 (KJV) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
Dude talking about Hella religion bout Jesus, hey this is a free county if he wanna call him dark jesus why not, Bible verses not necessary im sure he was talking about the story of Jesus. For all we know is the Bible you read is 100% correct 🤷♂️ we don't know but a great idea that it was tampered with especially with king James name behind it. So before you judge someone with all these bible verses there's a place for that and that is a church somewhere. If dude wanna say dark jesus l have no problem with it after all he is describing how ardyn character is✌ there is no need for all that bible verse crap
Gabrielle Vanderwolf wow that’s a lot to read
Thank you for sharing, Gamer's. I feel neutral on the story considering most of the story for this episode, as if I remember correctly Tabata mentioned in an interview that Bahamut becoming the antagonist was a last minute change to the story. Who is certain what the plot would be like if not for Tabata's choice he made with the Astral god, possibly stay true to the Anime epilogue.
The first game had us enticing with Ardyn's identity and lore for vengence just to see a simple revenge millenials to come now.
Hearing Starscream's voice from "Prompto's" face is so weird......
Just finished reading Dawn of the Future….OMG IF ONLY THEY CONTINUED WITH THE DLCS! WHYYYYY
BUT FCK IT, whatever it is, Dawn of the Future will always be canon for ME. That is how a true FF game should be.
Ardyn for Dissidia please!!!
This game should be called Bahamut the God of War
Ardyn got shafted by the gods for only wanting to help people fight the demons.
It still doesn't excuse his actions is the problem, people always try so hard to defend evil deeds, it's really a shame because no one ever seems to want to defend good deeds anymore but are desperate for some reason to excuse the bad ones and unless you're a child you know the difference between right and wrong so you can shove that prospective nonsense, guess what? people who horrible things happened to can still be good people and not go around taking out their pain and ugliness on others, you don't get a pass just because you have bad s*** happen to you to do it unto others
Ok I'm like a year late but....ARDYN LOOKS LIKE JET STREAM SAM BUT WITHOUT A FREAKING SCAR AND CYBORG BODY!!
But... Why did the gods want such a dark thing to happen to the world? They just enjoy playing with kings like they are puppets or what? Why did Bahamut set this fate to Ardyn and Noctis just to see they die and bring the world into devastation together with it ? This game left me so scared and the more I look for awnsers more questions start to appear.
because that bahamut is villains from final fantays 13 part 3 final boss
So ardyn knew all along that he would be killed by noctis and just had to continue playing the bad guy as said by the gods...damn i feel sorry for ardyn
He's not playing along tho, he's simply trying to fight his destiny. He knows that he is about to be sacrificial lamb, but he planned to fight his destiny by spreading starscourge, spread darkness and lure the king of light so that he can kill the king. He said so in 1:04:00
Somnus looks like he’s from fire emblem lol
I kept getting distracted by Verstael’s face cause it’s prompto’s face model it so weird 😭 I know lore wise it makes sense but like seeing this twink with this deep voice is so ridiculous
9:20 y ardyn breathing down my earhole like that
What if the Gods altered Ardyn destiny because his brother usurp his throne. Since Ardyn has absorbed the Startscourge and gain immortality, yet he is suffering through out millennia, and even the Gods could not purge the Startscourge on their own permanently. They see this as solution to relief Ardyn of his torment of immortality and at the same time get rid of the Startscourge.
See i can't believe that since they were the one's who gave him the power to cure it to begin with. It was like they knew what he would do. They problem had everything planned which is why bahamut interfered when he did and not before
Those Astrals are not real gods in my eyes. The real Gods never ask for blood sacrifices like those required by Bahamut, especially to doom oneselve's own soul and to doom 99% of world's population. I suspect Bahamut is the one who created or brought the Starscourge to Eos in order to fulfil his own agenda. And the civilization of Solheim must have been ended because I suspect the Solheimees did somehow learn about the Astral's intents and tried to stop them.
What if, in reality, Ifrit was on Solheim's side and later after his defeat, the Cosmology stories were written to demonify him like the one who almost destroyed the first humanity generation?
Alvin Lim Remember, everything is preordained, Bahamut stated this himself during the defy fate ending. With that in mind, this being an alternate decision to rectify the outright horrible hand dealt to Ardyn is a nice but unlikely.
How much of that prologue was actually byproduct of a delusional and corrupted mind?
Is that you, Obito?
Holy hell, Versatel looks so much like Prompto!
I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted the tone of your comment, but......have you seen the Prompto DLC?
(I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not is all)
@@Maidenstear Yeah, I know Versatel is Prompto's dad, i'm just saying because he's younger in this DLC he just looks a lot like Prompto
@@kels-chan5660 oh, okay, my bad. Sorry!
@@Maidenstear No, it's alright 😊
Uhh, yeah. Promti is a clone, along with the MagiTek soldiers
When you find out gods and somnus were real villain and not Ardyn.
P.s: Somnus is a shameless bastard
Does this take place before the movie or is it separate from the movie
19:25 "allegedly shiva sank in a deep slumber in the rift of vogliupe"
What do you mean allegedly, you see her frozen body by the train windows...