Star Trek VII: Generations - Nostalgia Critic
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- Two of the greatest Starfleet captains of all time making eggs! SOLD!
Originally aired on January 31, 2012.
Star Trek Generations is a 1994 American science fiction film directed by David Carson and based on the franchise Star Trek. It is the seventh film in the Star Trek film series, and brings together cast members from the original 1960s television show and Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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I know I'm gonna get flack for this, but whether or not you find Data annoying, I do believe he gave a very ACCURATE performance. If you had never felt emotions before and suddenly had them all in full force, then 1) you'd find the sensation fascinating and you'd want to explore it further, and 2) you'd have trouble controlling them.
Jacob Friedman given, but spiner did a bad job conveying that.
I think it's a very interesting psychological experiment, for all of us to watch. It is a way to see something standing in another persons shoes; I find it interesting how they show what it would be like to experience emotions when it is a new thing. Plus, it was supposed to be funny or amusing, in several scenes, on purpose. It's what makes this movie such a gem. ("Life forms" jingle ... hehehehehe. My favorite!)
I'm more or less a robot 99% of the time but if i smoke weed all of a sudden a start feeling emotions and that's more or less how I react as well so i guess your right. I never actually really thought about it like that, but you're right
It's a testament to Brent Spiner's incredible talent that he was able to perform a poor script that was given to him so brilliantly. I don't fault him, only the writers.
It was a little overdone, but I did not always mind it.
Captain James T. Kirk lived his life on the bridge. Then he died under a bridge.
Hahahahahahahahahaha
It went from Captain on the Bridge to Bridge on the Captain
Red apparently Shatner wanted to crack that exact joke!
I can see him just saying: all my life i have spent on the bridge, and now to be ended (by or under) it. How fitting
Jonathan Hirst Ouch
Kirk's first appearance on Star Trek begins with him on the bridge and his last appearance ends with a bridge on Kirk. ^_^
You have murdered me with laughter! Expect to hear from my attorney. XD
+David Wolf PROMOTE THIS COMMENT TO TOP COMMENT!
David von Doom I guess they dropped a bridge on him
Richie Sahlin Generations was a "bridge" between TOS and TNG.
But his true last words were, "where's the Orion girl?"
I love how there's no other ship in the middle of Earth's solar system. Last time I checked, that was the heart of the Federation. There should have been dozens of ships.
More like Middle Earth's solar system. Get it cuz Sauron
Probably closer to hundreds
It's just that the emergency beacons from the U.S.S. Gondor were activated and Captain Aragorn had to take all the ships he could with him- ok I went too far with this joke, shame on me u.u
I still think there's never more than 2 ships active at any given time.
I still think there's never more than 2 ships active at any given time.
It's not Picard's brother and nephew you're supposed to connect to, it's Picard. He is the _last_ Picard. He never had children of his own, since his brother had continued the family line. The Picard family line was filled with explorers and adventurers...after Jean Luc dies, there will be no others.
Agreed.
Watch the new Picard series deal with Picard having had a kid just after Nemesis but now the kid in his 20s hates his Dad...
True. Despite Picard's age, he could still have kids.
Also, while we didn't spend a great deal of time with them, the episode they appeared in, Family, is a series classic that any fan will immediately remember as pivotal for the character.
I'm only going to point out the one problem in your statement. The Picard family wasn't filled with explorers. The one episode that featured his brother and nephew. While they're there, they discuss why jean Luc left to do starfleet. His brother couldn't understand why jean luc wasn't like him or their father. The Picard family was filled with FARMERS, not EXPLORERS. Jean luc was the black sheep of the family. Other than that, I think you could be right. For me though, it's just feeling his pain for brutally losing all of his family. Don't go into feeling pain for losing a legacy. Have you ever heard of a person having lost their family mourn, 'oh, no! My family legacy is over! We were so great!' No! It's just the pain of losing their family! Sheesh.
Kirk's last words were "That was fun. Oh my."
that's Shatner for you
Superboy's last words were "Isn't it cool?"
Cody Hines Man I remember reading that shit it made me cry.
Oh my
“Oooooooohhhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyy” - Mr. Sulu
You can't forget that the emotion chip actually came from the tv series. So the fact that it is in the plot is acceptable.. (And of course, it leads to the "Lifeforms" song, wich is awesome)
and while it may seem like they are different chips, the original was stated as being damaged at the end of that episode, so the shape we now see may just be the crude repairs necessary to have it functional again. (and the quality of said repairs could be the source of data's worry about it overloading his neural net)
It’s just annoying that 7 several years of build up led to Data just making an ass of himself in this movie.
And Critic makes fun of him finding Spot but like, with the show and the movie that is a very emotional scene. Especially for Data
The Lifeforms Song is the best! Even better, Brent was supposed to simply hum while he scanned for lifeforms but he improvised and sang words instead. Leading to genuine reactions from the rest of the bridge.
Rest in peace James Horner, composer of "KHAN! KHAN! KHAN! KHAN!...KHAN! KHAN! KHAN! KHAN!..."
12:35 - It has been very well established over and over again that transporter beams cannot penetrate forcefields and shields. That´s kinda part of the reason they have shields in the first place.
And I´m not even a Trekkie.
lol. IF you know that much, it's no insult that you ARE.
@@joshgellis3292 I shall spell it out more clearly for you: playing attention to what you are watching does not automatically make you a superfan of the show. It just makes you a person with an attention span a little higher than Finding Nemo's Dory. If you could not figure out why a spaceship has shields... Well, shame on you, perhaps?
BTW: If I actually were a Trekkie, I might even be able to tell you in detail how a transporter works and why the shields would prevent you from using Said Transporter. But since I am not, I can only ask you to pay more attention when you are watching a fictious show next time.
@@dasspielmobil6161 sometimes I like watching Doug's videos to see how many people get butt hurt over his opinions in the comment section
@@Tree_e888 If that comment was directed at me, I have to disappoint you. Pointing out obvious errors and being butthurt are two completely different things. Now, if I WERE a proper Trekkie, I MIGHT bei butthurt If someone mistreated my beloved franchise. But I consider myself more of a Star Wars Guy with an expanded interest in general science fiction 😆
Is there a class system? Trekkie/Trekker/Trekest?
Gotta say, the downplaying of Picard's only living relatives dying when he feels like family is the one thing that is missing from his life. The play is to have the audience empathize with Picard, which the audience should know fairly well. The play is not have the audience necessarily care about the loss of those characters directly.
Kirk: "This is not my beautiful house."
Picard: "This is not my beautiful wife."
you may ask yourself how did I get here...
Same as it ever was.... Same as it ever was...
Aaaaaas the days go byyyyyy...
Letting the water hold me up ...
Letting the days go by...
The reason Soran didn't just get a ship and wait in the path of the nexus was explained in the movie. The anomaly that functioned as the door has a tendency to rip ships apart and killing everyone on board before they get into it.
+NobodyImportant I never watched this movie, so I didn't know that part. So how exactly did Kirk survive to get into the Nexus into the first place? Wasn't he ripped from a ship? And how did Soran and the others survive their first encounter with the Nexus?
Martiangrl86
The hull of the ship got ripped open and he was lucky enough to get thrown in by the decompression. The same likely happened to Soran and the others their first time in.
The rescue at the start of the movie was a suicidal attempt to get in knowing that they would almost certainly all die. The later plan was safer for those wanting to enter.
@@Martiangrl86 Nobody knew Kirk was still alive in the Nexus. They assumed everyone was dying when the ships exploded. The El-Aurians probably could have surmised they would survive. Soran would not tell anyone because he was crazy and wanted the Nexus all for himself.
Yes, but then like 2 trek reviewers brought up: Then why the hell not just, beam into the path of the nexus in a space suit??
You, uh, can't beam through shields...
i get that in a sci-fi or fantasy setting you can make up magic/magic like technology, but you have to make up a system of rules for it and then stick to those rules. it always bugs me when people conistently break their own rules constantly like that. still like Star Trek TNG though
@@arthas640 He's correcting NC, not the movie.
@@jp3813 There are many videos on youtube compiling the inconsistencies of Star Trek shows, there are many. Especially when they mention distance, time and velocity. Such as in ST:V they travel to the center of the galaxy and back in a couple days, Voyager would take 70 years to travel to the center and back to earth. Star Trek needs correcting more than the NC does.
@@bartistclord1916 The OP only concerns this video.
First Contact would like a word with you
One of the few more consistent rules in Star Trek is being unable to beam trough force fields.
Scotty would have loved that in "Relics" 😅
@@ShamrockParticle The shields of the Jenolan was fluctuating due to being crushed by the big door, probable that the Enterprise could beam through those holes.
@@djargus yup hence why it was considered dangerous and risky
The reason why I think Robierres death works is because Picard, a character we've come to know as emotionally disciplined and in control of himself is suddenly broken. Not by the Borg, not by some Vulcan Vulcan emotional bonding but by normal loss. In all actuality this is the first time we be seen him break down due to loss.
13:17 They answered that in the film; every ship that's gone near the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged, and Soran can't be sure if he'll end up in the Nexus before any shuttle he catches blows to pieces. They say this in the very scene where Picard and Data figure out Soran's plan; a scene you showed earlier in the review.
But like the correct Linkara pointed out.... Dude can just beam into empty space where he knows the Nexus will be with a space suit. Or what, the dude can't wait maybe 10 minutes?
Surprised no Cerebro joke was made during that scene with Picard and Data in the spherical room
Whew! We barely avoided a sequel, "Star Trek Generations: The Search For Spot"
"Star Trek Generations: Allergies On the Bridge." "Star Trek Generations: Picard and the Litter Box."
you say that as though it wouldn't be amazing
Barely avoided? Reminds me of "near miss." See
th-cam.com/video/46fOtLfYC4Q/w-d-xo.htmlm48s
I'd watch that.
The Nexus...............
Where you get to modify your Fallout and Skyrim games. =D
Souji Monaru And what you have to defend in League of Legends
Zane Rahabi and what you go into on ratchet and clank
And that place from Star Trek Generations
Zane Rahabi i can't think of anything else but nexus seems to be entirely to used
:D Someone gets it!
My Favorite lines from this Review.
"OH! I Hate this! It's revolting!"
"More?"
"Yes please."
That's how Captain James T. Kirk died...!? The hell! That was weak.
Well I'm sure everyone from the cast wanted William Shatner to die in a horrible way but...the budget was as tight as his uniform XD
He died how he knew he always would. Alone. Without his friends at least.
He wan't alone. Picard was with him. That's the kicker.
Still considering all the shit he has been through one would expect him to die of an alien infection on his genitalia rather than crushed by a hunk of metal, but at least he was mildly useful one last time XD
He was supposed to die on the bridge (which was the other way he always knew he would die), the screenplay writer just had a _really_ stupid definition of that.
Also the whole scenario was weak, Picard needs _THE_ JAMES T KIRK to...help him punch an old dude? That's it?
Hmmm I get it seems like an odd moment the death of Picard's family, but his entire character is he resented his family. Rejected them. Picard did love his family legacy, but not what they'd become; technology hating, agoraphobes whom had no adventurous spirit. He spurrned them as a teen joining the academy. Picard has an Ego. He saw himself as special. He never had kids, he was destined for great things. He adores his position, proud of his accomplishments, but always dreamed of having a family. living a simpler, anochronistic life. His character is one of the best, subtle characters built up over 7 series in a show. He's enigmatic, but they clearly demonstrate how conflicted he is with family throughout. He's initially cold to children. Because he wanted to be a father, but it would tie him down. He loves Beverley Crusher and sees himseld as a father figure to her son, but his Duty, his choice killed Wes' Father. . this entire Movie advances Picard beyond his hangups to be more badass in later movies
The interplay between Picard and Kirk occurs in full Uniform too, a subtle reminder that this is a fantasy reality, that their obligations, their passions and goals were to starfleet above a complacent life. A parallel to reality that family and self growth is important, but we have a duty, an obligation to society. To place our input and make our mark on history. We wish we could go back and frolic those hours away with our loved ones. Spend days in bed whispering sweet nothings, but we chose this life we lead. That we have an obligation to the future. The Legacy we leave. Anochronistic like Picard's fantasy or Realistic like everyone he cared about on the Enterprise dying, or th people of Amagosa whom had lives now moot because of a fantasy. This film was so deeply underaspprecia
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@@joegrimes9232 I think you are looking too deep into this, especially with Captain Kirk’s cheap death.
15:02 "Time for a game of disappearing bears."
dragongirl2319 "OH THE CASUALTY OF WAR!!!"
Too soon.
ThIs Is NoT oVeR...
BEARS!
The Tom and Jerry - scream at 20:12 XD
The first Star Trek movie I saw and I still do love it. Even with its problems I can go back and watch this anytime and never get bored.
16:57 - By the time NC said that line, all of the sudden, his brain has been 'magically beamed' out of his skull, heading towards a whole new realm where the answer to life, the whole universe and everything is 42. His vessel, shortly after the 'beaming', briefly holds his stance a little bit longer and then slumps on the table, completely still and lifeless.
Two points of order:
1. shields generally prevent transporter function
2. it was mentioned in the movie that flying into that "ribbon" with a ship is dangerous and you either die or get into the Nexus - Sauron ;) just wanted the 100% guaranteed way of course changes (however stopping stellar fusion would not have changes the gravitational effects of a star, so... )
How can a holo-Deck make water? What happens if you swallow that water?
So many questions...
Easy: Stuff like water or food wouldn't be "holographic matter" but would be produced by replicators.
The expanded universe and novels establish that you can eat and drink holograms, and is done so often recreationally, though the holographic consumables cease to exist when you leave the Holodeck as though you had eaten nothing and do not provide any nutritional value. There are different opinions on the notion of replicated matter in the Trek Universe.
How can there be people on the ship and in the water at the same time? Isn't that, like, taller than the holodeck is?
Matthew Laurence so...what about sex with a holograpb
Nathan Ross Many shows have poked fun at that idea. Star Trek itself is yet to touch on the issue. My guess is, yes you can.
Would it have made Kirk and Picard's breakfast more epic if captain Janeway and commander sisko came over for brunch.
Wait was Geordi kidnapped often? I mean I do remember a few episodes where he was kidnapped like the one where the Romulans kidnap him and brainwash him to kill a Klingon but did it happen more often than I thought.
I will not lie, I think this film is underrated.
Good Points: The humor with Data, Kirk and Picard teaming up, the action, Malcom McDowell, The opening, Data's Life Forms song.
Bad Points: The boring exposition, the pointless Klingon villains, Killing off Kirk (I heard he came back in some Star Trek novels), The part where Picard first goes into the Nexus (Seriously, who has that many kids? Extended family maybe? Don't know or care), Kirk's inconsistencies as a character (which the Critic points out at 18:35-18:45), the inconsistencies with the uniforms (they keep switching from the TNG ones to the DS9 ones with no explaination or acknowledgement. Pick one design and stick with it, don't keep flip-floping)
Also two points he misses in the review:
12:38- You can't beam into a force field, it is a fact of the show.
13:05-13:15- They explain in the movie why he doesn't do that, the ribbon would tear his ship apart.
"Picard to Farragut"
"What'chu call me!!??"
Funny stuff!
one movie that needs a full review is Star trek First Contact
for Many reasons:
1. it has a Beautiful score
2. the action is fun and intriguing
3. the use of the song "magic carpet ride" is terrific
4. it is the feature film return of the Borg since Their appearances on Tng episodes
those reasons and many others
There is something comforting about these old critic videos. I cant believe I was watching these in highschool God time flies
wait a minute. The emotion chip? but in one episode they burned the thing out! damn you non-canonical convenience!
????? What episode?
It's weird how horrifically bad this movie is and how great TNG the series was.
***** It's like watching a TV episode in widescreen.
BrotherJosephus Yeah, when I saw it I was thinking this was a lost 2 part episode they decided to finally do and decided to put it on the big screen. Such a waste.
***** In the cinema they tried to make commonplace action flicks that would appeal to the most generic public they could think of, thence the focus on action and bad jokes, while the TV series (like the original series, even though some notches above their depth) tried to be more thoughtful, in keeping with what Star Trek should be about. That's why for me the only good cinema movie of Star Trek out there is the first (V'Ger) one. And yes, I'm ready for all the hatred I'm gonna get for that, but that's how I feel. The only other mildly good one was The Undiscovered Country. The Wrath of Khan was a denigrating ripoff of the original Khan episode, with Montalban's acting being the only good thing in the whole movie, and the others only went downhill from there.
Alexandre Martins I totally get what you're saying. I've always thought it strange that the film writers never really sought to mine the series for stories. There were so many possibilities to pick up where episodes left off. I do disagree with you on TWOK, however, partly because it did what I just said above: picked up from an episode, partly because it did it so well (humanizing the characters made all the difference given the aging of the actors), and partly because that film likely saved the entire franchise.
Yes, in this regard I fully agree with you. Actually, I like it better than the others, except for STTMP and STTUC.
There's also the Sorren from Legend of the Guardians: the Owls of Ga'Hoole.
Speaking of which, please review that.
There's also the Soren from Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn and the Sorrel from Dragon Rider by Cornelia Funke.
Is that the movie where Church-Owl Hitler wants to take over the bird world?
Also Soarin from My Little Pony.
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Yes!
That scream when Kirk is flying down the mountain strapped to the bridge 😂😂😂
Picard’s nephew and brother actually ARE established characters appearing in the second episode of the 4th season “Family”. Considering how it comes immediately after the series’ first two parter (and is very connected to said two parter) I imagine they felt most audiences had seen it
This was the first Nostalgia Critic video I ever watched. Memories.
1:20
My friend laughed that Sulu has a kid, but George Takai is gay. Why is it people always assume that characters portrayed by actors and actress' must follow the same sexuality? Someone once said that Dory and Marlon shouldn't happen because Dory's voice actress is a lesbian. WTF goes through peoples minds?
George was closet at the time
That means they didn't know
Well, turns out Sulu is gay too, in the JJverse at least.
+Taskis I respect Takei's opinion but honestly don't see what the big deal about Sulu being gay is.
+ViridianLoftwing The JJVerse strayed far from the original long before Sulu was depicted as gay.
4:40
In the movie's defence, the motionnal chip was first introduced in the later seasons of The Next Generation serie.
It was a Brent Spiner centric episode as he played both Data, his brother Lore and their creator, Dr Soon.
In the episode, Soon gave Data the chip with plans to pursue this plot later on in the show but it was cancelled before they could. So they added it in the movie instead.
Eggs + toast + Kirk & Picard = parts of a complete "Trekfast"
I know I'm really, reeeeeealy late for this, but that scene in the cool blue room we never see again goes as such:
"Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
"Our records indicate that every ship that has approached the ribbon has either been destroyed or severely damaged".
So...there's that...
"Picard to Faraget"..."what'd you call me!?" Oh man that struck me funny for some reason lol. Another thing about this movie that makes no sense is the fact that they basically made a alternate universe when they came out of the Nexus. Since time has no meaning inside it, Sauron is actually still in there. He won despite them going back.
Who's to say that the Nexus didn't simply give Picard something more complex to enjoy. (this would mean that everything post-Generations is a Nexus product meant to keep Picard from realizing that he hasn't really left)
Its actually supposed to be Farragut, after United States Navy Admiral David Glasgow Farragut. Just don't mind me I'm just an asshole on the internet with OCD replying to a three year old comment.
@@darthrizi7340 it was also kirk's first assignment
I know it’s been a decade, but please cover the even-numbered films!
20:12, I'm surprised he didn't go with the Goofy scream.
Actually Spot the was a big part of Data’s character
2:00 that line works in-universe and out.
This ruined the whole ending of Star Trek VI. It was a perfect way for the crew of TOS to go out. They road off into the sunset, and then the actors signed their names in the ending credits. The end! We did not need to know how any of them died!
think that's all? Bones was on the Enterprise at the end of the first TNG episode and Scotty in some kind of alien sphere.
I got the Sauron X-Men reference… god, I'm such a nerd
NNEEEERRRDD!!!!!!!
Im surprised he considered it an obscure reference. The cartoon that tons of people watched as a kid did a two part episode in the badlands(?) featuring Sauron and Mr. Sinister among others. If you liked x-men or dinosaurs or both it seems like it would be pretty memorable.
Lol
I actually laughed at that because I actually knew who Sauron was lol
Me to... Damn i had a weird childhood
2:38 - should be in real movie. Made my day.
20:05 That’s almost exactly what Dr.Strange did!
Ah Data, pushing off Beverly was my childhood dream. Well done.
Boomer/Spot Will Live
So.... When is Doug going to review the 'even' Star Trek films?
Oh goodness. I almost died laughing. Not the best way to go while at work. "You're my hero."
Actually, we saw Picard's family in the episode... Family, when they helped Picard get over his assimilation into the Borg collective, so... for the fans of the series, we knew them and were aware of their importance to Picard. Oh and technobabble is one half of the fun with Star Trek.
Imagine if there was a scene set 600 years in the future, where they show some _very_ surprised astronauts from Veridian IV.
I really like this film. I love Data in the movie (I found him hilariou), I like the plot, I like the Kirk/Picard dynamic, I like the Klingon sisters, I liked Geordie's kidnapping. I think it's wonderful
'All hands, brace for boobity boobity!' LMFAO
I actually like Generations.
12:40 I hate to be a Linkara here, but its pretty well established that its impossible to beam anything through a shield/force field. In fact, beaming anyone/anything during a combat scenario is generally seen as pretty risky because you have to drop shields to do so.
I don't know why, but I laugh at this every time... 21:41
Same
I personally have always liked William Shatner, and George Takei is known for spreading vicious lies about him, so...
Bone Collector source for that, or just an opinion? As much as I like Shatner, he was known for being a douchebag in the Trek era.
But, his accusations were confirmed by other cast members later on. Leonard Nimoy, was big on letting people know what kind of douchebag Shatner was on and off set. The same with Douhan and Nichelle.
Maybe, source your “viscous lies” accusation, from someone other than Shatner, or people who need his good graces for continued fame/income.
"I've analysed Generations with a team of Scientists..."
BirdsElopeWithTheSun And what is your final analysis?
What did they say?
Top men? Top...men.
What's the analysis damn it?
oh.
We meet Picard's family in the show after his encounter with the Borg, he goes home to reconnect with his humanity and they died. Plus the uniforms are undergoing a transition from TNG to DS9 which is going on during this movie.
nostalgia critics misery amuses me
It amuses us all.
Captain Picard and Kirk never left the Nexus.
16:29 hello boom mic's shadow *waves*
"Picard to Farragut."
What'd you call me?
omfg lol
Personally, I think Data pushing Crusher off the ship was hilarious
2:39 that part killed me :D
Come to find out,the"Nexus"she was talking about,was her kissing Demi Moore in Ghost.
"Federation we destroyed another ship"
"Do you have to do that every time we give you one!"
6:06 I GOT THAT REFERENCE! I AM HARDCORE!
I can go one better! I know where that picture comes from!
you cant beam inside a force field or shields... thats obvious
Thank you.. Saved me from having to comment about that fact as well. :D
Captain on the Bridge? Bridge on the Captain.
I love how in one shot Data is talking to Dr. Crusher on the sea ship and then he shoves her and it cuts to Lyta Alexander from Babylon 5 wearing the same outfit falling into the water. Movie magic!
21:30 idk why i just bust a gut laughing at Dougs squeal lol
Got a like for the "you're my hero" XD
He forgot to mention data's best line: "oh, shit!"
The uniforms in this movie pissed me off. I get that they were in the process of changing the TNG uniforms with the DS9 uniforms, and they probably had a lot of the former lying around, but is it really that hard to get new uniforms for everyone?
They Did make new Uniforms specifically for this movie but they were dropped at the last minute.
Starfleet2360 I remember because when the film changed uniforms, the Playmates Trek figures had the new versions of them!
I've seen the same situation with military uniforms... apparently you don't get the new version until your current one becomes too aged.
I remember being embarrassed and actually appalled at this movie. I still am.
Someone go fetch me a drink, cause I'm Firsty!
God damm it that's a good one
Brett Constable Never thought I'd see the day when I would see a funny first comment.
Christian Diaz lol it really is
Brett Constable
Best first comment ever.
It's not exactly original, but whatever.
"Data can we blah blah blah the technobabble? Maybe, if we yadda yadda yadda, there's a chance it will boomity boomity. It is very unlikely that it will homona homona, but will give it a shot, and course it'll work."
Lmao. 13:34
Since this was only set a few years after the TNG ep relics, I always wonder if Picard told Scotty about Kirk's real death or if he went on believing he died saving the Enterprise B?
14:49 Anybody notice how the little girl threw the bear at the ground when being picked up?
''They tried forcing my name to Toby.." Lmao! This man is a fool!
4:00 Okay what happened? I think I missed something but did Star Trek just go from spaceship to 1700's people on a boat?
Darkling276 So that's what Holodecks do? Simulations? For awhile I thought the Holodeck was either where they went to control the spaceship or where the holograms project from. Never seen a Star Trek episode or movie.
+Eugene how the hell does holodeck equal the bridge?
Michael Garofalo Like I said, I've never seen Star Trek before.
+Eugene I know but mate common ship lingo is that bridge = main control centre
Michael Garofalo Good point. I associated the "ship" with an airplane. Probably should have though about that.
This movie was the product of a period when Next Generation was really running out of steam. In its last season, a lot of the writers had already left for Deep Space Nine or the soon-to-premiere Voyager. The remaining writers seem to have struggled to produce enough scripts for a season AND a series finale AND a movie slated to come out just six months after the series wrapped. The series finale worked out brilliantly. The regular season is mostly remembered for some infamously strange episodes: ideas that either needed some reworking or should have just been discarded. And the movie became... this.
It didn't help that, by the time they were shooting the movie, the actors were also very tired.
Too bad Hollywood will not adapt the books that Shatner wrote set in a different timeline that also features Picard and Kirk. Since the Kelvin timeline exists it is possible. And honestly the best TOS and Next Generations crossover was with Scotty. Especially when he teaches La Forge.
"Do you mind a little advice? Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now and they want it their way. But the secret is to give them only what they need, not what they want."
Also in fairness Picard was completely against bringing children on a star fleet starship if I recall. He's the type that is a father figure to his crew but at the same time not an asshole like Kirk is. He knows when he needs to be a captain.
I remember a bunch of friends and acquaintances went to see the same showing as I did when this came out, and this one particular dude, who for some reason I'd run into for the second time at the same theater for another movie, was once again standing outside the theater criticizing how badly the crash scene looked. He said, had the people who'd done Star Wars done it, it would have looked more realistic. Special Effects provided by Industrial Lights & Magic. It was my first experience with the proto version of what would one day become The Internet Troll.
My favourite of all the Star Trek movies. Yes, it's cheesy and hokey and has some plot issues, but seeing it for the first time at age 15, I loved it - and I wasn't much of a Trekkie. You don't have to have a brilliant script when you have familiar, likeable characters and you occasionally give them something interesting to do. That isn't always the case here, but I've seen far worse science fiction movies than Generations. I like that they explored more of Data's character and made him different from the TV series. They did a lot of things right with this movie, but it does have its drawbacks as described above.
2:47 Nostalgia Critic has a good point! There is *NO* scenario that i can imagine, where Kirk doesn't have a plan.
10:10 sounds like a lot of the teachers at my school.
You tiny little lifeforms. Where are you?
Bee-doo doo doo doo Beep. Beeeeeeeep.
The crash scene here is much better than in the new film.
Tahu Nuva i'm afraid to say this, but the crash scene is better in beyond.
Even though this is still great, even if the only trek movies I've ever seen is the reboot trilogy. You can't take seriously the old ones... especially (you will be all shocked trekkies) wrath of khan: for me Benedict cumberbatch's khan is more threatening than Ricardo montalban but both of them give a good performance. Also the vengeance is more powerful and good looking than the reliant. And the warp battle is more exiting than the mutara nebula. Of course this is my opinion, and I can avoid the plot holes.
I liked Benedict's Khan, but i felt that he was trying too hard to be menacing, and he didn't really feel human, unlike Montalban's Khan. But i respect your opinion.
Why are you reading my nickname? I kinda agree with you, I've never seen wrath of khan, I saw the ship battles on TH-cam, but I found them boring in confront of the drop scene from the j.j. Star Trek. In those scene the fact that Ricardo montalban was human, for me, it makes him less menacing. Benedict cumberbatch is a calculating, power hungry superhuman who wants revenge against Marcus and the federation and shows in a scene his emotional side for his crew, which justifies his behavior in "into darkness".
Also, I don't know if I mentioned it before, but Benedict's khan at least could achieve one of his two goals: taking revenge on Marcus in a very gory way, but couldn't still take revenge on the federation.
Ricardo montalban on the other side had the goal of having revenge against Kirk, and I bet my ass that Spock's death wasn't in his plan.
Sorry if I'm hard now, but I consider jj abrams' Star Trek the best Star Trek movie ever, then it's up to you to decide.
G'night
No hard feelings, to each their own.
That "Spot will live" scream gives me life.
This was actually the first Star Trek film I ever saw. It was playing around xmas time when I was a kid and had only really seen a few episodes of TNG by that point. It's actually one of my favourites of the film franchise. :)