Star Trek: The Motion Picture - re:View
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- It's the team up you've all been waiting for! Dry and sarcastic meets dry and sarcastic! Two dull, unfunny, elderly men talk about an old, dull, dry film. WHAT COULD BE BETTER THAN THAT KIDS?!?!?!? Seriously though, Mike and Jim love Star Trek The Motion Picture. It's mainly because they are dry, dull, and elderly.
"For some reason the Enterprise is the only ship able to reach it" - the plot of every Star Trek movie
When other ships are able to reach it, they don't make Star Trek movies about it.
Other ships know the Enterprise crew have a death wish
Still the most hilarious event was the Enterprise and the Big Black Dick Ship in "Star Trek: Into Darkness" having a space battle in Earth's Atmosphere. Like really where the fuck is everyone else? How are they allowing this to take place? It would be like allowing two Airforce squadrons to have a dogfight over New York.
Its the Flagship of starfleet. Its only natural to send it to its possible demise.
Well, ignoring the others as someone else's vision (or lack thereof), in this movie, the Enterprise is in the process of being refit at home base, and V'Ger was making a direct beeline to Earth. The novel explains that she was the only Constitution-class ship to return from a five-year-mission relatively intact. And the Connies were Starfleet's workhorses at the time. She was the first to get all the state-of-the-art enhancements, and even though there was no time even for a shakedown cruise, she was the best bet at intercepting the intruder while it was still "out there."
Kirk and Spock joining this mission were both happy accidents, which probably made the difference between the Earth being completely sterilized or the disaster being averted.
You can build a huge fleet of all kinds of ships, but you don't build them to just hang around Earth; they all have jobs to do. And space is mind-bogglingly big.
I hope Mike talks about Star Trek in this episode.
I also hope for that
With age, ugly ducklings grow into beautiful swans. TMP is that duck.
I hope he talks about his spleen, that would be cool.
That would be cool. Very cool.
why, has he done that before?
Please encourage the Emmy nominated Canadian to talk more about matte paintings! I felt like he was cutting his comments short for fear that the audience would be bored, but I absolutely love when people talk at length about an obscure topic that they're passionate and knowledgeable about.
YES!!! Or, that he thought people would think he's a smart-ass. "I'm an Emmy-nominated artist... I *know* what I'm talking about"
He doesn't come across that way at all. I'd love to hear him just review matte paintings.
Agreed.
John T. Campbell Personally id love him to do a top 15 so I could feel ok with buying a matte painting as a poster
I'd prefer to hear about how it is being an Emmy Nominated Canadian Scotsman.
@@Beer_Dad1975 well he IS hanging out and talking with these drunk Wisconsinites. Maybe it’s similar
I like how, in the years since this re:View aired, Jim has actually won that Emmy.
Did he win the Emmy for being a Scottish man as well?
"Gene Roddenberry looks a bit like a... bag of oatmeal with eyebrows" is one of the funniest lines in RLM history, bravo Jim
The way Mike's face explodes and deflates after that line is the most sublime reaction caught on camera.
I love the way you can hear Rich cracking up off screen during that part starting with Jim asking if Gene Roddenberry was attractive
Timestamp, please.
@@AidanMclaren Didn't see this until now but it's near the end at 40:55
I like to imagine how much that would have infuriated Shatner, if he had stuck with the video long enough to see that part.
"STOP............competing-with-me-Decker."
Got to love Shatner's style.
Which means, stop pointing out when I’m obviously wrong. 🧐
I just want Mike to re:view every Star Trek episode, it would be glorious.
TOS, TNG, and Voyager just for shits and giggles
I want them to force Jay to watch a couple of TNG episodes and then discuss them for real.
Honestly if he reviewed every season of Star Trek I'd love to watch it.
I was really hoping they'd do a DS9 re:view for the 25th anniversary, but it probably won't happen.
Mike needs to talk about that episode where Janeway and Tom Paris turn into lizards and have kids. Yes, that happened.
*William Shatner has joined the chat*
*William Shatner has left the chat*
Lol "joined the chat" "left the chat" gives me flash backs xD
I like Star Track respect from Serbija
lmfao
I think THIS movie is just AWESOME! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of t@@ls who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
The humble beginnings of the boomer fight
Mike isn't a boomer is he? He's no more than 40 :O
@@mc00094 Firmly Gen X.
Millennials think it’s just them and Boomers on the planet.
@@mc00094 Millennials have no idea what age group baby boomers are.
*After watching this video in its entirety I found RedLetterMedia's video, discussing the social media kerfuffle that had occurred between internet fans of their show and Mr. William Shatner. And now I am back to witness the first 60 seconds, that which Mr. Shatner judged them by, and laugh.*
And then I am going to watch the rest of this review, because it is GOOD.
@@tolispoulos5398 They have all the information in the universe at their fingertips, and yet they don't really know much at all lol
I just realized Jim Maxwell is now an actual Emmy award winner.
"Or as Picard calls her, Gash"... Not even a minute in and totally worth it...
Instant like.
"She's into artifacts that's why she liked him." :D
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*She's got it moist in all the right spots!*
(Falling slide whistle)
First an entire video of Mike talking about ghosts, now an entire video of Mike talking about Star Trek. This is RLM fan service
Twitter: Here’s one of their more serious and analytical videos about Star Trek Mr. Shatner Mike: 20:41
Haha YES
A couple minutes in they start talking about kirks gorilla arms
Thank God Shatner didn't watch that bit.
I've never seen a single episode of Star Trek and know comically little about it, but I honestly love listening to Mike talk about it just because he knows so much about it and genuinely enjoys it so much. It's just so nice to listen to him talk about this thing he cares about.
Jim's shirt is amazing. It's the controls for the sounds on the Fisher Price shuttle from the late 70s.
Holy shit! I KNEW I recognized that!
What the hell is that?
Alpha Probe it was called. Got one Xmas 1980 coz my folks couldn't afford a Millennium Falcon.
At first I thought you meant Jim _Kirk,_ and I still agreed about his shirt being great.
How could these guys completely skip over the "transporter malfunction" scene?! That was the most gruesome scene in the entire movie.
and the way they hoke and mock the crew mates and dismiss their death I was like omg????
That scene traumatized me as a kid, their screams.... oof. and then the following line "What we got through didn't live long.... fortunately."
Dude I totally forgot about that f'd up ass scene, terrified me as a kid
Nightmare fuel
@@madisonl6321did they joke about it? I didn’t notice
Why can't RLM get past 1 million subscribers!?! It's the best channel of its kind on TH-cam!
Too high brow
Shhh , id rather this channel stay in the down low.
I don't know, man, I'm wet every time I see Rich.
They have a lot more subscribers than any other channel about fat old men from Wisconsin talking movies
I don't know why either! I mean, THE SPECIAL EFFECTS ARE AMAZING!!
This film freaked me out as a kid. It felt so grown up, like the problems they were facing were tremendous, horrifying and yet really intriguing. I used to hide behind the couch when Spock attempted to mind meld with Vger.
Compared to films of today where it's always one large villain out to take over/destroy the world, which is a concept that isn't so much frightening as it is routine, there's no mystery anymore. I'm not worried about the world being destroyed I'm just kind of enjoying the trip to defeat the baddie.
I wish they made more films like this, where we don't understand the problem we're facing, where the "villains" motive doesn't make sense... that's what makes it horrifying and alien. How can we defeat a problem we don't understand? The mystery makes it something you want to watch.
Did you watch the 2016 film Arrival?
These are exactly the the tree movies I thought of reading the OP comment. But that it. Are there others?
Contact
It's a fair comment; the examples people bring up are rare exceptions...
Shin Godzilla does unknowable horror really well.
You forgot one of my favorite scenes... "What we got back didn't live long... fortunately."
That scene disturbed me so much as a child
It’s not a boring movie. It’s a slow movie. It unfolds like a novel. Star Trek The Motion Picture moves as quickly as it needs to move. I watched it as a kid and really liked it. There were some scenes that I thought took a long time but even as a kid I understood why they were showing us slow moving scenes of this gigantic alien space ship. They wanted the viewer to be in awe of this space ship and terrified of it. It was effective. You feel like the Enterprise is as significant as an ant that could be squashed at any moment.
That movie was my very first Star Trek.
I watched it whenever possible as a kid, which was aided by it being shown on television and us having a VCR and enough fresh tapes so I could get a copy of it.
Mind you, I was watching this when I was in primary school, and we had the first two Star Wars movie on tape as well.
I loved ALL of them.
Star Wars was exciting because it combined several genres into a sci-fi movie about good and bad.
But Star Trek just resonated. Never thought it boring. That first scene with the Enterprise just blew me away. Still does, but for different reasons.
Yeah almost reminds of Blade Runner in a way, they don't make movies at these kind of paces much anymore :(
I had a friend who fell asleep during the glamour shot of the Enterprise and didn't wake up until the very end, when Sulu asked "Where to, sir?" My friend woke up and shouted "OUT THERE!" right along with Shatner.... True story.
This has been one of my comfort movies for decades. Every clip they show of Abrams Trek is like a frigging nightmare.
I think THIS movie is just FABULOUS! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of m@r@ns who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
Damn you Jim for making me laugh out loud at that cruel but hilarious “Marshmallow poisoning” remark.
Guess what? Jim is no longer an Emmy-nominee. He is an Emmy *winner* .
Really? What for?
@@Davidsworldtravels Vikings - Outstanding Special Visual Effects In A Supporting Role - 2020
When I was younger, I also regarded ST2 as the top dog of the series cinematically. As I've grown older (and with exposure to the JJ films - ugh) I've really grown to appreciate this movie in it's design and scope. And the music - Jesus! What majestic scoring! For me it really is closest to the spirit of the original show. I've come to regard this as my favorite of the films. It really is misunderstood and unappreciated. No, there are no battles....no action. But it's still great sci-fi.
That kind of reminds of that Star Trek episode where Mike was reminded of a Star Trek episode
I remember seeing this movie as a kid and loving it even though I wasn't a huge ST fan. I thought a massive machine that was pondering the purpose for its own existence or even existence itself, was fascinating.
The age-old question of knowledge vs wisdom was intriguing to me. And how Spock answered such a profound question with the simple gesture of holding Kirk's hand, was emotionally revelatory.
Even at my young age, I was completely moved by that scene because it just brought everything home. How that bond of shared humanity is the reason why we're here. To have a place in each other's lives. And to love. Which was further illustrated by Decker and Ilia's love for one another. And their ultimate sacrifice to teach V-ger.
How can this movie's theme not move you? It asks and answers the question so many of us ask ourselves. Why do I exist?
I was shocked to learn years later that it was widely regarded as a boring, unsuccessful movie.
So I have to say that I feel a bit proud for liking a more philosophical introspective theme as a kid when it went over the heads of most others, including adults, who were just bored with the concept despite its profundity.
Oh, hey, it's Colin from Mexico!
You guys didn't mention that Decker is Commodore Matt Decker's son from the original series episode "The Doomsday Machine".
Or went to 7th Heaven and is now in space jail 🤔
@@randalgraves6979 🤣🤣🤣
This is by far my favorite Star Trek film, and one of my favorite movies of all time. It's the only one to date that really captured what Star Trek means to me: voyages of discovery in a future where humanity has finally made it. It's also the only Star Trek movie that pushed the boundaries of what Star Trek can be on the big screen. There are more Enterprise visuals (interior and exterior) in this film than in the other five TOS films combined. The cinematography is gorgeous. The music and sound design are brilliant. The special effects are more beautiful than any Trek film since, including the reboot-era ones. The set design is beautiful and has a real sense of scale. And this movie establishes a great deal of Star Trek canon, as well as visual and thematic baselines.
I've never seen a TH-cam review of TMP that understands what a special film this is, until now. Even though your review doesn't actually dwell at length on any of this stuff, you point out a few things that few reviewers realize: For instance, the fact that the Enterprise only fires a weapon once in the film, and that isn't even in a combat situation--it's the only time other than Star Trek IV that the main conflict was resolved without violence and "might makes right." Or the fact that the chemistry between Kirk, Spock, and Bones can't just be flipped back on like a switch, and that the voyage itself is what glues them back together. Or the fact that this movie, with its sweeping sequences and slow, tension-filled sense of pace, can never be made again in the Star Trek universe, which has long since gone down the road of being a popcorn action franchise (at least on the big screen).
This is one of those films overshadowed by its caricature. Most Trek fans today haven't even seen it. They just "know" from popular opinion that it's slow, boring, and has no chemistry. But when people watch it and post a review, every single time they say that the movie was much better than they were expecting. (They still don't usually rank it very highly among Trek films, but at least they recognize how much of a full meal it is.)
To really enjoy this film, you need a few things: You need an imagination, which unlocks the many so-called boring sequences. You need patience, because this is not an action film and isn't trying to be. And you need to understand that this is the first and only utopian Star Trek film, and the only Trek film ever to be centered on exploration. There's no villain. There's no battle. The soul of the main conflict in this film lies in the questions Vejur asks: Is this all that I am? Is there nothing more? That is the closest Star Trek has ever come to explaining ~why~ we want to explore.
"Or the fact that the chemistry between Kirk, Spock, and Bones can't just be flipped back on like a switch, and that the voyage itself is what glues them back together. " Thanks for making this point. Even people who liked this film (including some of the cast) complained that there wasn't enough levity and palling around among the characters. But I so appreciate that the filmmakers refused to give audiences that instant gratification, and made the rediscovery of their relationships part of the film's arc. It's more realistic, given the time apart and the gravity of the film's plot, and in the end it makes their relationships all the more meaningful. So contrary to popular belief, I think this film was all about character development, and the acting was spot on.
I should also point out that "Wrath of Khan" got deeper into their relationships, in a way that was fun, satisfying and realistically genuine. And this sense of human warmth was the perfect counterweight to the hatred of the titular character. But subsequent Star Trek films amped up the "palling around" and inside jokes to the point of absurdity, likely a turn-off for everyone but die-hard fans.
director's cut was better. All the matte problems were fixed
@@PhilipKaskela Another thing that I liked about The Director's Cut is that they insisted on only doing things that were technically possible in 1979 special effects and using original drawings, thus treating it like a movie that they were clearly trying to finish rather than re-do. A good idea to actually respect the original work rather than just play around because you can (I'm looking at you, George Lucas).
You only “need” to be a smart 6 year old in 1981 to understand this is an amazing film, it’s not hard, at all
The book (which I guess was a companion piece to the movie) went into waaay more detail about Ilia's species, and their pheremones, and everyone on the bridge getting a hard-on when she showed up, and how she had to take a vow of chastity to join Starfleet. All very interesting and grown-up sounding to my 11-year-old self...
Jim is just Emmy nominated. I only accept matte painting critique from winners.
I have some good news for you…
jim: the Scottish accent is crap.
*me a Scotsman expecting a stereotype. but its nice and soothing sounds like my grandfather.
jim: it sounds awful!
me:.....ok.... :(
I'm Scottish and James Doohan's accent is fine here. I do wish non-Scots would stop saying it's bad. There's a lot more accent variation than they realise and it fits within that variation.
@@wipeout2098 Jim is Scottish just fyi.
@@nativeabuse Checking this, Jim was born In Scotland but I assume he left here when he was very young as he has no trace of an accent. I've lived here all my life so I'm fairly sure I've heard vastly more of our accents than he has. :)
It's just a case of no true Scotsman
@@nativeabuse Jim's Scottish... but has forgotten how to speak (and apparently how to "hear") Scottish, and now weirdly thinks that James Doohan's perfectly acceptable Scottish accent is "Irish". [source: lived in Scotland from '96-'08].
I picture Mike walking around RLM HQ pretending he is the captain and Rich is his Chekov
This movie's only unforgivable sin is teasing us with the cool new revamped Kingons in the opening scene, killing all of them immediately, then never showing Klingons again until two movies later.
This is my favourite Trek movie ever. It's the most trek movie of all trek movies
14:48 My headcanon is that Voyager 6 wound up on Cybertron
@@hannibalburgers477 *Beast Wars Megatron Holding a Golden Disk.JPG*
Beautiful mate
Nope-it was Mondas. Coincidentally, that's also where the Borg came from.
Thanks for finally explaining that artifacts joke to us non-Trekkies
Hmm is Rich on a diet or something? He looks different. And he sounds Canadian for some reason.
And the weirdest thing is that Jim keeps calling him "Mike".
@@adj789 Im not your guy buddy.
I loved this... Made me want to start another rewatch of the whole series. Also made me remember-realize how fricking beautiful this movie was!
Lol Shatner’s feathers are ruffled.
I really wish they did more of the original series movies on re:view. This video was so great, they goof on it but they love the movie. Imagine one large video with 2-4 on it because they are tied so close together story wise. Their Star Trek content is my favorite, and I’m not even that big of a Star Trek fan.
Nothing about the teleporter accident? That was terrifying to me when I was a child.
Wow, the editing in this episode is top notch.
What Jim Maxwell says at the start is very interesting.
I used to make fun of trekkies and think that Star Trek was boring, silly and so on, but now thanks to Disney and the current Hollywood I too started watching old Star Trek series and films and actually I'm enjoying them, and even feel a bit silly of making fun of the Series and ignoring them all these years.
41:00 I’ve never seen Mike laugh so hard in so long! 😂
The high quality production design (ship models, sets, etc.) totally updated the Star Trek universe and was influential on the series for decades. If not for the heavy investment for this movie, Trek never would have avoided the campy look (though as the movies continue, the quality gets more and more low quality looking, from extensive re-use and the lack of budget.) TMP gave the more modern looking Enterprise with the tiled surface, the blue deflector dish, and all the worker bees, the shuttles, the space station, the hatch doors, and the corridors, the bridge, sickbay, and engineering were all updated and defined for future shows.
32:00 Mike keeping a straight face through this entire thing is what sells the comedy
Shatner jus watched the first 60 seconds of this guys
by the time bones says "what do you suggest we do? spank it?"
i died laughing...
never thought of it that way.
great underrated movie.
Marshmallow poisoning might be the best joke ever told on this channel. Bring this man back.
It's great. I've always thought it was underappreciated and it's one of my favorite of the movie series (along with the second one).
We had the 3+ hour international extended cut on VHS with every deleted scene added in and it was glorious.
I always find myself coming back here. Mike's observations on the movie are really on point.
41:04
My personal favorite Mike breakdown. Gets me every time lol
15:44 The Director's Cut actually did fix this matte painting. As much as I'm not a fan of George Lucas-style altering of movies, this was actually an improvement. Before it never occurred to me that the red pillars were supposed to be the legs and feet of a giant statue. I just thought they were part of an old lava flow or something.
Mike talking about Star Trek with one of his imaginary friends. cute.
By far, the best, most intelligent of the Trek films. Especially nice in 2001 when Robert Wise cleaned up the effects (except the Klingon opening's matte lies), added new ILM work (Enterprise, full V'Ger), tightened the edit (although lost a few nuances). I think a re-mastered 'final cut' for its 40th next year is in order! Theatrical and 4K run?!
Harold Livingston's role in Phase II and Star Trek The Motion Picture is signficant. Harold was a close friend of my father's (Seymour "Sy" Cohen) and got me on the Paramount lot the day they were filming the V'ger probe scene on the bridge set. Harold said he couldn't talk to me that day because he was minutes ahead of the camera. When I did get to talk Harold credited a week's worth of meetings with Nimoy for the character development that went into the script. However, he said he also had to deal with the TV-show Phase II to Motion Picture off-and-on-again issues. Harold wrote several Mission Impossible episodes for Paramount and other TV shows prior to taking on Star Trek. His books on early aviation, Jewish American life, and creation of the Israeli Air Force are very good reads, even today!
Several things led me to be a software engineer. One was an an invitation from Harold Livingston, a friend of my father, to visit the Star Trek, the motion picture, sets on the Paramount Lot. They were filming the V’Ger probe scene on the bridge set. In the scene V’Ger sends a probe to scan the Enterprise. The probe was a standard 2 x 4 wood beam with a bunch of strobe lights attached up-and-down. A thick electrical cable ran from the bottom of the beam off the set to the right of the bridge’s view port. A single man sat in front of a mini-computer with a 102 style green terminal. When they were ready to shoot the director would call “Probe on” and the man would type a single key on the terminal keyboard. The strobes would start flashing. I was 16 and already wrote software for mini-computers. I asked the man about the rig. He outfitted a sensor on the film camera to know when the shutter was at its most open position as each frame went through. At that instant his program triggered one of the strobe lights to flash. The effect in the movie gives the probe a brighter-than-white glowing look. The man told me he was hired and was making an income from writing the software problem to make the effect work. This was the first person to show me I could have a career working with software. This was 1978. -Frank
Thanks for the insights. Really appreciated these.
We need more Jim
Wrath of Khan is still the review I'm looking forward to because I think it might be my favorite movie of all time, and it's everything good about Star Trek
When are you gonna do the rest of these?
Gene Roddenberry was Kavkorka Man personified. The whole reason the show got the 2nd shot at a pilot was because he was hooking up with recently-divorced Lucille Ball.
I decided to watch Star Trek The Motion Picture again because of this review. What I found was that even though there is less action in it, I was able to watch it without feeling tired and needing to take a nap at the end of it. Whereas when I watch a recent Star Trek episode (Discovery or Picard) I do feel tired. I think it's because if I were to turn my brain on while watching a recent Star Trek episode I would be endlessly trying to make sense of it. So I begin to not care if it makes sense which then makes me wonder why I'm bothering to watch it. Which then makes me feel tired and bored (even though there is A LOT of action in it).
Wow, I Love Star Trek: The Motion Picture so much. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is the most underrated Star Trek film of all time, it is one of my top 3 absolute favorite Star Trek films, and Star Trek: The Motion Picture had great stuff like the Jerry Goldsmith music score and good performances from William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a way more better sci-fi film than any Star Wars film made after 1980's The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars as a Franchise was never the same after Gary Kurtz left in 1980, and Return of the Jedi was the first decline of the Star Wars Franchise.
If there is a heaven Mike's own personal one would be him being a captain of his own ship
Just because a film doesnt have lazer battles and explosions does not mean its "boring".
So the sensor is a clitoris and the explosion a literal climax. You were right Mike, sexiest movie ever made.
the downside to mostly listening to these longer videos, is I only now noticed Jim has a fisher price rocket ship's sound effect button label as a shirt.
Which I almost thought was a GI Joe thing, since as a kid that's what I used it for.
I enjoy Star Trek The Motion Picture. I’ve been a huge Star Trek fan since the original series. I loved seeing the cast reunited again in it. The refitted Enterprise is amazing. I thought the story was intelligent. Jerry Goldsmith’s epic score is one of the best! The human element is a very important factor in the story.
Got a bit of trivia for you. 1960's Lost In Space: season 3 episode 3. The entrance to the alien vehicle is the same as the entrance on Vger.
You guys are so spot on. I absolutely love this film.
Mike, don't forget ... there was a red dot in 2001:A Space Odyssey that was the center of everything - HAL's pupil.
I want to put it out there that this is my favourite re:View
The 6 minute reintroduction of the Enterprise character showed excellent instincts and established the adventure theme that would take Star Trek to its eventual peak. It is such a memorable scene, and there's no other science fiction move since with anything quite like it.
I am surprised Mike did not mention that the plot of the movie is a re-write of the episode with Nomad.
Star Trek The Motion Picture's plot has a combination of ideas from Star Trek TOS episodes "The Changeling" (aka the one with Nomad) and "The Immunity Syndrome" (aka the one with a giant living organism that engulfs the ship), but with a very different resolution than both.
Likewise, "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" (the one directed by Shatner) is a quasi-remake of the ST:TOS episode "The Way To Eden" (aka the one with Space Hippies) with '80s-inspired New-Agers replacing the '60s-inspired Hippies.
There are connections to "The Doomsday Machine" as well, which is appropriate because Matt Decker in that episode was intended to be the father of Will Decker in the movie.
Maybe Mike was Dog Whistling us. He does include a clip of Nomad vaporizing two redshirts as surely as V-Ger done-in them Klingons.
As I rewatched the movie as an adult I found it in some ways Lovecraftian, especially the exploration of VGER.
I've always loved this movie; I think I loved it as a kid because it was so weird, but as an adult I think I love it because it's so weird.
That scene with the plasma beam really scared the crap out of me when I was a kid, but I kept going back to watch it again and again for some morbid reason. Turns out I’m a horror fan! Hahaha
Jim, the thinking mans Tim.
The original cast hated their costumes because they were so difficult to put on, which was why the costumes changed in Wrath of Khan because it was in everyone’s contract that they wouldn’t do a sequel if they had to wear the dentist uniforms again.
Also Leonard Nimoy strongly disliked this film because he said the film had zero remanence of what made Star Trek special, mainly that the movie was missing the a lot humor present in the show.
It's a big reason why the second movie's better than the first: it brought that humor back, and knew when to use it
He didn't hate it altogether, but he did make this strong critique. I have to disagree with him though. I really appreciate that the filmmakers refused to give audiences that instant gratification, and made the rediscovery of old relationships part of the film's arc. Given the time apart and the gravity of the film's plot, a lot of joking around would be inappropriate and unrealistic. We also would have lost the central arc of Spock's inner struggle and coming to realize that he doesn't want to lose emotions after all and become like Vger. Witness the power of that scene where Spock appears on the bridge for the first time and there is this outpouring of emotion from the rest of the crew (Uhura: "It's how we all feel, Mr. Spock...") And he just coldly turns away. Perfect!
Yes, "Wrath of Khan" got deeper into their relationships, in a way that was enjoyable yet still realistic. And this sense of human warmth was the perfect counterweight to the hatred of the titular character. But that didn't make it better than the first film, just different. Of course, subsequent Star Trek films amped up the "palling around" and inside jokes to the point of absurdity, likely a turn-off for everyone but die-hard fans.
The director's cut is really nice and makes it my favorite ST movie..!
Fisher-Price Space Probe: Thrust / Commodore64 / Alarm icons ... the *PERFECT* accent to give that rare home feeling, very well done
I remember watching this when I was a teenager. I had never seen any Star Trek at all and thought all Star Trek was just dumb cheesy sci-fi crap, with pew pew lasers and bad alien costumes. Then this came on tv and I wasn’t really watching it, but still listening, because “ugh, dumb Star Trek”. Over time it started drawing my attention, and I started loving this movie. I thought, “Why does nobody talk about this movie? This is amazing!” I didn’t even pick up on the sexual innuendos, I just loved the characters and their relationships, and how it made me feel for a machine. This is a great movie and I would recommend it to anyone, maybe especially non Star Trek fans.
22:31 the sound effect made that slap sound ferocious
This movie is still great! One of the best.
Man I want these Trek reviews to keep going!
Discovery is making TMP look brilliant. I'm not even mad. I'm impressed.
What does William Shatner need a podcast for, Sporto? 😂
That edit with Ilia bouncing in the chair is gold. Gold Jerry!
Best review of this movie I’ve ever heard. It may have some pacing issues. Wooden acting. Stiff dialogue. Yet a movie I’ve enjoyed since first seeing it at the movies during its original theatrical run.
it is the best movie for me, relaxes me into the world of ST, and reminds of 2001 sequence although here more comprehending
27:10 Not sure if it was intentional in the editing, but I like how symbolic the black glass doors closing over Kirk appears as Jim says there's a "darkness to him".
I hope Jim and Mike ReView every Star Trek movie.
This was legitimately great.
He's spent some quality time with the fat, drunk one who fixes his VCR. He's also an unlicensed proctologist! Who would've known?@nazarene
I found them to be dry, dull and elderly. and awesome. I'm 9 months into the future.
Jim and Mike's Shmaltz Maltz Beer.
I think THIS movie is just FABULOUS! . .. and always have! And I suspect that those who've called it "slow" or "booring" were probably just the kind of m@r@ns who crave ohhhhh guns, car chases, and explosions every minute throughout the entire duration of a movie. In fact, such people are the reasons we have all these big, dumb, action "blockbusters" with goons like Vin Diesel and The Rock and Schwarzenegar and so on.
The first 60 seconds are extremely offensive, guys. William Shatner said so, therefore it must be true
it's so funny to imagine Bill Shatner sitting on his iPad and shutting it off in rage after hearing some drunk Wisconsinite say the word "gash"
very ageist and shilling
@@AA-kt6rh shameless shills!
It's a good podcast
@@robthomas946 I have coined a term for them, HACK FRAUDS.
First Mike talks about ghosts for 10 minutes and now we get 40 minutes of trek talk, have I died and gone to Red Letter Media Heaven?! (which is incidentally next to regular hell)
which inccendtailly is in new jersey
Olexi Petrov Just wanna bring up there is a place called Hell, Michigan, which is probably named such because it’s where RLM is filmed. Probably.
Oooo likes are at 666
Now we just need 40 minutes of Rich and Jack talking about videogame waifus.
Do you think Rich Evans accidentally created Red Letter Media Heaven when he died from the Showbiz Pizza Bear biting his neck off and then had to defeat Satan in order to come back to life?
Because I like the idea of Rich Evans accidentally figuratively AND literally becoming a god to the RLM fanbase.
_"whoever wrote this movie"_ You expect us to believe Mike doesn't know exactly who wrote a Star Trek movie? He probably knows where they live and the name of their cat too.
There's a thing to be said about this specific movie though: It's downright impossible to tell who wrote the movie as it was finally shot - mainly because the movie was still *being* written while it was shot. Yes, the initial story treatment was by Alan Dean Foster, based on an idea by Gene Roddenberry, but it was then re-written into a TV script by Harold Livingston, and when they made it into a movie it was passed back to Gene Roddenberry whose close associates probably also had a hand in it and so on and so on...
I noticed this too. There were loads of things almost mentioned, yet Mike doesn't do it. Like there's no way Mike doesn't know that the probe scene they talk about at length, was filmed in two parts. The left side is one take, then the special effect of the probe in the middle, then the right side is filmed separately. Sometimes when the image moves the two sides don't match up. I think he's purposely holding back his true Trek power level here to let Jim have his say.
When talking about the sexuality of the film, he'll know about the novelisation Roddenberry wrote. The one with the sex rooms and the Enterprise is like one big hippie free sex commune. Kirk's mother had a love instructor or how the Deltans mindwaves make people want to fuck them all the time. That's why ilia has a bald head, to make herself look less sexy.
McShave tell me more about this love instructor and this hippie free love sex commune.
@@ohmandamp Kirk's mother's love instructor's name was "James"! Make of that what you will. Also Kirk has tried sex with men but prefers "the creature known as woman". Gene was kind of obsessed with sex.
@@McShave This is fascinating. What's the source again?
Is Mike dying? Is that why you're doing all of this for him?
RIP Mike Ulysses Stoklasa(1958-2018) Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most pakled.
Rich gave him AIDS and Mike does not have diabetus to balance it like Rich does.
Somewhere in the back Jay is crying wishing he was cool enough to also watch Star Trek.
@The Duke Even Josh is too cool to watch Star Trek...
@@vladpiranha I believe his said he´s "not touching that".
This review oozes sexuality
Is "it oozes sexuality" replacing "it broke new ground"? Very cool.
Come again?
@@capitancoolo1 this review is borderline experimental
capitancoolo1 Very cool...
@@kylehyde215CA Its so dense... with SEX! You could make it a drinking game to cope with slow parts!!
This is the happiest Mike will ever be.. it's all downhill from here.
Mike is peaking
This is what peak Mike looks like.
But he is, what, like 80. Peaking at 80 is pretty good I'd say
sounds like my life
Little did he know about Star Trek Picard and how truly awful things could get.
I'm glad Mike has the Star Trek insignia on his shirt because otherwise I wouldn't know that he's a fan of Star Trek
Mike likes Star Trek so much that I ended watching TOS too see what he likes so much, currently I am watching s01e15
It reminds me of that "Star Trek" episode where that guy wore the Star Trek insignia on his shirt.
i started watching TNG since it's on netflix. I think i'm on season 3. I was gonna give the original series a once through some time soon.
I never new picard was such an asshole. He fucking HATES wesley
Buddy... I'd tell you.
@@rippspeck You can save yourself 150 hours of awful by skipping Voyager. DS9 is the best trek but of 150 episodes, only 80 are good or so. Curate your list. Next Gen has maybe 20 good episodes, but the rest are watchable just because the series has the rep it does. Skip S3 of TOS, it's all got this 'fan fic' vibe, but S1 and S2 are all legit.