I have a theory. Everything after the events of First Contact is the Enterprise timeline, so Kelvin IS the future of Ent. At least it explains why ships from 20 years before TOS look like they are from 300 years in the TNG future.
@@BaronFeydRautha The events of First Contact are not relevant to the Kelvin timeline split. Both Kelvin and the Prime timeline are the future of Enterprise. The Kelvin timeline branched off ~80 years later when Nero's ship arrived in the past and attacked the USS Kelvin. One would think the name "Kelvin" would be a clue, but I guess that slipped by you. The only explanation needed for why ships look different in newer shows is that they are not being produced with 1960's special effects technology.
@@mikefulton1963 No no. Enterprise is a split timeline because the events of FC. So Enterprise isn't a part of the prime timeline. So Kelvin is the pre TOS of the Ent timeline and STP is the future of the Enterprise TNG crew not prime timeline. It's a little convoluted but it works. Nice attempt to insult me there. You gonna flip shit when I say I want Mikey Spock to do time for her treason and war crimes next?
Season 3 episode 9 of Discovery established that the Federation knows about the Kelvin timeline as an alternate, so it cannot be in the Kelvin timeline itself.
I thought you were going to explain HOW that could work! Events that take place prior to the Kelvin indecent would not be affected by it. That includes evolution of entire species prototypes. I like the theory that the Borg sphere going back in time (followed by the TNG crew) affected the timeline, causing Star Fleet to be more military and supplying the technology to build Control (which is seen to have Borg-like assimilation).
First Contact and Enterprise. Kelvin IS the future of Enterprise. This explains the super advanced ships before TOS and even why Picard is literally a different person with a different family and hobbies as the TNG Picard. STP Picard has a young mentally unstable mom. TNG Picard had a loving elderly mother. STP Picard isn't an actor. TNG Picard spent HOURS on the holodeck acting in detective holonovels. STP Picard has odd feelings for a toaster. TNG Picard wasn't friends with Data, that was Geordi.
I always thought it was in the Kelvin Timeline, since the terrible Alex Kurtzman crap deriving from his collaboration with JJ Abrams, has the same look and feel as the horror that is the "reboot" that created the Kelvin Timeline in the first place.
I have always put everything after First Contact in the Enterprise timeline. I know that's not what nutrek wants but it makes more sense my way. Picard in STP is the Picard from Enterprise's future. He is a totally different person. So the Kelvin timeline IS the future of the Enterprise timeline. This can explain a lot in STD. I stopped watching STD after four episodes and STP after they vivisected Ich'eb. I had to divorce myself from nutrek and just watch my DVDs and blu rays of the old shows. Also, Mikey Spock needs to go to prison for her war crimes and treason against the Federation. Inb4 "But Star Trek II&IV. Kirk was defying orders to help a friend. Mikey defied orders on a feefee.
Honestly? I don't think it matters anymore. Those who like Discovery fall into two camps: 1) they simply don't care about Trek detail, canonicity and continuity enough to give it a second thought; or 2) they care about canon but have been able to reconcile it in their own minds - either through mental gymnastics, convoluted head-canon or just taking a "screw it, I just watch it and ignore all that". Neither of those camps really needs any kind of retcon, and the rest of us aren't going to suddenly accept or like it if it is "Kelvin'd". Discovery will be done soon and after that, I can't see many people really caring about the show at all. Along with the first two seasons of Picard, it's going to be relegated to the dusty depths of Paramount's wannabe streaming platform and there it will fade into obscurity. Trek fans will mostly just ignore it, those on the wiki's will begrudgingly reference it and everyone will move on.
I AM a DISCO fan, but yes, I would be happy with it in the Kelvin Timeline. I mean, my head-canon is that half of the Klingons mutated into humans during Archer's time, then Q'Onos was ruled by a minority ethnic group of Klingons (the DISCO Klingons) in the decades before Discovery, only for a mix of humanoid and TNG-looking Klingons to regain power sometime between DISCO and Strange New Worlds. But the attack of the Kelvin by future Romulans occuring a couple of decades before DISCO could explain the difference in technology, including spore drive research that never happened, and the super advanced Control instead of Daystrom's A5.
i mean. theres a few instances in TNG relating to time ravel, and the borg. some things in the movies of the same era also having so things to relate to time travel... hell even one instance of the original Kirk Star Trek that can be related as well. But here is the rule of thumb... if the timeline past a specific point isnt filled, and anything that is walked across isnt retconned TOO BAD that did exist. then it can be cannon. the whole year 3000 thing? thats fine. Spock having a sister thing? If Spock didnt like his sister so he didnt mention her, could be used. But, then theres some issues. such as tech, uniforms, ect in the pre-time skip point that kinda rub the wrong way. The Fallout community has been in this issue for a wile. reconning is horrible. some just say 'well, its Bethesda's (the developer) title, so they can do WHAT EVER they want with it'... which ya, sure, they could. but it destroys their own universe. pisses off fans. and reduces the value of the title. and the fans wont accept it.
Instead of trying to shoe horn this and the Abrams/Kelvin garbage into canon we should all just pretend it didn't happen. Like a bad sonic shower scene!!
Nope, it should be in its own timeline, the stupid one where nobody cares about it because traveling via some kind of universal fungus network is insane and stupid.
As long it's not on the main timeline. Sure the Kelvin or new timeline to fit it will be the new "main" time line but come on, DISC and SNW are making a mess on continuity (even if pl do like SNW).
@@bcvideos_ Exactly, in the end the way they run the shows (and new movies) are a new timeline anyway, no matter what the show runners say about "being in the main timeline", they write the shows as a reboot anyway
You cant just put a part of the canon you dont like in the "badwrong" timeline. That's not how media works. You cant just be like Threshold is Voyager but Kelvin timeline Spock's Brain is TOS but Kelvin timeline Code of Honor is TNG but Kelvin timeline Every Star Trek has good and bad. Discovery has a very beautiful queer found family. Discovery also hailed Elon Musk as a genius inventor. And yeah, Michael Burnham cries more than other characters in the original shows. You would have had the same issues and kind of arguments in the 80's when Star Trek was revived as TNG. This feels like screaming "NOT MY STAR TREK" into a void.
The show is a classic example of go woke go broke. Once they got into season three and everyone’s crying it’s only women all the men are homosexual it became absolutely an unbearable show.
Nah, it should be deleted. The show is a disaster and one of the worst written pieces of science fiction with probably the worst make-up design for an alien in a TV show. The real atrocity is that Enterprise didnt get a 5th season but this garbage did.
I agree, it's a bad show. But, I do think the special effects and make up look good. Especially Suru. Even the new look Klingon's don't look bad from a make up stand point, they just don't look like Klingon's though. It is a shame Enterprise didn't get a fifth season. Thanks for the comment!
I already thought it was in the Kelvin timeline. Who knew.
Really? I'd say you have the right mindset then haha. Thanks for the comment!
I have a theory. Everything after the events of First Contact is the Enterprise timeline, so Kelvin IS the future of Ent. At least it explains why ships from 20 years before TOS look like they are from 300 years in the TNG future.
Who knew? Everyone who was paying attention. That's who.
@@BaronFeydRautha The events of First Contact are not relevant to the Kelvin timeline split. Both Kelvin and the Prime timeline are the future of Enterprise. The Kelvin timeline branched off ~80 years later when Nero's ship arrived in the past and attacked the USS Kelvin. One would think the name "Kelvin" would be a clue, but I guess that slipped by you. The only explanation needed for why ships look different in newer shows is that they are not being produced with 1960's special effects technology.
@@mikefulton1963 No no. Enterprise is a split timeline because the events of FC. So Enterprise isn't a part of the prime timeline. So Kelvin is the pre TOS of the Ent timeline and STP is the future of the Enterprise TNG crew not prime timeline. It's a little convoluted but it works.
Nice attempt to insult me there.
You gonna flip shit when I say I want Mikey Spock to do time for her treason and war crimes next?
I've been treating it like it's in its own timeline. But then I only watched the first three episodes before losing interest in it
I just want to see Mikey Spock go to prison for her crimes against the Federation. That's all I want from nutrek
Impossible. It's already referenced the Kelvin timeline as separate, in season 3.
Or as Kovich would say it: “an alternate universe created by a temporal incursion of a Romulan Mining Ship.”
Season 3 episode 9 of Discovery established that the Federation knows about the Kelvin timeline as an alternate, so it cannot be in the Kelvin timeline itself.
When has STD ever let a little thing like canon get in the way of a bad idea?
Agreed! All of modern Star Trek should've been set in the Kelvin timeline. Would've made a lot more sense within the Star Trek canon
100% agreed! Thanks for the comment.
I think we need to put this show on its own timeline. it is a what-if to me. First two seasons were sort of OK but I bailed on it with three.
I thought you were going to explain HOW that could work!
Events that take place prior to the Kelvin indecent would not be affected by it. That includes evolution of entire species prototypes.
I like the theory that the Borg sphere going back in time (followed by the TNG crew) affected the timeline, causing Star Fleet to be more military and supplying the technology to build Control (which is seen to have Borg-like assimilation).
First Contact and Enterprise.
Kelvin IS the future of Enterprise. This explains the super advanced ships before TOS and even why Picard is literally a different person with a different family and hobbies as the TNG Picard. STP Picard has a young mentally unstable mom. TNG Picard had a loving elderly mother. STP Picard isn't an actor. TNG Picard spent HOURS on the holodeck acting in detective holonovels. STP Picard has odd feelings for a toaster. TNG Picard wasn't friends with Data, that was Geordi.
“Should a show that takes place before a fork in time take place after the fork in time?”
No. The answer you’re looking for is no.
Enterprise, Discovery, Strange New Worlds are their own timeline. Blame the Borg Incursion from First Contact.
I always thought it was in the Kelvin Timeline, since the terrible Alex Kurtzman crap deriving from his collaboration with JJ Abrams, has the same look and feel as the horror that is the "reboot" that created the Kelvin Timeline in the first place.
Can someone plz explain which shows are connected to the reboot movies
None of them are. Every show is in the “prime timeline”, same as TNG, DS9, etc.
@@bcvideos_ thnx
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I have always put everything after First Contact in the Enterprise timeline. I know that's not what nutrek wants but it makes more sense my way.
Picard in STP is the Picard from Enterprise's future. He is a totally different person. So the Kelvin timeline IS the future of the Enterprise timeline. This can explain a lot in STD. I stopped watching STD after four episodes and STP after they vivisected Ich'eb. I had to divorce myself from nutrek and just watch my DVDs and blu rays of the old shows.
Also, Mikey Spock needs to go to prison for her war crimes and treason against the Federation. Inb4 "But Star Trek II&IV. Kirk was defying orders to help a friend. Mikey defied orders on a feefee.
Only thing Disco has done to benefit Star Trek is give us SNW.
It's not in either the prime timeline or the Kelvin. Its in its own timeline.
Honestly? I don't think it matters anymore. Those who like Discovery fall into two camps: 1) they simply don't care about Trek detail, canonicity and continuity enough to give it a second thought; or 2) they care about canon but have been able to reconcile it in their own minds - either through mental gymnastics, convoluted head-canon or just taking a "screw it, I just watch it and ignore all that".
Neither of those camps really needs any kind of retcon, and the rest of us aren't going to suddenly accept or like it if it is "Kelvin'd".
Discovery will be done soon and after that, I can't see many people really caring about the show at all. Along with the first two seasons of Picard, it's going to be relegated to the dusty depths of Paramount's wannabe streaming platform and there it will fade into obscurity. Trek fans will mostly just ignore it, those on the wiki's will begrudgingly reference it and everyone will move on.
I think this is ultimately what will happen with the show and the legacy of the show. Thanks for the comment!
No. Kelvin Pike was injured in a terrorist attack. Prime Pike was injured, and much more badly disfigured, saving cadets.
Discovery is it's own thing. It doesn't fit in any timeline.
I AM a DISCO fan, but yes, I would be happy with it in the Kelvin Timeline. I mean, my head-canon is that half of the Klingons mutated into humans during Archer's time, then Q'Onos was ruled by a minority ethnic group of Klingons (the DISCO Klingons) in the decades before Discovery, only for a mix of humanoid and TNG-looking Klingons to regain power sometime between DISCO and Strange New Worlds.
But the attack of the Kelvin by future Romulans occuring a couple of decades before DISCO could explain the difference in technology, including spore drive research that never happened, and the super advanced Control instead of Daystrom's A5.
i mean. theres a few instances in TNG relating to time ravel, and the borg. some things in the movies of the same era also having so things to relate to time travel... hell even one instance of the original Kirk Star Trek that can be related as well.
But here is the rule of thumb... if the timeline past a specific point isnt filled, and anything that is walked across isnt retconned TOO BAD that did exist. then it can be cannon. the whole year 3000 thing? thats fine. Spock having a sister thing? If Spock didnt like his sister so he didnt mention her, could be used.
But, then theres some issues. such as tech, uniforms, ect in the pre-time skip point that kinda rub the wrong way.
The Fallout community has been in this issue for a wile. reconning is horrible. some just say 'well, its Bethesda's (the developer) title, so they can do WHAT EVER they want with it'... which ya, sure, they could. but it destroys their own universe. pisses off fans. and reduces the value of the title. and the fans wont accept it.
Wait. I could have sworn Spock had a throw away line about having a sister in the Final Frontier.
But that makes SNW in the Kelvin timeline, so maybe the jump ahead put them in Kelvin?
It would and I would be totally fine with that. Thanks for the comment!
STD will be retroactively set to the moment Sarek adopt Michael . Now he does not. Star Trek Discovery undone.
Like another one here, I already thought it was the Kelvin timeline
No. Discovery changed the Spock character and ruined it.
In the Kelvin timeline Spock is treated with respect.
Instead of trying to shoe horn this and the Abrams/Kelvin garbage into canon we should all just pretend it didn't happen. Like a bad sonic shower scene!!
Well ahead of you! I already don't remember the vast majority of what happened throughout the shows run Haha!
Like any STD it's best to just move on. Never mention it again. Pretend it didn't happen.
Yes , because like those movies it's bad Star Wars cosplaying as Star Trek.
I can't honestly say that this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard, but it's up there.
Nothing should be in the Kelvin timeline. The sooner it is forgotten about completely the better.
Prime timeline offshoot that is splits in between thee mirror tragedy vulcan-terran universe and before enterprise.
Nope, it should be in its own timeline, the stupid one where nobody cares about it because traveling via some kind of universal fungus network is insane and stupid.
As long it's not on the main timeline.
Sure the Kelvin or new timeline to fit it will be the new "main" time line but come on, DISC and SNW are making a mess on continuity (even if pl do like SNW).
Therefore why both shows would work so well outside the main timeline continuity.
@@bcvideos_ Exactly, in the end the way they run the shows (and new movies) are a new timeline anyway, no matter what the show runners say about "being in the main timeline", they write the shows as a reboot anyway
You cant just put a part of the canon you dont like in the "badwrong" timeline. That's not how media works.
You cant just be like
Threshold is Voyager but Kelvin timeline
Spock's Brain is TOS but Kelvin timeline
Code of Honor is TNG but Kelvin timeline
Every Star Trek has good and bad. Discovery has a very beautiful queer found family. Discovery also hailed Elon Musk as a genius inventor. And yeah, Michael Burnham cries more than other characters in the original shows. You would have had the same issues and kind of arguments in the 80's when Star Trek was revived as TNG.
This feels like screaming "NOT MY STAR TREK" into a void.
YES!
Eww... No.
Its problematic enough without trying to tether it to that clankin turd.
Can we stop complaining about this. Just get over it.
I always presumed this trash show was in the Kelvin timeline
The show is a classic example of go woke go broke. Once they got into season three and everyone’s crying it’s only women all the men are homosexual it became absolutely an unbearable show.
This show was crap from the start. The only good thing that came of this show was SNW, albeit the second season of SNW was less than impressive.
Nah, it should be deleted.
The show is a disaster and one of the worst written pieces of science fiction with probably the worst make-up design for an alien in a TV show. The real atrocity is that Enterprise didnt get a 5th season but this garbage did.
I agree, it's a bad show. But, I do think the special effects and make up look good. Especially Suru. Even the new look Klingon's don't look bad from a make up stand point, they just don't look like Klingon's though.
It is a shame Enterprise didn't get a fifth season. Thanks for the comment!
It gave birth to SNW which I love!
No the kelvin films were better than this garbage