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Try 6 AC 2
try 6uac2
I have a 6AC/2s Mauler.
Can confirm, it's awesome. And stupid and inefficient. But awesome.
what timing interval do you use for 6?
I would guess .12 or something close to it
120 milliseconds worked when I tried it.
ho-ley-shit... That explains THAT, seen someone firing like this and wondered how the heck they managed it.
+Steven Allen Group 1 and 2 both on chainfire OR take 1 make it chain and 2 make it flat and just RAMBO!
Of course is this a cheat. You use something that's not intended to be in game to circumvent obstacles the game gives you.
+dreamyrhodes It's not really any different to setting them to chain fire and then just spamming the fire button.
KarlEller Of course its different because it works automatically.
So a buddy in my unit has been trying to make a 6 AC/2 build work on a Dire Wolf (or Dashi as he likes to call them) and I think you have just saved us hours of tweaking and theory crafting. This is so insane I might have to try as well. Awesome video dude please keep pumping out the mech porn.
Side note: I'm sad you are not going to run timbers on your other account. I run them and was exited to see what a capable pilot like yourself could do with one. That said the sale is a sale, and 5 million in savings is huge so I can understand. Oh and I picked up my first Stormcrow because of how kick ass you make them look, I just need to remember they are not as tanky as my timber.
+pablo4952 I will eventually get heavies on that account, just will have to wait a bit
+pablo4952 Just for a little info on the canon, Dire Wolves were nicknamed Daishi (Japanese for "great death") by the Draconis Combine, which you may know better by the dominant house, Kurita, due to its large size and 55 tons of podspace for weapons.
To all the folks saying that using this macro is cheating: you can get the exact same results with the standard controls. Assign each gun to a group, then hold each group's fire button. Just delay slightly between starting the hold on each button. The guns can't fire any faster using a macro than they can using normal controls.
Source: Used this method with three mouse buttons on my Victor in the old days.
to all the people, it isn't a cheat. it should be firing at that speed in the first place just that they fucked up chain-fire. it would have been acceptable if you could just rapidly click and fire the next weapon in the group, but nope consistant .5 cooldown.
I have to go to 2:10 every so often in order to maintain my sanity. I cannot live without seeing triple AC/2's firing every sixth of a second.
Very helpful video by the way, thank you for enlightening us as to the existence of this software. o7
How do you feel about octuple lbx2s firing at.... I DON'T EVEN KNOW what the rate is but it's ridiculous?
You can create this "minigun" without a macro for such a weapon setup - just fire the first three shots manually at the desired tempo and then hold down the fire button assigned to 3 guns at once, it will maintain that tempo. For example, assign a chainfire of three guns to the RMB, then do not hold the RMB, but quickly click 3 times to set the desired tempo, then immediately hold the LMB (to which you previously assigned fire from three guns, but without chainfire)
I was thinking about doing a full KE build on a light mech so this just saved me an age.
The 0.5 second chain-fire timer existed before ghost heat.
Nice video covering the basics.
I hope you don't mind, I embedded it at the end of the first post in the Fire Control thread on the MWO forums.
It's so sad that some people still consider this cheating, when the fact of the matter is that if everyone were using chain fire, MWO would be a better game.
When PGI implemented Ghost Heat, they were in effect trying to make people move from alpha to chain, because single point damage was a balance issue.
But without a decent implementation for chain fire (Which FC sought to rectify), this was never going to work, plus the changes (At least as far as the AC2 was concerned) actually made things worse for chain fire (You could hit GH with 2xAC2 in chain, but not in alpha)
Plus even when you forget about GH, alpha is just more efficient when playing peek-a-boo: With 4 weapons that shoot at a 1000ms rate, if you poke out and fire in chain, you have to expose yourself much longer (Instant 4 shots vs shoot, wait 250ms, shoot, wait 250ms...) to get all your shots off.
If in full view of your target, the "face time" required to use chain just makes it fundamentally inferior to a mech that can shoot off all it's weapons, then twist off the damage to an arm while their weapons reload - you will be blazing away at his arm, while he reloads and then easily pops another alpha into your CT because you are holding your view steady and not presenting a moving target.
So Kanajashi has it spot on - this is for Lulz only. It is not useful in competitive play. Any half-decent opponent will know how to counter chained ballistics.
+evilC I don't mind at all! I like my videos being linked around :D
Holy shiet ! Need to try this Dakka mode with my King Crab full Ac/2 :D
I'm amused how many people are too stuffed up to realize it's not an advantage to use macros. The only solid one ever is the UAC jam timing macro, that's it. You're not avoiding ghost heat if it's below the .5 seconds and guess what you could just rapidly click ANYWAY. I don't have a dire wolf and don't plan on one either. So this is largely not useful to me. There should be a separate disclaimer video with quoted proof from the forums about why specific uses are not cheating. Especially tag toggle and the proper chain fire.
Also with the tag toggle in mind... has anyone thought of a sniper build with a gauss rifle with tag underneath, they cant say they didn't see it coming.
Very helpful and has given my King Crab new life thanks man
Mack did this YEARS AGO on TH-cam before Ghost Heat! Jager DD 6 AC2 was the bomb!
Hey, I just used AC2x3 on my CN9-AH(L): I got 5 kills, 3 assists, and 909 DMG.
Thank you so much for this video! Works brilliantly-though I did need to tweak the fire rate.
Are PGI okay with using macros? Is there an official stance somewhere? In any case I don't see this as cheating, just makes things like tag a bit easier to use. It's fun watching you enjoying yourself so much. Finally caught up... now what do I watch? :P
PGI gives no fucks about macros. Use them to your heart's content.
I do this on my King Crab. The 6 AC2's get a bit toasty, but the DPS is good, with or without the macro. Plus, people tend to run from that barrage to their faces. It pushes more DPS than the UAC5's too, but with a bit less burst.
I'm currently running this, alpha strike is better for damaging but this scares people so much that they sometimes won't come out.
Need to try this stuff with my CTF-4X...
+Gabryvarg Thats a great one to do it on, really any 3-4+ ballistic mech
Like Cyril Figgis would say : SUUUPPPREESSING FIIIRRREEE!!! Interesting. I could optimize chain chain on my Hbk-4p and tag on 4j too.
Heavy Direwolf Guy.
Let's hope future Rac/2 will be like this :D
Yeah, I did this on my Mauler with 6 AC/2s a week after it came out before upgrading to 6 AC/5s. It was glorious.
I remeber about Half-Life autobunny cheat everytime I look at this tutorial...
"but you can do it in the game, so is not a cheat..." PGI may aprove, but Steam sure got them Banned.
Using macro is cheating becuase it gives you an unfair advantage vs players who do not use it!
+Igor Bukový As much as it's cheating for everyone else to have a faster computer and faster internet connection than me. It sucks, but that's life for me when I play games.
assayyadEric1 Agree that is not fair too but macro is an utility which breaks the game's physics and fairplay. It is a shame that PGI alllow to use it.
it doesnt break the games physics.. if they wanted to make it so that macro fire didnt work they would simply make it so the speed at which they re rack is the same as chainfire. basically you can do the exact same thing hes doing with skill if you could press 3 4 5 6 again and again while playing then you to could fire they fast without and macros, besides basically all keyboards and mice come with macro buttons these days so basically the only reason you haven't gotten this is because you haven't tryed to get it. literally anyone can do this at any time so its not unfair. infact i have a TTESPORT challenger prime keyboard with 6 macro buttons on the side, im about to setup a chainfire macro with my keyboards software, not with the adhd program which again anyone can do.
Ahm .. this is pretty old news, people have been doing this for 2+ years on MWO now. And still do. It's pretty common knowledge. PGI's stance is that it's not illigal . Sure it sucks if you come across a dakka-mech like that, but just flank, don't get singled out and shoot those torso's. These days the meta is more laser vomit builds, especially in faction wars where ranged lasers are predominantly boated.
Can't believe everybody in the comments are acting like this is some now "wow" thing.
+NL0Gwenster People are new to the game since steam and haven't realized that this is an option.
+Kanajashi Been playing for 6 months, Never knew about this.
Why is it unfortunate? It's the same damage as alpha striking. And you can fire pretty much the same speed if you set up weapon groups for it.
So is there a macro to make tag, flamers, and machine guns into a toggle switch, instead of forcing me to hold to fire?
hmmm been running around with my Twin ER PPC with 2 Machine guns on my UM-R60L I have good times with the ER PPC per shot of firing both get like 40% Heat Spike but funny when you hit them
I would guess that chainfire-ing the AC2 with the program and binding all the AC2 to the left click would result in the same DPS, right?
Yeah exactly the same DPS. The game won't let you fire them any faster, the program just spaces them out equally for you.
Do u equipped AC2 colddown module? I use a 6x AC2 build (without cd-module) on my King Crab but I didn't know that u can even with 3x AC2 fire without pause.
Hope PGI will launch a module sale in the near future.
+Grinchpryde Unfortunately there is no AC2 cool-down module, just doesn't exist.
Trying to tweak a TBR dakka build (3 C-UAC/5) - any recommendations on settings? Keep running into weapon jams...
I tried something different by useing 3 AC2 and putting them in different groups. First and second in group 1, in the second group i put the third AND the second. Now i have to hit 2 buttons, but i fire 2-1-2-1 and so on now.
It´s faster than the normal chainfire and does not require external software to go with.
Still required multiple mouse buttons, though.
I'm going to have to try this on one of my Jagers or maybe my BJ-1 Or my CYF-4X with 4 AC5s. I haven't run my Cataphracts in nearly a year I think.
This was excellent in a Jaegermech!
I was in a RVN-4X and got raked by this... I shart myself.
Honestly this provides no advantage whatsoever over a front-loaded Alpha.
Heat on ACs is negligible at best, manageable at worst.
But dat dakka-dakka doh...
Great video. This is probably a stupid question but how are you bringing up the fire control window in game?
+Mark Engler I run the game in full window instead of full screen. It allows me to alt tab without the game diminishing in the background
will no longer be needed no that we have the rotary canons
Jagermech.... 4x AC2 and a shitload of ammo.. ultimate support mech :P
I've tried getting this to work for some time now. I set it up exactly like you. All it does is nothing. It only changes the highlighted weapon in the weapon group window. Whatever key I use, whatever weapon, whatever intervall, whatever settings... :(
That sucks! i'm not sure what's happening there. All I can say is to go through every setting carefully and check them, but it sounds like you have already done that >_
I´m putting together a King Grab right now and I´ll love to see this working out with 4 or even 6 AC/2s.
I have 2 questions regarding macros with this:
1) If I right-click and it is bound to 3-4-5-6, and I only hold it long enough for 3-4 to go off, will it continue for 5-6, or will it stop at that point? If it stops, when I start it up again, will it start at 3 again, or will it start at 5 (where the last one stopped)?
2) If you have the TAG toggled, will it interfere with chat? So if I toggle 6 on, and then I hit my chat button, is it going to put "6666666666666" into my chat?
1) It will pick up where it left off
2) It will not interfere, although you may have to re-toggle it. That happens to be when i open my map.
would you be able to put the link below for the download. i cant find it to download the fire control
I'm getting this weird thing with mine. When I try to fire 3 AC2's with the macro it goes something like this.
bang, bang, bang -slight pause bang, bang, bang.
This happens regardless of what speed they're firing.
+Doom Guy Sounds like you need to slowly increase the milliseconds between each shot until things are smoothed out. Try increasing it by 10ms, test it and repeat.
I'm something special.... I didn't take into account quirks. Ty :)
Doom Guy
Glad you got that figured out!
Norton anti-virus is giving me a warning when I try to set this up. :/ Anyone else get that issue?
my eyes gonna blow when im playing SHD with 3xac\2
+Dmitry “Scanz” Sheptalin Yeah so much muzzle flash on that mech, I wish they would tune it down a bit
having trouble with my UAC5's Jamming...I have it set to 2,3,4,5 at about 160. However any higher or lower it still jams...
What is the timing formula per UAC5?
+Gilbert Martinez That is far too low, for 4xUAC5s it should be closer to 420ms.
timing formula: (Weapon Cooldown/Number of weapons) * 1000 to change to milliseconds.
I see...so the higher the number, the faster each UAC shoots...?
Gilbert Martinez
The larger the number the longer the wait between each shot so the slower.
Nova + Too many SPLs + Macro = PEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEW heat critical...override shutdown... PEWPEWPEWPEWPEWPEPEWPEW
Cause of death - Overheating
lol
My god xD Even though it's a macro it looks so cheaty lol! But epic too
I think the reason PGI doesn't consider it as a cheat is probably that it makes the basic system simply work BETTER and not enhancing it in an illegal way.
I still think it's a cheat even though i am using it as well. It practically doubles the firepower and usability of such builds and gives the player a clear advantage over someone who's not aware of it.
+The nextinline PGI allows it probably cos' they don't want to regulate it.
I think the only reason they allow it is cause they can't enforce it :/
why dont PGI just make weapons chainfire like this legitimately in the game?
They haven't got around to it and since this exists they don't have to? they can just let us do it.
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well i see your point, it could be a situation like team speak and making their own internal voIP thingy
"Cool video thanks this will make my quad ac/2 build much better." AC2UALLY I take that back this thing doesn't work. Even though my weapon groups are correct and the macro is correct the fire control randomly throws in double cannon shots which are then corrected if held. It also cause horrible lag spikes in game that make aim a nightmare. What gives makes no sense that it would fire 2 when at no point has a 2 gun combo been assigned to any of the weapons.
i have tried to set up firecontrol with out any success. followed your step by step set up for my 3 x uac/2 and its just not having it. any chance you could show pic's of each section of the set up including the ingame key bindings please , thanks
+DRIZTT Here is a instructional page made by the guy who designed the macro: github.com/evilC/Fire-Control/wiki/Usage-Instructions
+Kanajashi i must be doing something wrong, because i've followed the instructions and watched you vid over and over setting it up the way you've done it in your vid. does firecontrol has to be put into mwo folder ?
DRIZTT
No mine is on my desktop, maybe run it as administrator? but im just guessing now.
Not allowed in competitive from what I've seen.
awesome lol the rate of fire. You should do a short vid for the mech with the highest fire rate lol
Jaegermech with the 6 ballistics, but very impractuical because it has +10% ballistic cooldown
@@DamnedUsernameThing I have a Dire Wolf with 8 LBX2s. BRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
This macro was probably developed when getting battered by ac's would cause more cockpit shake. I don't think it was purely done for aesthetics they were after a combat advantage.
It's very useful video, tnx. But I wonder how you've made crosshair to change it's shape on hit?
+Alexey Muratov its the colour blind option in settings.
fearless jack Thx
SAY HELLO TO MY LITTLE FRIENDS
I try 160ms but doesn't work on my 3 AC2
+lizadonrex you may need to look at things like ac/ballistic cooldown quirks or even modules if your trying it with ac5 or something
is the quirks make this happen, That's not fair.
+Kanajashi, is there somewhere I can find the recommended Fire Rate timings/intervals to use for the different ACs and UACs (including clan)?
+onimushashin Not that I know of, I have just been dropping into testing grounds and slowly adjusting the values until its perfect.
ah roger. could you share your values? for science? =P
onimushashin For 6xAC2 - 110ms, 4xAC2 - 150ms, 3xAC2 - 160ms
+Kanajashi
Hm, 3 and 4 AC2 don´t make (mathematical) sense.
I would have assumed to just divide cooldown by the number of guns (AC/2, cooldown of 0.72sec --> 3 guns = 240ms, 4 guns = 180ms and so on, adjust for perks)
Scratching my head in confusion :)
Hawk eye
Yeah im not sure, I'm just going off of what I see in game. I try a value and either its too high and I can see the weapons are sitting idle before the cycle can go around or its too low and the weapons fire in a burst and a noticeable break in the firing.
IF u can't accomplish this whiteout a program and use a macro to achieve something u normally can't do, then it's a cheat in my eye
May be a cheat for you but PGI is ok with it.
th-cam.com/video/pV0TtO1rLCw/w-d-xo.html I'll just leave this here for you Daniel Mauzer. It's a video of someone doing something similar to this without a macro.
when i install the macro norton finds it a risk and deletes the file is this download a risk?
+kelvin klooster It is not a risk but of course you can use it at your own discretion.
You know that you can do this with a Macro Program.
I've gotten 7 kills 3 times now but no ace of spades. maybe I'll try using this to get it
it doesent work.... why
Does this work with a Joystick?
It may be legal but it sucks. Soon every buddy and there brother is gonna be machine gunning people down.
I was destroyed by a King Crab yesterday, and I'm sure he was running this thing. I had no chance.
I think this should be prohibited.
*****, he was certainly running a macro, but that's not the point. The point is this macro DOES provide benefit. The benefit is that you get maximum possible DPS such that ghost heat is not triggered. I get why it's allowed - technically, it doesn't do anything that a human can't do.
For one, if you fire everything and then wait to cool down, your target will be able to shoot back at you. If you use the macro, they won't be able to aim for shit due to screen shake.
All that shooting for 478 damage. lol
RIPPA.
so i trolled the forums and there seems to be 3 camps to this whole marco thing 1. marco artificially enhance your skills without need to improve, thus most players use only toggle tag (should be in game tbh) and chat macros 2.people who love the marcos and feel astho they are were firing that fast as before so it doesnt matter(seems people countering with aimbot must be fine as they were firing that good before) 3.people who see marcos as a script and scripting is a type of botting...
...guess its time to pick a side guys im in camp 1 on this one
+anids1988
I guess I´m in camp 2 as long as we are talking about relatively simple macros (like the TAG toggle or the AC/2 - chainfire macro shown in the vid). Hell, I´d even be fine with a Gauss-Charge up-fire macro, because it also gives some drawbacks (can´t keep from firing once you started it).
If it were much more complex macros (like if you used it in Star Citizen for a complicated, evasive maneuver), that´d be another thing, especially if you didn´t create it yourself (it _would_ take skill to "program" that) but just copy/pasted it from somewhere.
P.s.: Chat macros? What´s that? I mean, I used Voice Attack to put some generic greetings, thanks, requests in text chat in WoWs, because I really can´t be bothered to start typing while fighting, but with VOIP in MWO, that´s not really necessary.
+Hawk eye by chat i just mean stuff that goes into all like gg etc
Ah, ok, that´s what I kinda thought, just wanted to make sure :)
you voice is like sparcmac live :D
Everytime I change my profile, everything gets reset to the default values. Is this a known problem, do I have to set up an external save file or something?
+Robin Neubauer Ohhh I think something like this happened to me as well. I don't know the answer sorry
+Robin Neubauer
You could try to backup your actionmaps.xml file before changing your profile
c:/user/username/saved games/mechwarrior online/profiles/playername/actionmaps.xml
Note: I haven´t tried that, but it seams this is where your keybindings are saved and having a back-up of that file, especially if you customize a lot of the settings seems reasonable anyway.
Hawk eye
Ok thanks for that information. I'll give it a try.
Hawk eye Well, the keybindings in game seem to stay the same. Its only the profiles of Firecontrol that get reset everytime I switch between them. They still exist but everything in them doesnt get saved(like firetiming, keybindings, and keysettings), but I agree having that backup is useful anyway thanks.
Not sure what you mean by "profiles of Firecontrol"
Weapons-Groups?
Those are in weapongroups.xml
Sooo, is this still a thing or has PGI made a statement or what?
Yup its still a thing. Go ahead and use it!
Got a tip on using this with triple UAC 5s for the MAD IIC-A? It works fine on the first few cycles, but the macro wants to try to double tap causing jams. I can use the in game chain fire to do constant sweeps with out jamming, but it isn't utilizing the full potential of the build that way.
GlxyCmdt JasonTseng Jamming is just the nature of the beast and is always the risk that's run with UAC5 if you're going for maximum efficiency. I'd drop the macro in this case and try to manually do things, only double tapping to secure a kill rather than open up an engagement.
There seems to be a connection between how fast you fire each one and the increase or decrease in jam percentage. I've been able to fire them either continously or near continuously with very few jams if i keep a certain delay between shots.
FUEGOOOOOOO
You basically rigged up a RAC/2 lol
+Anders Albertsson Without it jamming even. Hell's Horses would be proud.
does this work with ultraz ac 5s ....and I am having trouble binding my right mouse button do you think you could help
+Andrious777 How many UAC5s? First thing to do separate each gun in to its own weapon group, then in the fire control add those into the firing sequence. For example if you have 4 guns and you set them to "3,4,5,6" with my fire binding being right mouse click.
As for the timing we want to first take the cooldown of the weapon (for UAC5s is 1.66 seconds or 1660 milliseconds) then divide it by the amount of guns (so 1660 milliseconds divided by 4 = 415 milliseconds). So the default is 415 ms. Put that into the fire rate box and test in game.
Then the last thing is to adjust it slightly, go into the testing grounds and hold down the button. Is it shooting nicely without jamming? lower the timing by 5-10ms and try again. Is it now jamming? raise it back 5-10ms until it's smooth again. This will vary depending on fast fire efficiency and quirks.
And that's it, you are done and ready to kick ass.
I have 6 ac 5s
ultras
its working now thank you
Andrious777
No problem, glad you got it working
is there a way to stop the jamming of the ac5S?
Yea, I suppose you could use a borderline cheat...OR you can just rapidly click the mouse button...like a man...
welp first game i was in with kc ac got 8 solo kills....
Moar DAKKA!
any one have a good set up for AC5 Mauler build?
+Justin Evans Check out the mauler master guide for some good builds: metamechs.com/mwo-guides/is-master-guides/mauler/
+Kanajashi Sorry to clarify, I'm referring to the macro used in the video what would be a macro set up for chain fire 5x ac5s
Justin Evans
Ahhh, I would try something around 330ms to start and slowly increase or decrease until it feels right.
+Kanajashi thanks man
Honestly, I don't feel very good about promoting the use of macros. Feels too much like cheating, to me. I'm a little surprised you don't feel the same way, Kanajashi.
+Matthew Davis In my opinion cheating is stuff like wall hacks and aimbots. This is doing the exact same DPS as if I was alpha striking the 4xAC2s, just looks cooler. Actually slightly worse as I basically cant torso twist making it really easy to take me out by burning my CT.
+Kanajashi Fair enough. I'm still not sure I'd use it myself, since it's an 'outside' program. But I agree, it isn't in the same league as aimbots or wall-hacks. Thanks for the response, you're always really good about that.
+Matthew Davis I hardly use it myself, only really for holding on my TAG or for fun nights of mini gun craziness. 95% of the time I'm using lasers and don't need it.
+Matthew Davis I don't think macros like these are anywhere near cheating. PGI should revisit their fire control system as it's lacking so many features.
+ryvrdrgn15 infact it is cheating as without the marco with 6 ac2 you would need to be clicking between 8-12 times a second.....with this marco you are doing roughly 22 damage a second or more with 6 ac2 intill you overload
hilarious 😂😂😂
1 - no skill involved, press 1 button and enjoy
2 - you over perform basic chainfire settings
3 - using 3-rd party program to influence the game mechanic
Macro = cheat. PGI should prohibit this and ban macro-shooters forever. I wish you to find yourself on the other side of the Crab/dire AC2/AC5 macro shooting spree, so you can feel how much "not cheat and ok" it is on your own @ss. I report all macro-shoters as soon as I see one
+Ivan Gr.
"2 - you over perform basic chainfire settings" The basic chain fire settings are just plain broken and serve no useful purpose. What is the point of making chain fire for 2xAC2s fire at the same speed as 6xAC2s? With the default chain fire settings, there is NO POINT to mounting more than ONE AC2.
All FC does is let you work around PGI's sloppy coding.
Btw. i can get the same effect. if i put 4 AC2 in ajager mech.. put them in seperate groups. enable both in Chainfire. and just time the use if the second group corectly. and i get the same effects with just 2 buttons. ;) quit yapping!
is this legal to run in online mode?
+Tmaxxnc Yes it's fine to use, check out the statement at the bottom of the code of conduct: mwomercs.com/conduct
ah thankyou will help the pain in my hands using this
Tmaxxnc
Good to hear it will help you with that!
how the hell is this fine !?!?!??!?
cause you don't need that Marco at all to achieve a firerate like that
ugh...seeing cheats like this makes me not want to play anymore. literally ruining the game for others....
How is it different from having 6 ac/2's in a alpha fire group and holding the button down, if anything it makes it so people can still be viable while also looking cool.
+tristan sparks well for starters, these are not 6 ac/2's it is 3. its less weight and space then 6 and takes no skill or focus to fire them as fast as he is in the video. i shouldn't have to download a program to be on the same level as cheaters like these. i shouldn't have to find a mech with 6 ballistic slots and equip 6 ac2's to be on the same firing speed as someone with a cheat program and 3 ac 2's
I dont think you understand. its the same dps. if I had 6 ac/2s and fired them in alpha strike against a macroed ac/2 with only 5 I would be doing more damage than him. similarly, if I had 2 ac/2s and he had 2 ac/2s with a macro and fired it wed be doing the same amount of damage. I would be doing it in bursts and he would be doing it sustained which is not good beacuse what if someone just goes behind a corner. thats alot of damage your missing out on where as you could of just SHOT HIM WITH ALL OF THEM and the damage would of been done. All this is, is shock and awe. and by your comment, it seems to have succeeded.
tristan sparks hmm...i think you're actually right. but having the ability to stream bullets at your opponent would cause alot more screen shake for him making it harder for him to hit you and i think also the amount of heat build up would be less when rapid firing with this mod as apposed to alpha striking.
Well if that's such a big issue we should ban pulse lasers and this macro.
this completely defeats the spirit of the game.
In what way? If the guns are capable of it, why shouldn't you be able to do it?
I assume you could do something equivalent by holding down multiple fire buttons using multiple groups?
I want to try this. Can you get banned for using it?
No you won't
omg fucking hackers
Not according to PGI.
sorry Macros like this Break the the mechanics of how the game functions , if you can show me someone like Paul inouye where or Russ bullock says this is ok OFFICALLY then fine , but in most cases this is a TOS breach to use a macro that breaks fundamental ROF of the weapons if you cant duplicate it Manually with the same effectiveness then your using a script to increase your ROF unnaturally then the controls make up , in a way scripts that change the fire of say AKs in other FPS or even aim bot scripts i would suggest that the DEVS intervene by banning accounts seen firing at these rates . in a competetive game like MWO this is bad sportsmanship and most tourneys disallow use of macros , or controlers that have rapid fire functions for the fact it breaks game mechanics . anyhing that modifies game inputs outside of the client is normally not ok by any developer . your kidding yourself if you think otherwise .
+detpackman It is stated that it's fine at the bottom of the code of conduct mwomercs.com/conduct
but if you look closely this macro breaks that rule , it exceeds what the ROF should be with that weapon , so anyone that uses this macro is breaking TOS and should be banned PERIOD
detpackman
It doesnt exceed the rate of fire, that would require hacking the game to decrease the cooldown. It fires each weapon when it's cooldown has come up just like if you were alpha striking.
nope it fires faster than you could normally fire which in the video is explained why you should use this , you cant do manually what this does so its a CHEAT IT BREAKS that TOS RULE to allow for using gaming mice /controler keybinds and macros set ups . this is a script that changes the ROF of the weapon outside what you can do manually with button presses ..he shows you exactly that , this is a CHEAT Period , would never be allowed in tournament play that alone should speak volumes and a warning flag
detpackman
Well you can disagree as much as you want but PGI have ruled: "Keybind macro software and hardware mechanisms are permitted for use as long as such mechanisms still require manual input to initiate and do not fully automate gameplay."
This requires the user to manually activate it and does not fully automate gameplay so its perfectly legal. Like it or not that's the law.
Also tournament play wouldnt care about this as it is just plain better to alpha strike than use a macro.
Making stuff like this public is dumb.. Macros shouldn't be allowed like this.
+Jubal Harshaw
With logic like that, I bet you are in favour of government-mandated back doors in cryptography.
What would you rather I do? Sell it to only a select few on "hack" sites?
Well, Macros have been approved by PGI. End of story. It's inefficient and stupid, but the reason why a lot of people use it is because it's fun as hell. 6 AC/2's just going DAKKADAKKADAKKA everywhere is glorious to watch. I do it when I've had a really bad day and just want to screw around. Aside from that I play the game just like everyone else without a macro.
technically you can do it without a macro so i dont know why so many people complain, just spam 3456345634563456345634564356456 theres your spray right there
I disapprove of macro use if you need an outside source code to do anything with this game it shows a general lack of skill imo.
If PGI gave players more control of the chain-fire settings in game, perhaps players wouldn't have to bridge the gap. Personally i'd love to be able to toggle tag instead of having to hold a button or be able to make chain-fire work more efficiently with AC-2's. Lore-wise I feel 100 ton war machines 3000 plus years in the future would be able to do this sort of thing.
so your like the xbox controller moders which is cheating
Macros are entirely cheating. Very disappointed that you're endorsing this kind of thing, Kanajashi.
+germinvermin Hmm that's interesting, doing this is actually worse than alpha striking like I currently can. I'm not hacking the game to allow for higher DPS, just making my chain-fire actually useful and cool looking. Also by doing this I'm staring at my opponents removing my ability to torso twist making me easily kill-able.
But we all have our own opinions and I'm sorry if you are disappointed in me :(
+germinvermin I don't think it is, it should already be in the game and anyone can get it. The problem with this game is on some builds there is to many buttons to hit, this can be very helpful in getting the full potential out of your mech rather than having to fight your own keyboard.
If you can't do it with your fingers and your own keyboard, it's cheating. It's part of the challenge. I mean, why not make a macro to move your mech for you or aim your mech for you?
+germinvermin I disagree. The game features are horribly lacking in options/settings. We don't even have group chain fire which is silly nor can we set the delays we want per weapon group.
It doesn't matter. Petition the devs to change the game mechanics. Until they do, use the same game mechanics that everyone else does. Anything else is an unnatural advantage. It's like the difference between what's legal and what's right. Something may be legal but still be morally or ethically corrupt. Don't do something just because you can get away with it.
ITS A FUCKING CHEAT
Mother of god. This is what I've been wanting. Though it would maybe be nice if I could run this through my Logitech G510.
But anyway I'm using a quad AC5 mech so I need to try this out.
Well, i tried it on the Shadowhawk (3x AC2) and BJ (2xAC2). I must admit, i feel a bit dirty about it. Sure, it's only chainfire and firing all at once isn't affected. But you definitely have a supressive advantage. It's a personal decision, if it really is not officially cheating, well, so be it. But, imagine a 6x AC2 build like this... oh boy. I like the perma- TAG, no Problem with that. You should be able to set it on toggle/hold in game anyway, imho. Keep up the great work and thanks, Kanajashi.
having problems setting up my 4 uac2 hbk-iic. i used to have it set up and functional but after reinstalling mwo and fire control i can't figure it out again ugh :(
i have my fire groups bound so 1 fires two er meds, 2 is blank, and 3,4,5,6 fire my uacs. my delay is 83 and the fire sequence is 3,4,5,6. it just comes out really slow though.
i remember when i had it set up before i had it so ctrl would toggle my double tap of the uacs. i think this is change fire rate in the program, but hitting it doesn't do anything to my rate of fire anymore.
i also tried just using normal, non-ultra uac 2s, setting my delay to 155 as shown in this vid and using the exact same fire controls and sequence... but it comes out suuuuper slow.
i'm not sure what's wrong. anyone have some insights to offer? i'd really appreciate it.
If you ever do an updated release of this video please let people know that they can do a fastfire technique by hand just as fast without using a macro if they practice. I can see where the macro would be useful for other things like the tag toggle or firing different weapon sets but when you're using a pure 1 main weapon build you shouldn't have to rely on a macro you're not allowed to go into competition with.
It looks like fun but if you fire them together or with this chain-fire macro doesnt change anything in the end. The only reason for the slow chain-fire is to prevent the mech from overheating. :D
As cool as this is, it's game breaking... if it was intended to be like this, they wouldn't have bothered adding other ballistic weapons.
+Korwin Nomad Not really, group firing all 3 AC2 together still net you considerably higher DPS.
+danshyu Doesn't matter for a cheat, it's still a cheat even when its not giving the optimal result in every situation. You circumvent obstacles the game gave you with another program. That's hacking.
I'm tired of seeing people think this is anything more than a silly trick to make AC2s appear more useful than they are. They have always been relegated to the trash bin because AC5s outclass them in every way. The game has been all about laser vomit for the better part of 2 years, and PPC/Gauss jump sniping before that. PGI tries to change the meta, and the community just creates a slightly different one that equally pigeonholes gameplay.
+dreamyrhodes How is this a cheat? I, along with countless others, have been running macros like this since beta. The devs themselves have said that these macros ARE allowed. So if they are allowed, they're NOT cheats.
jra7690 First of: citation needed.
Second: If they change the game mechanics other than the game intented, they are a cheat. It doesn't matter if it brings you advantage or not, you should not use mechanics, that are not provided by the game.