Opera Singer Reacts (& Analyzes) - The Phantom of the Opera || Nightwish
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Luckily Andrew Loyd Webber LOVES this version of the Phantom of the Opera.
is there some link? loved to hear)
@@zakref9563 This is the quote from IMDB.
Nightwish's cover of "The Phantom of The Opera", with Tarja Turunen and Marko Hietala at End of An Era (2005 Hartwall Areena), is Composer Andrew Lloyd Webber's favorite version to date.
Marco really gives a mad feeling to the phantom, crazy mad
😂😂😂😂
Marko is my favorite phantom!
Tarja’s doctors actually advised against her singing for this show lol. She had a horrible flu and was even throwing up between a couple songs!
That's rough =/ While I wish she'd take more care of herself while sick (because that can potentially cause more severe damage down the line), I admire her commitment to her group and her audience to still go out there and perform as best as she can. She takes the phrase "the show must go on" quite literally here and I respect her choice to push through it.
@@goodeveningstories I'd recommend checking out any song from the "From Wishes To Eternity" show. She's pretty critical of her old voice looking back, but she definitely followed those classical techniques a bit tighter.
Pues tiene más de casi 30 años como cantante profesional deberían reaccionar sus canciones como SOLISTA después de Nightwish tiene 19 álbumes bien variados del género Rock Metal Sinfónico como el progresivo también tiene álbumes variados de canciones clásicas así como electrónicas operística y álbumes navideños oscuros y góticos cinematográficos canciones que deberían probar a Tarja como SOLISTA son
Passion and the Ópera cover de Nightwish año 2007
Supremacy cover de Muse desde Woodstock 2016
Innocense desde Live Circus live 2022 con una orquesta Sinfónica incluida sobre el escenario
Tarja perfeccionó la voz ha madurado ha cuidado la voz con los años tanto que por unas de las razones por la cual decidió renunciar a Nightwish antes de la carta abierta fue esa Tarja es una de las vocalistas del género Rock Metal que más cuida su voz de hecho sigue una rutina estricta bajo el conteo de especialistas para cuidar la voz es su herramienta de trabajo y lo cuida como una de las joyas más preciada de su vida de hecho después de este concierto Final de una era con Nightwish Tarja se queda sin voz después de cantar 18 Canciones en ese estado influenza vómitos y mareos casi ella pierde la vida hay una historia después de este concierto que es muy desgarrador Tarja casi pierde la vida por este Show brindado quedó agotada sin voz y sin aire ella fue internada de urgencias después de la última canción es muy triste la historia que le sigue a este concierto por que a parte de casi perder la vida por dar este Show en su estado salud fue desvinculada de la banda con una carta abierta que casi la deja sin alma porque ella no se espero una traición de la banda hay una historia interna que los fans conocemos mediante sus letras en sus canciones que no todos están preparados para conocer lo bueno de todo esto es que han psado años y pudieron llevar la fiesta en paz pero la comunicación entre ellos de lo que se conoce en entrevistas solo es por Email de ahí no pasa excepto entre Tarja y Marco que en el año 2017 se encuentran después de 10 años sin verse se vuelven a comunicar juntos pero recién el año pasado hicieron las pases hasta llegar a hacer una gira por Latinoamérica con la banda de Tarja y Marco de invitado sería bueno que el reactor maestro en Opera analice a Tarja como SOLISTA se sorprenderá de su último álbum navideño oscuro llamado Dark Chritsma que es un álbum navideño gótico, oscuro, espeluznante y cinematográfico nunca ante visto en lo artístico te recomiendo a Tarja Turunen como SOLISTA un largo camino por recorrer
@@goodeveningstories I am so glad Floor and Tarja remained friends.
@@goodeveningstories One of the reason of their separations was that the band felt that the things she wanted to take care of her and her voice were diva like things, but considering how the band acted at that time, I think she just didn't want to deal with the smocking drinking and partying that the band use to do hard in those days. she asked for days of recovery between concerts and other things like a separate bus. So yeah she push through when it matter but took care of herself too.
Tarja is Finnish. She has a strong accent. You either love it or hate it.
Or you’re completely indifferent to it like I am.
She lost much of it since, it's not as strong now as when this was recorded.
I guess living outside of Finland does that to you on the long run.
I love it! ❤❤❤
I love it too ❤❤❤
'It feels like'...Tarja. Let's not forget that this is not Covent Garden, it is an amazing symphonic metal/rock band singing a homage to 'The Phantom of the Opera' to people who would never ordinarily listen to this type of music in concert.
I just love how monstruous Marco sounds. I mean, the Phanthom is supposed to be sort of a grotesque character, so this kind of vocals capture very well that nature
Just a few things. As others have said Tarja was sick that day. Remember that their native language is Finnish. English is a second language. From other reaction comments: this is the favorite version of Andrew Lloyd Webber. The phantom is a dark character. Ken
He's an opera singer - 90% of it is Italian or German. "It's not my native language" doesn't really cut it in that world.
Don t forget that Tarja was very sick during that concert. Also, she is from Finland and her accent is somehow different from a native speaker. If we don t speak someone s language we must n t expect from her to speak our language fluently.....
Thank you for this in-depth analysis for your second reaction to Nightwish. I hope you will continue to explore the true ocean of good music that is their repertoire, created and performed for more than a quarter of a century. Of course, you have a new subscriber here.
Greetings from Romania!
Both singers from this performance left Nightwish and gathered 19 years later to perform several songs, including Phantom. Maybe it would be fun to see how they do it so many years later, what changed, if anything.
Speaking of telling the story, Nightwish has a great one in Devil and the deep dark ocean, from Buenos Aires concert. There is no (or not as much) opera in it, but the theater elements are top notch.
I think they are playing to their audience, and it’s live so maybe that also impacts her performance. The crowd is lapping it up so goal achieved. I enjoyed it for what it was. Thank you for your analysis
Thank you! This is THE version of the Phantom of the Opera for me. I love it so much!
Tarja is Finnish, so part of the reason why she pronounces her words the way she does, is because of her Finnish accent.
Like in the word "opera," the r was rolled like it is in Finnish. It's rolled the same way like in her name, Tarja.
Nightwish was at the forefront of creating symphonic metal. When they started, Tarja had to learn how to change her voice so that it suits the metal she is singing. She didn't want that the audience couldn't understand what she was singing.
So for years, Tarja had to teach herself how to modify her voice to do that... to suit the metal.... since there was no one who could teach her.
Now, almost 20 years later, Tarja and Marko are touring together and singing this song again.
I highly recommend listening to Tarja sing now. She has trained her voice for almost 20 years since this concert here.
Even Andrew Loyd Webber has been known to judge this the best version.
I actually think they sound amazing together, is one of the part I like the most
As both an opera and metal fan, i really appreciate the honest analysis and focus on details. Always very educational!
For a Finnish speaker she is, the accent is there.
*Growls: "Ahh. Arghh. Oh".
Yep. That´s the right response... lol
thats what i thinking too lmao 🤣
Worth noting that Tarja (the singer) is singing in what for her is her 4th or 5th language. She speaks Finnish and Swedish natively, speaks German and studied in Germany, is married to an Argentinian, and lives in Spain, so speaks Spanish. I think she deserves a little latitude for some pronunciation/diction issues when singing in English. You try singing in your 5th language and see how you get on...
Have you ever heard those Filipino singers where they have this heavy accent when speaking then suddenly disappears when they sing? Yeah, because speaking and singing are 2 different things. Singing transcends language differences.
@@Somm_RJ That's just bullshit. Sure, if you've been learning singing English songs from the very beginning, you learn to sing in English without an accent, but if you've spent most of your time singing local music and opera, you'll keep your accent when singing as well and it takes time and effort to get rid of it.
Singing doesn't "transcend language differences" (in the way you're suggesting it does), it's simply a different area you can learn in a different language from your native language. Give a typical English singer a non-English song and they'll also have an obvious accent because they've only ever learned how to sing in English.
@@pmHidden so, you are saying Phantom of the Opera was not heard before? Sang before?
@@Somm_RJ How on earth did you come to that conclusion from my comment?
It's especially perplexing considering that there's a Finnish version of Phantom of the Opera, so even in a vacuum your comment makes no sense here.
@@pmHidden because you said you have to learn the song from the beginning in order to sing without an accent. So, I’m guessing they have never heard Phantom of the Opera before and never sang before and just learned it recently to the concert.
Hugely refreshing to watch a reaction and analysis that wasn't just for the fanboys of the band. Please don't cave in to all the people making excuses in the comments or trying to imply your comments are wrong because they aren't 100% positive. Virtually every other voice channel is just praising the band hoping that their fans will like/subscribe. Keep up your honest style, it is unique and genuine.
The contradiction between Marco and Tarja is what makes this my favorite version of Phantom of the Opera. They play there parts so well. But then again, I love songs were a female singer sounds like a beautiful angel and a male singer sounds like an ugly beast. At the beginning, I Bellerive that Tarja was intentionally creating the sound of a woman in a haze or dream. She was creating the mental image of a woman who's sleep is interrupted by a man who enters her dreams every night. At the end, I again believe that she intentionally made it sound like she couldn't hold her note. I believe that she wanted to create the visualization that her character is exhausted from being forced to sing the last part by the Phantom. The reason I believe this is because it matched the movement she made at the end. Her throwing her head and arms back as if to pass out. Marco and Tarja not only acted out their characters very well in this performance, but they matched the vocals of the character and what the character was going through. This isn't only a song sung by a band on stage, this was a performance by very good performers.
That's how Phantom should be performed, imho. Symphonic metal and a bigger, heavier sound really suits it. I don't think I'll ever hear another version that tops this one. Kind of with now the entire thing existed with a Marko and Tarja version. Haven't heard anything else that felt that right. Not a vocal expert or a student of opera as a style, but regarding the commentary about the sliding, I think its possibly a difference between being overly formal and more openly natural. I understand of course that coming in with an onset directly on pitch and nailing it there every time is viewed, at least in the operatic world, as "correct", but I think stylistically, making choices that deviate sound more inviting. It only works when the singer has the ability to land the onset when they want. Obviously sloppy singing would be far less impactful or impressive. Not sure I'm making any sense, but, for me, I love her choices here.
Well said. Thank you for your perspective =)
@@goodeveningstories I have to say too, I really enjoyed your commentary and perspective. That was the reason I commented. :-) I've been to art school and spent many an afternoon in crit. I can absolutely tell that as a student, presumably in music for opera, you've done the same. I've never gone so far as to think about vocal choice in singing as painting a picture of a character for the audience, but of course it does. Its hugely impactful in acting. I suppose I really only thought about feel when it came to a musical choice like this, so thank you for that perspective!
I think this Version is one of the best. Marko is a beast! 🤘🤘❤️🔥👍
Soft R is a speech impediment in Finnish language.
12:31 The thing you might be missing with that is that she sings with a Finnish accent, in the Finnish language the r sounds among others but especially r's are heavily pronounced and that's what you're hearing here.
The best version❤The best duet❤The best golden era❤TARJA❤
In addition to the genre, her native tongue might also affect the vowels and diphtongs. She had a pretty strong Finnish accent in her pronunciation, to a point people made fun of it.
But if your audience cries to your performance, it's a job well done even all the purists didn't like it.
It's part of Finnish culture, where your origin should not be audible when you speak foreign languages.
Samsies! ( the word “opera”)
It was a thorn for me for a while! Then I just chalked it up to maybe it’s her Finnish accent that is influencing the word. ❤
Yeah, it's the Finnish accent coming through in some words.
Ayup. She pronounces it more in Finnish than in English. Rough Finnish R.
Yeah Finnish is a very strong language, where every letter is pronounced very clearly (coming from a finnish person) :D In Finnish the word ”opera” is pronounced more like ”OoppeRa”(Rolling the R” The name ”The Phantom of the Opera” in Finnish is ”Oopperan kummitus”
Its actually interesting to hear how the pronouncing striked some people since my Finnish ears never caught anything out of the ordinary :D
Soft R is a speech impediment in Finnish language.
Tarja makes my heart sing. I love both Tarja and Floor unlike the haters.
Over all there is one thing which is very important. It's a Heavy Metal Band playing their version of a musical type of song. And, even if I whatched the german version of the musical twice, I like this Nightwish version more because of it's Heavy Metal roots.
While Tarja is classical trained, but is in no way an opera singer, Marko is just a "Heavy Metal Guy". Ok, he is one of my favorites for sure and a great singer/performer/entertainer, but he stays in his vocalrange, which is phenomenal. I just watched these two singers nearly two weeks ago performing this piece, it's magic what happens with their voices together.
Apart from native language and illness, as others have mentioned, this was the last song of the set. So she's already done metal and/or opera vocals for an hour or more.
Greetings from Finland. 😊
This is the best version of this song.❤
I like your way to reackt and can't wait for next one.😁
I hope you continue this journey to discover Nightwish.🙏 Maybe the next song is Floor's version? Do the Shoemaker.😍 It is amazing.❤
Thank you for this interesting and informative reaction! About the R in “opera”. You are the second one I hear commenting about it. Iis so fascinating that you are commenting it as a strong R! To my Finnish ear there is no R whatsoever in that “opera” 😄 My ear just can’t get how it could be softer without dropping it out, and my tongue can’t produce a softer R. So, I don’t know for sure, but I assume it’s totally an accent thing for Tarja. As an expert of phones and pronouncing (from perspective of singing) you can draw your conclusions about how the fact that Finnish is a phonetic language (with harsh and clear sounds) can affect on Finnish singers’ pronouncing other languages.
If you are curious how Finnish consonants sound, you can listen the first 24 seconds of Nightwish’s song Kuolema tekee taitelijan. There you have a proper R in the first word of the song 😆(The song is stylistically a bit like late 19th century or early 20th century Finnish classical solo voice songs (not lieds), and Tarja pronounces Finnish a way the Finnish classical singers pronounce.)
This strong R there is in arabic too .I love it in both of these languages.I love it in Tarja!
"The Opera" comes from the fact English isn't he first language.
Not only that but finnish /r/ sound is very hard and soft /r/ is a speech impediment in Finnish language.
Queen Tarja, ⭐️🌷👌❤️
I recommend Nightwish's Shoemaker.
Tarja may have been struggling on her final notes a bit, because she was still recovering from an infection that evening.
And Jukka had a serious head ache.
This was in 2005 with there 1st singer Tarja Turnunen 1996- 2005 , 17 years later in 2022 the redid this sing with there current singer Floor Jansen 2012- current and Guest singer The retired Dutch Phantom Henk Poort , I think it would be nice if you would check out there latest version of this , Thank you
Una versión que no me gustó
Even though I'm over Nightwish, Marco still the best Phantom!
Part of the peculiarities you've found in Tarja (she's Finnish, so the j is pronounced as an i) are just the style she adopted in her transition from opera to metal, part is that she plays Christine not as an ingenue, but as an ambitious and naive girl seduced by the Phantom. Marco was leaning hard on the grit in his voice, he can go much cleaner, even to the top notes.
The play between very lyrical and soft and gritty and powerful vocalizations is common in metal. The best example is probably Hansi Kürsch of Blind Guardian in Valhalla, where he keeps transitioning between those as the song goes between the outer and inner voice of the characters. The live versions of the piece are also perfect to illustrate the spirit of heavy metal and the relation between musicians and audience. I could write reams about it, but it's better shown. Blind Guardian are also another of Dan's favorite bands (and mine and almost every power metal fan's) and Valhalla is always asked in reaction channels, most end up doing it. The Wacken version with The Bard's Song is the favorite, but any live version will do. th-cam.com/video/i-IcX_bccFc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ygfinjnAwJ2K00YV
Sorry for being long winded. 😁😁
I really wanna see him react to "The Siren" from this show, but at the same time, i want him to listen to Ghost Love Score from the CD.... :D
I love this concert! I thoroughly enjoy this version of this song. Marco is what I wanted Gerard Butler (?) To sound like in the movie.
Also, I think Marco's dad is/was an English teacher.
And and and it's pronounced more like Tar-yah.
I can't wait to hear you sing a song in Finnish, with the perfect accent to make a video.
You have to see Tommy Johansson's version of The Phantom of the Opera. It is absolutely phenomenal. Look for the video.
32:06 If memory serves this was the last concert of their world tour and the last song of the set.
It was 5th song, but it was a last show on this tour
@@Thesizo88 ah ok, thanks for clarifying.
Aaaaahhhh! That was my reaction as well.
Tarja was fenomal in this. Hugs from Sweden.
I enjoy different performances of this song, I really like it, but every time in the end I need this "All right!")
Opera is not an english word, it's italian, so if Tarja pronounciates it as operrrrrrrrrra, it's not incorrect, because Italians use the RRRR in their pronunciation.
The initial 'slide'... you mention it could be a vocalist being lost'... how about the character being lost? Christine is trying to figure out her relationship with The Phantom... that'd make me a bit lost.
Anguish and confusion reigns... the dry punchy pitch-perfect notes always sounded to 'on-point' for the emotional content of the piece.
The sharp cutoff : Tarja was sick that night. Pulmonary/sinus issues, that inevitably affect the performance.
Over dramatized diphthongs : Her native language is Finnish, and her more intense training was in Germany. Pronunciation clashes are inevitable.
The "Opera" throwaway : I always thought this was to contrast this song with the staid environs of operatic performance.
If it was Floor on an attitude-day, she might have growled it out.
Cuz in metal, anything can be done... and this is bringing the Phantom into a new performance arena.
Vowel shapes : again, cuz Finnish. Listen to spoken Finnish and grok what happens to vowels when they are stretched out.
"So grungy" ... yes, precisely what I'd expect from a cellar-dwelling mind-worm.
A clear baritone sounds like a court barrister, to me (in typical Phantoms)
But Marco sounds like a voice-stealing Phantom should... sinister-at-the-edges is necessary., again for my tests.
The initial singing-in-unison gives me the feel of two characters who have not yet merged.
"Room for interpretation" viva the Room !!
The Jaw Shake - I've always thought her health condition may have given cause for a moment of self-doubt as she entered the 'operatic phase' . To me, the worst of the shake occurs when she is doing the initial drop-position of the lower jaw... the feeling of casting that power out through a sore naso-pharynx is something I probably can't adequately imagine. I bet my jaw might hesitate a bit on the way down. By the third sustained note, the shake is (as you noted) nearly imperceptible. Either it's "confidence-regained' or 'numbness-attained' ... not sure which.. I just know head/neck anatomy.. not a singer.
Personally, I have seen Phantom on stage several times with different male leads. I have enjoyed most of them very much. I have always believed that the Phantom was never really "allowed" to explained musically to match the true angry and resentful side of his character. I 100% believe Marco achieved the full emotion the Phantom should have been allowed to explore in the stage production. As always, peace to all and stay safe
Not for the first time, your reaction leaves me with a very mixed reaction. Beware of rash judgements - go listen to Tarja singing Mein Herr Marquis or Song to the Moon and you will get an idea of the quality of her technique and her vibrato. Her interpretation (confusion, fear) at the beginning is exactly in line with Christine's character, same with the slight distortion on "beware the Phantom of the Opera". In my opinion, your criticisms of the last note are excessive and unjustified. Tarja always has excellent breath support (you can see with your own eyes her breath support at work in her beautiful rendition of Pie Jesu). She may have been a bit apprehensive at the final run, given that she had no voice to sing at the rehearsals the previous day, that she still had over a dozen songs to get through and that this was the band's biggest show to date, in their own country and being filmed for a DvD. It can't have been easy doing these runs with Marko screaming in her ears either. But she approached it confidently and delivered. One reactor stated that, in theater performances, the final note is never sung live these days but pre-recorded. Tarja did an entire world tour singing this every night, which she wouldn't have done if she was struggling with it. This was the last concert of that world tour and her last concert with Nightwish. And it got the thumbs up from Andrew Lloyd Webber himself.
Exactly !
I disagree - I thought his comments were perfectly fair and objective. He clearly said that there was subjectivity in every listener but was careful to be extremely respectful and, as far as I could see, gave the benefit of the doubt to Tarja at every opportunity (in the sense of assuming everything was down to a choice rather than any vocal shortcoming).
I suspect that if he listened to more of Tarja in this era, he might privately realise that what he heard wasn't entirely down to a specific interpretation of character. Tarja has a lovely tone but I predict he will be more impressed when he hears Floor.
I'll just offer one other brief comment (as I sense it may be a touchy area for you) but wrt your views on breath support, that is obviously also all relative - there are songs where Tarja uses multiple breaths where others apparently don't need them so be open to appreciating others as much or more than your favourites.
@@qman2261 : Floor/Henk version might be technically more precise, but don't make him expect too much of it. It is the best version Nightwish could do in the 2020s, but it does not drip raw rock'n'rall energy over the classic the way this version does. It's more like halfway between metal and musical.
But you certainly can hear the wear and tear in Tarja's voice. Nightwish female lead sings *a lot* more hours per week than your average classical singer, and this was the last concert of the whole tour. Tarja having trouble keeping her voice in shape with their then frantic tour schedule was one of the things that increased friction in the band.
Well, they have learned and are now on a multi-year break from touring to get enough rest.
@@JariJuslin Agreed - I actually prefer this version to the Floor/Henk version and if I were to go for the perfect blend of the two I'd keep all Marko (although Henk did a great job) and have a mixture (not a blend) of the Tarja and Floor vocals on this particular song - although Floor's great (particularly in the Beste Zangers version), for some inexplicable reason it doesn't connect in the way the End of an Era performance does). These things can be over analysed. Hopefully he heads to Wacken 2013 next.
You should listen to "Kuolema Tekee Taiteilijan" from the same track which is more classical and in Finnish. Tarja was/is a fully trained soprano Opera singer. English isn't her first language so there maybe some accent and cadence crossover. Also there probably needs to some tweaking of her singing style to go with the musical style.
Interesting on the jaw shaking. I've heard different things. One analyst said it actually showed extra relaxation. Then I also heard a rock, metal singer talk about Bruce Dickenson from Iron Maiden, who does the same thing sometimes, that for metal singing it moves more air, and something to do with the very wide open mouth. There seems no consensus.
Marko is the most menaging phantom i have ever heard! True beast and beatifull stuff!
It is hard to imagine how well they sound together without hearing it!
And i can understand your confusion! I feel same when i read boot that has retranlated… it is same and also so much different in many ways. Not what you expect when you start reading… and in this case listening!
Definitivamente debes reaccionar The Siren de Nightwish con Tarja Turunen de este mismo concierto Final de una Era 2005 allí hace una voz de lamento que te sorprenderá 😁😁
About her jaw's shaking, she so often doing that during singing (not only on straight notes), for example at the concert from 2000 (From Wishes to Eternity) it was so visible and that looks so funny for me, and it was period when she started her classical higher education in German but in the future (like on this video from 2005) she still doing that so I think it was not stress or something like that but maybe her style. Greetings
Floor alsoo has some performances without a mike, well the mike is like an opera mike far from her face and mouth.
There’s never been a better Phantom than Marko. ❤ Edited to add: The later version has Floor singing with Henk Poort, who is a Dutch opera singer, but I didn’t feel the same energy as this one, and I heard it live from their show in Amsterdam. He sounded way more “standard opera,” I guess. Not very interesting and didn’t grab me like Marko’s Phantom.
The Phantom is a murderous demon ... that's the persona Marko creates (unlike the original and many other renditions).... note the lyrics at the end were changed from "sing my angel" to "scream my angel". There was flu amongst the band at this time... notably Tarja who was pretty ill
You must take into account that she also has a heavy accent in her English or maybe I should say Finglish. The big question is: is it taking anything away from the performance and delivery to this audience? And opera has certain stylistic choices (or maybe even rules) that this singer is not bound by. She is a Symphonic Metal singer, not an opera singer. I really understand it is striking to you, but it is not to this audience (or to Andrew Lloyd Webber for that matter)
Overal I really liked your analysis. It is really nice when a reactor has something more to offer then "Ow wow this is amazing"
I'd love so see more reactions to Nightwish from you.
FYI their current female vocalist (Floor) has a education in both rock and musical theater and leans more to musical theater. At least more that this singer who really leans into the operatic-style. But that does not mean Floor cannot sing opera. You really should react to "Shoemaker" where Floor goes full opera in the end. (And take a small gander at the wiki of Eugene Shoemaker to understand the song)
she sings in a foreign language
That's not surprising =) classically trained vocalists are accustomed to singing in different languages, and speaking a language and singing in one are two different beasts to take on, each for their own reasons. The fact that she has such clear diction as someone whose native tongue is not English speaks volumes of the work she did to ensure the lyrics were clear, crisp, and well-executed =)
Unless Tarja is singing in Finnish, she is always singing in a foreign language. 😉
Tarja's English pronunciation was not very good in the first Nightwish albums. This is her last concert with Nightwish, and she got a bit better at that during the years, but there's still some of if that very Finnish way of pronuncing English. We Finns call it 'rally-english', because Finnish rally drivers are well known for their poor pronunciation.
Tarja sang quite purely operatic way in the beginning of her Nightwish career. Later she started experimenting with a bit more pop/rock style singing, including pronunciation. And I think she took some influences from Marco's singing. And since they are singing a duet, she is maybe trying to match his singing a bit, including pronunciation.
I think all these things add up, and there are some bit weird pronunciation and vowel choices. I think her singing is not yet ready in all aspects at this time. But somehow quite many people like that bit weird way of pronouncing, it gives her a distinct sound.
@@goodeveningstoriesYou don t speak my language fluently! Why should i speak fluently yours? That s what i would say to them who can not stand Tarja s accent.Greetings from Greece!
@@alexandra-md5he sorry, but they chose to sing in English and therefore judging their ability to perform in English is perfectly valid. They could have chosen to sing in Finnish and dramatically reduce their worldwide appeal.
I think there's something else to be said about the context of the genre when it comes to their contrasting vocals. The studio version of the song was released in 2002, and in gothic metal, the late 90s and early 00s were the peak of this "Beauty and the Beast" vocal approach (check out Liv Kristine in the first two albums of Theatre of Tragedy). Nightwish definitely chose an excellent song to cover and adapt this approach for, but I feel like some of the choices they made definitely also falls into this wider context of where gothic metal was at the time.
I would like to hear your thoughts about Tarja singing a classical song, like Mein Herr Marquis or Vilja Lied.
Also, from Woodstock 2016, her cover of Supremacy by Muse.
Thanks for taking your time to review this performance by Nightwish. I think your reaction was honest and unbiased and I really appreciate that. I've listened to over 3,000 Nightwish reactions ( Not all to this performance :) ), and some of the points you make I've never heard before, which is really nice. I'd love it if you did delve a little further into their works, For you in particular I'd recommend "Dead Boy's Poem Live from Buenos Aires 2018". However, it's also worth checking out "Ghost Love Score (Official Live) Wacken 2013". It's kind of their signature track, and it really shows where the term "Symphonic Metal" comes in. Kind Regards from the UK!
I have been involved in choir music for years at an amateur level, and I have never heard/thought that glissandos could represent confusion/anguish.
Different musical techniques, such as a glissando, can be used in varying ways to highlight differing elements of musical cadences. In my lone experience, I'm used to hearing glissandos performed in that context (or to showcase a particular aggrandized/ histrionic whimsical element) but it isn't exclusive to that context by any means. It was actually pretty refreshing to hear it executed like this personally =)
To be fair, confusion and anguish might describe what Christine the character felt in the process of being overtaken by phantom.
This is Part of the 2003-2005s Performances of the Style Tarja used in the Lead of Nightwish lots of Projection and Varying Attacks in the Vocals to Stand Ground with the Metal, After this Performance which is Tarja's Last Hours with Nightwish her Solo Career will develop new nuances of Style Changes both from more Classical to More Bombastic. She has worked with the Scorpions and Within Temptation, but Her Style transcends through Her Work. Like all Members of Nightwish they are of High Talent and can make the Hard look Easy.
Tarja never sang fully classical with NW. She did a Wikipedia interview where she explains why. She says she sings “classical adjacent”. She does do concerts where she sings in her full classical voice and you can tell a huge difference. It doesn’t even sound like the same person. That’s why I always think it’s funny when people critic her opera singing. When you criticized her sliding, she definitely chose the latter because her fans are metal fans. They don’t want to hear full on Opera during a metal concert. If you listen to the version with the new singer, she does a more full opera sound at the beginning and it doesn’t fit.
New singer??... (2012 - present and beyond) You even find it hard to say Floor´s name. lol I like Tarja and agree with your positive comments to her. But you always find a way to bring Floor down , that bitterness is getting real old.
I think many of those vowels you noticed ant the ways she sings certain words are because of Finnish accent. She sings some of them like you speak english in Finnish accent. For example that word ”I”.
Part of Tarja's vocal style has a lot of vocal slides.
And of others have mentioned, her thick Finnish accent shapes the pronounciation and dictation. It's not why she and the band parted ways. She was going to quit to pursue a solo career and her husband/manager was being disruptive, so the band preemptively dismissed her (the day after this show). Some fans tried to make it bigger than that but that's the nutshell of the issue.
Haha. Wrong about everything. What you are hearing is Tarja being Tarja. She's one of a kind and always sounds like herself. Not that you are wrong at all, but Tarja will never be put in a box, and despite her classical training, I believe she has always justg sang the way she wants to. Check out her Christmas album from last year "Dark Christmas" (absolutelty fantastic )to see her still being Tarja many years later.
Please do these two other Phantom of the Opera versions. First the one with Floor and Hank Poort. Then the one with Nicole Scherzinger and the 4 phantoms (Simon Bowman, Earl Carpenter, Ramin Karimloo and John Owen-Jones)🙏🏻
Titles of those TH-cam videos:
1) Nicole Scherzinger - Phantom Of The Opera (Royal Variety Performance)
2) Floor Jansen & Henk Poort - Phantom Of The Opera Beste Zangers
You should check the new version; Marko and Tarja got back together singing this song (after 18 years)
Can you tell me which one? The only one I’ve found has truly awful sound, as it seems to be recorded from the back row with a cell phone. I could barely hear Marko.
Tarja for ever🤘
You should watch Tarja's supremacy cover from Milan.
Don't worry about your facial expression, we call it "stankface" and consider it a compliment 😊
The band fired Tarja the day after this concert.
26:59 Tarja was sick during this performance so that may be the reason for this happening. I'm not a singer but I can give you extra information you might not have known about beforehand.
Marco is such a big loss. This Band is not the same anymore.. also the style doesnt fit to my taste after 2018.. but we have the old stuff. Pure Greatness.
Yeah, Marco was always the big pull for me. I think all 3 female singers had something unique to add to the band and compositional choices Tuomas took. But Marco leaving made me the saddest.
Came here for eternal Tarja&Marco combo, god blessed them🤘🤘💜💜 leaving succestion you to check; Sebnem Ferah 10 Mart 2007 İstanbul concert - Can Kiriklari
Tarja is acyually a real Opera trained singer buy hesitayed to say she could do an whole Opera !
for me the real Star is Marko :D
In rock and metal music Tarja never used full operatic technique, she mixed it with more... ugh... I don't know english word for it... I mean with techniques that are used in not classical or operatic music. So it's not full operatic technique, it's something between, because she said that full operatic technique would sounds bad with metal music. From Nightwish years with Tarja, I really recommend song "The Siren" from the same concert The End of an Era. But if you really want to hear what Tarja can, I recommend her solo stuff, rock and metal songs, classical pieces, dark christmas music, everything is amazing.
If it's possible, can you react to japanese symohonic metal band 摩天楼オペラ (Matenrou Opera) and their song "喝采と激情のグロリア" (Kassai to Gekijou no Gloria) live version from their 16th anniversary concert? You will find it on their offucial channel if you type "摩天楼オペラ/喝采と激情のグロリア【Live Video】". I'm curious what would you say about vocals by their vocalist Sono, in my personal opinion he's really amazing, so I would love to hear something about him from professional singer. :)
Also I really want to hear something about my favourite vocalist Ruki from band The Gazette, I personally think he's using some classical techniques in his singing, but I don't have any music education, so... Please react to their song "Dim Scene" live from 2014, it's on TH-cam with title "the GazettE - DIM SCENE (HD live)". They ate playung rock and metal, you can find many different styles and genres in their discography.
Both bands I recommended are from japanese movement calles Visual Kei, it's as music, fashion and subculture, in both bands all members are guys, but western listeners, when they aren't familiar with Visual Kei, often think that musicians are all female, because they are weating makeup etc, and some of them have that feminine stage image. Visual Kei is in some point connected with kabuki, traditional japanese theater where all roles were played by men, so Visual Kei is like full package, both music and visuals are creating art. And in most of cases lyrics and emotions are very important, it was created to show japanese people that it's ok to be different, to talk about what you really think and about difficult topics, and to show your feelings and emotions. There are some theatrical elements in it, in music, vocals, behavior, especially in Ruki's behavior you can see that (vocalist of The Gazette). I think it can be interesting for opera singer, I think in some point it's connected. :)
I would also love to here your analyse of japanese artist Kokia, she is classically and operatically trained, but it's not her main technique she's using in her music. But in song "Il Mare Dei Suoni" she's using it, I really recommend live performance from History concert tour 2012, such amazing performance. To be honest, Kokia is the best singer I've ever heard and I think you would like her as well. :)
She said “classical adjacent” actually. These people don’t know anything about that.
@@nicholew350Who said and what people don't know?
You had really much shit to say about Tarja. But it’s Andrew Loyd Webbers favorite cover. That’s more worth it.
Con Tarja y contigo se puede ver la diferencia entre un intérprete y un cantante!,.. El intérprete siente la música y el cantante solo genera sonido! 🤷🏻♂️
It was Last song in that tour
Tarja and Floor have very strong and smooth slides. Floor can go from deep chest to high head voice with no noticeable transition. Check out Floor's solo rendition of Shallow. For an example of range listen to Nightwish's Romanticide, Floor's ending is amazing. Marko and Floor harmonizing is even better.
Heey Dude Do the Antonio Banderas Sarah brightman version with the Organ start atached. Anonio Banderas is really creepy.
Floor Jansen and Henk Poort's rendition (Lloyd Webber's favorite phantom) is also quite nice.
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React to Lydia Moisés singing "Ia Habib" in the group "Voz da Verdade". You'll like it 🖤
Tarja, the Dark Angel of Sorrow
TuomAS DECIDED THE BIG VOICE OF tARJA NEEDED TO BE mATCHED BY mETAL. He wanted to start a mood band at first but he had to natch his friends voice in his writing.
Sempre interessanti le sue analisi. Visto che lei è un cantante d'opera professionista le scrivo in italiano supponendo che un pò conosca la lingua. Visto che sta facendo una carrellata di varie interpretazioni di questo brano, mi permetta di suggerirle la versione di Kang Hyung Ho (Pitta) dei Forestella che interpreta brillantemente entrambi i ruoli. Penso che lo troverebbe interessante.
Thank you for this recommendation and kind sentiments =) and while I know some Italian, I'm more well-versed in the diction and flow of the language than knowing the actual language itself.
@@goodeveningstoriesThank you for your reply. Greetings from Italy.
Thank you for your deep analysis. It was very instructive. Tarja's jaw movement is obvious indeed, and some other reactors, opera singers as well, has regarded it as a sign of ease in her jaw. Jaw muscles are relaxed or so. I can't say which inerpretation is correct, your's or their's. Anyways I can't remember any other video with the same effect. Perhaps it is just in this particular piece of music where she needs to sing mouth so open, up and down notes and with vibrato. Which is the most important is that she sounds so rich and strong, still beautiful
Battle Royale time! This version, Floor/Henk Poort+ Nightwish, or Floor/Henk on Beste Zangers? Even if you don't react to the other two, you really should watch them. (Lots of other great material on Beste Zangers season 2019, and from Floor.)
Beste Zangers for me, easily. All the necessary NW improvements, fully controlled environment (concert is always difficult) and Floor technique. It's not to say other are worse, just BZ version is great combination of NW improvements and as-close-to-classic voices, which I really love.
@@adamlagoda1764 I lean towards that one as well. As a video, the intimate setting and the reactions of the other singers on the show set it apart.
There's no battles, this is the best version 😂
@@aresfabrega1977 in art, there's rarely the best, only preferred. And certainly this one's not the best, for this exact reason.
react to nw GHOST LOVE SCORE from 2013 live. always do nw live. you will also love epica with floor SANCTA TERRA and another opera song in the same concert.
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ALL hale the REAL TRUE QUEEN 👑 of NIGHTWISH and of ALL FEMALE SYMPHONIC METAL SINGERS!!!, tge very beautiful looking and very unique voice of the enchanting TARJA!!!😀👍👍🤘
Keep in mind that this is a Symphonic Metal band from Finland. It's Metal, not Maria Callas. Some words can be slightly off due to the accent. She speaks English better than I speak Finnish. You said that her slides feel like anguish and confusion but isn't that the definition of Christine's character. Maybe Nightwish is the only one who got it right. You did seem to like it a lot. Were you this animated when you heard Sarah Brightman sing it for the first time? This isn't a flame. I'm just having fun. Your commentary was very interesting. I wish more reactors could contribute more to what they are hearing, but alas, most are like me with very little, if any, musical background. Fun fact: The singer was fired after this concert for turning into a Diva that the band couldn't put up with. They are now on their 3rd singer who officially joined in 2013. If you are interested in hearing the most versatile, powerful and pitch perfect voice in the world then buckle up and listen to her version of the same song with guest singer Henk Poort. 😊🤘 Nightwish Phantom of the Opera: th-cam.com/video/TM23gaT4zkY/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Tarja, the absolute best singer ever of Nightwish. Amen! 🙏⭐️❤️ And don’t bother about the Floor-maffia, they just love to discredit Tarja for some weird reasons, they can just f*ck off! 🖕🖕🖕