Why Rattata is The Fastest Pokemon for Gen 2 Speedruns
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I think Youngster Joey was onto something 🐀
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He’s the reason why red went to mt silver
rats, rats, we are the rats🐀
They're the giant rat that makes all of the rules!🐀
Some minor things I'd like to point up:
Hidden Power is not actually faster than sticking with Mud Slap. I massively overestimated the amount of time Mud Slap lost, and it's turning out that sticking with Mud Slap ended up with around ~1:10-1:20 of timesave (the exact number is fuzzy as the newest iteration of the TAS isn't complete). Although in any case this just easily cements Rattata as the best option for TAS.
"RNG seed" isn't quite an accurate way of describing of Gen 2s RNG (although it is appropriate for describing Gen 3+'s RNG). The RNG rather works in tandem with a hardware timer; in this case it's just a fast timer that loops from 0-255 constantly. Even more ridiculously, the RNG simply takes this timer at points and does a simple substraction on the current RNG state. Slightly altering inputs alters the time this timer is queried, thus modifying the RNG.
Route 35 (route north of Goldenrod) is quite different in Pokemon Gold compared to Crystal. While Crystal it can be passed by avoiding spinners, this is not the case in Gold, where there are static trainers which must be fought if that route is taken.
The Abra timesave also misses the point that it is used for getting to the Power Plant twice, with the first time taking Rock Tunnel rather than the route east of Cerulean. The reason is again another Gold/Crystal difference. Gold has more unavoidable trainers east of Cerulean compared to Crystal, so while it's better for Crystal to use that route, it is not for Gold, which opts instead to use Rock Tunnel, then use the Pokemon Center right after Rock Tunnel for an Abra teleport spot for the second trip to the Power Plant.
(These reasons are also why Abra is used in RTA, they of course turn out to apply to the TAS too).
Very very interesting and exciting. I'm looking forward to the next TAS then. 👀🐀
keep on cooking goat
I'm excited to see the new TAS! Do you need a strategy to beat Jasmine like X Attack, or just spam Hyper Fang?
@@alexlamoureux1049 Jasmine just needs an X Attack, then her teams goes down easily enough without Hidden Power (instead of Hidden Power x2 Hyper Fang Hidden Power x2, it goes X Attack Mud Slap x2 Hyper Fang x3. Slight bonus here that mitigates some timeloss is the extra flinch here.
(also this is a re-reply as the previous one was wrong, I apparently can't even remember my own work lol)
@@CasualPokePlayer you're awesome, keep up the good work king
the fact that a video about an old-gen pokemon game is sponsored by a hair loss treatment company is giving me emotional damage
Ya know, I never connected these facts together until I read this. I'm also in pain now. 😭
Don't wait until it's too late fellas 😭
I'm not even remotely old (turned 17 yesterday) but this got me shaking wtf
I just shaved my head and didn't give a fu...
Did i do it wrong? Lol.
Ive never heard someone pronounce "Ecruteak" more incorrectly in my life
He massacred that poor pronunciation
It's on purpose. You fell for the bait to increase engagement
@leftysheppey you fell for the pronunciation correction bait comment used to increase engagement
@@leftysheppey damn that’s genius. I had no idea
That's how I said it as a kid. Took me like 15 years to realize it was weird
the final question is though: Would this still beat out the Totodile TAS if the player named their avatar "Joey" insteaed of A?
no
Joey would be proud
I recently completed my first Nuzlocke challenge in Pokemon Blue and after losing my first Pokemon UsagiJimbo the Nidorino to a Raticate's Hyper Fang I would get PTSD when a Rattata or Raticate would show up.
7:51 please don't tell me that's actually how Ecruteak is pronounced
Jesus no 😂 Eh-kru-teek I’m fairly sure
Eck-kru-teak
The knowledge of that pronunciation is kept for the gods
It’s not lol
@@naaga7932 that's what I always assumed it was @_@
That cannot be how you seriously pronounce ecruteak? All the towns are named after plants, it's named after teak trees.
the real top % ratata.
Red in shambles after having his entire party wiped out by a single Raticate. Now that's some real karma for the SS Anne thing.
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Definitely in the top percentage of Rattatas
I have never heard someone pronounce Ecruteak so insanely before (it’s pronounced Ek-Ro-Teek/ Ek-Ru-Teek)
I immediately pictured "FEAR" Rat. I was right
These pokemon videos are something i really look forward to, keep up the good work
I F.E.A.R this video when i watch it
Rattata: *turns to the Gameboy* "Let Me ask you, does a machine like yourself ever Experience F.E.A.R"
I’ll let the ecruteak pronunciation slide for not saying ratuh-tatuh
Wait... this actually beats out manipping Raikou? You gotta be kidding me.
Crazy right? Haha
It makes sense in the context of Gold/Silver. In those games, releasing the legendary beasts is optional, rather than a mandatory sidequest like in Crystal. It also requires fighting an optional trainer, and acquiring Rock Smash. These things make even solo Totodile line faster than Raikou.
Keep in mind too the Crystal TAS acquires Raikou (given releasing the beasts is mandatory), and even is several minutes faster than the Gold TAS (but that's probably more due to Gold/Silver having several more mandatory trainers than Crystal)
A tas for a visual novel game is something I never expected to see 💀
Love these vids pulse. Keep up the good work!
Its really interesting !
Uh-uhhh- “Ecru-tee-ahk”?
I love your music choices. Gravity Rush is always great, and Trauma Center is solid.
"I can feel it coming MD Hair tonight" is the only thing that went through my head during the sponsor...
no way this man pronounced ecruteak EH CREW DEE AK
Rattata: That's two for flinching!!
Incredible thumbnail. Top tier.
Here I thought rattata is only useful for the FEAR strategy
Have you ever heard of PokeMMO? I would love to see a speedrunner try to speedrun PokeMMO storylines.
As a certain Nuzlocker calls it "RAT POWER"(yeah i know its used for Raticate as well)
Ooh, my homie Rattata.
I guess that's why Team Rocket use a lot of those rats
That thumbnail is dope
As you mentioned, you compared Rattata any% TAS with Totodile any% RTA. But what is the Totodile any% TAS time?
Is there a TAS leaderboard available somewhere?
2:52:35
AYOOOO 4:45 THE BAKERY
Youngster Joey speedrun with his top percentage Ratatta!
top tier rat
chunky cheese
I love Gen 2!
We love gen 2
Every town is named after a tree and a color. Ecru is an eggshell white and teak is a tree. Ecru Teak. Ek-Roo-Teek. Not Ecrewdiack.
The Abra strat actually made me physically pog.
Never underestimate RAT POWER.
Joey approved
Top percent video.
NORMAL STAB SUPREMACY NORMAL STAB SUPREMACY I LOVE NORMAL STAB (featuring HP ground I guess)
I love the thumbnail, that's Rattata if it was in JoJo's, too much swag, I'm bout to run radical red with a Rattata glued to my squad, what should I name it?
Name it Joey for sure.
EK-RU-DEAK??!!!!
Hearing "Ecruteak" pronounced "Ecrudyack" made my hair fall out. It's "ecru-teak" like the teak tree.
I mean he does have a sponsor for hair treatment....
"You all mocked and laughed at me. But I told you Rattata was top percentage. I TOLD YOU!"
- Youngster Joey, probably -
Crazy? I was crazy once, they locked me in a room, a rubber room, a rubber room full of rats, and rats made me crazy
Am I right in thinking there was a really old TAS (might be like ten years old at this point) that used Geodude, and abused Magnitude, Rollout and Quick Claw to plough through everything?
How does Rattata compare to Geodude. Genuinely surprised that anything can compete with a mon that, from a very early level, has what under TAS conditions effectively becomes a 300 base-power STAB move (which even has a lovely 30 PP).
Yes there was! I was looking for that one before finding this one and its actually slower.
I only clicked the video, because of the thumbnail, who's the artist?
Credit for everything in the description!
RAT POWER
My favorite pokemon of all time.
At the same annoying, when npc uses against us💀
RAT SWEEP 🧹 🐀
...Is that how you're supposed to pronounce Ecruteak? I thought the "teak" was like "teek" like the teak tree.
No, his pronunciation is wrong
How did you pronounce Ecruteak?
I love how people triggered about the Ecruteak pronunciation 🤣
Man I clicked on this to watch a 13 minute video about Rattata only to have the first 5 minutes be about everything but Rattata 😭
It's about the journey, not the destination. And that journey needs context from other factors besides Rattata before reaching the destination. I would have gone straight to Rattata if context wasn't important!
Rats? I was rats once, they put me in a rubber, a room rubber, a room rubber with crazy, the crazy made me rats… Rats? I was rats once, they put me in a rubber, a room rubber, a room rubber with crazy, the crazy made me rats… Rats? I was rats once, they put me in a rubber, a room rubber, a room rubber with crazy, the crazy made me rats…
Thats crazy
@@theschnozzlerno it's rats
rats rats we are the rats
FEAR Rattata
That fucking thumbnail
I still didn't get how Rattata caught up to the Feraligator run.
joey would be proud
Okay but I feel like you never addressed why non tas runs wouldn’t try this route. Like couldn’t a human run still beat WR taking as many tas elements it can. Obviously wouldn’t come close to the tas WR but it must be worth looking into.
Sooo this is something I definitely wanted to add to the video, but a Rattata RNG Manipulation for Pokemon Gold/Silver currently does not exist, and very few people in the community can actually make a Manipulation for one in the first place. So comparing a human Rat vs a human Gatr run was unfortunately not an option since I have nothing to go off of for a Human Rattata run. :/
Totodile runs require you to get a decent Totodile in the beginning
Rattata relies too much on hyper fang flinches to not die against things it can't ohko with a critical hit. Raticate has defenses comparable to Totodile mind you.
Edit: unless you do extra leveling, you have to fight whitney's miltank with a Level 18 rattata, and it outspeeds you, so that's not happening lol
The heat death of the universe would occur before a human runner got lucky enough to complete a run using the TAS route.
Some things done in TASes are just flawless versions of what humans do in RTAs; but some tricks or route choices are things humans would never even attempt because they require unreasonable levels of precision or luck.
So, the reason why Rattata is better is because Totadile talks too much?
Incorrect. A bad TAS is still a TAS, while not being theoretically perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
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7:56, how the FUCK did you pronounce Ecruteak? It's ECRU-TEAK NOT ACRU-TIAK I just shook so hard in my boots
Super interesting video and great production. My only nitpick is your delivery. The majority up your sentences have your voice inflecting upwards, and then sharply downwards. If you iron that out into something more even/naturalistic, A+ work.
wait i used to to this like a year ago, this is meta now? xD
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Why do people use third party software to speed run, that's cheating and where's the fun in that?
TAS runs are supposed to be showcases of the theoretical limit for a game, they do not compete with human-completed runs and attract a different crowd of people as a whole. They're more about showcasing your knowledge of the inner workings of the game and manipulating everything you can to work in your favor. It's fun seeing these strats be TAS viable when in regular runs, they'd be anything but optimal.
TAS runs can also be done purely for fun - I highly recommend checking out a few of the runs from the TAS block hosted at GDQ (brain age is my personal favorite out of all of these)!
“Eh-Crooty-Ack”???
>Gameboy camera TAS
Truly a god mere mortals can't understand or comprehend his reasoning&logic