Why Speedrunners Use BAD Moves to Beat HeartGold SoulSilver

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  • @Messuduppotatoasia
    @Messuduppotatoasia ปีที่แล้ว +345

    Red has the same response Pokémon Showdown players have when you hax the shit out of them

    • @Moss_Dude
      @Moss_Dude ปีที่แล้ว +89

      I didn't see him screaming slurrs and coming up with every possible way he can to demean you for hacking a browser game

    • @beanslinger2
      @beanslinger2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ...

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Moss_Dude Or crying that their gonna tell on you to their totally real mod friend who'll totally ban you for life

  • @Mat-ky5gr
    @Mat-ky5gr ปีที่แล้ว +65

    ‘Once we’ve saved while we’re underground below this old dude after tweaking” is such a wack line

  • @brendanbeta487
    @brendanbeta487 ปีที่แล้ว +356

    One thing you didn’t mention is that all speed runs use the Female Character due to the catching tutorial starting quicker.

    • @StarmenRock
      @StarmenRock ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Omg it's the same as may talking too much on emerald then

    • @roku-casualenjoyer555
      @roku-casualenjoyer555 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      If im not mistaken, he already adressed that in a previous video. (Correct me if im wrong)

    • @wdinan
      @wdinan ปีที่แล้ว +19

      no its called sexism
      for legal reasons, this is a joke

    • @frozenbonkchoy4986
      @frozenbonkchoy4986 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@wdinan for honesty reasons though…

    • @homerman76
      @homerman76 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@@frozenbonkchoy4986 it really isn't though, it just shows the difference in personalities, the female avatar just happens to be more interested in giving you a more in depth explanations in Emerald and the Johto remakes than the male avatar who is a bit more interested in getting straight to the point, neither is a bad thing, nor a consistent scenario since it tends to alternate between which avatar is better for speedrunning iirc 🤔

  • @IosLocarth
    @IosLocarth ปีที่แล้ว +183

    I love that you alternate on calling them cats and dogs lmao

    • @enoyna1001
      @enoyna1001 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It drives me crazy

    • @RuijsNL
      @RuijsNL ปีที่แล้ว

      Raikou is definitely a cat, Suicine a dog for sure. Entei can be both.

    • @jebronlames987
      @jebronlames987 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They’re beasts. Very easy.

    • @AmberLB93
      @AmberLB93 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@RuijsNL been officially confirmed they are all based on big cats. raikou = tiger, entei = ,ion and suicune = leopard.

    • @TheDeathmail
      @TheDeathmail ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@AmberLB93 No, it was confirmed that they were an amalgamation of multiple beasts... which is also why they were called beasts.... not cats or dogs...
      The cat vs dog thing is more of a laurel/yanny situation... but in this case, both are right.
      People who call them dogs notice the dog inspirations more, while people who call them cats notice the cat inspiration more.

  • @samwise3744
    @samwise3744 ปีที่แล้ว +382

    Oof relying on Thunder accuracy sounds like a pain

    • @nicolaistuhlmuller8718
      @nicolaistuhlmuller8718 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Not with rng manips.

    • @CarbonGod666
      @CarbonGod666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ok

    • @plveuk813
      @plveuk813 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718it is almost impossible to rng manip battles
      the rng for battles is so inconsistent and spontaneous

  • @petrie911
    @petrie911 ปีที่แล้ว +152

    Small correction: the chance of winning the lottery is 1/65536, not 1/100000. Trainer IDs are a short integer, so they only range from 0-65535.

    • @karyoplasma
      @karyoplasma ปีที่แล้ว +32

      All the odds stated in the video are wrong. Perfect Raikou is 1 in 31^6 or 1 in 887,503,681, same for the starter all the while you don't even need perfect starter and Raikou, so realistically, the odds for a runnable starter and Raikou are much, much better. The odds of hitting 11 thunders in a row is 0.7^11 = 0.019 or about 2%.
      I assume the numbers are made up to sound impossible to create hype but they are not reliable or correct in any way.

    • @HoangPham-kx4yd
      @HoangPham-kx4yd ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@karyoplasma you forgot to accoutn for the nature in the perfect raikou, and used the wrong range for ivs. It's 1/ (32^6 * 25) or 1/26843545600, less than the rate showed in the vid
      The thunder odds of your is more correct than in the vid tho

    • @karyoplasma
      @karyoplasma ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@HoangPham-kx4yd True, I forgot Nature exists lol

    • @anyaforger844
      @anyaforger844 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@karyoplasma its 32^6*25

  • @PulseEffects
    @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Just wanted to clarify three mistakes and a clarification I did not make in the video! Everything else should be correct!
    1. I made a mistake on the probability to hit 11 Thunders. While the decimal came out to 0.02824, the percentage was actually 2.824%!
    2. The chances of winning the lottery are 1/65,536 as there are also a limited amount of Trainer IDs available in the game. I put this number out there from adding Secret IDs as well!
    3. Flash is not an HM, so it is not tied to Falkner. Rock Smash instead is!
    4. It cannot hail in Mt. Silver on January 1st. Making it possible for Blizzard to miss on Red if we do not move the time forward or backward!

    • @MrAllallalla
      @MrAllallalla ปีที่แล้ว

      Loved the video but 1. is still wrong. That's ten thunders in a row. 0.7^11 = 0.01977

  • @BlazeStorm
    @BlazeStorm ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The Rai'cow' is how I've always pronounced this pokemon as a kid, as my native language reads those letters differently. I got so excited, then your fakeout slapped me in the face lmao

  • @zoranadraws
    @zoranadraws ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The fact I recognize the radio card thing and not the random pokemon check is rather funny to me. Great video Pulse, keep it up!

  • @-penta-1357
    @-penta-1357 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Flash is a TM in HGSS though, Falkner's badge lets you use the HM for Rock Smash instead, but I get where the confusion comes from, since Flash was an HM in Gen 2.

  • @BananaReidy
    @BananaReidy ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Flash isn't bad against an ai, it allows for set up thank to the ai being scripted dumb enough not to know when to switch pokemon. The ai sometime doea but not much.

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It's unreliable though unfortunately! X-Items are much more consistent for dealing with enemy AI!

  • @belphy205
    @belphy205 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Ahh yes Riku who constantly talks about Darkness

  • @brandonwejkszner1733
    @brandonwejkszner1733 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love that it’s called tweaking

  • @ricebox3048
    @ricebox3048 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Raicow the legendary cat 🤣
    I love the mispronounced pokemon names and the amazing content!!!

    • @N12015
      @N12015 ปีที่แล้ว

      Isn't it a sabertooth?

    • @toplil4118
      @toplil4118 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@N12015 Yeah I'm pretty sure the three legendary beasts are all based off of some kind of felid, so it's appropriate enough

    • @borby4584
      @borby4584 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@toplil4118 yep. Entei is a Lion, Suicune is a Panther/Cougar (one of the two)

    • @piranhalettuce
      @piranhalettuce ปีที่แล้ว

      @@borby4584 Isn't Suicune a leopard?

    • @discat907
      @discat907 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@piranhalettuce I'm going to bite you

  • @rokka7188
    @rokka7188 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Knowing now how to RNG manipulate myself, I'm playing Soul Silver with a Cute Charm Glitch (for 20% chance for a shiny wild Pokemon with a Cute Charm lead, the lead gender also depends) and can RNG manipulate any egg to be shiny, specific nature or gender. Don't care too much for IVs now, but it was pretty time-consuming to learn first. But yes, you can do alot of things with it.

    • @GT-Rev
      @GT-Rev 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It took me almost two hours of resetting to get the glitch working on my Diamond game. Absolutely love the cute charm glitch, it made the game so much fun

  • @NathanCotrill
    @NathanCotrill ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:38
    This joke won my like

  • @Dukstless
    @Dukstless ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "Whitney, for obvious reasons"
    not really.
    casual players will get stopped by Miltank, but speedrunners fear the Clefairy because while Miltank can be predicted, Metronome can be ANYTHING so you're just praying you don't get a move that kills your run

  • @canadiangovernmentproblems767
    @canadiangovernmentproblems767 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm wondering if this RNG manipulation can be used for stuff like shines because that would honestly be awesome

    • @tunatuna511
      @tunatuna511 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes it can. I believe the TH-camr blissy has a video on it

    • @WingedEspeon
      @WingedEspeon ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It can. I have done it.
      You either need to do some tricks to discover your secret ID or start a new game and manipulate your trainer ID. I prefer the trainer ID manipulation because then you can choose the nature/IV spread you get when getting your shiney.

    • @lilianmesmo
      @lilianmesmo ปีที่แล้ว

      rng manip up to gen 4 is pretty known, there are a lot of ways to manip shinies
      google it and you'll sure find out

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

  • @wifisdead42
    @wifisdead42 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the kid with the blaster at 1:04

  • @Ttarler
    @Ttarler ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Not a big issue, but almost all computer RNG is pseudo-RNG.

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yeee a lot of folks don't know that Pokemon isn't completely random though. It's quite fun to show how well we can break them.

    • @Ttarler
      @Ttarler ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@PulseEffects oh ya - and I definitely appreciate the effort to educate the audience. Cheers for that. I’m only calling out that all but the most hardened computer systems are similarly breakable. Love to see your growth as a creator - keep up the good work.

    • @enoyna1001
      @enoyna1001 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What RNG in computers is not pseudo?

    • @bestaround3323
      @bestaround3323 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@Enoyna Those that use several lava lamps based on weather patterns.

    • @Ttarler
      @Ttarler ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@enoyna1001 Best Of covered it primarily - I work in banking we’ll use truly random processes to generate the entropy for our private keys. But outside of big banks, the government/defense, and some tech firms the cost is too high.

  • @fragnite60
    @fragnite60 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in HGSS, Zephyr Badge allow you to use HM for Rock Smash, not Flash, which a TM starting Gen4.

  • @ogeid772
    @ogeid772 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wait, how does Snorlax miss Blizzard? Doesnt Blizzard always hit under hail? Is that not a thing in gen 4?

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Starting the game on January 1st stops hail from showing up!

    • @enickma910
      @enickma910 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      more specifically, an easter egg weather called "diamond dust" replaces hail on certain dates of the year

  • @rbasi25
    @rbasi25 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My face when he called Raikou a dog... bish it's a metherflekkin cat.

  • @kleinshui9082
    @kleinshui9082 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Couldn't focus on the starting section, had to jam out to Dragon Roost Island soundtrack

  • @IIIXouIII
    @IIIXouIII ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Flash is à good move againt IA.
    Flash + thunder wave = free set up for your offensive mon.

  • @WulfricGrayscale
    @WulfricGrayscale ปีที่แล้ว

    I heard Mechonis Field start playing and I wasn't sure if I was actually hearing it or just imagining it from my Xenoblade session earlier

  • @fernboy
    @fernboy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    honestly feel bad for red in this situation. bro missed every move.

  • @hanahomemadepizza1424
    @hanahomemadepizza1424 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You mentioned a blizzard miss during the red fight, how does that happen when blizzard is guaranteed to hit during hail? Or am I misremembering and does it not hail during that fight?

    • @Slimeonian
      @Slimeonian ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No no it does hail during red’s fight. Of course the player could change the weather during the battle but idk how that would happen in this speedrun 🤔

    • @lappy6047
      @lappy6047 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Speed runners also set their date and time to have Diamond dust at the peak of Mt. Silver, negating the hail for the battle.

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +30

      It does not hail if you have your date set to January 1st! You also can't change the time and date or else it will start hailing. Minor detail I missed in the video!

  • @djwolfita3613
    @djwolfita3613 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    continuing to reset at the very start for a frame perfect input Seems like it SUUUUUCKS

    • @Rattus375
      @Rattus375 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not actually super hard to get the frame perfect start. I don't speedrun, but I've used RNG manipulation to shiny hunt and I can hit my target frame about 40% of the time, so the start of each run would only take me 5-10 minutes. And speedrunners likely have far better reaction times than I do and are probably even more consistent than I am

  • @M0rbidFates
    @M0rbidFates ปีที่แล้ว

    This sounds like that one kid on the playground. "I SWEAR if I had hit this and you had missed this then I crit here I woulda won!!"

  • @FrozenWaffle7
    @FrozenWaffle7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can finally go back to when I got a shiny gyrados

  • @kirbymastah
    @kirbymastah ปีที่แล้ว

    Legendary cats hype

  • @Hungryburgerenjoyer
    @Hungryburgerenjoyer ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i thonk oak ony checks for the Earth Badge

  • @hotaruishere2133
    @hotaruishere2133 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    IT IS PRONOUNCED RAI-KOH
    KOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH

    • @TheBBCSlurpee
      @TheBBCSlurpee ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nope. Rye-koo

    • @Raisonic
      @Raisonic ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheBBCSlurpee All of the legendary beasts are named after different Japanese words for emperor (with a word referring to the associated element before it). In Raikou’s case, the name is 雷皇 raikou “thunder emperor”, and the name is pronounced like English “rye” + “koh”, not “koo” or “ku”. This can be confirmed by listening to the Japanese name as well.

    • @TheBBCSlurpee
      @TheBBCSlurpee ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Raisonic damn that’s actually pretty dope TIL

  • @Bukkyplays
    @Bukkyplays ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pop off pulse

  • @harrisonconnelly3173
    @harrisonconnelly3173 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got 2ish percent chance when I did (0.7)^11 for 11 hits so I think you are a bit off on that one

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes this was a mistake! The decimal came out to 0.02824 when the percentage was actually 2.824%.

  • @jaythephoenix
    @jaythephoenix ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are non RNG manipulation runs a thing? A category?

    • @PulseEffects
      @PulseEffects  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. They're just not very popular in Gen 3.

  • @Yo-bj4sg
    @Yo-bj4sg ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Legendary cats? 🤨

    • @nicolaistuhlmuller8718
      @nicolaistuhlmuller8718 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well yeah, Raikou is a sabretooth tiger, Entei is a lion and Suicune is a panther. With Raikou it's the most obvious thanks to its well massive sabre teeth and a tiger pattern on its fur.

  • @kintaro1851
    @kintaro1851 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How can Blizzard miss on Mount Silver? Shouldn't it always hit due to the hail?

  • @lh3178
    @lh3178 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Crackheads 🤝 HGSS Speedrunners

  • @genshinimpact1328
    @genshinimpact1328 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the song that starts at 5:26?

    • @paula-ana4799
      @paula-ana4799 ปีที่แล้ว

      Unfounded Revenge/Smashing Song of Praise. Its a smash bros mash up of two different songs from Mother 3

    • @genshinimpact1328
      @genshinimpact1328 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paula-ana4799 thankyou

  • @dynamic8192
    @dynamic8192 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    THIS VIDEO WILL REACH 1 LAKH VIEWS

  • @theepicgaming5260
    @theepicgaming5260 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait getting pokerus was that hard? I remember having a fuck ton of Pokemon I'd eventually have that

    • @frowggang
      @frowggang ปีที่แล้ว

      Pokerus spreads/infects other mons that dont have it, to get it in the first place is the hard part. Once ya have it you can infect a box of mons.
      Also mons eventually lose the pokerus and will have to be exposed to the virus again.

  • @GlockgetaBlue69
    @GlockgetaBlue69 ปีที่แล้ว

    Riku?

  • @plveuk813
    @plveuk813 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the Cyndaquil's and Raikou's IVs were not "perfect" whatsoever
    the Cyndaquil's IVs are 4/23/21/28/5/31 rash nature
    the Raikou's IVs are 16/4/22/31/17/4 rash nature HP ice
    winning the lotto is 1/65536
    flash isn't a "bad move"

  • @Dunco64
    @Dunco64 ปีที่แล้ว

    So at what point does the runner have any agency in gameplay? Seems like everything is already set in stone and you're just checking things off of a list.

    • @user-uv2cp1qd1j
      @user-uv2cp1qd1j ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You could say the same about any speedrun

    • @Exalosia
      @Exalosia ปีที่แล้ว

      you'd have to be an insane person to speedrun a pokemon game, this is pretty par for the course

    • @plveuk813
      @plveuk813 ปีที่แล้ว

      Battles are still random

  • @MarioLuigi0404
    @MarioLuigi0404 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hear Xenoblade music
    Instant sub

  • @Dave-Lopez
    @Dave-Lopez ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @Tsuchiyomi
    @Tsuchiyomi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    you made a joke about pronouncing Raikous name wrong, and then still mispronounced it, you truely are comedy.

  • @zeapexpredator520
    @zeapexpredator520 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11 minutes, yikes

  • @omerwatch9679
    @omerwatch9679 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    first

  • @ben8698
    @ben8698 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another mispronounced Pokémon name for content

  • @d-anca3491
    @d-anca3491 ปีที่แล้ว

    How to make a Pokémon game boring, in my opinion the fun is not bug the game to get always the same and bypass stages of the game.

    • @TheBBCSlurpee
      @TheBBCSlurpee ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don’t speedrun it then lul

    • @frowggang
      @frowggang ปีที่แล้ว

      You wont be the fastest in the world without exploiting flaws in the games code, this goes for all games

  • @MichaelSmith-xj1dx
    @MichaelSmith-xj1dx ปีที่แล้ว

    Somebody in the comments lmk doesn't rain dance increase thunders accuracy