Honestly I never tried ordering any kind of PC components from AliExpress but so far, any other product I ordered was actually of better build quality than what I could buy locally which is surprising because you'd expect to get something somewhat acceptable but not vastly superior. Its actually so reliable I stopped looking around for things locally in general. So i won't be surprised if PC parts are just as good. But personally I would want for these things to be more documented before I get enough courage to buy it. Other electronics I ordered from Ali including battery powered pressure washers and various other things were actually really really good despite having very little documentation. But these things are not mission critical so I kinda don't care.
To me, one of the most interesting thing about these "Mobile CPU on Desktop Boards" is power consumption. Yet I can't see anything about that in this review and that's a pity IMO!
Years ago the shipping was alway 3 months. Nowadays I can get any item in less than 10 days. The cargo train line straight from China to my country might be a reason.
The ITX form factor was originally designed as a desktop platform for mobile CPUs anyways. If anything we've been using it wrong this whole time, and now the Chinese are the only ones using it as intended.
@@christiangomez2496 Sockets, the board size is small to make it cheap, and that also meant going socket-less. We've been making these thick many-layer ITX boards with sockets that, instead of being cheap, end up excessively expensive.
@@KiraSlith But there's ITX boards with desktop sockets in the market. Most Mini-ITX models use laptop CPUS. Which reminds me...Y'all know those PCs that use a tiny board, but the chassis was meant for a regular motherboard?
Nope. ITX is intended for thin - clients in business scenario and industrial control boards. Cheapo onboard CPU with cut cost components. But well, ITX is “abused” in many good ways nowadays. 😉
That's the one thing about motherboards from mainland China. The BIOS is usually bare-bones and some settings are missing or don't do anything. But one can get some strange stuff that might scratch a particular itch.
this brand has a very popular motherboard among the computer enthusiasts here in China named q1hy, which is 13900hk es. its price is low(around 1200 rmb) considering it's experiment sample. But it almost has no bug that affects using and as an itx motherboard it has 3 m.2 slots.
8:02 I have found that AMD APUS struggle with 1% lows because they have between 1/2, to 1/4th the cache of full CPUs, not because of system RAM(i held a DDR4 RAM OC record using a 5700G with DDR4 4933 C17-17-17-28 while still in 1:1:1 but it still had bad 1% lows compared to a 5800x) The 5700G/8700g has 1/2 the cache of the 5700X/7700x, and the 4750G has 1/4th the cache of the 3700x
I for one love the ingenuity of this kind of repurposing of components instead of just scrapping them. Anyone remember the "desktop" version of the RX 6650M? Fortunately, I can easily find better options covered by manufacturers' warranty for similar prices where I live, but if I didn't have better choices I would certainly consider them.
I shop a lot Aliexpress and they have amazing deals especially if you are looking for tray CPUs (the Ryzen 7 7700 non X goes as low as 165 USD while it's 250+ in box). Name brand Mobos and brand new GPUs are very expensive compared to most local retailers.
I got a similar board called the Erying M-ITX i5-13500H SRMHY which, as the name implies, has an Intel mobile CPU. It's fantastic because it comes with USB-C and doesn't constantly trip my crappy house's power breaker like my last gaming PC with a desktop CPU did. Chinese recycling/upcycling culture is fantastic and something us westerners (and indeed our tech markets) can learn something from! The BIOS/UEFI may be rough and the hardware might have some ugly heatsink bodges, but it's surprisingly effective if you need to make a computer build with the lowest possible wattage that a desktop CPU would never be able to do.
Was it low cost? I've seen 13900h/hx go for the same of lower cost than the i5. Plus there's a 7940hx which is an absolutely performance monster, matching and trading blows with 14700k i7. Mentioning cuz I've seen some great minisforum deals on it.
@@yasirrakhurrafat1142 It was actually 331 USD - its decent cost was one of the biggest reasons why I got the Erying board that I did because I needed a mobo with USB-C, had a laptop CPU, and wouldn't break the bank.
@@yasirrakhurrafat1142 Yup! It's not Thunderbolt, but it is a USB 3.0 Type-C port so it does meet the minimum requirements for a Meta Quest VR Link. More than enough for me.
I use this ITX-Motherboard for Unraid, and what can i say, its perfect for a little NAS with Power. Transcoding movies in Emby with no problems and it has a lot of power and no power consumption.
I love this stuff. I think it's great that the chinese are salvaging ewaste or repurposing these mobile components. I have been super happy with my Erying 11900H. It's also encouraging to see sellers upfront about complications and quirks. Its transparency.
@@alderlake12th judging by his name, it seems to be India. also, it's kind of... hypocritical for India (or Modi, specifically) to go against China, seeing as both of them are in B.R.I.C.S after all.
@@jamesbrendan5170 well china has its problems with all its neighbours so we can't say anything about that. Regardless even if ali express wasn't banned in India, even then it would've cost us double due to high import taxes 😢
I just got 25000 points in R23 with the 12900HX you mentioned, I thought this one would be more powerful to be honest. Great review, love this weird things
HX CPUs from both AMD and Intel are desktop CPUs in a mobile form factor, using the exact same silicon. When their power limits are removed, they end up performing like their desktop counterparts.
@@sahara8771infact I was thinking "oh my god, why he didn't pick the 6900HX" It's the best one and probably he would had a better support for 3200mhz ram that on ddr4 are a good spot for a mobile chip.
The 12900HX is a 12900K in mobile soldered form. With the power limits removed it would be identical or even a bit ahead thanks to having to be direct-die cooled.
You see my friend, I am from Ukraine and I speak Russian, so I know all about these innovations of all kinds because I watched Russian and Ukrainian channels on them lol for years now The level of ingenious stuff Chinese can repurpose is incredible. They restarted Xeon 2690v1/v2/v3/v4 server CPUs with their X99 and X299 motherboard variants into full on gaming machines competing with i9-9900k at the time. Motherboards were repurposed from scrapped server motherboards and soldered on modern boards with modern mosfets/VRMs and accepting NVME PCIE 3.0 slots now. Adding laptop chips was another creation by China, because they had millions of "burned" motherboards, but with tons of parts to use, and tons of laptops that could not work for whatever reason. I can't say that I am not impressed. Considering most Ukraine and Russia cannot afford top of the line CPUs and GPUs, they are a HUGE market for those creations, and some of them are incredible. I had dual Xeon E5-2678 v3 cpu set up, but motherboard longevity is questionable, mine had issues from day one, and had to be refunded. Seller did not even care for the board, he just gave me money back and I tried to BIOS flash using specialized tools, by reprogramming the BIOS chip externally. It worked, then it didn't work again. I even bought 129 dollar programmer trying to revive that board. The issue with these motherboard is that they love to re-use mosfets from old motherboards and old VRMs. So, you are buying a board without warranty. It can last you for years, or crap out in 2 weeks. Such brands include Jingsha, Killsre, Machinist, Huananzhi. Those dude manufactured some dope concepts, but BIOS is super limited as well
If your still planning on looking at more of these laptop cpus i probably recommend looking at the i9 12900hx es that’s been appearing on aliexpress as of lately.
Talking about the cooling solution, IIRC some of those integrated CPU ITX board companies have vapour chamber heatspreader instead of that hunk of aluminium for spreading the CPU heat under protection
I recently purchased a N100 system from topton myself to use as an opnsense router. Surprised at the build quality and out of the box usability for the price.
These Mobile CPU based boards are also pretty good for low-power server use as well, as they can often have a lower TDP than desktop CPUs; yeah sure it might seem like a desktop offering, but the APU can transcode content, dual 2.5gbe makes it decent for server use and the extra slot can either hold a 10gbe ethernet card, or dedicated GPU.
There are tons of these with Rocket Lake chips too. I guess an overabundance of stock after Alder Lake. So you can get one of these with an i9-11900H on it. Imagine a serious Mini ITX motherboard with an i9-14900HX on it? That will get people excited.
There are already 13900HX offerings from Minisforum. They have always existed for the last 25+ years in industrial livery. I owned one from Kontron. It was such a sweet board.
£240 places it at an interesting prospect for compact systems, but for regular systems, you're better off getting a 7700 off of Ali for £140, and a B650 for like £80.
I'm running something very similar from Minisforum, only with PCIe 5.0 16X and they do a 8c/16t or a 16c/32t variant. Included HS (add your own fan) does a semi ok job of cooling but these CPUs are designed to be cooking in laptops anyway.
Video suggestion. Whats the most powerful video card with pairing with thunderbolt or oculink. You almost always see these interfaces tested with high end gpus that are knee capped by the interface.
Every card takes a performance hit when connected via thunderbolt or oculink. Reason is the added latency and protocol conversion. Faster cards take a bigger hit once the connection becomes banhwith constrained (somewhere around PCIe gen3x16 or gen4x8 on a 4080/90). Few you'll always get at least 50% perforrance out, but 1% will suffer the most due to that latency penalty.
I have this board. I got it for my kid's PC, the 780m in the 7840u is enough for her needs. I was disappointed to find it doesn't support XMP/EXPO or PBO, it's also limited to 5600MT/s max. You can set timing manually, but not RAM voltages, so you're not getting far. Mine did fit the stock cooler I got with my 5600x few years back, though I did have to remove the trim ring on it for clearance.
You can significantly reduce the temperature by replacing the CPU paste with either Liquid Metal (only with the IHS that are copper or contain a copper core) or more practically, thermal grizzly kryosheet
I have an i5 12500H soldered on to an itx board by Erying and it's fairly cromulent. Replaced my Ryzen 5 3600 I've been using for work with it given it benched 50% higher in cinebench - it even had a USBc header for the front panel and the bios actually looks rather modern and nice. Whole thing has been reliable and solid performance so it's living in my work desk (instead of going in to a Nas as I'd originally intended, hoping the igpu would be better for quicksync than the i3-8100 in my current Nas - looks like I'll have to get a second one). Threw a sparkle A770 intel GPU in it for shits and giggles and it's playing quite friendly whilst giving me a fair crack of gpu memory for llm models.
there has been some intel laptop chipsets soldered onto motherboards in ali express for a while. i bought an erying 13900hk i9 for like 200 bucks a few months ago. its awesome!
Interesting theme about this combos being picky with ram, I have an x99 and I couldn't manage to make it work with kingston ram too, but with hikvision
I think it’s important to point out that all these weird pieces of hardware that AliExpress is selling isn’t “for us”. It’s very popular and sells a lot in countries like South America. All their intel Xeon systems and mobile gpu and apu systems are really popular in those countries where regular hardware has import restrictions or just really, really expensive for the average person.
This and the few HX laptop chips showing up recently from Aliexpress looks pretty cool. They're cheaper than equivalent desktop counterparts, comparable performance. Slightly jank though.
You have to test the i9 11900h from erying for 160 us is amazing and it can two videos, one it proper review and another in a complete build with a low price gaming pc that can handle any game. Wonderful video as always, greetings from Argentina i love your videos, i give you the falklands if u want
Its just like Erying, except this one is AMD and they aiming for NAS. If you are aiming for a gaming rig, Erying is better option. - Option for more powerful CPU+more cores. (such as 14900HX) - Higher speed ram support. - ARGB connector + software - Better bios - PCIE x16 support for GPU.
Ah yes the mutant boards. Something to be considered? The power consumption. Pair this board with an A2000, 3050 LP or 4060 LP GPU and a small formfactor chassis and you can game at 1080p or more while only sipping power. 1080p and 1440p high refresh portable monitors are VERY cheap now a days... Could be worth a look.
Aliexpress lowkey got some strange cpus, a video about the 12600hx, 12900hx,13850hx and thhe 13950hx (es) that have been fully converted to lga 1700 would be nice video i have been seeing these strange cpus floating around ali-express and they have been catching my eye with the low prices.
This is not a desktop. This is embedded solution. For small servers and nettops. There are a lot of mITX motherboards with mobile Ryzens from ChangWang (CWWK) and others. And this is not Topton. It's TOPC. Topton is a shop that specializing on mini-PC, mini-servers and embedded solutions. And there are actually more interesting implementations like CWWK's - with 4 2.5GBASE I226 controllers, several additional SATA controllers, two m.2, internal USB s for keys and SO-DIMMs. For powerful NAS or VMs.
Would be interesting to see you delve into the bios settings with smokeless umaf for the ram pc? Umaf might unlock these settings and maybe fix the timings aswell 🤔
Thanks for the review. If this was about 200 pounds it would be an awesome value for money. But for a little more for 250 you an get a used mini ITX DDR5 and a used 7600X which would destroy this thing. For context I got more than a year ago a 7600X for 150 euros and a Gigabyte B650I ITX board for 200 euros. Total 350 euros and it was and still is money well spent. I know you came to this conclusion as well but just wanted to state this for people getting into ITX. Also damn, that BIOS is what you get in laptops, just terrible. I wonder if you direct die cooled the cpu with some mods if it would performed much better. Probably der8auer or some mods would allow for it.
Chipset doesn't matter the Memory Controler is inside the CPU (IMC). Mobile CPUs from AMD do NOT support EXPO and I don't think that Topton has any interest in validating RAM and building there own profile lists however it would be nice for there EFI (BIOS) to allow for manually configering the IMC outside of the JEDEC profiles.
Hi can you do a review on the mobile i9 14900hx desktop and compare them with proper desktop cpu benchmarks? Also some overclocks if its possible please!
Blegh Starfield...... it looks like Active Worlds but demands like crysis. What a train wreck of a game. oh yeah your review was excellent as always. Thank you good sir!
will we see any of those mutant chips you mentioned near the beginning? there's not a whole lot of info about them on the english parts of the internet.
It’s actually not too hard to spot the fake reviews but the fact one needs to spend time to do it is an issue… Having said that, there are some genuinely great sellers and good quality products. Always compare to your local stores like Amazon as some products are very competitively priced locally already. But there are those 4x markup items that you can save quite a bit with patience.
If it's any stable, I'd actually consider it for a NAS Setup. Question is whether I can get AMF accelerated encoding/decoding to work, which was a pain in the older G series cpus.
Powerful mobile CPU/APUs on desktop boards are interesting for efficiency, but one of the complaints I've seen online on these kind of boards and China-brand boards is the issue on S3 Standby state. Any idea if the board you got works properly when set to Sleep then woken up after?
The CPU cache is why CP2077 is running so much worse, match that same system vs a 5800x3d the gap is likely worse between the desktop tested here and that one. A GTX 1080Ti could BARELY start to saturate a 2.0 x8 lane and it was tail end of 3.0 x16 cards, that 3080ti isn't making that x8 4.0 break a sweat.
It has decent price and I feel like this setup would work well with RTX4060 cards that use only 8 lanes anyway. But are those price savings worth the jank? I'm not sure especially if something like R5 7500 with GPU has this beat in gaming performance and you avoid all that jank and you actually can pick and match the motherboard features. It's still interesting though.
$300 for mobo+cpu, any microcenter cpu+ram+mobo deal will be better. Mobile CPUs have less cache. Even a 5700x3d + cheapest (or used) b450/550 board will be better without risking china jank & no support if you run into issues like your ram not working or getting xmp.
There are benefits to having 300-400fps in online shooters even on a 144hz monitor, yes there is an actual difference and yes the difference is very small but it's annoying when the presentation makes it sound like there's no difference even though it's technically true that 200fps will max out a 144hz screen.
AliExpress has turned from scam junk to weird jank in the past few years, and I'm all up for it...
temu and wish has replaced aliexpress as the scam junk sites, basically.
agree
The scam junk is still there but now there's real products that people might want to buy. Better than Temu which is just scam junk.
Honestly I never tried ordering any kind of PC components from AliExpress but so far, any other product I ordered was actually of better build quality than what I could buy locally which is surprising because you'd expect to get something somewhat acceptable but not vastly superior. Its actually so reliable I stopped looking around for things locally in general. So i won't be surprised if PC parts are just as good. But personally I would want for these things to be more documented before I get enough courage to buy it.
Other electronics I ordered from Ali including battery powered pressure washers and various other things were actually really really good despite having very little documentation. But these things are not mission critical so I kinda don't care.
ew.
To me, one of the most interesting thing about these "Mobile CPU on Desktop Boards" is power consumption. Yet I can't see anything about that in this review and that's a pity IMO!
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You can see at 3:25, cpu power 65w
@@sparkletornado5890 that is not the power draw, it does not take into account vrm efficiency and might be even reported wrong
Mobo plus high performance 8cores for $300?
Too good to be true. lmao
If I had the spare money I would buy it.
@@Splarkszter at 4800 mem speed and 8x pcie?
I was expecting this to be that Ryzen 4800S desktop kit, but this is also quite interesting
I wish!
@@IcebergTech Hmm, could that be some kind of foreshadowing? 🙃
That would be interesting too
You mean, the PS5?
@@IcebergTechi dont think wish has it.
AliExpress has come a long way over the years. Its the best place to get mini PCs and the delivery times are into the months or weeks anymore.
Years ago the shipping was alway 3 months. Nowadays I can get any item in less than 10 days. The cargo train line straight from China to my country might be a reason.
The ITX form factor was originally designed as a desktop platform for mobile CPUs anyways. If anything we've been using it wrong this whole time, and now the Chinese are the only ones using it as intended.
I wonder how were we misusing ITX?
Not really.
VIA invented it for their low powered Epia CPU's.
Not many made it into laptops
@@christiangomez2496 Sockets, the board size is small to make it cheap, and that also meant going socket-less. We've been making these thick many-layer ITX boards with sockets that, instead of being cheap, end up excessively expensive.
@@KiraSlith But there's ITX boards with desktop sockets in the market. Most Mini-ITX models use laptop CPUS.
Which reminds me...Y'all know those PCs that use a tiny board, but the chassis was meant for a regular motherboard?
Nope. ITX is intended for thin - clients in business scenario and industrial control boards. Cheapo onboard CPU with cut cost components. But well, ITX is “abused” in many good ways nowadays. 😉
That's the one thing about motherboards from mainland China. The BIOS is usually bare-bones and some settings are missing or don't do anything. But one can get some strange stuff that might scratch a particular itch.
this brand has a very popular motherboard among the computer enthusiasts here in China named q1hy, which is 13900hk es. its price is low(around 1200 rmb) considering it's experiment sample. But it almost has no bug that affects using and as an itx motherboard it has 3 m.2 slots.
When can we expect a GOAT of weird AliExpress MB combos series?
Now this is what whe need 👌
8:02 I have found that AMD APUS struggle with 1% lows because they have between 1/2, to 1/4th the cache of full CPUs, not because of system RAM(i held a DDR4 RAM OC record using a 5700G with DDR4 4933 C17-17-17-28 while still in 1:1:1 but it still had bad 1% lows compared to a 5800x) The 5700G/8700g has 1/2 the cache of the 5700X/7700x, and the 4750G has 1/4th the cache of the 3700x
i want to take a bite out of it.
They’re not those kind of chips.
Same dude. I wanna eat it.
*Byte
lol
Hello Mr. Iceberg.
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would like to see a video of the mobile chips modded onto lga 1700 and how well they work with standard motherboards.
Wendell already did that yesterday!
Or core ultra. Tho these are incompatible with lga1700...
Yep, keep an eye on @Level1Techs for just that kind of content!
I for one love the ingenuity of this kind of repurposing of components instead of just scrapping them. Anyone remember the "desktop" version of the RX 6650M? Fortunately, I can easily find better options covered by manufacturers' warranty for similar prices where I live, but if I didn't have better choices I would certainly consider them.
I shop a lot Aliexpress and they have amazing deals especially if you are looking for tray CPUs (the Ryzen 7 7700 non X goes as low as 165 USD while it's 250+ in box). Name brand Mobos and brand new GPUs are very expensive compared to most local retailers.
any trustable seller to mention?
I got a similar board called the Erying M-ITX i5-13500H SRMHY which, as the name implies, has an Intel mobile CPU. It's fantastic because it comes with USB-C and doesn't constantly trip my crappy house's power breaker like my last gaming PC with a desktop CPU did. Chinese recycling/upcycling culture is fantastic and something us westerners (and indeed our tech markets) can learn something from! The BIOS/UEFI may be rough and the hardware might have some ugly heatsink bodges, but it's surprisingly effective if you need to make a computer build with the lowest possible wattage that a desktop CPU would never be able to do.
Was it low cost?
I've seen 13900h/hx go for the same of lower cost than the i5.
Plus there's a 7940hx which is an absolutely performance monster, matching and trading blows with 14700k i7.
Mentioning cuz I've seen some great minisforum deals on it.
@@yasirrakhurrafat1142 It was actually 331 USD - its decent cost was one of the biggest reasons why I got the Erying board that I did because I needed a mobo with USB-C, had a laptop CPU, and wouldn't break the bank.
@@MajatekYT oh it has usb c?
Does it also have thunderbolt, and what is the maximum usb version?
3.0, 4.0? Or higher?
@@yasirrakhurrafat1142 Yup! It's not Thunderbolt, but it is a USB 3.0 Type-C port so it does meet the minimum requirements for a Meta Quest VR Link. More than enough for me.
the design is very human
I love this garden shed approach they have with tech.
I use this ITX-Motherboard for Unraid, and what can i say, its perfect for a little NAS with Power. Transcoding movies in Emby with no problems and it has a lot of power and no power consumption.
I was half expecting this to be that mini ITX AM5 "Night Devil" motherboard that people are buying solely cuz mini ITX AM5 shit is stupid expensive rn
Not gonna lie. That block of aluminium for heat spreader goes hard af. This is not even that bad of a value proposition.
I love this stuff. I think it's great that the chinese are salvaging ewaste or repurposing these mobile components.
I have been super happy with my Erying 11900H.
It's also encouraging to see sellers upfront about complications and quirks. Its transparency.
That's a cool board Mr. Iceberg, only if AliExpress wasn't banned in my country.....
What was your country?
@@alderlake12th judging by his name, it seems to be India.
also, it's kind of... hypocritical for India (or Modi, specifically) to go against China, seeing as both of them are in B.R.I.C.S after all.
Wait in what country is it banned?
@@jamesbrendan5170 well china has its problems with all its neighbours so we can't say anything about that.
Regardless even if ali express wasn't banned in India, even then it would've cost us double due to high import taxes 😢
@@alderlake12th it is banned in indonesia too :(
There's also 7940HS . The memory can be overclocked up to 8000Mt/s +
I just got 25000 points in R23 with the 12900HX you mentioned, I thought this one would be more powerful to be honest. Great review, love this weird things
HX CPUs from both AMD and Intel are desktop CPUs in a mobile form factor, using the exact same silicon. When their power limits are removed, they end up performing like their desktop counterparts.
@@sahara8771infact I was thinking "oh my god, why he didn't pick the 6900HX"
It's the best one and probably he would had a better support for 3200mhz ram that on ddr4 are a good spot for a mobile chip.
The 12900HX is a 12900K in mobile soldered form. With the power limits removed it would be identical or even a bit ahead thanks to having to be direct-die cooled.
@@DigitalJedi mine is not, it has an IHS, although I "liquid metaled" it
You see my friend, I am from Ukraine and I speak Russian, so I know all about these innovations of all kinds because I watched Russian and Ukrainian channels on them lol for years now
The level of ingenious stuff Chinese can repurpose is incredible.
They restarted Xeon 2690v1/v2/v3/v4 server CPUs with their X99 and X299 motherboard variants into full on gaming machines competing with i9-9900k at the time. Motherboards were repurposed from scrapped server motherboards and soldered on modern boards with modern mosfets/VRMs and accepting NVME PCIE 3.0 slots now. Adding laptop chips was another creation by China, because they had millions of "burned" motherboards, but with tons of parts to use, and tons of laptops that could not work for whatever reason.
I can't say that I am not impressed.
Considering most Ukraine and Russia cannot afford top of the line CPUs and GPUs, they are a HUGE market for those creations, and some of them are incredible.
I had dual Xeon E5-2678 v3 cpu set up, but motherboard longevity is questionable, mine had issues from day one, and had to be refunded. Seller did not even care for the board, he just gave me money back and I tried to BIOS flash using specialized tools, by reprogramming the BIOS chip externally. It worked, then it didn't work again. I even bought 129 dollar programmer trying to revive that board.
The issue with these motherboard is that they love to re-use mosfets from old motherboards and old VRMs. So, you are buying a board without warranty. It can last you for years, or crap out in 2 weeks.
Such brands include Jingsha, Killsre, Machinist, Huananzhi. Those dude manufactured some dope concepts, but BIOS is super limited as well
It's a good day when you get a Iceberg video...
Very normal
The design is very human
I did a full slip angle kit and pedal haptics for my sim rig in Ali Express for a total of about $180AUD. Crazy what you can find
If your still planning on looking at more of these laptop cpus i probably recommend looking at the i9 12900hx es that’s been appearing on aliexpress as of lately.
they look pretty interesting, if you ask me...
could be a good way to build a cheap efficient gaming pc while you slap an AMD or NVIDIA card on it
I love these could be great buy curio builds. Thanks mate for another excellent video!
Talking about the cooling solution, IIRC some of those integrated CPU ITX board companies have vapour chamber heatspreader instead of that hunk of aluminium for spreading the CPU heat under protection
I recently purchased a N100 system from topton myself to use as an opnsense router. Surprised at the build quality and out of the box usability for the price.
These Mobile CPU based boards are also pretty good for low-power server use as well, as they can often have a lower TDP than desktop CPUs; yeah sure it might seem like a desktop offering, but the APU can transcode content, dual 2.5gbe makes it decent for server use and the extra slot can either hold a 10gbe ethernet card, or dedicated GPU.
OMG 😮😳🤯😱😱😱
THIS IS WAYY MUCH BETTER AND POWERFUL !!! 😳🤯🤯🤯
There are tons of these with Rocket Lake chips too. I guess an overabundance of stock after Alder Lake. So you can get one of these with an i9-11900H on it. Imagine a serious Mini ITX motherboard with an i9-14900HX on it? That will get people excited.
There are already 13900HX offerings from Minisforum. They have always existed for the last 25+ years in industrial livery. I owned one from Kontron. It was such a sweet board.
@@squirrel6687 kontron?
how you've not surpassed 100k subscribers baffles me this much effort goes unnoticed
also i'm a sucker for weird ass motherboards LOL
£240 places it at an interesting prospect for compact systems, but for regular systems, you're better off getting a 7700 off of Ali for £140, and a B650 for like £80.
Itx format and just as good idle power consumption?
topton makes mini pc's that the homelab community likes to use as routers
That bios brought me back to LGA 775 😭
Honestly I commend these sellers for taking recycled older CPU’s and other components and hodgepodge-ing them together completely useable pc’s.
Nothing against but must be declared otherwise it's cheating...
@@Stemo5167 Declared as what? To who?
oh thats funny i was thinking about buying this thing for a diy nas yesterday.
I'm running something very similar from Minisforum, only with PCIe 5.0 16X and they do a 8c/16t or a 16c/32t variant. Included HS (add your own fan) does a semi ok job of cooling but these CPUs are designed to be cooking in laptops anyway.
Thanks for this review, exactly what I was looking for !
I kinda like it. I support this thing. I just wanted that to be in a regular cpu package so you cold replace if needed
kinda reminds me of when sony was selling just the ps5 apu on a pcb but that had no pcie slots
You said normal and AliExpress in the same sentence. This shall not pass quietly into the night.
Video suggestion. Whats the most powerful video card with pairing with thunderbolt or oculink. You almost always see these interfaces tested with high end gpus that are knee capped by the interface.
Every card takes a performance hit when connected via thunderbolt or oculink. Reason is the added latency and protocol conversion. Faster cards take a bigger hit once the connection becomes banhwith constrained (somewhere around PCIe gen3x16 or gen4x8 on a 4080/90). Few you'll always get at least 50% perforrance out, but 1% will suffer the most due to that latency penalty.
I have this board. I got it for my kid's PC, the 780m in the 7840u is enough for her needs. I was disappointed to find it doesn't support XMP/EXPO or PBO, it's also limited to 5600MT/s max. You can set timing manually, but not RAM voltages, so you're not getting far. Mine did fit the stock cooler I got with my 5600x few years back, though I did have to remove the trim ring on it for clearance.
You can significantly reduce the temperature by replacing the CPU paste with either Liquid Metal (only with the IHS that are copper or contain a copper core) or more practically, thermal grizzly kryosheet
I have an i5 12500H soldered on to an itx board by Erying and it's fairly cromulent. Replaced my Ryzen 5 3600 I've been using for work with it given it benched 50% higher in cinebench - it even had a USBc header for the front panel and the bios actually looks rather modern and nice.
Whole thing has been reliable and solid performance so it's living in my work desk (instead of going in to a Nas as I'd originally intended, hoping the igpu would be better for quicksync than the i3-8100 in my current Nas - looks like I'll have to get a second one).
Threw a sparkle A770 intel GPU in it for shits and giggles and it's playing quite friendly whilst giving me a fair crack of gpu memory for llm models.
ryzen powered mini pcs: the fact these exists in itx mothreboard is astonishes me.... its verry ctrange
there has been some intel laptop chipsets soldered onto motherboards in ali express for a while. i bought an erying 13900hk i9 for like 200 bucks a few months ago. its awesome!
this would make a perfect minecraft server, or LAN party PC build!
hmm that's actually an interesting concept worth exploring.
Interesting theme about this combos being picky with ram, I have an x99 and I couldn't manage to make it work with kingston ram too, but with hikvision
I think it’s important to point out that all these weird pieces of hardware that AliExpress is selling isn’t “for us”. It’s very popular and sells a lot in countries like South America. All their intel Xeon systems and mobile gpu and apu systems are really popular in those countries where regular hardware has import restrictions or just really, really expensive for the average person.
This and the few HX laptop chips showing up recently from Aliexpress looks pretty cool. They're cheaper than equivalent desktop counterparts, comparable performance. Slightly jank though.
You have to test the i9 11900h from erying for 160 us is amazing and it can two videos, one it proper review and another in a complete build with a low price gaming pc that can handle any game. Wonderful video as always, greetings from Argentina i love your videos, i give you the falklands if u want
Had to give the cmos battery some love
Its just like Erying, except this one is AMD and they aiming for NAS.
If you are aiming for a gaming rig, Erying is better option.
- Option for more powerful CPU+more cores. (such as 14900HX)
- Higher speed ram support.
- ARGB connector + software
- Better bios
- PCIE x16 support for GPU.
Holy moly RDNA APU integrated onto a board which is a better deal than Vegas? Yessir!
I have a board like this from an old workstation. Soldered e1-7010 and an external power brick.
Ah yes the mutant boards. Something to be considered? The power consumption. Pair this board with an A2000, 3050 LP or 4060 LP GPU and a small formfactor chassis and you can game at 1080p or more while only sipping power. 1080p and 1440p high refresh portable monitors are VERY cheap now a days... Could be worth a look.
For htpc builds this could be a great option considering the price, but I would still prefer normal desktop chips for upgradeability.
Aliexpress lowkey got some strange cpus, a video about the 12600hx, 12900hx,13850hx and thhe 13950hx (es) that have been fully converted to lga 1700 would be nice video i have been seeing these strange cpus floating around ali-express and they have been catching my eye with the low prices.
Nothing wrong with losing an evening on the AliExpress Rabbit Hole
This is not a desktop. This is embedded solution. For small servers and nettops. There are a lot of mITX motherboards with mobile Ryzens from ChangWang (CWWK) and others. And this is not Topton. It's TOPC. Topton is a shop that specializing on mini-PC, mini-servers and embedded solutions.
And there are actually more interesting implementations like CWWK's - with 4 2.5GBASE I226 controllers, several additional SATA controllers, two m.2, internal USB s for keys and SO-DIMMs. For powerful NAS or VMs.
Also, quite a few companies in Taobao has recycled Xeon D1581 server chip into NAS motherboards lol
The main problem of overheating is the gap between the improvised ihs and cpu
Try to direct die cooling or polish the legs of ihs to get a minimum gap
Would be interesting to see you delve into the bios settings with smokeless umaf for the ram pc? Umaf might unlock these settings and maybe fix the timings aswell 🤔
you should benchmark the steam deck, they're cheap to pick up and are a nice alternative to mini PCs since it's portable.
Interesting prospect for an Unraid box or something similar.
the thumbnail made me think it was a trx threaripper motherboard
The low rise cooler has choked venting...
yeah ... no ... the 4800MT/s memory is a no-go. it looks like a compatibility choice since they are selling it with a 6k ryzen.
Thanks for the review. If this was about 200 pounds it would be an awesome value for money. But for a little more for 250 you an get a used mini ITX DDR5 and a used 7600X which would destroy this thing. For context I got more than a year ago a 7600X for 150 euros and a Gigabyte B650I ITX board for 200 euros. Total 350 euros and it was and still is money well spent. I know you came to this conclusion as well but just wanted to state this for people getting into ITX. Also damn, that BIOS is what you get in laptops, just terrible.
I wonder if you direct die cooled the cpu with some mods if it would performed much better. Probably der8auer or some mods would allow for it.
this have gpu approx near gtx 1650 so u must consider it too
Chipset doesn't matter the Memory Controler is inside the CPU (IMC). Mobile CPUs from AMD do NOT support EXPO and I don't think that Topton has any interest in validating RAM and building there own profile lists however it would be nice for there EFI (BIOS) to allow for manually configering the IMC outside of the JEDEC profiles.
Owner of a RTX 3080m 8GB desktop card paired with a i7 6700k @ 4.4GHz stable bios OC + software undervolt, 3200MHz 16GB(2x8GB) GSKill DDR4, 1440p 165hz AOC monitor, running mobo,cpu,ram,ssd since 2016
ive seen that thing recently on aliExpress very interesting
Now when I see oculink performance.... It is going to be crazy on steam deck 2.
I wonder how cool it'd be without the aluminum heat spreader
Hi can you do a review on the mobile i9 14900hx desktop and compare them with proper desktop cpu benchmarks? Also some overclocks if its possible please!
these have always been extremely interesting motherboards. from a high efficiency mindset they are really cool
great video! can you use ECC Ram in that mother?
Blegh Starfield...... it looks like Active Worlds but demands like crysis. What a train wreck of a game. oh yeah your review was excellent as always. Thank you good sir!
Could you make a NAS with this? Perhaps to store all your video projects?
I have a 8845HS on my laptop and it's actually almost as fast as my 7800X3D.
will we see any of those mutant chips you mentioned near the beginning? there's not a whole lot of info about them on the english parts of the internet.
It’s actually not too hard to spot the fake reviews but the fact one needs to spend time to do it is an issue…
Having said that, there are some genuinely great sellers and good quality products. Always compare to your local stores like Amazon as some products are very competitively priced locally already. But there are those 4x markup items that you can save quite a bit with patience.
If it's any stable, I'd actually consider it for a NAS Setup.
Question is whether I can get AMF accelerated encoding/decoding to work, which was a pain in the older G series cpus.
This looks like it would make a good opnsense/pfsense box - dual 2.5GB and a low power consumption AP
Thumbs up based on title alone. Cheers!
Powerful mobile CPU/APUs on desktop boards are interesting for efficiency, but one of the complaints I've seen online on these kind of boards and China-brand boards is the issue on S3 Standby state. Any idea if the board you got works properly when set to Sleep then woken up after?
The CPU cache is why CP2077 is running so much worse, match that same system vs a 5800x3d the gap is likely worse between the desktop tested here and that one. A GTX 1080Ti could BARELY start to saturate a 2.0 x8 lane and it was tail end of 3.0 x16 cards, that 3080ti isn't making that x8 4.0 break a sweat.
It has decent price and I feel like this setup would work well with RTX4060 cards that use only 8 lanes anyway. But are those price savings worth the jank?
I'm not sure especially if something like R5 7500 with GPU has this beat in gaming performance and you avoid all that jank and you actually can pick and match the motherboard features.
It's still interesting though.
$300 for mobo+cpu, any microcenter cpu+ram+mobo deal will be better. Mobile CPUs have less cache.
Even a 5700x3d + cheapest (or used) b450/550 board will be better without risking china jank & no support if you run into issues like your ram not working or getting xmp.
there's also laptop GPU's. I forgot where I watched someone reviewing those.
This is very interesting board for tinkering
Almost thought you where doing the same thing Rich did over at Digital Foundry making a PS5/SeriesX comparison setup, just need a 6700 non-XT
There are benefits to having 300-400fps in online shooters even on a 144hz monitor, yes there is an actual difference and yes the difference is very small but it's annoying when the presentation makes it sound like there's no difference even though it's technically true that 200fps will max out a 144hz screen.
Trying to overclock it with older UXTU is a good idea. I don't know if 7000 could still do it as my 5600H does to be 1st in hwbot
I’m crossing my fingers that someone makes a BIOS that works with RAM above 4800, and if that happens I’ll be sure to try overclocking too!
@@IcebergTech smokeless umaf is the key