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Its the fantasizing of women being mauled/killed by bears for me. 80% of men immediately chose violence for women over a hyperthetical question asked BY A MAN! These men are the reason why women would rather come across a random bear in the woods then a stranger who is a man. It was good to hear wholesome comments by men who held bad men accountable for why the bear is the better option for a man or woman in that situation!
THIS THIS THIS! It was so amazing to see men sticking up against other men, and to see the men that understood and got it. And I am so with you on the visualizing violence. A bear won't blather or conceive every which way a man can harm a woman, but too many man have been saying how many ways a bear can hurt a woman. The problem with a bear is individual, the problem with men is systemic.
LOL for sure, the women who are already terrified of men are being careful about their comments and jokes and where they post this stuff, the women who are brave enough to interact with these men are developing their fears listening to the effed up stuff men are saying
It called out the "bro code" that is systematic. The. Being "rejected" was a personal issue. When the problem was a societal collective issue. They internalize everything man, knowing it wasn't about them individually if they aren't the harmful ones in the first place
just saw a video of a man and a bear playing together in a pond with the caption 'me and the bear after he mauls all the feminists' like..... :| theyre gonna maul women but splash around with you?
There IS an epidemic of violence against women in nat’l parks. Men (wrongly) view the backcountry as a rugged, manly place. Lots of guys view outdoorswomen as usurpers and some react violently. And the men who assume women would have no idea how to handle a bear encounter are part of the problem. (Trailed by Kathryn Miles is a great book about this)
well this does seem to explain why I was sexually harassed constantly while working in Cotswold (an outdoor /camping supplies shop in the UK) lmao they did NOT like a woman existing in their spaces and had to talk about my body etc to feel big and strowng
I guess I was being a threat to them and their big strong male egos in their big strong camping gear and outdoor clothing shop, by you know... doing dastardly evil feminist mastermind things like,.... wanting to get paid so I can pay bills
@@beybladebaby Yikes. I love making those men freak out by talking about what I like to do with bug and fish parts and what I like to forage for in the woods. They always freak the fuck out. All I do is look for bones and fish, and I love crafting from natural materials, but you can make anything way more horrifying if you try.
Somebody said once “this is a hypothetical question. And you still can’t take no for an answer” and if that doesn’t sum up everything about the situation, then I don’t know what does.
@seabreeze4559 I genuinely have never met you but this comment actually makes me dislike you so much. JUST THINK, if there was a large chunk of the globe Calling all women dangerous, disgusting, raper, druggers, worse than feral animals. Would you care? Would you care if any time you spoke out saying you aren't a bad women you were mocked, acted out to be a pedo, and shut down without ever being know because there are too many bad ones. Would you care if you couldn't even be out with your OWN children that you protect with your life because people automatically think your a horrible person? Now tell me one more time how speaking out gives out signs of being a pedo.
@@seabreeze4559 Rejection sensitivity is usually a disorder from trauma as a neurodivergent, at least in the medical sense. And isn’t the same thing as not being able to handle rejection at all.
@Whattimeislove-ec8xr Only if triggered though. Depends on the type of bear--but most of them won't attack unless super hungry or feeling you threaten their territory (home) or cubs (children), and most will just walk away, especially if you don't have food on you. And it does depend on the bear, like black bears are pretty tame, brown bears are more aggro but can be avoided for the most part (especially due to the history of hunting all bears), and polar bears are bitches that attack for fun like you're a chew toy.
@Whattimeislove-ec8xr I mean yeah--those are both more worst case scenarios of a pissed off or messed up bear. Many bears just leave people alone, might steal your food, but probably won't just come at ya like in skyrim, lmao.
It's so weird that a man started this debate but didn't receive a lot of hate. Men who make videos saying they'll pick a bear over another man don't get a ton of flak either😶
@@RicochetForce statistically there's a 1 in 2.1 million chance of a bear attack while 1 in 5 women have been assaulted by men. Stop acting like bears are bloodthirsty monsters that attack humans on site. They don't prey on us. They don't even want to eat us unless they absolutely have no other food sources. Thats why people can go camping and hiking in the woods all the time. Stop with the bullshit just because you feel bad.
@@user-tr9rw7ne8x there's a 2.1 million chance of being attacked by a bear. 1 in 5 women have been attacked by men. Stop acting like bears are bloodthirsty creatures that attack humans on site. They don't prey on us. They don't even want to eat us unless they have absolutely no other food sources. People go camping and hiking all the time and end up fine. Stop with the bullshit just because it makes you feel bad.
@@user-tr9rw7ne8x and you're crazy for ignoring the actual statistics. Stop acting like bears attack humans on site and actually look up their behaviors. They don't prey on humans, stop being annoying.
I used to go to a boarding school, nearly everybody was extremely educated and feministic. We used to have one specific discussion regularyly, which was about the saftey of our potential future daughters. We mostly ended at the same conclusion, we'd love to not teach our daughters about self defence or which clothes to wear in the evening or to take a pair of joggers with them, if they were staying out in shorts. We'd want the world to change but we would't want them to be the ones to suffer the consequences. So in the end we were caught between what we think would be right and the emotional consequences. The only solution to feel less helpless was to include the guys around us and teach them to be better and to hold others accountable and to hope that there will hopefully be a snowballeffect, so it becomes less of an issue in the future.
Yeah the focus of "girls must always be on the defensive and scared" as opposed to just teaching guys to you know...not do horrible things and to stop their fellow guys from doing those horrible things is so backwards imo. It's sad that things have gotten to this point
@magnarcreed3801 the world has improved greatly in thousands of years because we educated people to be better. I have seen some men change their damaging views thanks to other people who guided them. Yes, there will be always evil in the world but why give up on making it better? I also took self defence lessons but it doesn't eliminate the source of the problem which is how kids are raised.
For real. As a survivor I get so scared about raising any possible future kids, but especiall AFAB kids (regardless if they identify as girls and women). I don't wanna put my trauma onto them, but I also want them to be safe. And I can't always control the people around them. Tho ofc if someone did harm my kid they are gonna be lights out.
I grew up with bears everywhere in my hometown, they were chill unless you tried coming up to their cubs... Meanwhile, men were abusive, weird and just, scary, ever since I was like, 4 years old. Men will attack you for not being their object, bears usually attack because they actually fear for their own or their cubs safety, end of.
also its the men in our family who abuse us, its our "friends" who grope and touch us when we tell them to stop or "No", its not some magical mystical floating wizard pervert who jumped out of a bush or an alleyway, its your own fucking entitlement. its the dodgey shit you say about your sisters bodies and your daughter. that's the shit that makes us feel gross when you enter the room, when you stop that shit we'll stop feeling unsafe around you
It always seems like men NEED to have a sister, wife, daughter, etc. in their lives in order to even remotely have any capacity for empathy with women. I love to see when this isn't the case, does anyone else feel this way? You shouldn't NEED to have kids to care about children. You shouldn't NEED to have a living grandparent in order to care for elderly folks, you shouldn't NEED to have a close female family member in order to sympathize with women and femmes, right?
Yeah I literally have a mental disorder that makes me over empathic and I'm not on your side. I understand your fear but your being anti male end of story. Replace male with say a jew or black person and this is suddenly very offensive even though statistics can back up being scared of them. It's dehumanizing and it's purely just there to fear monger
Obviously you've never met a real man then... We are pre-dispositioned to protect and support the women we love regardless whether we have a sister or daughter or wife. Any decent man would say the same. Stop grifting and do better please.
All those anonymous commentors replacing "women" with "females" once more tell us exactly what kind of person they are. Dehumanizing someone, but still wondering why they chose the bear.
For real. Only time I use "female" like that in reference is usually using AFAB or similar for things that affect all people with female anatomy, including trans and NB people who don't identify as women.
its so funny because sexist men are so angry and baffled by our behaviour and views because well lets be honest most men refuse to read books by women or watch anything on tv that is deemed too feminine for them and think women are such mysterious creatures, and then we are honest about the abuse and trauma we've been through and tell them how we feel and they get mad about it. like what do you guys actually want? to hear what its like to exist in this world as a woman or for us to shut up because to be perfectly honest most sexist men I meet seem to only want to hear mens voices
That's for sure. It wouldn't be such a bad idea to keep talking about the man vs. bear thing forever, because it appears to really cheese the macho men off. They love cheesing women off in women's spaces, keep cheesing those macho idiots off with the man vs. bear thing.
I feel like what this thought experiment boiled down to for me is that many women would rather risk being brutally killed than risk being brutally rap*d. And then a lot of men were not able to actually unpack that. There isn’t anything in that choice that should’ve been offensive to anyone, it’s just sad. It’s just a sad choice that should speak for itself, there is no “right” or “wrong” answer.
And/or that a man would brutally 🍇 AND then unalive her. And/or the lifelong trauma that comes from being abused by a man who ENJOYED causing her pain/fear. A bear doesn’t get a power trip off dominating a woman. A bear can’t make conscious decisions. A bear can’t be a psychopath or a sadist. But a predatory man? The main goal is often to get off on causing the maximum amount of fear/pain to a woman. At least, that’s been my understanding of the issue. We need to listen to women - and believe them - when they share their daily lived experiences with us. There’s a lot of work to be done to change the systems so that women can feel safer. Don’t take it as a personal insult - take it as inspiration to make the world a better, safer place. Such as asking women what would help. Ex. I’ve learned that if I cross the street to avoid passing directly by a woman walking alone, that helps. Or that if I am accidentally “following” a woman (both walking in the same direction) I can slow down/take a small detour/create space so she doesn’t feel like I’m stalking her. These are small changes that any man can make in their daily lives with minimum effort. If it feels inconvenient, just IMAGINE how much more effort women spend every freakin day needing to be hyper-vigilant to try and not be abused!
@@Dojafish because it's not, if you paid attention in the video or ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS BEING MADE...this is based off of the real world...we need to understand that the world is not safe and being alone with a literal animal than a stranger is way safer which is terribly sad but true.
So, as a woman who was LITERALLY chased at a park (wooded park, not even technically in the woods) by a man threatening to r-word me (I managed to run to my car with him chasing me), this is a very emotional discourse. Why did he do this? Because I politely declined to stop my walk to talk to him.
And every other man who went about their day, suddenly gets ignored and you cherry pick a really fucked up encounter to demonize those people who had nothing to do with it. Why do women online lack self awareness? I thought you broads were supposed to be smarter than us?
I'm sorry to hear that - I hope you're doing better now. And I'm sorry to see that the rest of the replies you are getting on this comment are from people who completely missed the point and likely didn't even watch the entire video.
I'm 37, I've been getting sexually harassed since I was 9, been SA'd and groped several times since middle school, graped a couple of times, etc. I'm choosing the damn bear. Because at least when the bear hurts me, I won't be blamed and told I was asking for it and should be considerate of the bear's feelings.
Exacly. I'm 21, first got SA'd at 8 and had 3 other incidents since in various degrees, including grape. It's so gross how it's expected like a transaction. Bears don't expect that, they just want food, to be left alone, and have their babes safe. It's also exactly what a threatened parent should do. Bear attacks/eats you = Gets rid of threatening creature in it's neighborhood to provide food for kids, or just providing food for kids--like grocery shopping. Bear attacks because you are in their territory = Attacking someone who broke into your home Bear attacks to get you away from kids = Attacking a stranger coming close to your children in their safe space. These are all logical things. Mens expectations and harm to women isn't, and is systemic instead of individual.
@@anitaremenarova6662Um, we just were shown a video of a man encountering a bear, getting attacked/ pushed down by it, and he survived the attack easily. The BEAR was the one the encounter was fatal for. So what exactly is your point again?
@@RicochetForce A simple search online tells us "Out of 40 bear attacks per year, approximately 14% end fatally." If we want to specifically discuss black bears, then "The 750,000 black bears of North America kill less than one person per year on the average. Most attacks by black bears are defensive reactions to a person who is too close, which is an easy situation to avoid." (If you still have a problem with the "framing" of that, tell Google.) For context, "men ages 18-24 are 167 times more likely to kill someone than a black bear." Are you still sure "wild animals" are the problem?
Speech Prof is a guy who says things like, "maybe she does want to _be your friend._ But if you are hanging around thinking there will be a chance that you'll get something else out of it, that's not a friend. There is not 'friend zone'. There is a friend, or not a friend, and you get to choose whether to be a friend or not. There is no zone." Speech Prof said it better. He also had a great video on the bear.
@@davidmagrass6728 dysfunctional behavior is not "man thing." However, knowing that you're a friend and otherwise not a candidate is all you need in order to make a choice to be a friend or move on. Because _more_ than 99 times out of 100, "can't we be friends" means, "and that's all forever." It does NOT mean "till I change my mind." And if it did mean "till I change my mind," it would be insulting to you, and you should move on anyway. I have known women who liked to keep a "spare," or who dated the friend, brother, etc., of the person they really wanted, and I can advise you that there are better women out there.
@@davidmagrass6728 you sometimes have to try several therapists before you find one who suits your needs. Never stop working to center yourself and make the best possible choices.
Yep. It doesn’t matter what you pick, you’ll be blamed as a woman. Nice to a new guy at work that the other dudes were goshing around a bit. Welp talking to another lady who said he liked me and I laughed and said hell no. Dudes tend to years older than me, has a criminal record, and admitted to trying to drive people off the road. Got back to him my preemptive rejection and he turned hostile to the other woman and other people. My male boss didn’t understand why I wouldn’t just put out for him to keep the peace. So I told him about the records and asked if he wanted his daughter my age to date him. He said that dude would be buried in their yard first. So bear! Bear!
"put out for him to keep the peace" what are you, a s-x worker? Goods for exchange? What kind of drugs do you have to be on to say something like that to anyone let alone your female employee?
Men getting pressed over choosing the bear and going, "What would your father think over choosing the bear?" as if our fathers didn't spend a good portion of our early years telling us to be extremely careful of all men 💀💀💀💀
Like even my dad who hated me said i should never date a man, because (his words not mine) men only want one thing from women and will do annything to get it, and they do not care if you like it or not.
There’s TikToks of dads choosing bears over men on behalf of their daughters too btw, men know. All the angry boys in this comment section know too, deep down.
@@Angela-gd3cj My dad's response to people getting upset over people picking the bear over men is, "I went to college in the 80s. I've seen how bad men can be."
@@RicochetForceno it isn’t for most women. You clearly have too much anger at woman’s fears to be able to respond in good faith and that’s just sad. Most men would be concerned if they found out a woman they cared about would find herself alone in the woods with a male stranger. Why do you think that is? Turns out men recognise the threat when it effects women they care about.
@@RicochetForcetwo things can be true at the same time. It’s not ‘distorting reality’, it _is_ the reality. Sometimes fear is a good thing, it helps you to make safer decisions as an act of self preservation. Too much fear is bad, and you’re right in the sense that you shouldn’t let fear rule you. But that doesn’t mean that feeling fear at all is a bad thing. I’m fearful of being alone with men, and it’s reasonable given the fact that there are so many women including me who have been in compromising positions with them non-consensually. One in three women globally have had horrific, violent experiences with men since the age of 15. Be bold but not reckless.
Every woman I know has been seggsually harassed in a public place at least once. In both public and isolated areas, it's still MEN who are the worst threat.
"What if it's a friendly man?" "That's worse." Seriously, though. Just the other day a stranger came and started talking to me while waiting for a train. He kept trying to offer me things to convince me to come to his home, like beer and lunch despite my continually saying no. He literally tried to use a "pleeeeeease?? 🥺". I even straight up told him "that's how people get r'd and m'd" and he laughed. Ughhhhhhh. 🤢
That's completely different, if you meet a man in the middle of the woods you're most likely both lost so cooperation is vital for both of you to make it out.
@anitaremenarova6662 at no point does the scenario specify that both parties are lost. I've been out in the woods plenty of times without being lost lol. Additionally, do you really want to team up with a "human being" that has the ability to understand the word no, yet chooses not to? Yikes.
@@oliveherklozoff9398 If you're not on a trail then you're lost-lost. We're not talking on the outskirts of a forest but in the middle of one. Have fun thinking you're tough shit and walking away only to starve to death. Sounds like a fun week.
@@RicochetForceand yet 1/3 women have been attacked and 1/5 will be raped - so there’s enough men doing bad things in the world to effect the majority of women. If I give you a bag of 10 sweets and tell you 2 are poisonous are you eating the sweets?
@RicochetForce having been SA'd and generally preyed upon more often by random men than random bears, I don't think I'm going to be listening to your not all men BS. Bears are wild animals without a moral compass, and all they know is to survive at all costs. A random man theoretically has the ability to distinguish between right and wrong, and the problem is the ones picking the wrong choice.
The thing i hate the most is when men pretend that they see me as an equal. It was like that with my ex: up until some point, he was all about respect. But suddenly, there was no sexism, no patriarchy, I was delusional for thinking that there was. And then he laughed at misogynistic jokes targeted at me. There is only so much you can do about it
What your husband probably means to say is that they're more predictable. Because of humanity's complex and varied nature, the many motivations and traits that go into our decisions compared to a bear are much harder to understand and thus predict
And you're ridiculing YOUR HUSBAND over that? He should divorce you... A real man would choose not to harm a woman, a real man would choose to harm only those necessary to protect what or who he loves. Tbh your misandry is on full display I seriously hope your husband sees this... Btw he is right, the majority of bears will harm anyone under the right circumstances whereas the majority of men would never harm a woman.
I think a lot of men were genuinely not prepared for the potential that women would view being in the woods with a bear as the safer option. It demonstrates we have a lot of work to do in this world. Also, the coast redwood forests in California are absolutely not to be missed!
It's not that woman just choose bear, it's also what the question implies and what they say for why they choose the bear. It's understandable if someone choose bear because of experiences, but if you do so by the logic men are more "dengarous" and tried to support with statistics(which are read with face value), plus a plethora of other things It's just screams sexism.
@@Dojafishi think you're forgetting that 1 in 3 women have these experiences. so the majority of the people you see speaking about this issue, prolly have first hand experience. it's so disingenuous of you to act like they haven't. because even if they haven't, they almost always know someone who HAS. i have experienced it as early as 12 and multiple times thereafter, and most afab people i know have also experienced SAd. it's not like some rare thing which is why this question is being answered as it is, but i don't understand how y'all don't see the reality of the world we live in.
Statistically, the random man is safer than the random bear. In the UK, 0.25% of men have committed a violent crime. More than 99% of men aren't violent predators. 100% of bears ARE violent predators, because it's a natural instinct for them.
I live in rural Colorado, and yes I see bears quite alot on my daily walks (spring/summer). And yes, i would much rather encounter a bear than a strange man in the woods, No brain-er. Why is some random man wandering around in the woods, vs, why is some random bear wandering around in the woods? Because a bear belongs here. Now, a Moose... That's a WHOLE different question. Yes, a moose belongs here but they don't care who you are and any play you are about to reveal. You are screwed.
So Bear > Man > Moose. Black bears are harmless so long as you respect them, the man is a 20% - 33% chance of a bad experience, the moose will legit want you dead.
I think it's also telling that when the women make the choice, they do so casually, maybe even laughing a bit, but when the men are asked to make the same choice for the women and girls in their life, they wince and grimace. Because the fear of men and what they might do to you is just normal life for women, but it's an uncomfortable reality for men that they aren't often confronted with and would probably prefer to ignore
Right? I've seen the men get asked this question about their daughters or men getting asked when the last time they felt unsafe was. And you know that this is purposely the first time in a REALLY long time that, or the first time ever, that these men are actually having to think about it. Whereas for women, this is just our daily reality. And psychologically speaking, we know that having to live in a state of hypervigilance isn't healthy for a person. I swear that most women have like low grade/mild PTSD or something, just from having to live in that state of hypervigilance and having to exist in a world that can turn hostile towards you at any time. It's exhausting. And men have no clue unless they're really forced to think about it or confront the issue. And even then, most of them still don't want to. So it's a rare man who will think about it, and then sit with that issue and really let it sink in
@@bottomofastairwell My husband is amazing and very open minded, and is a self defense instructor, but even with him I find it hard to explain what it is like mentally constantly having to think about my safety specifically against predatory men. You do it without even thinking about it, but it's always there in your brain and it's exhausting sometimes.
I got told a to be “put down” and “If I come across you in an alley, I would kill you” after saying “If a bear charges at me with the intent to attack or worse, I have a gun to put it down as an act of self defense which many would agree to do the same. If a man charges at me with the intent to attack or worse, I have a gun to put him down as an act of self defense but I would be given murder charges”.
Watching from South Korea. Recently, a young woman walking in the mountain was brutally raped and killed by a man. It was a bright morning. And this kind of crimes are still going on all around the world. I feel sorry for her family. 😔Women cannot be sure what will going to happen when we meet men.
And still, those kind of men try to play the victim by making it about themselves.... You won't know who you're going to meet, what's going to happen and what they'd potentially do to you. We sadly don't have the right to be afraid of the unpredictable, yet they won't even try to understand this simple fact
@@beybladebaby No, it is "NOT" a roll of the dice. South Korea has about 50 million people. For simplicity, use 20 million as the adult male population. Take 10 percent of that as the fraction who have or would commit "gr*pe" and "unaliving" - a gross overestimate, but one that makes the point. So the probability of encountering a man who will commit "SA" followed by "unaliving" is 1 in 2,000,000. That is not "a roll of the dice" - where the probability of any given outcome (with one die) is 1 in 6.
The problem is men are assuming women are saying this to be assholes and not that they are actually considering the question in earnest. For me, if I’m alone in the woods and I come across a random man…hell yeah that’s frightening. There’s an entire scene in the movie Men about just this scenario and there’s a reason it’s in a horror film. I have faith that if I came across a bear and I didn’t bother it, steered completely clear and made it obvious that I’m not a threat…it would leave me alone. I can almost guarantee it. I am less sure with a man. Trying to avoid him might entice him even more actually. The problem is far too many women (myself included) have been the victims of male violence and sexual harassment to ever feel truly safe encountering a random man in an isolated location. That is NOT the fault of the women. Period.
Then answer this question in earnest: would you rather meet a black bear in the forest or a black man? Do you realise this is a bigotry and dehumanization issue? None of the women saying bear are doing so becouse of any numerical concideration, its years of dehumanising propaganda telling women that men are evil opressors and spreading lies like every 4th woman on collage gets r*ped. Feminists are treating men like the naz*s treated jews. Comparing people to animals, and choosing animals is NEVER OK. Its dehumanization and bigotry.
Whether or not they considered the question "in earnest," visual evidence - on-camera demeanor - makes clear that "some" women gave answers that they themselves do not believe. If that isn't "lying," then what is? Feminists refuse to discuss this. "NOT the fault of the woman" ? Well . . . You can get lots of attention in today's society by "playing the victim card." But consider the "flip side:" If you permit yourself to be led by your fears, then you become a prisoner of those fears. If there was an actual attack, then "led by your fears" means that you are, and will always remain, a prisoner of your ATTACKER. Feminists refuse to discuss this, too. I was once in a situation where a cop threatened to shoot me. I survived because I did not respond in fear. Instead, I deployed a strategy and created an impasse: I shouted, loud, slow, and repeatedly: "YOU JUST THREATENED TO SHOOT ME! I WILL NOT MOVE A MUSCLE!" To say that the cop wasn't ready for my response is an understatement. I refuse to forget the experience described above, but I also refuse to live in fear because of it.
Well, it is sexist to say that all men are like that. I think that this is the biggest issue with this man or bear think. And most women do not even see the sexist implications with that question.
@@maxirgendwas6079 No one's saying all men are like that. People are saying some men are like that, and in a scary and vulnerable situation they don't want to take the risk that the random man is one of the good ones.
@@maxirgendwas6079 literally NO ONE is saying all men are like that 🙄 don’t try to “reverse sexism” this. This is about the prevalence of violence against women.
Exactly. I've gone into nature so many times, barely seen bears really--and I've been SA'd 4 times. Yeah, I like bears. They are predictable, and if they attack it's easy to see why, and individual, not a systemic issue.
A bear might be distracted by throwing some food in the opposite direction and walking away calmly. Even a mugger sticking you up for your wallet might not just take the cash and leave you alone :(
@@RicochetForce those strangers are held in check by others around them. Not alone in the woods. It may not be “healthy” but most women feel like prey regularly.
The way that men have reacted to this question and it's answers is *terrifying* and upsetting. As a minor, a damn kid, I was forced off a trail into the woods by a man I'd never seen before and assaulted. Just going through the comments I see these other women who were SA'd in the woods too. And on the comments shown in the video I see men, angry about the responses of women, lashing out about our "prejudice and fear" or even what they view as "hatred." In truth it is nothing more than self preservation. Those of us who are not survivors know someone who is and we've all seen the statistics. This question may be hypothetical but it's not a joke. Think of it like this- we have the potential of being seen as a piece of meat by both. However with a bear it'd be a hungry or scared animal reacting with instinct to what they perceive to be either food or a threat. In the case of a man, it's about entitlement, power, and objectification, lack of empathy, unwillingness to see us as an equal human being, desire to dominate, violate, and abuse. If we happen to survive, at least we'll be believed about the bear attack, and likely won't be told we were asking for it or some other cruel bs. Also, if your response upon coming across these answers is offense or anger rather than thinking, "well I know that if a woman passed me in the woods she'd have nothing to worry about," or even maybe curiosity as to why one might give the answer they did, you need to do some self examination because you might be a part of the problem. If you go so far as to mock or fantasize about women being mauled or attacked by a man, please seek help....
As a man who was raised to protect and provide for the women and children in my life, no woman would need to fear me in the woods. What breaks my heart is the idea that if i were to be lost in the woods and come across a woman also lost in the woods, she would feel the need to run away from me rather than group up for survival. What angers me is being lumped in with all the trash men who would be so vile to harm/violate a woman. And what breaks my heart again is the number of women who have been harmed and warned of men to make this question so one sided. Men like me have a responsibility to call out lesser men on their bad behavior because men like me stand between the woman and the wolf to protect her and give her a chance to run away, be the threat a wolf or another man. It breaks my heart a third time to see so many men become wolves but it makes my responsibility that much more important. This video though gave me even more perspective and more clarity as i only recently came across the question of man or bear.
I do know that if a woman does walk past me in the woods, she will know that I mean no harm, I am trying to help her out of the woods but I understand your point, you never can know
omg, I hope you reported it. that is so scary. I never walk alone in woods, I am 59 and I think I would be seen as prey for men even at my age. I would only go in the woods with a mixed or single group
Even if my only options are a violent bear or a violent man, I still choose bear. There are far too many things a bad man would do that a bad bear wouldn't.
Was wondering that too, but more in a sense of "is it even doing much" Since most women deal with violence at some point in their lives, conventionally attractive or not, dressing "provocatively" or not But maybe that's too pessimistic
@@439801RS the world is just shit, you aren't pessimistic, you're just adressing a truth, it's just a bad one sadly, and truth of the world more often than not it more sobering than not
Thats a worldwide statistic, so it includes countries that don't really give women rights. Not saying it isn't a problem, but let's be honest here, you aren't living there are you?
@@Batmans_Pet_GoldfishI live in the USA and have never met a woman who WASN’T part of that ‘1-in-3’. So the correct statistic is likely 3-in-3 worldwide.
That comparison with the heat map of where someone would look walking around also ties into something else: Men look mostly straight ahead/where they intend to go, while women watch out for their surroundings. This is probably why women are more likely to make way for someone else, while men often don't even notice that someone just stopped for them or walked around them. As a result, men are less likely than women to even expect an obstacle in their way.
It also speaks to the complete lack of empathy most men have, especially for women. They don't notice that other people move for them because they aren't looking because they don't care about anyone else's path, experience or safety other than their own. And they have the privilege of no accountability when they inadvertently cause harm to others due to their lack of empathy, unlike women. And it's a cycle that continue.
the differences in our brains are literally physically impacted by this too. its not that minorities, women, LGBT+ or black/brown people are lesser in our intellect than men are but we have this added bonus, this added structure in our brains that are on alert mode, on safety mode, that stops us from being able to focus on sooooo many things we deeply desire to. most straight white guys do not have to stop and think about this stuff. because they can't be bothered to think about it or listen or learn
That's an interesting point. I am always looking around, listening for sounds of someone approaching out of sight, watching any car that pulls up next to me while I am walking, etc. I should ask my husband if he does this.
@@DimaRakesah Yeah, there was also this challenge a while ago by some British woman to try and pass as many men as possible without making way for them if you would only be doing it because they just expect you to and won't move themselves. That is, this challenge wasn't about being rude to them; if it's a situation where it makes sense for you to let them pass, just do that, of course. The challenge was more about making yourself aware of how often and how instinctively you just move out of their way. I actually found it harder than I would have thought. My "favourite" incident was that time when I walked past three guys and just didn't get off the pavement. Not only did the guy closest to me jostle my arm to prove that there wasn't enough space for both of us. He/they also made some kind of catcalling noise à la "Oooh, someone's being sassy and acting up!" Again, we were four people on the pavement walking past each other and I just wouldn't leave the pavement to make space for the three of them, and he/they saw this as me invading their territory. Which, other than with a bear in the woods, I wasn't...
I saw a clip of a woman asking her husband if he would rather have his 2 year old daughter alone in the woods with a bear or a man. He kept asking who the man was, what kind of man and she kept answering we don’t know. Finally he chose bear saying, “At least the bear will just gobble her up in one bite.” If someone asks you this question and your first thought is to ask “what kind of man” you’ve already answered the question Edit: the people who don’t get it can stay mad. I said what I said 😎
And whats your point ? You can ask the same thing for what type of bear.... some species of bears are more dangerous than others, and you are completely defenseless if they get to you. There are many others tiktok I saw where the husband's answer was "man". One of them gave very valid reasons for why his daughter would have better chances at surviving with a man rather a bear and his wife got mad at him lol ?? In some comments of these clips I've seen girls saying to leave their husband who chose men. Yes there are men who choose bear just as there are woman who also choose man.... but you guys also conveniently dismiss that part. Thats Called opinion, half the population won't have the same perspective . My sister said men even though she also said they although dangerous, they are just not as much as a fucking bear. Please stop this contrived manipulation that my gender is worse than a wild animal, Im not a rapist, nor a killer nor a NECROPHILE, or PEDOPHILE. I could've done any of that at any point of my life and I never did because THAT IS NOT NORMAL for any person, and its uncommon for a very good reason. All these crimes especially rape and pedophilia are heavily despised among Men in society. Just see how rapists and child molesters are treated in prison. They are excluded even among men because they are the scum of earth Im not denying men are more likely to commit crimes, but its not as normal as you guys make it seem.
The fact that many dudes are angry with women and not at the men who've given them such a tarnished reputation in this manner is only proving our point and it honestly disappoints me how they don't see it. I bet if they had mothers, daughters, sisters, or etc they would -_-
@@RicochetForce nonsense, ur offended all men r treated with caution because of the actions of a few when we know that women not doing this could mean life or death. ur dismissive attitude is gaslighting...
@@RicochetForce on the contrary... everyone discriminates with absolute prejudice.... Every day... Its only an issue when they act on those feelings to take away the targets personal rights.... For example, U cant force a racist to not be a racist. I can only govern their behavior...get it?
@@RicochetForce im not saying its ok...im saying its how things r... Dont be prejudiced. But accept that u cant force others to agree with u. U can only manage their behavior
I love how butthurt all the “super masculine manly bros” got by this hypothetical scenario, immediately proving why women don’t want to be around them.
oh gosh I love it so much, you think it would make me feel worse to hear these creepy dodgy old creeps but it just exposes them as giant red flags, a very good litmis test, a nice easy way to clear up your friend list
I asked my husband this, he's an experienced long range hiker and even he said without hesitation that he'd rather see a bear. And he's the likely friendly guy that you might run into in the middle of the woods because he does overnight hikes on his own and even he still doesn't want to run into another man alone out in the woods.
Again, lived experiences differ. I'm european and the bear I'd be running into would be a brown one which screw that especially with how aggressive they've been lately.
@@anitaremenarova6662 If lived experiences differ, then have you considered that their husband has experiences that would lead to him choosing the bear? You're acting like him choosing the bear means you have to as well, and you don't
@@anitaremenarova6662 Hate to break it to you. But North America has brown bears too. As well as polar bears and black bears. Brown bears are not carnivorous. The only meat they typically eat is FISH. Also, have you ever considered why they are more aggressive towards humans? Because animals including predators, aside from tigers, are terrified of humans. Because they know we hunt them on mass. Pretty sure if we were being hunted by an animal we would be terrified of them. Oh wait. We already do that. But on a smaller scale. Bears kill 1 person per year and so many movies incorrectly showing them as man eaters and people act like bears are such a scary animal. When in reality, humans kill them more than they do us as well as killing each other. The only animal that beats us at killing ourselves are mosquitoes. Cows and dogs also kill a lot of people. Yet, we are more afraid of an animal that wants NOTHING to do with us. Really goes to show how FICTIONAL media shaped people’s mind and beliefs on an animal.
I have a friend--he is a very experienced woodsman who backpacks out into the middle of nowhere and spends the night in little lean-to tents, or in hammocks, and all of the things. He goes armed with a pistol and bear spray---but they're not for bears.
I hate that the men who genuinely try to empathize and understand what women go through are then abused and belittled by other men. I think they’re way braver than the bullies.
Yeah pick me guys who would rather see women sacrificed are truly brave. Maybe if women actually picked men who would actually value their lives then they wouldn't have a problem.
These comments are just sad, you have 0 understanding of women or any problems women face at all and y’all are too arrogant to even consider different viewpoints. I hope one day you’ll break out of this gross mindset and find true love in a healthy way
I think about how I have been aggressively cat called in public around other people. If those other people were not around who would’ve stopped that man or Group of men from harming me. I wonder if we framed the question towards men as : if your daughter was alone in the woods, would you rather her come across a man or a bear differently? A lot of men do not understand misogyny or violence against women until it’s framed as happening to their own daughter or mother. The cognitive dissonance is so real .
Oh tell me about it. Some of the shit the manosphere guys say about women and I can't help but think of their moms or, if they have them (which many do), their wives and daughters
Im a man who was SA'd in public by a girl when I was a teenager, no one tried to stop it. I wish I got cat-called, instead of having no one care enough to stop the public abuse of a minor. No one believed me, not even my own family.
For real!!! As I think she mentioned in the video I saw a lot of women and girls asking their dads, boyfriends, husband ect the question "Would you rather I ran into a man or a bear alone in the woods?" and they all look kind of horrified and actually think on it for a sec before they say "yeah, bear." Its only real to them if its a woman super close to them sadly. (for those guys anyway.)
@@pinesandtraplines Im sooo sorry that happened! That should never happen to ANYONE. It doesn't matter the genders of anyone involved, victims should be heard and believed. I hope youre doing better now!
The question hits differently when it's their "property" at stake. The sad part is the men who are the biggest threats are the ones who act the most indignant that a woman would take her chances with the bear. I personally trust God to protect me, no matter who's around, but not everyone thinks that way. It's totally understandable why they would not want to take their chances with a strange man they don't know. It's also amusing how some of them claim if she chooses them they could protect her. some of them may be the first to run and leave you high and dry, or even worse, like that movie, expect "payment" in return for protection.
i thought it was so weird how personally some guys took it. "i am personally offended that you would pick a random bear over ME". but like, its not about YOU, specifically. its a random bear and a random guy. and, knowing what random guys can be like, even if its just a fraction of them, is why people pick the bear
For me it was a bit of a weird situation, because while I haven't been SA'd (outside the incidental groping) many of my friends have faced harassment at the hands of men, so I understand why people would pick the bear. But incidentally I am also a trans woman and I've also been exposed to all the discrimination and demonization that comes from people seeing those assigned male at birth as inherently predatory, so I can't help but understand a bit why men took it so personally, if the issue is systemic, there is very little you can do individually to shake off the stigma....
But that's exactly the point of why choosing the bear is dumb, the average man hell the majority of men aren't going to be hostile if it's unreasonable. ALL BEARS ARE GOING TO THINK HOSTILITY IS REASONABLE
@@dregenbern6810 I think it comes down to worst case scenarios, man or woman an aggressive bear will be straightforward and maul you, a dangerous person could pretend to be your friend, or stalk you around the woods, I guess many of us would rather to be shot in the face than stabbed on the back.
bears don't say "It's just a joke love" or stick things in your drink or think its funny to make r*pe jokes to the women and girls around them, family and friends included.
Yea they just maul you and eat you while you are still alive , hey if it's cold outside you can do a world war 1 cosplay as an injured soldier for s few hours .
This whole bear thing is so wrong. It makes no sense . Like we’ve always been told to be scared of men and that they can’t be trusted. We’ve always told the same things about strangers. We teach stranger danger to our children . We tell women not to be alone with men . We are told to do all kinds of things to protect ourselves . And now we’re expected to forget everything we’ve been taught our entire lives just to spare someone’s feelings ? No thanks. We’re not doing anything wrong by wanting to be safe. If we chose the man and he did something to us, we would be “asking for it” cuz we were alone with him in the woods. For a so-called “logical sex” , men are not being logical about this
My question is why are we teaching anyone to fear half the population? Stranger danger that I agree with. but a strange man and a strange women are equally likely to be malicious, so why only worry about one?
@@Lunakitty1234 "source I made it the fuck up" nobody wants to be assaulted and both sexes can do it to either one it's not exclusive to men. If that were the case I wouldn't have been sa'd myself
the bear would take advantege, they are scavenger, this means that they eat rotten or decomposing flesh, this also means that even after you die they will eat whatever is left you either way
@@TraxMaster_99 good i'd probably be that bear's groceries for the week. what business would a man have with an unreported dead body other than reporting it?
@@chana1298 what kind of bundy dahmer or diddy kind man you think of, cherrypicking at its finest, you imagine the best case scenario for bears and for men the worse, something tells me you hate men in general and you use that type of argument to justify it, automatically blaming half the population for some degenerate stuff some dude did like in 20yrs, same logic racist do: a (insert minority) do this, oh so that means any (insert minority) is like this but then, we arent encountering a bear anyway, they are endangered and probably wont last not even to 2040 when the world economic forum rules the world and probably animals like bears and tigers would get negged diffed due to climate change and whatnot
As a 2m tall metalhead who is also very shy and not socially comfortable, I can tell you that I am very much in the category of men you talked about. This questions and those answers break my heart and worry me a lot. I have experienced walking on city streets at night and after a moment I realized that I was following the same path as a women a few meters in front of me. She entered the narrow dark street that I meant to go through to get to my destination still ahead of me. As I came into the street, I noticed she looked back and started accelerating. That was horrifying to me because there was nothing i could do in this situation to defuse her fear. Trying to get to her or talk to her to calm her down would have been even worse. I was so sad about this situation... So I did the only thing i could and stopped in the alley to look at my phone until she was gone from the street. So maybe she got the situation and was reassured but maybe she still went home thinking she dodged a horrible fate... And all I did was go to a sports club on a winter evening... What I would like to know is how can I act in my daily life that would help this issue ? Cause the "interviening when a sexist joke is made" isn't as straight forward as it seems. And it doesn't happen that often anyway so appart from that, I feel like I am condemned to be seen as a predator until proven otherwise... which sucks a lot but I understand very much why women feel this way... For my significant other, or my sister, or my niece, I would also choose the bear, saddly...
Wow. Thank you so much for your support and sharing. I hope you will find the good one cause you seem really like a sweet person.also did u feel like this trend could make things worse between men and women?
@@dounnette306 Thanks for the compliment and the hope ^^ On the contrary, I feel like a lot of men would actually reflect on this subject thanks to this question, especially fathers or men who deeply care for a woman or girl in their life. Unfortunately, the men thinking about this are most likely not the ones doing the horrible things all of this is about...
@@sekishudaibro don't let these women gaslight you into feeling guilty. You can't Control how they feel the only thing you Can do is act normal which you did. These delusional women are just up in their feelings thinking a Man is a predator if he even looks at them wrong. Vast majoroty of men are good MEN and you just gotta let these women figure out their shit on their own.
@LUCYDebDolly There are irrational fears and then there is reality, most klIIlngs happen to men BY men. Coming across a serial klIIer is INCREDIBLY unlikely meanwhile the chance of the bear attacking you assuming it can be any species is 1/4
@LUCYDebDolly Again, irrelevant to what is being discussed. It's the main worry because people watch too many true crime podcasts and serial k. documentaries then think this is way more prevalent than it actually is. The realistic scenario is that you'd likely be harassed or even SA'd but that's it. No need for plastic surgery or reincarnation unlike with the bear option.
@@anitaremenarova6662bears kill and eat you. men abuse, rape, kill, and eat you, as well as repeating the process once you’re dead. bears want to be left alone. men want to rape and kill.
the problem is the male lonliness epidemic caused by the modern era & modern feminism + mixed signalling of women would rather a bear yet complain why don't men approach them.
A man was recently debating this, saw it was going nowhere so he posed a similar question. Would you rather leave your daughter in a room with a man or a woman? And all the men either danced around answering or listing men they would feel safe with their child. Wisdom is chasing them, but they are faster.
I've genuinely no preference, thinking about the people around me I can't think of a single acquaintance I keep I wouldn't feel comfortable letting watch a loved one. I really feel people just keep terrible company
What fascinated me about this trend was how much the hypothetical question was given a resounding solid answer, and some men just did not accept that answer. Which, ironically, was the exact issue and reason why we chose the bear. But they dug their heels in and threw a tantrum, outed themselves, and proved a point when we said "y'all're creepy".
@InsertYTHandleHere because *some men cannot take 'no' for an answer and become violent, even murderous, when rejected. Refusing to accept 'no' as an answer is why women are choosing the bear, for the most part. And *some men are still missing the point and refusing to accept --no-- 'bear' as an answer.
@InsertYTHandleHere I find it funny that mine and Raining's comment both go out of the way to specify *some* men are spoiling the barrel, and for some reason your comment lumps all men together and all women together. While complaining that women are lumping all men together. "From what I comprehend." Buddy. Comprehend harder. Mostly because you are assuming women have a large ego, but I can promise you you're projecting. Women are expected to wither and take up as little space as possible, that kinda inspires ego d34th. You do realize women have been compared to meat all their lives, right? Men have been calling us and treating us as slabs of meat, objects to own and s3xualize, etc. As someone who was born fem, I've been sexualized and generalized before I hit double digits. Yet you seem really huffy when that's spun on it's head for once. Yeah, objectifying someone isn't nice. And all I have to say to that is "Welcome to the f***ing club." Most men haven't bothered to consider "how does the *woman feel* about seeing a man vs bear in the woods", yet you (and a lot of men) seem pressed about how men react and how harmful it feels to be objectified. As a man. Recognizing most violence against people is perpetuated by men, and recognizing a large portion of that violence is due to fragile egos shattering, is not misandrist friend. Being able to boil down how terrifying it is to be a woman to a single question isn't misandrist. Most men don't need to worry about how most women exist around them. But most women feel the need to be hyper aware of all men in their life. Men walk down the street and don't look over their shoulder to check if a woman is following them. Women trade tips on how to not be assaulted, how not to d13, like they're industry secrets. We have been overwhelmingly hurt by our best friends, spouses, brothers, fathers, teachers, pastors, etc. Male violence against women is widespread. Male violence is widespread. Acknowledging this and discussing how to be better as a society is not inherently misandrist. Buddy, would *you* prefer if you saw a random man in the woods over a bear? Do you know if the bear followed you that far? Would the bear follow you home? Would the bear get more excited to hurt you because you're scared? Would you let your guard down at a man watching you over a distance, or a bear? No, you wouldn't. Because the bear doesn't have a conscious and doesn't justify the assault to themselves. A bear will attack for a reason. A man will attack someone because he feels like it.
The solution i think is fairly simple: men need to hold other men accountable. Thats why this problem has persisted for milennia. Men need to spend less time telling their wives and daughters to be mindful of their surroundings and spend more time telling other men in their life to create better surroundings.
Yup, agree 💯. However, I always get racked across the coals when I bring it up with other dudes. It's really hard to stay motivated when other dudes get emotional and completely shutdown when you say there's a collective problem.
@@aaronsmith1474 Why the "however?" Of course there's going to be push-back. It sounds like you're saying it's too big a job to ask of men like yourself. I hope that's not what you're saying.
@@Larissa-eo3pt yeah that however does a lot of work and I apologize for the ambiguity. My problem is that these sort of conversations require men to be open enough emotionally to talk about them in a reasonable fashion. I often have to ask myself if bringing up this topic will lead to violence because dudes that can't handle *will* sometimes escalate. (Esp. here in Oklahoma where I'm living currently -- where I have been threaten in several occasions).
@@aaronsmith1474 I gotcha. Yeah, I don't envy you being in that position, having to do a threat assessment whenever you're trying to simply be a good person. I appreciate that you're even willing to consider it. Both my brothers live in Oklahoma.. alas they're the kind of men who feel right at home there.
No we don't. Since patriarchy was abolished, women's safety is no longer a men's problem. We owe you nothing, just like you owe us nothing. Aren't you strong and independent, after all?
I am a guy who just finished watching through this whole video and it just made me sad. I had genuinely no idea that a woman is put in this much danger being with a man alone in the woods. I would have picked man without a second thought. I don't know if it's because I always tend to see the good in humanity or because all the men in my own life are stand up people who women would be completely safe with, but it just never crossed my mind that this is actually a genuine question to be considered on both sides. It makes me absolutely disgusted that there are so many men out there that would actually attack or do anything hurtful to a woman, alone in the woods or in any circumstance. For all women, I am glad that you know that you need to choose whatever option keeps you safe, no matter what other people may say. But it also makes me sad because I am a man, and it hurts to feel like somehow by nature I am not to be trusted. Or that I am truly believed to be a danger to people. Like it doesn't matter how well I treat people in my own life, I will always be perceived as dangerous and not of good moral character. From both sides of the issue, it just makes me really really sad.
@@seabreeze4559 It is not that I am offended. I am just sad that this is the state that humanity is at. Men should be kind to women all the time, as should women to men. Treat others as you would want to be treated. The thought of attacking another human being for one's own selfish pleasure should never even be considered, let alone acted on.
@@seabreeze4559 I would love it if people actually felt accountable for the things they do, but unfortunately they do not. In truth, people should feel a level of shame/guilt when they do something wrong. They don't need to live in their guilt, but it should drive them to desire to do the right thing.
Went to a police office when i was in college at 18. I told the police men behind the desk that my boyfriend id just broken up with (who had un alived people before) said he was going to come do the same to me. I was too afraid to give his name out of fear for retaliation and instead of being understanding or trying to talk me down out of my fear or supply resources they literally laughed me out of the building. They were grown men laughing at a teenage girl in fear for her life
I think one of the most interesting things was how…. This kinda stretched across political lines. Men from all over the political spectrum understood why people chose the bear and men from all over the political spectrum were shitting on people for not choosing the man.
I think what upsets me most about this is that most of the men commenting on it aren't realizing how disturbing this debate is, especially when it involves literally criticizing the male gender. As a boy, it's absolutely amazing how other men have ignored the seriousness of the women who list their reasons for why they'd rather be in the presence of a dangerous bear than a man. If you feel shame over hearing about something like this, especially when it's directed towards your class of people, then you need to improve and expand upon what you're hearing, rather than blame the people for raising their voices at you.
I'm not even one of those conservatives however that "your class of people" has dangerously prejudiced undertones. You wouldn't generalize any other group of people like this, why are you so comfortable doing it to men? Got no horse in the race myself but it's just an interesting observation.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Is generalizing really the issue here? Just because I use non-specific terms like "men" and "women" doesn't mean that I'm assigning them all positions. I'm not aiming to discredit the men who take this issue seriously, I'm only generalizing so that they can use their intellects to determine if they're who I'm talking about.
@@sobekmania You sound like you have unresolved trauma regarding men, should probably talk to someone about it. Bottling up stuff like that is not good for you.
@@anitaremenarova6662 What does criticizing the men who disregard this issue have to do with trauma? I'm not expressing hatred towards men, I'm just criticizing the ones who don't take women's issues seriously. And I'm also demonstrating that it is possible for men to take it seriously by taking it seriously myself. This doesn't have anything to do with trauma.
@@sobekmania Because to people like anitaremenarova (based on their many comments here) women must be mentally unstable if they're afraid of men. According to them, men are the victims of women and not the other way around.
There was a guy flipping it and saying he would rather be in the woods with a bear than a woman because "a bear wouldnt date him for his money or friendzone him" and i think that Statement speaks for itself
@@rejectfalseicons1920Exactly. It's a random woman he's enountering. Where tf did the date come from? Also, is he saying he'd date the bear cuz it's free? 😳🤮
@@rejectfalseicons1920men can enter any hole ig...I remember in news , how few men rped animals too like monitor lizard, mare n dogs ... So they can imagine such things too ..m not surprised
Bears attack when: Hungry = Their going to the grocery store Near their cubs = Stranger near their babies Yeah, I'm not mad at a bear for being defensive. I love studying nature and history, and I can definitely say that studying bears makes me feel for them and I understand them, and studying history and what men as a whole have done in general, not so much. There are far too many variables, and the reasons are much harder to understand--or if you do, harder to stop or deal with because it's systemic and not individual like a bear encounter would be.
As men, we can look at the terrible things women have done and not feel for women either, like all the female teachers who SA little boys, mothers who end the lives of their children, women who kidnap children etc. The DV rate is close to 50/50 between men and women, with a small percentage more for women as the perpetrators (52%). That's right. Women are more likely to beat men in relationships than vice versa, and nobody cares. Violence against men by women is laughed at and ignored. Little boys getting SA'd by grown women are often ignored. One 15 year-old boy (SA'd at 13 I think) was even made to pay child support to his female rapist because she got pregnant! Men are the oberwhelming majority (75%) of homeless. Nobody cares. Men are the vast majority of people who end their lives. Nobody cares. Men are the vast majority of work deaths and military deaths. Nobody cares. The vast majority of substance abuse (drugs/alcohol) is by men (three times as high as for women). Nobody cares. Men and boys are losing at school and dropping out at an alarming rate. Nobody cares. Men suffer from loneliness, depression and other mental health issues. Nobody cares. Women who claim they're so compassionate (as oposed to us terrible men) laugh at men who suffer and tell us to "man up", that us opening up about our vulnerabilities is "emotional labour" for them and that they're not our mothers. As men, we've gotten the message loud and clear from women: you fear us, dislike us, we are useless to you and you see us as disposable. As men a lot of us just choose to walk away and respect your wishes.
if a bear attacks me, I literally did deserve it--I was in their house, most likely at a time of year when they're more dangerous like preparing to hibernate, and likely making them/their cubs feel threatened. But nobody is going to ask me what I was wearing if a bear mauls me.
The question isn't personal. I'm a trans man. I'm choosing the bear. But it's not saying "would you choose this bear over this man?". It's saying in general. A bear over a man. And I'd rather die than be SA'd again. Many women feel that way. So if you're butt hurt, take yourself out of the equation.
Yeah. My doc saw scar tissue during my pap at 20yo and her face looked sick for me. I remember standing over him with a wickedly sharp paring k...e the summer I was 19 because I needed him to not be physically able to hurt me or another naive young woman ever again. The only thing that stopped me is I knew if I took his weapon away I'd have to turn it on myself next cause I wouldn't live with those consequences. Even hollering stop, no, and you're hurting me and sobbing ragged didn't stop him. I'm just lucky he didn't knock me up. He broke my ability to ever really trust any man again. Bear
its actually disgusting that i've seen men make memes of them choosing the bear because "the bear wouldn't falsely accuse me of rape" or "the bear wouldn't date me for my money" (basically any misogynistic idea men have of women) and it really shows the massive difference as to why women vs men choose the bear. Men think the worst scenario for them is being falsely accused of rape, whereas women's worst scenario is being brutally tortured, raped and murdered. Blows my mind
@@basilhenry-eyo6522have you met anyone falsely accused of rape? How many? It's nowhere near as common as the real deal in my experience, and your comment sounds to me more like a dismissal than understanding.
@@hamstrbaxtr Yes I have, many guys have been falsely accused of these things and it is very sad. I am not dismissing anything, I am providing another factor to the issue.
@@hamstrbaxtrthere are case studies of people who have had their lives ruined and unrequited because of it. Do you need to know someone to empathise with their issue? That’s like the whole point of this video.
I'd choose a bear over a man if I was alone in the woods. However, I understand that not all men are like this. There are some men I've known who are super sweet and kind. There are also men I know that are complete assholes and obnoxious. Plus, being constantly rejected can eat you up even if you're a woman too. That being said... As a woman, I am tired of strange men feeling like they can talk to me and ask me invasive questions and then get mad when I say something along the lines of NO! That's why I chose the bear. HECK! CATS, TOO, because they dgaf about you as long as you feed them, lol XD
And men will make fun of you for being a "cat lady" like it's a bad thing. Really they are just mad you found companionship that actually makes you happy, so you've lost the desperation that might have given them a chance at you.
The only difference is women generally internalize rejection rather than harass the men who rejected them. And even if she does take it to that level, she will be more likely to be shamed than a man who was “just having a bad day”.
@@alyssapinon9670 Or who had "just lost his wife", which was what I was told when I finally reported a customer who had been harassing me at work... for a _year_.
I saw someone say that the question needed to be rephrased to say that both the man and the bear would want to kill you and a lot of people (understandably) didn't change their answer. I said that I would choose the man because I've spent time learning how to fight men... Which then begs the question, why do you think I've felt the need to learn how to fight men (and not bears) in the first place?
I’ve fought men too. Imma still pick bear. Men got weapons like us, we can’t attack them first, and they’re on average stronger still. At a certain point it doesn’t matter that a bears stronger than a man, both can throw you across a room.
@@magnarcreed3801 While that is true, I'm incredibly stubborn, and I'll take a slight chance in a fight over zero chance. Also, I know men are stronger, that's why I like Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. If there's enough of a skill gap, I could fight someone stronger than me :)
You could just say that you most like encounter many more men than bears, so the absolute amount of bad ones will naturally be higher, literally a numbers game Ultimately this proposition isn't about the literal facts, but more about a gut feeling The fact so many, if not most, women feel unsafe around men shows the real problem of men having a reputation that even if they aren't the attacker, they'll at least probably support the attacker after the fact(again, reputation, not a guarantee or anything) Reality is, we are shaped by our experiences and sadly most women don't have overwhelmingly positive experiences with men
@@PotatoChicken-gg1ju If there is a skill gap. If they’re not big enough it doesn’t matter skill. It’s not about winning, it’s about surviving. You’re still more likely to survive a bear than a man that’s attacked you. Bears don’t understand that letting you live means you’re coming back with law enforcement. You hear way more about bear attacks and survivors in the woods vs female survivors from men. And at the end of the day training means Jack shit. Nothing. Training vs the real deal isn’t the same thing. Irl without a coach holding back and playing nice results in a woman with a caved in face.
@@439801RS I’ve had bears and men around me growing up, it’s not the bears to fear. At the end of the day I’ll be believed if it’s a bear. No one believe you when it’s a man. Literally took my crazy father leaving a voice mail about sending us to heaven for them to believe 12 year old me when I said he’d kill us.
I'm not joking. My bf asked me this question only a few weeks ago, and I'd never heard it before. I was very confused about the question. I didn't understand it. I couldn't imagine either situation at first, in order to give an honest instinctive answer. Now I'm so confused wondering why I found it confusing. Now that the question has settled a bit, my answer was always the bear, but my mind out of pure reflex not to answer a trick question foolishly, I froze in a kind of analysis paralysis and couldn't answer the question at first. As a woman... even just being asked a hypothetical question, got interpretted as an immediate threat to my continued safety and wellbeing. I subconsciously didn't want to give the "wrong answer" which might leave me open to some form of exploitation. My bf is too pure and was on my side even before I was. My not being able to answer was a learned protective behavior from years of exploitative behaviors and abuse I experienced from my father & brothers & their social echo chambers. Now I can finally rest in the truth of my personal answer. I've never ever had any particular fear of bears. I am however terrified of all stranger men I encounter even in public places. I can't even articulate why exactly. It's instictive at this point. My answer has always been: I'd rather the bear. 100%. every time.
this whole thing is kind of funny to me cuz bears are one of my biggest ocd triggers (i do live in an area with bears and my family has a small cabin near yellowstone where bears are very very common) i've had literal night terrors about bears trying to attack me or break into the cabin and can't be up there without another person or my intrusive thoughts make me paranoid over every little sound outside, even though i've never actually seen a bear near the cabin itself. despite all this, i choose the bear easily.
I'd even choose a moose or a bison and those animals terrify me. I'd rather get gored or stomped on because I know i'd deserve it because I invaded their space as wild animals. I don't deserve whatever violation a man does to me.
24 seven my daughter has terrors, waking and sleeping about men raping her because she was a victim of sexual assault. Aggravated sexual assault. We will take the bear any day. We live in the country in northeast Pennsylvania, where there was a lot of black bears. I still choose bear.
Why though? Let's say the man and bear are both malevolent and try to kill you. Which would you have better odds against: a 180 pound man, or 600+ pound bear? One kick in the crotch and you've bought yourself enough time to run away
@@SpiralShape it’s not about who i have better odds against lmao and the prompt isn’t that they’re malevolent. they’re just there with no signs of intention or aggression level. even in your situation, i’d choose the bear. because if a bear is trying to kill me it’s because it’s defending itself or its family. a man would be making a conscious decision to take a life for no reason. if i make it away from the bear i only have to deal with whatever injuries i have and i’ll likely never be around a bear again. if i make it away from the man, i have to live with the question of why he did it, the knowledge that a person could and would hurt me like that, AND have to be around men for the rest of my life, never knowing who would and who wouldn’t do the same and reliving the trauma every time i see a strange man.
One thing I thought was WILD was that my Dad is used to posting his email, name, AND ADDRESS at the end of work emails. When he helped me write something for school he didn't understand why I didn't wanna send that and even made a joke. He has learned since, but it BAFFLES me how putting out your address is something he can and does normally do. And I'm glad he's fucking learning.
@@nessie-from-earthbound1601 Exactly. I find it weird since he is a boomer but also VERY tech savy. Computers are a special interest of his and he has always been very on top of internet safety, especially when I was a kid. So for him to do this and act this way was BAFFLING.
I bet if majority of women chose a man over a bear, there would be creepy jokes about how that woman would “pay” that man for help; or mockery about “you are feminists, but still need a man” or rants about “all women are gold-diggers”. The list can go on. These people would not react well to any response. I’ve seen guys bashing even pickmishas who agree with them in everything. I suppose they actually don’t want women to have an opinion at all. Asking a question, not caring to listen to the answer🤷♂️
I can't speak for anyone else but I certainly wouldn't, on the flip side my coworker called me a sexist and coddled pig for saying I'd rather choose a man.
Ok I agree with u, but the facts are just infront of everyone but all they do is throw that away to prove a point like hello if u are a feminist u have to prove ur right, currently all I think about when it comes to feminist is (ANGRY WOMAN=bad)
Men say we are wrong when we preffer the bear, but if they heard about heir wife/mother/daughter being completelly alone with a random guy in a isolated place they would certainly be very scared for them.
In my area, the question morphed into ‘would you rather be completely alone in the bush or alone with a man in the forest?’ because I live in very rural North Australia…people still chose the bush over the man. For non-Australians, being alone in the bush is considered a death sentence for trained rangers, let alone the average person.
@@seabreeze4559Prison. Camping doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to be hurt by a bear since I could go camping to a place without bears. In prison I’m not going to have as much commodities as I would like. What’s the point?
@@seabreeze4559 Which is understandable. But there are more good men than bad men out there. With guys you have a much greater chance of surviving than with a bear because even if you are so unlucky that you get trapped with a bad man in the forest, it’s going to be much easier to either deal with him in a fight or run away from him than with a bear since they are faster and bigger. A bear is a guaranteed death, a man is a leap of faith. I get why you’d still pick the bear even after knowing this. I really do. But focus on the good things instead of the bad ones or you’ll end up fearing life itself. And just for the record I was not thinking about grape when you asked prison or camping. I was thinking that in prison I am GUARANTEED to meet bad people while at the camping I am not guaranteed to meet bears even though there’s a chance.
As a Canadian, I can confirm you should not mess with Canadian geese. There are lots of videos showing them turning tables on attacking bald eagles and winning, not to mention how many people they sent running. 😅
For real. My fam got attacked by geese in US because my parents were dumb enough to feed them at the time, and they got mad when we ran out. They entire flock chased us in flight, fucking terrifying. I have always been glad to eat a goose when I get the chance, lmao. Danger animal is food. (Tho ofc I wouldn't wanna make them gone or fuck up the eco system. I just like this imaginary rule that if an animal is trying to kill me in my territory, they are now food. And ONLY in my territory.)
Canadian geese have teeth on their tongue. Do you want to play stupid games with a bird with teeth on its tongue? Because that's how you win the Darwin award!
@@salicaguillotines Yikes. Yeah, I was traumatized by geese in the US as a child, no way I wanna go F with that. Only reason I would is if I was hunting for food and that's what was around. Ngl, using the tongue teeth for crafting would be fun.
@@ErutaniaRose yeah... That's partly the reason she's saving us the visuals. Since I saw pictures and was shook at the Eldridge abomination staring back, I always mention that when people say that they can take on a Canadian goose. They're majestic AF if you can get close enough while maintaining a respectable distance. They kinda just do their thing unless provoked - I was able to get pretty close and just watched a while in awe and the goose is probably thinking "why you watching me 💩"
there's a comic with a stick man covered in blood, is asked "what happened to you" and they say "some driver ran me over" and the response is the other guy saying: "NOT ALL DRIVERS RUN PEOPLE OVER!" while the man covered in blood is still bleeding but looks surprised. the angry man walks away saying: "I'M A DRIVER, I NEVER RAN ANYONE OVER! SCREW YOU!"
The problem with it is the "all drivers" is coming from the woman's perspective, that's why men are look at women like they're crazy. Some men are dangerous just like some drivers run over people. The problem is feminism has trained women to fear men as a class and profess the only solution is class warfare. Your surprisingly safe with most male strangers even if you are alone with them, even if there are a few that are just as dangerous as the driver to the stickman. This is why men find this delusional.
That's not simular at all??? In this situation you are saying Me a man is looking at a raped woman in the street and telling her not all men do that crap. NO I would go over there and help her, I wouldn't agrue against and then if she refused my help them I would say "Not all men are bad" because it's true. In your comic reference it depicts the driver saying it for no reason, when in reality if it was to be accurate the one hit would be saying things like "All drivers are horrible because one hit me, I can't trust you. I would rather die than be near you. I hate you" when the driver did nothing to even deserve any of it. Swap driver with men and hit with women and it paints reality What you are spreading is just ignoring the reason we say what we say. Women literally depict ALL men as being bad from 1 or 2 encounters. I have had horrible encounters with women but I would never and I mean never say each one of them are horrible then mock them when they try to justify why they aren't.
@@frogoyes7611The degree of caution women show towards men is not the same thing as them saying "We hate you". They just have a higher degree of caution towards men than bears in this hypothetical, because it makes sense. Statistics show women are more likely to be assaulted by men including men they know and trust during their life time, than bears even if women live in woods. Trust is earned, not given, I bet you would not trust men easily if you were a woman, either, I seriously doubt it, if you have a self preservation instinct.
There are two types of men: those who understand why we choose the bear, and those who are the reason we choose the bear. Also... Bears won't enjoy my pain. Update: Well, what a surprise. Even when it's a hypothetical question, men can't accept our answer 🙄
I understand the reason, but I also think you’re way too paranoid about men in general. With bears death is guaranteed, with men you have a chance of survival.
@@jameswatson5807 we don’t think all men are r@pist creeps who want to hurt us by example you walk alone at night and see à homeless man with a hood up and hand on his pocket in a very isolated an quiet place and you décide to go to the opposite direction,you don’t think all homeless people are dangerous or more susceptible to rob,you just think of à what if (fear of the possibility between then we all have),like since we are children we have being taught about "strangers danger"and "to not be alone in a place with someonewe don’t know","to not be to trusty and still keep à eyes open"things then some people had to learn the hard ways and now it’s an act of hatred to applying what we have being conditioned and taught to do ?because in this scenerio i don’t know this men is a complete strangers no matters the gender,a bear is supposed to be in the forest ,a human on the others hand come here.
I think about what would help when it comes to the broad strokes of this topic heaps, but struggle to conceptualize tangible solutions. Saying a massive cultural shift that involves men being raised differently is way too broad, yet that’s what it boils down to in my head. I think a good step is to continue having these conversations in a way that is welcoming, inclusive, and acknowledges all the difficult feels. I think that’s why that dark manosphere content works so well to pull men in. They’re openly speaking to intense feels and insecurities (and manipulating them) and that’s easy to latch onto. I think you did a fantastic job with this topic and felt your genuine compassion and hope others will too.
Bingo. Gender slandering has only made male and female issues, SIGNIFICANTLY worse. we aren't teams and we aren't helping each other. And i'm afraid modern society will burn as it's older brothers did before we learn... until the cycle of rises and falls repeat that is.
I agree with needing tangible solutions. I'm a man but I don't know what I can do, the only real thing is to not interact with women. I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable and the answer that I have to hold other men accountable is flawed as I don't associate with men that would harm women in any way. I only have a few men friends in my life, most of my friends are women and almost all the people I work with are women.
Patriarchy also kinda teaches men that a man should protect from other men, not scary predators like bears or starvation or whatever. We're all pushed to believe that we're not gonna be like other men, we'll be the hero Thats the narrative, but i think that the aggressive reaction to this thought experiment kinda show even the men that have bought into it have a very fragile belief in it
I remember being about five years old or so playing at the playground at the park while my brother, only a few years older than me, was playing a soccer game. This was one of those recreational areas that had a ton of soccer fields of different sizes, all setup in this giant clearing surrounded by a forest. The playground was near the start of the forest, and this boy a couple years older than me kept on going slightly into the forest, grabbing burs and sticking them to my clothes and hair, jokingly calling them “gifts”, despite how much it very much clearly upset me. It’s not even necessarily the potential for violence, but the potential for being harassed or mistreated. Eventually one of my parents came over and got him to stop, but from his attitude as I recall, it wasn’t as if he learned that what he was doing was wrong, he was just upset he got caught.
I take outdoor walks quite regularly, when I see a woman, group of women, smaller men or teenagers, I will walk across the street or try and give ten or so feet if that’s not an option. I know I’m quite a tall man and I can look intimidating, I know if I was in their position I’d be scared to death. I have been scared when walking and seen men bigger than me! I will always try to keep that in mind and respect people’s space.
@@seabreeze4559 no absolutely not no. Because it's a very select few who do terrible things like that, as apposed to a very large majority who are mostly good people.
I think misogyny on the rise in every Western country, but I am proud that in Australia, it's actually a topic of conversation. We are acknowledging the problem at the top levels of government. One of our biggest issues that the government is focusing on in the budget is family violence assistance. I feel like a lot of other nations just aren't acknowledging it.
I find it interesting that I asked my grandpa and his friend which they’d pick and they picked the bear. They said bears will probably leave you alone but you never know what kind of man might be in the woods. So it seems like people who would not be able to defend themselves from an attacking man choose the bear
Poor decision, a very low percentage of men assault and sexually assault women, a bear is 2000 times more likely to to attack you and it will keep you alive for as long as possible while it consumes you. It is worth understanding real assault statistics when you do you will realise how ridiculous this is.
men who get upset by this question are the reason why we choose bear. any good man would realise that the biggest threat is actually other men, and wouldn't spend their time trying to convince women they're wrong for choosing bear. men who get defensive know subconsciously that they're the reason women feel unsafe and instead of going to therapy to start treating women as humans, they'd rather argue about this on social media.
I extremely disagree. Have a little empathy like you want these men to have lady. If you see a bunch of people saying they'd rather choose an apex predator over you, it's gonna make you get emotional. It hurts to hear that. I initially got angry at the question but came to understand why a lot of women choose the bear. Does that mean I'm more dangerous than a bear? Of course not. I've never even laid a finger on a woman in a malicious way and never will. Like imagine if you replaced men with race or something. "I'd choose a bear over a black person" something like that y'know? That would hurt to hear. They get defensive because they care about men and believe most men (including them) aren't more dangerous than a bear. I think it's very messed up to assume that people who get upset at this are dangerous and treat women less than human. They're obviously arguing about it cause they're in their feelings and think the bear is a more logical option. Good men are allowed to get emotional and misinterpret things. Your argument is basically "If you disagree with me that makes you one of the people I'm talking about" which is just dumb.
@@user-Zachary123 it's fine if you disagree. i was actually talking about the toxic portion of men who viciously attack women for making a choice, without really considering where they come from. they are the ones who are stuck in their ways and It's them that's the problem. I get that it's hurtful to hear, but as you said, once you realised what it actually implied and it didn't apply to you, then you don't have to get defensive about it. but there are men out there who don't realise their actions are actually harmful to women and this is just another way for us to express our concern about women's safety. good men like you should argue but be on the side of women and speak to bad men because bad men don't listen to women. and when bad men don't listen to women, terrible things happen - and that's why we choose bears.
@@user-Zachary123 i wonder if you argue this adamantly on videos where women are the legit victim... oh wait, this is a video where women are the legit victim, and yet you're still putting the spotlight onto yourself. nvm, you're just proving the point further. thanks!
@@flannelpillowcase6475 Do you have a problem with me speaking up for men? Is there something wrong with defending men? Does it hurt your feelings that I'm right? Well I don't care about your feelings. This person misunderstands why men get upset at this question, so I tried to get her to have a little empathy like she wants men to have for women. I'll always call out someone that says something unfair or stupid like you. Whether it's against a man or woman IDC. This isn't about putting the spotlight on someone. I'm just trying to get someone to have empathy. How are you going to get men to understand where women are coming from with this question if you can't even have a shred of empathy for them and demonize them for getting a little bit angry? Do you want men and women to hate each other or something? And it's the same with men. How are you going to expect these women to change their answer if you immediately respond with hatred and insults.
1 in 3 women, and that's probably not counting women who've had that experience multiple times with multiple different people. Edit to respond to the end of video question: I'm not sure anything will fix this situation, other than maybe women becoming more of a threat than the bear. Being more dangerous than them is the only thing they'll respect.
@AnnaWillo I am very sorry to hear that and am just as sorry that I'm not surprised. I don't blame you at all - more often than not it ends in more trauma for the victim, not justice. I hope you're doing better now and have any support you need. Thank you for sharing.
@AnnaWillo I am very glad to hear that you are now on a positive trajectory. Putting yourself back together after trauma like that can be so out of body and uncomfortable, at least for me. It's hard work and I commend you for it. I hope life becomes more gentle with you while you heal and become yourself once more. All the best.
Are we really sure those allegations of assault are accurate though? How was the data gathered? Were the people reporting being assaulted telling the truth, stretching the truth, lying, or trying to fit in? In other news, here's a short and incomplete list of videos where we can see women doing their best to destroy men's careers, families, social standing/reputation and safety, simply by making false allegations of se**al assault, se**al harassment, physical assault, or harming children: th-cam.com/video/69nYfBhAyAk/w-d-xo.html LISTEN TO THIS RECORDING. She ADMITS IT. | New "YES MEANS YES" Law Is Worrying. @MAMAMAX th-cam.com/video/K8x2leCYyQw/w-d-xo.html TikToker Kills Himself LIVE Due To FALSE ALLEGATIONSth-cam.com/video/R92BsSz0HTI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/R92BsSz0HTI/w-d-xo.html What Men Have To Go Through With False Accusations th-cam.com/video/BeS2NvHd6SU/w-d-xo.html How a False Accusation Almost Ruined my Life. th-cam.com/video/ZP2syWS-2M0/w-d-xo.html Man wrongfully accused of rape exonerated after 5 years in jail th-cam.com/video/kNWW7WeJYno/w-d-xo.html Woman who falsely accused Cedar Park man arrested th-cam.com/video/HpoyuyDwKYY/w-d-xo.html Woman pleads guilty after making false rape claim in Florida Oh, and we forgot the women predators who often get off more lightly then their male counterparts: th-cam.com/video/jxqp0Jah_VI/w-d-xo.html When girls do it: an examination of female sexual predators (EXCLUSIVE)
@InsertYTHandleHere then YOU are reading misinformation. YOU are not a reliable source of information. Since YOU are making this bs claim that you think the stat is wrong, YOU need to refute it by providing a source. But you didn't. You just lied. It's very telling. Those of us who actually rely on data and sources to make decisions recognize when someone is just talking bs (you in this comment). Just cuz a random stranger on the internet says something (which is literally all you got here) does not make it true. Not only do crime stats and every article or report consistently estimate 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, RAINN estimates thar 91%+ of SAs are not reported at all and men commit well over 95% of SAs pretty much everywhere. So if ALL the violence and harassment against women were actually counted, it's probably much worse. Also remember that men dominate police and police forces tend to consist of about 40% of DV perpetrators too, so the data that is collected is heavily skewed in men's favor because we live in a patriarchy and all the policies, laws, enforcement etc were created by and for men. These are avenues of thoughts to consider when determining if a stat makes sense, and also the actual source. You provided or explained none of it. You just lied.
It's funny because they try to twist it by saying what if it was a gay or ace guy (which isn't the argument that they think it is because they see queer men as "weaker" and more "feminine" which also shows how they look down on more femininely aligned people to begin with) but you can also twist it and say "teddy bear" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 But nah, I'll still pick the bear... Plushed or not... Like what someone said in the comments "Bears attack because they view you as a threat while men will attack because they don't view you as a threat."
@@anitaremenarova6662this is the second time I’ve seen you yapping and missing the point in this comment section. Men kill more than bears, period. Polar bears are the most likely bear to choose to kill someone, and brown bears are the most likely to actually be able to physically kill someone whereas black bears are usually the most chill of the three. Either way men kill more than all of these bears combined so you can take your pointless comment elsewhere.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Polar bears, sure, but brown bears still very rarely want to eat humans. Where I live we only have brown bears, all attacks have been from protecting their young or feeling threatened. And most bear attacks aren't deadly.
A gay man forcibly grabbed my hand and put it on my friend's chest, then said "This is what you wanted, right?" I didn't want it and neither did she. Queer men do plenty of harm to women, people are just less willing to talk about it.
I was born and raised in very close proximity to bears. The safest I've ever been was in proximity of a man. The most danger I've ever been in was in proximity of a man. I choose bear. I didn't even know what was happening when I first saw this question. My immediate reaction was bear. If I could choose the man, like a specific man. I might change my mind but all things being random I choose bear. I am married to a man. I have a brother. I have a son. I still choose bear. I talked to my husband about it. He was all upset because he was of the mind that these women hadn't experienced bear before and so didn't know what they might be getting themselves into, and then I told him bear. It's a painful conversation to have with the people you love most in the world especially when they identify as the thing you consider most dangerous. As a woman. It hurts me to tell my husband, my brother, my son... that I would choose bear. But the reality is, fucking bear. All things being random. Bear. Every time. My father will never force me to sit across a Christmas table with a bear that attacked me and tell me that he's a good looking bear so he would never, I definitely must have misunderstood what was happening.
Actual facts. You are 127 times more likely to be attacked by a MAN in the woods than a bear. Bears kill an average 1 person per year in the woods. Men kill between 80-100 per year in the woods. Then there are all the times men have assaulted and stalked women and even other men in the woods. Also, bears, mainly black and brown bears, are not carnivores. The only meat they really eat is fish. So, they aren’t out there stalking us for food. Bear attacks happen when they feel threatened, have babies near by, or they want the food you have. That’s it. This isn’t a “hypothetical”. It’s backed by statistics that MEN not women, are more dangerous than bears are. They are more dangerous than all the predators combined in North America. And I mean predators as in wolves and mountain lions and the like. The only thing more dangerous in the woods than a man is literally the elements and the environment. People not knowing you can freeze to death in 60 degree F weather in a matter of a few hours while lost in the woods.
No your not you idoit. more people die from other humans because they deal with humans and interact with them every day. More less people die from bears because there is a low probability of you encountering one. If you interact with the bear as much as you interact with a man, the bear will definitely kill you more. Most men are not violent or bad. 🤡
Absolutely correct that men are more dangerous than bears. Worth mentioning two things: The only meat bears really eat isn't just fish, they eat plenty of other kinds of meat; And sure, you may be 127 times more likely to be attacked by a man, but there are also only around 1 million black and brown bears worldwide, compared to over 2 BILLION men over the age of 15. Are men more dangerous? Certainly. Am I defending SA, assault, etc? Hell no. But if you HAD to encounter ONE, at least you have some hope of defending against or escaping a man. (Edited for grammar)
Okay about how much more likely am I to encounter a man as compared to a bear? In my humble experience quite literally thousands of times more likely, considering I've seen 1 wild bear and hundreds of thousands of men
I remember that some people tried to change the bear for a spotted jaguar because "we don't have bears in Brazil so we need to put something to make people understand the danger". The replies were full of people who said "if I die for a jaguar is my fault because I probably tried to pet it.", "I once screamed loudly at one because it scared me and it left." "Statically speaking, there's has been ONE death caused by a jaguar since 1950, and it was a child who tried to approach the cubs of a very angry mom" and quotations of the old lady who made to the news because she hit a jaguar with her walking cane after being attacked (which is extremely rare) and the jaguar left. People from rural areas said that the reason they carry weapons before entering in forests aren't in case they find animals, but other people. Others who claimed to live up north where jaguars are more prominent said they are taught to stay quiet and scream if a jaguar shows up, but if they hear human voices or music, they should flee. Like, unless they bite the back of your skull, they are harmless and they see the humans as a danger.
@fairygodmother139 I respect women who respect me. Yall have called men pedophiles, rapist, murderers, and everything in between depicting us as worse than beast. Dehumanizing all I can say
@baronveros303 wow that judgment really suits you. #1 my son is ARO/ACE so he doesn’t quite understand sexual assault. #2 he, like me is autistic, and sometimes it takes a minute for us to fully grasp a concept. As he gets older and learns more about the world he will understand. Maybe you shouldn’t be an ass. I have many conversations with my kids about the world and challenge their beliefs all the time. My son is at a point in his life where video games are more important than politics or misogyny taking place in the world at large. I am doing my best to help him understand the point to the conversation. Also, I am going to point out that I have been SA’d and sexually harassed in my life. I fully understand this conversation.
Haven't finished the video, just wanted to say your eye shadow is fire 🔥 🔥 🔥 I always love your makeup choices! I wish I had the patience to do something that bright and beautiful! Also, something to remember about bears: If it's black fight back, if it's brown lie down, if it's white goodnight.
@@BryonyClaire It's so impressive tbh. I hardly wear any makeup since my skin is sensitive and sleep and energy can be hard for me, but I love seeing what people do with it. Such a cool art form.
I asked my dad what he'd pick, he said a man at first So I asked him what is the worst thing a bear can do That would be to kill me I asked him what is the worst thing a man can do He didnt say anything to me for a few minutes but he eventually told me he'd choose a bear I'm a man btw.
That's odd as the entire "worst thing" that happen thinking seems to be more female. And you are wrong, the worst thing the bear can do is to eat you and then kill you.
That's ignorant though, common sense tells you bears are more dangerous. You had to make him think of the WORSE to make him choose bear. Yes a man might try to do worse than a bear but it's WAY less likely.
@@frogoyes7611 Not really. Bears have known and moderately predictable behaviors. I've been on camping trips and retreats in areas where bears were prevalent - yet the worst I heard about during those time frames was property damage: a tent being ripped open at the bottom because the person didn't follow directions and had a bag of beef jerky there, the campsite where they honestly thought they had gotten all the coolers back into the cars only have a woman wake up and see a bear about five feet from her digging through the piled up camping gear to find the _one_ cooler they had missed... you get the idea. Yes, these are brown bears, with the occasional grizzly wandering in, but again, with reasonable precautions and smart behavior, and as many have pointed out - a bear will just physically attack. I mentioned the "man versus bear" debate and his first response was "Bear, of course."
I am a 21 yrld uni student. As my “tirocinio” I have been working as a Spanish teacher in a middle school in Italy. I am so scared at what I’ve seen. A student of mine told a female classmate “shut up, woman” with a level of disgust beyond believe. This child, at the ripping age of 13, wanted me to give him my number, and when I wouldn’t give it to him he started to become violent and treat me with contempt. Finally he decided to tell me that he knows “how to treat women” and proceeded to touch me without my consent Ps. Just checked the comment section: it’s always bewildering to me how insane people are. Women are filing for divorce so? Apparently my story is made up and the source is??. Also as a very short (1.56) and weak person I don’t think I could take a 13 yrld who is taller and weighs more than me so yes he did scare me. I also would not have been allowed to touch him or punish him in any way (I am not a teacher yet so I can’t do that) so I was left with this unruly kid. But mostly this is something that raised feelings of concern in me for this child’s future and present since he’s already interacting with girls his age in a violent manner and his friends seem to encourage him. This was just something that shocked me, I do have, like most women much scarier stories, however as you all have proven the internet is not a safe space to share your trauma.
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 Also his mom. Let’s be real, mostly women raise boys these days. Which of course is wrong, boys need both good men and women in their lives as role models.
Im autistic and not a woman but I automatically choose bear and I really don't understand people who don't. Humans are scary and unpredictable and it's not guaranteed they'll be in forests like bears are
@@misuki5894 Damn why didn't all the people injured by bears thought of that. What a bunch of dummies It's my personal opinion but if you start talking to someone in english I think a man would understand more than a bear
I said this elsewhere early on but you clearly illustrated my point perfectly. The bear will kill, relatively quickly, if it comes in contact. The man can lock you in his basement till he lets you out or use sex as payment for those almonds he brought.
I don't know anyone who would ever even think of doing this? Who are yall hanging around that you think a kidnapping is just guaranteed when alone with a man?
@@LillieWilliam that's true for anything though, the chances I polymorph into a sheep while typing this isn't zero. Like I understand where your coming from I just feel the absolute worse case scenario is being focused on a bit much
Look. If it’s what one I’m meeting, bear. Doesn’t matter what kind of bear. Hell it can be a random polar bear escaped from a zoo. Idc or a sloth bear with generational trauma. Imma pick that bear. If it’s who do I pick and they’re trying to fight me. They ARE 100% out to get me. There will be contest (within reasonable behavior expectations, no cocaine bear). Imma pick the bloody bear! Armed or unarmed doesn’t matter. I normally travel armed. But even if I wasn’t, imma pick bear. Men also have weapons. Both are stronger. I’ve encountered bears and men in the woods and the adrenaline of seeing a human male while alone is like no other. A bear? Mild interest and wariness. The second laws are not up and able to easily protect you, violence against women goes through the roof. And a bear doesn’t have the concept of my snitching to police and it getting in trouble. A human does.
Perspective is important in almost everything. The men being mad about this hypothetical question can be understandable, no one wants to be associated with something they would never even think of doing but for the men mad about this argument also need to understand the womens perspective, it's hard to feel safe walking alone at night or for any parent to trust a man with their daughter because of how gross, perverted and evil SOME men can be and so when asked "Would you rather be in the woods with a man or bear?" You wouldn't want to pick "man" because they didn't specify what type of man so it could range from a freindly guy who just likes hunting to a man who always likes being in control which can be horrifying and the besr can be any bear and depending on which type of bear or age the bear is it can be easier to get away from the bear. Another important part of perspective that needs to be recognized when asking such a question is even if the person asking "man or bear" is thinking the bear to be grown grizzly bear and the man some cool dude you'll meet at the grocery store the person being asked this question might use a paranoid thought process when thinking about the answer and the bear in their perspective could be a baby black bear and the man to be someone who could be a bit scary to be around.
Sorry for how long this is but it's honestly annoying how everyone is disagreeing and arguing about a HYPOTHETICAL question instead of trying to understand each other's perspectives
I actually walked past a bear alone in Germany and literally nothing happened. When I was fourteen years old I was walking home alone at school and a man tried to attack me
How many men didn't? I'm not saying what happened wasn't terrible, but one good experience with a bear and one bad experience with men doesn't make an argument. If every man you passed was a bear would this be the case? I don't think you'd even be alive still
I'm about halfway through this video (thank you! It's excellent!) and the thing that struck me after you mentioned the example of a man using their privilege to highlight a colleague who's being overlooked - that's what being genuinely powerful looks like. Knowing the extent of the power you hold, including the areas where that might have unintended negative consequences, and intentionally yeilding in those areas. It means being so secure in who you are, what your strengths and weaknesses are, and not fearing giving that agency to another at the right time. So much of the masculinity debate is centred around becoming "a real man" and "obliterating weakness" when the reality is that truly knowing yourself and your limits gives the flexibility of spirit to endure almost any hardship. A tree that cannot sway with the breeze will be the first thing broken in the storm. We need to teach the men and boys in our lives that the view of masculinity that they're being fed is poisonous and will actually make them weaker if they fall into it. Real masculinity, just as for femininity, comes from a balanced character.
Bear with me and don't get too grizzly until you've watched to the end 🐻
Thank you for sharing so many videos and memes with me on IG, don't forget to follow me there too as it's another way to be involved in this work, I'm always v active in my stories and I love a good chat 😊
He he, Bear puns.☺️☮️🍰
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another great nontoxic male content creator is the speech prof! He's tackled the bear v man discourse himself too
Hehe nice puns
Its the fantasizing of women being mauled/killed by bears for me.
80% of men immediately chose violence for women over a hyperthetical question asked BY A MAN!
These men are the reason why women would rather come across a random bear in the woods then a stranger who is a man.
It was good to hear wholesome comments by men who held bad men accountable for why the bear is the better option for a man or woman in that situation!
THIS THIS THIS!
It was so amazing to see men sticking up against other men, and to see the men that understood and got it.
And I am so with you on the visualizing violence. A bear won't blather or conceive every which way a man can harm a woman, but too many man have been saying how many ways a bear can hurt a woman.
The problem with a bear is individual, the problem with men is systemic.
i kinda smiled at being called wholesome, thanks :3
Go ahead and walk into the woods with a grizzly and see what happens. It’s just logic
LOL for sure, the women who are already terrified of men are being careful about their comments and jokes and where they post this stuff, the women who are brave enough to interact with these men are developing their fears listening to the effed up stuff men are saying
It called out the "bro code" that is systematic. The. Being "rejected" was a personal issue. When the problem was a societal collective issue. They internalize everything man, knowing it wasn't about them individually if they aren't the harmful ones in the first place
tbh the worst part was seeing the men proving the point of the hypothetical by writing and drawing women getting mauled by bears...
What the hell ew
Or making jokes about how women ACTUALLY want to have sex with the bear. It's so fucking weird.
just saw a video of a man and a bear playing together in a pond with the caption 'me and the bear after he mauls all the feminists' like..... :| theyre gonna maul women but splash around with you?
yeeeaaaahhhh to say the journey I took was dark as I got to the underbelly is an understatement, but because of YT rules I couldn't show most of them
Yeah, pretty much. They definitely weren't helping their cases.
There IS an epidemic of violence against women in nat’l parks. Men (wrongly) view the backcountry as a rugged, manly place. Lots of guys view outdoorswomen as usurpers and some react violently. And the men who assume women would have no idea how to handle a bear encounter are part of the problem. (Trailed by Kathryn Miles is a great book about this)
So true.
Also heard it often isn’t safe for LGBTQ+ people depending where you are
well this does seem to explain why I was sexually harassed constantly while working in Cotswold (an outdoor /camping supplies shop in the UK) lmao they did NOT like a woman existing in their spaces and had to talk about my body etc to feel big and strowng
I guess I was being a threat to them and their big strong male egos in their big strong camping gear and outdoor clothing shop, by you know... doing dastardly evil feminist mastermind things like,.... wanting to get paid so I can pay bills
@@beybladebaby Yikes. I love making those men freak out by talking about what I like to do with bug and fish parts and what I like to forage for in the woods. They always freak the fuck out.
All I do is look for bones and fish, and I love crafting from natural materials, but you can make anything way more horrifying if you try.
Somebody said once “this is a hypothetical question. And you still can’t take no for an answer” and if that doesn’t sum up everything about the situation, then I don’t know what does.
rejection sensitivity is literally a sign of a predator
@seabreeze4559 I genuinely have never met you but this comment actually makes me dislike you so much.
JUST THINK, if there was a large chunk of the globe Calling all women dangerous, disgusting, raper, druggers, worse than feral animals. Would you care? Would you care if any time you spoke out saying you aren't a bad women you were mocked, acted out to be a pedo, and shut down without ever being know because there are too many bad ones. Would you care if you couldn't even be out with your OWN children that you protect with your life because people automatically think your a horrible person?
Now tell me one more time how speaking out gives out signs of being a pedo.
@@seabreeze4559 Rejection sensitivity is usually a disorder from trauma as a neurodivergent, at least in the medical sense. And isn’t the same thing as not being able to handle rejection at all.
@Whattimeislove-ec8xr Only if triggered though. Depends on the type of bear--but most of them won't attack unless super hungry or feeling you threaten their territory (home) or cubs (children), and most will just walk away, especially if you don't have food on you.
And it does depend on the bear, like black bears are pretty tame, brown bears are more aggro but can be avoided for the most part (especially due to the history of hunting all bears), and polar bears are bitches that attack for fun like you're a chew toy.
@Whattimeislove-ec8xr I mean yeah--those are both more worst case scenarios of a pissed off or messed up bear.
Many bears just leave people alone, might steal your food, but probably won't just come at ya like in skyrim, lmao.
It's so weird that a man started this debate but didn't receive a lot of hate. Men who make videos saying they'll pick a bear over another man don't get a ton of flak either😶
Of course not. The crazy thing is men know whats up, most men would also choose a bear. Yet they wanna get mad at women for also knowing the truth.
@@efghd2624 honestly anyone that'd choose the bear is crazy and have a death wish.
@@RicochetForce statistically there's a 1 in 2.1 million chance of a bear attack while 1 in 5 women have been assaulted by men. Stop acting like bears are bloodthirsty monsters that attack humans on site. They don't prey on us. They don't even want to eat us unless they absolutely have no other food sources. Thats why people can go camping and hiking in the woods all the time. Stop with the bullshit just because you feel bad.
@@user-tr9rw7ne8x there's a 2.1 million chance of being attacked by a bear. 1 in 5 women have been attacked by men. Stop acting like bears are bloodthirsty creatures that attack humans on site. They don't prey on us. They don't even want to eat us unless they have absolutely no other food sources. People go camping and hiking all the time and end up fine. Stop with the bullshit just because it makes you feel bad.
@@user-tr9rw7ne8x and you're crazy for ignoring the actual statistics. Stop acting like bears attack humans on site and actually look up their behaviors. They don't prey on humans, stop being annoying.
I used to go to a boarding school, nearly everybody was extremely educated and feministic. We used to have one specific discussion regularyly, which was about the saftey of our potential future daughters. We mostly ended at the same conclusion, we'd love to not teach our daughters about self defence or which clothes to wear in the evening or to take a pair of joggers with them, if they were staying out in shorts. We'd want the world to change but we would't want them to be the ones to suffer the consequences. So in the end we were caught between what we think would be right and the emotional consequences.
The only solution to feel less helpless was to include the guys around us and teach them to be better and to hold others accountable and to hope that there will hopefully be a snowballeffect, so it becomes less of an issue in the future.
Yeah the focus of "girls must always be on the defensive and scared" as opposed to just teaching guys to you know...not do horrible things and to stop their fellow guys from doing those horrible things is so backwards imo. It's sad that things have gotten to this point
No you absolutely need to teach them self defense. The world’s not a kind place and never will be. It’s not meant to be. Make them strong.
@magnarcreed3801 the world has improved greatly in thousands of years because we educated people to be better.
I have seen some men change their damaging views thanks to other people who guided them.
Yes, there will be always evil in the world but why give up on making it better? I also took self defence lessons but it doesn't eliminate the source of the problem which is how kids are raised.
@@Callisto171
I’m not saying don’t teach kids to be good, but there will always be bad. Or even just neutral danger.
For real. As a survivor I get so scared about raising any possible future kids, but especiall AFAB kids (regardless if they identify as girls and women). I don't wanna put my trauma onto them, but I also want them to be safe. And I can't always control the people around them.
Tho ofc if someone did harm my kid they are gonna be lights out.
I grew up with bears everywhere in my hometown, they were chill unless you tried coming up to their cubs...
Meanwhile, men were abusive, weird and just, scary, ever since I was like, 4 years old.
Men will attack you for not being their object, bears usually attack because they actually fear for their own or their cubs safety, end of.
Same sis. Same.
Exactly.
Jeez its really terrible what happened what happened to you. Is it better now? Did you move away from those men?
@@Kleptocracy154
Those men exist everywhere. In every family.
Some are just better at hiding.
also its the men in our family who abuse us, its our "friends" who grope and touch us when we tell them to stop or "No", its not some magical mystical floating wizard pervert who jumped out of a bush or an alleyway, its your own fucking entitlement. its the dodgey shit you say about your sisters bodies and your daughter. that's the shit that makes us feel gross when you enter the room, when you stop that shit we'll stop feeling unsafe around you
It always seems like men NEED to have a sister, wife, daughter, etc. in their lives in order to even remotely have any capacity for empathy with women. I love to see when this isn't the case, does anyone else feel this way?
You shouldn't NEED to have kids to care about children. You shouldn't NEED to have a living grandparent in order to care for elderly folks, you shouldn't NEED to have a close female family member in order to sympathize with women and femmes, right?
Yeah I literally have a mental disorder that makes me over empathic and I'm not on your side. I understand your fear but your being anti male end of story. Replace male with say a jew or black person and this is suddenly very offensive even though statistics can back up being scared of them. It's dehumanizing and it's purely just there to fear monger
Obviously you've never met a real man then...
We are pre-dispositioned to protect and support the women we love regardless whether we have a sister or daughter or wife. Any decent man would say the same. Stop grifting and do better please.
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. I also think the same way about women feeling empathy for men.
Your forgot to mention mother? - The person a a boy is most likely to be raised by.
@@rsome977Women have never needed to be told to feel empathy for men, it is natural. Not the case for men.
All those anonymous commentors replacing "women" with "females" once more tell us exactly what kind of person they are.
Dehumanizing someone, but still wondering why they chose the bear.
For real. Only time I use "female" like that in reference is usually using AFAB or similar for things that affect all people with female anatomy, including trans and NB people who don't identify as women.
@@ErutaniaRose Even then, you're using it as an adjective rather than a noun.
They use the term because they're more interested in girls than in women but they know they can't (always) get away with admitting it.
its so funny because sexist men are so angry and baffled by our behaviour and views because well lets be honest most men refuse to read books by women or watch anything on tv that is deemed too feminine for them and think women are such mysterious creatures, and then we are honest about the abuse and trauma we've been through and tell them how we feel and they get mad about it. like what do you guys actually want? to hear what its like to exist in this world as a woman or for us to shut up because to be perfectly honest most sexist men I meet seem to only want to hear mens voices
@@ErutaniaRosethose are still women. Even if they are mutilated.
I’m not over this conversation at all all. I feel like it’s implications go on forever.
True.
That's for sure. It wouldn't be such a bad idea to keep talking about the man vs. bear thing forever, because it appears to really cheese the macho men off.
They love cheesing women off in women's spaces, keep cheesing those macho idiots off with the man vs. bear thing.
Me either, talking about man vs bear really hit a nerve with entitled men, keep talking about it forever and irritate them forever.
@@freakout280 I live for irritating entitled men =) its so fun
I agree
I feel like what this thought experiment boiled down to for me is that many women would rather risk being brutally killed than risk being brutally rap*d.
And then a lot of men were not able to actually unpack that. There isn’t anything in that choice that should’ve been offensive to anyone, it’s just sad. It’s just a sad choice that should speak for itself, there is no “right” or “wrong” answer.
And/or that a man would brutally 🍇 AND then unalive her.
And/or the lifelong trauma that comes from being abused by a man who ENJOYED causing her pain/fear.
A bear doesn’t get a power trip off dominating a woman. A bear can’t make conscious decisions. A bear can’t be a psychopath or a sadist. But a predatory man? The main goal is often to get off on causing the maximum amount of fear/pain to a woman.
At least, that’s been my understanding of the issue. We need to listen to women - and believe them - when they share their daily lived experiences with us. There’s a lot of work to be done to change the systems so that women can feel safer. Don’t take it as a personal insult - take it as inspiration to make the world a better, safer place. Such as asking women what would help. Ex. I’ve learned that if I cross the street to avoid passing directly by a woman walking alone, that helps. Or that if I am accidentally “following” a woman (both walking in the same direction) I can slow down/take a small detour/create space so she doesn’t feel like I’m stalking her.
These are small changes that any man can make in their daily lives with minimum effort. If it feels inconvenient, just IMAGINE how much more effort women spend every freakin day needing to be hyper-vigilant to try and not be abused!
@@RicochetForcethen you should be just as sad that women feel so unsafe with men that it’s actually weighed up in their minds in the bears favour
@@RicochetForce I keep thinking you haven't even TRIED watching the full video from your comments here, like, why are you still here?
Ah yes and not because of sexism
@@Dojafish because it's not, if you paid attention in the video or ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS BEING MADE...this is based off of the real world...we need to understand that the world is not safe and being alone with a literal animal than a stranger is way safer which is terribly sad but true.
So, as a woman who was LITERALLY chased at a park (wooded park, not even technically in the woods) by a man threatening to r-word me (I managed to run to my car with him chasing me), this is a very emotional discourse. Why did he do this? Because I politely declined to stop my walk to talk to him.
And every other man who went about their day, suddenly gets ignored and you cherry pick a really fucked up encounter to demonize those people who had nothing to do with it.
Why do women online lack self awareness? I thought you broads were supposed to be smarter than us?
And that's his fault no other man
That his fault, not all men are this loose
I'm sorry to hear that - I hope you're doing better now. And I'm sorry to see that the rest of the replies you are getting on this comment are from people who completely missed the point and likely didn't even watch the entire video.
@@basilhenry-eyo6522yeah,but we don’t get to choose the man
I'm 37, I've been getting sexually harassed since I was 9, been SA'd and groped several times since middle school, graped a couple of times, etc. I'm choosing the damn bear. Because at least when the bear hurts me, I won't be blamed and told I was asking for it and should be considerate of the bear's feelings.
Exacly. I'm 21, first got SA'd at 8 and had 3 other incidents since in various degrees, including grape. It's so gross how it's expected like a transaction. Bears don't expect that, they just want food, to be left alone, and have their babes safe. It's also exactly what a threatened parent should do.
Bear attacks/eats you = Gets rid of threatening creature in it's neighborhood to provide food for kids, or just providing food for kids--like grocery shopping.
Bear attacks because you are in their territory = Attacking someone who broke into your home
Bear attacks to get you away from kids = Attacking a stranger coming close to your children in their safe space.
These are all logical things. Mens expectations and harm to women isn't, and is systemic instead of individual.
I hope it ok now😢
I'm sorry that happened to you, it's important to realize you're still here though and a bear attack once commenced would be most likely fatal.
@@anitaremenarova6662Um, we just were shown a video of a man encountering a bear, getting attacked/ pushed down by it, and he survived the attack easily. The BEAR was the one the encounter was fatal for. So what exactly is your point again?
@@RicochetForce A simple search online tells us "Out of 40 bear attacks per year, approximately 14% end fatally." If we want to specifically discuss black bears, then "The 750,000 black bears of North America kill less than one person per year on the average. Most attacks by black bears are defensive reactions to a person who is too close, which is an easy situation to avoid." (If you still have a problem with the "framing" of that, tell Google.)
For context, "men ages 18-24 are 167 times more likely to kill someone than a black bear." Are you still sure "wild animals" are the problem?
Speech Prof is a guy who says things like, "maybe she does want to _be your friend._ But if you are hanging around thinking there will be a chance that you'll get something else out of it, that's not a friend. There is not 'friend zone'. There is a friend, or not a friend, and you get to choose whether to be a friend or not. There is no zone."
Speech Prof said it better. He also had a great video on the bear.
He articulates these points so well
Love him. Every man ever should be subbed to him
@@bottomofastairwell I agree.
@@davidmagrass6728 dysfunctional behavior is not "man thing." However, knowing that you're a friend and otherwise not a candidate is all you need in order to make a choice to be a friend or move on. Because _more_ than 99 times out of 100, "can't we be friends" means, "and that's all forever." It does NOT mean "till I change my mind."
And if it did mean "till I change my mind," it would be insulting to you, and you should move on anyway. I have known women who liked to keep a "spare," or who dated the friend, brother, etc., of the person they really wanted, and I can advise you that there are better women out there.
@@davidmagrass6728 you sometimes have to try several therapists before you find one who suits your needs. Never stop working to center yourself and make the best possible choices.
Yep. It doesn’t matter what you pick, you’ll be blamed as a woman. Nice to a new guy at work that the other dudes were goshing around a bit. Welp talking to another lady who said he liked me and I laughed and said hell no. Dudes tend to years older than me, has a criminal record, and admitted to trying to drive people off the road.
Got back to him my preemptive rejection and he turned hostile to the other woman and other people. My male boss didn’t understand why I wouldn’t just put out for him to keep the peace. So I told him about the records and asked if he wanted his daughter my age to date him. He said that dude would be buried in their yard first.
So bear! Bear!
"put out for him to keep the peace" what are you, a s-x worker? Goods for exchange? What kind of drugs do you have to be on to say something like that to anyone let alone your female employee?
If that’s how he feels then why is he asking that of someone else’s daughter?
Ye it’s alright for you to “put out” to “keep the peace” but not for HIS dayghter
@@enravotaboyadjiev7466
For real. Told him the company doesn’t pay me enough for s-x work.
Also I work in a male dominated aluminum factory.
@@virustheglitch9836
Because empathy isn’t something they fully understand until it’s someone they care about.
Men getting pressed over choosing the bear and going, "What would your father think over choosing the bear?" as if our fathers didn't spend a good portion of our early years telling us to be extremely careful of all men 💀💀💀💀
Like even my dad who hated me said i should never date a man, because (his words not mine) men only want one thing from women and will do annything to get it, and they do not care if you like it or not.
There’s TikToks of dads choosing bears over men on behalf of their daughters too btw, men know. All the angry boys in this comment section know too, deep down.
@@Angela-gd3cj My dad's response to people getting upset over people picking the bear over men is, "I went to college in the 80s. I've seen how bad men can be."
@@Angela-gd3cjWell the angry boys aren’t dads, they younger men that are usually single & virgins
I wonder if grapists think about their mothers while committing SA 🙄
“You’re around men everyday! And it’s fine!” Yeah, but how often are we around men all alone in an area too isolated to call for help?
It's fine... until suddenly it's not.
@@RicochetForceno it isn’t for most women. You clearly have too much anger at woman’s fears to be able to respond in good faith and that’s just sad. Most men would be concerned if they found out a woman they cared about would find herself alone in the woods with a male stranger. Why do you think that is? Turns out men recognise the threat when it effects women they care about.
@@RicochetForcetwo things can be true at the same time. It’s not ‘distorting reality’, it _is_ the reality. Sometimes fear is a good thing, it helps you to make safer decisions as an act of self preservation. Too much fear is bad, and you’re right in the sense that you shouldn’t let fear rule you. But that doesn’t mean that feeling fear at all is a bad thing. I’m fearful of being alone with men, and it’s reasonable given the fact that there are so many women including me who have been in compromising positions with them non-consensually.
One in three women globally have had horrific, violent experiences with men since the age of 15. Be bold but not reckless.
Yeah I make an effort NOT to be alone and isolated around strange men
Every woman I know has been seggsually harassed in a public place at least once. In both public and isolated areas, it's still MEN who are the worst threat.
"What if it's a friendly man?"
"That's worse."
Seriously, though. Just the other day a stranger came and started talking to me while waiting for a train. He kept trying to offer me things to convince me to come to his home, like beer and lunch despite my continually saying no. He literally tried to use a "pleeeeeease?? 🥺".
I even straight up told him "that's how people get r'd and m'd" and he laughed. Ughhhhhhh. 🤢
That's completely different, if you meet a man in the middle of the woods you're most likely both lost so cooperation is vital for both of you to make it out.
@anitaremenarova6662 at no point does the scenario specify that both parties are lost. I've been out in the woods plenty of times without being lost lol. Additionally, do you really want to team up with a "human being" that has the ability to understand the word no, yet chooses not to? Yikes.
@@oliveherklozoff9398 If you're not on a trail then you're lost-lost. We're not talking on the outskirts of a forest but in the middle of one. Have fun thinking you're tough shit and walking away only to starve to death. Sounds like a fun week.
@@RicochetForceand yet 1/3 women have been attacked and 1/5 will be raped - so there’s enough men doing bad things in the world to effect the majority of women. If I give you a bag of 10 sweets and tell you 2 are poisonous are you eating the sweets?
@RicochetForce having been SA'd and generally preyed upon more often by random men than random bears, I don't think I'm going to be listening to your not all men BS.
Bears are wild animals without a moral compass, and all they know is to survive at all costs. A random man theoretically has the ability to distinguish between right and wrong, and the problem is the ones picking the wrong choice.
The thing i hate the most is when men pretend that they see me as an equal. It was like that with my ex: up until some point, he was all about respect. But suddenly, there was no sexism, no patriarchy, I was delusional for thinking that there was. And then he laughed at misogynistic jokes targeted at me. There is only so much you can do about it
Girl, I am glad he’s an ex - never forget your self worth 👊🏾
better off without him
They pretend until they think they have you trapped.
There is no actual logical connection between respecting somebody and not blindly agreeing to any nonsense they say.
@@Kritikanbringer ok, do you want to add to that or like..?
Wooow my husband said that the Bears harm people when they are startled, starving, or defending their young. Men harm others because they CHOOSE to.
Bears are hungry every day. Barely any Men in the total scheme of things choose to
Why do the motivations matter? Bears kill every day, men don't.
What your husband probably means to say is that they're more predictable. Because of humanity's complex and varied nature, the many motivations and traits that go into our decisions compared to a bear are much harder to understand and thus predict
And you're ridiculing YOUR HUSBAND over that? He should divorce you... A real man would choose not to harm a woman, a real man would choose to harm only those necessary to protect what or who he loves. Tbh your misandry is on full display I seriously hope your husband sees this...
Btw he is right, the majority of bears will harm anyone under the right circumstances whereas the majority of men would never harm a woman.
@@KristoffMorgan-m3h Yet you see crime worldwide and MEN dominate those crime stats
I think a lot of men were genuinely not prepared for the potential that women would view being in the woods with a bear as the safer option. It demonstrates we have a lot of work to do in this world.
Also, the coast redwood forests in California are absolutely not to be missed!
It demonstrates how little people know or care about statistics. Gut feelings don't change reality.
It's not that woman just choose bear, it's also what the question implies and what they say for why they choose the bear.
It's understandable if someone choose bear because of experiences, but if you do so by the logic men are more "dengarous" and tried to support with statistics(which are read with face value), plus a plethora of other things It's just screams sexism.
@@Dojafishi think you're forgetting that 1 in 3 women have these experiences. so the majority of the people you see speaking about this issue, prolly have first hand experience. it's so disingenuous of you to act like they haven't. because even if they haven't, they almost always know someone who HAS. i have experienced it as early as 12 and multiple times thereafter, and most afab people i know have also experienced SAd. it's not like some rare thing which is why this question is being answered as it is, but i don't understand how y'all don't see the reality of the world we live in.
Statistically, the random man is safer than the random bear. In the UK, 0.25% of men have committed a violent crime. More than 99% of men aren't violent predators. 100% of bears ARE violent predators, because it's a natural instinct for them.
@@Dojafishalmost all women have experience with SA and harassment, and a lot of us have been raped. We are all speaking from experience.
I live in rural Colorado, and yes I see bears quite alot on my daily walks (spring/summer).
And yes, i would much rather encounter a bear than a strange man in the woods, No brain-er. Why is some random man wandering around in the woods, vs, why is some random bear wandering around in the woods? Because a bear belongs here.
Now, a Moose... That's a WHOLE different question. Yes, a moose belongs here but they don't care who you are and any play you are about to reveal. You are screwed.
If I saw a moose I would probably say a four letter word
@@ashleybowles7732 As a wise man once said, "Moose are one of THOSE animals..."
I’ll still pick moose. Let them River dance on me.
Same with me but feral hogs and dogs where I live. Very aggressive and scary.
So Bear > Man > Moose. Black bears are harmless so long as you respect them, the man is a 20% - 33% chance of a bad experience, the moose will legit want you dead.
I think it's also telling that when the women make the choice, they do so casually, maybe even laughing a bit, but when the men are asked to make the same choice for the women and girls in their life, they wince and grimace. Because the fear of men and what they might do to you is just normal life for women, but it's an uncomfortable reality for men that they aren't often confronted with and would probably prefer to ignore
Good point.
I know that I have a strong sense of "gallows humor" about the bear question.
Yes a lot of men find these a fun rhetorical exercise they can forget about later or find entertaining
Right? I've seen the men get asked this question about their daughters or men getting asked when the last time they felt unsafe was.
And you know that this is purposely the first time in a REALLY long time that, or the first time ever, that these men are actually having to think about it. Whereas for women, this is just our daily reality.
And psychologically speaking, we know that having to live in a state of hypervigilance isn't healthy for a person.
I swear that most women have like low grade/mild PTSD or something, just from having to live in that state of hypervigilance and having to exist in a world that can turn hostile towards you at any time. It's exhausting. And men have no clue unless they're really forced to think about it or confront the issue. And even then, most of them still don't want to. So it's a rare man who will think about it, and then sit with that issue and really let it sink in
@@beybladebabyI would say they don’t think about the reality and this hypothetical forced them to
@@bottomofastairwell My husband is amazing and very open minded, and is a self defense instructor, but even with him I find it hard to explain what it is like mentally constantly having to think about my safety specifically against predatory men. You do it without even thinking about it, but it's always there in your brain and it's exhausting sometimes.
I got told a to be “put down” and “If I come across you in an alley, I would kill you” after saying “If a bear charges at me with the intent to attack or worse, I have a gun to put it down as an act of self defense which many would agree to do the same. If a man charges at me with the intent to attack or worse, I have a gun to put him down as an act of self defense but I would be given murder charges”.
think it depends on what state you're in really, luckily some states would be totally understanding that you killed the man in self defense
@@Whimsical_Cheetah Yeah, you expect to not get charges for that? Really?
Don’t try shoot a bear with a handgun, it will just piss it off.
Watching from South Korea. Recently, a young woman walking in the mountain was brutally raped and killed by a man. It was a bright morning. And this kind of crimes are still going on all around the world. I feel sorry for her family. 😔Women cannot be sure what will going to happen when we meet men.
it truly is a roll of the dice
Yes and males being the usual suspects
And still, those kind of men try to play the victim by making it about themselves.... You won't know who you're going to meet, what's going to happen and what they'd potentially do to you. We sadly don't have the right to be afraid of the unpredictable, yet they won't even try to understand this simple fact
@@beybladebaby No, it is "NOT" a roll of the dice.
South Korea has about 50 million people. For simplicity, use 20 million as the adult male population. Take 10 percent of that as the fraction who have or would commit "gr*pe" and "unaliving" - a gross overestimate, but one that makes the point. So the probability of encountering a man who will commit "SA" followed by "unaliving" is 1 in 2,000,000.
That is not "a roll of the dice" - where the probability of any given outcome (with one die) is 1 in 6.
@@Ancient_ZombieDo you have no idea what a die with more sides than 6 is??
The problem is men are assuming women are saying this to be assholes and not that they are actually considering the question in earnest. For me, if I’m alone in the woods and I come across a random man…hell yeah that’s frightening. There’s an entire scene in the movie Men about just this scenario and there’s a reason it’s in a horror film. I have faith that if I came across a bear and I didn’t bother it, steered completely clear and made it obvious that I’m not a threat…it would leave me alone. I can almost guarantee it. I am less sure with a man. Trying to avoid him might entice him even more actually. The problem is far too many women (myself included) have been the victims of male violence and sexual harassment to ever feel truly safe encountering a random man in an isolated location. That is NOT the fault of the women. Period.
Then answer this question in earnest: would you rather meet a black bear in the forest or a black man?
Do you realise this is a bigotry and dehumanization issue? None of the women saying bear are doing so becouse of any numerical concideration, its years of dehumanising propaganda telling women that men are evil opressors and spreading lies like every 4th woman on collage gets r*ped.
Feminists are treating men like the naz*s treated jews.
Comparing people to animals, and choosing animals is NEVER OK. Its dehumanization and bigotry.
Whether or not they considered the question "in earnest," visual evidence - on-camera demeanor - makes clear that "some" women gave answers that they themselves do not believe. If that isn't "lying," then what is? Feminists refuse to discuss this.
"NOT the fault of the woman" ? Well . . .
You can get lots of attention in today's society by "playing the victim card." But consider the "flip side:" If you permit yourself to be led by your fears, then you become a prisoner of those fears. If there was an actual attack, then "led by your fears" means that you are, and will always remain, a prisoner of your ATTACKER. Feminists refuse to discuss this, too.
I was once in a situation where a cop threatened to shoot me. I survived because I did not respond in fear. Instead, I deployed a strategy and created an impasse: I shouted, loud, slow, and repeatedly: "YOU JUST THREATENED TO SHOOT ME! I WILL NOT MOVE A MUSCLE!" To say that the cop wasn't ready for my response is an understatement.
I refuse to forget the experience described above, but I also refuse to live in fear because of it.
Well, it is sexist to say that all men are like that. I think that this is the biggest issue with this man or bear think. And most women do not even see the sexist implications with that question.
@@maxirgendwas6079 No one's saying all men are like that. People are saying some men are like that, and in a scary and vulnerable situation they don't want to take the risk that the random man is one of the good ones.
@@maxirgendwas6079 literally NO ONE is saying all men are like that 🙄 don’t try to “reverse sexism” this. This is about the prevalence of violence against women.
I'm a SA survivor (from 1986)..... Bears are easy to figure out. Men... well, that's an entirely different story.
Yeah, bears don’t hide their intentions for days, weeks, months, years…
If they’re hungry, you’re dying tonight
Sending you love 🫶
Exactly. I've gone into nature so many times, barely seen bears really--and I've been SA'd 4 times. Yeah, I like bears. They are predictable, and if they attack it's easy to see why, and individual, not a systemic issue.
SA survivor 1988 checking in. Black bears would raid our dumpster. A bear. Definitely a bear.
A bear might be distracted by throwing some food in the opposite direction and walking away calmly. Even a mugger sticking you up for your wallet might not just take the cash and leave you alone :(
@@RicochetForce those strangers are held in check by others around them. Not alone in the woods. It may not be “healthy” but most women feel like prey regularly.
The way that men have reacted to this question and it's answers is *terrifying* and upsetting. As a minor, a damn kid, I was forced off a trail into the woods by a man I'd never seen before and assaulted. Just going through the comments I see these other women who were SA'd in the woods too.
And on the comments shown in the video I see men, angry about the responses of women, lashing out about our "prejudice and fear" or even what they view as "hatred." In truth it is nothing more than self preservation. Those of us who are not survivors know someone who is and we've all seen the statistics. This question may be hypothetical but it's not a joke.
Think of it like this- we have the potential of being seen as a piece of meat by both. However with a bear it'd be a hungry or scared animal reacting with instinct to what they perceive to be either food or a threat. In the case of a man, it's about entitlement, power, and objectification, lack of empathy, unwillingness to see us as an equal human being, desire to dominate, violate, and abuse. If we happen to survive, at least we'll be believed about the bear attack, and likely won't be told we were asking for it or some other cruel bs.
Also, if your response upon coming across these answers is offense or anger rather than thinking, "well I know that if a woman passed me in the woods she'd have nothing to worry about," or even maybe curiosity as to why one might give the answer they did, you need to do some self examination because you might be a part of the problem. If you go so far as to mock or fantasize about women being mauled or attacked by a man, please seek help....
As a man who was raised to protect and provide for the women and children in my life, no woman would need to fear me in the woods. What breaks my heart is the idea that if i were to be lost in the woods and come across a woman also lost in the woods, she would feel the need to run away from me rather than group up for survival. What angers me is being lumped in with all the trash men who would be so vile to harm/violate a woman. And what breaks my heart again is the number of women who have been harmed and warned of men to make this question so one sided.
Men like me have a responsibility to call out lesser men on their bad behavior because men like me stand between the woman and the wolf to protect her and give her a chance to run away, be the threat a wolf or another man. It breaks my heart a third time to see so many men become wolves but it makes my responsibility that much more important.
This video though gave me even more perspective and more clarity as i only recently came across the question of man or bear.
I do know that if a woman does walk past me in the woods, she will know that I mean no harm, I am trying to help her out of the woods but I understand your point, you never can know
omg, I hope you reported it. that is so scary. I never walk alone in woods, I am 59 and I think I would be seen as prey for men even at my age. I would only go in the woods with a mixed or single group
Even if my only options are a violent bear or a violent man, I still choose bear. There are far too many things a bad man would do that a bad bear wouldn't.
You also can outsmart a bear, but a man is about as intelligent as yourself, being a human and all.
A man does things to a woman that make her wish for death.
Wasn't the question about an average bear and an average man?
. The question was about an undefined bear and sn undefined man. (Could be anything from nice to vicious, but you have no way to know).
You have a chance to escape from the psycho. The bear would maul the f outta you before you think of what to do
With under-reporting aside, I don't want to imagine what the 1-in-3 violence against women statistic would be if we weren't so vigilant
Was wondering that too, but more in a sense of "is it even doing much"
Since most women deal with violence at some point in their lives, conventionally attractive or not, dressing "provocatively" or not
But maybe that's too pessimistic
@@439801RS the world is just shit, you aren't pessimistic, you're just adressing a truth, it's just a bad one sadly, and truth of the world more often than not it more sobering than not
Thats a worldwide statistic, so it includes countries that don't really give women rights. Not saying it isn't a problem, but let's be honest here, you aren't living there are you?
I think in reality it’s nearly 3-in-3. Because I’ve literally never met a woman who haven’t experienced it.
@@Batmans_Pet_GoldfishI live in the USA and have never met a woman who WASN’T part of that ‘1-in-3’. So the correct statistic is likely 3-in-3 worldwide.
That comparison with the heat map of where someone would look walking around also ties into something else: Men look mostly straight ahead/where they intend to go, while women watch out for their surroundings. This is probably why women are more likely to make way for someone else, while men often don't even notice that someone just stopped for them or walked around them. As a result, men are less likely than women to even expect an obstacle in their way.
It also speaks to the complete lack of empathy most men have, especially for women. They don't notice that other people move for them because they aren't looking because they don't care about anyone else's path, experience or safety other than their own. And they have the privilege of no accountability when they inadvertently cause harm to others due to their lack of empathy, unlike women. And it's a cycle that continue.
And ironically, less likely to even see a bear.
the differences in our brains are literally physically impacted by this too. its not that minorities, women, LGBT+ or black/brown people are lesser in our intellect than men are but we have this added bonus, this added structure in our brains that are on alert mode, on safety mode, that stops us from being able to focus on sooooo many things we deeply desire to. most straight white guys do not have to stop and think about this stuff. because they can't be bothered to think about it or listen or learn
That's an interesting point. I am always looking around, listening for sounds of someone approaching out of sight, watching any car that pulls up next to me while I am walking, etc. I should ask my husband if he does this.
@@DimaRakesah Yeah, there was also this challenge a while ago by some British woman to try and pass as many men as possible without making way for them if you would only be doing it because they just expect you to and won't move themselves. That is, this challenge wasn't about being rude to them; if it's a situation where it makes sense for you to let them pass, just do that, of course. The challenge was more about making yourself aware of how often and how instinctively you just move out of their way. I actually found it harder than I would have thought. My "favourite" incident was that time when I walked past three guys and just didn't get off the pavement. Not only did the guy closest to me jostle my arm to prove that there wasn't enough space for both of us. He/they also made some kind of catcalling noise à la "Oooh, someone's being sassy and acting up!" Again, we were four people on the pavement walking past each other and I just wouldn't leave the pavement to make space for the three of them, and he/they saw this as me invading their territory. Which, other than with a bear in the woods, I wasn't...
I saw a clip of a woman asking her husband if he would rather have his 2 year old daughter alone in the woods with a bear or a man. He kept asking who the man was, what kind of man and she kept answering we don’t know. Finally he chose bear saying, “At least the bear will just gobble her up in one bite.” If someone asks you this question and your first thought is to ask “what kind of man” you’ve already answered the question
Edit: the people who don’t get it can stay mad. I said what I said 😎
And whats your point ? You can ask the same thing for what type of bear.... some species of bears are more dangerous than others, and you are completely defenseless if they get to you.
There are many others tiktok I saw where the husband's answer was "man". One of them gave very valid reasons for why his daughter would have better chances at surviving with a man rather a bear and his wife got mad at him lol ??
In some comments of these clips I've seen girls saying to leave their husband who chose men.
Yes there are men who choose bear just as there are woman who also choose man.... but you guys also conveniently dismiss that part.
Thats Called opinion, half the population won't have the same perspective .
My sister said men even though she also said they although dangerous, they are just not as much as a fucking bear.
Please stop this contrived manipulation that my gender is worse than a wild animal, Im not a rapist, nor a killer nor a NECROPHILE, or PEDOPHILE. I could've done any of that at any point of my life and I never did because THAT IS NOT NORMAL for any person, and its uncommon for a very good reason.
All these crimes especially rape and pedophilia are heavily despised among Men in society. Just see how rapists and child molesters are treated in prison. They are excluded even among men because they are the scum of earth
Im not denying men are more likely to commit crimes, but its not as normal as you guys make it seem.
Professional victim yap yap
There's no guarantee the daughter will be gobbled up in 1 bite.
@@mantaspocius5221professional loser on the internet
ooh looks like you only got replies by 2 upset men…
The fact that many dudes are angry with women and not at the men who've given them such a tarnished reputation in this manner is only proving our point and it honestly disappoints me how they don't see it. I bet if they had mothers, daughters, sisters, or etc they would -_-
@@RicochetForce nonsense, ur offended all men r treated with caution because of the actions of a few when we know that women not doing this could mean life or death. ur dismissive attitude is gaslighting...
@@RicochetForce on the contrary... everyone discriminates with absolute prejudice.... Every day... Its only an issue when they act on those feelings to take away the targets personal rights....
For example, U cant force a racist to not be a racist. I can only govern their behavior...get it?
@@RicochetForce im not saying its ok...im saying its how things r... Dont be prejudiced. But accept that u cant force others to agree with u. U can only manage their behavior
@@RicochetForce which is why insisting that women ignore their self preservation instincts to protect mens feelings is so disingenuous
Male perspective is: i am now stereotyped as a predator by feminist ideals, so i say screw you and opt out.' pretty much.
I love how butthurt all the “super masculine manly bros” got by this hypothetical scenario, immediately proving why women don’t want to be around them.
Those guys clearly don't have any women as friends, or if they do they've never actually sat down and listened to them.
oh gosh I love it so much, you think it would make me feel worse to hear these creepy dodgy old creeps but it just exposes them as giant red flags, a very good litmis test, a nice easy way to clear up your friend list
sooo, crap on men = good? what you want a man to do, be a cuckhold that accepts whatever label he gets if women approve of him?
Turns out it's not nice to dehumanise and demonise half the world's population.
i dont blame them tbh like they’re getting compared to a animal made to kill and women are choosing the animal like its kind of dehumanizing
I asked my husband this, he's an experienced long range hiker and even he said without hesitation that he'd rather see a bear. And he's the likely friendly guy that you might run into in the middle of the woods because he does overnight hikes on his own and even he still doesn't want to run into another man alone out in the woods.
Again, lived experiences differ. I'm european and the bear I'd be running into would be a brown one which screw that especially with how aggressive they've been lately.
@@RicochetForceyou think you could reason and speak with a man who wishes you harm in the woods?
@@anitaremenarova6662 If lived experiences differ, then have you considered that their husband has experiences that would lead to him choosing the bear? You're acting like him choosing the bear means you have to as well, and you don't
@@anitaremenarova6662 Hate to break it to you. But North America has brown bears too. As well as polar bears and black bears. Brown bears are not carnivorous. The only meat they typically eat is FISH. Also, have you ever considered why they are more aggressive towards humans? Because animals including predators, aside from tigers, are terrified of humans. Because they know we hunt them on mass. Pretty sure if we were being hunted by an animal we would be terrified of them. Oh wait. We already do that. But on a smaller scale. Bears kill 1 person per year and so many movies incorrectly showing them as man eaters and people act like bears are such a scary animal. When in reality, humans kill them more than they do us as well as killing each other. The only animal that beats us at killing ourselves are mosquitoes. Cows and dogs also kill a lot of people. Yet, we are more afraid of an animal that wants NOTHING to do with us. Really goes to show how FICTIONAL media shaped people’s mind and beliefs on an animal.
I have a friend--he is a very experienced woodsman who backpacks out into the middle of nowhere and spends the night in little lean-to tents, or in hammocks, and all of the things. He goes armed with a pistol and bear spray---but they're not for bears.
I hate that the men who genuinely try to empathize and understand what women go through are then abused and belittled by other men. I think they’re way braver than the bullies.
so what you're saying is if i say men bad, i get good boy points from feminists?
Yeah pick me guys who would rather see women sacrificed are truly brave. Maybe if women actually picked men who would actually value their lives then they wouldn't have a problem.
"men bend without question to entitled women and circle jerking reasoning"
Fixed
These comments are just sad, you have 0 understanding of women or any problems women face at all and y’all are too arrogant to even consider different viewpoints. I hope one day you’ll break out of this gross mindset and find true love in a healthy way
Men who put other men down for female approval are not worthy of respect.
I think about how I have been aggressively cat called in public around other people. If those other people were not around who would’ve stopped that man or Group of men from harming me. I wonder if we framed the question towards men as : if your daughter was alone in the woods, would you rather her come across a man or a bear differently? A lot of men do not understand misogyny or violence against women until it’s framed as happening to their own daughter or mother.
The cognitive dissonance is so real .
Oh tell me about it. Some of the shit the manosphere guys say about women and I can't help but think of their moms or, if they have them (which many do), their wives and daughters
Im a man who was SA'd in public by a girl when I was a teenager, no one tried to stop it. I wish I got cat-called, instead of having no one care enough to stop the public abuse of a minor. No one believed me, not even my own family.
For real!!! As I think she mentioned in the video I saw a lot of women and girls asking their dads, boyfriends, husband ect the question "Would you rather I ran into a man or a bear alone in the woods?" and they all look kind of horrified and actually think on it for a sec before they say "yeah, bear." Its only real to them if its a woman super close to them sadly. (for those guys anyway.)
@@pinesandtraplines Im sooo sorry that happened! That should never happen to ANYONE. It doesn't matter the genders of anyone involved, victims should be heard and believed. I hope youre doing better now!
The question hits differently when it's their "property" at stake. The sad part is the men who are the biggest threats are the ones who act the most indignant that a woman would take her chances with the bear. I personally trust God to protect me, no matter who's around, but not everyone thinks that way. It's totally understandable why they would not want to take their chances with a strange man they don't know. It's also amusing how some of them claim if she chooses them they could protect her. some of them may be the first to run and leave you high and dry, or even worse, like that movie, expect "payment" in return for protection.
i thought it was so weird how personally some guys took it. "i am personally offended that you would pick a random bear over ME". but like, its not about YOU, specifically. its a random bear and a random guy. and, knowing what random guys can be like, even if its just a fraction of them, is why people pick the bear
It's very telling when a guy automatically assumes he is the "bad guy" that women fear running into.
For me it was a bit of a weird situation, because while I haven't been SA'd (outside the incidental groping) many of my friends have faced harassment at the hands of men, so I understand why people would pick the bear.
But incidentally I am also a trans woman and I've also been exposed to all the discrimination and demonization that comes from people seeing those assigned male at birth as inherently predatory, so I can't help but understand a bit why men took it so personally, if the issue is systemic, there is very little you can do individually to shake off the stigma....
But that's exactly the point of why choosing the bear is dumb, the average man hell the majority of men aren't going to be hostile if it's unreasonable. ALL BEARS ARE GOING TO THINK HOSTILITY IS REASONABLE
@@dregenbern6810 I think it comes down to worst case scenarios, man or woman an aggressive bear will be straightforward and maul you, a dangerous person could pretend to be your friend, or stalk you around the woods, I guess many of us would rather to be shot in the face than stabbed on the back.
@@elisehalflight but why are we thinking about worse case scenario so much? Shouldn't we think about the average more?
I would rather encounter a bear than a man. A bear doesn't hunt for fun, it doesn't attack for fun, men do!
bears don't say "It's just a joke love" or stick things in your drink or think its funny to make r*pe jokes to the women and girls around them, family and friends included.
I would rather not encounter a bear, honestly.
Yea they just maul you and eat you while you are still alive , hey if it's cold outside you can do a world war 1 cosplay as an injured soldier for s few hours .
so you’d rather get ripped to shreds then be with a man?? like what😭
Not all, but I get your point
This is the definition of "don't ask a question you don't want the answer to"
This whole bear thing is so wrong. It makes no sense . Like we’ve always been told to be scared of men and that they can’t be trusted. We’ve always told the same things about strangers. We teach stranger danger to our children . We tell women not to be alone with men . We are told to do all kinds of things to protect ourselves . And now we’re expected to forget everything we’ve been taught our entire lives just to spare someone’s feelings ? No thanks. We’re not doing anything wrong by wanting to be safe. If we chose the man and he did something to us, we would be “asking for it” cuz we were alone with him in the woods. For a so-called “logical sex” , men are not being logical about this
they're being very "what is emotional development" about this
My question is why are we teaching anyone to fear half the population? Stranger danger that I agree with. but a strange man and a strange women are equally likely to be malicious, so why only worry about one?
@@dregenbern6810 cuz it’s usually men that grape women and women don’t want to be graped.
@@Lunakitty1234 "source I made it the fuck up" nobody wants to be assaulted and both sexes can do it to either one it's not exclusive to men. If that were the case I wouldn't have been sa'd myself
Their feelings aren't facts, remember that.
Ironically this question is also a honeypot for creepy men
And for sexism against men
oh they salivate at the chance to be gross to women
heh. honeypot 🍯🐻
@@Dojafishah, yes, because discussions of women's safety or lack thereof are actually about hurting the feewings of men
@@Dojafish ah, yes, because discussions of women's safety or lack thereof are actually about hurting the feewings of men
"I hope the bear devours me, every pound of flesh.
So that the man cannot devour me and take advantage of what's left."
Oooh, where is that from? Did you write it?
the bear would take advantege, they are scavenger, this means that they eat rotten or decomposing flesh, this also means that even after you die they will eat whatever is left you either way
@@TraxMaster_99 good i'd probably be that bear's groceries for the week. what business would a man have with an unreported dead body other than reporting it?
@@chana1298 what kind of bundy dahmer or diddy kind man you think of, cherrypicking at its finest, you imagine the best case scenario for bears and for men the worse, something tells me you hate men in general and you use that type of argument to justify it, automatically blaming half the population for some degenerate stuff some dude did like in 20yrs, same logic racist do: a (insert minority) do this, oh so that means any (insert minority) is like this
but then, we arent encountering a bear anyway, they are endangered and probably wont last not even to 2040 when the world economic forum rules the world and probably animals like bears and tigers would get negged diffed due to climate change and whatnot
@@TraxMaster_99 that is not what "take advantage" mean
As a 2m tall metalhead who is also very shy and not socially comfortable, I can tell you that I am very much in the category of men you talked about. This questions and those answers break my heart and worry me a lot.
I have experienced walking on city streets at night and after a moment I realized that I was following the same path as a women a few meters in front of me. She entered the narrow dark street that I meant to go through to get to my destination still ahead of me. As I came into the street, I noticed she looked back and started accelerating. That was horrifying to me because there was nothing i could do in this situation to defuse her fear.
Trying to get to her or talk to her to calm her down would have been even worse. I was so sad about this situation...
So I did the only thing i could and stopped in the alley to look at my phone until she was gone from the street.
So maybe she got the situation and was reassured but maybe she still went home thinking she dodged a horrible fate...
And all I did was go to a sports club on a winter evening...
What I would like to know is how can I act in my daily life that would help this issue ? Cause the "interviening when a sexist joke is made" isn't as straight forward as it seems. And it doesn't happen that often anyway so appart from that, I feel like I am condemned to be seen as a predator until proven otherwise... which sucks a lot but I understand very much why women feel this way...
For my significant other, or my sister, or my niece, I would also choose the bear, saddly...
Wow. Thank you so much for your support and sharing. I hope you will find the good one cause you seem really like a sweet person.also did u feel like this trend could make things worse between men and women?
@@dounnette306 Thanks for the compliment and the hope ^^
On the contrary, I feel like a lot of men would actually reflect on this subject thanks to this question, especially fathers or men who deeply care for a woman or girl in their life. Unfortunately, the men thinking about this are most likely not the ones doing the horrible things all of this is about...
You weren't a bad person for walking near someone.
@@ADragon-gi9mr I know ^^ but I certainly was perceived as one, and somewhat righfully so...
@@sekishudaibro don't let these women gaslight you into feeling guilty. You can't Control how they feel the only thing you Can do is act normal which you did. These delusional women are just up in their feelings thinking a Man is a predator if he even looks at them wrong. Vast majoroty of men are good MEN and you just gotta let these women figure out their shit on their own.
Team Bear. If a bear kills me, it isn't going to SA me first and then have other male bears rally to his side and ask, "Well, what was she wearing?"
"I would rather get mauled and eaten than be SA'd"
Very rational thinking there.
@LUCYDebDolly There are irrational fears and then there is reality, most klIIlngs happen to men BY men. Coming across a serial klIIer is INCREDIBLY unlikely meanwhile the chance of the bear attacking you assuming it can be any species is 1/4
@LUCYDebDolly Again, irrelevant to what is being discussed. It's the main worry because people watch too many true crime podcasts and serial k. documentaries then think this is way more prevalent than it actually is. The realistic scenario is that you'd likely be harassed or even SA'd but that's it. No need for plastic surgery or reincarnation unlike with the bear option.
@@anitaremenarova6662bears kill and eat you. men abuse, rape, kill, and eat you, as well as repeating the process once you’re dead. bears want to be left alone. men want to rape and kill.
@LUCYDebDolly Statistically untrue, there are abuse cases that end in death but those have gradual buildup, not stranger danger in the woods.
Problems with bears are individual, problems with men are systemic.
What is that even supposed to mean? Bears are wild animals, they're dangerous as a rule.
THIS
@@anitaremenarova6662But not as men.
@@AbeeraUsmanKhawaja Sure, most of those brown and polar bears would definitely be swayed to not eat you somehow.
the problem is the male lonliness epidemic caused by the modern era & modern feminism + mixed signalling of women would rather a bear yet complain why don't men approach them.
Lmao "actually I talked to the bears friends and they said he didn't do it" 😭
That got me so good XD.
*stolen*
"The bear has a promising future as a finance podcast bro, do you really want to ruin his life by pressing charges?"
the bear is like really really good at football, there’s no way he’d compromise his future like that???
I talked to the female jury on Ted Bundy's trial and they said he didn't do it.
As a CSA survivor I will always choose the bear. I can’t survive SA again honestly. People don’t understand how much PTSD destroys your life.
exactly
A man was recently debating this, saw it was going nowhere so he posed a similar question. Would you rather leave your daughter in a room with a man or a woman? And all the men either danced around answering or listing men they would feel safe with their child. Wisdom is chasing them, but they are faster.
The correct answer is neither.
@@walter1383 nah I'd choose a woman. I don't know what a man would do to my neices and nephews. Chances are a woman wouldn't harm them
@@Mavuika_GyaruYou still dont know what a woman would do to them. A stranger woman at that. Wisdom is chasing you but you are faster.
I've genuinely no preference, thinking about the people around me I can't think of a single acquaintance I keep I wouldn't feel comfortable letting watch a loved one. I really feel people just keep terrible company
@@walter1383 The problem with "false dilemmas" is that the correct answer is often "neither." More often than not, actually.
What fascinated me about this trend was how much the hypothetical question was given a resounding solid answer, and some men just did not accept that answer. Which, ironically, was the exact issue and reason why we chose the bear. But they dug their heels in and threw a tantrum, outed themselves, and proved a point when we said "y'all're creepy".
the term is rejection sensitivity
@InsertYTHandleHere google it
@InsertYTHandleHere because *some men cannot take 'no' for an answer and become violent, even murderous, when rejected.
Refusing to accept 'no' as an answer is why women are choosing the bear, for the most part.
And *some men are still missing the point and refusing to accept --no-- 'bear' as an answer.
@InsertYTHandleHerei love when women say we dislike men being creepy and a man like you shows up to be as unlikable and creepy as possible.
@InsertYTHandleHere I find it funny that mine and Raining's comment both go out of the way to specify *some* men are spoiling the barrel, and for some reason your comment lumps all men together and all women together. While complaining that women are lumping all men together.
"From what I comprehend." Buddy. Comprehend harder. Mostly because you are assuming women have a large ego, but I can promise you you're projecting. Women are expected to wither and take up as little space as possible, that kinda inspires ego d34th.
You do realize women have been compared to meat all their lives, right? Men have been calling us and treating us as slabs of meat, objects to own and s3xualize, etc. As someone who was born fem, I've been sexualized and generalized before I hit double digits. Yet you seem really huffy when that's spun on it's head for once.
Yeah, objectifying someone isn't nice. And all I have to say to that is "Welcome to the f***ing club." Most men haven't bothered to consider "how does the *woman feel* about seeing a man vs bear in the woods", yet you (and a lot of men) seem pressed about how men react and how harmful it feels to be objectified. As a man.
Recognizing most violence against people is perpetuated by men, and recognizing a large portion of that violence is due to fragile egos shattering, is not misandrist friend. Being able to boil down how terrifying it is to be a woman to a single question isn't misandrist. Most men don't need to worry about how most women exist around them. But most women feel the need to be hyper aware of all men in their life. Men walk down the street and don't look over their shoulder to check if a woman is following them. Women trade tips on how to not be assaulted, how not to d13, like they're industry secrets. We have been overwhelmingly hurt by our best friends, spouses, brothers, fathers, teachers, pastors, etc.
Male violence against women is widespread. Male violence is widespread. Acknowledging this and discussing how to be better as a society is not inherently misandrist.
Buddy, would *you* prefer if you saw a random man in the woods over a bear? Do you know if the bear followed you that far? Would the bear follow you home? Would the bear get more excited to hurt you because you're scared? Would you let your guard down at a man watching you over a distance, or a bear? No, you wouldn't. Because the bear doesn't have a conscious and doesn't justify the assault to themselves. A bear will attack for a reason. A man will attack someone because he feels like it.
The solution i think is fairly simple: men need to hold other men accountable. Thats why this problem has persisted for milennia. Men need to spend less time telling their wives and daughters to be mindful of their surroundings and spend more time telling other men in their life to create better surroundings.
Yup, agree 💯. However, I always get racked across the coals when I bring it up with other dudes. It's really hard to stay motivated when other dudes get emotional and completely shutdown when you say there's a collective problem.
@@aaronsmith1474 Why the "however?" Of course there's going to be push-back. It sounds like you're saying it's too big a job to ask of men like yourself. I hope that's not what you're saying.
@@Larissa-eo3pt yeah that however does a lot of work and I apologize for the ambiguity. My problem is that these sort of conversations require men to be open enough emotionally to talk about them in a reasonable fashion. I often have to ask myself if bringing up this topic will lead to violence because dudes that can't handle *will* sometimes escalate. (Esp. here in Oklahoma where I'm living currently -- where I have been threaten in several occasions).
@@aaronsmith1474 I gotcha. Yeah, I don't envy you being in that position, having to do a threat assessment whenever you're trying to simply be a good person. I appreciate that you're even willing to consider it. Both my brothers live in Oklahoma.. alas they're the kind of men who feel right at home there.
No we don't.
Since patriarchy was abolished, women's safety is no longer a men's problem. We owe you nothing, just like you owe us nothing. Aren't you strong and independent, after all?
I am a guy who just finished watching through this whole video and it just made me sad. I had genuinely no idea that a woman is put in this much danger being with a man alone in the woods. I would have picked man without a second thought. I don't know if it's because I always tend to see the good in humanity or because all the men in my own life are stand up people who women would be completely safe with, but it just never crossed my mind that this is actually a genuine question to be considered on both sides.
It makes me absolutely disgusted that there are so many men out there that would actually attack or do anything hurtful to a woman, alone in the woods or in any circumstance. For all women, I am glad that you know that you need to choose whatever option keeps you safe, no matter what other people may say. But it also makes me sad because I am a man, and it hurts to feel like somehow by nature I am not to be trusted. Or that I am truly believed to be a danger to people. Like it doesn't matter how well I treat people in my own life, I will always be perceived as dangerous and not of good moral character. From both sides of the issue, it just makes me really really sad.
do you feel offended when kids don't wanna hug you too?
@@seabreeze4559 It is not that I am offended. I am just sad that this is the state that humanity is at. Men should be kind to women all the time, as should women to men. Treat others as you would want to be treated. The thought of attacking another human being for one's own selfish pleasure should never even be considered, let alone acted on.
@@lukers9819 yes I'm sure shame will help prevent rape
@@seabreeze4559 I would love it if people actually felt accountable for the things they do, but unfortunately they do not. In truth, people should feel a level of shame/guilt when they do something wrong. They don't need to live in their guilt, but it should drive them to desire to do the right thing.
Went to a police office when i was in college at 18. I told the police men behind the desk that my boyfriend id just broken up with (who had un alived people before) said he was going to come do the same to me. I was too afraid to give his name out of fear for retaliation and instead of being understanding or trying to talk me down out of my fear or supply resources they literally laughed me out of the building. They were grown men laughing at a teenage girl in fear for her life
My ex was ten years older than me he was a man and I had just freshly turned 18
I'm so sorry you had to deal with all that. that truly is disgusting of those older men to do that to you and you deserved to be treated better
ACAB.
@beybladebaby thank you! That is very kind of you to say! ❤️ it ended up working out alright. I am blessed to say.
that's so fucking bad, but what does this have to do with the video btw?
I think one of the most interesting things was how…. This kinda stretched across political lines. Men from all over the political spectrum understood why people chose the bear and men from all over the political spectrum were shitting on people for not choosing the man.
I think what upsets me most about this is that most of the men commenting on it aren't realizing how disturbing this debate is, especially when it involves literally criticizing the male gender. As a boy, it's absolutely amazing how other men have ignored the seriousness of the women who list their reasons for why they'd rather be in the presence of a dangerous bear than a man. If you feel shame over hearing about something like this, especially when it's directed towards your class of people, then you need to improve and expand upon what you're hearing, rather than blame the people for raising their voices at you.
I'm not even one of those conservatives however that "your class of people" has dangerously prejudiced undertones. You wouldn't generalize any other group of people like this, why are you so comfortable doing it to men? Got no horse in the race myself but it's just an interesting observation.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Is generalizing really the issue here? Just because I use non-specific terms like "men" and "women" doesn't mean that I'm assigning them all positions. I'm not aiming to discredit the men who take this issue seriously, I'm only generalizing so that they can use their intellects to determine if they're who I'm talking about.
@@sobekmania You sound like you have unresolved trauma regarding men, should probably talk to someone about it. Bottling up stuff like that is not good for you.
@@anitaremenarova6662 What does criticizing the men who disregard this issue have to do with trauma? I'm not expressing hatred towards men, I'm just criticizing the ones who don't take women's issues seriously. And I'm also demonstrating that it is possible for men to take it seriously by taking it seriously myself. This doesn't have anything to do with trauma.
@@sobekmania Because to people like anitaremenarova (based on their many comments here) women must be mentally unstable if they're afraid of men. According to them, men are the victims of women and not the other way around.
There was a guy flipping it and saying he would rather be in the woods with a bear than a woman because "a bear wouldnt date him for his money or friendzone him" and i think that Statement speaks for itself
what about a man in a dress?
…why is he assuming he’s in a relationship with this random woman he’s encountering in the middle of the woods did he not understand the hypothetical?
@@rejectfalseicons1920why are you assuming a man will SA you it’s only a hypothetical.
@@rejectfalseicons1920Exactly. It's a random woman he's enountering. Where tf did the date come from? Also, is he saying he'd date the bear cuz it's free? 😳🤮
@@rejectfalseicons1920men can enter any hole ig...I remember in news , how few men rped animals too like monitor lizard, mare n dogs ...
So they can imagine such things too ..m not surprised
Bears attack when:
Hungry = Their going to the grocery store
Near their cubs = Stranger near their babies
Yeah, I'm not mad at a bear for being defensive.
I love studying nature and history, and I can definitely say that studying bears makes me feel for them and I understand them, and studying history and what men as a whole have done in general, not so much. There are far too many variables, and the reasons are much harder to understand--or if you do, harder to stop or deal with because it's systemic and not individual like a bear encounter would be.
As men, we can look at the terrible things women have done and not feel for women either, like all the female teachers who SA little boys, mothers who end the lives of their children, women who kidnap children etc.
The DV rate is close to 50/50 between men and women, with a small percentage more for women as the perpetrators (52%). That's right. Women are more likely to beat men in relationships than vice versa, and nobody cares.
Violence against men by women is laughed at and ignored. Little boys getting SA'd by grown women are often ignored. One 15 year-old boy (SA'd at 13 I think) was even made to pay child support to his female rapist because she got pregnant!
Men are the oberwhelming majority (75%) of homeless. Nobody cares. Men are the vast majority of people who end their lives. Nobody cares. Men are the vast majority of work deaths and military deaths. Nobody cares. The vast majority of substance abuse (drugs/alcohol) is by men (three times as high as for women). Nobody cares. Men and boys are losing at school and dropping out at an alarming rate. Nobody cares. Men suffer from loneliness, depression and other mental health issues. Nobody cares.
Women who claim they're so compassionate (as oposed to us terrible men) laugh at men who suffer and tell us to "man up", that us opening up about our vulnerabilities is "emotional labour" for them and that they're not our mothers.
As men, we've gotten the message loud and clear from women: you fear us, dislike us, we are useless to you and you see us as disposable. As men a lot of us just choose to walk away and respect your wishes.
if a bear attacks me, I literally did deserve it--I was in their house, most likely at a time of year when they're more dangerous like preparing to hibernate, and likely making them/their cubs feel threatened. But nobody is going to ask me what I was wearing if a bear mauls me.
You do realize bears don't own forests right? So all the people who got brutally mauled by bears deserve it huh?
The question isn't personal. I'm a trans man. I'm choosing the bear. But it's not saying "would you choose this bear over this man?". It's saying in general. A bear over a man. And I'd rather die than be SA'd again. Many women feel that way. So if you're butt hurt, take yourself out of the equation.
Trans woman here, I chose the man because I honestly feel more confident outrunning a man than outrunning a bear
But men think their feelings are more important than our safety!
Yeah. My doc saw scar tissue during my pap at 20yo and her face looked sick for me. I remember standing over him with a wickedly sharp paring k...e the summer I was 19 because I needed him to not be physically able to hurt me or another naive young woman ever again. The only thing that stopped me is I knew if I took his weapon away I'd have to turn it on myself next cause I wouldn't live with those consequences. Even hollering stop, no, and you're hurting me and sobbing ragged didn't stop him.
I'm just lucky he didn't knock me up. He broke my ability to ever really trust any man again.
Bear
@@gooseazulyou're damaged goods at the end of the day
@@naglfar6305man wtf is wrong with you, seek help
its actually disgusting that i've seen men make memes of them choosing the bear because "the bear wouldn't falsely accuse me of rape" or "the bear wouldn't date me for my money" (basically any misogynistic idea men have of women) and it really shows the massive difference as to why women vs men choose the bear. Men think the worst scenario for them is being falsely accused of rape, whereas women's worst scenario is being brutally tortured, raped and murdered. Blows my mind
Нуууу да, и что с этого?
Men fear being falsely raped because that kind of stuff can ruin his life, his family, his livelihood and his reputation but I understand your point
@@basilhenry-eyo6522have you met anyone falsely accused of rape? How many? It's nowhere near as common as the real deal in my experience, and your comment sounds to me more like a dismissal than understanding.
@@hamstrbaxtr Yes I have, many guys have been falsely accused of these things and it is very sad. I am not dismissing anything, I am providing another factor to the issue.
@@hamstrbaxtrthere are case studies of people who have had their lives ruined and unrequited because of it. Do you need to know someone to empathise with their issue? That’s like the whole point of this video.
if a bear kills me then they'll find my body, and it won't be defiled
Animals without perversion!
You know nothing about how nature works, huh. You'd be unrecognizable, if a bear attacks you then it's for food.
True. You may be mangly bits, but you won't be SAed before or after death.
Also love your pfp!
@ErutaniaRose your name Rikki? Mines Riki! Not often you see that 💚
What is your definition of defiled? Because being eaten by a bear definitively fits mine
I'd choose a bear over a man if I was alone in the woods. However, I understand that not all men are like this. There are some men I've known who are super sweet and kind. There are also men I know that are complete assholes and obnoxious. Plus, being constantly rejected can eat you up even if you're a woman too.
That being said... As a woman, I am tired of strange men feeling like they can talk to me and ask me invasive questions and then get mad when I say something along the lines of NO! That's why I chose the bear. HECK! CATS, TOO, because they dgaf about you as long as you feed them, lol XD
And men will make fun of you for being a "cat lady" like it's a bad thing. Really they are just mad you found companionship that actually makes you happy, so you've lost the desperation that might have given them a chance at you.
@@DimaRakesah And yet these men love dogs because they're obedient...
The only difference is women generally internalize rejection rather than harass the men who rejected them. And even if she does take it to that level, she will be more likely to be shamed than a man who was “just having a bad day”.
interrogation questions, agreed
@@alyssapinon9670 Or who had "just lost his wife", which was what I was told when I finally reported a customer who had been harassing me at work... for a _year_.
I saw someone say that the question needed to be rephrased to say that both the man and the bear would want to kill you and a lot of people (understandably) didn't change their answer. I said that I would choose the man because I've spent time learning how to fight men... Which then begs the question, why do you think I've felt the need to learn how to fight men (and not bears) in the first place?
I’ve fought men too. Imma still pick bear. Men got weapons like us, we can’t attack them first, and they’re on average stronger still. At a certain point it doesn’t matter that a bears stronger than a man, both can throw you across a room.
@@magnarcreed3801 While that is true, I'm incredibly stubborn, and I'll take a slight chance in a fight over zero chance. Also, I know men are stronger, that's why I like Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. If there's enough of a skill gap, I could fight someone stronger than me :)
You could just say that you most like encounter many more men than bears, so the absolute amount of bad ones will naturally be higher, literally a numbers game
Ultimately this proposition isn't about the literal facts, but more about a gut feeling
The fact so many, if not most, women feel unsafe around men shows the real problem of men having a reputation that even if they aren't the attacker, they'll at least probably support the attacker after the fact(again, reputation, not a guarantee or anything)
Reality is, we are shaped by our experiences and sadly most women don't have overwhelmingly positive experiences with men
@@PotatoChicken-gg1ju
If there is a skill gap. If they’re not big enough it doesn’t matter skill.
It’s not about winning, it’s about surviving. You’re still more likely to survive a bear than a man that’s attacked you. Bears don’t understand that letting you live means you’re coming back with law enforcement.
You hear way more about bear attacks and survivors in the woods vs female survivors from men.
And at the end of the day training means Jack shit. Nothing. Training vs the real deal isn’t the same thing. Irl without a coach holding back and playing nice results in a woman with a caved in face.
@@439801RS
I’ve had bears and men around me growing up, it’s not the bears to fear.
At the end of the day I’ll be believed if it’s a bear. No one believe you when it’s a man. Literally took my crazy father leaving a voice mail about sending us to heaven for them to believe 12 year old me when I said he’d kill us.
I'm not joking. My bf asked me this question only a few weeks ago, and I'd never heard it before. I was very confused about the question. I didn't understand it. I couldn't imagine either situation at first, in order to give an honest instinctive answer. Now I'm so confused wondering why I found it confusing. Now that the question has settled a bit, my answer was always the bear, but my mind out of pure reflex not to answer a trick question foolishly, I froze in a kind of analysis paralysis and couldn't answer the question at first. As a woman... even just being asked a hypothetical question, got interpretted as an immediate threat to my continued safety and wellbeing. I subconsciously didn't want to give the "wrong answer" which might leave me open to some form of exploitation. My bf is too pure and was on my side even before I was. My not being able to answer was a learned protective behavior from years of exploitative behaviors and abuse I experienced from my father & brothers & their social echo chambers. Now I can finally rest in the truth of my personal answer. I've never ever had any particular fear of bears. I am however terrified of all stranger men I encounter even in public places. I can't even articulate why exactly. It's instictive at this point. My answer has always been: I'd rather the bear. 100%. every time.
this whole thing is kind of funny to me cuz bears are one of my biggest ocd triggers (i do live in an area with bears and my family has a small cabin near yellowstone where bears are very very common) i've had literal night terrors about bears trying to attack me or break into the cabin and can't be up there without another person or my intrusive thoughts make me paranoid over every little sound outside, even though i've never actually seen a bear near the cabin itself.
despite all this, i choose the bear easily.
Smart sister. Smart.
I'd even choose a moose or a bison and those animals terrify me. I'd rather get gored or stomped on because I know i'd deserve it because I invaded their space as wild animals. I don't deserve whatever violation a man does to me.
24 seven my daughter has terrors, waking and sleeping about men raping her because she was a victim of sexual assault. Aggravated sexual assault. We will take the bear any day. We live in the country in northeast Pennsylvania, where there was a lot of black bears. I still choose bear.
Why though? Let's say the man and bear are both malevolent and try to kill you. Which would you have better odds against: a 180 pound man, or 600+ pound bear? One kick in the crotch and you've bought yourself enough time to run away
@@SpiralShape it’s not about who i have better odds against lmao and the prompt isn’t that they’re malevolent. they’re just there with no signs of intention or aggression level.
even in your situation, i’d choose the bear. because if a bear is trying to kill me it’s because it’s defending itself or its family. a man would be making a conscious decision to take a life for no reason. if i make it away from the bear i only have to deal with whatever injuries i have and i’ll likely never be around a bear again. if i make it away from the man, i have to live with the question of why he did it, the knowledge that a person could and would hurt me like that, AND have to be around men for the rest of my life, never knowing who would and who wouldn’t do the same and reliving the trauma every time i see a strange man.
One thing I thought was WILD was that my Dad is used to posting his email, name, AND ADDRESS at the end of work emails. When he helped me write something for school he didn't understand why I didn't wanna send that and even made a joke. He has learned since, but it BAFFLES me how putting out your address is something he can and does normally do.
And I'm glad he's fucking learning.
That's also just some bonkers thing to do period! Why would someone ever share their address online when they don't have to?
@@nessie-from-earthbound1601 Exactly. I find it weird since he is a boomer but also VERY tech savy. Computers are a special interest of his and he has always been very on top of internet safety, especially when I was a kid.
So for him to do this and act this way was BAFFLING.
Before my fiancé and I got together, he always left his doors unlocked. Home and vehicle. I could never...
@@Britney-b1r Yikes...Only time I ever did that was because my brain fogg was SOOOO bad. That's just dangerous.
Your dad just sounds like a naive toddler with a phone.
I bet if majority of women chose a man over a bear, there would be creepy jokes about how that woman would “pay” that man for help; or mockery about “you are feminists, but still need a man” or rants about “all women are gold-diggers”. The list can go on. These people would not react well to any response. I’ve seen guys bashing even pickmishas who agree with them in everything.
I suppose they actually don’t want women to have an opinion at all. Asking a question, not caring to listen to the answer🤷♂️
I can't speak for anyone else but I certainly wouldn't, on the flip side my coworker called me a sexist and coddled pig for saying I'd rather choose a man.
@@dregenbern6810 well if you're a woman and said you'd rather choose a man I'd look at you a bit funny
Ok I agree with u, but the facts are just infront of everyone but all they do is throw that away to prove a point like hello if u are a feminist u have to prove ur right, currently all I think about when it comes to feminist is (ANGRY WOMAN=bad)
And BTW... can't you defend yourself
But no.... why not.. BECAUSE WOMAN WHANT TO PROVE A POINT
Men say we are wrong when we preffer the bear, but if they heard about heir wife/mother/daughter being completelly alone with a random guy in a isolated place they would certainly be very scared for them.
I would be even more scared of them being alone with a bear in an isolated space though.
Those men ain't got wives & kids tho
@@UmongusSussehFrussehlet's hope they never do
@@tigernnosaurus7324 Why?
@@user-Zachary123 because the way most of the men on the internet is reacting to a hypothetical question with threats
In my area, the question morphed into ‘would you rather be completely alone in the bush or alone with a man in the forest?’ because I live in very rural North Australia…people still chose the bush over the man. For non-Australians, being alone in the bush is considered a death sentence for trained rangers, let alone the average person.
prison or camping, which do men fear more?
@@seabreeze4559Prison. Camping doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going to be hurt by a bear since I could go camping to a place without bears. In prison I’m not going to have as much commodities as I would like. What’s the point?
@@seabreeze4559camping is on your own free will prison is years of your life gone. Shut up
@@joress fear of grape is the point
@@seabreeze4559 Which is understandable. But there are more good men than bad men out there. With guys you have a much greater chance of surviving than with a bear because even if you are so unlucky that you get trapped with a bad man in the forest, it’s going to be much easier to either deal with him in a fight or run away from him than with a bear since they are faster and bigger. A bear is a guaranteed death, a man is a leap of faith.
I get why you’d still pick the bear even after knowing this. I really do. But focus on the good things instead of the bad ones or you’ll end up fearing life itself.
And just for the record I was not thinking about grape when you asked prison or camping. I was thinking that in prison I am GUARANTEED to meet bad people while at the camping I am not guaranteed to meet bears even though there’s a chance.
As a Canadian, I can confirm you should not mess with Canadian geese. There are lots of videos showing them turning tables on attacking bald eagles and winning, not to mention how many people they sent running. 😅
I live Canada adjacent in the us. This is accurate. Do not eff with Canadian geese. You will lose the fight, and probably some body parts as well.
For real. My fam got attacked by geese in US because my parents were dumb enough to feed them at the time, and they got mad when we ran out.
They entire flock chased us in flight, fucking terrifying.
I have always been glad to eat a goose when I get the chance, lmao. Danger animal is food. (Tho ofc I wouldn't wanna make them gone or fuck up the eco system. I just like this imaginary rule that if an animal is trying to kill me in my territory, they are now food. And ONLY in my territory.)
Canadian geese have teeth on their tongue. Do you want to play stupid games with a bird with teeth on its tongue? Because that's how you win the Darwin award!
@@salicaguillotines Yikes. Yeah, I was traumatized by geese in the US as a child, no way I wanna go F with that. Only reason I would is if I was hunting for food and that's what was around.
Ngl, using the tongue teeth for crafting would be fun.
@@ErutaniaRose yeah... That's partly the reason she's saving us the visuals. Since I saw pictures and was shook at the Eldridge abomination staring back, I always mention that when people say that they can take on a Canadian goose.
They're majestic AF if you can get close enough while maintaining a respectable distance. They kinda just do their thing unless provoked - I was able to get pretty close and just watched a while in awe and the goose is probably thinking "why you watching me 💩"
there's a comic with a stick man covered in blood, is asked "what happened to you" and they say "some driver ran me over" and the response is the other guy saying: "NOT ALL DRIVERS RUN PEOPLE OVER!" while the man covered in blood is still bleeding but looks surprised. the angry man walks away saying: "I'M A DRIVER, I NEVER RAN ANYONE OVER! SCREW YOU!"
Amazing analogy 👏🏻👏🏻
The problem with it is the "all drivers" is coming from the woman's perspective, that's why men are look at women like they're crazy. Some men are dangerous just like some drivers run over people. The problem is feminism has trained women to fear men as a class and profess the only solution is class warfare. Your surprisingly safe with most male strangers even if you are alone with them, even if there are a few that are just as dangerous as the driver to the stickman. This is why men find this delusional.
That's not simular at all???
In this situation you are saying Me a man is looking at a raped woman in the street and telling her not all men do that crap. NO I would go over there and help her, I wouldn't agrue against and then if she refused my help them I would say "Not all men are bad" because it's true.
In your comic reference it depicts the driver saying it for no reason, when in reality if it was to be accurate the one hit would be saying things like "All drivers are horrible because one hit me, I can't trust you. I would rather die than be near you. I hate you" when the driver did nothing to even deserve any of it. Swap driver with men and hit with women and it paints reality
What you are spreading is just ignoring the reason we say what we say. Women literally depict ALL men as being bad from 1 or 2 encounters. I have had horrible encounters with women but I would never and I mean never say each one of them are horrible then mock them when they try to justify why they aren't.
@@frogoyes7611The degree of caution women show towards men is not the same thing as them saying "We hate you". They just have a higher degree of caution towards men than bears in this hypothetical, because it makes sense. Statistics show women are more likely to be assaulted by men including men they know and trust during their life time, than bears even if women live in woods. Trust is earned, not given, I bet you would not trust men easily if you were a woman, either, I seriously doubt it, if you have a self preservation instinct.
There are two types of men: those who understand why we choose the bear, and those who are the reason we choose the bear.
Also... Bears won't enjoy my pain.
Update: Well, what a surprise. Even when it's a hypothetical question, men can't accept our answer 🙄
They do enjoy your pain because when they eat their prey while they scream
I understand the reason, but I also think you’re way too paranoid about men in general. With bears death is guaranteed, with men you have a chance of survival.
I found on Tiktok a man on the between somehow
The problem is you assume the guy is violent and wants to kill you, that men are just animals.
@@jameswatson5807 we don’t think all men are r@pist creeps who want to hurt us by example you walk alone at night and see à homeless man with a hood up and hand on his pocket in a very isolated an quiet place and you décide to go to the opposite direction,you don’t think all homeless people are dangerous or more susceptible to rob,you just think of à what if (fear of the possibility between then we all have),like since we are children we have being taught about "strangers danger"and "to not be alone in a place with someonewe don’t know","to not be to trusty and still keep à eyes open"things then some people had to learn the hard ways and now it’s an act of hatred to applying what we have being conditioned and taught to do ?because in this scenerio i don’t know this men is a complete strangers no matters the gender,a bear is supposed to be in the forest ,a human on the others hand come here.
I think about what would help when it comes to the broad strokes of this topic heaps, but struggle to conceptualize tangible solutions.
Saying a massive cultural shift that involves men being raised differently is way too broad, yet that’s what it boils down to in my head. I think a good step is to continue having these conversations in a way that is welcoming, inclusive, and acknowledges all the difficult feels.
I think that’s why that dark manosphere content works so well to pull men in. They’re openly speaking to intense feels and insecurities (and manipulating them) and that’s easy to latch onto.
I think you did a fantastic job with this topic and felt your genuine compassion and hope others will too.
@@AnnaWillo The Bee Principle? Stinging the attacker will kill the individual bee, but most attackers will not dare attacking a bee's nest now?
Bingo. Gender slandering has only made male and female issues, SIGNIFICANTLY worse. we aren't teams and we aren't helping each other. And i'm afraid modern society will burn as it's older brothers did before we learn... until the cycle of rises and falls repeat that is.
I agree with needing tangible solutions. I'm a man but I don't know what I can do, the only real thing is to not interact with women. I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable and the answer that I have to hold other men accountable is flawed as I don't associate with men that would harm women in any way. I only have a few men friends in my life, most of my friends are women and almost all the people I work with are women.
@@Tim_G_Bennett Then you are not part of the problem.
Patriarchy also kinda teaches men that a man should protect from other men, not scary predators like bears or starvation or whatever. We're all pushed to believe that we're not gonna be like other men, we'll be the hero
Thats the narrative, but i think that the aggressive reaction to this thought experiment kinda show even the men that have bought into it have a very fragile belief in it
I remember being about five years old or so playing at the playground at the park while my brother, only a few years older than me, was playing a soccer game. This was one of those recreational areas that had a ton of soccer fields of different sizes, all setup in this giant clearing surrounded by a forest. The playground was near the start of the forest, and this boy a couple years older than me kept on going slightly into the forest, grabbing burs and sticking them to my clothes and hair, jokingly calling them “gifts”, despite how much it very much clearly upset me.
It’s not even necessarily the potential for violence, but the potential for being harassed or mistreated. Eventually one of my parents came over and got him to stop, but from his attitude as I recall, it wasn’t as if he learned that what he was doing was wrong, he was just upset he got caught.
he got off on it, sexual sadism
I take outdoor walks quite regularly, when I see a woman, group of women, smaller men or teenagers, I will walk across the street or try and give ten or so feet if that’s not an option. I know I’m quite a tall man and I can look intimidating, I know if I was in their position I’d be scared to death. I have been scared when walking and seen men bigger than me! I will always try to keep that in mind and respect people’s space.
yeah tall men get it
Misogyny is so bad in our society that not only are women constantly harmed by men, but we're also not allowed to be scared of men.
I've been harmed by women, should i be scarec of all women?
BOO!
@@onlyonewhyphy ahhh! The hell was that for 😂😂😂
@@dregenbern6810 Yes. Logically yes. so?
@@seabreeze4559 no absolutely not no. Because it's a very select few who do terrible things like that, as apposed to a very large majority who are mostly good people.
I think misogyny on the rise in every Western country, but I am proud that in Australia, it's actually a topic of conversation. We are acknowledging the problem at the top levels of government. One of our biggest issues that the government is focusing on in the budget is family violence assistance. I feel like a lot of other nations just aren't acknowledging it.
I find it interesting that I asked my grandpa and his friend which they’d pick and they picked the bear. They said bears will probably leave you alone but you never know what kind of man might be in the woods. So it seems like people who would not be able to defend themselves from an attacking man choose the bear
Poor decision, a very low percentage of men assault and sexually assault women, a bear is 2000 times more likely to to attack you and it will keep you alive for as long as possible while it consumes you. It is worth understanding real assault statistics when you do you will realise how ridiculous this is.
Feminist statistics are riddled with lies, misinformation and misandry
i guess you are scared of Black People because they DOMINATE crime stats, right?
men who get upset by this question are the reason why we choose bear. any good man would realise that the biggest threat is actually other men, and wouldn't spend their time trying to convince women they're wrong for choosing bear.
men who get defensive know subconsciously that they're the reason women feel unsafe and instead of going to therapy to start treating women as humans, they'd rather argue about this on social media.
Look at the people that mosquitoes ki// a yaer and the people bears ki// so using your logic you would prefer a bear than a mosquitoe
I extremely disagree. Have a little empathy like you want these men to have lady. If you see a bunch of people saying they'd rather choose an apex predator over you, it's gonna make you get emotional. It hurts to hear that. I initially got angry at the question but came to understand why a lot of women choose the bear. Does that mean I'm more dangerous than a bear? Of course not. I've never even laid a finger on a woman in a malicious way and never will.
Like imagine if you replaced men with race or something. "I'd choose a bear over a black person" something like that y'know? That would hurt to hear. They get defensive because they care about men and believe most men (including them) aren't more dangerous than a bear.
I think it's very messed up to assume that people who get upset at this are dangerous and treat women less than human. They're obviously arguing about it cause they're in their feelings and think the bear is a more logical option. Good men are allowed to get emotional and misinterpret things. Your argument is basically "If you disagree with me that makes you one of the people I'm talking about" which is just dumb.
@@user-Zachary123 it's fine if you disagree. i was actually talking about the toxic portion of men who viciously attack women for making a choice, without really considering where they come from. they are the ones who are stuck in their ways and It's them that's the problem. I get that it's hurtful to hear, but as you said, once you realised what it actually implied and it didn't apply to you, then you don't have to get defensive about it. but there are men out there who don't realise their actions are actually harmful to women and this is just another way for us to express our concern about women's safety. good men like you should argue but be on the side of women and speak to bad men because bad men don't listen to women. and when bad men don't listen to women, terrible things happen - and that's why we choose bears.
@@user-Zachary123 i wonder if you argue this adamantly on videos where women are the legit victim... oh wait, this is a video where women are the legit victim, and yet you're still putting the spotlight onto yourself. nvm, you're just proving the point further. thanks!
@@flannelpillowcase6475 Do you have a problem with me speaking up for men? Is there something wrong with defending men? Does it hurt your feelings that I'm right? Well I don't care about your feelings.
This person misunderstands why men get upset at this question, so I tried to get her to have a little empathy like she wants men to have for women.
I'll always call out someone that says something unfair or stupid like you. Whether it's against a man or woman IDC. This isn't about putting the spotlight on someone. I'm just trying to get someone to have empathy.
How are you going to get men to understand where women are coming from with this question if you can't even have a shred of empathy for them and demonize them for getting a little bit angry? Do you want men and women to hate each other or something?
And it's the same with men. How are you going to expect these women to change their answer if you immediately respond with hatred and insults.
1 in 3 women, and that's probably not counting women who've had that experience multiple times with multiple different people.
Edit to respond to the end of video question: I'm not sure anything will fix this situation, other than maybe women becoming more of a threat than the bear. Being more dangerous than them is the only thing they'll respect.
And RAINN estimates something like 91% of SAs aren't reported at all so....
@AnnaWillo I am very sorry to hear that and am just as sorry that I'm not surprised. I don't blame you at all - more often than not it ends in more trauma for the victim, not justice. I hope you're doing better now and have any support you need. Thank you for sharing.
@AnnaWillo I am very glad to hear that you are now on a positive trajectory. Putting yourself back together after trauma like that can be so out of body and uncomfortable, at least for me. It's hard work and I commend you for it. I hope life becomes more gentle with you while you heal and become yourself once more. All the best.
Are we really sure those allegations of assault are accurate though? How was the data gathered? Were the people reporting being assaulted telling the truth, stretching the truth, lying, or trying to fit in?
In other news, here's a short and incomplete list of videos where we can see women doing their best to destroy men's careers, families, social standing/reputation and safety, simply by making false allegations of se**al assault, se**al harassment, physical assault, or harming children:
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LISTEN TO THIS RECORDING. She ADMITS IT. | New "YES MEANS YES" Law Is Worrying. @MAMAMAX
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What Men Have To Go Through With False Accusations
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How a False Accusation Almost Ruined my Life.
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Man wrongfully accused of rape exonerated after 5 years in jail
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Woman who falsely accused Cedar Park man arrested
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Woman pleads guilty after making false rape claim in Florida
Oh, and we forgot the women predators who often get off more lightly then their male counterparts:
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When girls do it: an examination of female sexual predators (EXCLUSIVE)
@InsertYTHandleHere then YOU are reading misinformation. YOU are not a reliable source of information. Since YOU are making this bs claim that you think the stat is wrong, YOU need to refute it by providing a source. But you didn't. You just lied. It's very telling. Those of us who actually rely on data and sources to make decisions recognize when someone is just talking bs (you in this comment). Just cuz a random stranger on the internet says something (which is literally all you got here) does not make it true.
Not only do crime stats and every article or report consistently estimate 1 in 3 or 1 in 4, RAINN estimates thar 91%+ of SAs are not reported at all and men commit well over 95% of SAs pretty much everywhere. So if ALL the violence and harassment against women were actually counted, it's probably much worse. Also remember that men dominate police and police forces tend to consist of about 40% of DV perpetrators too, so the data that is collected is heavily skewed in men's favor because we live in a patriarchy and all the policies, laws, enforcement etc were created by and for men. These are avenues of thoughts to consider when determining if a stat makes sense, and also the actual source. You provided or explained none of it. You just lied.
Bears have never threatened to deny me contraception (Donald Trump) or lynch me if I get an abortion (Kevin Williamson, The Atlantic)
would they also lynch the father of a grape baby or nah?
@@seabreeze4559Of course not!
It's funny because they try to twist it by saying what if it was a gay or ace guy (which isn't the argument that they think it is because they see queer men as "weaker" and more "feminine" which also shows how they look down on more femininely aligned people to begin with) but you can also twist it and say "teddy bear" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
But nah, I'll still pick the bear... Plushed or not... Like what someone said in the comments "Bears attack because they view you as a threat while men will attack because they don't view you as a threat."
That's incorrect, brown and polar bears see you as prey.
@@anitaremenarova6662this is the second time I’ve seen you yapping and missing the point in this comment section. Men kill more than bears, period. Polar bears are the most likely bear to choose to kill someone, and brown bears are the most likely to actually be able to physically kill someone whereas black bears are usually the most chill of the three. Either way men kill more than all of these bears combined so you can take your pointless comment elsewhere.
@@anitaremenarova6662 Polar bears, sure, but brown bears still very rarely want to eat humans. Where I live we only have brown bears, all attacks have been from protecting their young or feeling threatened. And most bear attacks aren't deadly.
A gay man forcibly grabbed my hand and put it on my friend's chest, then said "This is what you wanted, right?" I didn't want it and neither did she.
Queer men do plenty of harm to women, people are just less willing to talk about it.
men play gay all the time to access women, ask me how I know
I was born and raised in very close proximity to bears. The safest I've ever been was in proximity of a man. The most danger I've ever been in was in proximity of a man. I choose bear. I didn't even know what was happening when I first saw this question. My immediate reaction was bear. If I could choose the man, like a specific man. I might change my mind but all things being random I choose bear. I am married to a man. I have a brother. I have a son. I still choose bear. I talked to my husband about it. He was all upset because he was of the mind that these women hadn't experienced bear before and so didn't know what they might be getting themselves into, and then I told him bear. It's a painful conversation to have with the people you love most in the world especially when they identify as the thing you consider most dangerous. As a woman. It hurts me to tell my husband, my brother, my son... that I would choose bear. But the reality is, fucking bear. All things being random. Bear. Every time. My father will never force me to sit across a Christmas table with a bear that attacked me and tell me that he's a good looking bear so he would never, I definitely must have misunderstood what was happening.
Actual facts. You are 127 times more likely to be attacked by a MAN in the woods than a bear. Bears kill an average 1 person per year in the woods. Men kill between 80-100 per year in the woods. Then there are all the times men have assaulted and stalked women and even other men in the woods. Also, bears, mainly black and brown bears, are not carnivores. The only meat they really eat is fish. So, they aren’t out there stalking us for food. Bear attacks happen when they feel threatened, have babies near by, or they want the food you have. That’s it.
This isn’t a “hypothetical”. It’s backed by statistics that MEN not women, are more dangerous than bears are. They are more dangerous than all the predators combined in North America. And I mean predators as in wolves and mountain lions and the like.
The only thing more dangerous in the woods than a man is literally the elements and the environment. People not knowing you can freeze to death in 60 degree F weather in a matter of a few hours while lost in the woods.
Best comment.
I hope it gets pinned
More need to see this
Thank you 🐻💕
No your not you idoit. more people die from other humans because they deal with humans and interact with them every day. More less people die from bears because there is a low probability of you encountering one. If you interact with the bear as much as you interact with a man, the bear will definitely kill you more. Most men are not violent or bad. 🤡
Absolutely correct that men are more dangerous than bears. Worth mentioning two things: The only meat bears really eat isn't just fish, they eat plenty of other kinds of meat; And sure, you may be 127 times more likely to be attacked by a man, but there are also only around 1 million black and brown bears worldwide, compared to over 2 BILLION men over the age of 15.
Are men more dangerous? Certainly. Am I defending SA, assault, etc? Hell no. But if you HAD to encounter ONE, at least you have some hope of defending against or escaping a man.
(Edited for grammar)
Okay about how much more likely am I to encounter a man as compared to a bear? In my humble experience quite literally thousands of times more likely, considering I've seen 1 wild bear and hundreds of thousands of men
@@dregenbern6810but that's logical
I remember that some people tried to change the bear for a spotted jaguar because "we don't have bears in Brazil so we need to put something to make people understand the danger".
The replies were full of people who said "if I die for a jaguar is my fault because I probably tried to pet it.", "I once screamed loudly at one because it scared me and it left." "Statically speaking, there's has been ONE death caused by a jaguar since 1950, and it was a child who tried to approach the cubs of a very angry mom" and quotations of the old lady who made to the news because she hit a jaguar with her walking cane after being attacked (which is extremely rare) and the jaguar left. People from rural areas said that the reason they carry weapons before entering in forests aren't in case they find animals, but other people. Others who claimed to live up north where jaguars are more prominent said they are taught to stay quiet and scream if a jaguar shows up, but if they hear human voices or music, they should flee.
Like, unless they bite the back of your skull, they are harmless and they see the humans as a danger.
good kitty
A round of applause for all of the men who respect women 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Nah, I genuinely try to be as nice as possible but this triggers me way to much. No respect for yall, I lost it when you showed none for us
@@frogoyes7611no applause for you lol
@fairygodmother139 I respect women who respect me. Yall have called men pedophiles, rapist, murderers, and everything in between depicting us as worse than beast. Dehumanizing all I can say
but all men are rapists? this tiktok social experiment told me so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hurraaaah, for the invisible men!
Sent this to my son. He’s a teenager and seems to be struggling with this concept. I think this is a good breakdown of this whole conversation.
@baronveros303 wow that judgment really suits you.
#1 my son is ARO/ACE so he doesn’t quite understand sexual assault.
#2 he, like me is autistic, and sometimes it takes a minute for us to fully grasp a concept. As he gets older and learns more about the world he will understand.
Maybe you shouldn’t be an ass. I have many conversations with my kids about the world and challenge their beliefs all the time.
My son is at a point in his life where video games are more important than politics or misogyny taking place in the world at large. I am doing my best to help him understand the point to the conversation.
Also, I am going to point out that I have been SA’d and sexually harassed in my life. I fully understand this conversation.
Haven't finished the video, just wanted to say your eye shadow is fire 🔥 🔥 🔥 I always love your makeup choices! I wish I had the patience to do something that bright and beautiful!
Also, something to remember about bears: If it's black fight back, if it's brown lie down, if it's white goodnight.
Thank you! Honestly I find colourful makeup so much faster (and way more enjoyable to do) than "regular" makeup
I agree, very pretty 😊
Yuuuup. And totally agree with both!
@@BryonyClaire It's so impressive tbh. I hardly wear any makeup since my skin is sensitive and sleep and energy can be hard for me, but I love seeing what people do with it. Such a cool art form.
@@BryonyClaire what palette did you use?
I asked my dad what he'd pick, he said a man at first
So I asked him what is the worst thing a bear can do
That would be to kill me
I asked him what is the worst thing a man can do
He didnt say anything to me for a few minutes but he eventually told me he'd choose a bear
I'm a man btw.
So...no self-preservation instincts or firearms at all in the equation?
That's odd as the entire "worst thing" that happen thinking seems to be more female.
And you are wrong, the worst thing the bear can do is to eat you and then kill you.
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 i think the whole thing is the be alone, with no weapons, no nothing in a forest, with either a man or bear.
That's ignorant though, common sense tells you bears are more dangerous. You had to make him think of the WORSE to make him choose bear. Yes a man might try to do worse than a bear but it's WAY less likely.
@@frogoyes7611 Not really. Bears have known and moderately predictable behaviors. I've been on camping trips and retreats in areas where bears were prevalent - yet the worst I heard about during those time frames was property damage: a tent being ripped open at the bottom because the person didn't follow directions and had a bag of beef jerky there, the campsite where they honestly thought they had gotten all the coolers back into the cars only have a woman wake up and see a bear about five feet from her digging through the piled up camping gear to find the _one_ cooler they had missed... you get the idea. Yes, these are brown bears, with the occasional grizzly wandering in, but again, with reasonable precautions and smart behavior, and as many have pointed out - a bear will just physically attack.
I mentioned the "man versus bear" debate and his first response was "Bear, of course."
I am a 21 yrld uni student. As my “tirocinio” I have been working as a Spanish teacher in a middle school in Italy. I am so scared at what I’ve seen. A student of mine told a female classmate “shut up, woman” with a level of disgust beyond believe. This child, at the ripping age of 13, wanted me to give him my number, and when I wouldn’t give it to him he started to become violent and treat me with contempt. Finally he decided to tell me that he knows “how to treat women” and proceeded to touch me without my consent
Ps. Just checked the comment section: it’s always bewildering to me how insane people are. Women are filing for divorce so? Apparently my story is made up and the source is??. Also as a very short (1.56) and weak person I don’t think I could take a 13 yrld who is taller and weighs more than me so yes he did scare me. I also would not have been allowed to touch him or punish him in any way (I am not a teacher yet so I can’t do that) so I was left with this unruly kid. But mostly this is something that raised feelings of concern in me for this child’s future and present since he’s already interacting with girls his age in a violent manner and his friends seem to encourage him. This was just something that shocked me, I do have, like most women much scarier stories, however as you all have proven the internet is not a safe space to share your trauma.
that's a tiny psychopathy, report him
and give him the police phone number
@@seabreeze4559 Probably need to look at either his dad or more likely is mom's boyfriend.
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968
Also his mom. Let’s be real, mostly women raise boys these days. Which of course is wrong, boys need both good men and women in their lives as role models.
@@user-g38fib48 That doesn’t speak good about us buddy…
Shut up woman.
Im autistic and not a woman but I automatically choose bear and I really don't understand people who don't. Humans are scary and unpredictable and it's not guaranteed they'll be in forests like bears are
Ofc we prefer bear, you guys can’t even take no in a hypothetical situation
They prove women's' points with their nasty and hateful comments.
Can bears take a "no"?
@@verspin Bears leave as soon as you start yelling at them to
@@misuki5894 Damn why didn't all the people injured by bears thought of that. What a bunch of dummies
It's my personal opinion but if you start talking to someone in english I think a man would understand more than a bear
rejection sensitivity
I said this elsewhere early on but you clearly illustrated my point perfectly.
The bear will kill, relatively quickly, if it comes in contact. The man can lock you in his basement till he lets you out or use sex as payment for those almonds he brought.
And that's not to mention the potential for conceiving a child who might end up abused.
then go live in the woods, there. this is not a harvard university exam question. men are bad so live away from them, be with the bears.
I don't know anyone who would ever even think of doing this? Who are yall hanging around that you think a kidnapping is just guaranteed when alone with a man?
@@dregenbern6810 it’s not guaranteed but the chances are also never zero
@@LillieWilliam that's true for anything though, the chances I polymorph into a sheep while typing this isn't zero. Like I understand where your coming from I just feel the absolute worse case scenario is being focused on a bit much
Look. If it’s what one I’m meeting, bear. Doesn’t matter what kind of bear. Hell it can be a random polar bear escaped from a zoo. Idc or a sloth bear with generational trauma.
Imma pick that bear.
If it’s who do I pick and they’re trying to fight me. They ARE 100% out to get me. There will be contest (within reasonable behavior expectations, no cocaine bear). Imma pick the bloody bear! Armed or unarmed doesn’t matter. I normally travel armed. But even if I wasn’t, imma pick bear. Men also have weapons. Both are stronger. I’ve encountered bears and men in the woods and the adrenaline of seeing a human male while alone is like no other. A bear? Mild interest and wariness.
The second laws are not up and able to easily protect you, violence against women goes through the roof.
And a bear doesn’t have the concept of my snitching to police and it getting in trouble. A human does.
men change when isolated
@@seabreeze4559 Exactly, if they can get away with doing something absolutely vile to a woman, there's too many that will take the opportunity.
Perspective is important in almost everything. The men being mad about this hypothetical question can be understandable, no one wants to be associated with something they would never even think of doing but for the men mad about this argument also need to understand the womens perspective, it's hard to feel safe walking alone at night or for any parent to trust a man with their daughter because of how gross, perverted and evil SOME men can be and so when asked "Would you rather be in the woods with a man or bear?" You wouldn't want to pick "man" because they didn't specify what type of man so it could range from a freindly guy who just likes hunting to a man who always likes being in control which can be horrifying and the besr can be any bear and depending on which type of bear or age the bear is it can be easier to get away from the bear. Another important part of perspective that needs to be recognized when asking such a question is even if the person asking "man or bear" is thinking the bear to be grown grizzly bear and the man some cool dude you'll meet at the grocery store the person being asked this question might use a paranoid thought process when thinking about the answer and the bear in their perspective could be a baby black bear and the man to be someone who could be a bit scary to be around.
Sorry for how long this is but it's honestly annoying how everyone is disagreeing and arguing about a HYPOTHETICAL question instead of trying to understand each other's perspectives
I actually walked past a bear alone in Germany and literally nothing happened. When I was fourteen years old I was walking home alone at school and a man tried to attack me
How many men didn't? I'm not saying what happened wasn't terrible, but one good experience with a bear and one bad experience with men doesn't make an argument. If every man you passed was a bear would this be the case? I don't think you'd even be alive still
@@dregenbern6810 appeal to exception fallacy
@@seabreeze4559 appeal to statistical logic you mean? Cows kill more people than sharks, is it because Cows have bigger teeth or sharp claws?
I'm about halfway through this video (thank you! It's excellent!) and the thing that struck me after you mentioned the example of a man using their privilege to highlight a colleague who's being overlooked - that's what being genuinely powerful looks like. Knowing the extent of the power you hold, including the areas where that might have unintended negative consequences, and intentionally yeilding in those areas. It means being so secure in who you are, what your strengths and weaknesses are, and not fearing giving that agency to another at the right time.
So much of the masculinity debate is centred around becoming "a real man" and "obliterating weakness" when the reality is that truly knowing yourself and your limits gives the flexibility of spirit to endure almost any hardship. A tree that cannot sway with the breeze will be the first thing broken in the storm.
We need to teach the men and boys in our lives that the view of masculinity that they're being fed is poisonous and will actually make them weaker if they fall into it. Real masculinity, just as for femininity, comes from a balanced character.
they claim to love stoicism yet have brittle egos
shout out to this trend for being partially responsible for me buying an american akita guard dog and naming her bear 🐻
stay safe y’all✌🏽🩷