I think the issue with boothill's banner placement is not exactly that he is between waifu characters, bc hoyo rarely ever puts several male characters in a row, it's more than likely that they will have to be mixed up with women. Despite that, male characters usually manage to sell decently (like blade right before everyone's beloved kafka). It's more so that he's a break dps and we already knew from leaks that firefly is a break dps as well and she has a lot of things going for her - waifu with the pandering levels hsr hasn't seen yet before, destruction which is to say NOT single target, and the general hype bc of the story and lore. Now people admit that they both are different and good in their own ways but at the time boothill was doomposted bc he's also break. If one of them was a different archetype i doubt it would be such an issue
Boothill didn’t do well because hoyo dropped him on us out of thin air. We had no prior knowledge of him as a character and he was suddenly drip marketed. Considering that people were heavily anticipating firefly, him suddenly showing up surprised, confused, and upset a lot of people. We had no prior engagement to him and another highly anticipated character was expected soon and that’s why he didn’t do well.
Boothill banner would have performed extremely well if they put him in the current patch, where we get to know him better. But it's a bit late to introduce another break DPS when Break meta is coming to an end. Same for Jiaoqiu. His sells would have been so much higher if they put him after the Hoolay's quest. Same can be said for Argenti or Luocha. Their banner aired after a short intro. In the end, out of all Penacony's male characters, only Aventurine (and now Sunday) got their banner placement right. After that one pivotal quest. Feels like the screenwriters team and marketing team don't communicate.
@@hdmaad you are absoultely right. I had a friend who hated Aventurine in the first part, no plans to pull. After 2.1 story they went all in for him. I feel some off these banners would have done better if they were moved around more. I feel Rappa will be in the same boat later on.
Another big reason why males don't sell as insanely as waifus is simply because Hoyo rarely ever releases them and when they do the ones who DO want him have already been hoarding jades that they can normally grab a copy without paying a single cent. Which gives the illusion of waifus sell better because Hoyo barely even tries with the males and that ends up giving Hoyo the false knowledge of "huh I guess guys don't sell".
I don't think Boothill will remain in that position for too long, considering his now improved screentime and some good teams going around (but kinda expensive in my opinion, most of them), maybe not a Ruan Mei holding rate but a bit more for sure. Also, I'm surprised to see Ruan Mei above most perm units, I didn't expect a single lim character above perm ones. I guess she's just that good lol.
her kit just has something for any character you can use her with, tho now there are specific characters being released that is just better than what she does in that specific area
@@meliho27 Yeah, it's still surprising to me to see perm characters less owned than a lim unit lol not because she's that good but because she's... well, limited, perm units can come anytime you like them or not, so I expected them to be absolute top for that and only second to Ratio
Boothill best team is bronya(HMC if enemy imaginary), RM, sustain/pela. Could you elaborate on why it's expensive? If you're talking about his 'future'(iykyk) teams than yes, I agree. But he's a pretty flexible break unit with his independency from HMC
It is legitimately shocking for me to see Ruan Mei so high. I get everyone pulling for her, but you'd think she'd be lower than standard banner characters just from F2P players/light spenders losing their 50/50s pulling for her and not being able to pick her up.
Lack of character marketing does play a huge part in why some characters don't get pulled as much. Even a male character like Aventurine got a lot of people to pull for him just like other popular waifu characters because he got multiple trailer appearances, a lot of story screentime, and the White Night music video directly references his story in Penacony story which once people found that out it boosted his popularity a lot. Not to mention that he's extremely viable in the game. If Hoyoverse gave more characters the amount of marketing like Aventurine, Acheron, Feixiao, or Firefly then more people would be inclined to pull for them but because Hoyoverse is selective on which characters they choose to go all out with the marketing it leads to many good characters to not get the attention they deserve unless they break the meta.
@@melopilled he already did. He was highly anticipated, he was the one that hoyo has been keeping in the basement for the longest out of any penacony characters. 2.2 was all about him and now 2.7 seems to be too.
Yeah, but even Aventurine only has 40% ownership rate. DHIL, the best selling male character in HSR history only has 48% ownership rate (in 2.4, his ownership rate is 52% in 1.3). Data is taken from Tieba survey. There's no denying that male characters just sell less, even when Hoyo is pushing them.
@@exu7325it's easy to say that male chara sells less when there is thrice less. Take Nihility characters for example. 10 chara, 8 females including 2 DPS vs 1 male support. Aventurine ownership outsell Fuxuan (Preservation) Jingyuan ownership outsell Jade (FuA erudition). Dr Ratio ownership outsell Feixiao (Hunt FuA). DHIL ownership outsell Jingliu (Destruction). If you want to compare, at least, do it well.
Meta wise it does not help the Erudition 5* that Pure Fiction is seen as a "lesser" game mode than the other endgames due to accessible units like Himeko/Herta and to a lesser extent Clara/Serval being seen as good enough. Especially compared to their MoC counterparts. That and getting 30k on a side in PF is not seen as badly as taking 5 cycles to complete one side of MoC. So someone getting an auto 40k would be underestimated.
I mean with less investment you could reach the minimum requirement to get the max reward. I just got Himeko recently, and I understand on why people doesn't see limited Erudition in high regard. As long Himeko and Herta could clear PF easily I dont see any reason in pulling limited Erudition (Except Herta true form, I AM ALL IN) that are only good against huge numbers, especially so with the addition of AS. Since Destruction and Hunt can cover 2 end game more comfortably than Erudition.
I had the game not updated but I came back and updated just to pull boothill, and man wht a decision tht was. He single handed saved the combat for me. He is just so ridiculously fun to play
Same, I started playing again because of him. I swiped after I lost (e0s1) but I swear I would've quit if I couldn't get him. He genuinely saved my account and made me pull for Ruan mei just to make him better. Any expense to make boothill shine and ill take it 🫡 (Might sound a little crazy, but I was going insane with Blade being my only main dps in penacony)
ik its not a big majority of the fanbase, but its pretty funny seeing boothill have the lowest ownership rate when A LOTTT of people (me included) started playing just bc of him lol. i think his character drew a lot of ppl in but his banner placement kinda screwed him over with the existing fanbase. im sure that'll change when he reruns now that ppl are starting to recognize his value 🫡🫡
Having Yunli is truly great because she’s such a rock in everything you need her to do. What’s funnier is you can put her with Clara and now you have a team that refuses to budge.
Another thing I'd like to add about Boothill is that his playstyle is rather difficult to learn, and his strengths besides big damage aren't something a casual player would see. You must gather badges correctly, make sure you use his ult delay and implant right, and not run out of SP. Not to mention that his Standoff is probably the biggest commitment in the game besides Yunli's ultimate. I love him for that, but that's because I have the knowledge required to handle him.
Something i think less people talk about it is how each path was its drawbacks erudition sometimes focus too much in aoe , hunt focus too much in single target , destruction and nihility suffers from lack of supports , and the only thing that pushes some characters a bit forward its their own kit acheron don't need a support from dot , firefly don't need too lose too much hp or get hit , feixiao uses folllow up attacks characters and she can just slot a character that helps with the aoe
I completely disagree with that. I have both Rappa and Jade at e0, Rappa is on another level. Rappa is good in all game modes, her enhanced basics deal 25 toughness in single target, no issues there, plus better sp economy for HMC, Lingsha, etc. Jade is completely useless in a single target, she is a glorified Herta Eidolon, yet Herta doesn't need her.
well, i don't have argenti/jade but iirc they are both kinda useless outside of PF. i have rappa though, and even without ruan mei (i don't have her, so used asta) i got a 4-cycle for the 1-st half of MoC, and in AS she literally carried my run in the 2-nd half. yes one could say that there are good buffs, but come on! off-element/against a bad enemy everybody will be worse! so it's pointless to say that a character not performing good against a non-matching enemy is bad. and against matching enemies she is good. i bet that with ruan mei and a good build (my rappa is kinda mid) it would be an easy 2-cycle at least. she is much better than other erudition in MoC and AS, though one could argue that it's because of break archetype itself. and she definitely doesn't suffer even closely to argenti/jade.
Doomposting would be worth exploring, as it really hurt the images and holding rates of newer characters, especially Jiaoqiu and Lingsha. A lot of people skipped them because the internet was loud from "aahh, he was nerfed to the ground" and "E6 Gallagher is better", while they are both very good. And of course poor Rappa is worth an analysis too
Can we also compare how much Hoyo gives screen time and trailers to their favourite female characters compared to the someone like Boothill or Argenti. For example they pushed Firefly on to us in the story making her the “official girlfriend”. She got huge amount of screen time in multiple batches and so so much marketing. And even before all that we were already connected to Sam. With overpowered kit no wonder people pulled like crazy. Argenti was just dropped there out of from nowhere for one simple storyline, Boothill too at the end of Penacony. It’s sometimes frustrating when people compare how well male and female characters sell when the devs and marketing aren’t even trying to give them an even playing field. Well designs characters with a proper role and connections to the story and good marketing sell. The fact that Hoyo (nearly always) reserves that for the ladies is just uninspired and outdated thinking.
Well, okay, but it goes both ways to some extent. The entirety of version 2.1 was primarily an Aventurine story. The main characters of the first Luofu Arc were primarily men -- Blade, Jing Yuan, Dan Heng. Boothill, despite not being on banner, got almost as much screentime as Rappa in 2.6. Meanwhile Jade is only a side character introduced at the end of Penacony; meanwhile Lingsha does essentially nothing in the Wardance arc compared to Yanqing, Moze, Jiaoqiu (and the female leads). And I could go on. Yes, there is undoubtedly some bias towards female characters in marketing and screentime but it's not really that one-sided. Certainly story relevance is not "nearly always" reserved for the ladies.
Im starting to see a pattern of limited physical characters dropping out of nowhere. Argenti, Boothill and most recently Yunli. Really seems like hoyo hates physical lol
The moment i read the first paragraph, I know exactly Firefly going to be brought up, while completely ignoring the whole Aventurine patch, and Xianzhou. While screentime and marketing did have influence it s the kit in the end that become the main consideration.
I think this is a vicious circle. I think Hoyo markets female characters more because they know they tend to do better on banners (because, let's face it, a lot of the playerbase is straight men pulling for waifus), and thus getting the word out more is more likely to pull in more people and more money. This means that male characters get more neglected, which means they do worse, which pushes Hoyo farther into putting all their eggs in the basket of female characters, which pushes away players who'd be more interested in pulling male characters and so on and so on. As MissEvieYT points out, it IS mostly a marketing thing, too. Male characters get a LOT of screentime in game and in the story (the only important female characters in the main 1.x Luofu story were "Yukong" and Kafka, and even Kafka didn't do that much), and there are a decent few female characters who get shafted storywise. The game itself is pretty equal opportunity in this way. It's the marketing that's not.
proud e2 boothill, e1 argenti, and e1 jade haver ⸜( ´ ꒳ ` )⸝ no acheron or feixiao on my account either, so i'm clearing all the endgame modes with those 3. i understand completely why these characters have the lowest ownership rate, but i don't really care about pulling for meta and just pull for the designs i like the most (boothill/argenti) and what kits i personally find the most fun (boothill/jade). not everyone shares the same sentiment but that's how i choose to enjoy the game oh and i play love and deepspace! makes sense doesn't it?
I got Argenti instead of Jade , and i love to use him. Even in bad scenarios that is MOC or APO-Shadow ...... but well i see beauty in everything now :D I have to say the Voiceactor changes hit me hard ..... but still Beauty is in everything :D Really fun to Use and well his Eidolons are really good , exeption for E2 thats just trash :D HAve a great day and ty for Reading may Idrila bless you
Yes. Losing the original VA was a huge hit for Argenti. The new one does his best but that wonderfully silly “shoujo male lead” energy was lost 😞. But I still like him. Maybe after few years we’ll get used to the new serious Argenti.
I have a big appreciation for boothill. I was really struggling on Sunday and my only main damage dealer was jingliu, so when I say bh’s animations and kit, I pulled and got him. He single-handedly carried me through the fight
Argenti is def my type of guy, but as someone who strictly pulls for meta, he wasn't an appealing choice. Besides Ruan Mei (and saving for Silver Wolf's rerun, I like her), there are 2 other reasons why I, and probably a few others, skipped him. 1. He was paired with Huohuo, who was also unfortunately positioned as the 3rd limited sustain. Many people, myself included, were content with 2 limited sustains and saw no value in pulling for a marginally better third one, especially with her having an SP neutral rotation. Since I didn't need Huohuo, who paired nicely with Argenti, Argenti was an easy skip as well. 2. Despite Argenti's big multipliers, he struggles in low enemy count MoCs due to not being able to recharge Ult anywhere near fast enough. His only good boss matchups are vs True Sting, himself (lol) and Aventurine, and well even with Aventurine giving him one guaranteed max Ult per cycle, his average performance was bottom of the pack. Sure, sustainless Argenti could still kick Aventurine's butt, but not many people were running sustainless Argenti for obvious reasons. That being said, I still think he's a top tier DPS for Pure Fiction (second only to Jade imo), and I hope he gets the respect he deserves from the community for his niche. Great video as always!
1:53 It’s kind of ironic that being a man is one of the factors that a character isn’t popular when Sunday has the highest likes on twitter as of now 😂 But you’re right, as a proud husbando enjoyer hrs needs to double down on husbandos like blade, Sunday, and boothill.
theyve shown they can do really well with male characters IF ONLY THEY GAVE THEM ACTUAL TIME TO COOK. like jing yuan, aventurine hogged an entire patch and he is pretty well received and a lot have him for good reason, sunday would be the ultimate proving ground that men can sell better than women if they really tried and i hope thats the case. (even if fugue has to be sacrificed for it).
Tbf only certain men can rank atop the best, aventurine, Sunday , our general but yeah unless you dazzle the fanbase massively you're basically not going to sell well
Yep, and people are starting to see her damage potential. Tbf she's really not beginner friendly coz of those counter timings, but holy sht the satisfaction of hitting those counters are immaculate
I wanted her because I'm a Clara main, and skipped her because, I'm a Clara main... Another reason is because I couldn't get behind her personality while her banner was up (she was bratty like early Yanqing, so pairing her with a Yanqing who has matured in the story just wasn't a good look imo). She was better in the 2.5 story, so that was when the regret started to set in for me.
@@itsarches yeah the big think about Yunli is that she was just an annoying brat, which after Penacony which had interesting characters personality and lorewise was just uhhhhh
- filler/side character, out of nowhere with little screen times - even if Hoyo added screen time to boost their appearance they are only in filler story (yet) - unlucky banner position between most anticipated characters it's not related to how strong or how meta they are. Those 2 Eruditions are trivialize PF, Yunli is versatile can cheese in both 3 end game modes and her parry dmg can compare with Acheron or Feixiao dmg, Boothill regularly 0c MoC even with low investment, BS is still the strongest DoT and DoT was the most versatile archtype that can tackle all 3 end games with ease.
Proud Boothill owner. Started playing the game for him and managed to pull him just before his banner left. He's the center of my account alongside Kafka, who i pulled in 2.5, so all characters i pull fall under "Will they help my Boothill team or DoT team?"
not my first 2 DPS (boothill and jade) characters being on the list 💀💀💀 boothill is a joy to play and i wouldn't exchange him for firefly even if the game paid me for it, he's so fun and satisfying while having insane numbers. jade is also a pleasure, excellent sub-DPS that whips PF stages to shreds and i was strongly undecided about who to pull between her and argenti for pure fiction so if i had the money to whale just a tiny bit, it'd be a trifecta of flopped yet beloved characters
It honestly feels like they if then want Erudition/PF-focused characters to be pulled they need to powercreep the game mode. As is right now it's still incredibly comfortable to clear it with a decently built Himeko and Herta - a standard banner 5-star and an E6-guaranteed 4-star - and a lot of main DPS units do good enough incidental splash damage anyway (Acheron can usually carry the side that Himeko and Herta aren't on for me, I'm sure FF, DHIL and Blade could too). I picked up Rappa because I think she's really cool, and while she's definitely stronger in PF she doesn't feel like much of an upgrade because Himeko and Herta carry so easily anyway. It's the only game mode like that, too, you sort of need specialized limited units to really easily clear MoC and Apoc (not that it's NOT possible to clear with standard banner five stars, but you're going to have to really try hard, whereas in PF you can turn your brain off and let Himeko and Herta just carry).
Jade owner here. I love the character and already have A+ artifacts on her. I can see why she wasent picked up due to bad banner placement, and there will just be better teams in every mode outside of PF. I still dont regret her. I love her animations, and just how fun it is to follow up attack like 6 times in a row.
3 of these characters are my most wanted characters in the entire game, being Jade, Boothill, and Yunli. The only reason I didn't get Boothill and Yunli was because I both lost 50/50 and also because they were placed around characters I really wanted/needed. Ruan Mei and Firefly were both after Boothill, with Ruan Mei being my most wanted character at the time and Firefly being the character I started the game for. And for Yunli, Sparkle was one of my most wanted units at the time, and I also had to get Huohuo since I didn't have a limited sustain character. The reason I didn't get Jade is both because of being after Firefly and Ruan Mei, but more importantly because I didn't realize how fun she was until after her banner had already ended. All three of these characters, in my opinion, are the three most fun characters in the entire game. Boothill and Yunli both have really satisfying effects and animations, as well as playstyles that make me feel good at the game. And Jade does a billion follow-up attacks and has a ton of goofy and weird teams that she can run, which is always a bonus as opposed to other DPS/Sub-DPS characters who only have one or two teams, like Jingliu.
Considering Topaz has had two reruns now, one after Ratio and one after Feixiao, it would be interesting to see how much her ownership jumped on each one.
I remember wanting Argenti because i find him funny, but then his rerun was with Jade... I spended everything for Jade. And now that Argenti English VA was changed, imo it lost a lot of his charm so i don't regret a lot of this
For me, Yunli is perfect, and instead of putting her on stages where enemies have Physical weakness, I do the opposite. Since the mobs are not getting broken, she gets hit more which means higher attack frequency because of her counter mechanic. Another cool thing about Yunli is that she can be a sustain. With her sig LC, she can literally just take all the single attacks onto her and avoid her allies to get hit, and additionally, she can heal to sustain herself. Lastly, since I don't bring her in stages where enemies have Physical weakness, you might think she is not dealing enough damage, but my Yunli has her E2. And yes, I love def reduction and that helps her a lot to bring them enemies down even if they're not weak to Physical type. I am currently using E0S1 Jiaoqiu, E1S0 Robin, and E6 S5 Resolution Pela with her, and the result is just magnificent. Yes, I even skipped Feixiao and my acc is still doing fine because of this team I have. I was even able to 0 cycle Hoolay so easily. Maybe it's because the cost is too high, but still this team is fun to play, and I believe they will carry me through the other end games coming in the future.
As someone who started playing HSR because of Boothill alone, I can say without a doubt, that his only selling points are: 1. Being a tall male - 2. Being a goofy aah cowboy with shark teeth and silly words- 3. His robo body and mysterious backstory. He had no ads but as of now he has become more and more relevant (and became my most favorite character ever). I believe he might get better sales during his rerun but yeah everyone probably already mentioned his placement next to a waifu who goes on dates with you in and out of game. I love Galaxy Rangers and besides Acheron, who isn't one at all that was just a cover-up identity, before Rappa, we basically didn't know who these guys are and they never were relevant at all. People just gladly skipped him for Firefly. Nobody knew how fun and stimulating Boothill's gameplay is.
In one of your videos you said that you need ideas for new videos, since it is hard to come up with them on your own. So here is one about that rumor, that has been out and aboutt lately - the New Path. It is said, that the new Path - Remembrance - will be added to the game, and it will fully embrace the idea of playable characters adding summons to fight alongside them. And since this path is likely bound to the upcomming StarRail&Fate collab, this will surely a big nuke on the community, just like HTB was when he was added. So, the main question - how do you expect this addition to affect current meta? And here are some smaller questions, based around that: 1)How do you think, will summons work like they did before, where they just "exist there" and do their own stuff, or will it be like in that trashcan event and we will be able to actually control them? 2)It is said that this new kind of summons will also have their own, separate HP bars, and they can be attacked like any party member. So, how do you think, what will happen if summon dies - will the master have some sort of way to resummon them, or are they gone for good and should be looked for like all partymembers? 3)Personally, I am kinda curious in WHO will they be summoning. Like, is that some sort of made-up being like all summons before, or will they be like memories of actual people? The Paths name and oncomming collab suggest the second is propably true... This will also make Remembrance a bit unique - other paths already have 3 units who have summons, but all of them are kinda faceless - bunnies for lingsha, Numby for Topaz, the thunder-dude for Jing Yuan - they are either faceless or dont really have a human-like personality. But a path specifically about preserving memories AND about creating summons... should propably create summons from memories, memories about Heroes from times long past. From what I know about "Fate", this would fit really well into their enigma. 4)Okay, so their path is all about creating summons. But... What WILL those summons do? Will they all be Attacking enemies? Supporting allies? Defending? From what I expect, they might as well be like nihility and have crippling identity crisis - "Heal or kill?". Although personally, I like the idea of the Characters of Remembrance creating not "just" summons, but summons following some path. Again, if summons, like I personally expect, will be actual people, even if long gone, they, too, would have some sort of path they follow. So, that would make Remembrance work essentially like 2 characters. Though that makes them look a bit like existing paths, so I hope they find some way to make Remembrance really distinct from others. Well, that pretty much summs up all my thoughts on this matter. I hope you will read this, and will not hesitate to copypaste this under every new video until i get a responce Hope this was interesting)
As a big topaz enjoyer seeings her so low it kinda wild. I'm not sure how her rerun with lingsha would affect that either because... Well there was a lot of doom posting about her getting power creept by moze, which was interesting to say the least
Even if you think this video is a bit mid because it's not theorem stuff, i i plenty enjoyed it !! I've just woke up and am in bed and this felt like just a really nice thing to watch oddly enough, all of your content is always so great
I have E1S0 Jade. My first AS clear is with Ratio×Jade team comp on 1st and ff on 2nd. After all that, i'm still clearing non pf content with her (she annihilates sunday) Definitely getting her sig lc on rerun.
Booty is a walking nuke. I used him and Blade as double DPS vs Hoolay and annihilated him off the face of Xianzhou. It's incredible how much damage he does while being flexible. Even funnier because I didn't summon for meta I saw his stance and immediately summomed for him
I wonder how this has changed. I feel like rappa will probably be replacing swan for the #5 slot but maybe not, because at the end of the day break dps is still break dps.
nah rappa has been shown to be decently popular and I already know a few people, myself included, pulled because they skipped or missed out on boothill or firefly. blackswan is tied to DoT, which... Yeah.
@@hedgehugs well that is just proved that Break DPS is still Break DPS, their dmg is just unreasonable with low investment. While they did fell off on higher investment compared to other DPS unit like Feixiao or Acheron, but cmon, how many percent of the playerbase are able to reach that breakthrough.
Day 1 player here and I have always loved Boothill cause his design was just flat out cool. His game play just got me even more excited cause it's unique and fun But yeah I guess he's more cool than handsome and that just isn't enough for most of the girlies
It's still so crazy to me that Kafka has that low of an ownership rate. I would imagine it's part of why DOT hasn't gotten a lot of additional support too - they're selling future DOT units to people who own Kafka, but when that Kafka ownership rating is not good.... yikes. That kind of strategy seems to have worked better for the Acheron/Jiaoqiu duo since Acheron's ownership rate is much higher
I'm gonna give a different perspective on why some of these characters have low acquisition rates: market cannibalism Boothill, Jade, and Yunli came out while the hype for Wuthering Waves and Zenless Zone Zero were still strong. WW and ZZZ barely attracted new gacha players. They just cannibalized the existing Hoyoverse market. After the hype of WW and ZZZ died down, we can see the playerbase move back to Star Rail/Genshin Impact. Most people have a limited entertainment budget, and various entertainment competes for that limited budget.
2024 Player here. 1. Boothill. I got him and his LC. Will go for the E1 on his rerun. Appealed to me more than Firefly. 2. Jade. Got her for Pure Fiction/Swarm boss which is everywhere. Her E1 will work really well with Feixiao, so I'll go for that and her LC in the future. 3. Yunli. I went for her and lost 50/50 to Geppard. 😢 4. Argenti. I will never pull for someone who calls me his "Gallant friend" and then kills my entire team with an AOE. 😂 5. Black Swan. My brain is too small to understand how she works. 😅
i wonder if now sunday as the 5 star energy regen (kindof) can elevate argenti in a sunday huohuo tingyun team, havent seen playtests - would want to see jingliu as well but the team makes... a lot less sense atk overflow, cr overflow() dot = damage over time = a time that will never come
I unfortunately had to skip a lot of the lower ones due to the exact reasons mentioned, except Jade and Argenti on rerun. Yunli I found more fun than Jiaoqiu, the latter would've benefited me more due to Acheron. But Feixiao was after and I ended up going for Lingsha too (amazing pull for me there). Boothill I just never cared for due to me not liking any of the breakers really, but I grew to like him due to his actual skill ceiling but depending how it goes I will either go for Boothill or Yunli on their reruns. Argenti I went for on rerun because I just had no physical for anything and esp PF was ass due to it (I got Clara on Robin banner for the first time lol). I don't really use him outside of that mode but that is okay. Forr Jade I went all in E1S1 because she has everything I like in a character both story and design wise.
The fact that I have 2 of the units here (Boothill, Argenti) and I’m planning on getting one of the units (Black Swan). Can you tell I just pull for units I really like. lol
I keep forgetting Boothill is least owned (though I'd like to see these stats after Rappa's banner ends...poor girl) because he became one of my mains (the other being Jing Yuan) and I use him so much and he is so good, even without Ruan Mei (lost my 50/50 on her so I use Bronya and HMC). Is yhis an indicator I should put him in my support list? If he is least owned, then someone might want to try him...right?
Been playing since 1.2, somehow I have an e4 Bronya and a e3 yanqing as well as every other standard with eidolons but I don’t have a single copy of welt somehow, hope I can get him off standard one day
Boothill and argenti were probably the most scuffed units in terms of banner release. Even argentis rerun was right next to firefly's and jade was a better pickup than him due to being a woman and much stronger in pf. The future looks more bright for boothill than argenti tho? Since he's been much more prevelant in the past story quests/events. Plus he's actually the strongest dps in this video imo and I'll definitely pull him myself if he comes after Sunday.
lol I have Boothill, Argenti, Black Swan, Jade and Yunli… 😂😂😂 From now on I will deliberately pull more on husbandos banners. Got to support our boys. Happy owner of E2S1 Jiaoqiu, might E6 him on rerun.
I think its more that Boothill barely appeared in the story, was single target when most content favoured destruction at the time and people already knowing firefly was coming and how busted her kit was that screwed him. Honestly I actually didnt care about any Penacony character beside Robin before him so i did ended up getting him (i already had 240 tics saved up) and he has been great in recent content due to how much content is St favoured due to Feixiao. I guess also among rare Ruan mei skipper
As a rare owner of shenhe and Eula in genshin, being a mommy and decent screentime won’t save you from bad banner timing, low rerun windows so most ppl forgot, and a niche kit that most people won’t bother about (phys dps in an elemental game/cryo buffer that is hard to use at low cons and mogged by xilonen). Doesn’t help that community perception screwed them quite hard. Jade and Eula somehow got embroiled in slavery controversy from misreading and lack of comprehension. Shenhe has a design that is not everyone’s favourite, which applies to some of the sea rail units like argenti. Boothill I predict will have a surge in ownership when his next rerun comes around, due to husbands lovers gunning for his raw power
technically boothill is the "strongest" dps in the game having one of the highest damage ceilings of all goddamn. however him being single target balances him so they dont have to nerf the concept of break just to keep him down in the future. equivelant exchange and all
throwing my hat in the ring with my own personal thoughts on why argenti is so unowned: for several updates of the game, despite taking part in the story and having a few minor roles in penacony, he was voiceless the entire time in the english dub due to (i believe) a bug, so on top of just already coming out of nowhere in his initial appearance, his few recurring appearances just weren't voiced lmao. and on top of that, hoyo dropped the original VA with a (in my opinion) significantly less appealing voice direction (and it's also my own personal reason for not grabbing him on his rerun).
i dont really think being a male character is a downside in ownership. if i remember correctly jingyuan,blade and aventurine have pretty good ownership rate. also sunday might be in the same tier as them since he's one of the hyped characters on next update
Why do you love jade, she is a monster who manipulates people by their emotions and do everything (including slavery like what happened with aventurine) to achieve her goals
only characters i skipped in the video are boothill and argenti. i HEAVILY regret skipping boothill because I thought I was gonna get firefly instead but realized... I don't like her enough to pull for her and chasing the meta ain't worth it if you're gonna play with someone you don't even like lol. Argenti I always wanted but just comes at bad times, I like him but I wanted Huohuo and Jade more and couldn't afford to make my wallet weep on either occasions. Here's to hoping he reruns with someone I don't care for or already have lol. edit: if we're counting the end of the video, then... blade too lol. i hate edgy characters like 99.9% of the time and meta-wise he's not looking too hot so I don't think I'll ever be pulling him.
I started playing HSR mainly because of Boothill, I absolutely love his design and his personality. Got him to E1S1 as my first limited and even a guratentee that I used on for Argenti (we'll get to that later). He is so much fun imo and so easy to build, just stack as much BE with some speed and he will brute force his way to victory~! And I do not regret it in the slightest getting him, and I will always have him as my main DPS. Learning about his story made me love him even more and I'll definetly will be wishing on his Rerun, I really want him E6 one day. :D Argenti, whilst I am sad at the eng VA change, I still love his personality and that I can ship him with Boothill, the Argenthill/Gunsn'Roses ship is very funny and interesting for me and I like it xD Mine is E0S1 any not the best build currently, but with the new Scholar lost in Erudition relics I hope to make him better now. Pull who you want (and need, I pulled Lingsha as my first support) and who you like, and have fun while playing HSR people~!!!💖
Hoyoverse genuinely had zero respect for Bootill in 2.2. Doesn't help that tbey did nothing to market him to players, then making a new relic set exclusive to Fire elements
Kinda agree on most of the point but some thing to add I think. Booth like Jiaoqiu just had a bad timing In terms of lore, he was much more developed after his banner than before. Jade and surely soon Rappa just suffer from the Érudition syndrome honnestly. The community see them as PF restricted (when that's really not) and PF is 100% the mod the least interesting according to the overall opinion Argenti was release as a "nobody", he came from nowhere if you wasn't a really lore invest, have a very special style and another Érudition syndrome, PF our not well loved Yunli honnestly idk, surely just the mechanic and the facts that's too close of another kit ? And BS is just a too restricted char, you are a main Kafka ? Cool you pull her and are happy, 2 mommy for one team. But if you're not you will have very little chance of pulling her and the DoT archetype is surely the less appelling archetype + a archetype who only work with a not negligable invest (always KafkBS and a 5* buffer, yeah Pela/Asta work but let's be honest) . I'm honnestly surprise that the own rate is that "high" And in global all this char have suffer from one thing, timing, some from timing on lore like wtf Hoyo was thinking of release char and develop it after the banner is gone. And other from timing on other char, when a hype char is around all the other suffer that's a rule (surely why Rappa will not be bery own, Ting V2 and Sunday aaand 3.0 soon ooof, + her very special style like Argenti)
Boothill is a monster and he's way more fun than Firefly to me, queue the FF fanboys having a heart attack. He had a similar rough banner timing as Rappa and the constant FF favoritism by the devs making so much that specifically benefits her made him a hard sell but I like him way more than FF.
Those 5 are entirely get bad timing. You can clearly see that they push to promote char. They give two patch spoiler is the worst part for those 5 Boot boy / jade / agenti 2nd are get shut down by firefly Yunli is fexiao. Agenti 1st time is after raun mei which didn't get promoted but all fan bases agree how ridiculous she was. Black swan is from archeron and aventurine.
I would have had Jade... IF I DIDN'T LOSE MY 50/50 😂😂😢😢😅 I pulled her for 3 reasons. 1. We have the same name 2. I like whips/ canes. So naturally whip canes are ARESOME!! 3. I love IPC characters.
boothill was the least promoted 5 star. i dont think it has to do with him being a man. he only got one trailer, which most get two of. he also didnt have a designated relic set. the one made for him, they changed to cater only to firefly. they also put him out ONE banner before firefly, who does the same damage type. entirely bs
I think the issue with boothill's banner placement is not exactly that he is between waifu characters, bc hoyo rarely ever puts several male characters in a row, it's more than likely that they will have to be mixed up with women. Despite that, male characters usually manage to sell decently (like blade right before everyone's beloved kafka). It's more so that he's a break dps and we already knew from leaks that firefly is a break dps as well and she has a lot of things going for her - waifu with the pandering levels hsr hasn't seen yet before, destruction which is to say NOT single target, and the general hype bc of the story and lore. Now people admit that they both are different and good in their own ways but at the time boothill was doomposted bc he's also break. If one of them was a different archetype i doubt it would be such an issue
Part of it is also not just that they're waifus, but specifically some of the most anticipated characters from the Penacony patch.
Boothill didn’t do well because hoyo dropped him on us out of thin air. We had no prior knowledge of him as a character and he was suddenly drip marketed. Considering that people were heavily anticipating firefly, him suddenly showing up surprised, confused, and upset a lot of people. We had no prior engagement to him and another highly anticipated character was expected soon and that’s why he didn’t do well.
Boothill banner would have performed extremely well if they put him in the current patch, where we get to know him better. But it's a bit late to introduce another break DPS when Break meta is coming to an end.
Same for Jiaoqiu. His sells would have been so much higher if they put him after the Hoolay's quest.
Same can be said for Argenti or Luocha. Their banner aired after a short intro.
In the end, out of all Penacony's male characters, only Aventurine (and now Sunday) got their banner placement right. After that one pivotal quest.
Feels like the screenwriters team and marketing team don't communicate.
@@hdmaad you are absoultely right. I had a friend who hated Aventurine in the first part, no plans to pull. After 2.1 story they went all in for him. I feel some off these banners would have done better if they were moved around more. I feel Rappa will be in the same boat later on.
Another big reason why males don't sell as insanely as waifus is simply because Hoyo rarely ever releases them and when they do the ones who DO want him have already been hoarding jades that they can normally grab a copy without paying a single cent. Which gives the illusion of waifus sell better because Hoyo barely even tries with the males and that ends up giving Hoyo the false knowledge of "huh I guess guys don't sell".
argenthill on the thumbnail so based
Literally my first thought
rappa is gonna join her buddy boothill in ownership
I don't think Boothill will remain in that position for too long, considering his now improved screentime and some good teams going around (but kinda expensive in my opinion, most of them), maybe not a Ruan Mei holding rate but a bit more for sure.
Also, I'm surprised to see Ruan Mei above most perm units, I didn't expect a single lim character above perm ones. I guess she's just that good lol.
her kit just has something for any character you can use her with, tho now there are specific characters being released that is just better than what she does in that specific area
@@meliho27 Yeah, it's still surprising to me to see perm characters less owned than a lim unit lol not because she's that good but because she's... well, limited, perm units can come anytime you like them or not, so I expected them to be absolute top for that and only second to Ratio
Boothill best team is bronya(HMC if enemy imaginary), RM, sustain/pela. Could you elaborate on why it's expensive? If you're talking about his 'future'(iykyk) teams than yes, I agree. But he's a pretty flexible break unit with his independency from HMC
@izzme5204 Yes, I was thinking about the... "future", new things going around, sorry for the confusion!
It is legitimately shocking for me to see Ruan Mei so high. I get everyone pulling for her, but you'd think she'd be lower than standard banner characters just from F2P players/light spenders losing their 50/50s pulling for her and not being able to pick her up.
Lack of character marketing does play a huge part in why some characters don't get pulled as much. Even a male character like Aventurine got a lot of people to pull for him just like other popular waifu characters because he got multiple trailer appearances, a lot of story screentime, and the White Night music video directly references his story in Penacony story which once people found that out it boosted his popularity a lot. Not to mention that he's extremely viable in the game. If Hoyoverse gave more characters the amount of marketing like Aventurine, Acheron, Feixiao, or Firefly then more people would be inclined to pull for them but because Hoyoverse is selective on which characters they choose to go all out with the marketing it leads to many good characters to not get the attention they deserve unless they break the meta.
manifesting for sunday to get the same treatment
@@melopilled he already did. He was highly anticipated, he was the one that hoyo has been keeping in the basement for the longest out of any penacony characters. 2.2 was all about him and now 2.7 seems to be too.
@@melopilled Him being a Harmony unit is already a guarantee.
Yeah, but even Aventurine only has 40% ownership rate. DHIL, the best selling male character in HSR history only has 48% ownership rate (in 2.4, his ownership rate is 52% in 1.3). Data is taken from Tieba survey. There's no denying that male characters just sell less, even when Hoyo is pushing them.
@@exu7325it's easy to say that male chara sells less when there is thrice less.
Take Nihility characters for example. 10 chara, 8 females including 2 DPS vs 1 male support.
Aventurine ownership outsell Fuxuan (Preservation)
Jingyuan ownership outsell Jade (FuA erudition).
Dr Ratio ownership outsell Feixiao (Hunt FuA).
DHIL ownership outsell Jingliu (Destruction).
If you want to compare, at least, do it well.
Meta wise it does not help the Erudition 5* that Pure Fiction is seen as a "lesser" game mode than the other endgames due to accessible units like Himeko/Herta and to a lesser extent Clara/Serval being seen as good enough. Especially compared to their MoC counterparts.
That and getting 30k on a side in PF is not seen as badly as taking 5 cycles to complete one side of MoC. So someone getting an auto 40k would be underestimated.
People also just don't see it as serious plus MoC was first and more traditional
I mean with less investment you could reach the minimum requirement to get the max reward. I just got Himeko recently, and I understand on why people doesn't see limited Erudition in high regard. As long Himeko and Herta could clear PF easily I dont see any reason in pulling limited Erudition (Except Herta true form, I AM ALL IN) that are only good against huge numbers, especially so with the addition of AS. Since Destruction and Hunt can cover 2 end game more comfortably than Erudition.
I had the game not updated but I came back and updated just to pull boothill, and man wht a decision tht was. He single handed saved the combat for me. He is just so ridiculously fun to play
Same, I started playing again because of him. I swiped after I lost (e0s1) but I swear I would've quit if I couldn't get him. He genuinely saved my account and made me pull for Ruan mei just to make him better. Any expense to make boothill shine and ill take it 🫡 (Might sound a little crazy, but I was going insane with Blade being my only main dps in penacony)
ik its not a big majority of the fanbase, but its pretty funny seeing boothill have the lowest ownership rate when A LOTTT of people (me included) started playing just bc of him lol. i think his character drew a lot of ppl in but his banner placement kinda screwed him over with the existing fanbase. im sure that'll change when he reruns now that ppl are starting to recognize his value 🫡🫡
2.7, Sunday and Fugue does wonders for him
@@eithan2026 yup!! hes def coming back 2.7, their kits just synergize with him perfectly
Boothill is definition of a char "Everybody likes, but NOBODY HAS"
@@eithan2026 even just one of them will make him tier 0, probably. each one is a clear upgrade to his current best team
Came back JUST for him and got him e1s1 and when he reruns im COMING BACK FOR MORE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️🦅🦅🦅🦅💥💥💥💥💥💥
boothill was my first intentional e1s1 and is the only limited 5* I intend on e6-ing in the future😊
Having Yunli is truly great because she’s such a rock in everything you need her to do. What’s funnier is you can put her with Clara and now you have a team that refuses to budge.
The reason why a lot of people who watch you have ties to the yaoi fanbase is because the yaoi fanbase is simply huge.
Just like the doctor...
Another thing I'd like to add about Boothill is that his playstyle is rather difficult to learn, and his strengths besides big damage aren't something a casual player would see. You must gather badges correctly, make sure you use his ult delay and implant right, and not run out of SP. Not to mention that his Standoff is probably the biggest commitment in the game besides Yunli's ultimate.
I love him for that, but that's because I have the knowledge required to handle him.
Rappa suffers for similar problems with argenti and jade
Something i think less people talk about it is how each path was its drawbacks erudition sometimes focus too much in aoe , hunt focus too much in single target , destruction and nihility suffers from lack of supports , and the only thing that pushes some characters a bit forward its their own kit acheron don't need a support from dot , firefly don't need too lose too much hp or get hit , feixiao uses folllow up attacks characters and she can just slot a character that helps with the aoe
All of them are Erudition.
I dislike this bias to seeing Erudition as lacking.
I completely disagree with that. I have both Rappa and Jade at e0, Rappa is on another level. Rappa is good in all game modes, her enhanced basics deal 25 toughness in single target, no issues there, plus better sp economy for HMC, Lingsha, etc.
Jade is completely useless in a single target, she is a glorified Herta Eidolon, yet Herta doesn't need her.
well, i don't have argenti/jade but iirc they are both kinda useless outside of PF. i have rappa though, and even without ruan mei (i don't have her, so used asta) i got a 4-cycle for the 1-st half of MoC, and in AS she literally carried my run in the 2-nd half.
yes one could say that there are good buffs, but come on! off-element/against a bad enemy everybody will be worse! so it's pointless to say that a character not performing good against a non-matching enemy is bad. and against matching enemies she is good. i bet that with ruan mei and a good build (my rappa is kinda mid) it would be an easy 2-cycle at least.
she is much better than other erudition in MoC and AS, though one could argue that it's because of break archetype itself. and she definitely doesn't suffer even closely to argenti/jade.
@@QuackEasyit's good now cause it's shilled on her once summons drops no more break buffs or shill on MOC and PF
Man, Boothill is my favorite character in the game, kinda sad so many people skipped him
Doomposting would be worth exploring, as it really hurt the images and holding rates of newer characters, especially Jiaoqiu and Lingsha. A lot of people skipped them because the internet was loud from "aahh, he was nerfed to the ground" and "E6 Gallagher is better", while they are both very good. And of course poor Rappa is worth an analysis too
Doom posting affects hoyoverse games hard. People dead ass used to think kazhua would be a 5 star sucrose and skipped him due to it
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Can we also compare how much Hoyo gives screen time and trailers to their favourite female characters compared to the someone like Boothill or Argenti.
For example they pushed Firefly on to us in the story making her the “official girlfriend”. She got huge amount of screen time in multiple batches and so so much marketing. And even before all that we were already connected to Sam. With overpowered kit no wonder people pulled like crazy.
Argenti was just dropped there out of from nowhere for one simple storyline, Boothill too at the end of Penacony.
It’s sometimes frustrating when people compare how well male and female characters sell when the devs and marketing aren’t even trying to give them an even playing field.
Well designs characters with a proper role and connections to the story and good marketing sell. The fact that Hoyo (nearly always) reserves that for the ladies is just uninspired and outdated thinking.
Well, okay, but it goes both ways to some extent. The entirety of version 2.1 was primarily an Aventurine story. The main characters of the first Luofu Arc were primarily men -- Blade, Jing Yuan, Dan Heng. Boothill, despite not being on banner, got almost as much screentime as Rappa in 2.6. Meanwhile Jade is only a side character introduced at the end of Penacony; meanwhile Lingsha does essentially nothing in the Wardance arc compared to Yanqing, Moze, Jiaoqiu (and the female leads). And I could go on. Yes, there is undoubtedly some bias towards female characters in marketing and screentime but it's not really that one-sided. Certainly story relevance is not "nearly always" reserved for the ladies.
Im starting to see a pattern of limited physical characters dropping out of nowhere. Argenti, Boothill and most recently Yunli. Really seems like hoyo hates physical lol
The moment i read the first paragraph, I know exactly Firefly going to be brought up, while completely ignoring the whole Aventurine patch, and Xianzhou.
While screentime and marketing did have influence it s the kit in the end that become the main consideration.
I think this is a vicious circle. I think Hoyo markets female characters more because they know they tend to do better on banners (because, let's face it, a lot of the playerbase is straight men pulling for waifus), and thus getting the word out more is more likely to pull in more people and more money. This means that male characters get more neglected, which means they do worse, which pushes Hoyo farther into putting all their eggs in the basket of female characters, which pushes away players who'd be more interested in pulling male characters and so on and so on.
As MissEvieYT points out, it IS mostly a marketing thing, too. Male characters get a LOT of screentime in game and in the story (the only important female characters in the main 1.x Luofu story were "Yukong" and Kafka, and even Kafka didn't do that much), and there are a decent few female characters who get shafted storywise. The game itself is pretty equal opportunity in this way. It's the marketing that's not.
Hearing the bonk sound everytime Yunli gets hit and launching those damn heavy counters are just so satisfying imo
proud e2 boothill, e1 argenti, and e1 jade haver ⸜( ´ ꒳ ` )⸝ no acheron or feixiao on my account either, so i'm clearing all the endgame modes with those 3. i understand completely why these characters have the lowest ownership rate, but i don't really care about pulling for meta and just pull for the designs i like the most (boothill/argenti) and what kits i personally find the most fun (boothill/jade). not everyone shares the same sentiment but that's how i choose to enjoy the game
oh and i play love and deepspace! makes sense doesn't it?
I got Argenti instead of Jade , and i love to use him. Even in bad scenarios that is MOC or APO-Shadow ...... but well i see beauty in everything now :D
I have to say the Voiceactor changes hit me hard ..... but still Beauty is in everything :D
Really fun to Use and well his Eidolons are really good , exeption for E2 thats just trash :D
HAve a great day and ty for Reading may Idrila bless you
Yes. Losing the original VA was a huge hit for Argenti. The new one does his best but that wonderfully silly “shoujo male lead” energy was lost 😞.
But I still like him. Maybe after few years we’ll get used to the new serious Argenti.
i switched to jp so it's not an issue anymore
@@neanahidden I love him aswell still, cause beauty is in everything
All of his eidolons besides e1 are extremely underwhelming tho
@@sutkonos I have to say i think e3 and e4 are good for him , but yeah the investment after e1 is bad :D
have a nice day :D
You’re right. We Argenti fans love him a lot, a lot more than other characters
I have a big appreciation for boothill. I was really struggling on Sunday and my only main damage dealer was jingliu, so when I say bh’s animations and kit, I pulled and got him. He single-handedly carried me through the fight
Argenti is def my type of guy, but as someone who strictly pulls for meta, he wasn't an appealing choice. Besides Ruan Mei (and saving for Silver Wolf's rerun, I like her), there are 2 other reasons why I, and probably a few others, skipped him.
1. He was paired with Huohuo, who was also unfortunately positioned as the 3rd limited sustain. Many people, myself included, were content with 2 limited sustains and saw no value in pulling for a marginally better third one, especially with her having an SP neutral rotation. Since I didn't need Huohuo, who paired nicely with Argenti, Argenti was an easy skip as well.
2. Despite Argenti's big multipliers, he struggles in low enemy count MoCs due to not being able to recharge Ult anywhere near fast enough. His only good boss matchups are vs True Sting, himself (lol) and Aventurine, and well even with Aventurine giving him one guaranteed max Ult per cycle, his average performance was bottom of the pack. Sure, sustainless Argenti could still kick Aventurine's butt, but not many people were running sustainless Argenti for obvious reasons.
That being said, I still think he's a top tier DPS for Pure Fiction (second only to Jade imo), and I hope he gets the respect he deserves from the community for his niche. Great video as always!
1:53 It’s kind of ironic that being a man is one of the factors that a character isn’t popular when Sunday has the highest likes on twitter as of now 😂
But you’re right, as a proud husbando enjoyer hrs needs to double down on husbandos like blade, Sunday, and boothill.
theyve shown they can do really well with male characters IF ONLY THEY GAVE THEM ACTUAL TIME TO COOK. like jing yuan, aventurine hogged an entire patch and he is pretty well received and a lot have him for good reason, sunday would be the ultimate proving ground that men can sell better than women if they really tried and i hope thats the case. (even if fugue has to be sacrificed for it).
Tbf only certain men can rank atop the best, aventurine, Sunday , our general but yeah unless you dazzle the fanbase massively you're basically not going to sell well
I'm actually surprised that Yunli is so low. So what if she's an upgraded version of Clara? She's so broken bruh.
Yep, and people are starting to see her damage potential. Tbf she's really not beginner friendly coz of those counter timings, but holy sht the satisfaction of hitting those counters are immaculate
I wanted her because I'm a Clara main, and skipped her because, I'm a Clara main... Another reason is because I couldn't get behind her personality while her banner was up (she was bratty like early Yanqing, so pairing her with a Yanqing who has matured in the story just wasn't a good look imo). She was better in the 2.5 story, so that was when the regret started to set in for me.
@@ClaustroHobothe entire reason why I pull her is because of the interactive gameplay in the first place. No more braindead gameplay
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@@itsarches yeah the big think about Yunli is that she was just an annoying brat, which after Penacony which had interesting characters personality and lorewise was just uhhhhh
- filler/side character, out of nowhere with little screen times
- even if Hoyo added screen time to boost their appearance they are only in filler story (yet)
- unlucky banner position between most anticipated characters
it's not related to how strong or how meta they are. Those 2 Eruditions are trivialize PF, Yunli is versatile can cheese in both 3 end game modes and her parry dmg can compare with Acheron or Feixiao dmg, Boothill regularly 0c MoC even with low investment, BS is still the strongest DoT and DoT was the most versatile archtype that can tackle all 3 end games with ease.
Proud Boothill owner. Started playing the game for him and managed to pull him just before his banner left. He's the center of my account alongside Kafka, who i pulled in 2.5, so all characters i pull fall under "Will they help my Boothill team or DoT team?"
not my first 2 DPS (boothill and jade) characters being on the list 💀💀💀
boothill is a joy to play and i wouldn't exchange him for firefly even if the game paid me for it, he's so fun and satisfying while having insane numbers. jade is also a pleasure, excellent sub-DPS that whips PF stages to shreds and i was strongly undecided about who to pull between her and argenti for pure fiction so if i had the money to whale just a tiny bit, it'd be a trifecta of flopped yet beloved characters
It honestly feels like they if then want Erudition/PF-focused characters to be pulled they need to powercreep the game mode. As is right now it's still incredibly comfortable to clear it with a decently built Himeko and Herta - a standard banner 5-star and an E6-guaranteed 4-star - and a lot of main DPS units do good enough incidental splash damage anyway (Acheron can usually carry the side that Himeko and Herta aren't on for me, I'm sure FF, DHIL and Blade could too). I picked up Rappa because I think she's really cool, and while she's definitely stronger in PF she doesn't feel like much of an upgrade because Himeko and Herta carry so easily anyway.
It's the only game mode like that, too, you sort of need specialized limited units to really easily clear MoC and Apoc (not that it's NOT possible to clear with standard banner five stars, but you're going to have to really try hard, whereas in PF you can turn your brain off and let Himeko and Herta just carry).
i got yunli and as a clara main i love her and weirdly enough putting them in the same team as a duel dps comp is really good
Jade owner here. I love the character and already have A+ artifacts on her. I can see why she wasent picked up due to bad banner placement, and there will just be better teams in every mode outside of PF. I still dont regret her. I love her animations, and just how fun it is to follow up attack like 6 times in a row.
yes i love jade, good in pf and recent apoc shadow, also SU expansions is fun
3 of these characters are my most wanted characters in the entire game, being Jade, Boothill, and Yunli.
The only reason I didn't get Boothill and Yunli was because I both lost 50/50 and also because they were placed around characters I really wanted/needed. Ruan Mei and Firefly were both after Boothill, with Ruan Mei being my most wanted character at the time and Firefly being the character I started the game for. And for Yunli, Sparkle was one of my most wanted units at the time, and I also had to get Huohuo since I didn't have a limited sustain character.
The reason I didn't get Jade is both because of being after Firefly and Ruan Mei, but more importantly because I didn't realize how fun she was until after her banner had already ended.
All three of these characters, in my opinion, are the three most fun characters in the entire game. Boothill and Yunli both have really satisfying effects and animations, as well as playstyles that make me feel good at the game. And Jade does a billion follow-up attacks and has a ton of goofy and weird teams that she can run, which is always a bonus as opposed to other DPS/Sub-DPS characters who only have one or two teams, like Jingliu.
Considering Topaz has had two reruns now, one after Ratio and one after Feixiao, it would be interesting to see how much her ownership jumped on each one.
I remember wanting Argenti because i find him funny, but then his rerun was with Jade... I spended everything for Jade. And now that Argenti English VA was changed, imo it lost a lot of his charm so i don't regret a lot of this
For me, Yunli is perfect, and instead of putting her on stages where enemies have Physical weakness, I do the opposite. Since the mobs are not getting broken, she gets hit more which means higher attack frequency because of her counter mechanic. Another cool thing about Yunli is that she can be a sustain. With her sig LC, she can literally just take all the single attacks onto her and avoid her allies to get hit, and additionally, she can heal to sustain herself.
Lastly, since I don't bring her in stages where enemies have Physical weakness, you might think she is not dealing enough damage, but my Yunli has her E2. And yes, I love def reduction and that helps her a lot to bring them enemies down even if they're not weak to Physical type. I am currently using E0S1 Jiaoqiu, E1S0 Robin, and E6 S5 Resolution Pela with her, and the result is just magnificent. Yes, I even skipped Feixiao and my acc is still doing fine because of this team I have. I was even able to 0 cycle Hoolay so easily. Maybe it's because the cost is too high, but still this team is fun to play, and I believe they will carry me through the other end games coming in the future.
As someone who started playing HSR because of Boothill alone, I can say without a doubt, that his only selling points are: 1. Being a tall male - 2. Being a goofy aah cowboy with shark teeth and silly words- 3. His robo body and mysterious backstory. He had no ads but as of now he has become more and more relevant (and became my most favorite character ever). I believe he might get better sales during his rerun but yeah everyone probably already mentioned his placement next to a waifu who goes on dates with you in and out of game. I love Galaxy Rangers and besides Acheron, who isn't one at all that was just a cover-up identity, before Rappa, we basically didn't know who these guys are and they never were relevant at all. People just gladly skipped him for Firefly. Nobody knew how fun and stimulating Boothill's gameplay is.
In one of your videos you said that you need ideas for new videos, since it is hard to come up with them on your own. So here is one about that rumor, that has been out and aboutt lately - the New Path.
It is said, that the new Path - Remembrance - will be added to the game, and it will fully embrace the idea of playable characters adding summons to fight alongside them. And since this path is likely bound to the upcomming StarRail&Fate collab, this will surely a big nuke on the community, just like HTB was when he was added.
So, the main question - how do you expect this addition to affect current meta?
And here are some smaller questions, based around that:
1)How do you think, will summons work like they did before, where they just "exist there" and do their own stuff, or will it be like in that trashcan event and we will be able to actually control them?
2)It is said that this new kind of summons will also have their own, separate HP bars, and they can be attacked like any party member. So, how do you think, what will happen if summon dies - will the master have some sort of way to resummon them, or are they gone for good and should be looked for like all partymembers?
3)Personally, I am kinda curious in WHO will they be summoning. Like, is that some sort of made-up being like all summons before, or will they be like memories of actual people? The Paths name and oncomming collab suggest the second is propably true... This will also make Remembrance a bit unique - other paths already have 3 units who have summons, but all of them are kinda faceless - bunnies for lingsha, Numby for Topaz, the thunder-dude for Jing Yuan - they are either faceless or dont really have a human-like personality. But a path specifically about preserving memories AND about creating summons... should propably create summons from memories, memories about Heroes from times long past. From what I know about "Fate", this would fit really well into their enigma.
4)Okay, so their path is all about creating summons. But... What WILL those summons do? Will they all be Attacking enemies? Supporting allies? Defending? From what I expect, they might as well be like nihility and have crippling identity crisis - "Heal or kill?". Although personally, I like the idea of the Characters of Remembrance creating not "just" summons, but summons following some path. Again, if summons, like I personally expect, will be actual people, even if long gone, they, too, would have some sort of path they follow. So, that would make Remembrance work essentially like 2 characters. Though that makes them look a bit like existing paths, so I hope they find some way to make Remembrance really distinct from others.
Well, that pretty much summs up all my thoughts on this matter. I hope you will read this, and will not hesitate to copypaste this under every new video until i get a responce
Hope this was interesting)
As a big topaz enjoyer seeings her so low it kinda wild. I'm not sure how her rerun with lingsha would affect that either because...
Well there was a lot of doom posting about her getting power creept by moze, which was interesting to say the least
Even if you think this video is a bit mid because it's not theorem stuff, i i plenty enjoyed it !! I've just woke up and am in bed and this felt like just a really nice thing to watch oddly enough, all of your content is always so great
I have E1S0 Jade. My first AS clear is with Ratio×Jade team comp on 1st and ff on 2nd. After all that, i'm still clearing non pf content with her (she annihilates sunday) Definitely getting her sig lc on rerun.
After Herta and Sunday saving for the Yunli rerun, just need 3 more copies
Who who has Argenti and BH and 0 regrets:
Booty is a walking nuke. I used him and Blade as double DPS vs Hoolay and annihilated him off the face of Xianzhou. It's incredible how much damage he does while being flexible.
Even funnier because I didn't summon for meta I saw his stance and immediately summomed for him
Who else did you use with them? Ruan mei and gallagher?
I am one of those who not only owns and likes Jade, but I am also waiting for Argenti's and Boothill's reruns. Have been saving for them for a while.
The latest PF kicked my butt. meanwhile i beat both AS and MoC in 1 try. I'm still stuck at 11/12 due to no JQ for side 1 to battery Acheron.
I wonder how this has changed. I feel like rappa will probably be replacing swan for the #5 slot but maybe not, because at the end of the day break dps is still break dps.
nah rappa has been shown to be decently popular and I already know a few people, myself included, pulled because they skipped or missed out on boothill or firefly.
blackswan is tied to DoT, which... Yeah.
@@hedgehugs well that is just proved that Break DPS is still Break DPS, their dmg is just unreasonable with low investment. While they did fell off on higher investment compared to other DPS unit like Feixiao or Acheron, but cmon, how many percent of the playerbase are able to reach that breakthrough.
Day 1 player here and I have always loved Boothill cause his design was just flat out cool. His game play just got me even more excited cause it's unique and fun
But yeah I guess he's more cool than handsome and that just isn't enough for most of the girlies
proud e4 s1 Boothill haver, biiiiig dmg
It's still so crazy to me that Kafka has that low of an ownership rate. I would imagine it's part of why DOT hasn't gotten a lot of additional support too - they're selling future DOT units to people who own Kafka, but when that Kafka ownership rating is not good.... yikes. That kind of strategy seems to have worked better for the Acheron/Jiaoqiu duo since Acheron's ownership rate is much higher
I have argenti and yunli, absolutely no regrets, i like both
I got boothill in a random 10 pull, I was saving for ruan mei and FF. I got all of them, I basically used all of my luck.
I'm gonna give a different perspective on why some of these characters have low acquisition rates: market cannibalism
Boothill, Jade, and Yunli came out while the hype for Wuthering Waves and Zenless Zone Zero were still strong. WW and ZZZ barely attracted new gacha players. They just cannibalized the existing Hoyoverse market. After the hype of WW and ZZZ died down, we can see the playerbase move back to Star Rail/Genshin Impact.
Most people have a limited entertainment budget, and various entertainment competes for that limited budget.
putting boothill's entire ownership rate on the fact that i didn't mange to get him, would've been the most owned if i was luckier
2024 Player here.
1. Boothill. I got him and his LC. Will go for the E1 on his rerun. Appealed to me more than Firefly.
2. Jade. Got her for Pure Fiction/Swarm boss which is everywhere. Her E1 will work really well with Feixiao, so I'll go for that and her LC in the future.
3. Yunli. I went for her and lost 50/50 to Geppard. 😢
4. Argenti. I will never pull for someone who calls me his "Gallant friend" and then kills my entire team with an AOE. 😂
5. Black Swan. My brain is too small to understand how she works. 😅
Blade rerun he's coming home I know it :D
Boothill just had the worst banner placement I'm going to be so for real. Can't wait to grab him on his rerun, maybe I'll win the 50/50 this time.
I guess that changed with Rappa. Man, Galaxy Rangers had it rough...
i wonder if now sunday as the 5 star energy regen (kindof) can elevate argenti in a sunday huohuo tingyun team, havent seen playtests - would want to see jingliu as well but the team makes... a lot less sense atk overflow, cr overflow()
dot = damage over time = a time that will never come
I lost my 50/50 for Boothill, and I've been saving up for E2 S1 for whenever he gets a rerun
%80+ himeko ownership and I still havent got one yet...nearly playing for a year..Damn.
I unfortunately had to skip a lot of the lower ones due to the exact reasons mentioned, except Jade and Argenti on rerun. Yunli I found more fun than Jiaoqiu, the latter would've benefited me more due to Acheron. But Feixiao was after and I ended up going for Lingsha too (amazing pull for me there). Boothill I just never cared for due to me not liking any of the breakers really, but I grew to like him due to his actual skill ceiling but depending how it goes I will either go for Boothill or Yunli on their reruns.
Argenti I went for on rerun because I just had no physical for anything and esp PF was ass due to it (I got Clara on Robin banner for the first time lol). I don't really use him outside of that mode but that is okay. Forr Jade I went all in E1S1 because she has everything I like in a character both story and design wise.
The fact that I have 2 of the units here (Boothill, Argenti) and I’m planning on getting one of the units (Black Swan).
Can you tell I just pull for units I really like. lol
I keep forgetting Boothill is least owned (though I'd like to see these stats after Rappa's banner ends...poor girl) because he became one of my mains (the other being Jing Yuan) and I use him so much and he is so good, even without Ruan Mei (lost my 50/50 on her so I use Bronya and HMC). Is yhis an indicator I should put him in my support list? If he is least owned, then someone might want to try him...right?
I got e1 jade for blade and genuinely she's too good to waste with blade
What makes jade an auto PF win button but not the other Eurodition units of I may ask?
I need Hoyoverse to revive DOT, its literally one of my favorite play styles
Been playing since 1.2, somehow I have an e4 Bronya and a e3 yanqing as well as every other standard with eidolons but I don’t have a single copy of welt somehow, hope I can get him off standard one day
Boothill and argenti were probably the most scuffed units in terms of banner release. Even argentis rerun was right next to firefly's and jade was a better pickup than him due to being a woman and much stronger in pf.
The future looks more bright for boothill than argenti tho? Since he's been much more prevelant in the past story quests/events. Plus he's actually the strongest dps in this video imo and I'll definitely pull him myself if he comes after Sunday.
lol I have Boothill, Argenti, Black Swan, Jade and Yunli… 😂😂😂
From now on I will deliberately pull more on husbandos banners. Got to support our boys. Happy owner of E2S1 Jiaoqiu, might E6 him on rerun.
I think its more that Boothill barely appeared in the story, was single target when most content favoured destruction at the time and people already knowing firefly was coming and how busted her kit was that screwed him.
Honestly I actually didnt care about any Penacony character beside Robin before him so i did ended up getting him (i already had 240 tics saved up) and he has been great in recent content due to how much content is St favoured due to Feixiao. I guess also among rare Ruan mei skipper
As a rare owner of shenhe and Eula in genshin, being a mommy and decent screentime won’t save you from bad banner timing, low rerun windows so most ppl forgot, and a niche kit that most people won’t bother about (phys dps in an elemental game/cryo buffer that is hard to use at low cons and mogged by xilonen). Doesn’t help that community perception screwed them quite hard. Jade and Eula somehow got embroiled in slavery controversy from misreading and lack of comprehension. Shenhe has a design that is not everyone’s favourite, which applies to some of the sea rail units like argenti.
Boothill I predict will have a surge in ownership when his next rerun comes around, due to husbands lovers gunning for his raw power
technically boothill is the "strongest" dps in the game having one of the highest damage ceilings of all goddamn. however him being single target balances him so they dont have to nerf the concept of break just to keep him down in the future. equivelant exchange and all
With hp inflation and fugue release he will become way stronger than any other break dps
2:15 You forgot about the horny lesbians, there are A LOT
throwing my hat in the ring with my own personal thoughts on why argenti is so unowned: for several updates of the game, despite taking part in the story and having a few minor roles in penacony, he was voiceless the entire time in the english dub due to (i believe) a bug, so on top of just already coming out of nowhere in his initial appearance, his few recurring appearances just weren't voiced lmao. and on top of that, hoyo dropped the original VA with a (in my opinion) significantly less appealing voice direction (and it's also my own personal reason for not grabbing him on his rerun).
Me with Jade, Yunli and Rappa clearing everything
i dont really think being a male character is a downside in ownership. if i remember correctly jingyuan,blade and aventurine have pretty good ownership rate. also sunday might be in the same tier as them since he's one of the hyped characters on next update
meanwhile i rolled for jade & yunli's LCs for himeko & clara but not for them 🤣
I am a proud boothill haver
Boothill is one of my faves. How could I skip him?
Boothill literaly got one trailer, minimal screentime and no foreshadowing and got sandwiched between Firefly + Ruan Mei and Robin.
Why do you love jade, she is a monster who manipulates people by their emotions and do everything (including slavery like what happened with aventurine) to achieve her goals
Sadge I wanted Jade and Yunli but the timing for me was just unfortunate
i own BH, Jade and BS didn't knew BS was a least owned unit damn
only characters i skipped in the video are boothill and argenti.
i HEAVILY regret skipping boothill because I thought I was gonna get firefly instead but realized... I don't like her enough to pull for her and chasing the meta ain't worth it if you're gonna play with someone you don't even like lol.
Argenti I always wanted but just comes at bad times, I like him but I wanted Huohuo and Jade more and couldn't afford to make my wallet weep on either occasions. Here's to hoping he reruns with someone I don't care for or already have lol.
edit: if we're counting the end of the video, then... blade too lol. i hate edgy characters like 99.9% of the time and meta-wise he's not looking too hot so I don't think I'll ever be pulling him.
Boothill stocks will go up in 2.7
I started playing HSR mainly because of Boothill, I absolutely love his design and his personality.
Got him to E1S1 as my first limited and even a guratentee that I used on for Argenti (we'll get to that later).
He is so much fun imo and so easy to build, just stack as much BE with some speed and he will brute force his way to victory~! And I do not regret it in the slightest getting him, and I will always have him as my main DPS. Learning about his story made me love him even more and I'll definetly will be wishing on his Rerun, I really want him E6 one day. :D
Argenti, whilst I am sad at the eng VA change, I still love his personality and that I can ship him with Boothill,
the Argenthill/Gunsn'Roses ship is very funny and interesting for me and I like it xD
Mine is E0S1 any not the best build currently, but with the new Scholar lost in Erudition relics I hope to make him better now.
Pull who you want (and need, I pulled Lingsha as my first support) and who you like,
and have fun while playing HSR people~!!!💖
Me with my amazing jade and s1 boothill:😌
I pulled black swan to be a sup/dd for my acheron team 💀, shes pretty decent with a jaocock (no offence) sig
Rappa and Boothill suffer from Firefly. She is destruction and has the mass appeal.
How did you find the data on this
Hoyoverse genuinely had zero respect for Bootill in 2.2. Doesn't help that tbey did nothing to market him to players, then making a new relic set exclusive to Fire elements
Kinda agree on most of the point but some thing to add I think.
Booth like Jiaoqiu just had a bad timing In terms of lore, he was much more developed after his banner than before.
Jade and surely soon Rappa just suffer from the Érudition syndrome honnestly. The community see them as PF restricted (when that's really not) and PF is 100% the mod the least interesting according to the overall opinion
Argenti was release as a "nobody", he came from nowhere if you wasn't a really lore invest, have a very special style and another Érudition syndrome, PF our not well loved
Yunli honnestly idk, surely just the mechanic and the facts that's too close of another kit ?
And BS is just a too restricted char, you are a main Kafka ? Cool you pull her and are happy, 2 mommy for one team. But if you're not you will have very little chance of pulling her and the DoT archetype is surely the less appelling archetype + a archetype who only work with a not negligable invest (always KafkBS and a 5* buffer, yeah Pela/Asta work but let's be honest) . I'm honnestly surprise that the own rate is that "high"
And in global all this char have suffer from one thing, timing, some from timing on lore like wtf Hoyo was thinking of release char and develop it after the banner is gone. And other from timing on other char, when a hype char is around all the other suffer that's a rule (surely why Rappa will not be bery own, Ting V2 and Sunday aaand 3.0 soon ooof, + her very special style like Argenti)
Based outro
Boothill is a monster and he's way more fun than Firefly to me, queue the FF fanboys having a heart attack. He had a similar rough banner timing as Rappa and the constant FF favoritism by the devs making so much that specifically benefits her made him a hard sell but I like him way more than FF.
unrelated to the content of the video, but whatever effect you used for the background gameplay of this video makes me dizzy.
Those 5 are entirely get bad timing. You can clearly see that they push to promote char.
They give two patch spoiler is the worst part for those 5
Boot boy / jade / agenti 2nd are get shut down by firefly
Yunli is fexiao.
Agenti 1st time is after raun mei which didn't get promoted but all fan bases agree how ridiculous she was.
Black swan is from archeron and aventurine.
so this is based on a chart from 2.4 ig only swan isn't accurate anymore
now almost the end of 2.x patch and boothill is actually better than firefly. and now rappa is also better than firefly lol
Anytime I want to get Argenti he comes at the wrong time for me
I would have had Jade... IF I DIDN'T LOSE MY 50/50 😂😂😢😢😅
I pulled her for 3 reasons.
1. We have the same name
2. I like whips/ canes. So naturally whip canes are ARESOME!!
3. I love IPC characters.
boothill was the least promoted 5 star. i dont think it has to do with him being a man. he only got one trailer, which most get two of. he also didnt have a designated relic set. the one made for him, they changed to cater only to firefly. they also put him out ONE banner before firefly, who does the same damage type. entirely bs