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Curious how the arguments for Reruns being "good" stack up against the other option of characters just... not being limited by time & FOMO. Permanently available always forever. Like in nearly every other video game to ever exist.

Skipping Aventurine and Sunday are my only regrets. But in my defence, I had taken like a 6 month+ break from the game

3 support + hypercarry Aglea. So aggressive

Bingo reruns flop esp Acheron and aventurine

Pulled Dan Heng last rerun, have not used him once, but I finally have Dan Heng

4:24 Jing Yuan is better in every endgame tho? 😭

At this stage HSR Seele is a Standart character.

I think the best way they can change silverwolf is to make her skill hypercharge the effects of an element instrad of making a weakness break. Bassically make a specific element the enemies already weak to more damaging to them, like increasing the dmg% ratio they take from that element, or even more damage to the break bar from that element after her skill is used.

I definitely feel the powercreep despite being day 1 player. I was able to 4 cost 0 cycle Kafka moc 12 (when Feixiao released). Now my clear time slowed a lot. Before i pulled e2 Therta, I cleared moc with 8 cycles. With Therta it's 4 cycles. I understand, that both 8 and 4 cycles is a 3 star clear, but even endgame account isn't safe.

The Jingyuan vs Aglaea situation might not be that easy to compare, like I fully agree Aglaea does more dmg, and in MOC she is definitively better. But Jingyuan does more toughness dmg and is fully AOE, so he is on par or sometimes better than Aglaea in APOC and PF.

1:31 "Powercreep for sustains is almost non-existent" I audibly laughed at that, thank you. I died so many times against Hoolay and the DOT robot with Luocha and Fu Xuan, while it wasn't even close with Lingsha(I am talking about non break teams). The sustains even ignoring their dmg capabilities have actively experienced some powercreep. Fu is more safe than Luocha. Huohuo and Fu are probably the closest in sustain prowess but Fu suffers against debuffs and DOT. Aven's shields are better than Fu's dmg share especially against AOE attacks and similar in single target if you use the same attack combo as Fu(skill basic basic), while his 50% eff res is better than Fu's one time CC immunity on skill, while he's better than Huohuo against single target and in general keeping alive(I have died so many times on Robin with Huohuo that it's not even funny). Lingsha and Aven are also close but Lingsha can work better against debuffs with more agency with her Rabbit while 50% eff res is RNG.

The way i havent pulled for a sustain since huohuo i dont get the hype to pull sustains at all. Investing in harmonies goes further imo

something that saved me during that hard time between being a newbie and a veteran was finding out that you don't have to fulfill the moc 3* conditions in one run. you can do a slow and safe run where you clear with no deaths and more than 10 cycles. then you can do a fast and risky run to clear under 10 cycles but with a dead char or two. this still nets you all 3 stars

Imbibitor Lunae is one rerun I keep skipping and always will. You practically needed either Sparkle or an extremely well-built Hanya to use him, or I guess now Sunday would be best, but he fell off for real. There's just no reason for a player who doesn't already have him to pull. Ditto for Silver Wolf. I got Pela's E6 months and months ago, been using her even since before getting Acheron, and she's great. Not even just PF, MoC and AS have been heavily favoring AoE

Omg red velvet song mentioned🎉🎉🎉

People really need to stop parroting this "Silver Wolf is bad because modern DPSes ignore weaknesses themselves" nonsense. Seriously, if Firefly for example didn't have Fire weakness implant, who would you drop from your team to make room for SW? You're not dropping Ruan Mei because that drops your damage output by half, and you're not dropping your superbreak enabler either because that way you lose even more damage. If there's even a single trashmob in an MOC floor that isn't weak to the element of your break DPS, you're not making room for Silver Wolf on your team. You're playing a different team altogether. If a crit DPS is allowed to crit enemies that aren't weak to their element, why shouldn't break DPSes be allowed to break? Silver Wolf isn't bad because "DPSes do it themselves", Silver Wolf is bad because her kit, and Nihility supports as a whole, are underpowered.

Re runs also don’t work because of characters straight up being recycled kits now… the devs ran out of ideas. It’s not like you can enjoy a particular playstyle because a character that’s better will just be the same exact character with some slight differences at most… it’s essentially just a re-skin Yunli = Clara (which is fine because it’s a standard I guess)… Jiaoqiu is straight up Pela but is always better than SW… Feixiao is Dr Ratio powercreep, they have the same kit except she doesn’t need debuffs. Lingsha is Gallagher but also an erudition break dps which then means she has the same functionality as Rappa… which doesn’t help since there are now 4 5* break dps in the game now. Sunday is better at being Sparkle and Bronya… having the best of both worlds. Fugue is copy and pasted HTB and is missing a “enhanced” basic attack and ultimate for her kit… she literally just does nothing but stand there and use her skill a bit. RTB is just Sunday/Bronya/Sparkle… with true damage Aglaea is a summon lightning… like Jing Yuan… but at least she does speed stuff but it doesn’t change much They needed to release a whole new path but the path mechanic is just inherently worse action bar summons… Memosprites are inherently worse because they don’t share buffs unless the buffs are pre-battle which makes them mechanically worse in the same way healing and debuffs are inherently worse than shielding and buffing respectively. They needed to release a whole new path because they clearly ran out of ideas. The main dps path that got most ignored was Erudition for a while, but chances are they’re going to release more erudition before running out of ideas again and we’ll never see many hunt or destruction because those ideas were already run dry. And Remembrance is a path that can be any path so they’ll copy and paste previous kits with a remembrance logo attached.

JUSTICE FOR BLADE!

I reckon they should implement a shop like in HI3rd where you can farm currency to buy the oldest power crept units. That would avoid pointless reruns of units like Seele and Blade without removing access to them entirely. (Justice for my angry windy man)

I liked the Hoyoverse games theory tbh. While I didn't necessarily agree with everything, I did concur with the general sentiment that Genshin demanded a lot of time from you, even for an exploration focused game. You're entitled to your takes, because at the end of the day you're just a guy on the internet talking about stuff, not some messiah of gachas. So do what feels right to you lol. 🤷‍♂️

let's be honest here, blade is "the ugly" as well. At least SW had her glory time, Blade had about half a patch :D

in hsr by the time a dps gets a rerun theres a 90% chance in the meentime some new character dropped that completely eclipses them in any aspect making them the single worst pickup in existance

I pulled Jing Yuan because Aglaea didn't yet exist at the time - had Jing Yuan banner up with Sunday and he felt awesome so I said yeah! And now I've built him and used him and no way am I redoing all that for Aglaea. It's kinda like that, you don't know. I want Aventurine, for example, how would I know if anything good's coming soon to replace him?

Lmao the only rerun worth pulling for is that DDD LC, that shit has been locked away in their basement for over a year

7:41 Idk why I laughed at this part 😂 I've seen gimmicky PF runs where people use Boothill or Ratio but I've NEVER seen someone who actually uses Silver Wolf in PF 🫣

I got E1S1 Acheron on rerun and she aged like fine wine I seriously never swapped my team since November of last year

Right now im using fuli,aha,terminus and hooh hoping none of them gets powercrept 😊

I pulled Dan Heng IL and Aventurine on rerun over V2.6 (Because I don't have any Imaginary character)

Sustain PC is currently the least bad. The only powercrept one I'd argue is Luocha, and even he can carry you through the endgame if you pick your dps and supports right.

The way that i pull anyone in rerun feels like a bad choice, just like sparkle last rerun, i also like boothill playstyle but a rerun dps means their time has come, who knows maybe hoyo will release more boss units that auto lock their weakness all the time until you have to hit certain time. Rerun feels like scamming all the time, the only rerun i feel like it is not a scam yet is sustain rerun with aven and lingsha, but sadly not loucha.

After doing some testing with multiple teams, I can confirm that first side is cancer if you lack good Phys/Ice wave clear 🙃. Yunli actually kinda suffers because the boss moves fast enough to make the minions annoyingly tanky against her counterattacks. Doesn't help that dealing damage to it once weakness broken requires some good action order luck in minion placement. 😢 Inflated toughness bars also makes Super Break just not a great option unless your Boothill is cracked or your Rappa is decently fast. 2nd side is very trivial if you have a good Break team in Firefly/Rappa. Also, if you're a lunatic like me and build an Aglaea team in a day, she can decimate this boss pretty easily. Feixiao or DoT with Kafka does decently well too, and you could even make a case for Serval if you support her well enough.

I pulled Silver Wolf over Robin on the current banner. My reasoning is that Silver Wolf will likely take a very long time (a year or longer) to rerun, so if I want her I have to pick her up now. Robin, on the other hand, will likely rerun quite often and I’ll have plenty of chances to pick her up. That’s my general pulling strategy where I prioritize pulling older units that don’t rerun frequently. Since my main goal is to collect characters, I’m more interested in older characters than newer meta ones, and only care about the endgame giving me more jades for my pulls

I mean if you already have jingyuan you probably already pull his support too right? If not than it's your problem lmao I mean it his dedicated support if you didn't play him with his support than you play with your own risk (same case where some players pull for acheron but not for jq, then it's your problem that your acheron didn't meet her best performance) And if it that case no need to think about pulling aglaea in the first place because they are share the same team comp😂 Also i think being relateable it's not reliable anymore, wdym u didn't have any good *5 support in this day😅 it's your fault for only pull *5 dps not with their substitute support. Even you lose 50/50 in their support you should always prioritize them in the rerun and maybe wait for another substitute *5 support

There's another CC that stated that SW being bad for rerun potential isn't just her kit being trivialized but her rerun being basically done at the wrong time. And I actually agree with it. If she was rerun with Boothill's release in 2.2, consider: 1) def shred + res pen actually helps with break damage if people don't have Ruan Mei yet. And having 2 implanters will actually help Boothill do what he needs if paired with HMC. 2) Acheron being released a patch before Boothill will help people get the classic Pela+SW teamup. (Practically predatory if this happened if devs knew they're releasing Jiaoqiu, but they will get more sales from this. Fu Xuan seemed like her rerun with Booty just happened because she was up next and nothing else.)

ahhh yess rerun. The bait where I got my S1 SW, E1 Kafka and my E1 Sparkle... What a scam... I learned my lesson. Never pull for any rerun, wheter DPS or Support. Just pull the new shiny thing Hoyo shills. And you will grief/regret yourself less. Screw this greedy gacha "gaming" company.

You forgot the ugliest side of reruns: You can just straight-up NOT GET ONE Rest in piece Dr. Ratio, you were huge

i think reworking MoC into ZZZs DA would be a fantastic idea. add a 3rd stage, keep the full jades rewards intact at clearing 2 stages and add mild rewards for 3 stages. This allows for a 3rd stage to match weaknesses and st/blast/aoe which means there is a much lower chance for one of your dpses to be bricked because there are no good sides for them.

I'd like to add that concurrently topaz isnt even better than moze now bcs of the new eagle tech casuals: moze >= topaz > march and for high end investment, lmao shes the worst of the three, even her e1 (since they can all use her s1) is considered worse than those two High end: Moze + RMC/Tribbie (2 targets/bosses) >= March + Bronya/Sunday (3+ targets) >> Topaz Not to mention moze is better for ratio and march is versatile, topaz is rly just a comfort and if she's your fav pull

this is why robin keeps getting rerun shes the only unit ppl feel confident pulling on a rerun

I regret using 230 pulls on a rerun for Topaz E0S1. I thought that she'd be future proof for upcoming FUA characters (In my mind, I thought Screwllum would come out already). Only to be disappointed how bad she is and how you can easily replace her with March or Moze.

There are two kinds of people in the world, those with a loaded gun, and those who dig their own grave!

I pulled topaz e0s1 back during robins initial run because i had leftover pulls and enjoyed fua gameplay, she's now collecting dust while march carries around her lightcone because she's my favorite character, whoops! I'm tentatively looking forwards to see how theyll upgrade old units though, i got really lucky in early patches and pulled seele and silverwolf, but also never really built them since i didnt know what i was doing (didnt get super into character kits until around 1.3). Would be nice to be able to use them in actual content again even if its something really niche.

Eidolon aren't meant for balancing... their meant to bait whales

I definitely think the power creep of HSR was too quick, but I also don't hold it against them that it happened especially since they're already buffing old units. Even outside of gacha games, businesses constantly adapt their strategies to survive and grow. There’s nothing inherently wrong with a company making adjustments to improve its financial standing-every business does it, and it’s a fundamental part of staying afloat. Criticism is fine, but some people act like hoyo doing this is some unique evil ignores how all companies operate.

doesn't matter if they did it for money, it's still a good thing for the players

I think topaz' biggest strength over moze is her ability to move numby's mark whenever her turn comes around, while moze either needs *nine attacks* or the target dying. But god damn it hurts knowing an E2 4* can compete with my favourite character to play. She's still better with ratio though :3

I gave up on waifu gaming and doing meta only now, like castorice phaenon and Cyrene. What if my favs are like argenti and huohuo and aglaea, gotta pull so much to do mid results

As a player since week 1, I definitely fall into the middle camp. I've never taken a break from HSR, but I've also stuck to my ideals in terms of who i do and don't pull, so I feel the weight of power creep more than most. It would take a LOT to get me to pull a character who I dislike, and I 100% have been worse off for it, in terms of clearing. However, I'm also a player who builds everyone on my account. Meaning that when a powerhouse arrives that DOES align with my ideals, I can pull them and feel the immediate wave of power. This was what happened with The Herta. I already had Serval built, a unit who was historically very mid, because she was one of my first acquisitions and she was reliable in the early game of 1.0. So when I pulled The Herta and Rememblazer fell into my lap, the comp synergy was done. Thinking back on it, this same thing happened with the handing out of Dr. Ratio at the end of version 1, as well as Firefly and Breakdancer's tandem release in Penacony. So yeah, I'll hit a wall, then eventually a secret passage will take me to the other side, and then I'll hit a new wall in due time. Its a cycle. A cycle of hitting walls.

You know powercreep is bad when the next rerun Robin wont be a recommended pull

"Out of 5 people 3 must be powercrept. You are not one of them Jing Yuan"