Thats really rough to see, my sympathies to the owner. I did notice a couple of odd pitching during the flight, I wonder if it was linked to whatever the final failure was.
You have my sympathy, I know the feeling of losing a plane on it's first flight, although nothing as expensive as this one for me! It looked like a total loss of elevator control. Did it have dual servos or just one? Could have been a radio problem, I suppose, but I think those are fairly rare these days. Either way, a total bummer, it was a great looking airplane. Just remember, there are just 2 kinds of RC pilots... them that's crashed and them that's gonna crash! Hopefully this will be your last for a long time! Hang in there. Cheers, jc
Dang!..Bogus. Heinous. Most non triumphant, dude! But hey thanks for posting your spectacular maiden voyage and gnarly crash of a beautiful model! T'was magnificent!
Was the reason for the loss of control ever found? This crash was eerily similar to one I had about the same time: high speed impact into the middle of a grass runway. I finally traced the cause down to a mismatch of the frequency tables between receiver and transmitter after a firmware upgrade. There was no documentation showing a need for rebinding the receiver after the upgrade, but that was in fact necessary. It worked well without the rebind, as long as the radio frequency environment was not crowded. The crash happened at a busy fun-fly event.
That was a beautiful plane... I know it's no consolation but at least you have her last moments on video... It's a great hobby capable of horrible moments.
Unknow problem, maybe electomagnetic problem or something trully happen but not your electronic... You can notice a glitch at 2:57 when it seems to be affected...
Looks like a job for the RCFTSB. After sifting through the debris field, they should give us a definitive answer relatively quickly. It was a small accident after all.
That kind of reminds me of the F14 prototype that went in the same way from a massive hydraulic leak. Both the test pilots ejected safely but one of them almost landed in the fireball.
If you could only hear it, you find it hard to believe, that it is a beautiful model, sounds very realistic, flies well, and the way it maneuvers, imagine that the full-size version could do that. i hope you have a better engine for the next build.
Sorry for the loss! Just curious and I know it's a minor detail, but why did you keep the landing gear down during the flight rather than retracting it?
alot of people leave the gear down for the first flight...and just focus on getting comfortable with the low speed handling...because..You are gonna have to land the sucker! Going fast is easy. So anyways...I was just flying around slow...and evidently something went wrong!
I always retract my gears during a maiden flight for other reasons...emergency landing works better with the.gear up. The gear down always do more damage In this case it wouldn't make a difference..seems like the left elevator stop working. Sorry about your lost.
Sad to see, this was a huge loss. It seems the plane was already more than once behaving very strange nose down (see clearly at 2:26…2:29) and, especially while maidening, it would have been better to bring it in for inspection.
its inherent in the fuse/tail design. To quote the mfger ; "It has also been a challenge to get enough longitudinal strength into that long, thin fuselage at minimal weight penalty.". In other words, 'we crashed a few'. Stabs are housed in extended fuse tail booms which are prone to twisting given enough speed/force. If you can twist the empannage by manually forcing one stab up and the other down, thats a problem. The twist will be visible in the vertical fins. Reinforcement with addition of carbon cloth is not enough, it requires saturated composite honeycomb material. the whole tail area has to be very rigid....especially using 2 turbines. Test flights should be done at altitude, not include full throttle knife edge hi-G banking or speed passes until low speed characteristics are explored, he didn't even give himself room to throttle back, it went in full bore. Poor engineering and lack of common sense are a bad combination.
feel sorry , BUT these aircraft in the fullsize need computers to stabalise them constantly , for its said they look sleak but are not airodinamicly sound , they need constant trim to fly , just a little something to look into .
Sorry but that just sucks. That' was a awesome jet aircraft. Being of modest means myself, I can't imagine the feeling of losing such an expensive airplane as that. I've crashed a few mid budget airplanes too and the ride home from the flying field was excruciating as I pondered what I should or shouldn't have done. The best thing to do is get right back on the horse and put it behind you. Keep flying.
yep my powered glider went in after 10 seconds I had a brake and that did not work and elevator did not do anything until after it hit the ground , It is slickening
Elevator servos failed due to high loads placed upon them. Saw the same thing happen on two other jets. One crashed and the other landed with the assistance of flaps acting as elevators.
@@mjproebstle Not Mechanical. I can't think of what mechanical fault would effect both the elevators and ailerons. He also didn't back off the throttle. I suspect radio failure.
@@brianroberts5062 no the SU's when the flaps are down would lose elevator effectiveness when too slow. Tgats why they have flaperons. Says something about the builders skill. He did so well it even had the same problem as the full scale
@@krotchlickmeugh627 The SUs use the Flaperaons and the Slats via the FLCS. I have replicated that on my Aviation Jets Su35S (Thrust Vectored 14kg twin turbines as per the full size). And he was not flying slow. Unclear to me why it failed. I love the Sukois.
@@brianroberts5062 i love su's aswell and he most definitely was flying slow for a su model or full size even scaled up bruh what are you talking about.
Wonder if the flaps null the elevator out, This is common problem with HAWKS if you put the flaps down and have too much speed your elevator will get mushy and wont work.
It happen to me on an F18, but tested it very high. I deployed flaps and I lost elevator completely but I was able to regain control when I took flaps off.
This is how i got my infamous nickname at our local flying field! They called me stretch! I cold stretch a 3 foot airplane into a 200 foot skid mark. Oh well if you aren’t crashing you aren’t flying Too low ? Lol
@@supradma71 Not completely sure, but I had my flaps down...and evidently sometimes that can steal the airflow from the stabilators.... which would result in loss of control. So I'm thinking that must have been it.
@@chrissussek8814 that sucks Chris. Hopefully you get this thing replaced quickly. Seemed like an odd accident. Does the landing gear retract on these planes?
Looks like the flap settings was mixed in with 0 Elevator control, If you had time to put your flaps up I bet you would of been able to gain control... and before you say I don't know what I'm talking about you had no flaps set on take off :)
Very beginneresque flying with too advanced a plane. Just because you can fly around doesn't make you good. It doesn't even make you intermediate. This pilot didn't even know basic maneuvers and couldn't even level the plane or complete parallel flybys. This pilot is still in electric park zone territory, skill wise. That being said, this crash wasn't the fault of the pilot. What happened as the jet was coming in, something interfered with his signal and the jet went completely unresponsive. Gravity did the rest. You can tell by the fact there was no corrective movements of any kind, all the way to the dirt.
I do feel sorry for the owner of the plane, but WOW! That was spectacular.
Still awaiting the RC-NTSB report!
Loss of elevator control, unknown reason
Thats really rough to see, my sympathies to the owner. I did notice a couple of odd pitching during the flight, I wonder if it was linked to whatever the final failure was.
At least he was able to salvage the transmitter.
lol
You have my sympathy, I know the feeling of losing a plane on it's first flight, although nothing as expensive as this one for me! It looked like a total loss of elevator control. Did it have dual servos or just one? Could have been a radio problem, I suppose, but I think those are fairly rare these days. Either way, a total bummer, it was a great looking airplane. Just remember, there are just 2 kinds of RC pilots... them that's crashed and them that's gonna crash! Hopefully this will be your last for a long time! Hang in there.
Cheers,
jc
I lost a f4 phantom , painted up in Blue's Angles , elevator fail. It sucked at least I got a weekend of flying out of it.
That was a damn fine looking plane. It was doing great, up until the failure. Hope the failure can be engineered out for the next build!
Dang!..Bogus. Heinous. Most non triumphant, dude! But hey thanks for posting your spectacular maiden voyage and gnarly crash of a beautiful model! T'was magnificent!
i bet it was loss of radio signal, the only thing it did was stay on trajectory of the last servo inputs.
Was the reason for the loss of control ever found? This crash was eerily similar to one I had about the same time: high speed impact into the middle of a grass runway. I finally traced the cause down to a mismatch of the frequency tables between receiver and transmitter after a firmware upgrade. There was no documentation showing a need for rebinding the receiver after the upgrade, but that was in fact necessary. It worked well without the rebind, as long as the radio frequency environment was not crowded. The crash happened at a busy fun-fly event.
That was a beautiful plane...
I know it's no consolation but at least you have her last moments on video...
It's a great hobby capable of horrible moments.
Unknow problem, maybe electomagnetic problem or something trully happen but not your electronic... You can notice a glitch at 2:57 when it seems to be affected...
Looks like a job for the RCFTSB. After sifting through the debris field, they should give us a definitive answer relatively quickly. It was a small accident after all.
Meanwhile asthe pilot in the cockpit looses elevator control, he hears "WOOP WOOP PULL UP"!
"WOOP WOOP! TERRAIN!"
That kind of reminds me of the F14 prototype that went in the same way from a massive hydraulic leak. Both the test pilots ejected safely but one of them almost landed in the fireball.
If you could only hear it, you find it hard to believe, that it is a beautiful model, sounds very realistic, flies well, and the way it maneuvers, imagine that the full-size version could do that. i hope you have a better engine for the next build.
Damn that sucks! And all you can do it watch it happen when these sorts of things go wrong. Sorry! That was a beautiful bird!
more like frantically pull on the stick, see it do nothing, panic and be confused
Sorry for the loss! Just curious and I know it's a minor detail, but why did you keep the landing gear down during the flight rather than retracting it?
alot of people leave the gear down for the first flight...and just focus on getting comfortable with the low speed handling...because..You are gonna have to land the sucker! Going fast is easy. So anyways...I was just flying around slow...and evidently something went wrong!
@@chrissussek8814 Thanks for the reply, that makes sense.
I always retract my gears during a maiden flight for other reasons...emergency landing works better with the.gear up. The gear down always do more damage In this case it wouldn't make a difference..seems like the left elevator stop working. Sorry about your lost.
@@basimpsn yep gear up asap trim and set flaps. You can't trim an aircraft with the gear down. I learned from the best. Ali Machinchy.
@@sheeeene7 yes Ali Machinchy is one of the best....for me the gold finger Robbie lynch 😇
Should have brought a rake.
You lost both elevator servos? Were they through a Y cable?
Hearing the turbine spool down as it tumbled was cool
Indeed! Only thing missing was the fireball on impact!
Your landing approach was great. Just work on keeping the wings level and flare just a bit more and you’ll have it.
Sad to see, this was a huge loss. It seems the plane was already more than once behaving very strange nose down (see clearly at 2:26…2:29) and, especially while maidening, it would have been better to bring it in for inspection.
Looks like a Kingtech turbine. They run great.
Obviously.
Sounded stunning....
... on impact
its inherent in the fuse/tail design.
To quote the mfger ;
"It has also been a challenge to get enough longitudinal strength into that long, thin fuselage at minimal weight penalty.".
In other words, 'we crashed a few'.
Stabs are housed in extended fuse tail booms which are prone to twisting given enough speed/force.
If you can twist the empannage by manually forcing one stab up and the other down, thats a problem. The twist will be visible in the vertical fins. Reinforcement with addition of carbon cloth is not enough, it requires saturated composite honeycomb material. the whole tail area has to be very rigid....especially using 2 turbines.
Test flights should be done at altitude, not include full throttle knife edge hi-G banking or speed passes until low speed characteristics are explored, he didn't even give himself room to throttle back, it went in full bore.
Poor engineering and lack of common sense are a bad combination.
That was a cool sound when it crashed.
Good thing he left the gear down.
Was the nose down from engaging flaps?
I think that might need TWO bottles of super glue to fix....
And some duct tape.
Was the landing gear causing drag?
Why was the landing gear never retracted? For some reason, was the gear fixed?
What radio did it have?
Damn. That's hard. Hundreds of hours of painstaking work and thousands of dollars literally up in smoke.
feel sorry , BUT these aircraft in the fullsize need computers to stabalise them constantly , for its said they look sleak but are not airodinamicly sound , they need constant trim to fly , just a little something to look into .
Check your flaps at higher altitude.
Sorry but that just sucks. That' was a awesome jet aircraft. Being of modest means myself, I can't imagine the feeling of losing such an expensive airplane as that. I've crashed a few mid budget airplanes too and the ride home from the flying field was excruciating as I pondered what I should or shouldn't have done. The best thing to do is get right back on the horse and put it behind you. Keep flying.
My body went numb when I saw that, nothing else to say.
Sadly... a pilot die on the support. Unable to eject leave. The formation is really nice
Sorry for the guys loss, but I felt like I was glad it wasn’t an F-15.
Sorry for the loss. If you're not flying, you're not trying.
If you're not crashing you're not trashing.
what a bummer ,sorry for the loss :(
yep my powered glider went in after 10 seconds I had a brake and that did not work and elevator did not do anything until after it hit the ground , It is slickening
WTH Happened ?? Stuck elevator???
Always sad to see that kind of loss.
I didn't see the pilot eject, did he survive ??
did the pilot survive?
Elevator issue?
not sure that landing gear down was doing the plane any favors on aero, esp when speed picked up
Ouch that hurts , you have my sympathy
A very nice scale model and a very realistic scale crash scene...
Elevator servos failed due to high loads placed upon them. Saw the same thing happen on two other jets. One crashed and the other landed with the assistance of flaps acting as elevators.
What high loads? He was flying very gently.
@@tomsawyer9403 Yes he was however I'll stand by statement.
Looks like lost aileron control as well as didn't correct roll. Radio failure?
i would think a mechanical failure rather than radio
@@mjproebstle Not Mechanical. I can't think of what mechanical fault would effect both the elevators and ailerons. He also didn't back off the throttle. I suspect radio failure.
@@brianroberts5062 no the SU's when the flaps are down would lose elevator effectiveness when too slow. Tgats why they have flaperons.
Says something about the builders skill. He did so well it even had the same problem as the full scale
@@krotchlickmeugh627 The SUs use the Flaperaons and the Slats via the FLCS. I have replicated that on my Aviation Jets Su35S (Thrust Vectored 14kg twin turbines as per the full size). And he was not flying slow. Unclear to me why it failed. I love the Sukois.
@@brianroberts5062 i love su's aswell and he most definitely was flying slow for a su model or full size even scaled up bruh what are you talking about.
Sorry about your luck.... elevator wires may have been to close to thrust tube melted causing elevator short.......
Wonder if the flaps null the elevator out, This is common problem with HAWKS if you put the flaps down and have too much speed your elevator will get mushy and wont work.
Doesn't look like any controls were working, slight left bank as well.
@@XxmillerniaxX if NO CONTROL THAN HAS TO BE GARBAGE SPEKTRUM RADIO!!!
Oof. Looks like a communication failure or you lost a control surface somewhere.
That's a lot of debris....yikes. Not like just picking up a fuse and a battery and some servos...
That's the reason I operate a rc tank.
Well that sucks! The pilot didn't even have enough to to eject!........R.I.P. little dude!!!
Why don't they have a emergency parachute in the back?,press a button it shoots out of the tail and saves the plane?,isn't that possible surely it is
Did the pilot survive??😥
He reached the point where skills was required ...
The little pilot dude just wasn't happy with his life and flew it into the ground.
There went a couple of hundred bucks............
And the rest……
Now I didn’t see the pilot eject from the plane. Hopefully he’s okay
BEST LOOKING LIVERY IN THE HISTORY OF AVIATION
It all looks fine
Til 2:45
How does that happen??????
dang! hate to see that. what happened?
Don't know for sure! I had the flaps down, maybe the tailerons didn't have any airflow?
It happen to me on an F18, but tested it very high. I deployed flaps and I lost elevator completely but I was able to regain control when I took flaps off.
So cool! Make another one and do it again!
About to maiden my 5 foot long f16 80mm edf tomorrow, hopefully it wont end up like this
OUTSTANDING.. SPECTACULAR...
IS IT REPAIRABLE..... don't know a lot about planes
No
Perfectly fine landing. Minor cosmetic damage only
Did the pilot at least eject before the crash!
I’m reminded of the Sknyliv air show disaster.
.............. did he died????????
This is how i got my infamous nickname at our local flying field!
They called me stretch!
I cold stretch a 3 foot airplane into a 200 foot skid mark.
Oh well if you aren’t crashing you aren’t flying
Too low ?
Lol
Great video Rich!
What happened Chris?
@@supradma71 Not completely sure, but I had my flaps down...and evidently sometimes that can steal the airflow from the stabilators.... which would result in loss of control. So I'm thinking that must have been it.
@@chrissussek8814 that sucks Chris. Hopefully you get this thing replaced quickly. Seemed like an odd accident. Does the landing gear retract on these planes?
Looks like the flap settings was mixed in with 0 Elevator control, If you had time to put your flaps up I bet you would of been able to gain control... and before you say I don't know what I'm talking about you had no flaps set on take off :)
A lick of paint and a bit of a buff, she'll be as good as new!
Elevator flutter?
Pull up..pull up...terrain..terrain..pull up
That is well and truly fucked, I really hope you got sorted my friend, u mest have been devastated.
2:36
Bummer. Probably forgot his control setting were inverted lol
At least the landing wheels are still out
Very beginneresque flying with too advanced a plane. Just because you can fly around doesn't make you good. It doesn't even make you intermediate. This pilot didn't even know basic maneuvers and couldn't even level the plane or complete parallel flybys. This pilot is still in electric park zone territory, skill wise.
That being said, this crash wasn't the fault of the pilot. What happened as the jet was coming in, something interfered with his signal and the jet went completely unresponsive. Gravity did the rest. You can tell by the fact there was no corrective movements of any kind, all the way to the dirt.
Did anyone see a parachute?
"Scattered over a large debris field "
Jammed elevator?
These grass strips hurt my guts.
Think the camera person ducked miss the impact 😣
Yup. Nobody walked away from that'n.
Now that's what you call a 1 hit wonder.
Poor guy, 6 months down the tube.
Not sure whether to thumbs up or down. That was cool as hell, and sucked hard at the same time!
Just terrible. All that work. I really feel for the guy.
That would have been a perfect landing.... if the ground was 100ft lower.
OMG! That was spectacular! Nice crash, dude! Did the pilot eject in time? I didn’t see a chute!?
he ejected on time dont worry
I don't get why he came down so hard?
Good thing there were no passengers.
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