Maccabi ended up winning the game 70-66 in regulation. Due to Darüşşafaka having a point differential of −36 (where they conceded 36 more points than they scored) and Maccabi having a point differential of −42, Maccabi was knocked out (they both finished with identical 4-6 records). As for the Real Madrid situation, even though they lost the first game against Varese 80-82, they won the second game 82-63, meaning they won the two-legged aggregate 163-144.
SB Nation aww I wanted them to win and advance Also, as I’m writing this one more thing came to mind: in the euro league (champions league and Europa) for soccer away goals count as “more important”... do away baskets count as more important in the euro league of basketball?
As a maccabi fan I can confidently say that this was the weirdest game I've ever seen live. I was angry at my team for purposely bricking those free throws and not jacking up 3s but also lowkey wanted it to go to OT knowing it is a better chance to win by 11+. It was super weird, really didn't feel like I was watching a basketball game. Btw we won by 3 or 4 for those curious, I do remember that there was no OT though.
I almost did a double take when they said Maccabi. At the beginning when he said Euroleague, I thought "maaaaaybe they'll talk about Maccabi" but immediately dismissed that. כנראה שכן בסוף... חחח
When I was 9 I legitimately accidentally scored in my own basket, I just honestly forgot that we were going for the opposite hoop and when I got the ball I just went the wrong direction, and managed to miraculously sink a shot from just past the half court line. Fortunately for my team, the points didn't get added due to the fact it was a backcourt violation the second I had stepped over the midcourt line.
Because in europe we first take a look at the number of victory just like in the nba but, if the number of victory is tied we look at the point difference
spyOx yes, he is asking why tied games are going to OT if the classement is based on point differencial, but it’s going to OT bc the first thing we look at is the number of victory
Something similar happened in a soccer game. Barbados vs Grenada in the group stage of the 1994 Caribbean Cup. Barbados needed to win by 2 goals over Grenada to qualify for the finals on goal differential over Grenada, but with 7 minutes remaining, Barbados led by 2-1. Barbados scored an own goal to tie the game at 2-2 in order to bring the game into sudden death extra time. Grenada, realizing that they would qualify for the finals over Barbados regardless of whether they won or lost (by no more than one goal), then tried to score in both goals while Barbados defended both goals. At the end of regulation the game was tied, so they went into extra time where according to the tournament rules, the first goal scored counts for 2 and automatically ends the game. Barbados scored, sending them into the finals.
Except soccer operates on a completely different system. In soccer, there is no real winner; they only play a certain amount of regular season games that can actually end with ties and then they arbitrarily just decide who the "best team" is. In basketball, there's a playoff with best-of series to determine the real winner so point differential has no place in the sport.
Adam Incorrect. You cannot advance in soccer playoffs except with a win. You mean to say the Cup was playoff format, but you need to qualify via points (a la World Cup). Nevertheless the point format exists because non-international competitions have no playoff, and those consist of the majority of soccer games.
Everyone talking down on Point Differential Rule, but that rule is the only reason the USA won the Gold Medal in the 1955 Pan American games. Brazil, the USA and Argentina had beaten all other teams, but they beaten each other when they played each other. USA beat Brazil, Brazil beat Argentina and Argentina beat USA. Because of this, all three teams had the same win-loss ration at the end of the tournament so the winner of the gold medal was decided by point differential, and the team with the most points in favor was USA, with Argentina second (winning Silver) and Brazil third (winning Bronze).
In theory, it's a good idea, its meant to force a team getting spanked not to give up. Even if they can't win, they would still try hard to make the point differential as small as possible for the next game. In the in NBA if the point differential is too big, teams usually rest their starters... Basically, giving up. So yeah, in theory, it was a good it... but it has flaws lol
My favorite weird rule: In baseball, detaching a piece of equipment (your glove) and throwing it and having it hit a foul ball results in awarding the batter a triple. It used to award the batter ba home run.
Honestly, the change really doesn't make a difference. If you are in a position to stop a home run by hitting it with your glove, then the runner is likely already around first. Meanwhile, if you throw your glove at a ball where the runner wasn't last first, the hit wasn't going to be a home run anyways. I honestly cannot think of any situation where it would be beneficial to hit the ball out of mid air.
@@BlueSwede92 I know it's a year late, but nobody answered you so I will. Intentionally contacting a batted ball with detached equipment is only a three base award if said batted ball was fair at the time of contact. The ball is live and runners can advance further at their own risk. If the ball is foul, the call is simply foul ball. Relevant rule is 5.06(b)(4)(b & c).
I went to high school with him. I was not surprised to find out he became a pro basketball player. The guy lived with a basketball in his hands at all times.
Nowadays best-of-three or best-of-five formats are used in European competitions, but a few years ago there used to be two-legged playoffs decided on point difference, same as on football (soccer): Team A wins their home match by x points, then all they need to do to go through the next round is not to lose by a bigger margin. What they did to avoid the type of situations described in the video was to do away with overtime completely. Meaning, yes, we had final tied scores in basketball games.
It’s easier to fake an accidental tip-in on the wrong basket off of a purposefully missed free throw. The team down 1 could have fouled, and then acted like they were trying to get the rebound and “accidentally” tip the ball in, try to get it back and make a three. Then try to win by 11 in OT
jp3813 because he was probably trying to miss to get his team an offensive rebound and the ball has to touch the rim. If it doesn’t the other team automatically gets the ball
Good stuff. This is what TH-cam is for- fun, insightful videos like these. Concise, holds my attention, no long-winded intro narrative, minimalist production, good banter. 5/5.
I just watched a 6 minute long basketball video. I had no intention of watching a basketball video. I never watch basketball. It's 2 AM and it just popped up in my recommendations. I should go to bed.
So, just for information, because I saw many comments misunderstanding the system: the point differential is only the first tie-breaker for teams with the same W/L - record after the regular season (just like the NBA has tie-breakers for playoff seedings). It has nothing to do with being like soccer (note: many European Basketball fans don't particularly like soccer, because it chokes all other sports in terms of tv-rights and such things - that and soccer players being overpaid crybabies...). Anyway: ECA has since changed the rules, such that games going to overtime count as net +- 0 pt-dif for tie-breakers.
Reminiscent of the infamous Barbados-Grenada soccer game where Grenada wanted to take the game to extra time and Barbados didn't care who won as long as it DIDN'T go to extra time... so they were trying to score into either team's goal.
It seems like the more logical solution would be to only count the point spread at the end of regulation play for tiebreaking, thus removing any incentive to own goal. It also makes more sense, as it ensures that the spread is being measured over the same amount of gameplay time for each team.
A high pass that would go out of bounds, so your teammate has to tip it back towards you to keep it from going out, but it goes in your own net. Definitely a hard thing to execute but possible, I think.
I think overtime in all sports should count as +/-0 point differential. If you don't do that (or make it automatically +/-1), then you will always have these kinds of issues. After all, after regulation, you were up 0 points. A football team that wins by 5 did better than one that won by 7 in overtime.
Why aren't NBA coaches that smart. There are NBA coaches who still can't figure out to intentionally foul if you're up by three and time is running out.
Although NBA has some BS continuation rules, so the guy getting fouled can just toss the ball up in the air and get 3 FTs. Or make the 3 and get an and-1 (remember Larry Johnson?)
This isn't really true anymore, refs get more freedom to make a judgment call now. If the guy gets fouled at halfcourt (or anywhere) and tosses the ball in the air, they won't give a shooting foul like they sometimes used to. Same thing with the rip through rule
When i was 7 like 9ish yrs ago i was talking with my older brothers and was like guys y arent they fouling theyre up by 3 and r ok with the opponent scoring 2
I think Bill Veeck would be an interesting topic for one of these. Before baseball had a rule of permanent outfield walls, he was known to move temporary fencing depending on the opponent. He was also the guy to hire a little person for the advantage of a smaller strike zone. He also was first to integrate in American League and founded idea of ivy in wrigley...overal, just an interesting guy who loved bending the rules
The Knicks did it a few years ago in the NBA by accident, two guys trying to a defensive rebound knocked it away from each other, but I think there WAS a semi- intentional one back in the 70s or 80s... there was a coupel of seconds left, the Knicks were up by, say 6 (you know it is a long time ago, the Knicks were decent) The other team scored, and the fans counted down, and they guy they inbounded to just threw up about a 30 footer at his own basket before turning to trot off the court... but it went in, and caused an investigation - because IT AFFECTED THE SPREAD! The Knicks had been favored, and were going to cover. Not after that shot! Think is was... Monroe? He thought he shot after the buzzer, but it was before....
This also happend in a football game. Team number 1 needed to win against team number 2 in a game with 2 goals difference. In the 90th minute, Team number 1 was ahead by 1 goal. This was also the time were golden goal was still in use, but FIFA decided to count a golden goal as 2 goals. So team number 1 scored an own goal to go to extra time. Team number 2 knew what they were doing so they tried to make an own goal so that team number 1 would only win by 1 goal. Team number 1 split up and stood with 5 players at each goal defending them. Team number 2 couldn't score an own goal or a normal goal. In the overtime team number 1 scored the golden goal which counted for 2 and they went on in the tournament. This is a real story you can search it on TH-cam. (Sorry for bad English)
I was at this game. At the last inbound Maccabi was ahead by 2 points if I remember correctly. Maccabi was inbounding and the inbounder nodded towards their own basket, suggesting to Jordan Farmar that he should just run back and score on their own basket. Farmar looked at him like "dude....enough, this is BS". This certainly was the most boring yet interesting game of basketball I've been to.
SB: Secret Bomb. If the team was to score on itself a certain amount of times, it would automatically activate the bilderberg group’s secret Bomb. That’s why we have to hire good athletes. Keep asking questions
Idea for your next video: the strangest soccer match ever - Grenada vs Barbados, 1994 Caribbean Cup Two unusual rules were added to this tournament: 1. Every match had to have a winner, even group stage matches. If no team won in 90 minutes it would go to extra time and penalties. 2. The Golden Goal rule applied (if the match went to extra time, the first team to score would win immediately), BUT extra time goals counted for 2. Barbados needed to beat Grenada by 2 goals to advance, otherwise Grenada would advance. The match started with Barbados going 2 goals up, but then Grenada pulled one back. With only a few minutes left on the clock, the Barbados players realised they would get more time to keep playing if they took the game to extra time, and then if they got a Golden Goal, they would go through. They scored an own goal. Now Grenada needed to score a goal at either end before the 90 minutes were up to advance, since either a 1 goal win or loss would take them through. The last few minutes of the match Grenada were attacking both goals, while Barbados were defending both goals. In the end the Barbados plan worked: after hanging on to tie the game, they got their Golden Goal, advancing to the next round.
Maccabi Tel Aviv won 70-66 over Darüşşafaka Doğuş, which led to Maccabi Tel Aviv getting sent down to Eurocup, and playing in the 2015-16 Eurocup. Maccabi Tel Aviv went 2-4 in the 2015-16 Eurocup Group M with Russian teams UNIC, Nizhny Novgorod and Slovenian team Union Olimpija. And thus were eliminated from Eurocup as well. In the Top 16 Euroleague round, Darüşşafaka Doğuş were placed in a group with Fenerbahçe (Turkey), Lokomotiv Kuban (Russia), Panathinaikos (Greece), Crvena zvezda Telekom (Serbia), Anadolu Efes (Turkey), Unicaja (Spain) and Cedevita Junior (Croatia). Darüşşafaka Doğuş went 5-9 and didn't place in the top 4. Fenerbahçe, Lokomotiv Kuban, Panathinaikos and Crvena zvezda did. Ultimately, CSKA Moscow won the league over Fenerbahçe, with Lokomotiv Kuban beating Laboral Kutxa (Spain) in the 3rd place game. MVP: Nando de Colo (CSKA Moscow) Best Defender: Kyle Hines (CSKA Moscow) Rising Star: Alex Abrines (lol remember him, NBA fans) (FC Barcelona)
Why didn't Darussafaka not just try and win it by themselves? Why did they go with the theatrics of Maccabi who has a lot to lose if they lose or win by just below 11 pts?
If the Ds increased that point difference to more than one, the Ms would have a chance of tying it up and going overtime. A difference of one is difficult to tie, because only throws after fouls let you score one point. Otherwise it's two or three.
There is a RadioLab discussing a similar instance in the 2012 Olympics Women's Badminton tournament, wherein it turned out that it was advantageous to both teams to throw the match. Regardless of the outcome of the match, each team was going on to the next round; however the loser would play a much easier team with lower stats than the team that the winner would play. The result was that both teams were intentionally trying to throw the match and it became a surreal experience watching both sides trying to lose and to see which side would crack first and actually score.
This is so silly. If you're going to use score differential as a tie breaker, at least make it regulation time only first, so there's less motivation to do this kind of thing. You can still add the extra/over time differential as another tiebreaker, but it's less likely to matter.
this happened with the Philippines and Georgia game in the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament just about 30 minutes ago as I'm typing this. Georgia needed to win by 19+, but they're only up 2. Chris Newsome of Gilas Pilipinas is shooting the 2nd of his 2 free throws with 2.8 seconds left. He misses the 2nd free throw, then Goga Bitadze of Georgia and the Orlando Magic tried to tip in the missed free throw to send the game into overtime of hopes of trying to win by 19+. He missed the tip in with nobody guarding him.😂😂
Marcus Sikvayugak It's kind of similar to how they do it in soccer, in the Euroleague they prioritize wins first, then matchups, then point differential, then points scored, instead of how the NBA prioritizes wins first, then matchups, then division record, then conference record.
In a system where overtime is more advantageous than winning the winning team should be allowed to concede to a tie, either by having your scoring shot counted as less or by having your points reduced upon winning. (If you were allowed to force overtime without giving up points you could instead use that as an excuse to rack up an absurd point differential.) This would solve the own-goal issue and make it so that both teams should always be trying to make more points.
The best way to score intentionally but unintentionally is to have the whole team on it. Step 1. A player is elbowed in the head/face or knocked to the floor but his own teammate. It has to lot like an accident and not actually hurt them (the player). Step 2. The ball is passed to that player. Step 3. The player acts disorienting or bewildered and runs toward or immediately shoots in his own basket. Step 4. (This is the one that sells it) The rest of the team yells and screams at the player to stop or run the opposite direction. Therefore it looks like a player was accidentally hit, got confused and scored in his own basket.
This would never work. The ref would blow the whistle if the player went down and looked disoriented and the team had the ball on their side of court. You'd never get to no.2
Something similar almost happened a few years ago at an american football league in Italy. To be granted a playoff berth, Padova had to beat Vicenza by at least 5 points but Padova was leading by just 2 in the fourth quarter. Deep in their territory, they could have taken a safety to send the game into overtime. Thankfully they did the right thing driving the ball up the field and scoring a field goal to end the game. :)
A similar thing happen in High School football (not sure what teams), a team was up by 2 points, with seconds remaining, and needed to win by a TD to advance. The team conceive a safety to send the game to OT, and won the game with a TD in overtime.
Jack Caponi the real difference is the lost acceptance if your team loses in Euroleague vyou can't sleep all night while in the NBA most people get over it immediately that's why European Basketball is so evolved
@@giorgospolitis8921 that's a bunch of over emotional bs. Holding onto losses doesn't make you any better. If anything that just sounds like a lack of mental toughness.
Here’s an idea: Have yourself on one side of your net from a long range two pointer or three pointer distance, and a teammate on the other side of the net from a close/middle two pointer distance. Then pretend like your passing to your teammate when really your just shooting it in your own hoop. Maybe get some opponents to try to block out you and your teammate to have an excuse of throwing it high in the air instead of a chest level pass or a bounce pass.
A similar thing happened in the Carrebean Football Cup (Barbados vs Grenada). Imho a system that doesn’t make draws possible and uses overtime while also accounting differentials in some way is fundamentally broken exactly because of situations like these.
The point differential is only in the group stage so dont think its stupid, in the playoffs its the best of 5 games but in the group stage every team is playing every other team like in the NBA but when its a tie in the amount of games won and lost they look at point differential between the two teams that are tied in wins and loses and that is what happen in the video.
It has pros and cons, just like every other rule. Having point diferantial rule means that, even if the game is a blowout, the losing team still tries hard to score point to make the point diferential as little as possible, so the starters still play the whole game, and garbage time does not exists. That's a Pros, the Cons would be a situation like the one you see in this video. Not having point diferential rule means that there is such a thing as garbage time and starters getting benched (which is something a lot of sports media seem to complain about NBA coaches not putting their starters so the fans can watch them when the game is meaningless and all that). But, on the other side, you will never see a situation like this in an NBA playoff. So yeah, pros and cons.
those of you who dont know, euroleague changed the way how point differential works after this incident. they changed so that only regular time works in point differential, OT is not included. OT is only to determine the winner. so let say game went to OT and a team won by 7 pts, it counts as a win however point differential is still 0 . (which makes sense because they tied in regular time), and OT is only to determine a winner.
Mr. James Naismith would be rolling his ankles right now if that were possible, pondering how something so simple like a ball in a basket would ever become so illogical and difficult!?!
They are just going to leave us hanging like that?
Michael Jay - Value Investing Maccabi won by 4.U r welcome.
Downvoted for that reason. Video felt like a waste of time.
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which team is that the one with the yellow shirts or whatever
Macabi is in yellow
Wait, so what the hell happened? Did they figure out how to do it? Did they win or lose? You went on a side tangent and left me hangin'.
Our fault! Maccabi won by 4, which meant they lost the tiebreaker and were relegated. Hooray!
Maccabi ended up winning the game 70-66 in regulation. Due to Darüşşafaka having a point differential of −36 (where they conceded 36 more points than they scored) and Maccabi having a point differential of −42, Maccabi was knocked out (they both finished with identical 4-6 records).
As for the Real Madrid situation, even though they lost the first game against Varese 80-82, they won the second game 82-63, meaning they won the two-legged aggregate 163-144.
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SB Nation aww I wanted them to win and advance
Also, as I’m writing this one more thing came to mind: in the euro league (champions league and Europa) for soccer away goals count as “more important”... do away baskets count as more important in the euro league of basketball?
Bring back Jon Bois.
As a maccabi fan I can confidently say that this was the weirdest game I've ever seen live. I was angry at my team for purposely bricking those free throws and not jacking up 3s but also lowkey wanted it to go to OT knowing it is a better chance to win by 11+. It was super weird, really didn't feel like I was watching a basketball game.
Btw we won by 3 or 4 for those curious, I do remember that there was no OT though.
I almost did a double take when they said Maccabi. At the beginning when he said Euroleague, I thought "maaaaaybe they'll talk about Maccabi" but immediately dismissed that.
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זה היה משחק עצוב
אללה מכבי
Gavers23 זה היה ברור שהם עומדים לדבר על מכבי.. גורדן פארמר היה עם מדי מכבי בתמונה הראשית
Gavers23 ya same lol
"Euroleague"
"The israeli and Turkish teams"
Makes sense
Israeli doesn't but Turkey is between Asia and Europe.
Israel generally counts as European because they're not allowed into Asia.
@@NoLongerBreathedIn they are just Europeans. Polish and British mostly.
@@elhuuselhuus2521 I'm sorry, what?
@@elhuuselhuus2521 First of neither Israel or turkey is European. Second of all Isreali people are not British but Jewish
But can a dog be on the team?
Depends. Can it score?
Bruh, have you SEEN Air Bud?
+Taylor Craig lol
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@@taylordcraig He's OP🔥
"Basketball is about hoops, not math", that's how much they hate Jon Bois
Jon Bois proceeds to erase the 3-point line
Exactly
isnt jon bois one of the main guys at SB nation???
dave tucker It’s about buckets
Thats why you suck at basketball
When I was 9 I legitimately accidentally scored in my own basket, I just honestly forgot that we were going for the opposite hoop and when I got the ball I just went the wrong direction, and managed to miraculously sink a shot from just past the half court line. Fortunately for my team, the points didn't get added due to the fact it was a backcourt violation the second I had stepped over the midcourt line.
If tied records are settled on point differentials, why do tied games go into OT at all?
KaiGonGinn cuz dems da rulez
Because in europe we first take a look at the number of victory just like in the nba but, if the number of victory is tied we look at the point difference
Galann De Moor did you even read his comment?
spyOx yes, he is asking why tied games are going to OT if the classement is based on point differencial, but it’s going to OT bc the first thing we look at is the number of victory
KaiGonGinn there's no draws in basketball... no point system in standings... based on number of wins
I'm not much a sports guy, but I love this content!
Something similar happened in a soccer game. Barbados vs Grenada in the group stage of the 1994 Caribbean Cup. Barbados needed to win by 2 goals over Grenada to qualify for the finals on goal differential over Grenada, but with 7 minutes remaining, Barbados led by 2-1. Barbados scored an own goal to tie the game at 2-2 in order to bring the game into sudden death extra time. Grenada, realizing that they would qualify for the finals over Barbados regardless of whether they won or lost (by no more than one goal), then tried to score in both goals while Barbados defended both goals. At the end of regulation the game was tied, so they went into extra time where according to the tournament rules, the first goal scored counts for 2 and automatically ends the game. Barbados scored, sending them into the finals.
As a fellow bajan please give me this moment.
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Except soccer operates on a completely different system. In soccer, there is no real winner; they only play a certain amount of regular season games that can actually end with ties and then they arbitrarily just decide who the "best team" is. In basketball, there's a playoff with best-of series to determine the real winner so point differential has no place in the sport.
jyashin It was a playoff tournament
Adam Incorrect. You cannot advance in soccer playoffs except with a win. You mean to say the Cup was playoff format, but you need to qualify via points (a la World Cup). Nevertheless the point format exists because non-international competitions have no playoff, and those consist of the majority of soccer games.
jyashin Yes. I did mention in my original comment that it was the group stage of the tournament.
Overtime counts as zero point differential. Solves everything.
Yea but then winning doesn't even mattee
Point differential is only a tie breaker, so they would still have to win in overtime.
Or maybe just don't use a system that's meant for soccer...
Too many points in basketball for this to make sense.
Agree.
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Everyone talking down on Point Differential Rule, but that rule is the only reason the USA won the Gold Medal in the 1955 Pan American games. Brazil, the USA and Argentina had beaten all other teams, but they beaten each other when they played each other. USA beat Brazil, Brazil beat Argentina and Argentina beat USA. Because of this, all three teams had the same win-loss ration at the end of the tournament so the winner of the gold medal was decided by point differential, and the team with the most points in favor was USA, with Argentina second (winning Silver) and Brazil third (winning Bronze).
Kinda stupid to use a system for soccer tournaments in basketball tbh.
In theory, it's a good idea, its meant to force a team getting spanked not to give up. Even if they can't win, they would still try hard to make the point differential as small as possible for the next game.
In the in NBA if the point differential is too big, teams usually rest their starters... Basically, giving up.
So yeah, in theory, it was a good it... but it has flaws lol
It also helps eliminate garbage time basketball and makes blowout games still seem somewhat interesting.
it would work if they actually did it like in soccer... the game should only go to overtime if the teams are tied on aggregate
Thats actually how the FIBA championship for european clubs works
This was more like GD at the end of the season, not a direct head to head aggregate match.
My favorite weird rule: In baseball, detaching a piece of equipment (your glove) and throwing it and having it hit a foul ball results in awarding the batter a triple. It used to award the batter ba home run.
Honestly, the change really doesn't make a difference. If you are in a position to stop a home run by hitting it with your glove, then the runner is likely already around first. Meanwhile, if you throw your glove at a ball where the runner wasn't last first, the hit wasn't going to be a home run anyways.
I honestly cannot think of any situation where it would be beneficial to hit the ball out of mid air.
@@howardbaxter2514 to defend that exploded bird
But what if a player throws his glove and it hits a fair ball?
@@BlueSwede92 I know it's a year late, but nobody answered you so I will. Intentionally contacting a batted ball with detached equipment is only a three base award if said batted ball was fair at the time of contact. The ball is live and runners can advance further at their own risk.
If the ball is foul, the call is simply foul ball.
Relevant rule is 5.06(b)(4)(b & c).
1:54 Jordan Farmar, and he's the guy in the thumbnail too.
Seoul Ting on life I was gone ask that 😂😂
I went to high school with him. I was not surprised to find out he became a pro basketball player. The guy lived with a basketball in his hands at all times.
Trash Too
He’s my friend’s cousin lmao
njdss4 played in the lakers as well:)
Basketball is my favorite sport. I like the way they dribble up and down the court.
Mark Jones ok, that was epic
Nah that was pretty good
I like the way people steal comments
Just like I’m the king on the microphone, so is Dr.J and Moses Malone
This got reminiscing about 2k12
Nowadays best-of-three or best-of-five formats are used in European competitions, but a few years ago there used to be two-legged playoffs decided on point difference, same as on football (soccer): Team A wins their home match by x points, then all they need to do to go through the next round is not to lose by a bigger margin. What they did to avoid the type of situations described in the video was to do away with overtime completely. Meaning, yes, we had final tied scores in basketball games.
It’s easier to fake an accidental tip-in on the wrong basket off of a purposefully missed free throw.
The team down 1 could have fouled, and then acted like they were trying to get the rebound and “accidentally” tip the ball in, try to get it back and make a three. Then try to win by 11 in OT
Matt Schmitt that's actually pretty smart.
thats why most of the free throws were rimmed to prevent tip ins
Wendy Lipson I mean, Manu Ginnobili accidentally made a free throw once when he was trying to miss. Anything can happen
Why didn't Manu just airball the free throw?
jp3813 because he was probably trying to miss to get his team an offensive rebound and the ball has to touch the rim. If it doesn’t the other team automatically gets the ball
Good stuff. This is what TH-cam is for- fun, insightful videos like these. Concise, holds my attention, no long-winded intro narrative, minimalist production, good banter. 5/5.
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I just watched a 6 minute long basketball video.
I had no intention of watching a basketball video.
I never watch basketball.
It's 2 AM and it just popped up in my recommendations. I should go to bed.
Hope you went to bed since then
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Not like that c*nthole Steve
just 2 guys and we're having a good time, having a good time
Kofie Why? From Wimbledon to the astrodome
So, just for information, because I saw many comments misunderstanding the system: the point differential is only the first tie-breaker for teams with the same W/L - record after the regular season (just like the NBA has tie-breakers for playoff seedings). It has nothing to do with being like soccer (note: many European Basketball fans don't particularly like soccer, because it chokes all other sports in terms of tv-rights and such things - that and soccer players being overpaid crybabies...).
Anyway: ECA has since changed the rules, such that games going to overtime count as net +- 0 pt-dif for tie-breakers.
Reminiscent of the infamous Barbados-Grenada soccer game where Grenada wanted to take the game to extra time and Barbados didn't care who won as long as it DIDN'T go to extra time... so they were trying to score into either team's goal.
You should have analyzed the Varese-Real Madrid game, January 18, 1962. RM coach, Ferrandiz, was a true genius
It seems like the more logical solution would be to only count the point spread at the end of regulation play for tiebreaking, thus removing any incentive to own goal. It also makes more sense, as it ensures that the spread is being measured over the same amount of gameplay time for each team.
A high pass that would go out of bounds, so your teammate has to tip it back towards you to keep it from going out, but it goes in your own net. Definitely a hard thing to execute but possible, I think.
I think either this or a terrible game of hot potato. Honestly if they scored your way I say they deserve to let it slide.
Weird Rules is one of the best things on TH-cam and I need more. I NEED MORE.
HOW DID THE GAME END?!?!!! You guys are killing me.
I think overtime in all sports should count as +/-0 point differential. If you don't do that (or make it automatically +/-1), then you will always have these kinds of issues.
After all, after regulation, you were up 0 points. A football team that wins by 5 did better than one that won by 7 in overtime.
Why aren't NBA coaches that smart. There are NBA coaches who still can't figure out to intentionally foul if you're up by three and time is running out.
Although NBA has some BS continuation rules, so the guy getting fouled can just toss the ball up in the air and get 3 FTs. Or make the 3 and get an and-1 (remember Larry Johnson?)
This isn't really true anymore, refs get more freedom to make a judgment call now. If the guy gets fouled at halfcourt (or anywhere) and tosses the ball in the air, they won't give a shooting foul like they sometimes used to. Same thing with the rip through rule
Because if you send them to the line, they can intentionally miss the 2nd free throw for a follow-up field goal.
When i was 7 like 9ish yrs ago i was talking with my older brothers and was like guys y arent they fouling theyre up by 3 and r ok with the opponent scoring 2
@@jp3813 JP, the chances of that happening are so low. Much lower than just getting a 3 scored on you.
I think Bill Veeck would be an interesting topic for one of these. Before baseball had a rule of permanent outfield walls, he was known to move temporary fencing depending on the opponent. He was also the guy to hire a little person for the advantage of a smaller strike zone. He also was first to integrate in American League and founded idea of ivy in wrigley...overal, just an interesting guy who loved bending the rules
spoiler alert cliffhanger coming. I guess we could search up the game but that's work and it's my day off.
I think maccabi won by 4 in regular time so they ended up getting relegated
The Knicks did it a few years ago in the NBA by accident, two guys trying to a defensive rebound knocked it away from each other, but I think there WAS a semi- intentional one back in the 70s or 80s... there was a coupel of seconds left, the Knicks were up by, say 6 (you know it is a long time ago, the Knicks were decent) The other team scored, and the fans counted down, and they guy they inbounded to just threw up about a 30 footer at his own basket before turning to trot off the court... but it went in, and caused an investigation - because IT AFFECTED THE SPREAD! The Knicks had been favored, and were going to cover. Not after that shot! Think is was... Monroe? He thought he shot after the buzzer, but it was before....
What weird rule did Jon Bois violate that caused him to be suspended from this channel forever?
twitter.com/jon_bois/status/1008411012524060673?lang=en
I think he's still in fire jail
That's Jon on the right he just got a tan and is in witness protection.
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This also happend in a football game. Team number 1 needed to win against team number 2 in a game with 2 goals difference. In the 90th minute, Team number 1 was ahead by 1 goal. This was also the time were golden goal was still in use, but FIFA decided to count a golden goal as 2 goals. So team number 1 scored an own goal to go to extra time. Team number 2 knew what they were doing so they tried to make an own goal so that team number 1 would only win by 1 goal. Team number 1 split up and stood with 5 players at each goal defending them. Team number 2 couldn't score an own goal or a normal goal. In the overtime team number 1 scored the golden goal which counted for 2 and they went on in the tournament. This is a real story you can search it on TH-cam. (Sorry for bad English)
This Channel itself had made the video on it
This is where the previous SB Nation video on intentionally goaltending free throws would’ve been a good strategy
I’m just surprised that everyone on the court was so aware of that situation in the first place
I was like, “that guy looks like Jordan Farmer”
Patrick Dukemajian it is
The funniest part is at 5:32! "Oh, no! F***! Guess we're down by two!!!"
2:05 *Was that Jordan Farmar ?*
Golden Kingdom Yep
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Ya he’s Jewish so they put him in as a national player and not international because u can only have like 5 international players at the time
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NBA champion Jordan Farmar lol
"Basketball is about hooping, not math!". LOL. Loved that.
I was at this game. At the last inbound Maccabi was ahead by 2 points if I remember correctly. Maccabi was inbounding and the inbounder nodded towards their own basket, suggesting to Jordan Farmar that he should just run back and score on their own basket. Farmar looked at him like "dude....enough, this is BS".
This certainly was the most boring yet interesting game of basketball I've been to.
Should do the Sean Avery in the playoffs v NJ Devils screening the goaltender rule.
I like how they beep out some swear words but not others
Still the best show on youtube. Congrats.
SB: Secret Bomb. If the team was to score on itself a certain amount of times, it would automatically activate the bilderberg group’s secret Bomb. That’s why we have to hire good athletes. Keep asking questions
Idea for your next video: the strangest soccer match ever - Grenada vs Barbados, 1994 Caribbean Cup
Two unusual rules were added to this tournament:
1. Every match had to have a winner, even group stage matches. If no team won in 90 minutes it would go to extra time and penalties.
2. The Golden Goal rule applied (if the match went to extra time, the first team to score would win immediately), BUT extra time goals counted for 2.
Barbados needed to beat Grenada by 2 goals to advance, otherwise Grenada would advance. The match started with Barbados going 2 goals up, but then Grenada pulled one back. With only a few minutes left on the clock, the Barbados players realised they would get more time to keep playing if they took the game to extra time, and then if they got a Golden Goal, they would go through. They scored an own goal. Now Grenada needed to score a goal at either end before the 90 minutes were up to advance, since either a 1 goal win or loss would take them through. The last few minutes of the match Grenada were attacking both goals, while Barbados were defending both goals.
In the end the Barbados plan worked: after hanging on to tie the game, they got their Golden Goal, advancing to the next round.
Tf? Is this how yall really made the video? Why didn't you tell us how it ended.
Maccabi Tel Aviv won 70-66 over Darüşşafaka Doğuş, which led to Maccabi Tel Aviv getting sent down to Eurocup, and playing in the 2015-16 Eurocup.
Maccabi Tel Aviv went 2-4 in the 2015-16 Eurocup Group M with Russian teams UNIC, Nizhny Novgorod and Slovenian team Union Olimpija. And thus were eliminated from Eurocup as well.
In the Top 16 Euroleague round, Darüşşafaka Doğuş were placed in a group with Fenerbahçe (Turkey), Lokomotiv Kuban (Russia), Panathinaikos (Greece), Crvena zvezda Telekom (Serbia), Anadolu Efes (Turkey), Unicaja (Spain) and Cedevita Junior (Croatia).
Darüşşafaka Doğuş went 5-9 and didn't place in the top 4.
Fenerbahçe, Lokomotiv Kuban, Panathinaikos and Crvena zvezda did.
Ultimately, CSKA Moscow won the league over Fenerbahçe, with Lokomotiv Kuban beating Laboral Kutxa (Spain) in the 3rd place game.
MVP: Nando de Colo (CSKA Moscow) Best Defender: Kyle Hines (CSKA Moscow) Rising Star: Alex Abrines (lol remember him, NBA fans) (FC Barcelona)
This channel has made me love basketball
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These really unique scenarios in sports are super cool. Great Video.
Also the breakdown and strategy involved is explained well.
Why didn't Darussafaka not just try and win it by themselves?
Why did they go with the theatrics of Maccabi who has a lot to lose if they lose or win by just below 11 pts?
If the Ds increased that point difference to more than one, the Ms would have a chance of tying it up and going overtime. A difference of one is difficult to tie, because only throws after fouls let you score one point. Otherwise it's two or three.
There is a RadioLab discussing a similar instance in the 2012 Olympics Women's Badminton tournament, wherein it turned out that it was advantageous to both teams to throw the match. Regardless of the outcome of the match, each team was going on to the next round; however the loser would play a much easier team with lower stats than the team that the winner would play. The result was that both teams were intentionally trying to throw the match and it became a surreal experience watching both sides trying to lose and to see which side would crack first and actually score.
What if they shot on their own basket and had someone goal tend for them would that still count?
Oh my, you psycho bastard
I don't know if someone already said this but anyways: Omer Asik, goes up for a defensive rebound and he scores an own basket. you can search it on yt
yes,but the turkish team did not even bother shooting,so...
Was that Jordan Farmar shooting them FTs?
yes, but those misses were not intentional -- he's just trash
This is so silly. If you're going to use score differential as a tie breaker, at least make it regulation time only first, so there's less motivation to do this kind of thing. You can still add the extra/over time differential as another tiebreaker, but it's less likely to matter.
Which is why you don't use point or goal differential as a tiebreaker.
EDIT:Also make any OT win count as a 1 point win.
@Cristofer Wolz-Romberger I dont think it works well in basketball because of the amount of points in a game.
this happened with the Philippines and Georgia game in the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament just about 30 minutes ago as I'm typing this. Georgia needed to win by 19+, but they're only up 2. Chris Newsome of Gilas Pilipinas is shooting the 2nd of his 2 free throws with 2.8 seconds left. He misses the 2nd free throw, then Goga Bitadze of Georgia and the Orlando Magic tried to tip in the missed free throw to send the game into overtime of hopes of trying to win by 19+. He missed the tip in with nobody guarding him.😂😂
LOL who else is here after Gago Bitadze tried to shoot an own goal? 🤣
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"It's way easier to just score a bunch of points"
Names, the only 2 times it's ever happened in the history of basketball
Same case in the Philippines-Kazakhstan's 2014 Asian Games men's basketball game
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Yellow #1 is that jordan farmar?
Marcus Sikvayugak Yep
Josh Elias gosh. Never thought id see that from him. Euro league rules seems way different. This point system for the regular season seems awkward.
Marcus Sikvayugak It's kind of similar to how they do it in soccer, in the Euroleague they prioritize wins first, then matchups, then point differential, then points scored, instead of how the NBA prioritizes wins first, then matchups, then division record, then conference record.
Josh Elias thanks for the break down.
In a system where overtime is more advantageous than winning the winning team should be allowed to concede to a tie, either by having your scoring shot counted as less or by having your points reduced upon winning. (If you were allowed to force overtime without giving up points you could instead use that as an excuse to rack up an absurd point differential.) This would solve the own-goal issue and make it so that both teams should always be trying to make more points.
I remember that game, very sad...
The best way to score intentionally but unintentionally is to have the whole team on it.
Step 1. A player is elbowed in the head/face or knocked to the floor but his own teammate. It has to lot like an accident and not actually hurt them (the player).
Step 2. The ball is passed to that player.
Step 3. The player acts disorienting or bewildered and runs toward or immediately shoots in his own basket.
Step 4. (This is the one that sells it) The rest of the team yells and screams at the player to stop or run the opposite direction.
Therefore it looks like a player was accidentally hit, got confused and scored in his own basket.
This would never work. The ref would blow the whistle if the player went down and looked disoriented and the team had the ball on their side of court. You'd never get to no.2
@@andrewpersaud4144 Fair enough but Ive also seen referees not call blatant fouls.
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Something similar almost happened a few years ago at an american football league in Italy. To be granted a playoff berth, Padova had to beat Vicenza by at least 5 points but Padova was leading by just 2 in the fourth quarter. Deep in their territory, they could have taken a safety to send the game into overtime. Thankfully they did the right thing driving the ball up the field and scoring a field goal to end the game. :)
A similar thing happen in High School football (not sure what teams), a team was up by 2 points, with seconds remaining, and needed to win by a TD to advance. The team conceive a safety to send the game to OT, and won the game with a TD in overtime.
Talk about the time Kobe realised the ring was off just by shooting and missing his shots. That's one of the most insane stories I found online.
What?
@@robertli3600 Just re-read the original comment. Don’t ask him to write it again.
I want to see the end of this video play out in an NBA game or even a Division 1 college game sometime.
"Basketball is about hooping, not math". Basically the difference between NBA basketball and Euroleague. Much more fundamental/analytical based ball
Jack Caponi the real difference is the lost acceptance if your team loses in Euroleague vyou can't sleep all night while in the NBA most people get over it immediately that's why European Basketball is so evolved
What has that won them? Lmaoo
@@giorgospolitis8921 that's a bunch of over emotional bs. Holding onto losses doesn't make you any better. If anything that just sounds like a lack of mental toughness.
My thought on an “accidental” basket is just chuck it so hard into the rim on the other side it bounces all the way back to the other goal.
yeah, try to score a 3 into your own basket and make it look like an accident. (under 1 minute) GOOD LUCK!!!
it would only count for 2
That "accidental" basket would be hilarious if it happened for real 😂🤣😁
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Here’s an idea:
Have yourself on one side of your net from a long range two pointer or three pointer distance, and a teammate on the other side of the net from a close/middle two pointer distance. Then pretend like your passing to your teammate when really your just shooting it in your own hoop. Maybe get some opponents to try to block out you and your teammate to have an excuse of throwing it high in the air instead of a chest level pass or a bounce pass.
Yalla maccabi
A similar thing happened in the Carrebean Football Cup (Barbados vs Grenada). Imho a system that doesn’t make draws possible and uses overtime while also accounting differentials in some way is fundamentally broken exactly because of situations like these.
Hah, silly Euro-ball. 2003 Cav Ricky Davis tried to inbound and give himself a rebound for a triple-double. Traded soon after.
my man is listening so intently
Tell that to J.R Henny
The point differential is only in the group stage so dont think its stupid, in the playoffs its the best of 5 games but in the group stage every team is playing every other team like in the NBA but when its a tie in the amount of games won and lost they look at point differential between the two teams that are tied in wins and loses and that is what happen in the video.
I feel like the point differential is the root of all of these problems lmao
It has pros and cons, just like every other rule. Having point diferantial rule means that, even if the game is a blowout, the losing team still tries hard to score point to make the point diferential as little as possible, so the starters still play the whole game, and garbage time does not exists. That's a Pros, the Cons would be a situation like the one you see in this video. Not having point diferential rule means that there is such a thing as garbage time and starters getting benched (which is something a lot of sports media seem to complain about NBA coaches not putting their starters so the fans can watch them when the game is meaningless and all that). But, on the other side, you will never see a situation like this in an NBA playoff. So yeah, pros and cons.
those of you who dont know, euroleague changed the way how point differential works after this incident. they changed so that only regular time works in point differential, OT is not included. OT is only to determine the winner. so let say game went to OT and a team won by 7 pts, it counts as a win however point differential is still 0 . (which makes sense because they tied in regular time), and OT is only to determine a winner.
I would foul then when the team tries to brick you “accidentally” knock it in
LOL they should make a full length comedy film about this
In soccer when u score an own goal it’s called an auto goal lol
when you request a trade in 2k and your team won’t let you go
Why didn’t they just airball all their free throws? Or is there some dumb rule about not being able to do that too?
You have to hit the rim
“Be all like, what the hell!”… so true 😂
That's why point differential is the worst stat in sports.
I kinda get it in low score sports but in stuff like basketball it's really idiotic.
Having an overtime and judging on point differential can't really co-exsist. And overtime is obviously superior, because it means more sports.
I also hate that it's called "point DIFFERENTIAL". Just call it point difference or point margin. You aren't taking derivatives or using calculus.
stfu roblox boy
@@rmrmrm you made a Minecraft video
This is like One Outs for basketball.
Good old game theory!
i can just imagine someone tripping up the ball then suddenly going for a dunk in their own basket and going "oops".
I score on myself all the time.
If not mistaken, its also happened in PH vs Kazakhstan. FIBA Asia Cup? Unfortunately the rules already exist by then.
It's great how they made a rule specifically to stop you from making use of the bad tournament setup.
Mr. James Naismith would be rolling his ankles right now if that were possible, pondering how something so simple like a ball in a basket would ever become so illogical and difficult!?!