Another thing worth mentioning, since you are doing UV is to put IA VR Voltage Limit to 1.4, this way you avoid the cpu getting voltage spikes for safety
Good suggestion however the new microcode updates help avoid voltage spikes, which is why I waited to do this guide after they were released. You can get much better performance by disabling Intel Default Settings, expanding the power envelope and tweaking Bios manually, but it's definitely not something I would recommend.
I have both LGA1700 and AM5 motherboards, no CPU, but maybe after the 9800X3D is released I will go with a used R7-9700X, I will run that processor in 65W TDP configuration and use downflow air-cooler without heat-pipes, 65Watt TDP processor is easy to handle... As for why I have 2 motherboards without processors at the same time, this will talk about my life experience, which will be a long story. Anyway, I am good at cutting losses.
@@blackbirdpctech it has similar gaming performance compaird to 7800X3D after OC the DDR5-memory to 6400MT/sec, scatter-bencher's channel has a tweak tutorial.....
Ha ha … while I appreciate the shout out to someone else’s channel, I do have a full tweak guide together with extensive benchmarks for it in my recent 9700X video.
Good finally someone uses the Dark Hero board for this i have a kit for G.Skill 7800mhz but unfortunately Diablo 4 is very unstable with this kit since VOH launched i ended up swapping in the Corsair 96gb kit wish isnt nearly as fast.
Thanks ... my Core Ultra testing is going well ... made some interesting discoveries ... as usual the day one reviews all missed them ... and surprise, it's not as bad as the reviews would lead you to believe.
@@blackbirdpctech I'm stunned the sheeple would all come to the same conclusion and prematurely release findings. Looking forward to seeing what you've found!
Don’t get me wrong, I wish the performance in games was better, but there are important elements of the new architecture that will position Intel well for the future.
There is no question that your gpu is more important at higher resolutions and settings however, if you enable features like RT it can place a high load on your cpu, even at 4K … is interesting when you test games like F1, Cuberpunk, Black Myth, etc.
Something is broken in the latest Asus bios using Intel Extreme profile. Limited to 125 amps even though it says the 13900K should be limited to 400 amps. Doesn’t matter if I change that individual setting in bios or not it’s locked down. This makes for horrible performance.
That makes sense ... which makes it even worse that it's enabled by default. There is also an issue with Armory Crate killing performance of Intel chips ... they really need to get their act together.
When i turn on XMP or XMP Tweaked on my motherboard, my system is unstable and freezes/restarts. Is this unusual? I assumed XMP was generally stable out of the box. Perhaps I need to adjust the voltage? I have the 14900k, CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6400MHz CL36-48-48-104 1.35V and the ROG Strix Z790-A Gaming WiFi II motherboard.
You have high quality components so enabling XMP I should not be unstable with 2 dimms at 6400 MT/s. You might want to try just running one of the DIMMS to see if you have a bad stick of RAM.
Thank you for your video. I simply don’t get how Intel sells a chip that can’t perform as advertised and simply have to be tweaked to perform the right way and some chips like mine I can get Cinebench R23 pass the 35200 score using the Intel suggested profile. If I use the Performance profile simply gets a minimum increase on the score, maybe the quality of my chip is not good. I am currently using an MSI MPG Z790 14900K RTX4090 Corsair Vengeance DDR5 @6500 CL36 Any suggestions well appreciated…
The performance profile doesn't help your performance, as the name implies, it simply sets power and current limits. The one thing you could try that would deliver a meaningful increase in performance is faster RAM ... something like DDR5-7200 would boost your performance.
@@blackbirdpctechthank you for your comment. I would definitely look into it. I did some in deep tweak and set all performance cores to 56 ratio, and offset -0.080, adjusted my IA VR voltage limit to 1.450 as Vid Max, set my PL1 and PL2 to 253 and ICCMax to 400V and was able to obtain a higher score in Cinebech R23 up to 38500 and temperatures between 78 to 80 Max. Maybe Faster ram will help push my cpu to even higher scores.
How about turning off intel default profile and using gigabyte perf drive instead? What do you think about that as a more experienced guy than me? I didnt really find it performing better but maybe its better for cpu health?
Yes sorry, it has been tough to get my hands on all of the components … still waiting on CUDIMMS but making some progress. Looks like this was a paper launch based on availability of some higher-end components.
Finally someone knows what He's talkin about! Good videos! +1 Sub! I would ask for your advise real quick, qurrently running a 12400f in a b660 board, with a 4060ti and 16GB ddr4. In VR drifting, my CPU can't hold up on online servers. So i was thinking between 14600kf to put in my current setup with some undervolt and limited max power limit to like 150w, or going for the r7 9700x with new MB and RAM. Prices in my country are : 14600kf~ 244 USD, r7 9700x ~ 371 usd, r7 7800x3d ~ 530 usd. Sooner or later I want to upgrade my GPU and VR too, cause now im on rift CV1. 13700kf is also around 370 usd but i also need new MB and PSU for that.
I am a big fan of the 9700X, I think it’s highly underrated and is easy to tweak to achieve 7800X3D levels of performance in games (see my 9700X review).
No, take a look at my recent 9950X vs 14900K video to see the benchmarks ... you can boost the performance of the 14900K further however that would entail expanding the power envelope, which is not something I would now recommend doing given the recent stability issues.
@@shaolin95 I just got the 9950x, it's an absolutely incredible CPU. No instability issues whatsoever. intel has been really unstable from what I hear over the last couple of years
@ oh I’m just worried about the voltage spikes with the 2 cores boosting to 6ghz 1.5v seems absurd to shove into a chip just for 2 cores to achieve 6ghz
@@alexburke4569 as long as you are running the latest bios with microcode 0x12B then you don't have to worry about voltage spikes using the Intel default settings, whether that is performance or extreme power profiles.
What I don't really like from Intel is the CPU overclock feature only being able to handle in the Zx90 board while the Bx60M cannot. But in the market, I can find a wide range of options for Bx60 at a very good price, and the cheapest Zx90 price has already become the premium Bx60 series in my country. On the other hand, AMD allows their Bx50 series to OC the CPU. I will very much appreciate if their upcoming B860 for the 200 series supports the CPU overclock.
Is there a 'best' windows power profile setting for Ryzen CPUs? I've seen some stuff to unlock lots of different settings in the power profiles but never sure which is best. AM4 v AM5 v Intel...?
Great question ... as I'm sure you are aware, GameTurbo is not available to AMD Ryzen CPU owners in Windows, so I typically use the "High Performance" plan. It will usually not make a big difference if you use the Balanced plan, so I wouldn't worry too much.
You had me at “hello, I’m a rocket scientist”.
“Jerry Maguire” reference.
I love that movie ... welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community!
Ones of the best videos ive seen for overclocking, makes a lot more sense now!! Thank you and keep up the awesome videos🙌🏼
Glad you liked it!
Another thing worth mentioning, since you are doing UV is to put IA VR Voltage Limit to 1.4, this way you avoid the cpu getting voltage spikes for safety
Good suggestion however the new microcode updates help avoid voltage spikes, which is why I waited to do this guide after they were released. You can get much better performance by disabling Intel Default Settings, expanding the power envelope and tweaking Bios manually, but it's definitely not something I would recommend.
for power plan i do not have GameTurbo... could i use high performance instead?
GameTurbo is only an option for Intel systems ... high performance is fine for AMD systems.
@ yeah I saw you say that in another comment I have the intel 14900k so not sure while it’s there lol
Appreciate you taking the time to answer our questions by the way
That’s interesting … it might only be for Asus systems
I have both LGA1700 and AM5 motherboards, no CPU, but maybe after the 9800X3D is released I will go with a used R7-9700X, I will run that processor in 65W TDP configuration and use downflow air-cooler without heat-pipes, 65Watt TDP processor is easy to handle... As for why I have 2 motherboards without processors at the same time, this will talk about my life experience, which will be a long story. Anyway, I am good at cutting losses.
The 9700X is a great chip that tweaks well.
@@blackbirdpctech it has similar gaming performance compaird to 7800X3D after OC the DDR5-memory to 6400MT/sec, scatter-bencher's channel has a tweak tutorial.....
Ha ha … while I appreciate the shout out to someone else’s channel, I do have a full tweak guide together with extensive benchmarks for it in my recent 9700X video.
Good finally someone uses the Dark Hero board for this i have a kit for G.Skill 7800mhz but unfortunately Diablo 4 is very unstable with this kit since VOH launched i ended up swapping in the Corsair 96gb kit wish isnt nearly as fast.
Another good instructional guide! Way to go!
Thanks ... my Core Ultra testing is going well ... made some interesting discoveries ... as usual the day one reviews all missed them ... and surprise, it's not as bad as the reviews would lead you to believe.
@@blackbirdpctech I'm stunned the sheeple would all come to the same conclusion and prematurely release findings. Looking forward to seeing what you've found!
Don’t get me wrong, I wish the performance in games was better, but there are important elements of the new architecture that will position Intel well for the future.
@@blackbirdpctech I hear you. I just think we've hit the ceiling on single thread performance. Who the hell games in 1080p?
There is no question that your gpu is more important at higher resolutions and settings however, if you enable features like RT it can place a high load on your cpu, even at 4K … is interesting when you test games like F1, Cuberpunk, Black Myth, etc.
Something is broken in the latest Asus bios using Intel Extreme profile. Limited to 125 amps even though it says the 13900K should be limited to 400 amps. Doesn’t matter if I change that individual setting in bios or not it’s locked down. This makes for horrible performance.
That makes sense ... which makes it even worse that it's enabled by default. There is also an issue with Armory Crate killing performance of Intel chips ... they really need to get their act together.
When i turn on XMP or XMP Tweaked on my motherboard, my system is unstable and freezes/restarts. Is this unusual? I assumed XMP was generally stable out of the box. Perhaps I need to adjust the voltage? I have the 14900k, CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6400MHz CL36-48-48-104 1.35V and the ROG Strix Z790-A Gaming WiFi II motherboard.
You have high quality components so enabling XMP I should not be unstable with 2 dimms at 6400 MT/s. You might want to try just running one of the DIMMS to see if you have a bad stick of RAM.
Thank you for your video. I simply don’t get how Intel sells a chip that can’t perform as advertised and simply have to be tweaked to perform the right way and some chips like mine I can get Cinebench R23 pass the 35200 score using the Intel suggested profile.
If I use the Performance profile simply gets a minimum increase on the score, maybe the quality of my chip is not good.
I am currently using an MSI MPG Z790 14900K RTX4090 Corsair Vengeance DDR5 @6500 CL36
Any suggestions well appreciated…
The performance profile doesn't help your performance, as the name implies, it simply sets power and current limits. The one thing you could try that would deliver a meaningful increase in performance is faster RAM ... something like DDR5-7200 would boost your performance.
@@blackbirdpctechthank you for your comment. I would definitely look into it. I did some in deep tweak and set all performance cores to 56 ratio, and offset -0.080, adjusted my IA VR voltage limit to 1.450 as Vid Max, set my PL1 and PL2 to 253 and ICCMax to 400V and was able to obtain a higher score in Cinebech R23 up to 38500 and temperatures between 78 to 80 Max. Maybe Faster ram will help push my cpu to even higher scores.
How about turning off intel default profile and using gigabyte perf drive instead? What do you think about that as a more experienced guy than me? I didnt really find it performing better but maybe its better for cpu health?
I would recommend turning off Intel Default Settings after the recent stability issues … the motherboard OC boosts were part of the problem.
my intel program is greyed out to change the voltage so idk
Did you turn undervolt protection off in your bios?
Quality video!
Always appreciate your support!
i have an i9 14900k and a 4080super and im really not getting the performance i want from these components i hope this video helps
This should help you with your 14900K, for your 4080 Super you can take a look at this video:
th-cam.com/video/VLL2jUSxf_M/w-d-xo.html
Does this tweaks also apply for those who have the 13th gen (i7 13700k and i9 13900k)?
Yes, any Raptor Lake CPU.
@@blackbirdpctech ok thank you.
I am still waiting if you can fix performance of 285K. Your tweek guides make me believe if anyone can fix it for gaming its you.
Yes sorry, it has been tough to get my hands on all of the components … still waiting on CUDIMMS but making some progress. Looks like this was a paper launch based on availability of some higher-end components.
Finally someone knows what He's talkin about! Good videos! +1 Sub!
I would ask for your advise real quick, qurrently running a 12400f in a b660 board, with a 4060ti and 16GB ddr4. In VR drifting, my CPU can't hold up on online servers. So i was thinking between 14600kf to put in my current setup with some undervolt and limited max power limit to like 150w, or going for the r7 9700x with new MB and RAM.
Prices in my country are : 14600kf~ 244 USD, r7 9700x ~ 371 usd, r7 7800x3d ~ 530 usd. Sooner or later I want to upgrade my GPU and VR too, cause now im on rift CV1.
13700kf is also around 370 usd but i also need new MB and PSU for that.
I am a big fan of the 9700X, I think it’s highly underrated and is easy to tweak to achieve 7800X3D levels of performance in games (see my 9700X review).
Is it faster than the AMD 9950X with the tweaks?
No, take a look at my recent 9950X vs 14900K video to see the benchmarks ... you can boost the performance of the 14900K further however that would entail expanding the power envelope, which is not something I would now recommend doing given the recent stability issues.
@@shaolin95 I just got the 9950x, it's an absolutely incredible CPU. No instability issues whatsoever. intel has been really unstable from what I hear over the last couple of years
@@shaolin95 I use both platforms extensively and I haven't experienced any instability on either platform.
I just got a 14900k and Asrock z790 nova, would the intel specs be baseline performance in the bios?
Performance and Extreme profiles are selectable in Bios … I would test both options to see which one offers better performance
@ oh I’m just worried about the voltage spikes with the 2 cores boosting to 6ghz 1.5v seems absurd to shove into a chip just for 2 cores to achieve 6ghz
@@alexburke4569 as long as you are running the latest bios with microcode 0x12B then you don't have to worry about voltage spikes using the Intel default settings, whether that is performance or extreme power profiles.
@@blackbirdpctech ok just curious, because I do have the 12b bios and the VID show 1.5v plus
What I don't really like from Intel is the CPU overclock feature only being able to handle in the Zx90 board while the Bx60M cannot. But in the market, I can find a wide range of options for Bx60 at a very good price, and the cheapest Zx90 price has already become the premium Bx60 series in my country.
On the other hand, AMD allows their Bx50 series to OC the CPU. I will very much appreciate if their upcoming B860 for the 200 series supports the CPU overclock.
That’s a great point … I also find it easier to optimize Ryzen processors.
got B660 AND 12400f AND EASILY OVERCLOCK WITH STOCK cooler 18 PERCENT. i wouldnt go into 14gen yet.
That’s a great performance boost!
it's better not to do it because it burns the processor
The tweaks that I provide in this guide are completely safe and will not damage your processor.
Better: HT off; E-Cores = 8 cores enabled.
I didn’t show it in the video but I tested with HT disabled and I didn’t see any benefit, in fact I saw a performance drop in most titles.
@@blackbirdpctech Better temps...
I didn’t look at the temps
Is there a 'best' windows power profile setting for Ryzen CPUs? I've seen some stuff to unlock lots of different settings in the power profiles but never sure which is best. AM4 v AM5 v Intel...?
Great question ... as I'm sure you are aware, GameTurbo is not available to AMD Ryzen CPU owners in Windows, so I typically use the "High Performance" plan. It will usually not make a big difference if you use the Balanced plan, so I wouldn't worry too much.
@@blackbirdpctech Cool, cheers. Great content btw!
Thanks ... stay tuned because I have some great new content coming soon 😉