Go for it, you won’t regret. This is the best time because of the price/performance. With the new microcode you can still overclock this cpu using the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and get a great performance without going at high crazy temps or exceeding voltage that might hurt your cpu.
Anybody with experience with intel processors (from at least sky lake) knows that “auto” voltage settings from many of the vendors are aggressive, necessitating undervolting. Raptor lake’s “auto voltage” in the early days of the platform were ridiculously high. 1.5V+ on asus for no reason at all. So I overrode all that crap on my 13900k and set a negative voltage offset of -.06V. Then I implemented per core turbo ratios. 1 core -> 5.9 GHz. 2 cores -> 5.8. 3 cores 5.6. 4 or more cores 5.5 GHz. And it has been rock solid for nearly 2 years.
I had to do the same thing with my 14900KS. It’s running fantastic. The new Intel chips that just came out Suck, so I’m glade I have mine working good. Only upgrade I might go for is a 5090 GPU. I’m running a 4090 so I want to see the reviews of the 5090 then I will decide.
@@timnevitt2993 Well make sure you format the USB stick in FAT32 format and when you plug it in make sure to plug to the specified port for BIOS update on your motherboard, therefore read the manual.
kinda piss poor timing to be ordering 14th gen right now lol. could've waited a week and get it even much more heavily discounted since arrow lake comes out today. or just get the latest gen hardware for the same price and have some upgradability in it. lga1700 is a dead platform, i wouldn't have invested into it in any case tbh if stability was my main concern i would've just went with tried and tested AM5 CPU's (at least ryzen 7000 and seems that 9000 is so far) or again, just wait a week after the reviews for arrow lake lift and maybe go for an lga1851 platform
I have a 13700K on a Taichi Z690 DDR5 board, and it's been out of service for the last four months or so, waiting to see Intel's "solution." Sensing that 0x125 and 0x129 were not going to be Intel's final answer, I waited. ASRock has finally released a BIOS with 0x12B. I hope to get the BIOS updated before the end of October and bring it back into service. I'm still not sure this is going to be the final fix, but it's time to give it a try. At least we have a five-year warranty now.
Exactly, since the 5 years warranty I told myself that I could finally use my chip normally and if it breaks, I'll simply replace it. I found beautiful balance for 13700kf effectively undervolting and overclocking running 5.5 all pcores, 4.4 ecores @ 1.3v with 90c max under 100% load (only cinebench does that) if not it's more like 50c max when I play path of exiles in 1440p for example. I'm currently alt tabbed in Path of Exiles with 12% cpu utilisation sitting @ 40c xd
@@rangersmith4652 If you want exact settings I do not use a fixed voltage, I used manual ac/dc (AC=4 DC=40, Load Line Calibration Mode 6) this gives me a 0.005~ voltage diff between Core VIDS and Vcore under 100% load. If you wanna know my other settings just ask.
Probably had issues because you had a cheap MB to go along with it. Paired my i9 14900k with a rog dark hero maximum and zero issues. Before and after microcode update. Zero issues
I saw the writing on the wall when these chips launched, the single core boost voltage was so crazy. My 13700K at the time was hitting 1.56V for single core boost clocks of 5400mhz. I ended up capping the VID to 1.350V and shutting off e-cores for gaming and I was then able to crank up the P-cores to 5800mhz. Its been running like that for like 14 months now. Never had a single problem.
The thing is if you played something that triggered the bug, where the CPU anticipated demand while waiting on a memory stall lead to a high V which was NOT reduced by sudden load, then your CPU would still have broken. It happened to Minecraft servers and on some other games, when using server boards, set up conservatively with efficiency in mind.
About 10 months ago, i picked up the 14700kf and a Asus tuff gaming z790mother board, The first time i went through the Bios setting when it was new, the max watts was set at 255w. and the CPU would stumble when the date was around august. I left the stock Bois from the factory installed and started to watch the cpu a bit closer with temps, volts, watts and did not notice anything that was off the scales, but the CPU was stumbling when gaming and using TH-cam to play music over my gaming time. Updated the Bios early September to the latest (1663) non beta B version, and the stumbling went away. and could not notice any changes to the limits in the BIOS except it is set to cap at 253w. All the other limiters were still in play. I think there is more to the story then they are telling us.
@@brugj03 more like being cheap. My i9-14900k bought in late June now has 650+ hours with no issues 😂 don’t believe everything you see on the internet kid
mitigation the action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something: so according to intel 0x12b is mitigation for high voltage issue by definition it is not a fix we need a recall
I just checked my i9 14900kf, in cinebench R23 - 40789 points, but only on 4 cores 100*C and on all the others ~80*C. I need to update the BIOS and check the Intel settings. Currently it is probably without limit, 1.56V during the test. I've been rendering on this cpu in v-ray for half a year XD
I had stability issues with a 14700 on an ASUS W680 ACE. The BIOS update seems to have resolved it, however, I had to reinstall Proxmox to get it to boot properly. I had originally assumed the stability issues were unique to the K versions. Just wanted to put it out here in case any one is having issues and assumed the same.
I set power limits on my 13900k to help it. My PL1 is 125W and PL2 is 253W. Runs ALOT cooler now too, but i pray it still has a long life span in it. Cinebench score is about 25,000 with the power limits i enforced on it.
That is quite bad, why on earth is PL1 just 125W???? My 13900k is 2 years old now and on 0x12b it still pulls 35,000 points with the "Extreme" intel defaults. Z790 Aorus Master (non x)
Good to see you guys doing more youtube content other than the Podcast. Would love to see more. You guys are on the same level as level 1 techs, GN, you're just not doing a great job in presenting your expertise.
Install the new bios update. Gamed really well the first day with no issues but noticed cpu temps reaching 90 degrees. The next day, I couldn’t play games steady without crashing again. The only way I can play solid with no crashing is to turn off hyper threading but it’s wack cuz it makes the cpu perform less than it is
Lock all P-Cores down. I went to water cooling on my 14900KS to fix my issues, now I have more headroom and no crashing. Thermal Velocity boost, Hyper Threading will cause the CPU to hit TJ Max and down clock it or crash it. 13th and 14th Gen should be water cooled to allow the Chip to do what it was designed to do. But they can work just fine with a little less performance with the new microcode update.
@@papasmurf5598yeah I play a lot of hell let loose on ultra graphics 1440p and with liquid cooling my 14900k runs 55-60 C This cpu NEEDS to be cooled down, if you can keep it cool it’s a beast.
I don't have exact performance figures for my 13700K pre 0x12b, but I plan to record them before I do the update, probably early next week. Never had any stability issues with my chip, but never really taxed it. In the long run, I'd much rather have a small drop in performance than a chip that wants to eat itself. But I won't be buying Intel again for a while. Might even make my next build a Zen5.
Just enjoy the cpu. god's sake, the cpu is sorted. Now I have the i9 14900kf works great, got a 420 mm, aio voltages are spot on and temps are well under 70° gaming 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I just updated to 12B today it now allows you to disable C1E to gain performance and stability..at intel Default Extreme P1/P2 320 400W highest Voltage was 1.48 with Core2 and 3 @ 6.2 i then dropped power limit to P1/2 to 253 400 W 57 all cores and Voltage at Auto and Svid adaptive with off set -0.10000 results= 57all core 2.8 V 80C
Ignore my last comment I realised I forgot to close background apps when running Cinebench. I can confirm that after a retest (with background apps closed) my scores are now above average with 0x12B but my temps are 8-10 degrees lower!
Honestly, pretty new to PC building. I just limited the V max to 1450 mV and it fixed it for me. I’m sure this likely isn’t an ideal solution since it doesn’t seem like an optimal undervolting but instead just caps it before it gets bad. Any tiles would be appreciated but it runs just fine.
Thanks for the honest review mate. I am actually trying at the moment to justify upgrading to the 14900K. I don't need it but I have so much respect for this legendary misused and abused CPU!
@elcomandanteimperial8397 worth it yes I did the bios update well before I got the i7 14700kf so when I got it put it straight in I have a 420mm aio so I didn't bother with the power limits but the i9 am not sure as always been a i7 guy due to just heavy gaming but add get it make sure you bios update have a good aio and put enough thermal paste on it you will be fine don't let people tell you diffrent only see for your self the 14th gen are powerhouses and enjoy that beast of a chip 😉
@elcomandanteimperial8397 to be honest I was surprised when I put my i7 in it boosts to 5.2 right out the box the i9 should have a nice boost to and no problem brother enjoy it 👍
Honestly, now more than ever is the best time buy an 14th gen 14900K because of the price/performance. Just look at the prices for the newest AMD and Intel. Those prices are ridiculous.
So is this all that needs to be done? Just update to the latest Microcode 0x12B bios? Any other settings that need to be manually set? MSI finally got off their asses and finalized my mobo's Bios to 0x12B from beta. After waiting months, I didn't feel like being Intel's beta tester-lol!
It was on the screen: BIOS version 1666, Microcode 0x12B, released 09/30/24. If you mean the BIOS version that the board was running out of the box, that was version 1420, released 10/30/23 (initial 14th Gen microcode).
After the microcode update my system with 14700k crashes, leaving everything on inteldefault or auto. It seems idle voltages are way too low to keep it running. The core voltage is around 1.2 v in idle. Setting it to offset did not work for me. Only in manual mode setting it to around 1.375 or higher keeps it stable. Does this mean my cpu is degraded ?
Good point - should have at least run 3DMark in a video like this. There would be no meaningful difference, as we have discovered with power scaling in the past (pcper link): pcper.com/2022/10/intel-core-i9-13900k-power-scaling-performance-explored/
hi newbie here, just bought i7-14700k on my new pc, is it ok to use default setting on the newest bios microcode 0x12B ? when im playing games like naraka and helldiver the core voltage stay on 1.44v and 145v, is that normal ? lol, when back to idle mode it jump around 1.1v to 1.4v
Yes, this Microcode works. Go get it before they run out, because the new Intel ultra core 200 chips that just came out today Suck Big time. Or if you’re an AMD guy then wait for the 9800X3D that is supposed to blow everything off the map as far as gaming goes anyway. I’m an Intel geek, but the 9800X3D is going to be the chip to have. I have the 14900KS running on a Z790 Apex, but it will get destroyed by this new AMD chip.
@@smamas114 I've found a way to stop the crashes by disabling the turbo boost of intel, which means my CPU will run at 3.2Ghz as max, if that works for you you can get i9 14th without any problem
@ I was wondering if i get new one and update the mobo bios first and than put the new i9 in maybe its not affected like this ...maybe someone tried this !!
it is safe, just buy z-series mobo, and lock up the voltage to 1.4V at max, and you can undervolt it -0.12V and you'll get 1.2 ~ 1.3V full load and set 253W max power and make sure you have a good cooler, you'll be fine and running the full performance of it
On my end, I’m thermal throttling with a 14900k and latest 0x12B microcode update. I’ve even tried undervolting and I was still thermal throttling. I’m just lost right now
@@adastruh That's... Weird, it should be enough. Are you sure it's properly pressed against the CPU? It really shouldn't be throttling with an AIO and an undervolt. Was it doing that before the update?
I have an 4090 paired with i9-14900k and Asus e gaming WiFi 2 motherboard. For 2-3 Months everything was fine but the. BSOD AND crashing all the time. Took it to tech and he said he tried everything but the computer died. He said it’s the Mobo I said maybe the cpu but he said no. It’s either one or both. The Mobo red light didn’t come on for cpu and the testing passed for cpu. How do I know which one is for sure, and most importantly which should I get.
I'm looking for upgrade my system from 6700k Overall core ultra ia kinda meh... And now I saw 14900k is more cheaper than before. Maybe this is a good idea to buy 14900k instead of the 285k? 🤔
14900k is good on the price right now and if you’re fine from upgrading in the future since the 285k will be using a new socket now. Core Ultra 285k is more towards on productivity use.
I don't know what's going on and what's the reason, but a few days ago I smelled a strange smell from my computer for 2-3 minutes, then it disappeared without a trace The problems from before, or even now, are clearly not over, or we'll only see the damage in time at our expense. If after all the nonsense with the voltages, I now have a leaking capacitor to poison me as a bonus, I'm a real lucky guy!
I don't get it. The motherboard is the issue or the processor? I have the same but a z690 board so if I get any 14900k it will be fine as long as I install the bios update?
Some motherboards were applying weird settings... for whatever reason (incompetence in my opinion). So learn how to under volt your motherboard and go for it. Doesn't matter the microcode you re running if you can properly tweak the BIOS.
Supposedly the BIOS update will prevent the processor from degrading over time, regardless of board, yes. It saves having to manually adjust voltage and power limits.
what your thoughts about that ASUS is the only vendor that forces you to use Enhanced C-States with the new microcode 0X12B? this setting is totally forced on ON no matter if you disable regular c-states the enhanced c-states will be always turned on, its a shame because now the latency are much worse and there even some frames slow downs etc, I hope that ASUS will fix it with new bios update
Looking at my tuning number the max voltage i have requested is 1.385v bro over here cooking spam running 5.7Ghz Ecores 4.6Ghz used to have 5.8Ghz brought it down didn't have to might go back i had E-cores at 4.8Ghz rock solid
I found out that Intel XTU and shitty MSI center were also contributing to the instability of my system. Make the adjustments from the bios, not XTU. It's just not... good.
WHAT ? THIS IS ALL THEY DID , DROP POWER LIMITS ......AND PERFORMANCE WITH IT ? WHO IS GOING TO WASTE MONEY ON A I9 CPU THAT RUNS LIKE A I7 CPU ? In fact why dont we just go back two generations and buy i9-12900k cpu ? I own a i9 12900 cpu and these numbers are what I get with mild overclock on asus prime z690 MB ! You got to be kidding me . They just defined a gen 14 i9 back down to gen 12 i9 ......THEY CALL THIS A SOLUTION ? Now I know its time to get rid of intel once and for all ! This is a joke . No need to be a computer scientist to see that turning the power down makes the chip run cooler ! Don't AMD chips run cooler .....AND PERFORM BETTER AS WELL ? They are treating us as idiots ! Thanks for shedding light on this for me . Nobody else making these videos about this subject ......including some big name youtubers..... have presented things this way !
I have 14700k microcode 12b and while gaming p cores run at 4200 mhz just as e cores run but on stress test p cores run at 5500 mhz. I dont understand. I'm thinking about returning to 129 microcode
Looks like there is no do it all CPU currently in the market. You get AMD 8 core that works, deal with 14th gen make it work with tuning PhD, deal with AMD dual CCD crap or give up gaming performance and go with 200 ultra series. I just simply cant upgrade from 5800x3D because I want more cores that works great in OS, gaming and productivity and there is simply not such CPU selling yet. Looks like I have to wait for AM6 for upgrade I dont think Intel would be able to make something great with all the lay offs and R&D budget cuts.
PC Perspective : voltages are still to high for a continuous deliveries. Maximum safe continuous voltage for the 12-th, 13-th and 14-th GEN is 1,30 - 1,31 V. Everything above is literally slowly melting the tranzistors and the architecture with it. While the 0x12B microcode is implementing the 253 Watt limit (which is still too high) it is using slightly higher voltage to compensate for the cut down amperage. It has been widely reported that the partially damaged CPU-s are now self-degrading faster with this 0x12B update.
14900k is crazy! 5 years of warranty and stays cool with just a single tower cooler with ambient temperature around 25-30c, doesn't even break 90c, undervolted so it only consumes 220 watts max at full performance, 38500 points in cinebench r23.
Everyone uses R20 and R24.... all my testing (Zen3) has been on R15 and R23 so no idea what numbers mean, I got 30K R23 (on air with PBO and CO) on a 5950x before selling it.
Do not install the latest Microcode 0x12B from Intel, perform my tests and the temperatures and consumption of my i5 14600k processor are a disaster, return to a previous and much better version
@@Liz-RJ my cpu is 13700kf my motherboard is prime b760 plus ddr5 Well im on 0125 microcode and i tweak my bios from day one and everything is ok and good but i heard that i have to update the new bios and tweak with bios like i did before and everything is gonna be ok
@@alikf8017 If everything is going well with your PC, it is not necessary to update the bios. In my case, I only did it to test and it did not work as expected.
Thanks for the video. Here in December both that board and chip were on a good sale. Works for me!
i like my 14900K, it keeps me warm at the winter and i can cook an egg when i am hungry.
Main reason why I bought one 😂
Thank you for this video, I've been looking for this . I am considering purchasing a 14900k as i am sitll on a 9900k.
Go for it, you won’t regret. This is the best time because of the price/performance. With the new microcode you can still overclock this cpu using the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility and get a great performance without going at high crazy temps or exceeding voltage that might hurt your cpu.
Anybody with experience with intel processors (from at least sky lake) knows that “auto” voltage settings from many of the vendors are aggressive, necessitating undervolting. Raptor lake’s “auto voltage” in the early days of the platform were ridiculously high. 1.5V+ on asus for no reason at all.
So I overrode all that crap on my 13900k and set a negative voltage offset of -.06V. Then I implemented per core turbo ratios. 1 core -> 5.9 GHz. 2 cores -> 5.8. 3 cores 5.6. 4 or more cores 5.5 GHz.
And it has been rock solid for nearly 2 years.
This 1.5v only happens when you actively enable MCE. I've never seen this happen specifically to my Asus board since day1.
@@Pandemonium088ASUS z690 formula: enabled Xmp and voltages were spiking to 1.5V.
Yet my 14900k has been rock solid with overvolting and overclocking to 5.9p core 4.6 e-core.
I had to do the same thing with my 14900KS. It’s running fantastic. The new Intel chips that just came out Suck, so I’m glade I have mine working good. Only upgrade I might go for is a 5090 GPU. I’m running a 4090 so I want to see the reviews of the 5090 then I will decide.
I had to undervolt my i9 10850k because he was hitting 100c in prime 95 avx on , but I haven't seen voltage more than 1,3v
glad i watch this because i just bought a 14900k and a msi tomahawk so i will be doing bio update as soon as i get it built
Be careful on that BIOS update, *make sure* to read the manual before proceeding.
@@Eddie-s4e why would u say that do u know something i dont
@@timnevitt2993 Well make sure you format the USB stick in FAT32 format and when you plug it in make sure to plug to the specified port for BIOS update on your motherboard, therefore read the manual.
I just ordered a computer with this CPU. Seems like this update is arriving just in time.
kinda piss poor timing to be ordering 14th gen right now lol.
could've waited a week and get it even much more heavily discounted since arrow lake comes out today.
or just get the latest gen hardware for the same price and have some upgradability in it.
lga1700 is a dead platform, i wouldn't have invested into it in any case tbh
if stability was my main concern i would've just went with tried and tested AM5 CPU's (at least ryzen 7000 and seems that 9000 is so far)
or again, just wait a week after the reviews for arrow lake lift and maybe go for an lga1851 platform
@@HoLDoN4Sec haha yeah. I found a Lenovo prebuilt for an extremely cheap price with a 4080 super. Otherwise I would have 100% preferred to go Ryzen.
@@HoLDoN4Sec 13/14th gen are good for years
@@skylerdylan1005same here
@@skylerdylan1005i just ordered a PC with a i91400KF and a 4090 got a great deal on it too
I have a 13700K on a Taichi Z690 DDR5 board, and it's been out of service for the last four months or so, waiting to see Intel's "solution." Sensing that 0x125 and 0x129 were not going to be Intel's final answer, I waited. ASRock has finally released a BIOS with 0x12B. I hope to get the BIOS updated before the end of October and bring it back into service. I'm still not sure this is going to be the final fix, but it's time to give it a try. At least we have a five-year warranty now.
Great video. Some gaming benchmarks wud have bben nice
Exactly, since the 5 years warranty I told myself that I could finally use my chip normally and if it breaks, I'll simply replace it. I found beautiful balance for 13700kf effectively undervolting and overclocking running 5.5 all pcores, 4.4 ecores @ 1.3v with 90c max under 100% load (only cinebench does that) if not it's more like 50c max when I play path of exiles in 1440p for example. I'm currently alt tabbed in Path of Exiles with 12% cpu utilisation sitting @ 40c xd
@@dominicbedard5535 I got sidetracked on mine, still dormant. Next week for sure. Perhaps after the BIOS update I'll try your settings.
@@rangersmith4652 If you want exact settings I do not use a fixed voltage, I used manual ac/dc (AC=4 DC=40, Load Line Calibration Mode 6) this gives me a 0.005~ voltage diff between Core VIDS and Vcore under 100% load. If you wanna know my other settings just ask.
Probably had issues because you had a cheap MB to go along with it. Paired my i9 14900k with a rog dark hero maximum and zero issues. Before and after microcode update. Zero issues
I saw the writing on the wall when these chips launched, the single core boost voltage was so crazy. My 13700K at the time was hitting 1.56V for single core boost clocks of 5400mhz. I ended up capping the VID to 1.350V and shutting off e-cores for gaming and I was then able to crank up the P-cores to 5800mhz. Its been running like that for like 14 months now. Never had a single problem.
Thats crazy. Why not just set the IR voltage to 1.4 and lock cores?
@@tylerbraun8748 Thats literally what I just said I did.
@@arc00ta I just didn't know you had to disable the E cores when locking all cores.
The thing is if you played something that triggered the bug, where the CPU anticipated demand while waiting on a memory stall lead to a high V which was NOT reduced by sudden load, then your CPU would still have broken.
It happened to Minecraft servers and on some other games, when using server boards, set up conservatively with efficiency in mind.
I went for adaptive Vcore offset -0.100 and disable multithreading enhancement.
2 years going strong, voltage and temps are still perfect
About 10 months ago, i picked up the 14700kf and a Asus tuff gaming z790mother board, The first time i went through the Bios setting when it was new, the max watts was set at 255w. and the CPU would stumble when the date was around august. I left the stock Bois from the factory installed and started to watch the cpu a bit closer with temps, volts, watts and did not notice anything that was off the scales, but the CPU was stumbling when gaming and using TH-cam to play music over my gaming time. Updated the Bios early September to the latest (1663) non beta B version, and the stumbling went away. and could not notice any changes to the limits in the BIOS except it is set to cap at 253w. All the other limiters were still in play. I think there is more to the story then they are telling us.
To put things in perspective, my 9950X does 18500 CB R20 and uses almost 80 watts less.
Just a reminder every test you see on CPU’s is slated for 1080p lol,…these things don’t run 1080p. Get an Intel for real performance
@@madclone84 I think i`ll use my mind and go for AMD and reliability.
@@brugj03 more like being cheap. My i9-14900k bought in late June now has 650+ hours with no issues 😂 don’t believe everything you see on the internet kid
@@brugj03 but if you can’t afford Intel AMD is a good stepping stone
@@madclone84 Indeed, if you can afford unreliability you must buy Intel.
mitigation the action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something: so according to intel 0x12b is mitigation for high voltage issue by definition it is not a fix we need a recall
I just checked my i9 14900kf, in cinebench R23 - 40789 points, but only on 4 cores 100*C and on all the others ~80*C. I need to update the BIOS and check the Intel settings. Currently it is probably without limit, 1.56V during the test. I've been rendering on this cpu in v-ray for half a year XD
Have you checked the results after updating bios?
I had stability issues with a 14700 on an ASUS W680 ACE. The BIOS update seems to have resolved it, however, I had to reinstall Proxmox to get it to boot properly. I had originally assumed the stability issues were unique to the K versions. Just wanted to put it out here in case any one is having issues and assumed the same.
Excellent video. Thank you.
I set power limits on my 13900k to help it. My PL1 is 125W and PL2 is 253W. Runs ALOT cooler now too, but i pray it still has a long life span in it. Cinebench score is about 25,000 with the power limits i enforced on it.
Lol its so bad. I used to get 39k on my 13900k with 300w limit
@@AK-np2fh ur bad, i got 41k with 253w i9-14900k
That is quite bad, why on earth is PL1 just 125W???? My 13900k is 2 years old now and on 0x12b it still pulls 35,000 points with the "Extreme" intel defaults. Z790 Aorus Master (non x)
@@celeriumlerium8266 I had my cpu RMA’d cause it was loosing performance. Seems to be okay now
@@celeriumlerium8266 tune your bios settings
Strange how they dont seal the apex encore £700 motherboard
Good to see you guys doing more youtube content other than the Podcast. Would love to see more. You guys are on the same level as level 1 techs, GN, you're just not doing a great job in presenting your expertise.
Good constructive criticism. Thanks for watching!
I'd set PL1 to 125 PL2 253 and temp limit to 80c. Disabling E cores is also an option. You'll get all that cache moved to the Pcores.
Install the new bios update. Gamed really well the first day with no issues but noticed cpu temps reaching 90 degrees. The next day, I couldn’t play games steady without crashing again. The only way I can play solid with no crashing is to turn off hyper threading but it’s wack cuz it makes the cpu perform less than it is
Lock all P-Cores down. I went to water cooling on my 14900KS to fix my issues, now I have more headroom and no crashing. Thermal Velocity boost, Hyper Threading will cause the CPU to hit TJ Max and down clock it or crash it. 13th and 14th Gen should be water cooled to allow the Chip to do what it was designed to do. But they can work just fine with a little less performance with the new microcode update.
@@papasmurf5598yeah I play a lot of hell let loose on ultra graphics 1440p and with liquid cooling my 14900k runs 55-60 C
This cpu NEEDS to be cooled down, if you can keep it cool it’s a beast.
8% drop in multi core is quite a lot. I wonder if gaming performance is affected?
gaming is not affected, if anything theres a 2% uplift
I wonder where that 8% drop in performance leaves the 14900K in the overall performance ranks now?
Equal to 15th gen.... core i9 285k.... series 2
(badummm tshh)
Lower.
@@tomstech4390 Oh that would be clever marketing ;)
I don't have exact performance figures for my 13700K pre 0x12b, but I plan to record them before I do the update, probably early next week. Never had any stability issues with my chip, but never really taxed it. In the long run, I'd much rather have a small drop in performance than a chip that wants to eat itself. But I won't be buying Intel again for a while. Might even make my next build a Zen5.
This chip can be easily undervolted though to get the performance back.
Just enjoy the cpu. god's sake, the cpu is sorted. Now I have the i9 14900kf works great, got a 420 mm, aio voltages are spot on and temps are well under 70° gaming 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I just updated to 12B today it now allows you to disable C1E to gain performance and stability..at intel Default Extreme P1/P2 320 400W highest Voltage was 1.48 with Core2 and 3 @ 6.2 i then dropped power limit to P1/2 to 253 400 W 57 all cores and Voltage at Auto and Svid adaptive with off set -0.10000 results= 57all core 2.8 V 80C
Ignore my last comment I realised I forgot to close background apps when running Cinebench. I can confirm that after a retest (with background apps closed) my scores are now above average with 0x12B but my temps are 8-10 degrees lower!
Brilliant, not that I'm an Intel fan or anything. Thanks
Honestly, pretty new to PC building. I just limited the V max to 1450 mV and it fixed it for me. I’m sure this likely isn’t an ideal solution since it doesn’t seem like an optimal undervolting but instead just caps it before it gets bad. Any tiles would be appreciated but it runs just fine.
If you have an msi MB, it's better to use load line. Look it up.
A permanent fix until the next fix
15000 layoffs, and one microcode later...
Thanks for the honest review mate. I am actually trying at the moment to justify upgrading to the 14900K. I don't need it but I have so much respect for this legendary misused and abused CPU!
Worth it
@@marcus2024gamerworth with latest bios?
@elcomandanteimperial8397 worth it yes I did the bios update well before I got the i7 14700kf so when I got it put it straight in I have a 420mm aio so I didn't bother with the power limits but the i9 am not sure as always been a i7 guy due to just heavy gaming but add get it make sure you bios update have a good aio and put enough thermal paste on it you will be fine don't let people tell you diffrent only see for your self the 14th gen are powerhouses and enjoy that beast of a chip 😉
@@marcus2024gamer ty my bro! People is so sick saying that i9 destroy your PC haha it’s cool to see people that can calm yourself :)
@elcomandanteimperial8397 to be honest I was surprised when I put my i7 in it boosts to 5.2 right out the box the i9 should have a nice boost to and no problem brother enjoy it 👍
Honestly, now more than ever is the best time buy an 14th gen 14900K because of the price/performance. Just look at the prices for the newest AMD and Intel. Those prices are ridiculous.
So is this all that needs to be done? Just update to the latest Microcode 0x12B bios? Any other settings that need to be manually set? MSI finally got off their asses and finalized my mobo's Bios to 0x12B from beta. After waiting months, I didn't feel like being Intel's beta tester-lol!
did the intel CPU issue affect the i9 14900hx ?
yes
My laptop with that exact cpu keeps suffering random blue screens :(
I wish you had indicated which version of the microcode and release date you had form ASUS in the BIOS update.
It was on the screen: BIOS version 1666, Microcode 0x12B, released 09/30/24.
If you mean the BIOS version that the board was running out of the box, that was version 1420, released 10/30/23 (initial 14th Gen microcode).
@@pcper Thank you very much for your follow up.
After the microcode update my system with 14700k crashes, leaving everything on inteldefault or auto. It seems idle voltages are way too low to keep it running. The core voltage is around 1.2 v in idle. Setting it to offset did not work for me. Only in manual mode setting it to around 1.375 or higher keeps it stable.
Does this mean my cpu is degraded ?
Yeah send in to Intel for rma
No gaming benchmarks? It would be nice to see how much performance, if any, they lost.
Good point - should have at least run 3DMark in a video like this. There would be no meaningful difference, as we have discovered with power scaling in the past (pcper link): pcper.com/2022/10/intel-core-i9-13900k-power-scaling-performance-explored/
hi newbie here, just bought i7-14700k on my new pc, is it ok to use default setting on the newest bios microcode 0x12B ? when im playing games like naraka and helldiver the core voltage stay on 1.44v and 145v, is that normal ? lol, when back to idle mode it jump around 1.1v to 1.4v
So with this final motherboard microcode, the 14900k is truly ready (safe) out of the box with any motherboards? Z, B and H boards?
Yes, this Microcode works. Go get it before they run out, because the new Intel ultra core 200 chips that just came out today Suck Big time. Or if you’re an AMD guy then wait for the 9800X3D that is supposed to blow everything off the map as far as gaming goes anyway. I’m an Intel geek, but the 9800X3D is going to be the chip to have. I have the 14900KS running on a Z790 Apex, but it will get destroyed by this new AMD chip.
@@papasmurf5598oh damn boy! I bought yesterday 14900K and Asus Apex Encore Z790. With BIOS update I’ll be safe?😢
@@hetasaputra4598 Yes
Me with my 7950X getting 36000+ points in Cinebench R23 while drawing 145W:
Are you going to get back to testing memory and hard drives again too?
Memory yes, hard drives no (SSDs yes). Though I would fire up a 40MB hard drive if any of them worked anymore...
@@pcper I still have my Fireball IED hard drive still works with the adapter. It's the mirrored one 300mb-300mb.
Is it safe now to buy i9 14th gen or leave INTEL and go to AMD ?
buy AMD, I've i9 14900k, and crashes a lot, Just disabled turbo boost to get it working without crashes
@ Thanks for your reply 👌
@@smamas114 I've found a way to stop the crashes by disabling the turbo boost of intel, which means my CPU will run at 3.2Ghz as max, if that works for you you can get i9 14th without any problem
@ I was wondering if i get new one and update the mobo bios first and than put the new i9 in maybe its not affected like this ...maybe someone tried this !!
it is safe, just buy z-series mobo, and lock up the voltage to 1.4V at max, and you can undervolt it -0.12V and you'll get 1.2 ~ 1.3V full load and set 253W max power and make sure you have a good cooler, you'll be fine and running the full performance of it
On my end, I’m thermal throttling with a 14900k and latest 0x12B microcode update. I’ve even tried undervolting and I was still thermal throttling. I’m just lost right now
Is your actual physical cooling up to par? 14900k is toasty, it needs water cooling.
What's your cooler
@@lunarcultist6214 100%. Im on a 360 aio. I just installed the 14900k so ik the cooler is seated properly with the paste
@@blees1ng 360 aio
@@adastruh That's... Weird, it should be enough. Are you sure it's properly pressed against the CPU? It really shouldn't be throttling with an AIO and an undervolt. Was it doing that before the update?
I have an 4090 paired with i9-14900k and Asus e gaming WiFi 2 motherboard. For 2-3 Months everything was fine but the. BSOD AND crashing all the time. Took it to tech and he said he tried everything but the computer died. He said it’s the Mobo I said maybe the cpu but he said no. It’s either one or both. The Mobo red light didn’t come on for cpu and the testing passed for cpu. How do I know which one is for sure, and most importantly which should I get.
Just believe me pal… it is cpu unfortunately. I’m in the same boat
@@alexandereriksson3533 I went with AMD 7950X3d dont get as much fps but way more stable
I'm looking for upgrade my system from 6700k Overall core ultra ia kinda meh... And now I saw 14900k is more cheaper than before. Maybe this is a good idea to buy 14900k instead of the 285k? 🤔
14900k is good on the price right now and if you’re fine from upgrading in the future since the 285k will be using a new socket now. Core Ultra 285k is more towards on productivity use.
I don't know what's going on and what's the reason, but a few days ago I smelled a strange smell from my computer for 2-3 minutes, then it disappeared without a trace
The problems from before, or even now, are clearly not over, or we'll only see the damage in time at our expense. If after all the nonsense with the voltages, I now have a leaking capacitor to poison me as a bonus, I'm a real lucky guy!
I don't get it. The motherboard is the issue or the processor? I have the same but a z690 board so if I get any 14900k it will be fine as long as I install the bios update?
Some motherboards were applying weird settings... for whatever reason (incompetence in my opinion). So learn how to under volt your motherboard and go for it. Doesn't matter the microcode you re running if you can properly tweak the BIOS.
Supposedly the BIOS update will prevent the processor from degrading over time, regardless of board, yes. It saves having to manually adjust voltage and power limits.
what your thoughts about that ASUS is the only vendor that forces you to use Enhanced C-States with the new microcode 0X12B? this setting is totally forced on ON no matter if you disable regular c-states the enhanced c-states will be always turned on, its a shame because now the latency are much worse and there even some frames slow downs etc, I hope that ASUS will fix it with new bios update
Never a fan of being forced to do anything, but I haven't checked the latest BIOS (1820) for this board for that setting yet...
@ could you test and tell your thoughts? Latency are just bad now , it ruined the cpu that what they did
Looking at my tuning number the max voltage i have requested is 1.385v bro over here cooking spam
running 5.7Ghz Ecores 4.6Ghz used to have 5.8Ghz brought it down didn't have to might go back i had E-cores at 4.8Ghz rock solid
I found out that Intel XTU and shitty MSI center were also contributing to the instability of my system. Make the adjustments from the bios, not XTU. It's just not... good.
I dellided my 14900ks and have it direct die cooled never noticed any problems 😂 but I also did it from the jump never used it with stock ihs
8% is a small price to pay i guess
Or don't pay at all
This (and dumping MSI crap like MSI center) stablized my system.
WHAT ? THIS IS ALL THEY DID , DROP POWER LIMITS ......AND PERFORMANCE WITH IT ?
WHO IS GOING TO WASTE MONEY ON A I9 CPU THAT RUNS LIKE A I7 CPU ?
In fact why dont we just go back two generations and buy i9-12900k cpu ?
I own a i9 12900 cpu and these numbers are what I get with mild overclock on asus prime z690 MB !
You got to be kidding me . They just defined a gen 14 i9 back down to gen 12 i9 ......THEY CALL THIS A SOLUTION ?
Now I know its time to get rid of intel once and for all ! This is a joke .
No need to be a computer scientist to see that turning the power down makes the chip run cooler !
Don't AMD chips run cooler .....AND PERFORM BETTER AS WELL ?
They are treating us as idiots !
Thanks for shedding light on this for me .
Nobody else making these videos about this subject ......including some big name youtubers..... have presented things this way !
Updated to Microcode 0x12B on my z790 tomahawk today and I have -50% performances, no cap.
I have 14700k microcode 12b and while gaming p cores run at 4200 mhz just as e cores run but on stress test p cores run at 5500 mhz. I dont understand. I'm thinking about returning to 129 microcode
@@ferencdavid1763 That's what I did.
Ran cinebench with 0x12b and saw pretty much no difference at all.
This update makes my cpu go down to 0% in games makes the games stutter sometimes the mag voltage is 1.5v . 13700K regret this update .......
The 1666 BIOS we used is no longer available, I see... At some point I will have to try the version 1802 BIOS that replaced it to yesterday 😡
@@pcper then make a new video we guys are waiting for it by the way we love watching your video
Looks like there is no do it all CPU currently in the market. You get AMD 8 core that works, deal with 14th gen make it work with tuning PhD, deal with AMD dual CCD crap or give up gaming performance and go with 200 ultra series. I just simply cant upgrade from 5800x3D because I want more cores that works great in OS, gaming and productivity and there is simply not such CPU selling yet. Looks like I have to wait for AM6 for upgrade I dont think Intel would be able to make something great with all the lay offs and R&D budget cuts.
That's Asus for helping Intel to resolved the issue again. Asus makes best pc parts
They dont. They however make the most overpriced parts.
Asus tirou a cueca 🩲 da Intel 😂
PC Perspective : voltages are still to high for a continuous deliveries. Maximum safe continuous voltage for the 12-th, 13-th and 14-th GEN is 1,30 - 1,31 V. Everything above is literally slowly melting the tranzistors and the architecture with it. While the 0x12B microcode is implementing the 253 Watt limit (which is still too high) it is using slightly higher voltage to compensate for the cut down amperage. It has been widely reported that the partially damaged CPU-s are now self-degrading faster with this 0x12B update.
That is not very reassuring.
Widely reported where ? If you don't mind me asking , I'd like to see these reports as well .
Wattage means nothing……….amperage under load is what you want to look for. Similar to voltage while idle……..doesn’t matter.
Rma your cpu. Lock all your cores as soon as you get the new cpu. Problem fixed. AMD windows expirence is dog shit. Sold my 9800x3d for a 14900k.
the performance drop is well worth the temp drops.
My 14900k have hit 1.76V in Bios few updates ago 😂😂😂
I have like 5 Asus motherboards that are completely useless and came like that out of the box he he
air cooler without throttling... LOL
Everyone else is unboxing 15th gen intel processors. Anyone who has one has already cooked theirs and anyone in the market is shopping 15th gen
Unboxing a CPU that I don't have a motherboard for seemed pointless.
@vnitto agreed. it's sand, there's better sand now
14900ks is king.
and they give us the 285K instead
4095W? Intel you ...
Just avoid the headaches and buy AMD
No thank you 😂
blindly advocating for AMD makes you an idiot.
AMD has their own share of problems as well, and for far longer than Intel
No, I will buy another core i9 or die
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would rather buy another i7-14700 but never AMD trash.
14900k is crazy! 5 years of warranty and stays cool with just a single tower cooler with ambient temperature around 25-30c, doesn't even break 90c, undervolted so it only consumes 220 watts max at full performance, 38500 points in cinebench r23.
That`s not crazy at all, If you consider it took 1000`s of burnt out degrading CPU`s.
MSI is better they offer 19 or 24 power stages
Everyone uses R20 and R24.... all my testing (Zen3) has been on R15 and R23 so no idea what numbers mean, I got 30K R23 (on air with PBO and CO) on a 5950x before selling it.
Core ultra……….pure trash. 14th gen cpu microcode just turf’s performance. What good is that exactly there pal? Willing to answer or no?
Do not install the latest Microcode 0x12B from Intel, perform my tests and the temperatures and consumption of my i5 14600k processor are a disaster, return to a previous and much better version
What is your motherboard are u sure i should not update?
@@alikf8017 Well, in my case, the update did not improve anything, my motherboard is a msi z790 A-pro max wifi
@@Liz-RJ my cpu is 13700kf my motherboard is prime b760 plus ddr5
Well im on 0125 microcode and i tweak my bios from day one and everything is ok and good but i heard that i have to update the new bios and tweak with bios like i did before and everything is gonna be ok
@@alikf8017 If everything is going well with your PC, it is not necessary to update the bios. In my case, I only did it to test and it did not work as expected.
@@Liz-RJ ok man thanks