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Please make a video about mac from starting price to highest which is good to buy
SWGZone eGPU sounds interesting but they should’ve better compatible GPUs. I have one from Razor and I can use most cards on it, as long as the power supply it’s enough (and makes sense for the TB3 bandwidth). Yes, it’s not portable. But the magic is to use a portable laptop and at the end of the day, plug in a cable and I have my RTX connected to an external monitor pumping the power. I don’t need it to be portable
Thanks for the video.
Apple got too greedy. They should have already increased base RAM AND SSD specs at list by 2x considering how much cheaper those components now cost.
They charge whatever the market allows them to charge. Blame the hordes of Mac fanboys who are willing to buy 2010 specs so long as they're in a pretty aluminum chassis with a bitten fruit logo.
Apple buyers, having asked many, say they have no idea what hardware specs they have, or even what they (the specs) mean. They don't really care to know either. They see an Apple logo, and that's all they need to know. Apple isn't a tech company. It's a tech brand. They sell their logo. I have total respect for the roots and history of Apple, but that stopped when their anti-consumer practices and nonsensical decisions began.
@@voxtelnismo 🤡 "2010 specs" but '2026 real world performance on the go' (not SIMD CPU-bound ray-tracing) give a Windows fanboy a number and he'll believe it's relevant.
@@voxtelnismo There's currently no arm windows laptops so it's not that crazy to be buying macbooks even with 2010 specs.
@@daveh6356 bro I’m balls deep on Mac. I’m just not a fanboy and see it for what it is. Unlike you.
I like to use my laptop like a laptop, not plugged in.
That speaker comparison was very impressive
Looking at some of the comments, it seems like Apple is training AI models to market their products on tech reviewers' channels lol. Both products have their pros and cons so pick your poison.
Gaming is a guilty pleasure and distraction. Having one machine for working, projects and gaming is kind of a curse hidden in a blessing. As someone who console games I prefer it over a PC for this reason.
I'm glad that you used a Lenovo laptop. They are premium products on the PC side. Most MacBooks are premium laptops. Both are excellent for programming. Other industries there are some advantages & disadvantages.
- MacBook Pros for professional video/photo editing and DJs. Greatest for laptop battery life.
- Premium PCs for non-programming engineering, finance/insurance, and gaming. Also, phenomenal value in the desktop market.
Lenovo was good when IBM cared about them. No they are same crap as Dell, I know because our company uses these crappy Lenovo machines…😢
@Sherukka It's still good today. The only difference is it isn't as module as it was in the past. Only the SSD and RAM are adjustable.
Only Framework laptops are allowing full modularity now.
@@akin242002 Reliability has been mediocre…
Ibm were never good
@@Sherukkayou mean IBM ThinkPad :)
People still believe 8gb M1 RAM is equivalent to 16gb PC RAM, hilarious😂. Apple needs to provide 16 gigs for the base models on the same price and stop slowing down base SSDs wtf.
Using both Macs and Windows, I would say that Mac's RAM is at least 50% more efficient, so 8GB is equivalent to 12GB on Windows for day-to-day tasks, that is obviously not for RAM-intensive pro apps, which you would never buy a laptop with just 8GB of RAM.
@@ahaimes6320 its not about efficiency, tasks that need 12-14 gb ram will still take all the RAM. SSD will act as a RAM if not sufficient. Which can make it's life shorter. 8 gb ram cannot work as a 12 gb ram wtf.
@@aashishnakarmi1690 You need to do more research, as that is a false take. Apple uses a swap in the disk RAM, not the flash drive. So, a 512GB machine has an extra 4GB of RAM at its disposal without putting any wear on the SSD. That already equates to 12 GB of fast RAM. Then Apple uses compression; I have seen 3.5GB of compressed RAM on my Mac. Check out the app's RAM usage on Mac -vs. Windows: it is lower in many cases, which helps free up RAM. As I said, I have both, so I can talk from experience. You are probably just flexing.
@@ahaimes6320 haha youre delulu. Iam an electronics and it engineer and what youre saying is a joke to me😂
The reason people believed it in the first place was due to Apple employee says so😅
Hey man ,I love the comparisons you do for all the laptops you review, but could you try and add comparisons for other aspects too ? A lot of the comparisons are heavily based on videography, photography, 3d rendering and similar workflows. I think it would be really helpful to a lot of people if you could compare more Engineering related applications on Mac and PC. For Eg Solidworks, Physics Simulations using softwares like Ansys, Computational Fluid Dynamics, Training AI Models, Speed tests for linux based softwares, MATLAB simulations, and so on. I understand that these tests are much harder to design but till now I've not seen anyone comparing these aspects for Mac, PC and performance gains in each new generation of products.
You'll prob need to be looking at "workstation" laptops like the P1 from Lenovo. They have certified GPUs for engineering software. Videos of those tests seem to be separate to what's presented in videos like the one above. There's just too much to cover already. Also Linux compatability usually mean Lenovo too.
@@dyong888 Yes, I've seen those videos comparing engineering applications in workstation laptops. I just wanted to point out that a lot of the laptop comparisons on the biggest tech channels are done from Gaming and Content Creator pov so it would be good / useful to also add a technical use case.
I don't think many gaming channels are interested. Having said that I think reviewers who are more knowledgeable should review more "engineering laptops" and run appropriate tests. I guess there isn't much $$$ in it and that's why they don't do them. Those in engineering fields will know what to get anyhow (which is a poor excuse) IMO for not doing reviews.@@nirbhayaher8132
For engineering, it 100% makes more sense to get a PC. The vast majority of engineering software is for Windows. These influencers are focused on consumers and when they talk games and video editing, they do not stress a computer like Solidworks or Ansys does.
That's why I love Lenovo laptops. @@cybermonkeyusa
No matter how good the M3 processors are, the biggest problem with Macs is their "Apple Tax" on SSD and RAM.
If I spend around $1500 - $2000 for a good laptop, 16GB RAM and 1TB SSD are basic requirement.
It's useless even if you got blazing speed but you are out of storage or memory.
Right now, processing photos / videos are eating up more storage and memory
As a 16" Intel Macbook User, I am seriously considering returning to Windows after all.
The eGPU-Case ist really nice. I wish I could use it with an Elgato Cam Link Pro on my MacBook, but Elgato did reply that Cam Link Pro is not compatible with Mac, when I asked. :<
I wanted connect the both HDMI Outputs from my Office-Laptop so I can seen the screens within my Mac, now that I finally got that three-display-setup running. x)
Nice videos in general, I hope this will be as good!
AMD laptops have pretty good battery life, I think they are a good middle ground.
I see a lot of people at work struggling with M1 Macs which are not great at a lot of workflows. But people choose Macs if they can, don't ask me why.
Generally it’s an ecosystem thing. If someone has an iPhone and iPad they’re probably going to want a MacBook most of the time.
To make a car go faster Windows adds more horsepower and higher octane fuel. Apple makes a car go faster by adding more aerodynamics and reducing weight
Ye a good example is windows is dodge American junk challenger and the MacBook is a well engineered Ferrari
@@Techforlife280engineered ferrai with 150 hp type engine which lose to any stock car out there in race and performance any day.
@@germ3058 that makes no sense madam
this is a perfect analogy
Which worked in Windows laptops until the Apple Silicon chips came out for Mac. The problem is those giant "Engines" in Windows laptops produce so much heat that they have to slow themselves down to prevent problems. This is why some i7 laptops will end up beating out i9 laptops of the same generation during an extended workload. Apple solved this by making Apple Silicon, which is for all intents and purposes a mobile processor on steroids. Since Apple Silicon cpu's run at a much lower power level, they also produce much less heat and therefore don't have to throttle themselves. Since these "Mobile" cpu's are also extremely powerful on top of running cool, they in many cases beat out i9's over extended usage. I'm eagerly waiting for the release of the snapdragon ARM processors to compete with this on the Windows side.
I love the comparison videos, as I am trying to decide between Mac and Windows as my next computer.
My main use is for photography, and last year Adobe Lightroom Classic introduced Denoise AI, that really is a challenge to my present Windows PC, and the reason why I'm looking for a new computer.
For this reason, it would be interesting for me to see Denoise AI tested, with f.ex. 10 files, that could be 60MP files from the Sony A7RIV you have.
It's not so hard to find tests with different GPU's for windows computers, but for Mac's it's a different story.
Don’t do the expensive mistake I made, don’t buy an Apple. Overpriced for everything
Try to compare with AMD laptops. I never seen you comparing Apple vs AMD, maybe I missed this
The Mac laptops are good for TH-cam content creators. They have optimized video pipelines, both hardware and software. The PC laptops are for gaming and serious software development, particularly in the enterprise space. I use both so no sacrifices on my end.
Really funny. What is serious software development that can be done in Windows and not on Mac ??? As soon I read "good for TH-cam content creators" I knew that you don't know what are you talking about. I really don't see single thing on Mac that cannot be done same or better than on Win ? Are you aware that Windows is still at least 5 years behind MacOS ?
@@AdrianoCROST Informatica PowerCenter
@@AdrianoCROST your response seems over exagerated also development field is vast cant say mac can do all development, it all depents on the environment that software gonna be deployed on, if mac cant provide environment to run and test software it can no way help in development. As mac m series processor is new a lot things still dont support it.
@@aamirpashah7159 Nope, you can run Windows ARM in virtual machine, test whatever you want (x86 or AMR apps) and all compilers that matter support cross compiling on MacOS arch64. There is nothing you can do on windows that anyone cannot do on Mac or Linux.
You will find most Serious Software developers are using a mac. for the simple fact they get access to the full UNIX development stack windows to get anything close you have to use a Windows Subsystem for Linux. ( Linux in a virtual machine)
Embarking on a thought-provoking experiment, I orchestrated a compelling competition between two formidable operating systems, namely macOS Ventura and openSUSE Tumbleweed. To ensure an equitable playing field, the battleground was set on desktop systems of identical power, creating an environment conducive to a comprehensive and unbiased assessment of their respective capabilities. The goal was clear: to delve into the intricacies of their performance across a diverse array of tasks, spanning routine computing endeavors to more demanding and resource-intensive workflows. As the contest unfolded, a discernible pattern emerged, ultimately culminating in openSUSE Tumbleweed claiming victory. Notably, the open-source operating system demonstrated a nuanced edge, operating with a perceptible speed and efficiency advantage over its macOS counterpart. This unexpected outcome sparked a deeper inquiry into the contributing factors that elevated openSUSE's performance during the competition.
Ive been a die hard pc fan for the last 20 something years and recently got an M2 pro. Aside from just being fedup with all the windows updates, bloatware, horrible battery life on laptops and the fact that pc laptops with similar specs are just as expensive as macbooks . What really gave me the final push was the fact that my friend has a macbook from 2014 that he still uses and since about that same time ive gone thru at least 3 laptops(first gen surface, a lenovo and have had to replace the battery on my xps) benchmarks are great, but unless youre getting a computer just to run benchmarks they dont tell the whole story. Though i dont really ever see myself switching to an apple desktop.
Where can we buy your testes laptops ? Great videos !
Resale (resell?) value of Macs is AMAZING
It depends on the specs, I've seen people selling Macbook Pro M1 and M2 for a fraction of their price, almost all of them were the version with 8 GB of RAM and 512 GB of ROM.
@@raguel259 I can believe that - such a ridiculously low amount of RAM!
My gigabyte areo with 3070 from 2021 while used still sold at similar price when i brought it new
At same time i see bunch of used macs for few hundreds usd...i mean wtf
resail?
I'm pretty sure NO ONE realized that he compared battery life with Dell XPS while presenting a Lenovo laptop... Why? Please update the video with battery life of the Legion
About 20 years ago I bought quite expensive gaming PC with racing wheel, side winder for Combat flight simulator and Panzer general. Toca race driver was a real disappointment , the wheel did not learn to work properly whatever I did with settings. After 3 years the PC just did not work anymore. I bought several MacBook airs, I drove Toca race driver with them. I have now Intel MacBook Pro i9, 16 ram, I really enjoy playing Company of heroes 2 with it, and some total war too. this machine is 5 years old and works just like a new one. I would very much like to get a windows laptop too, while remembering my fate with a PC gaming desktop.
As someone who used Windows laptops for like 70-80% of my life, once I switched to Mac I can’t go back, the battery life is too good, memory management is way better, the overall OS is much quicker and snappier, no constant security updates every 5 minutes, no bloatware, works great with my other Apple devices, just a much more enjoyable experience
I also switched from a windows laptop and I think both platforms have great features. I for one wish that we could combine the best from both and have the ultimate computer.
Sounds like you're stuck in 2000s era.. windows nowadays are snappier than macOS the shortcut and file manager ahead from MacOS... As a mac user windows has changed a lot in the last decade
Sounds like you're stuck in 2000s era.. windows nowadays are snappier than macOS the shortcut and file manager ahead from MacOS... As a mac user window jas changed. A. Lot in the last decade
@mashirokobato5509 I disagree completely. Windows has gotten substantially worse especially if you are in programming or network engineering. Windows 7 was peak windows.
Thats a paid comment, downvoted
You could make a comparison with the best possible windows notebook vs best possible MacBook
does he mention the model etc of the windows laptop in this vid? seems like a weird thing to leave out/not emphasise right at the start of the vid, im guessing its a slim 7 from what i can tell skimming through
I selected the AMD version as it is more power power efficient and has powerful integrated graphics in addition to the RTX. Overall the AMD 7840HS IMHO is comparable to the M1 PRO which I also own. Unless you need to run some heavy games, you do not need to lug around the heavy 230W AC adapter, I run fine on a light 65W USB-C power adapter. Also note that the LEGION comes with 8GB dedicated video memory in addition to system memory, thus 32GB is 32GB+8GB. Unified memory is in my opinion a hype when it comes to efficient sharing between system and graphics.
Also you should add RAM in the second slot of the LEGION, it costs virtually nothing (I paid $1 (!) through an eCoupon) and will double your memory bandwidth. Should help on those export times.
That said I prefer MAC OS over Windows11 (Like windows 7 though) and the battery life on the Mac is just fantastic. Now if only Apple would have done something on their RAM/SSD pricing, it is just crazy.
Just ran Geekbench 6 on battery, no fans spinning, single core score=2265 (Yeah the M3 is almost 50% faster on battery power)
Apple should just make their RAM and SSDs user upgradeable.
What windows machine are you talking about?
@@HungryManticorethey cant as it is ARM processor
@@hurvinekspejbl6229 not because of it at all. They just place memory "close" to CPU because it works much better than external RAM you can upgrade. Also if you have enough RAM (it is sharable between CPU and GPU), Mac can use tens of GB because of that for GPU purposes. By using PC, you need several GPUs for that reason. Apple architecture a lot better than PC has right now. And yes, for some people, unapgradable computer is disadvantage.
@@99aabbccddeefffound a classic isheep saying that apple architecture is better 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡 without even knowledge of PC world ever heard of Nvidia big daddy of apple in terms of ARM CPUs and GPUs
Went MacOS on an Air M2...... no plans on returning to Windows. No competition, best laptop I have owned. And I used to dislike Apple a lot 🤫
Bro what is your main purpose with the MacBook? Is it something heavy like photo editing, video editing etc or just normal use? I am planning to buy an M3 Air for Graphic Designing
It's a common myth that windows laptops are slower in battery mode. This solely depends on the settings. You can get 100% of performance in battery mode. Yet most Laptops come with defaults settings using less power in battery mode. It was always one of the first settings I change, when setting up a new laptop. In general you should check your usability and adjust the settings which fit your use case.
Some laptops will still slow down even in the highest performance mode when on battery
@@GustavoNoronha But that's the thing, not all of them suffer the same thing
@@kyordannydelvalle523 yeah, but it does not depend solely on settings as claimed - most I've owned did not keep it regardless of settings
@@GustavoNoronha You have to look at it more in detail. There are 3 different scenarios:
1. You just set your battery setting to best performance.
2. You need to go to windows energy settings and set the CPU Performance to 100% when in battery mode.
3. You need to go to the BIOS and adjust the settings there and/or do a BIOS update (happens often with HP Laptops).
At least the third option won't be suitable for a beginner or casual user. But these people usually don't need 100% performance anyway.
@@petroskraitsis I know all that, and I also know how to set and configure the power governors under Linux, some chips and laptops just won't do it regardless of configuration, they are hardwired to do that - even if you set everything to extreme.
Max ports is ok what i care about is Efficiency and battery life!, plus the beauty of the screen of mac and soeaker is lightyears ahead
Could you please make a comparison between Surface laptop studio 2 and macbook pro 14 in M3
Nice comparison vid, thx a lot but it's somehow missing price comparison with configuration specs side by side and noise comparison when running on full load plugged in and on battery with the PC laptop.
went to the mac store and opened microsoft word on the mac book pro. that was all i needed to convince me i dont need a macbook.
9:45 this is very accurate, i can prove it. I recently sold an Alienware X17 and a macbook air for a macbook pro. The alienware is 2021 model which was over $4000, and macbook air is the base $999 m1 model, and i traded them off for a second hand M1 max 24 core which was at $3499. Interestingly, with an overall 5000 worth of two laptops, i paid even $400 more to get the 3500 macbook
1:10 is just a great example where quality differ.. just look at them USB-ports.
Apple likes to take everything away and then make you pay extra for it
Will there be 16 inch blade Vs MacBook pro 16
For photo and video editing, I wish to see users would easily switch the operations platform when necessarily. For industries standard, all my raw files for editing were stored in adobe file format. we love to take the advantages from both system. for example a fanless audio recording and editing, using the highest access speed to external storage with either Mac or windows. it is always good to see good competitions between windows and mac, if possible, we would like to see more linux apps too.
I'd love to see a comparison between the most powerfull m3 max macbook and a maxed out windows laptop with RTX 4090 and I9 13980HX. Something like the rog scar 16 also has a mini-led display, really good speakers and some other stuff that you complained about in this video.
I agree! Max and Vadim let’s get this comparison! Also the full M2 Max vs the new M3 Max, but binned version. Basically which is better, the highest end M2 Max or the lowest end M3 Max?
Isn’t the 4090 like massively above the M series chip? M3 can’t even beat ps5 in gaming
@@redeem5858 I'm talking about an overall comparison, not just gaming. But yeah for games the 4090 is uncontested.
@@redeem5858 no and M3 is WAY more powerful than PS5
It depends on optimization
@@Epicgamer_Mac M3 more powerful than a ps5? Explain
Putting there a gaming laptop makes a whole video a moot point. Me, I am not meet a client using a gaming laptop, I will look like a child using a tool with drawings all over it and flashing colored lights, not to talk about the 4.5 hours battery life and the plastics. I am not an apple fan but, nobody will buy a MacBook for gaming so why putting a gaming computer on this. The MacBook hair should be compared with something like a Thinkpad T14s or an ideiapad slim 7 and the pro 16 with something like the DELL xps 17or the Thinkpad x1 Extreme.
In terms of a laptop macs are just better imo. However, I prefer Windows for Desktop because of upgradability and the OS itself (kinda)
I kinda had to go for a macbook air. I needed a fanless laptop for coding, that could also handle photo editing (specifically, AI noise reduction) - nobody apart from apple offers that.
Is it the 15 inch M2?
Which Lenovo legion is this, the pro 9i?
Question, is making more ram or ssd space on an SOC a more expensive manufacturing process?
Apple has changed their SOC model for the M3. Before (M1 and M2), they created one SOC that covered all bases. But now they are designing specific SOC for each chip (M3, M3 Pro & M3 Max). So, it is now more expensive.
In my last two contracts as an embedded software developer I was lent £1,000 laptops from Lenovo and HP. Both worked for a reasonably long time on a battery because they were not being run in performance mode. They were both fast enough in power saving mode for my needs.
A Mac would not have been able to run any of the software development tools I needed to use without resorting to Rosetta and so these two companies did not consider buying me a MacBook for a second. All of these tools might have run under Rosetta, although the fact that one of the tools required a dongle makes me doubt this.
TH-cam reviewers mainly use their laptops for video editing which is why they rave about MacBooks which excel in this task. Unfortunately the majority of the obscure apps that I use only run under Windows.
Why get a laptop if all you do is leaving it plugged in. Wouldnt a good itx build be a better option if so. When comparing a laptop to another the battery life is one of the biggest factors when chooaing one. I havent had a macbook yet but seeing the battery life and the good performance of them is turning my focus of Windows laptops to macbooks for the first time ever. It is crazy to say but macbook is my pick of these two.
I think by leaving it plugging he doesn't mean letting it sit in one place plugged in. For example, I use my laptop at home mostly plugged in, when in class I will use it plugged in whenever possible if the class is over 4 hrs and if it's just a short ~2-4 hrs class that day I will just not bring the charger and use it just from the battery. So I still use it basically plugged in most of the time, but the portability of the laptop is still important.
As for battery life, mine could certainly go 7-8 hours for video playback, but since I find that I can use it plugged in most of the time, I limit the battery to 60% to maximize battery health and always use it plugged in whenever possible.
every windows laptops can slow down when they use battery powered without the main plug in
I would never buy a Lenovo .. especially after getting caught with spyware embedded in their firmware! Hell no!
How much are you going to get for that Windows laptop when you trade it in?
Machining and fit of the back ports on the Lenovo looks like someone just jammed the MB into the case.
It is as simple as this: if you need a computer that does something more than office, web and multimedia editing, a windows computer with a RTX card is a much better option. So if you want to spend 2000-3000€ on a computer that ALSO allows you to game, 3D and gives you expansion in a cheap way, a windows computer is the way. You also can add external GPUs, what on a Mac it is not possible anymore.
Would have been better if you used video and audio samples of the actual laptop you are comparing in the video instead of XPS
Great, now compare it with a Framework 13 running on 7840 U series. Lotsa good reviews on it. Please do.
Yea Framework with ryzen should be amazing!
One thing Macs lack is Bootcamp. All we can use now are VM's. If Apple doesn't share their hardware in Windows 11/12, I'll be switching to a Windows PC from my 2020 27" iMac in the future. Unfortunate, but that's economy and reality. I actually like macOS and Mac design quality more.
I am hoping MS will allow dual boot of Windows on Macs but I suspect Qualcomm may have a deal with MS to allow their ARM Windows machines to have a free reign.
Are we gonna wait for a year for M3 Max vs RTX 4090 comparison ?
I’ve seen some posts on Reddit. The 4090 blows it out of the water. Even a 3080 apparently a bit faster.
@@j.echevarria8630 For that reason I already got 4090 laptop which cost 2 times less than the equivalent M3 Max. But it is still interesting too see the real life comparisons with M3 Max.
@@ThinLineMedia I think the rest of the hardware on the MacBook justifies a higher price to some extent. Often times the significantly cheaper windows laptop options depreciate and have issues more often. It is offset a bit by frequent discounts and upgradability.
@@j.echevarria8630 But not twice as high price, given it is a slower machine than Windows. Had exactly 0 issues during 4 years on my previous Windows machine. This year I decided that I need maximum power for the cheapest price. And there were plenty of crazy good deals for 4090 laptops on Black Friday.
@@ThinLineMedia Well, macs got a better battery life still. Not a big deal, cause doing work on-go is just terrible, and few uses i have for laptop are covered by 10 years old brick or even phone.
Mui bueno video. Gracias por compartir conocimiento
I think if you will use the laptop plug in most of the time,you can consider a desktop that you can upgrade in future
I knew enough when he mentioned the difference in power draw. Game Over.
Does anybody know if a MAC Time Machine backup can be somehow used on a Windows system? Is there any method where the TM can be converted to the other system? Just thinking if I were to buy a PC, would it be possible to restore the MAC TM backup on a Windows system? Thanks.
As far as I'm aware, no. Time Machine backs up what's known as an "Image" which basically is a complete snapshot of your system, INCLUDING Mac OS X. It's impossible to separate the Mac OS X from the rest of the software. Because PC's cannot use Mac OS X, the PC would be unable to use the Time Machine Image. Your best bet would be to back up individual files you use such as documents, etc. Then you can install the programs you need on the Windows system and import those individual documents you backed up. Yes, this is more work, but it's typically a one-time thing unless you have problems in the future that require you in reinstall Windows.
@@Spladoinkal Thank you for such a thorough response. Last week, my old iMac was failing, and I used Recovery to see if things could be fixed, but nothing was working and a message said to deal with Apple. Siunce it was old, I did not, so I ordered a new iMac. However, when I was in Disk Utility (Recovery), I accidentally clicked on "Restore" for the Time Machine external Seagate drive. Now, everything is gone, so it appears, but I have a hunch that the files could be recovered. Would you have any advice on how to do this? The new iMac does not recognize the drive as a Time Machine backup drive, but I am wondering how to recover and restore the previous backup files to their original state, so the drive can again be recognized and used. Or, is it not possible?
Thank you again.
@sashineb.2114 you're welcome! Hmm for that it's hit and miss. Here's the thing: When you erase data, it's not fully gone until the space that the data sat on is overwritten with more data. I can't guarantee you can get the data back but it MAY be there. You'll need to take it to a data recovery specialist to do that though. In the mean time, the less you use the drive the better the chance.
@@Spladoinkal Thanks. I wondered about one of the online recovery software apps, but a specialist would probably be the best bet. Thanks again, and have a good evening.
mac for me.
it's just weird for me how the windows laptops become an OLD 2010s PENTINUM PC when unplugged.
laptop is designed for people who want a machine that is portable while handling everyday task easily. based on that, i would rather choose a mac. if y'all want to plug the windows laptop in, that's okay, but i would love to use a pc instead :)
Comments from brainwashed Apple users are really frustrating me (I don't own a Windows; I use a MacBook). The purpose of this video is not to compare features between them; it's intended to assess the raw performance you get for every dollar spent. In this video, we are comparing a $1800 laptop (just checked the price) with a $2700 MacBook Pro that doesn't even have the specs of its counterpart. We already know silicon chips are more power-efficient, allowing for better performance when unplugged. However, that doesn't justify Apple ripping off the world.
the last time i post comment like this.
i was blasted.
it seems that some people doesn't mind being ripped off.
like honestly.
apple silicon is incredible. it draws very little power.
but still. the problem with apple is their pricing.
still. some people argue that "i love using laptop as a laptop"
the choice is. you pick windows laptop or mac.
windows mostly suffer when unplugged. while apple ripped you off.
i want to know.
did people really do heavy workload outside of their home?
i mean. being portable means you need sacrifice something.
You can get a power bank the size of a box of toothpaste (smaller actually) that keeps your laptop powered for an additional recharge only for $80-120. Still maintaining portability
@@snapdragons7392 it's complete hypocrisy anyway. the only moments you're using your laptop unplugged for a long time is when you're moving a lot and constantly showing stuff on it at the same time. This isn't a common situation at all, it barey happens.
If you're seriously working on any device, IT WILL be plugged, even Macbook can't hold for days unplugged when doing video montage , compression and more.
So if the only serious argument is battery life, that seems incredibly light.
You're completely right about these apple fanatics. It's not the performances that are the issue, it's the price you pay for these. They're not worth it at all.
And don't get me started about their disgusting support.
@@snapdragons7392 explain me, how can you call them "laptops" if you can't even use it on your laptop (well, without getting 3rd degree burns) ?
I’d like to see the comparison of fully specd out versions like the 16 inch MBP w/ M3 max
I would too.
I did see the the M1 chip held its own against a fully spec'd i9 macbook. With only 8 gb of ram. A $1200 base M1 model against a $3500 i9 macbook!
The M1 got beaten in the visuals. Only cause the i9 was not using an onboard video card
A fully spec'd out Mac would cost like $4500 to a similarly spec'd out windows pc to the Mac being like.... $2500. Like he Mentioned... the second you start upgrading a Mac they gouge the hell out of the customer.
And I'm a Mac user. That said.... I'm in the market to update/ upgrade from my decade+ old iMac. The reason there's a question on which to go with..... about 20 years ago I was a pc user exclusively. I had NOTHING but issues. The security on pcs was atrocious, IMO, back then. I got a MacBook... had it for about 5 years before the track pad wore out. It still worked... so long as you had a mouse. I got an iMac desktop. In the entire time I've used a Mac I've had ZERO issues with it. My problem now is due to my iMac being nearly 15 years old I can no longer update to the current ios.... and haven't been able to for years. But now.... I can't update Google Chrome. So I'm stuck with safari. Which isn't terrible. But I'm using this as an excuse to upgrade/ update my setup. The iMac actually works just fine.... despite being like 13 years old. It's just.... outdated. I haven't update the ios in like 5 years, again, because it says I can't. I'm sure there's a workaround.... or I just have to BUY the new ios. And I'm not doing that.
And there lies the problem. Mac is definitely no longer the cutting edge of innovation. Their products are about as dull looking as it gets. None of their computers to my knowledge have even the most basic features like a touch screen. They'll never make a 2- in-1 laptop because it'll eat into their iPad market. Old apple would say fuck it... and just keep adding modern features to the MacBook to make it more in line with competition at least as far as features go. I mean they made the iPhone which literally shut down their iPod market. They didn't care. They'll never kill or even just put a dent in their iPad market though. Because... $$$. As such.... Mac computers are easily the least innovative out there. I mean my iMac is 13-14 years old. Up until the RECENT redesign of iMacs.... my 13-14 year old iMac desktop looked pretty much identical to an iMac from 2020 or 2021. Imacs used to change their design CONSTANTLY in the 90s. They were... fun.... and awesome computers. Now.... they look like the most boring guy in the room.
That said...... with a Mac you know... or at least I know - I'm getting insane reliability. In about 20 years of using a MacBook or iMac I've had ZERO issues with any Apple offering. It's hard to put a price tag on that peace of mind. So the dilemma is..... do I buy the better spec'd waaaaay cooler and innovative and feature packed windows pc laptop...... or just buy the "safe".... yet boring as fuck macbook.... for at best a similar price of not MORE than said windows laptop.
That said... as time goes by I find myself just using my phone for emails. I have a work laptop (windows) the company I work for provides me. I'd pretty much only be using a personal pc/ laptop for... surfing the internet.... streaming content.... and the occasional office software functions. Unlike what most TH-cam reviewers if tech think I feel like I'm in the... I don't know... 80% of the population who isn't in some video/picture editing job industry or a TH-camr. So the typical gripes TH-cam reviews have regarding video and photo editing capabilities I feel like apply to few users. At the very least FAR fewer than they realize. With how much phones can do nowadays and the ability to just put it in your pocket....... I almost question if I even really NEED a PC anymore to be honest. I feel like I can't be alone on that. I mean if you don't game or do any video/photo editing for your job.... or any architecture work..... does one really even "need" a laptop anymore? I feel like desktops in their traditional format are a dying breed for this very reason.... if not already dead. I mean most people "need" a monitor and a "desktop setup"...... to just plug their laptop to it and use it as a desktop. So there's really little need for an actual desktop computer anymore outside of commercial office use.
Because of all this...... I feel like I'll probably wind up going with just the BASE 15" MacBook air. I think I can snag one for $1000. Buuuuuut.... even at that fairly reasonable price.... there's so many intriguing windows laptops out there.... for CHEAPER. It all comes down to that peace of mind I was talking about and what price tag do you put on that? Is the peace of mind really worth the $200-300 premium I'd still be paying for a BASE level MacBook air? As time goes on..... I question that... and actually lean towards - no. It's not worth that premium markup. I say that now but if I go windows and in like 3 years I'm cussing up a storm trying to fix my laptop..... my tune will change. So.... I don't know, haha.
Problem with windows, except the materials and design, that they’re weak without power supply. Gaming is the biggest selling point
Great video. Confirms a lot of my beliefs.
I was recently in the market for a used laptop that was not "old", but didn't need to be the latest either. I decided around 3 years old seemed reasonable to update from my 10 year old Dell Latitude, which amazingly still worked really well with Windows 10 for general needs even with 8 gigs of ram.
I wanted the new laptop to be able to do some video editing, and most importantly handle my VST software synths for my bands. I noticed most decent video editors needed a newer Intel processor than my old i7 just to meet minimum requirements, even though mine was duo core and 3 ghz. While my older VST synths worked fine, some of the newer ones I want to run could certainly use more ram if I'd like to have one rack opened with all songs ready quickly my bands play, and the ability to have large samples loaded. And a couple even needed a newer processor, but almost none.
I figured I'd compare with an M1 Macbook because it was so raved about when it came out, and that I'd compare to a similar aged Windows laptop. And as you said, PC laptops loose their value quickly. So that means.......you can get a fantastic deal on a not so old, but decent PC laptop!
I went with a newer Dell Latitude that is exactly 3 years old (warranty runs out end of this month). It has a 10th gen i-7 2.6 ghz and 6 cores. It was upgraded to 32 gigs of ram, and a 2TB hard drive. But here's the real kicker.....I paid roughly.... half the cost of an averaged priced used M1 Macbook with a mere 8gb ram & 256gb hard drive! My PC has 4 times the ram and 8 times the storage. And while I don't doubt that the M1 processor has more CPU power, and a better GPU than my Nvidia GX250 with 2gb ram, I still think my PC will be able to run most software I care about just fine and run some half decent video editing software. It also has a Thunderbolt 3 port and I might be able to run an eGPU such as the SGWZone you mention for faster video rendering and games. And for travel, I'm not worried about high end games, video editing or battery life. I'll be using this plugged in 95% of the time.
After 2-3 years many companies dump what were once, expensive business grade laptops. Their IT departments get them for free because they go through the work to wipe the drives, and they turn around and sell them very cheaply, often with upgrades. SCORE!
I also prefer Windows because......I have a lot of software already and I don't have to re-purchase it all again. Microsoft is also WAY BETTER at "valuing" compatibility of older software and hardware than Apple is. I still use a lot of software that is over 20 years old, and I can still run it just fine. I also setup my drive to boot Windows 10 & Windows 11 so I can tryout Windows 11, and have it if anything in the future requires it or runs better on it.
I also bought a used 512gb drive to keep as a spare in case I got a virus or the OS crashed or something. I popped it in and running currently. And if I forgot to backup my files, I could connect the drive to a USB adapter and copy my files over. Try that on a Mac! The drives & ram are non-removable. If your system crashes and you didn't backup.....your cooked!
2:45 That would only be because that Lenovo is using a cheap SSD (likely QLC) with a small buffer
Been an Apple customer for 20 years but considering switching to Windows next. I’m not paying an extra £200 for 16GB of ram which should be the base spec in 2024.
I love how portable the MacBook Pros really are. Full power video editing on battery. That’s what I want. If windows can ever offer that, I will consider them. I use a custom built PC, no issue with Windows. If I’m buying a laptop, I want the damn thing to run well on battery
Don't forget Windows laptops have stickers on them! 😛
Why is a sticker which you can remove something a buyer would consider?
@@blinblinthing I was being sarcastic however many windows laptops are plastic and completely removing all stickers often leaves a less than perfect finish. Not everyone wants to be bothered with it. Some computers even have non removable lettering near webcams and no one can forget the infamous W I D E S C R E E N labeling on HP Pavilion laptops in the 2000s.
Apple is completely unbranded now on the front which is nice.
@@cpufrost with the price of apple laptops, you are getting a metal body windows laptop 100%. so you can confidently remove stickers
😂😂
There is nothing wrong with stickers. 🤦♂
Owners of M3 told me the screen gets very hot and will conk out in 1.8 years, Replacement from Apple is around USD$400
I think the title should just be MacBook vs Legion. A lot of these change laptop to laptop.
Edit: a better option would be an a Dell XPS in my opinion
The pricing model and lack of upgradeabilty of Macs is what's killing them. Upgrades are criminally expensive, and if you choose pay for what you need, instead of what you might need, it will 100% bite you back if it ever comes to that. I paid 2.6k for my 16GB M1 Pro, and now that Adobe Software chugs on RAM, those 16GB aren't enough and I'm stuck with that. So it was paying Apple 3K or getting an overkill PC on eBay for 1200.
And so I moved to Windows.
thing is, it’s pointless for any upgradability on windows, after 2-3 years the windows machine will be shite and you’ll need to get a new one.
don't know what adobe 'software' means exactly, but PS and LRC run great on my M1 MBA, 16GB
I can't argue with that. Modularity is paramount on powerful systems. Light duty laptops can be sealed no problem.
@@gabillionairenot sure what you’re smoking but PCs can last 5+ years easy.
@@tom_marsden sure a PC laptop can last 20 years no problem but it will be just a brick
do also comparison in using logic pro on both devices for music producers please❤
Logic is made by Apple exclusively for Apple devices.
Mac for me
Competition has forced windows to step up and thats a good thing. Only thing left is to go ARM to improve battery life
Sadly I use both - my Mac is best for overall productivity but my Windows and Linux box is best for gaming, still there are have been some developments on the Mac which have made windows gaming on Apple Silicone possible. Emulation in the next generation may make it possible to switch less or not at all.
Ehh it won't be worth it just yet, st least until games support ARM based devices properly. Linux is nice for gaming performance, but compatibility can be annoying if you don't know what you're doing. (I can tell you do though.)
I’m ready to get rid of my MBP 16 M2, my external SSD drives keep disconnecting, I never had that issue with windows at all.
Loud fan noise is the real problem of windows pc. It starts to kick of as soon as you open a web browser. That indicated bad os software and uncormity between harware and software.
agree. only you can do - optimize your laptop. I have legion y540 i7 1660ti 144hz etc... and on max load it is not loud.
1. Enabled windows policy "processor energy performance preference" and set it to 50%
2. via nvidiainspector created bat file with voltage offset for gpu. Now it run at 90%+ of power and makes low heat.
3. throttlestop app configured processor.
Now without +- load on system coolers are off. If i play dota2 - cooling system on minumum speed level. (sometimes turns off).
If i play withcer 3 at near maximum (no rtx etc), gpu loaded 99%+. There is no NOISE i can hear and temps are under 75.
but in feature i dont want to tune my laptop + i dont want to fight vs shitty windows 11.
WE PAY MONEY and they are selling trash devices .
sry for my english.
Nah, just use it in quiet or silent mode. It may run warmer but it's no biggie especially if you are doing a browser only.
The issue is a bit complex than just a fan noise. The situation we are enountering indicates thats there is no optimization and coordination between operating system creators, processor manufactorers and pc brands. The situation means that no party is caring about the last product. The product we get at the end of the cycle. Each party is just focusing their part and not care entire product. Without optimization activities we will continue to get low quality products.
@@PixelatedWolf2077
on lenovo laptop quiet mode only change power limits. there is no fan control etc. and this p* of s* run fans each time you get 50C on chip. And you can't change it. Laptop y540 2019year@@PixelatedWolf2077
If we're talking about older Windows laptops, fan noise may have been more noticeable. However, nowadays the fan noise is similar to that of a Mac, and the fans typically won't even turn on when just browsing the web.
Saying Resolve is better is exceptionally subjective without additional context. Most editors find Resolve faster at WHAT? Exports is what you meant to say but 98% of an editor’s time is spent on the actual editing; and Final Cut has the magnetic timeline which is objectively faster for many workflows
Pretty much everything was faster on Windows for me, from export to timeline performance, on my Windows 11 desktop compared to the M2 Max I had (and send back). It's a 5950x with a 2080Ti and 64gb of RAM, so somewhat old hardware. I sort of drank the kool-aid on how "superior" Apple Silicon was, and discovered it's really only better on battery. Add denoise or similar filters and the apple silicon REALLY slows down.
@@thejeffyb9766 Fair. Though, I'd expect de-noise filters are intensive on all silicons? I tend to edit on desktop.
This Laptop with dedicated graphics is very fast! Amazing.
Yeah, a laptop is used only for photo and video editing😂. These reviewers are hilarious😂.
True! The vast majority are used for casual computing, or office stuff. Then there is the gaming sector. These are far more relevant than a niche creator YT bubble.
Why do You compare to 14 inch one? It’s not fair because of thermals.
Why no link to the Lenovo Legion computer?
Good one!
Wow. I was looking for aan NVIDIA egpu, thanks!
I have both of them, using for different purposes and what can i say..
As a laptop - definiteltly MAC. Build like a tank + great portability (due to size, battery, unplugged pefomance and speakers). No windows can beat a MAC at being a good laptop.
As a general machine/PC replacement/gaming center - definitely Windows. As it is just more versatile and powerful with all those RTX-s, plus probably cheaper as well.
So if you really planning to travel a lot with your laptop and use it eveyrwhere unplugged - consider macs. If this is your only laptop or you will be using it mostly at home in controlled environement (plugged) - go for windows.
Enjoy taking my 13 inch m1 mac whenever i go or just watchin some stuff in the bed, but every time things get serious (with heavy programs or games) i resort to my 4080 RTX strix rog 16 and enjoy its power and bigger screen to the fullest.
8GB of RAM in 2023 , swap ? the SSD die young
i bought this mac a 1-2 years ago for general use purposes, and i knew that it has swap. when i run some AI coding, it was using up to 24 gb of swap giving me 32gb in total, so idk no big issues here. regarding ssd, as it was featured even on this channel, you would swap your laptop much sooner for any other reasons before your mac ssd goes really dead.
i usually have lots of things open and the mac still able to function relatively fast and smoothly which is impresive for 8gb! however rn, in 2023, i would definitely get 16. i mean standarts are changing :)@@shaf3006
I miss windows 🥺
I'll say it again, having a silent mac is worth the extra money, I cannot stand the sound of roaring fans on a PC.
I thought the Dynamic Refresh Rate (seen in this video) was similar to the variable refresh rate on Macs. Am I wrong? If that's the case, then this video is inaccurate.
Macs also tend to stay relevant longer too, I've owned several PC's - still use a custom build for my main system, but with laptops, a PC will become little more than a paper weight within a few years, where you really can count on great performance with your mac for at least 5 years as long as you buy into it up front and don't grab the base model. Even then the base model will hold out longer vs the equivalent windows PC if you don't memory swap it into an early death.
It all depends on what you need it for though, if you don't have or want to spend the money PC laptops are great short term devices that will get you everything you need. If you need something for creative work or work in general, a mac will give you more performance for your money over a longer period of time.
oh really? 8gb in 2023? non-up gradable? nice.. It is a common misconception that, apple devices work smoothly over time, your windows PC will be as good as a macbook. I used a 12 year old PC with some upgrades and I even played modern AAA games with it. ( first gen i7, 16gb ram, RX 6600 card). you guys are saying your macs will last longer even on the other side you can literally upgrade the hardware for a windows lap or pc. Apple fanboys are crazy...
@@sholmes_ttyyHe literally just said LAPTOP? The debate isn’t whether a PC lasts longer than a desktop Mac, the debate is whether the Laptop is reliable as long, and generally the answer is no. Windows laptops don’t hold up as well in general, both the os slowdowns and the hardware reliability. In the Desktop world a Pc with upgrades will last longer, but even then once you need a new motherboard and graphics card you literally are paying the same price for one component as the entire new Mac, so even there its only cheaper if you don’t want to upgrade as often.
@@ghost-user559most people's computing needs haven't changed much over the last 5 years. i still visit the same websites, use the same apps, etc. so i doubt windows laptops become paperweights after just a few years.
personally, i only recently upgraded the ram and ssd in my thinkpad yoga l390 to 32GB/1TB because i plan on expanding my coding skills. plus those upgrades have become so much cheaper nowadays. just hope the soldered on i5-8365u chip can keep up.
@@sholmes_ttyyGood luck upgrading cpu & gpu on ANY modern premium laptop.
My current i7 (3rd gen)windows laptop from 11 years ago is just as good now as it was then. When I got it it was faster than any Mac on offer at the time and it was only £700. The i5 Mac was £1600.
I'd say I've had pretty good value out of mine!!
When people keep computers for a long time resale value is irrelevant
The Mac entry is underrepresented. A far more accurate and relevant comp could’ve (awould’ve/should’ve) been a 16” MBP powered by the 16.-40 M3 Max.
I'm bit confused b/w Mac Mini m2 16/512
And
Costome buile pc 👇
Processor: Intel Core i7 12700K (12 Cores, 20 Threads, Up to 5.0 GHz) with Intel UHD 770 Graphics
Motherboard: MSI Pro Z790-A WiFi
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Graphics Card: Inno3D GeForce RTX 3050 Twin X2 8GB GDDR6
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I want it for video editing(davinci). which one one i should be going for ?
As a video editor I use PC at home and Mac laptop on the go because it just works 😅
I have the exact legion thing before this was even filmed 😂😂😂😂😂
I want u to compare test M3 max 16 inch and Lazer 16 laptop!
I'm never going back to a machine with loud fans.
What is a “binned” MacBook pro? What does that even mean? I keep hearing this in many of your videos.
Binned is when a chipset has lower cores than the designed amount. The 3nm process has low yields meaning that many chipsets have cores that do not pass the testing process. So, Apple turns these off, and sells the chipset as binned. This is sensible for e-waste reasons and obviously reduces the costs.
I tried buying a Razor Blade 16 a few weeks ago, I returned it after a week. Two majors issues, battery life, never got over 2 1/2 hours of battery on the Blade 16 even while on an airplane watching a movie. Second the Blade performance dropped so significantly when not plugged in, to the point it was hard to import and edit a couple hundred photos then export the final copies out. My 6 year old MacBook was faster and the battery didn’t die. I don’t understand how Apple has figured out how to make the battery run the laptop the same speed plugged or in the field and the battery lasts me an entire work day unplugged. For my use that turns a windows laptop into a desktop that can be transported easily instead of a true laptop that is meant to be used unplugged in the field. Apples biggest flaw is how overpriced storage is, anything over a terabyte in storage is outrageous. For my needs the MacBook Pro with the pro chip works great and after carrying the Blade 16 for a week I went with the Mac in 14 and it feels so light and small in comparison that I love it. The Mac just works for what I need it to do and I’m not worried about the battery life.
I am really curious to try the integrated ChatGPT on Windows 11. But I wouldn’t switch to it just for that.
It’s spyware. I trust micrsoft about as far as I can throw them, which isn’t very far. Their AI bs is sketchy at best
You do realize that by using it, you completely give up your privacy? Especially when it’s governed by Microsoft. And things that go in, can never be forgotten. Even when you have direct access to the model, you cannot erase it. Only completely deleting it erases the „memory”.
@@bdkamil95 Ah, not a big deal. Just some lobotomy required, who needs it anyway, when you have google searchbar?
I just bought a Lenovo for $2400 with the following specs. Maxed Out Performance
Core i9 24-Core CPU + RTX 4090 Graphics + 32GB DDR5 RAM & 1TB SSD. I also bought a MacBook M3 Max 32 gigs of ram and there's no discernible difference. My M3 was $4000.
@MaxTechOfficial please compare MacBook Pro 14" M3 (3nm) or M2 Pro (5nm) with some laptop on CPU AMD Ryzen 7940HS (4nm). For example ASUS Zephyrus G14. In terms of performance and battery life using AMD 780M iGPU It should get interesting. Because Intel with its 10nm is stuck far behind and there is no point in comparing them in ultrabooks
AMD is the only one that can compete with Apple in terms of CPU and iGPU, Apple wins in battery life, but AMD is not that far behind, which is impressive.
You did not mention how hot they get