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They're absolutely full of crap all they had to do is take a regular bottle put fins on it and give it a darker look there you've got Nuka Cola dark rum. Not anything that was hard to do. The only thing this company has done is exactly like the video game industry put the least amount of work and charge you to the hilt for the piece of crap that they give you. So this company that made this product is no better than the industry that they were making it for they're like two peas in a pod.
YongYea, There is another video I just saw about a company that is called G2A. Not sure if you have heard of it, but it makes me worried on their business practices and how they might influence other companies to do the same. Could you take a look at this video in your free time? th-cam.com/video/we6uuiqQI7E/w-d-xo.html Video ^
I'm a 3D design engineer. First, no one wrote any 'code' to produce a 3D model of that bottle. They just opened a 3D modeling program. Second, the design is so basic it would not even take one hour to make a production ready 3D model. Simply put; Silver Screen Bottling Company is lying.
Exactly my first thought. There is absolutely no way in hell this took 100+ hours. Just look at that design! Someone had their modeling program open, pulled up a picture of a Nuka bottle, and just copied that. And hour, maybe a couple if they don't know exactly what they're going for. If it took 100+ hours, fire your modeling team immediately. Edited because I can't spell.
ditto! I almost bought it just so this would keep on going lol or at least to go in and see if the game is THAT bad. (I found out there's zero NPCs and decided not to)
Hmmm, the perfect drink for Fallout 76...after all they spent all that time making a multiplayer Fallout game that couldn't even do what a single player Fallout could do.
It's actually a perfect metaphor. The vaults were never meant to save anyone, and this product was never meant to please anyone. Just serve the purposes of an amoral, money-grubbing corporation
@@DreddPirateRoberts I was thinking more amoral in the lacking a moral compass sense, but immoral does fit a lot better. They have to have known people wouldn't be satisfied with the product, and I can't understand the shortsightedness that would lead to this mess they've made. But amoral ignorance does seem less likely after thinking about it
I know for a fact people would've bought it if they had speculatively doubled the price just so they could get the bottle, even if Bethesda has tarnished their own brand, people would buy it. People will always keep coming back to companies that fuck them over, like little pay pigs, they'll buy lootbox after lootbox and down a refreshing $159.99 bottle of rum like the good customer they are. For sure the TH-cam game reviewers would snatch it up just so they have something to put in the background.
@@espalorp3286 and this is why ive said id rather put 50+ usd and commission someone to make a nuka cola bottle. Cause as always the fucking fans will do a better job than all of bethesda ever could.
Said it before, I'll say it again; Had the bottle been glass custom for the product I would have bought it at twice the price and thought it a steal. The moment they made it a plastic piece of crap that I can 3D print at home I stopped caring to spend even a dime. I work in production and design with 3D Printers. If an employee told me they spent 100 hours designing and redesigning this I would have immediately ask if they were new or stupid. All you have to do is scale up the 3D glass model around the bottle of liqour, cut out the top for the cork, put in connection points on each half, put it into a slicing software, and press print. It is quite literally that easy. IF someone really did spend 100 hours on this they need to be fired for wasting company time and money.
@Alex M I don't even care about the contents is the problem. Could probably do a mixed something to tolerate it and clean it out thoroughly afterward. But my main gripe is with them saying they designed it as they did. It pisses me off because they're either lying through their teeth about the time they spent on it or the company as a whole is incompetent for allowing anyone to spend that much time on a plastic piece of crap that ANYONE who pours liquid out of a bottle could have told you would not work effectively. And the crap about them saying it would stand out on a bar? Wouldn't the shape of a glass bottle do the same? Incompetence taken to a whole other level.
Yeah.. not even designing AND printing the prototype in parts on a 4" x 4" cheapo printer in your livingroom would take 100 hrs lol, these guys are full of it
Bethesda was one of the first studios to try microtransactions in their games... Look up "oblivion horse armor 2006" and welcome to microtransactions before even EA was using them :D. Trust me you aren't the only Bethesda fan to turn the other way to all the glaring signs this was coming. And don't even get me started on the "creation club controversy."
THEN CAST THE FUCKING GLASS MOLD!!!!!!!!! Seriously, why jack up the price if they could: 1- Make a cheaper product 2- Increase the profits 3- BOTH! That's the most retarded excuse I've ever heard since the Diablo Immortal debacle.
This had potential. From a marketing standpoint this could have easily depleted Silver's stock of Nuka Rum and had demand for more. But they fucked it up; as seems to be the growing trend with Bethesda recently.
Alerian Gaming I think it is in most cases, but there are exceptions, besides, glass can be much more hygienic than plastic in many situations, some plastic types can start to break and release tiny particles of plastic that can be very poisonous at consumption, they usually break with heat, and I am talking about around 30~40 Celsius
As someone that works as a machine operator for a plastic injection moulding company, I can tell you that the cost of making those plastic shells is not as high as they want it to sound like. The only expensive part of the entire process is the price of the tool that has to be made to mass produce them. These can cost around £10,000 - £50,000, depending on the size and complexity of the tool, and I can easily see from the shape and details of the shells that they are not complex. Additionally these tools can run for over a decade with very little loss in quality, giving it plenty of time to pay for itself and make a tidy profit. Once the tool is made however, creating each mould costs mere pennies, and hundreds or even thousands can be made every single day at a very low cost. For example, my company makes parts of equal size to these bottles and each one costs the company around 50p to make, if not less than that, every single day in numbers bordering on thousands. This is nothing less than a cash grab, attempting to sell supermaket value rum at an incredibly high price purely through novelty casing, at a time when the franchise involved is at it's lowest point and being watched by every games and media reporter waiting for them to make another mistake.
You know you screwed up when the people who bought your plastic bottled rum can’t even drink their disappointment away because your rum is just as cheap as the bottle it came in
Shoots self in foot. Shoots self in other foot. Cuts off arms. Proceeds to crawl forward by failing. Requirements to join Bethesda marketing team. Remember-------> it just works.
This reminded me of a shitty Japanese baseball manga where the main character broke his right hand pitching, then broke his left hand, and finally becomes a batter.
"Over 100 hours were spent writing the code to create the 3d-printed prototype" Damn i want three doses of whatever that "coder" and the writer of these statements had during the making
@@Here_is_Waldo Commodore 64 nah bro that is too expensive! Are you kidding me they probably used a typewritter to make the "CODE" for the supposed 3d model. Lmao
"We deliberately spent more money on shitty plastic than cheap glass and at least decent rum" Seriously, like, they couldn't have made the cheap glass bottle and then partnered with Capt Morgan or Bacardi for a decent rum? How the hell do some people have a business?
@LazyGamE Ummm.... There is real rum in that bottle, just really crummy rum. While kids do play games, so do adults who are the target audience for this product or did you miss that whole part? Also, what is a fucking photo ID? Seriously there is plenty of shit that MUST be signed for and MUST be checked with a valid photo id when delivered to one's house. If the delivery service doesn't do its due diligence then they would be on the hook for legal repercussions more than the seller since it is being sold online and anyone can simply lie and say yes I am 21 to any website prompt. The only thing stopping these companies from putting out a half decent product was their own idiocy and greed.
LazyGamE If we were talking about Mario Kart selling booze you'd have a point but Fallout 76 is rated 18+ where I live. It's ("Officially" like Robocop) intended for adults.
@Klixe123 Are you seriously gonna pretend you were joking? At least take responsibility for your opinions, ever if they're shit, it's cowardly to do any else.
Literal Nuka-Cola corporation standards, i.e. a ridiculously overpriced bad quality product, just like the Nuka-Cola corporation would sell. I think Bethesda might be taking the Fallout lore a little too seriously and trying to role play as a corporation from the Fallout timeline...
"we made a bottle of rum in plastic instead of glass to have the casing represent a vault" ... Instead of let's say, a bottle made of glass to represent... A bottle made of glass?
the bottling company said "would be twice as expensive had they used a glass mold" it's on that source link he provided in the summary. Personally, I just think they wanted to increase their "profit" margins (reducing cost to make bottle and using cheap rum) (Bethesda is supposed to receive all profits from the nuka dark rum sale)
@@alexhurlbut No, hes saying the plastic version is twice as expensive than the glass version would have been, and that they went with the plastic one because its more premium. Which is complete bullshit.
@@gamergeek494 oh what, I have to read it again slowly and more carefully. They went with plastic which cost two times more than simply casting the bottle as glass?
@@alexhurlbut Thats what the statement says. Now I have no idea about costs, especially limited run productions like this so I cant speak to wether plastic or glass would be more or less expensive than the other. But the fact that he says they took the more expensive route for the obviously lesser product says a lot about their intelligence or the bullshit on display in their response.
It likely cost double to R&D. There's no way a normal bottle, mediocre rum and a Matchbox toy costs more per unit in bulk than casting each of those bottles with fins in glass and a decent rum.
Having done plastic mold design and CNC, they are lying. Glass is much more expensive to make and mold. Also, there is no code written. There is a 3D model in a computer, then the programs create the code. The programs create all the CNC pathing for the mold making, tell which cutters to use, etc. It's mostly automated. Lying their asses off.
Brother Malachai Paper. They tried garbage bags, but eventually decided to go with the paper bags that were 2x more expensive for the “big and bold” factor.
Lol it’s so bullshit. Glass looks way better than plastic and they know it. They probably just cheaped out and picked plastic. I bet it only costs $20 to make each bottle.
Hundreds of hours? You know what, challenge accepted. I'm going to make the bottle in fusion 360, from start to finish and print one. Let's see how long it takes. I'm not even any good with fusion.
they spent 100 hours writing code to make a bottle casing for a bottle they already know the shape of it should only take a few hours or at max 7-10 hrs not 100
Bruh, they said it took them hundreds of hours to "write the code for the 3d print". Wtf? What can take hundreds of hours is the modelling. Wich I doubt it took that long. To 3D print you only have to export the file on .stl format. It's a 2 second process.
"We are sorry that you feel deceived" -I hate people who try to do that. You can't apologize for something you have no control of. With the word "sorry" roughly meaning "I wish this never happened". That statement translates as I wish you didn't feel that way. Which is such a pretentious and uncaring thing to tell your customer.
I find it more insulting that they say "that you feel..." like we werent actually deceived, we just feel like it, and thats more pretentious and uncaring
"If you don't like our rum's glassware and false advertising, write us an essay on the Better Business Bureau. We'll acknowledge your complaints by paying to have your essay removed." edit: typo
They won't pay to have your essay removed. They'll just threaten the Bureau with lawsuits. Scums are too greedy to shell out money unless they have no other choice.
@@bologna3048 It's all fault of preorder culture, really; buying blindly. Although if you saw the previous video on this topic by YongYea, there was definitely some misleading presentation as they started advertising (and selling) before even finalizing the product. It's not very unlike the Canvas Bag situation too from the Power Armor Edition.
As a rum drinker and gamer I was initially intrigued but the price and the fact I'm in the UK meant I was definitely going to wait for reviews. I'm not surprised it would taste bad. Big warning is the prominence of "caramel color" - to me this screams of cheap white rum with added colour and flavourings, not golden or dark rum matured properly in casks (which takes years so no surprise). Their "sommelier" should know at least that if he truly is someone with that qualification but stick to wine and not mess around with subtle spirits he obviously doesn't know anything about. Hell what I consider a cheap rum I'd buy for myself costs £20 ($25), a decent one costs way more. This means, with no great surprise, that most of the cost is down to the IP from fallout, which judging by the taste reviews and my own suspicions make up around 90-95% of the cost with the rum being swill you couldn't sell any other way. Coupled with the shoddy plastic outer, and yes I don't accept the insane excuse (for instance 100 hours for 3D modelling means you're either really bad at it or plain talking crap), my summary says - RIP OFF !
vereybowring Hey I’m just getting in to Rum, can you name a few for me, in the UK too. I’ve tried Kraken, but then tried Black Magic which I found way better. Is Havana good?
@@redlightning0001 All comes down to taste and there are white, golden, dark and they can be spiced also (I prefer unspiced gold rums mostly). When looking at rum decide which "colour" suits your taste buds best and next consideration is age - like whisky the longer they age it usually the smoother and more flavoursome is the rum. Havana club is fine for general mixing e.g. rum and coke and some of their more aged versions are fine for drinking solo. My favourite cheaper rum is called Mount Gay (unfortunate name but nice). In my younger days I drank the full dark rums like Woods 100 but that is more to do with alcohol level than taste as the strong dark rums tend to be far "warmer" on the way down lol.
@@redlightning0001 My Dad's very fond of Rumbullion Navy Strength. He also likes Kraken, Lamb's, El Dorado 12 year, but he said Rumbullion's by far his favourite. Very noticeable vanilla bouquet.
They're not sorry, that's the issue. They're saying "We don't want you to feel this way, stop bitching, stop giving us bad press and shut the hell up so you can buy our shit. We can do whatever we want, scam whomever we want, and we'll get away with it. STFU.". That's my estimation at least.
It's not even basically what they're saying; it's literally what they're saying. "... we are sorry that you feel that you were in any way deceived" is a direct apportioning of blame onto the consumer, telling people that they shouldn't be feeling deceived in the first place. That said, I'll give a modicum of respect for ANY response. This is only the bottling company's response and they should have never been obliged to issue a statement at all; that should be Bethesda, who commissioned these plastic bottles on behalf of THEIR paying customers.
I mean you can write gcode which gives instructions for how to machine it. Yes its a horrible way to do it, especially for prototypes on a cnc machine or printer, but it can be done.
@@tankkiler308 Wouldn't be surprised if that is what they were going for. Sounds like whoever did this was inexperienced and wants rewarded for their hard work attempting to do something the wrong way
@@AesculapiusPiranha if someone wanted to try to write g-code for this bottle and their not a CNC god, then its gonna one hell of a time and actually makes sense, even the npc's at headquarters are glitched lol
@Zanard Bell Dude... it's a fucking bottle. A day? Should take less than an hour, and that's being completely new to the software. Not counting textures ofc, not that they'd need any for a printable 3D model.
There is no "coding" involved in creating a 3D model to be printed. The PR department clearly has no fucking clue what they're talking about. The "100 hours coding" is just bullshit, maybe _MAYBE_ it took 100 hours of 3D modelling but if that is accurate, fire your designer(s) right now. Immediately.
*"Over 100 hours were spent writing the code to create the 3D-printed prototype of the shells"* - Said the guy that clearly had no idea how 3D printing works... - How stupid is this guy or rather how stupid does he think the customers are.... I can't decide which one.
To further add insult to injury as well, the "glass is too expensive to mass produce" Is another bs excuse as well considering a 3D mold print of a glass bottle of that design (and for the sake of matching its 750ml bottle inside the plastic case) A 750ml glass bottle with a few bits of excess glass IE: the arms for the rocket bottle, would cost around 0.05 to 0.16 cents per bottle made, and it's really sad to see how much of a blatant cash grab this has become. I'm thankful I didn't get either fallout 76, or nuka cola dark, and I hope the ones who did buy either one honestly get their money back or at least file a law suit against bethesda for fraud by omission (I think that's the correct term here) But as it stands now, the grave these people keep digging with their golden guilded shovels is only getting deeper and their rope to safety is breaking
I doubt they ever expected to have a million plus production run so those bottles are probably going to be about five bucks each after all's said and done. Still a far cry from eighty goddamn dollars and, get this, they could've gotten away with it too! People would've just been talking about how shitty their watered-down rum would taste and none of them would be aware of some dumb fuck prototype that involved injection molded plastic. Also you don't have a "3D mold print" you have mold that's been machined. Injection molded plastic calls for steel and you're not going to get away with anything less. Not for something that size and that complex.
It's not even just Bethesda most of AAA gaming this year has been digging a hole for itself. PUBG has been struggling since Fortnite got big. EA's complete failure of BFV and their PR department has hit them hard, Bethesda has done this, and Activision's hole is I guess the least severe out of the group though shows all the signs of modern shooters. Rockstar and RDR2 along with Epic Games and Fortnite are the only big games that managed to escape anything really bad.
@@y0l0wardog76 Blizzard left Activision, because of the stupid cash grab they were pushing Blizzard to include in Destiny 2. The only one left standing is Epic Games, because their motto seems to actually be "player experience first"!
In Britain it would definitely be false advertising, which could mean a huge fine from Trading Standards. Hope some people here take it to them. Thankfully I gave up on Bethesda half way through fallout 4.
At this point im just waiting for Bethesda to accidentally sell their company and accidentally close fallout 76 servers without giving its player refunds, then asking for their credit card info to give refunds and accidentally take all the money from the account.
They were supposed to shut down their servers at the start of 2019, so no one would realize the nukes weren't programmed, but the shutdown command was bugged.
@@DukeWooze yeah that what I am thinking about.........them curve......them shape.........ouff that would be smoking hot mate.....but if men wearing them pls nooo unless u are gay or something...
That "cost over 2X" what a glass version would cost is bullshit. If that is what they billed Bethesda for, then Bethesda got taken for a ride (and they deserve it, frankly). There is no way in hell such a cheap plastic mold wold cost more than a quality glass one.
Actually sadly blowing glass in a mold can be cheaper then a plastic mold. Glass is fairly simple where as plastic can be a right pain in the ass. Also remember if they made the glass bottle they wouldn't have to buy a bottle and make the plastic mold so ya they spent more to make a lesser product. Also plastic because its annoying to work with ya they literally chose the harder more difficult option that is also worse. The level of stupid is hilariously high.
It's a glass bottle INSIDE a plastic bottle. So I guess that might be how they are coming up with "cost over 2x". They probably got taken for a ride though, or it might be nepotism.
"This is a project we are extremely proud of..." Oh I'm sure you are, you were able to swindle customers out of $80 for a bottle of shitty rum in a cheap plastic shell.
There’s a spanish channel called *”Whathegame”* that used your video to make his own and he didn’t mentione you. He do speaks english if you wanna talk to him
Obsidian: "yeah we decided to team with Microsoft and make a spiritual successor to the fallout franchise" Bethesda: "that's fine with us" Obsidian: "really?" Bethesda: *proceeds to destroy the fallout franchise* Bethesda: "seriously its fine don't worry about it" Bethesda is like that ex-girlfriend that acted like she was too good for you while you were together but now that you left her and found another girlfriend, she burns everything you ever gave her and wants to kill you.
Dude I worked at a plastics molding factory, glass in this situation as a smaller limited run type item would definitely be cheaper to produce than plastic
Thats even worse they could spend less money on a product that everyone was expecting instead they spend more money to make some plastic shit nobody wanted lmao
@@Cryten0 yes glass isn't that expensive even more so if adding recycled glass that only needs 50% of the heat to be melted down compared to making fresh new glass from silica sand
Activision: We are going to be the worst n most hated company of 2018!!! EA: Don't make me laugh rookie! Nobody can be worst than us! Bethesda: Hold my rum
So instead of EA's "hold my beer" Bethesda has rum? um At least they get rum though you get drunk faster with rum than beer ... at least with my test of rum vs beer anyhow.
3D printing is cheap for prototyping, making a product by 3D printing isn’t cheaper than by molding. It can be more expensive, depends on the amount made. Still cheap, since it’s plastic.
they 3d print a prototype so they dont have to fully produce a new model every time they make a new design until they have a good production model ready
why do they need to take 100 hours writing code ? Surely a simple 3d model created in any 3d modelling app would have been sufficient imfo for a 3d printer..or is there something more complicated about using 3d printers that im ignorant about?
@@renfield2020 i can confirm 3d printers can use (and that is what they use 95% of the time) 3d models from different 3d modeling softwares. And this bottle would take an average 3d designer maybe 2 or 3 hours for a parametric model, making it easy to modify and tweak. I am willing to bet no more than 10 hours were spent on the finished model for the case
That was the best part. People complained that they used a cheap plastic shell instead of a glass bottle, and their response was to say how *not cheap* it was and if they went with glass it would have been the cheap option. They just don't get it. People obviously wanted a glass product, they had glass prototypes, and they still chose to go with the bad-looking and more expensive option anyway. It baffles the mind.
The fuss about the glass is just stupid, this is a better product for collectors IMO. The response given though is absolute BS and very poor as an apology.
@@underwaterdick I mean people where expecting a cool glass bottle not a glass bottle in a big plastic shell and let's be honest glass is better than plastic
@@freshlyfishedbread5567 people were expecting, but we're never directly promised this. Glass is not better for collectors, I buy Scottish Whisky and collect the packaging and bottles. The bottle is great for containing the liquid, bit a bugger to collect because it is so fragile. Displaying all that glass isn't easy. The metal tins and cardboard boxes that whisky comes in (which often bear no resemblance to the shape or size of bottle) are much easier to collect, so more people keep those instead. I think most alcohol collectors would be happy with this, but obviously not video gamers aparently.
As a technical produktdesigner who nearly 3d-prints every day at work i can tell you that you could finish the whole thing EXcluding the printing time in like 5 minutes... the model already exists from the game, even if they needed to overwork the model then (if you have even a bit knowledge in CAD) you max. need like 2h for this if you really want the details. So you just need to export it as a .stl, import it into your slicer and the programm writes all the .gcode that your 3d-printer needs for you... that's it, there isn't that much more you could do... like an acetone afterfinish or something like that. Now for the printing time... if they just need a prototype model they could easily print with a layer hight of 0.2mm and a 0.4mm nozzle, since it's just a mode and doesn't need to withstand any mechanical forces 10 or even 5 % infill is enough. I would guess the print itself with those settings wouldn't take more than 20h. So they could do this easily in one day without writing any code at all!
I totally agree. I mainly do 3D printing as a hobby and even then, this seems like a super easy design to make. Hell, I might take a crack at making my own version of this later today as a present for my dad, as he's a huge Fallout fan.
Yeah, the bit about a cheap plastic shell costing more than a glass mold is total, utter, and complete bullshit. I've talked to people who produce original bottles and they were saying how one single glass mold for a bottle runs upwards of 200 000 euro + thats roughly 300 000 USD
Agree - I went oO to that time estimate... If it took that long, it would've likely been cheaper to outsource the design to a professional than spend 100h pissing around trying to do it yourself. Would imagine the formation of a few glass moulds would be far more expensive than paying someone to sort out the 3D model for the plastic mould they went with. Maybe 2x is accurate on the unit cost, but I don't feel it's accurate on the overall cost.
....Why didn't they just sell the plastic shell? Collectors would've still bought that for $20 or even more as they will buy damn near any limited product if branded with the thing they love. I would know because I am one. Seems like a needlessly huge waste and an easily avoidable nightmare for such little possible gain .__.
Worth noting this isn't even a real dark rum. The label generically calls it 'rum' with flavoring and coloring added to it. Real dark rum is brewed and distilled from molasses or other darker sugar products and often aged for longer than other rums, resulting in a darker color and a stronger flavor. This stuff is probably a cheaper un-aged 'silver rum' that's had color and flavor added, but with a name (Nuka Dark) that implies it's a true dark rum. Just go buy a bottle of Cruzan Black Strap and save yourself the money.
@@atomic_wait Sorry to not be on topic, but I've never tried actual dark rum, only normal rum. By stronger flavor, does it have more of a kick than normal rum?
@@SurmaSampo Yeah, I would consider this to be in the middle ground between proper rum and a liqueur. Heavily flavored, sugar added, etc. Coconut rum schnapps by another name.
A hacker could rip the existing nuka cola file and import it into Pepakura, and then a 3d printing app in hours. No work necessary, just digging and filetype conversions. Fuck bethesda, their fans make superior replica props.
I literally know nothing of 3D design, yet I know I could in about 2-3 days time learn all the 3D design (3D printing aswell) basics online (TH-cam, etc.), then apply the learned knowledge to design that same plastic shell. Over 100 hours of programming just for the prototype shell? Complete BS!
They released the Rum to try and make their money back for lost sales of the Fallout 76. The drink looks like a last minute rushed cash grab, just like the game was. Disgraceful
And now it appears they are planning to recoop their losses by rushing Elder Scrolls 6 to market /this year/. We are witnessing the death throws of this company.
something is wrong with the people who are foolishly paying for it. at this point the relationship between game companies and their customers is an enabling one. until stupid people atop giving these people money, nothing will change. people are still buying destiny 2 dlc ffs.
it's actually shows that Bethesda is doing well as a rum company than a game developer, not necessarily dangerous, they can just switch business rather than go bankrupt
“We spent hundreds of hours writing the code for the 3D printed prototype” As a robotics student who’s built a 3D printer from scratch, you don’t “write code” for a 3D object. You 3D model it using a program. At most, it would take 24 hours if you have a C average student making the model considering it breaks in half. Once you get half done, it’s a copy and paste. Hell, if I wasn’t so lazy, I could whip up a prototype during my free time in school. I wonder if the plastic bottle was Bethesda’s doing despite the complaints of silver screen. Maybe silver screen signed a contract saying they have to take the blame or they have to act like it was their (SS) idea
No no you just don't get it. They were so dedicated creating the best bottle ever that they didn't use a 3D printing program but they created one from scratch specifically for helping them with the design of this bottle.
Preordering for a phsyical limited edition item is acceptable. The mistake here was: the bottle company was vague, people trusted bethesda, that they would ensure quality and bought the bottle anyway. Takeway; dont buy a vague product. Preordering something virtual and something like this are 2 different animals.
@@miniclip1162 I disagree, even back then collectibles are bought from stores and you queue up for them. Don't like the actual product? don't buy it, simple as that, with pre-ordering the producers can do whatever they want, if you don't like it? come sue us, see the problem?
Almost feels like they got the pre orders and then decided to go with the plastic since it'd be cheaper. Notice how in the marketing it never explicity shows or says what its made out of or anything. It's vague enough that they can say they delivered exactly what was promised even though it's a shittier product.
@@DarkOps4 HDR in RDR2 is fake and they thought PS4 Pro should be upscaled which makes it look blurry. I don't see why you are implying RDR2 is flawless unless you played on XBOX ONE X.
"We were very deliberate in the creation of this product..." If you mean creating a product that is literally a regular bottle of bad rum inside of a plastic container AND charging more than a bottle of good rum in a good glass bottle, *well, you were deliberate, all right!*
@@MST3Killa And why should i pay more for the gimmick when the cost for them is the same or lower to make it? Is the same shit that brands do when they make half ass products and still want us to pay big because their fucking logo is on it. No, fuck you, i ain't paying for your logo!
I don't drink alcohol, but even if I did, I would never buy such a bad rum. And the fancy plastic container? Definitely not worth it for the price tag, I'd rather buy a 3D print, learn how to use it AND make one. THAT would be well spent money to me!
It always seemed to me like a wasted opportunity that Bethesda never partnered with Coke to make legit ass Nuka Cola. I feel like there would have been a decent amount of money in that.
Coke would just have to slightly alter their bottling line to add little fins to their bottles, making a hybrid bottle of coke and nuka and that would have been received better than this.
@@The_Queen_Chrysalis Right? It would have been such easy money, plus you don't need to throw together some shitty rum, just use Coke. Like, 0 effort put in and a promotional item people would have fallen all over themselves to get because its a main game well known item, not just a reference an item only introduced in the objectively worst Fallout story dlc ever. Plus Coke actually has the money and facilities to make a half decent bottle.
Agree. They still have glass factory bottles in some countries, just a few hundred thousand bucks spent to alter factory settings & the official nuka cola branding on it. Boom, Bob is now your uncle.
I work in a glass bottle factory, I know the prices. A full set of custom moulds (including spares) for the most modern machine (called IS) is around 70.000€, 80.000€ max. And it lasts for about 7.000.000 bottles (you have to take into consideration an average of 5% bad bottles).
MrCipasa these numbers have no backing and he's just saying shit to try to sound informed. While I don't support Bethesda, this comment just stood out as fuckin stupid
4:23 I am a 3d Design student and I can tell you THAT statement over there from the bottling company is a steaming pile of bullshit - no one takes about 100 hours to get the "code" right for the bottle with the shape of Nuka-Cola. A friend of mine made the design for a special project and did the entire bottle (in transparent plastic, not glass) in less than HALF that time. Sliver Screen Bottling Co. is so full of shit. If you read this, don't pay for that crap. The bottle is a damn joke and the rum is a cheap knock-off imitation of alcohol spiced with lemon and coconut (overkill with the coconut if I dare say).
I bet if someone wanted to, a fan could make a homemade one of glass pretty damn easy. Also, in what world is plastic more expensive than glass? Lol you can literally get a nice plastic hand guard for a gun irl for less than 30 bucks. 80 bucks for a plastic shell for a bottle is a scam
It's not just a bottle. It's also rum. The design is very poor, but I can see how it could be a collectable too. They just messed up big on the design (only because they didn't specify enough?
I assume it's disappointing to see such a cool concept only for it to be drastically different from what they promised. They very well could do it, but it probably sucks a lot that they'd HAVE to in order to mitigate this shitshow.
I think my absolute favorite part of their apology response was where they said the design and manufacturing of the plastic covers cost twice as much as just using a glass bottle in the same shape. So if it's both cheaper, easier, and more efficient to make the glass bottle that everyone wanted in the first place, WHY NOT JUST MAKE THE FUCKING GLASS BOTTLE?!
Nuka Cola bottles are clearly meant to evoke the design of 50's soda bottles with a light rocketship motif. Those bottles would have all been done in glass. I'm sorry you spent so much time struggling to modify a Nuka Cola bottle model from the game, but come on. You should have just 3D printed a mould and used opaque dark beer bottle glass to cast it. Sure, it wouldn't be as huge nor as velvety, but it would feel authentic to the time period the product is supposed to evoke. The plastic makes no sense as it affects pour quality, since it's flush with the neck of the actual bottle. You could have just scaled down the design and refit the cork on the screwcap topper. I'm not even a product designer and I can tell these are amateur hour mistakes. You designed a prop when you were supposed to make a replica.
Pretty much what I was thinking. How a bottling company made this design mistake is beyond me. I agree with the liquor guys in Yong's video; Nuka Dark was a cash grab.
@@y2kplus9 Exactly. People are treating this as if it was a mistake or oversight, but it wasn't creating these bottles wouldn't be difficult at all for a bottling company. The entire goal was simply to put out something cheap, market it deceptively, and overcharge for it...ie: cash grab.
@@bologna3048 The same way they mass-produce those skull-shaped liquor bottles, I'd imagine. There IS a way to do it cost-effectively, from what I've seen, and you can always mark it up the ass as a collector's item if the glass mould is expensive. Again, people wouldn't have minded if it was an authentic-looking replica.
@@bologna3048 Well, then don't mass produce it at all- do a limited run with hand-blown glass. Or hell, just take a standard round bottle design, widen it a little at the base and give it a nice curve inwards, and add the rounded rocket fairings in the labelling phase as plastic brace. Melt it onto the glass to make it stick, maybe, or make it part of the sleeve, or do something like how they did the plastic topper for the cork as a screw cap. There is no way in hell a bottling company can't widen and narrow a round glass bottle to spec. If their equipment is THAT specialized, give up on novelty product lines entirely! Or if you REALLY want to go the plastic route, just make it like a few milimeters thick and for fuck's sake, don't choke the neck in plastic!
You can get an apology from Bethesda, but you have to buy it in the Fallout 76 Atom Shop for 50,000 atoms. That's half price as the apology usually goes for 100,000 atoms. Limited time only.
Oh, shit. It's on sale despite never being for sale before? What a bargain. Do I just give you my credit card info here, or would you rather leak my personal data later?
It is? :O I thought the mod team asked Bethesda if it was fine and Bethesda told them that because of the popular actors they couldn't use their voices in the mod due to licensing issues and thats where that mod ended.
You realize the game company has nothing to do with the bottling company? Just self grandstanding at the expense of already rightful issues with the gaming company. However, this isn’t the same thing. Guess I’m unsubscribing
While Silver Screen Bottling Company issues a self-aggrandizing response rather than a proper apology, Bethesda continues to hide like a coward. Smh.
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They're absolutely full of crap all they had to do is take a regular bottle put fins on it and give it a darker look there you've got Nuka Cola dark rum. Not anything that was hard to do. The only thing this company has done is exactly like the video game industry put the least amount of work and charge you to the hilt for the piece of crap that they give you. So this company that made this product is no better than the industry that they were making it for they're like two peas in a pod.
YongYea,
There is another video I just saw about a company that is called G2A. Not sure if you have heard of it, but it makes me worried on their business practices and how they might influence other companies to do the same. Could you take a look at this video in your free time?
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Video ^
I can't believe EA actually has a rival in "Worst Company of the Year"
Ain't that the goddamn truth. But this dumpster fire just keeps having more fuel thrown onto it.
I have a feeling it will only get worse. There will probably more rivals coming, with how the industry is going
Don't forget about activison tooo
2 rivals.
I have a very hard time choosing EA for this year. Their shitstorms have an air of greed, but Bethesda has both greed and incompetence.
I'm a 3D design engineer. First, no one wrote any 'code' to produce a 3D model of that bottle. They just opened a 3D modeling program. Second, the design is so basic it would not even take one hour to make a production ready 3D model. Simply put; Silver Screen Bottling Company is lying.
Exactly my first thought. There is absolutely no way in hell this took 100+ hours. Just look at that design! Someone had their modeling program open, pulled up a picture of a Nuka bottle, and just copied that. And hour, maybe a couple if they don't know exactly what they're going for. If it took 100+ hours, fire your modeling team immediately.
Edited because I can't spell.
Maybe I should try printing it myself.
As a Russian hacker, I disagree.
@@cliffturbo2146 That would be a neat idea. Design it so it can fit a standard liquor bottle.
@@xpstudios4183 as a attack helicopter I disagree more
"We decided a glass bottle might break in your nylon dufflebag."
We ran out of matrials.
@@Judgementxxx Glass is very rare.
Hey now! Don't you know that there is a serious Glass shortage?!!
With all that being said, could I interest you in 500 atoms?
This game is providing me with hours and hours of entertainment and I haven't even bought it.
Same xD
ditto! I almost bought it just so this would keep on going lol or at least to go in and see if the game is THAT bad. (I found out there's zero NPCs and decided not to)
i was deciding if i should get fallout 76 as i love fallout or red dead 2 but i wanted proper reviews on each and i obviously brought red dead 2
MrKagemitsu ikr
Liam Boyce You can pick up 76 for $8 brand new at a GameStop (depends on where you live)
So they spent months of design and made a bottle that can't even do what a normal bottle does.
Putting liquid in a cup.
I wish I could like your comment more than once xD
Hmmm, the perfect drink for Fallout 76...after all they spent all that time making a multiplayer Fallout game that couldn't even do what a single player Fallout could do.
Transferring would be a better word.
I bet they finalized it the first day*
Damm!!!! Your comment was pure fire 🔥
Unbeknownst to the purchaser, the casing was made from melted down Fallout 76 cases from games simply not able to be sold.
So this product doesn't sell either and need to be melted too. I wonder what they'll come up with next. A plastic middle finger?
Mixed with cases of the consoles melted by Fallout 76
Damn man, you need send Todd a complementary tube of burn ointment with that burn.
They were channeling inner ATARI ET games with this!
It's the bags, that's how cheap the "collectible" was.
It's actually a perfect metaphor. The vaults were never meant to save anyone, and this product was never meant to please anyone. Just serve the purposes of an amoral, money-grubbing corporation
I think "immoral" would be more accurate.
Amoral means neither good nor bad.
@@DreddPirateRoberts I was thinking more amoral in the lacking a moral compass sense, but immoral does fit a lot better. They have to have known people wouldn't be satisfied with the product, and I can't understand the shortsightedness that would lead to this mess they've made. But amoral ignorance does seem less likely after thinking about it
Lol ok now I understand ! It was their "artistic vision" !
I know for a fact people would've bought it if they had speculatively doubled the price just so they could get the bottle, even if Bethesda has tarnished their own brand, people would buy it. People will always keep coming back to companies that fuck them over, like little pay pigs, they'll buy lootbox after lootbox and down a refreshing $159.99 bottle of rum like the good customer they are. For sure the TH-cam game reviewers would snatch it up just so they have something to put in the background.
@@espalorp3286 and this is why ive said id rather put 50+ usd and commission someone to make a nuka cola bottle. Cause as always the fucking fans will do a better job than all of bethesda ever could.
I bet the rum doesn't even have any Rads in it. Tch.
No but Bethesda sure as hell does
Tch
@@Linneom i think you meant "rats"
Keta Andi fucking what mate?
Technically it would, since radiation is actually everywhere in small quantities.
Said it before, I'll say it again; Had the bottle been glass custom for the product I would have bought it at twice the price and thought it a steal. The moment they made it a plastic piece of crap that I can 3D print at home I stopped caring to spend even a dime.
I work in production and design with 3D Printers. If an employee told me they spent 100 hours designing and redesigning this I would have immediately ask if they were new or stupid. All you have to do is scale up the 3D glass model around the bottle of liqour, cut out the top for the cork, put in connection points on each half, put it into a slicing software, and press print. It is quite literally that easy. IF someone really did spend 100 hours on this they need to be fired for wasting company time and money.
Sunset Sasparilla never sounded so good.
@Alex M I don't even care about the contents is the problem. Could probably do a mixed something to tolerate it and clean it out thoroughly afterward. But my main gripe is with them saying they designed it as they did. It pisses me off because they're either lying through their teeth about the time they spent on it or the company as a whole is incompetent for allowing anyone to spend that much time on a plastic piece of crap that ANYONE who pours liquid out of a bottle could have told you would not work effectively. And the crap about them saying it would stand out on a bar? Wouldn't the shape of a glass bottle do the same? Incompetence taken to a whole other level.
Alex M forget it being disgusting the drink can't even pour out properly without having to spill everywhere
Yeah.. not even designing AND printing the prototype in parts on a 4" x 4" cheapo printer in your livingroom would take 100 hrs lol, these guys are full of it
100 hours of design yet it can't even be poured properly lol
It does honour the game. A hollow shell that disappointed people.
This^
DAMN. Shots fired.
Well played!
i'd add the overpriced thing aswell but spot on ^^
And anyone who uses it must be drunk...
Bethesda will give us 500 Atoms again, and the Nuka Dark Rum skin will be 1000 Atoms.
Andrew Greer They're basically treating us like toddlers, taking away our candy just to give us something different.
Nepuutunes profile pic sauce?
It will actually be 1100 atoms so you have to buy the 500 pack twice
This
Nepuutunes All Neps think alike, I must stop this hive mind.
To think when EA was going through the shitstorm, I praised Bethesda for not going down the route of greed, oh how that changed.
Expect the unexpected
Roman Bellic You’d understand at the time, the idea of me not ever thinking more and more companies would make the same mistake one after the other.
That feeling when the one you've looked up to becomes as bad and despicable as the one you've been criticizing...
Paid mods were enough already.
Bethesda was one of the first studios to try microtransactions in their games... Look up "oblivion horse armor 2006" and welcome to microtransactions before even EA was using them :D. Trust me you aren't the only Bethesda fan to turn the other way to all the glaring signs this was coming. And don't even get me started on the "creation club controversy."
*"It cost over 2X what it would have cost* if we would have simply cast a glass mold."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sounds reasonable, i'll order two. -super smart gamer
But its true on 1 part though 😂
Glass is at least twice as expensive as plastic. But twice the selling price??? 😂😂 i think not
THEN CAST THE FUCKING GLASS MOLD!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, why jack up the price if they could:
1- Make a cheaper product
2- Increase the profits
3- BOTH!
That's the most retarded excuse I've ever heard since the Diablo Immortal debacle.
I mean, they did say "We were very deliberate in the creation of this product", so...
Andre Gon Do you guys not have glass?
The intent is to provide buyers with a sense of pride and accomplishment for buying our bottles.
I am never, ever, going to look at pride and accomplishment the same way after last year....
They probably talked like that to bethesda when they presented the product, which probably helped the product’s approval.
LMAO
Toaster hahaha. Good one!!
This had potential. From a marketing standpoint this could have easily depleted Silver's stock of Nuka Rum and had demand for more. But they fucked it up; as seems to be the growing trend with Bethesda recently.
Saw Bethesda on Steam's list for "Best Developer of 2018."
Is it safe to say they won't win?
Not against CDPR
Cj Dill but CDPR haven’t even made anything this year
@@Hys868 they made thronebreaker, which is an excellent game
CDPR doesnt need to do anything with how everything is going these days, plus its CDPR. no way in hell its going to be anyone else.
@@Hys868 If so, at least they didn't make enormous mistakes like the others did.
They honored the game all right..... cheap and misleading....
Bouvard C. But it is an honor, *by Fallout 76 standarts*
Bouvard C. Plastic is more expensive than glass tho...
Alerian Gaming I think it is in most cases, but there are exceptions, besides, glass can be much more hygienic than plastic in many situations, some plastic types can start to break and release tiny particles of plastic that can be very poisonous at consumption, they usually break with heat, and I am talking about around 30~40 Celsius
As someone that works as a machine operator for a plastic injection moulding company, I can tell you that the cost of making those plastic shells is not as high as they want it to sound like. The only expensive part of the entire process is the price of the tool that has to be made to mass produce them. These can cost around £10,000 - £50,000, depending on the size and complexity of the tool, and I can easily see from the shape and details of the shells that they are not complex. Additionally these tools can run for over a decade with very little loss in quality, giving it plenty of time to pay for itself and make a tidy profit.
Once the tool is made however, creating each mould costs mere pennies, and hundreds or even thousands can be made every single day at a very low cost. For example, my company makes parts of equal size to these bottles and each one costs the company around 50p to make, if not less than that, every single day in numbers bordering on thousands.
This is nothing less than a cash grab, attempting to sell supermaket value rum at an incredibly high price purely through novelty casing, at a time when the franchise involved is at it's lowest point and being watched by every games and media reporter waiting for them to make another mistake.
@ do you happen to own a microphone? because i believe your next move is to drop it and walk away.
I think they said it cost 2x more because the product still have a glass bottle inside the plastic shell. So, 2x more than a simple glass bottle.
They were 3D printed not injection molded.
People like you are why I love the internet, always great to hear some insider info, thank you !
@SugarDaddy1963 the engine is 20 years old actually
I am surprised the bottle was not made out of nylon.
Or cardboard stolen from a hobo
The shell probably is made out of nylon. PA66, a type of nylon, is one of the most common plastics for molding.
More like plastic...oh wait, it is.
@@jayleno2192 i'm not very informed about different 3d printing plastics, but is that cheap plastic they used on the nuka dark rum outer shell casing?
phonier than you the shell isn 3D printer, its inyected and by the looks it seems like cheap abs or pe
If they can make bottles that look like skulls for 40$, they should be able to make the rocket shape for the same price or cheaper!
And Crystal Skull is a pretty decent drink.
Yeah its pretty good, won the price for best vodka like 5 times so they could have put a lot more quality into their rum pretty dissapointing
Talking about Dan Akroyds vodka?
There's bottles of vodka shaped like AK47s so this is a sad excuse
@@sowhat3260 Or tequila shaped like a revolver.
You know you screwed up when the people who bought your plastic bottled rum can’t even drink their disappointment away because your rum is just as cheap as the bottle it came in
They should have had an open beta for the bottle.
b.e.t.a*** xd
Maybe after the beta, the bottle would have been, “b e t a”. I know it’s a stretch of a pun.
Probably would have really made people break it!
Beta anda switcha.
I would have been working or sleeping while they opened up the time frames for the beta lmao
Shoots self in foot. Shoots self in other foot. Cuts off arms. Proceeds to crawl forward by failing.
Requirements to join Bethesda marketing team.
Remember-------> it just works.
It's just a flesh wound!
This reminded me of a shitty Japanese baseball manga where the main character broke his right hand pitching, then broke his left hand, and finally becomes a batter.
"Look, you stupid bastard! You've got no arms left!"
"Over 100 hours were spent writing the code to create the 3d-printed prototype"
Damn i want three doses of whatever that "coder" and the writer of these statements had during the making
It takes time to make 3d models on a commodore 64. They can't just get a new system when everyone is so used to the one they have.
@@Here_is_Waldo Commodore 64 nah bro that is too expensive! Are you kidding me they probably used a typewritter to make the "CODE" for the supposed 3d model. Lmao
@@Here_is_Waldo You meant a vault tec terminal ;)
I JUST CNANOT BELIEVE WITH THIS REASON!
If only they spent 100 hours on writing their own damn code to fix the bugs we've had in their engine for the past 10 years...
"We deliberately spent more money on shitty plastic than cheap glass and at least decent rum" Seriously, like, they couldn't have made the cheap glass bottle and then partnered with Capt Morgan or Bacardi for a decent rum? How the hell do some people have a business?
@LazyGamE Ummm.... There is real rum in that bottle, just really crummy rum. While kids do play games, so do adults who are the target audience for this product or did you miss that whole part? Also, what is a fucking photo ID? Seriously there is plenty of shit that MUST be signed for and MUST be checked with a valid photo id when delivered to one's house. If the delivery service doesn't do its due diligence then they would be on the hook for legal repercussions more than the seller since it is being sold online and anyone can simply lie and say yes I am 21 to any website prompt. The only thing stopping these companies from putting out a half decent product was their own idiocy and greed.
@LazyGamE Ummm...you do know that adults play computer games, right?
LazyGamE If we were talking about Mario Kart selling booze you'd have a point but Fallout 76 is rated 18+ where I live. It's ("Officially" like Robocop) intended for adults.
@Klixe123 Worst excuse I've ever heard.
@Klixe123 Are you seriously gonna pretend you were joking?
At least take responsibility for your opinions, ever if they're shit, it's cowardly to do any else.
I was supposed to get my bottle today but my delivery driver glitched into a wall.
I suppose it's better than being trampled by one of their Brahmin....
Do you want fallout points as a refund
@@hazmat9279 lmao 😂😂😂
My courier got shot in the head and went a savage revenge murder spree
@TheHobbitMonster that's ironic..... because it's in vegas..... get it? Cus gambling? Ok I'll show myself out...
100% up to fallout standard, I don't understand what make people mad since they clearly state that it was up to fallout standard.
It took me a second to get it 😂
Almost a woooosh
To be fair, they should precise "Fallout 76 standard" (or "Bethesda 2018 standard")
"Your joke is good and you should feel good!"
Literal Nuka-Cola corporation standards, i.e. a ridiculously overpriced bad quality product, just like the Nuka-Cola corporation would sell. I think Bethesda might be taking the Fallout lore a little too seriously and trying to role play as a corporation from the Fallout timeline...
True, it's sad to see said standards to be so damn low.
"we made a bottle of rum in plastic instead of glass to have the casing represent a vault" ... Instead of let's say, a bottle made of glass to represent... A bottle made of glass?
the bottling company said "would be twice as expensive had they used a glass mold" it's on that source link he provided in the summary. Personally, I just think they wanted to increase their "profit" margins (reducing cost to make bottle and using cheap rum) (Bethesda is supposed to receive all profits from the nuka dark rum sale)
@@alexhurlbut No, hes saying the plastic version is twice as expensive than the glass version would have been, and that they went with the plastic one because its more premium. Which is complete bullshit.
@@gamergeek494 oh what, I have to read it again slowly and more carefully. They went with plastic which cost two times more than simply casting the bottle as glass?
@@alexhurlbut Thats what the statement says. Now I have no idea about costs, especially limited run productions like this so I cant speak to wether plastic or glass would be more or less expensive than the other. But the fact that he says they took the more expensive route for the obviously lesser product says a lot about their intelligence or the bullshit on display in their response.
It likely cost double to R&D. There's no way a normal bottle, mediocre rum and a Matchbox toy costs more per unit in bulk than casting each of those bottles with fins in glass and a decent rum.
4:14 "Not dramatic enough" well plastic sure is dramatic, will all the drama going through.
Having done plastic mold design and CNC, they are lying. Glass is much more expensive to make and mold. Also, there is no code written. There is a 3D model in a computer, then the programs create the code. The programs create all the CNC pathing for the mold making, tell which cutters to use, etc. It's mostly automated. Lying their asses off.
They tell that in the hope we are stupid enough to belive it
is that a surprise?
And that lie would have worked if they told it to a non tech savvy costumer. Standard for the industry, sad to say.
Nice to see a fellow CNC user. I'm leaning how to use one in my highschool. It's really fun and cool
@JosieCat lol, you can make 2 and sell one of them in the next 5-10 years for profit
We're sorry you feel deceived = We're sorry you're calling us out on our deliberate deceptive marketing.
Thats exactly the word that came to my mind when i was watching the video
Ironic that a bottle of rum costs more than Fallout 76 itself. That's our first sign that this was a ripoff.
Did it come in a garbage bag?
Brother Malachai Paper. They tried garbage bags, but eventually decided to go with the paper bags that were 2x more expensive for the “big and bold” factor.
Using glass not dramatic enough.....uses plastic and they got plenty of drama now.
Lol it’s so bullshit. Glass looks way better than plastic and they know it. They probably just cheaped out and picked plastic. I bet it only costs $20 to make each bottle.
Hundreds of hours? You know what, challenge accepted. I'm going to make the bottle in fusion 360, from start to finish and print one.
Let's see how long it takes.
I'm not even any good with fusion.
Keep us posted bro you got this
they spent 100 hours writing code to make a bottle casing for a bottle they already know the shape of it should only take a few hours or at max 7-10 hrs not 100
Bruh, they said it took them hundreds of hours to "write the code for the 3d print".
Wtf? What can take hundreds of hours is the modelling. Wich I doubt it took that long. To 3D print you only have to export the file on .stl format. It's a 2 second process.
@@nadiedeinteres1285 hundreads of hours for the shape of a bottle that they should know the shape of easily?
PKTEK do this and post it on Thingiverse, I’m pretty sure you can do a better job
Refund? You will get 150 Atoms.
Neia Baraja *No refunds allowed until you pre order Fallout 5-75*
FinalSlayer bet they’ll all be on the same engine tho
@@ChimneyCrab737 Same engine lol. How embarrassing. Bethesda is a shame
They should be ashamed, honestly that’s insulting 😂😂😂
i hope they at least offer 8000 atoms before saying "yah actualy fuck atoms get your money back"
"We are sorry that you feel deceived"
-I hate people who try to do that.
You can't apologize for something you have no control of.
With the word "sorry" roughly meaning "I wish this never happened".
That statement translates as I wish you didn't feel that way. Which is such a pretentious and uncaring thing to tell your customer.
"We sincerely regret that you feel that way"
I find it more insulting that they say "that you feel..." like we werent actually deceived, we just feel like it, and thats more pretentious and uncaring
Another non-apology from Bugthesda. Weird flex, but okay.
Feel deceived? Now it's the customers fault and their irrational feelings.
They are the ones who were deceptive and they knew they were doing it from the start
"Over a 100 hours went in to writing a code for the bottle" that line made my day
"If you don't like our rum's glassware and false advertising, write us an essay on the Better Business Bureau. We'll acknowledge your complaints by paying to have your essay removed."
edit: typo
Write*
@@EsteemedReptile IT's nices to saw some 1 corracting grammers. I ca'nt stood incarrected whritings
They won't pay to have your essay removed. They'll just threaten the Bureau with lawsuits. Scums are too greedy to shell out money unless they have no other choice.
the better business bureau isn't government owned. you pay to be certified by them.
@@bologna3048 It's all fault of preorder culture, really; buying blindly. Although if you saw the previous video on this topic by YongYea, there was definitely some misleading presentation as they started advertising (and selling) before even finalizing the product. It's not very unlike the Canvas Bag situation too from the Power Armor Edition.
As a rum drinker and gamer I was initially intrigued but the price and the fact I'm in the UK meant I was definitely going to wait for reviews.
I'm not surprised it would taste bad.
Big warning is the prominence of "caramel color" - to me this screams of cheap white rum with added colour and flavourings, not golden or dark rum matured properly in casks (which takes years so no surprise). Their "sommelier" should know at least that if he truly is someone with that qualification but stick to wine and not mess around with subtle spirits he obviously doesn't know anything about.
Hell what I consider a cheap rum I'd buy for myself costs £20 ($25), a decent one costs way more. This means, with no great surprise, that most of the cost is down to the IP from fallout, which judging by the taste reviews and my own suspicions make up around 90-95% of the cost with the rum being swill you couldn't sell any other way. Coupled with the shoddy plastic outer, and yes I don't accept the insane excuse (for instance 100 hours for 3D modelling means you're either really bad at it or plain talking crap), my summary says - RIP OFF !
You Brits know your liquor. I don’t drink so it seems all so similar to me XD
I imagine Carmel Color isn’t exactly a sign of quality though XD
vereybowring Very enlightening comment, thank you
vereybowring Hey I’m just getting in to Rum, can you name a few for me, in the UK too. I’ve tried Kraken, but then tried Black Magic which I found way better. Is Havana good?
@@redlightning0001 All comes down to taste and there are white, golden, dark and they can be spiced also (I prefer unspiced gold rums mostly). When looking at rum decide which "colour" suits your taste buds best and next consideration is age - like whisky the longer they age it usually the smoother and more flavoursome is the rum. Havana club is fine for general mixing e.g. rum and coke and some of their more aged versions are fine for drinking solo. My favourite cheaper rum is called Mount Gay (unfortunate name but nice). In my younger days I drank the full dark rums like Woods 100 but that is more to do with alcohol level than taste as the strong dark rums tend to be far "warmer" on the way down lol.
@@redlightning0001
My Dad's very fond of Rumbullion Navy Strength. He also likes Kraken, Lamb's, El Dorado 12 year, but he said Rumbullion's by far his favourite. Very noticeable vanilla bouquet.
Basically they’re saying: “we’re sorry you feel this way of being deceived”
No they are saying I’m sorry you paid 80$ just to get scammed.
They're not sorry, that's the issue. They're saying "We don't want you to feel this way, stop bitching, stop giving us bad press and shut the hell up so you can buy our shit. We can do whatever we want, scam whomever we want, and we'll get away with it. STFU.". That's my estimation at least.
It's not even basically what they're saying; it's literally what they're saying.
"... we are sorry that you feel that you were in any way deceived" is a direct apportioning of blame onto the consumer, telling people that they shouldn't be feeling deceived in the first place.
That said, I'll give a modicum of respect for ANY response. This is only the bottling company's response and they should have never been obliged to issue a statement at all; that should be Bethesda, who commissioned these plastic bottles on behalf of THEIR paying customers.
You don't "Write code" to create a 3D model....
Yeah wtf are they saying 😂
If you did write code for a 3D model, the bottle would have a big neck, disappear randomly, and phase through walls.
I mean you can write gcode which gives instructions for how to machine it. Yes its a horrible way to do it, especially for prototypes on a cnc machine or printer, but it can be done.
@@tankkiler308 Wouldn't be surprised if that is what they were going for. Sounds like whoever did this was inexperienced and wants rewarded for their hard work attempting to do something the wrong way
@@AesculapiusPiranha if someone wanted to try to write g-code for this bottle and their not a CNC god, then its gonna one hell of a time and actually makes sense, even the npc's at headquarters are glitched lol
100+ hours coding just to make a plastic bottle???
Are they liars or do they just suck?
Why not both?
@Zanard Bell Blender is not made for 3d printing but it shouldn't take more than a day in any program.
@Zanard Bell Dude... it's a fucking bottle. A day? Should take less than an hour, and that's being completely new to the software. Not counting textures ofc, not that they'd need any for a printable 3D model.
It’d take 5 hours in solidworks... it’s not fuckin’ rocket science
There is no "coding" involved in creating a 3D model to be printed. The PR department clearly has no fucking clue what they're talking about. The "100 hours coding" is just bullshit, maybe _MAYBE_ it took 100 hours of 3D modelling but if that is accurate, fire your designer(s) right now. Immediately.
"it costs 2x what it would have if we would have simply cast a glass mold"
Then why did you do it.
Shoulda just saved costs and made it outta glass then :D
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"Fallout standards"
@@apieinthesky Yeah, it can't meet fallout standards unless they lose a lot of money going out of their way to fuck up the customer.
Not sure if you read that right... Means it would cost 2 times as much if they did cast it in glass.. which still is utter bs.
Honestly you can't write this stuff, the plastic bottle after the nylon bag!? Golden
Bethesda suicide note: "Bury me with a nylon bag at my feet and a plastic bottle at my head."
Ah, no, you see, this is a result of the glass shortage that followed the canvas shortage
I'm laughing so hard hahahahahahaha
And people thought EA was the worst.
Todd and his untold arrogance of greed is hilarious.
They say you can't mess rum or beer, then Bethesda came up with this.
Luis E Morales Falcon technically silver screen did but still
Whoever says you can´t mess up beer, didn´t try "Schaumburger Pilsner" beer, yet.
They needed MUNEH
Heh
you havent tried American beer have you
Bethesda: So people are saying Fallout 76 is shit... Now, how can we make those people actually taste that shit?
Nuka Dark Rum? Perfect.
This
I love this comment
At least it's more than Yong gives his Patreons in exchange for their money. Who's worse?
Harvard wants to know your location
It just works
"Vault of its own." So it's advertised as one thing, but is actually a social experiment?
Bethesda = VaultTec confirmed
Tell Lou that is your vault
Enjoy the fireworks
it's just a prank bro
1tmildew strike Bethesda
You've cracked the code.
*"Over 100 hours were spent writing the code to create the 3D-printed prototype of the shells"* - Said the guy that clearly had no idea how 3D printing works... -
How stupid is this guy or rather how stupid does he think the customers are.... I can't decide which one.
mufugen bixnood ikr I lost it at that part who on earth could actually be that clueless
Maybe the (obviously exaggerated) 100 hour figure includes the print time?
Hey, maybe some designer, paid by the hour, decided to write the gcode by hand :p
@@keilafleischbein59 yeah, for all bottles combined xD
There are some stupid people out there that would buy into the lie
To further add insult to injury as well, the "glass is too expensive to mass produce" Is another bs excuse as well considering a 3D mold print of a glass bottle of that design (and for the sake of matching its 750ml bottle inside the plastic case) A 750ml glass bottle with a few bits of excess glass IE: the arms for the rocket bottle, would cost around 0.05 to 0.16 cents per bottle made, and it's really sad to see how much of a blatant cash grab this has become. I'm thankful I didn't get either fallout 76, or nuka cola dark, and I hope the ones who did buy either one honestly get their money back or at least file a law suit against bethesda for fraud by omission (I think that's the correct term here) But as it stands now, the grave these people keep digging with their golden guilded shovels is only getting deeper and their rope to safety is breaking
I doubt they ever expected to have a million plus production run so those bottles are probably going to be about five bucks each after all's said and done. Still a far cry from eighty goddamn dollars and, get this, they could've gotten away with it too! People would've just been talking about how shitty their watered-down rum would taste and none of them would be aware of some dumb fuck prototype that involved injection molded plastic.
Also you don't have a "3D mold print" you have mold that's been machined. Injection molded plastic calls for steel and you're not going to get away with anything less. Not for something that size and that complex.
It's not even just Bethesda most of AAA gaming this year has been digging a hole for itself. PUBG has been struggling since Fortnite got big. EA's complete failure of BFV and their PR department has hit them hard, Bethesda has done this, and Activision's hole is I guess the least severe out of the group though shows all the signs of modern shooters. Rockstar and RDR2 along with Epic Games and Fortnite are the only big games that managed to escape anything really bad.
@@y0l0wardog76 Blizzard left Activision, because of the stupid cash grab they were pushing Blizzard to include in Destiny 2.
The only one left standing is Epic Games, because their motto seems to actually be "player experience first"!
In Britain it would definitely be false advertising, which could mean a huge fine from Trading Standards. Hope some people here take it to them. Thankfully I gave up on Bethesda half way through fallout 4.
At this point im just waiting for Bethesda to accidentally sell their company and accidentally close fallout 76 servers without giving its player refunds, then asking for their credit card info to give refunds and accidentally take all the money from the account.
Then say that they clearly had alternate intentions and that people should bear with it.
They were supposed to shut down their servers at the start of 2019, so no one would realize the nukes weren't programmed, but the shutdown command was bugged.
I wouldn't be surprise to be honest
I paid £24 on boxing Day, anyone paying about £24 was inpatient
This rum is giving you the Fallout 76 experience. Overpriced disappointment.
Hmm hmm very clever good sir
To rum's credit, it at least smells like coconut.
Oh snap!
Greed, Greed never changes.
Bethesda, Bethesda never changes.
"FUCK you! Give me your money ;D" - Bethesda
Can confirm.
Nice
2018: Lootboxes drama and shitty business practices
2019: Same as before, but starting to look like 1983 all over again.
What happened in 1983?
@@Yui_Delta , I think he reffers to the videogame crash of 1983 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983
They were just trying to make a bottle that reflected the quality of the game...
Kyle Hamrick lol nice 👏🏻
Mission accomplished, then!
So, what you are trying to say is that Todd Howard personally pissed in every single bottle?
100 hours? Did Bethesda write the code for the 3D printer?
The 3D printer software is probably based on the Creation Engine.
"it just works"
Damn.
Shots fired!!!!!
The bottle didn't clip through the shell and then start attacking me because I scratched my ass.
“ThIs Is A pRoDuCt We ArE eXtReMeLy PrOuD oF.”
Up to Fallout standards for sure.
Arctraxiel lmao 😂😂😂
So many quotes from clueless, tone-deaf companies lately, it's rather shocking.
Remember when they delayed release because it wasn't up to Fallout standarts? I'm pretty sure it was actually too good back then.
I am still waiting for the nylon Vault-suits :D
Hey they might look good on the ladies at least.
@@DukeWooze yeah that what I am thinking about.........them curve......them shape.........ouff that would be smoking hot mate.....but if men wearing them pls nooo unless u are gay or something...
@@Mr-Ad-196 Liken' dem curves.
@@DukeWooze curves i love
Make a crappy over-priced product that your customers didn't want? That is actually honouring the spirit of Fallout 76
Mike Mullen 🙏preach sister
That "cost over 2X" what a glass version would cost is bullshit. If that is what they billed Bethesda for, then Bethesda got taken for a ride (and they deserve it, frankly). There is no way in hell such a cheap plastic mold wold cost more than a quality glass one.
When the scammers get scammed...
The weird part is they made a plastic bottle...to store a glass bottle. HTF is this saving money?
Actually sadly blowing glass in a mold can be cheaper then a plastic mold. Glass is fairly simple where as plastic can be a right pain in the ass. Also remember if they made the glass bottle they wouldn't have to buy a bottle and make the plastic mold so ya they spent more to make a lesser product. Also plastic because its annoying to work with ya they literally chose the harder more difficult option that is also worse. The level of stupid is hilariously high.
It's a glass bottle INSIDE a plastic bottle. So I guess that might be how they are coming up with "cost over 2x". They probably got taken for a ride though, or it might be nepotism.
@@sharkexpert12 Didn't even use a plastic mold - they 3D printed them.
"This is a project we are extremely proud of..." Oh I'm sure you are, you were able to swindle customers out of $80 for a bottle of shitty rum in a cheap plastic shell.
@Michael Nilson Battlefront? I think you mean Black Ops 4
Bethesda: "sorry, we ran out of glass"
"It cost twice as much as glass would"...... Yeah, but that don't make it good, does it?
It's a plain lie, first and foremost.
did you here th pretentiousness of the statement? Glass is soo 2017, Shells are the new hot thing for vanity bars
The price gets people to think airpods are good.
TWICE THE COST
TWICE AS GOOD
They probably ran out of glass like they ran out of canvas.
*_ persuasion failed, customers will remember that_*
Nice comment.
It's just the beta bottle guys come on wait for the full release...
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It’ll be the same in two weeks when it’s fully released.
I'm sure modders will fix it. Somehow...
@@QuantumFluxable Modders are getting banned. Moonshiners are getting jailed.
Okay, but only if the glass bottle is a paid DLC.
There’s a spanish channel called *”Whathegame”* that used your video to make his own and he didn’t mentione you.
He do speaks english if you wanna talk to him
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@U562 omfg =))))))))))) so they are 3 wow
If he put commentary over it it's called "fair use" Nothing he could do.
kido fear English please?
Xev Jesus you’re fuming
Obsidian: "yeah we decided to team with Microsoft and make a spiritual successor to the fallout franchise"
Bethesda: "that's fine with us"
Obsidian: "really?"
Bethesda: *proceeds to destroy the fallout franchise*
Bethesda: "seriously its fine don't worry about it"
Bethesda is like that ex-girlfriend that acted like she was too good for you while you were together but now
that you left her and found another girlfriend, she burns everything you ever gave her and wants to kill you.
That's not their Microsoft game...
microsoft did not publish or have any involvement with outer world
Microsoft is not the publisher of Outer Worlds, but everything else is spot on.
Yandere
Muhammad Shamim true that microsoft isnt the publisher... but you do know that microsoft owns obsidian, right?
so they are indirectly involved.
Dude I worked at a plastics molding factory, glass in this situation as a smaller limited run type item would definitely be cheaper to produce than plastic
Thats even worse they could spend less money on a product that everyone was expecting instead they spend more money to make some plastic shit nobody wanted lmao
@@randomdude2546 They spent "more" money. "More". That's what they're trying to make you believe.
Would that apply to the very unusual shape required for a custom nuka cola bottle? the very wide bottom with the 70's sci fi space rocket fins?
@@Cryten0 yes glass isn't that expensive even more so if adding recycled glass that only needs 50% of the heat to be melted down compared to making fresh new glass from silica sand
@@RaytoRyu I dont care how much they spend tbh all i care is final product and deceptive marketing . Glad i didnt bought it
Activision: We are going to be the worst n most hated company of 2018!!!
EA: Don't make me laugh rookie! Nobody can be worst than us!
Bethesda: Hold my rum
This has been the worst year of bethesda ever
So instead of EA's "hold my beer" Bethesda has rum? um At least they get rum though you get drunk faster with rum than beer ... at least with my test of rum vs beer anyhow.
Frank Sunderland hold my canvas bag.
I was waiting for the "hold my rum" joke
Digital Homicide: and you all thought we were bad
3D printer says it all. They went for the cheap option. Greedy shmucks.
3D printing is cheap for prototyping, making a product by 3D printing isn’t cheaper than by molding. It can be more expensive, depends on the amount made.
Still cheap, since it’s plastic.
Yes, using a 3D printer for mass production is not a wise move.
they 3d print a prototype so they dont have to fully produce a new model every time they make a new design until they have a good production model ready
why do they need to take 100 hours writing code ? Surely a simple 3d model created in any 3d modelling app would have been sufficient imfo for a 3d printer..or is there something more complicated about using 3d printers that im ignorant about?
@@renfield2020 i can confirm 3d printers can use (and that is what they use 95% of the time) 3d models from different 3d modeling softwares. And this bottle would take an average 3d designer maybe 2 or 3 hours for a parametric model, making it easy to modify and tweak. I am willing to bet no more than 10 hours were spent on the finished model for the case
>garbage plastic shell costs 2X the cost of a glass bottle that everyone wanted
The incompetence on display here is astounding.
That was the best part. People complained that they used a cheap plastic shell instead of a glass bottle, and their response was to say how *not cheap* it was and if they went with glass it would have been the cheap option.
They just don't get it. People obviously wanted a glass product, they had glass prototypes, and they still chose to go with the bad-looking and more expensive option anyway. It baffles the mind.
The fuss about the glass is just stupid, this is a better product for collectors IMO.
The response given though is absolute BS and very poor as an apology.
@@underwaterdick I mean people where expecting a cool glass bottle not a glass bottle in a big plastic shell and let's be honest glass is better than plastic
@@freshlyfishedbread5567 people were expecting, but we're never directly promised this.
Glass is not better for collectors, I buy Scottish Whisky and collect the packaging and bottles. The bottle is great for containing the liquid, bit a bugger to collect because it is so fragile. Displaying all that glass isn't easy.
The metal tins and cardboard boxes that whisky comes in (which often bear no resemblance to the shape or size of bottle) are much easier to collect, so more people keep those instead.
I think most alcohol collectors would be happy with this, but obviously not video gamers aparently.
In essence, they spent twice as much developing an objectively inferior product.
As a technical produktdesigner who nearly 3d-prints every day at work i can tell you that you could finish the whole thing EXcluding the printing time in like 5 minutes... the model already exists from the game, even if they needed to overwork the model then (if you have even a bit knowledge in CAD) you max. need like 2h for this if you really want the details. So you just need to export it as a .stl, import it into your slicer and the programm writes all the .gcode that your 3d-printer needs for you... that's it, there isn't that much more you could do... like an acetone afterfinish or something like that.
Now for the printing time... if they just need a prototype model they could easily print with a layer hight of 0.2mm and a 0.4mm nozzle, since it's just a mode and doesn't need to withstand any mechanical forces 10 or even 5 % infill is enough. I would guess the print itself with those settings wouldn't take more than 20h. So they could do this easily in one day without writing any code at all!
Yeah, the Silverscreen comment just bled lack of knowledge on CAD
I am a mechanical engineer who only did this a few times when I was a trainee and I would get this done in a day at max.
I totally agree. I mainly do 3D printing as a hobby and even then, this seems like a super easy design to make. Hell, I might take a crack at making my own version of this later today as a present for my dad, as he's a huge Fallout fan.
Yeah, the bit about a cheap plastic shell costing more than a glass mold is total, utter, and complete bullshit. I've talked to people who produce original bottles and they were saying how one single glass mold for a bottle runs upwards of 200 000 euro + thats roughly 300 000 USD
Agree - I went oO to that time estimate... If it took that long, it would've likely been cheaper to outsource the design to a professional than spend 100h pissing around trying to do it yourself. Would imagine the formation of a few glass moulds would be far more expensive than paying someone to sort out the 3D model for the plastic mould they went with. Maybe 2x is accurate on the unit cost, but I don't feel it's accurate on the overall cost.
The glass bottle wasn’t dramatic enough? So plastic is supposed to be more dramatic. What?
Dramatically bad
It's un-apologetically plastic.
Sure is, caused much more drama than a glass bottle could have. ;)
Well,it caused a lot of drama... :v
something , something chineese child labour for plastic making it dramatic enough?
....Why didn't they just sell the plastic shell? Collectors would've still bought that for $20 or even more as they will buy damn near any limited product if branded with the thing they love. I would know because I am one.
Seems like a needlessly huge waste and an easily avoidable nightmare for such little possible gain .__.
They also could have sold a simple reusable bottle and let people put their own beverage in it and avoided any issues with selling alcohol.
Actually a series of nuka cola watter bottles would have been a great idea, you get nuka and cherry and quantum bottles for your very own drinks
@@sofakingonmynuts1438 I'd probably bit that tbh, it's a way better idea
Cheap, fun, easy promise and you dont take a hit to the wallet if you dont sell them
In what world would a Limited Edition product be $20? LOLOLOL is this the early 90's?
Worth noting this isn't even a real dark rum. The label generically calls it 'rum' with flavoring and coloring added to it. Real dark rum is brewed and distilled from molasses or other darker sugar products and often aged for longer than other rums, resulting in a darker color and a stronger flavor. This stuff is probably a cheaper un-aged 'silver rum' that's had color and flavor added, but with a name (Nuka Dark) that implies it's a true dark rum. Just go buy a bottle of Cruzan Black Strap and save yourself the money.
@Benghazi gaming Yeah, but that's essentially a cheap workaround, and for a $80 'dark' rum I'd expect a properly premium product.
Probably also explains the low ABV for a spirit.
But if they don't cheap out on visuals and the content is what people want, then how will people get the Bethesda experience?
@@atomic_wait Sorry to not be on topic, but I've never tried actual dark rum, only normal rum. By stronger flavor, does it have more of a kick than normal rum?
@@SurmaSampo Yeah, I would consider this to be in the middle ground between proper rum and a liqueur. Heavily flavored, sugar added, etc. Coconut rum schnapps by another name.
A novice 3D artist could design that plastic shell in a couple hours
yup as a 3d artist I know people it can.
My collegues in computer science did shit like that in 12 hours.. and sent the file to queue, that's all.
A hacker could rip the existing nuka cola file and import it into Pepakura, and then a 3d printing app in hours. No work necessary, just digging and filetype conversions.
Fuck bethesda, their fans make superior replica props.
Heck I could probably make that shit in blender and I have literally zero 3D modeling experience at all
I literally know nothing of 3D design, yet I know I could in about 2-3 days time learn all the 3D design (3D printing aswell) basics online (TH-cam, etc.), then apply the learned knowledge to design that same plastic shell.
Over 100 hours of programming just for the prototype shell? Complete BS!
"the Vaults were never meant to save anyone."
Is truly ironic in the fact that they tried to "save" this product by putting it in a "vault"
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If they were proud of this I would like to see what they would consider to be a embarrassment.
My thoughts exactly.
Bethesda gets embarrassed?
They should consider Fallout 76 an embarrassment.
They themselves are the embarrassment, but they are to dumb to realise it
If it hurts their profits, and only if it hurts their profits, they would consider it an embarrassment.
They released the Rum to try and make their money back for lost sales of the Fallout 76. The drink looks like a last minute rushed cash grab, just like the game was. Disgraceful
Techmical “Destroying your own company“ speedrun by bethesda
And now it appears they are planning to recoop their losses by rushing Elder Scrolls 6 to market /this year/.
We are witnessing the death throws of this company.
@@BurnEdOutOne what? Elder scrolls 6 won't be here for like 4+ years dude.
I am pretty sure this was in the making before the game came out.
@@BurnEdOutOne Ah I see where you got that info. The same analyst predicted it would arrive in 2016 and 2017 also so....
When you're spending more on cheap rum then you are on the game, something's dangerously wrong with Bethesda's business model.
How? I don't really see this as Bethesda rather dangerously wrong with fanboys more so.
something is wrong with the people who are foolishly paying for it.
at this point the relationship between game companies and their customers is an enabling one.
until stupid people atop giving these people money, nothing will change. people are still buying destiny 2 dlc ffs.
it's actually shows that Bethesda is doing well as a rum company than a game developer, not necessarily dangerous, they can just switch business rather than go bankrupt
5$ product cost, at an 80$ selling point. This was intentional.
“We spent hundreds of hours writing the code for the 3D printed prototype”
As a robotics student who’s built a 3D printer from scratch, you don’t “write code” for a 3D object. You 3D model it using a program. At most, it would take 24 hours if you have a C average student making the model considering it breaks in half. Once you get half done, it’s a copy and paste. Hell, if I wasn’t so lazy, I could whip up a prototype during my free time in school.
I wonder if the plastic bottle was Bethesda’s doing despite the complaints of silver screen. Maybe silver screen signed a contract saying they have to take the blame or they have to act like it was their (SS) idea
It was Bethesda coders mate
Exactly
Not even true...you do both
Maybe they actually did write the G-Code by hand since it took 100 hours lmao
No no you just don't get it. They were so dedicated creating the best bottle ever that they didn't use a 3D printing program but they created one from scratch specifically for helping them with the design of this bottle.
I CANNOT wait for this years bethesdas E3 conference. Lmao.
Sadly people will cheer for every word they mutter.
@@frozenfury0 if people ate blizzard alive at BLIZZCON, bethesda is gonna get wrecked in e3
Imagine Todd Howard walking on to stage... what a shitshow that'll be
Jake Metti they’ll tout more creation club garbage
somebody should bring 80's boombox and play sweet little lies when todd come onto the stage
You know what? This is all because of pre-ordering, you don't know what you're buying.
This comment is everything
Preordering for a phsyical limited edition item is acceptable. The mistake here was: the bottle company was vague, people trusted bethesda, that they would ensure quality and bought the bottle anyway. Takeway; dont buy a vague product. Preordering something virtual and something like this are 2 different animals.
@@miniclip1162 I disagree, even back then collectibles are bought from stores and you queue up for them.
Don't like the actual product? don't buy it, simple as that, with pre-ordering the producers can do whatever they want, if you don't like it? come sue us, see the problem?
Almost feels like they got the pre orders and then decided to go with the plastic since it'd be cheaper. Notice how in the marketing it never explicity shows or says what its made out of or anything. It's vague enough that they can say they delivered exactly what was promised even though it's a shittier product.
@@miniclip1162 stop making fucking excuses for pre-ordering, it's embarrassing
They should have sent me a text. I could have told them that everything they were doing was a bad idea
No but they need a guy with a piece of paper to tell them.
4:03 Spent more time developing the bottle than developing the game
Lol
Wabinator Lmao I’m done, they could’ve delayed the game like RDR2 and look how R2 turned out.
They spent more time developing this response
Oof
@@DarkOps4
HDR in RDR2 is fake and they thought PS4 Pro should be upscaled which makes it look blurry. I don't see why you are implying RDR2 is flawless unless you played on XBOX ONE X.
"We were very deliberate in the creation of this product..."
If you mean creating a product that is literally a regular bottle of bad rum inside of a plastic container AND charging more than a bottle of good rum in a good glass bottle, *well, you were deliberate, all right!*
You're paying for the gimmick...
@@MST3Killa And why should i pay more for the gimmick when the cost for them is the same or lower to make it?
Is the same shit that brands do when they make half ass products and still want us to pay big because their fucking logo is on it. No, fuck you, i ain't paying for your logo!
I don't drink alcohol, but even if I did, I would never buy such a bad rum. And the fancy plastic container? Definitely not worth it for the price tag, I'd rather buy a 3D print, learn how to use it AND make one. THAT would be well spent money to me!
It always seemed to me like a wasted opportunity that Bethesda never partnered with Coke to make legit ass Nuka Cola. I feel like there would have been a decent amount of money in that.
Coke would just have to slightly alter their bottling line to add little fins to their bottles, making a hybrid bottle of coke and nuka and that would have been received better than this.
@@The_Queen_Chrysalis Right? It would have been such easy money, plus you don't need to throw together some shitty rum, just use Coke. Like, 0 effort put in and a promotional item people would have fallen all over themselves to get because its a main game well known item, not just a reference an item only introduced in the objectively worst Fallout story dlc ever. Plus Coke actually has the money and facilities to make a half decent bottle.
They partnered with jones soda for nuka cola quantum
@@somechannel1 Yeah, that was a cool promotion. O wish Bethesda did more like that and less like this.
Agree. They still have glass factory bottles in some countries, just a few hundred thousand bucks spent to alter factory settings & the official nuka cola branding on it. Boom, Bob is now your uncle.
8:15
*Drinks alchohol*
"Can I swear on this?"
inb4 Silver Screen accidentally leaks everyone's information.
"We're sorry..."
I work in a glass bottle factory, I know the prices. A full set of custom moulds (including spares) for the most modern machine (called IS) is around 70.000€, 80.000€ max. And it lasts for about 7.000.000 bottles (you have to take into consideration an average of 5% bad bottles).
GamerForLife you're talking out your ass lol
@@StillNoPickles69 why?
MrCipasa these numbers have no backing and he's just saying shit to try to sound informed. While I don't support Bethesda, this comment just stood out as fuckin stupid
@@StillNoPickles69
Agreed. If he works in a bottle factory as a janitor that's not the same as production either
@@-Meric- I'm the furnaceman.
Give them a break, there was a scarcity of glass in 2018!
Just like "Ye' Olde Drought of Canvas of Twenty-Eighteen"
As a Bethesda fanboy, even I can see they f ed up
Except glass still isn't that expensive
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I am a 3d Design student and I can tell you THAT statement over there from the bottling company is a steaming pile of bullshit - no one takes about 100 hours to get the "code" right for the bottle with the shape of Nuka-Cola. A friend of mine made the design for a special project and did the entire bottle (in transparent plastic, not glass) in less than HALF that time.
Sliver Screen Bottling Co. is so full of shit. If you read this, don't pay for that crap. The bottle is a damn joke and the rum is a cheap knock-off imitation of alcohol spiced with lemon and coconut (overkill with the coconut if I dare say).
I bet if someone wanted to, a fan could make a homemade one of glass pretty damn easy.
Also, in what world is plastic more expensive than glass? Lol you can literally get a nice plastic hand guard for a gun irl for less than 30 bucks. 80 bucks for a plastic shell for a bottle is a scam
It's not just a bottle. It's also rum. The design is very poor, but I can see how it could be a collectable too. They just messed up big on the design (only because they didn't specify enough?
I assume it's disappointing to see such a cool concept only for it to be drastically different from what they promised. They very well could do it, but it probably sucks a lot that they'd HAVE to in order to mitigate this shitshow.
I think my absolute favorite part of their apology response was where they said the design and manufacturing of the plastic covers cost twice as much as just using a glass bottle in the same shape.
So if it's both cheaper, easier, and more efficient to make the glass bottle that everyone wanted in the first place, WHY NOT JUST MAKE THE FUCKING GLASS BOTTLE?!
Well...plastic is rarer than glass in fo lol
Nuka Cola bottles are clearly meant to evoke the design of 50's soda bottles with a light rocketship motif. Those bottles would have all been done in glass. I'm sorry you spent so much time struggling to modify a Nuka Cola bottle model from the game, but come on. You should have just 3D printed a mould and used opaque dark beer bottle glass to cast it. Sure, it wouldn't be as huge nor as velvety, but it would feel authentic to the time period the product is supposed to evoke. The plastic makes no sense as it affects pour quality, since it's flush with the neck of the actual bottle. You could have just scaled down the design and refit the cork on the screwcap topper. I'm not even a product designer and I can tell these are amateur hour mistakes.
You designed a prop when you were supposed to make a replica.
Prop vs Replica was a great way to put it
Pretty much what I was thinking. How a bottling company made this design mistake is beyond me. I agree with the liquor guys in Yong's video; Nuka Dark was a cash grab.
@@y2kplus9 Exactly. People are treating this as if it was a mistake or oversight, but it wasn't creating these bottles wouldn't be difficult at all for a bottling company. The entire goal was simply to put out something cheap, market it deceptively, and overcharge for it...ie: cash grab.
@@bologna3048 The same way they mass-produce those skull-shaped liquor bottles, I'd imagine. There IS a way to do it cost-effectively, from what I've seen, and you can always mark it up the ass as a collector's item if the glass mould is expensive. Again, people wouldn't have minded if it was an authentic-looking replica.
@@bologna3048 Well,
then don't mass produce it at all- do a limited run with hand-blown glass. Or hell, just take a standard round bottle design, widen it a little at the base and give it a nice curve inwards, and add the rounded rocket fairings in the labelling phase as plastic brace. Melt it onto the glass to make it stick, maybe, or make it part of the sleeve, or do something like how they did the plastic topper for the cork as a screw cap. There is no way in hell a bottling company can't widen and narrow a round glass bottle to spec. If their equipment is THAT specialized, give up on novelty product lines entirely!
Or if you REALLY want to go the plastic route, just make it like a few milimeters thick and for fuck's sake, don't choke the neck in plastic!
You can get an apology from Bethesda, but you have to buy it in the Fallout 76 Atom Shop for 50,000 atoms. That's half price as the apology usually goes for 100,000 atoms. Limited time only.
Oh, shit. It's on sale despite never being for sale before? What a bargain. Do I just give you my credit card info here, or would you rather leak my personal data later?
@@schadenfreude3236 I got you fam hit me with that social security number as well.
@@zetokaiba5867 - Sweet. Do you need a copy of my passport or driver's license? My home address or cell number? Should I write an essay?
@@schadenfreude3236 - All of the above... While you're there can you please sign your will to Bethesda and also your organs, thanks.
@@barryretmanski4763 - Can do. I already did all that to play ESO pre-launch, but I'll do whatever you want. Just continue the abuse, plz.
Bethesda...
Bethesda never changes.
no, bethesda has changed for the worse over the years
Folor Bipple whoooooosh
I see what you did there 😏
The longer this goes on, the angrier I get at this garbage.
Atleast the Fallout 3 in Fallout 4 mod is back on.
It is? :O I thought the mod team asked Bethesda if it was fine and Bethesda told them that because of the popular actors they couldn't use their voices in the mod due to licensing issues and thats where that mod ended.
It is??? Omg I thought that project died
You realize the game company has nothing to do with the bottling company?
Just self grandstanding at the expense of already rightful issues with the gaming company. However, this isn’t the same thing.
Guess I’m unsubscribing
"design that was months in the making"
It spills when you pour. Lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Like all good rums, you have to let it breath on the counter before you indulge.
@@charlesbronson9289 whats "good" about the nuka rum though?
@@mcmuggin8075 it's a joke mate
@@Luna.Starlight.Eclipse gotcha XD thought someone actually though toxic toilet water was good
Now you see why Bethesda chose Silver Screen; they are like lost brothers reunited.