VW ID. Buzz vs Tesla Model Y: Is VW's reborn bus a Tesla-beater? / Electrifying
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When it comes to choosing a new car, do you let your heart rule your head or vice versa? The amazing new Volkswagen ID. Buzz is one of the most in-demand and desirable electric cars on the market. It creates a stir wherever it goes and has a two-year waiting list. But look at the Buzz’s figures, and they don’t really stack up against its main rival - the best-selling Tesla Model Y.
They cost the same to buy, but the VW has a worse range, is less efficient and considerably slower. On paper, it’s a clear loser when pitched head to head with the Tesla, which also boasts full access to the Supercharger network.
Join Nicki and Ginny as they pitch the two head-to-head. Which would you choose? Let us know in the comments below.
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I love MPVs so think the Buzz is great. Unfortunately it is so inefficient and so expensive, the looks just can't make up for those issues.
You could buy a used Model 3 and an e-Berlingo and scratch both itches and win
And not to forget the lousy VW software , capacitive buttons and terrible app.
It looks so good! The Y is boring but such a good car.
I think the outside looks ok, but the interior is abyssimal. I would tell the Skoda designer to make a real car of the Buzz and call it Skoda Evanne.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 Hah, I've never been inside one!
I wish I could afford either. I do wish a car manufacturer would build a stripped down electric car. I'm not bothered about screens in the cockpit or designer textured dash boards, I just want an electric car with enough room for my family and a decent range.
I work with OEMs, they can't outside of China. Batteries and motors are expensive so they need to absorb the cost of them in the profit margins of premium/luxury cars, they wouldn't make profit on a back to basics EV.
Hopefully you research the radiation levels in electric cars, which are unfortunately very high if you want to prevent cancer.
@@chippycut1406 That's a myth.
@@austinbeige No it's not. I've measure radiation levels in multiple Teslas. It's unsafe for adults, but especially kids.
Radition from what?
The only thing that puts me off is the network, the buzz has dreadful range, making the network even more important...
If you are a 95% short drive family I'd say go for it, but if you travel 160+ miles it does get tricky, not impossibly tricky but its worth a consideration.
The other day we had my friends Tycan and we had to hunt for a working charger with 1% battery remaining it felt scary.
1% battery in an EV is not exactly the same thing as 1% on a smartphone
You can go a legitimately long distance on 5% battery charge in an EV. Whatever EV it is.
i have a buzz for commerical work and range is not a single issue. only people that never driven a proper EV complain about range or simply refuse to learn proper charging etiquette.
I think Range play a part to new EV owners..
Its a big bus, consumption is high compared to the rest, thus it costs more to run.
We have an Id3 and a Tesla, we always take the Tesla when we go on long trips/ abroad, as its hassle free, and while I drive both, the standard network just needs more planning, while the Tesla does not.
That Buzz looks more like a Playmobil toy than the actual Playmobil VW Van toy I had as a kid... And you can get a Model Y RWD with still more range and power than the Buzz for an even bigger €20k saving. It's amazing how much space that has for just €50k.
V.W just didn’t do well enough with the MEB platform, the efficiency of platform just wasn’t up to snuff three years ago when the platform was launched. They are still all at sea with the software and have spent billions attempting a fix which just hasn’t quite worked out. Better luck next time V.W, if you avoid bankruptcy that is…….
Great point, I think people in general have zero clue, as to how far behind especially VW is on the
EV front, and this review is useless, as they don´t actually review much about these vehicles (technically) , no charge curves, infrastructure, degradation, efficicency in cold/varm temps. ans so on....
Y for the safety, software and the charge network! VW bus looks nice for a minivan.
The sound system and sentry mode on the Tesla are too amazing, couldn't live without them. And the power, performance, charging network, video games, autopilot, and literally being the safest car on the planet , it's the Y for me.
"safest car on the planet" hahaha talk like a true fanboy
@@jonpetter8921 Tell me a safer one first
I agree... But it is a bit boring. I think tesla need to spice up their exterior design language a little.
@@lukabosnjak3829 Most modern high end cars today are as safe if not safer than Tesla. Tesla Autopilot is one of driving assistance system associated with most crash in the US among 2 autonomous system.
@@NaughtyGoatFarm true, I'll agree with you on that one, especially the exterior styling.
You don't mention the amazing capability of the Model Y to switch from RHD to LHD... and change its number plates from UK to NL and back! (13:40, etc.)
That's the 007 version
It says „Activist“ 😂
Thanks for this years all videos girls!👍 Happy new year from Sweden🇸🇪
The people have spoken…and the model Y was a top seller in Europe in 2022 not only for electric vehicles but for ALL vehicles!!
I need to get my windsurfing equipment into the car. Not a chance in the Tesla. I can sleep in the Buzz, an awning in front and you can stand comfortably 1-2 weeks in a bay. Back to the roots ;) . And he also just caught me emotionally. In March mine should be delivered, after three years I'll get the longer version with larger battery and awd. I never smile at a Tesla, but about every buzz I encounter. Then I just need an hour longer for the distance on vacation.... a good price for a good mood. And in leasing, the Buzz is significantly cheaper for me than the Tesla!
This is an odd comparison and really only highlights the lack of EV models (this is changing quickly though!). Objectively the Y wins hands down for many more reasons than listed here. But if you want a van and not an SUV then that just doesn't matter. The Y was designed to appeal to the widest possible audience, whereas the Buzz is more of a niche vehicle like the Mini, which I'm sure will be reflected in the sales numbers (the Y is pretty much set to be the #1 selling vehicle in the world next year, and I doubt the Buzz will sell 1/20th the number of cars). The Y will also likely be coming down in price, widening the price gap. It's already pretty silly that the Y is such a better vehicle for less money than the Buzz.
By coincidence, I took my two teenage boys with me yesterday to test both these cars.
We loved the tech and cockpit of the Tesla, it drove beautifully BUT all three of us chose the Buzz asour favourite. There's much more personal space in the Buzz especially in the rear (important for the kids) and as said, made us feel happy.
Somehow, despite all the benefits of the Y, it was a more joyous drive and I'd like more joy rather than more efficiency in my life.
The 77kW (usable) battery capacity in the Buzz is a little bit on the small side. Once you start actually carrying things and people around, you will be stopping to charge quite a lot. VW should bring a bigger battery for the Buzz (and for the ID.4 / ID.5 too🤞). It's a great, usable and comfortable car overall. It's short range is its only Achilles' Heel.
They will, but they should have done that already, because first impressions matter.
It's definitely its achilles heel... But it has other issues you should not get in a £60k car: fixed rear windows, pay extra for a 12inch screen instead of a standard 10inch one, boot won't open when plugged into many public chargers due to large space needed for opening it and the charge point being at the rear, no frunk, internal hard plastics scratch easily and should not be in a £60k car.
I agree with faster charging and a bigger battery.
It will be available also long wheel base with bigger battery dunno how big though.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 in another TH-cam video they said that vw are not realising the long wheel base in the U.K
Both a Tesla and VW van fan boy here.... well as much as I totally LOVE the iD buz the efficiency is where I lose total interest oh and the software/infotainment! Right now I'd buy the Tesla.
I doubt if Tesla had similar size van it wouldn't be much difference in efficiency.
Nice but compared with the RWD model Y the difference in price is unignorable.
Especially after the Tesla price reduction
@@andrewsutton1657 indeed, talking about 20k difference…. Just for looks? Come on.
A not so known factoid: Tesla has reworked the Y’s suspension 30 times since launch in 2020. Meaning, yes, the earlier builds do indeed ride too stiff, but the 2022 and especially now the latest ones, ride noticeably nicer, while still handling just as well. I am not sure if they also reworked the model 3 as such of as much, but probably.
If they have *really* reworked the suspension more than 30 times, they need to try again. My Model Y LR was delivered in Dec ‘22 and ride quality is terrible - harsh, noisy, uncomfortable. By contrast, my June ‘21 Model 3 LR is MUCH more comfortable, as well as handling better. If I was being generous, I’d score current Model Y ride quality at 3 out of 10. That’s appalling for a vehicle costing over £60k (US$80k equivalent)
@@SpenceW oh dang. Really? That’s disappointing to hear for sure. I haven’t tried any of the newer to compare but that’s what they been saying.
@@raheeb1 I got my Model Y in October '22 and it rides great. Mine was built in Giga Austin, so I wonder where Spencer got his from
my 22 Y was too stiff so i went for aftermarket coilovers, transforms thercar
@@bvzweig as he is quoting £'s it will be a Shanghai car
It’s a really odd test comparing a van to a car. Different needs and a different customer base. Both are great, both are not comparable with each other.
In that respect yes, but they will be cross shopped in a market for those looking for 7 seats and electric mobility - or more likely half the marketplace for these cars would be for image and credibility, that makes the Buzz and Model Y cross-shop competitors of BMWs, Audi's, etc.
@@toyotaprius79 Outside of the EV space I’ve never known a VW Transporter people van to be compared with, for example, a Volvo XC-60, or similar.
I can see a huge potential in the market for the VW ID Buzz, but it’s more likely to be compared with a Vauxhall Vivaro-E Life or Mercedes eVito Tourer. These are like-for-like comparisons for customers.
Just my opinion, but it was my first thought.
Same Monday, similar core proposition…
I’d agree except the Buzz is just a big car with a big boot. Not a van, not a camper, not a 7 seater. I don’t really get it as a proposition - everyone that’s seen it wants an EV california or a 7 seater EV of which this is neither. You’re spending quite a bit more than an ID4 on an ID4 with a makeover
Not really as the Buzz is based on the same platform as the other ID cars, so more car with van body than traditional MPVs
Here is som fested love to both of You Ginny and Nicki - Love your video'es - and also the ones that Mr. Ford makes. Happy New Year to all of You from Denmark. 💗❤👌👍
Have eagerly anticipated the Buzz for years. Problem is, over those years so many more options are available now and more coming soon and not at $60k which is patently absurd for basically a minivan.
I had a crew van before.
looked at both VW ID, bus and model Y,
I picked the model Y. Added a tow hook option, 4x carrier and trailer. I can carry more now than I could with the van.
I don't think I could fit a bike in the ID buzz.
I just got one, and you can fit 4 adult bikes just by removing the wheels, and in the rear without folding the seats :)
@@StefanoGirolimetto why not 6 if you take all the bikes apart? Maybe even 10 if you grind the bikes into dust?
A lot of bikes have a quick release for the front wheel. So it’s not a hassle.
Objectively the range/charging/network alone give it to the Tesla, subjectively I think there is definitely a niche for the ID.Buzz' style (however I much prefer the Model Y appearance, I think it looks great!)
LOL... Model Y appearance, I think it looks great! - Tesla's are the most boring looking cars out there. (that cost over 40k)
Tesla chargers are open to others hello.
@@safercyclinguk not all... plus my comment is over a year old lol
@@djonharms I never said all, just others.
@@safercyclinguk you're arguing a point I made over a year ago lol...
They are both fantastic. I agree with you, the Model Y makes more sense, but I love the Buzz so much. The Fisker Ocean might change things though
"The Fisker Ocean" 1: When will it be built for real? How much will it cost? Where are the service centers? Where do i get parts and Add-Ons? Where do i get winter tires? Where do i get information how to service the Fisker?
@@wolfgangpreier9160 well it’s already in production and you can order now. I’ve already had a look round, and it’s better built than either of these two.
You choose the Model Y with your head, You choose the ID Buzz with your heart
and you also can choose The Fisker Ocean with your imagination and bravery... and delusion.
@@stoner27th actually I choose the one with the most space. May as well go for an ID4 GTX
Fisker is unlikely to ever be built. Bankrupt 2023 or 2024 is the only question?
I have yet to drive the Buzz, but I’ve driven the Y on British roads and the suspension is utterly appalling. It’s so harsh that it’s un-liveable and I’d never buy one for that reason alone. The rest is actually good, the Y is an excellent car.
The Buzz is just cool, but that infotainment is appalling. Wait for the Buzz refresh with updated tech, drive-train and battery.
Hopefully the Y gets air suspension and then becomes an option to drive on our terrible roads.
Yes, apart from:
Range
Efficiency
Performance
Depreciation
Software
Infotainment
Charging Network
Sentry Mode
Fart Mode
The Buzz is great.
OK, I wish the Y had an ice scraper!
The Buzz looks like a truly lovely EV but about £15000 over priced van. That’s not just a few quid, it’s a lot of money especially when you add 10% finance to purchase price. I just wish I could justify the cost as the drive is so chilling, and the car is so practical. For me the cost and 2 year waiting list makes this none starter. I have waited for this bus for nearly 3 years and now its “here” it cost the same as a mortgage and I still have to wait 2 more years for a 210 mile inefficient iconic trip down memory lane.
Just leased a fully loaded ID Buzz for half the price of a model y long range. They are totally different cars but couldn't resist that deal. Only a 2 year deal but pretty amazing value.
ID buzz,only EV that’s actually cool,Tesla’s are becoming a little common,a bit like Ford cortina’s we’re in Dagenham in the 70’s.
If Ford would introduce the e-Lightning to European market then it can be configured to match these EV's prices,
in lower PRO trim pack and that might be an even cooler option not just more practical but also with off-road ability,
If price is no problem then Rivian (R1T/R1S) or GMC Hummer EV (pick-up truck or SUV) would be the top dogs in EV sector..
what is the co-efficient of drag for the ID buzz ? the model Y is 0.32
Why do they not mention safety of the cars any more? If you are hauling around your family, it should be of concern which car is safer.
Aren't they both NCAP 5 stars?
@@SeanPowell I don't know they did not mention it.
Girls.... The standard range RWD single motor is out and about in the UK now so this could have been a better comparison. I had really high hopes for the buzz as a follow on from the kombi t5 I once had but it doesn't even come close in practicality. Expected much more for that sort of money!
That costs only 3000,-- less for 78 km less range. No thank you.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 it’s £6000 less
@@timlomax5824 In our country the prices are currently Model Y SR: 58.370,-- or around £51.618 and the Model Y LR costs 63.520,-- or around £56.173 thats a difference of £4.555,--
Love the design / colours of the ID Buzz, but I can't handle the small range and software issues. Tesla are just plain boring... Lack of colours and don't have a heads-up display. In balance I wouldn't waste my £60k+ on either....
So an mix of these 2 like the iD-Buzz body shell on top of the Tesla skateboard battery +electric motors it would be the most epic thing for the moment..
Happy New Year Everyone... !!!!
I wouldn’t buy either as they don’t meet my needs, but the Y can go in the bin purely on looks. I have more attractive margarine tubs!
Excellent review. I look forward to improved batteries power density to give the cars 100KWh batteries, then you’ve got usable real world range. Let’s face it the real world range in the VW is 160 miles. As a test, it would be useful to show the miles per KWh on a clear motorway at 70 mph, then we would have some kind of sensible idea of efficiency. The current tests seem useless if every single vehicle gets roughly 20% less the test.
That’s why for that data you should follow Teslabjorn 😂👍🏻
Re: storage space, Tesla figures are completely out of whack because they ignore the parcel shelf. Other manufacturers measure up to the parcel shelf. There are direct comparison tests out there showing you can actually fit more in a Skoda Enyaq boot than you can in a Model Y. So comparing it to a Buzz based on Tesla figures is bonkers. Bjorn's banana box tests are instructive. With back seats up up he got 10 in an Enyaq, 9+1(frunk) in a Y and 30 in a Buzz. Yes, 30. Rich Symons has also done Enyaq v Y practicality comparisons showing the Enyaq is bigger.
Surprised this channel don't know this. Tesla's figures are misleading. They measure up to the ceiling/rear windscreen. They should perhaps trust their eyes a bit more?
Well, my 2016 e-Golf infotainment system hasn't crashed once, so there! :)
You said 4 years unlimited mileage warranty on Model Y in the UK? Was that a mistake? Mine appears to have 4 years / 50,000 miles.
Lovely review. Just wondering if the Tesla Mode Y RWD wasn't a better fit for the comparison 🤔
The model Y long range is nearly £5k cheaper than this ID Buzz Style variant in the video
I think the ID buzz can fit bulkier items in the rear and I personally would wait for the larger 111kwh battery with AWD in my cold climate. To me, it comes down to price and range (to overcome rural living).
@@Moody_Blues_ Love your name! I’ve seen them live.
Yeah, I’d hope the DCFC speeds will be higher when it comes around and they can eek out more efficiency out of their drivetrain by the time it comes around. I’ve been watching the Buzz development for some time, but it’s more of a heart decision like they said in the video.
@@Moody_Blues_ The charging curve is actually better than most batteries. You would never start from zero. That would destroy the battery. So it would not be an hour of charging, even if the vehicle stopped completely.
@@therookienomore88 Charging is better on the ID Buzz than you might think. But if you have a 230-240 volt outlet, which you probably do if you live in Europe, then you will do well to charge at home.
The Buzz's boot is 1.581 liters, the Model Y's boot is only 854 liters. Both numbers are with the seats up and partial shelf removed. These people pulled numbers out of their asses.
@@Anonymous-sb9rr Yeah. Actual tests show the Buzz has twice as much cargo space as the Model Y.
Forget the range comparison, the built quality, the lack of user friendly tech, the price, the lack of charging systems. Just think about the ID is not available period in the USA 😢
Model Y now starts at £44.990 in the UK (£52.990 for the long range)
I own a Tesla Model Y and love the car. But the appeal of the Buzz is undeniable. The only thing that would keep my from putting it in the garage next to my Tesla is the range. In the rural US you real need about 300 miles of range.
Yh... bricks aren't very efficient. But I love ❤️ the look of the buzz!
Keep the speed under 65mph and air resistance is not that much of an issue, at 55 and lower it's not an issue at all.
Where was the road test done, that looks like a great road.
Good to see the magic VW figure generator is still working its tricks. That real world range and poor warranty rules it out. A 2 year wait, no thanks.
Both are too expensive... Not for me, but great video and channel 😊☺️☺️
As an id.3 driver I’m really liking the buzz. But the software and performance of the system really is lacking.
Just for illustration, that 500 mi trip would take 200 kWh with the ID Buzz and 113 kWh with the Model Y.
I don't know what the price at rapid chargers in the UK is, but that is a saving of more than €50,= in the Netherlands using the Fastned chargers. Assuming 10k miles per year, that adds up to €1200,= per year.
I love the Buzz, I am also classic VW fan boy. The only deal breaker for me is the range. They need to increase that. Everything else is awesome though.
As a Honda E owner , heart wins obviously the Buzz wins!
Great ! I know the model y is boring but it is such a great car . We don;'t have the buzz in the US yet
Boring….until you drive it.
@@shou635 Great way to describe it. I call it the most fun soccer mom car 😅😅
I'm a Model Y owner. I love the car, and there are currently only 2 vehicles I would consider replacing my Model Y for. The long wheelbase Buzz, and the upcoming Cybertruck. The price of the Buzz is pushing me toward the Cybertruck, especially with the different charging types in the US. Supercharger vs other DC fastcharger there is currently no comparison. Supercharger wins hands down.
In US there are more alternatives for around same price : Canoo EV (something like iD-Buzz), Alpha Wolf BEV truck or
if something bigger is the main priority the Ford F-150 e-Lightning configured in lower trim PRO pack dual motor, with long range battery..
Agreed on the Supercharger network, that was one of the reasons I got my Model Y. I like the idea & look of the Buzz, but their tech is not the best. Range is subpar, forget about performance and so far VW has pissed off ID.4 owners with the lack of software updates. They finally got a software update in December after a super long wait, but your have to go into the dealer to have it done. No OTA updates? Tesla owners take that kind of thing for granted.
@@bvzweig I also saw that the capacity in the Model Y is more than at least the short wheelbase Buzz. Oh! That was this video.
@@poplaurentiu4148 Canoo and Alpha Wolf do not exist... along with the ID Buzz. You are not getting any of those vehicles for a very long time if ever. Its silly to even discuss vehicles that you cannot buy.
@@Kenbark42 I'm in Europe, iD-Buzz first version with 5 seats (short base) was unveiled earlier last year and it is available for customers in Europe at least, deliveries already started for all the pre-sales & reservations since last year in November.. Videos are already available made by the first customers search yourself to watch them (Norway, Germany, Sweden, Finland & UK got the very first buzzes).. For US market i hear it will be a longer version of iD-Buzz with 7 seats and bigger battery by the end of this year or certainly in 2024 but orders and payments reservations in advance can be put right now on official Volkswagen site.. Regarding Canoo (again tell me if you want proof i'll throw a link to a youtube clip showing inside the factory tour and where already made few vehicles of course for the first clients who test to see how it drives, the turning radius and other features inside-out but to see more of them customers must put reservation & orders to get vehicles, none will be offered for free (like GM did with EV1).. The only one i'm not 100% sure about if they start build or not is Alpha Wolf but as far as i read in latest news they have strong partnerships & battery suppliers, i really do not see any impediments for them to start building they 'r vehicles beside regarding Alpha Wolf spec & sizes not that big to be a harsh challenge for them..
The appearance of the Tesla Model 3 & Y remind me of the Chrysler Neon I had 15 years ago.
I was looking at the Audi Q4 13 months ago. I also drove a Tesla model 3 and a Ford Mach-e. The Tesla is a much more mature car than the Q4 (and the Ford) but I ordered the Q4 simply because the Tesla felt like a soulless robot (the Mach-e came second). Tesla make the best EVs in the world. There is no doubt about that, but they are just modes of transport. They don't make you feel good. I really like the look of the Fisker Ocean. 🙂
Similar thoughts even i didn't choose Audi. Tesla ins't a car it's a gadget.
Model Y suspension is very firm, you can understand but I would like to see air suspension like in model S&X but overall I love my model Y, it is a iPad with wheels.
Tesla price cuts make this comparison a no brained.
Hmmm looks matter and what a car makes you feel like .... So Tesla Y,3,X are boring and even ugly to make it efficient. I would get a BUZZ as a family car and live with its short coming plus better ride 😁
From Canada...looks like buzz grl hates Tesla jus cuz its a Tesla! Y is tested n soaked than any other EV! Test drove Y other day, my wife fell in love with it and excited wht the car future looks like. Astonishing wht they have accomplished
Very odd how the rear passenger windows on the Buzz aren’t operable 🤔
awwwhh thats annoying
Can u review eqe43 or eqe53 amg? Maybe compare to bmw i4 m40 or m50 will be nice
Both exceptional cars in different ways, overall though after the horrors of trying to find working stations with a hydrogen car I am in no way gonna do it again on a less than stellar charging network -- poopy chargers WILL wear on you. Thus Tesla wins
I’m curious how the rear wheel drive handles on snow and ice, typically they are bad in those situations, but I haven’t had a recent rear wheel drive vehicle with all the tech that prevents the issues I’ve had with them in the past, speaking from Colorado (whenever the buzz gets here)
I have an ID Buzz 1st Edition and set off on a journey yesterday which quickly turned into roads covered in snow. The car was surprisingly capable and very stable. I have uploaded a video to my TH-cam page which might answer some more questions you have.
You are thinking or front engined vehicles it comes down to weight over the driven wheels and with the VW platform the battery is in the middle so plenty of weight over the driven wheels. The Scandinavians dont seem to have any issues driving in the snow with them
@@J3nk1ns66 exactly, last rear drive car was back in high school I snuck out my dad’s car and slid right into a ditch, and like you said, big engine in front with rear wheel drive! I like hearing that the weight distribution adds a lot to the performance in icy conditions! I do love the Buzz!!
@@JBthemanwithcars I’ll be watching that one!! I’m envious!
My Hyundai Ioniq 5 is rear wheel drive. Had no troubles in the snow a couple of weeks ago.
The short range in the Buzz and long waiting times are a bit of a deal breaker. Also, not only was the Model Y cheaper already, but since this was published, Tesla has dropped its prices by 15%.
How can you not even get the size of the battery correct for the model Y, as a channel that is devoted to EV's?
They changed batteries a long time ago, the current LR version is 82 kWh.
You could argue about kWh usable, but if the ID buzz is 77, then the model Y is 82.
They are different vehicles. Is a Mondeo compared to a Transit?
The Tesla has to many advantages with the range, charging network , software and dual motors it's not even a competition unfortunately in my opinion.
Buzz definitely wins in looks. It is basically an ID4 van though. heart over head definitely. Efficiency is definitely why the USA is getting the long wheelbase.
I follow my heart and take the Tesla. I love this car. Additionally it got much cheaper by now. Wonderful!
Great review from two lovely ladies.
It is so nice to hear a detailed and comprehensive review from a woman's point of view.
They point out important things that the men simply overlook.
Well done. Subscribed.
Great review, but I dont understand why you didn’t choose the Tesla Model Y RWD for the test. It’s still a lot faster than the VW, but a lot cheaper: the Tesla costs £45.000 (all options included) and the Buzz 1st edition £ 63.000. That difference makes these cars almost incomparible.
I love your reviews and I live in the US, love the looks of the VW, but living in the center of the US at the present time the VW would not fit the
needs of most people in this area.
Happy new year
The Tesla Model Y Long Range is £52,990 in the UK now after the price drop. £10,000 cheaper than the ID Buzz. And a heat pump is standard on the Y but is an additional cost on the Buzz. Tesla Model Y wins hands down.
Worse still is if you go like-for-like with a Model Y RWD, then it's £45k. Over £12k difference in price, or more than 20% cheaper than the compromised VW Van with seats.
Model Y warranty is 4 years and 50,000 miles for the main car and 8 years or 120,000 miles for the battery and motors
Clean and fresh is just another way of saying boring😄
Sadly, I won't ever be in the market for a car/van this expensive, but in the days of a post Musk Twitter world and Tesla's association (and it's stock taking a beating) - those factors alone would be enough for me to lean Buzz. The decision is already made without even watching the video comparing the two (though I will anyway!).
Wouldn’t believe everything you read about musk. Ignore the silly tweets he’s doing what any business leader would do to rescue a loss making company
It's really interesting you comment this as VW are one of the most indebted companies in the world at $166B in Sept 2022 and was set up by the Nazi's all those years ago, how quickly we forget...
Odd that people will reject Tesla because of Elon Musk but are happy to buy VW, a company associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazis
@@MrQwerty3000 well, to be fair, it became an even bigger loss making company since Elon and his ego took over the company. And quite a few of the tweets simply cannot be excused by “Ah well, that’s a CEO trying to do everything to salvage a los making company”.
@@marcd6897 No. Thats not true. Twitter may actually turn a profit in 2023. If that happens lots of people will be eating their hat. If you truly feel that politics is the primary factor in picking a car "That persons politics does not 100% align with mine..." then you are making a political mistake. Who founded VW again??
Tesla just needs to make an ID Buzz like shell for the Model Y skate board. Put a circle around the Tesla T badge and bingo.
Wow, these two are not in the same league... The VW is heavier, slower, more expensive, charges slower, has smaller boot capacity and was released years after the Tesla... Dr. Winterkorn said years ago that VW would manufacture electric cars which are twice better and cost half than the Tesla's... I'm wondering when VW is planning to do that. :-)
I have yet to find a Tesla with a 650 mile range, like my 2008 e class diesel ? If you ever do, tell me.
@@stevezodiac491 OK, will do. Please tell me when you need that 650 miles range. I'm asking because my diesel car has the same or slightly better range but I hardly ever need to use it.
Eh... smaller boot capacity?
@@evboy4287 late reply I know, but it's sloppy journalism to not realise Tesla (like prehaps Landrover) measure boot capacity to the ceiling, where as most manufacturers measure to the bottom of the rear window. Which as you can imagine is a fairly significant difference. So where the boot of the id Buzz is about 1120 liters, the boot of the Tesla will be about half that (excluding under-boot and frunk).
Credit for being an MPV, but discredit for being a VW.
I’ll wait for the 7 seater longer range ID Buzz. Till the. It’s still not as practical as my previous Seat Alhambra.
Love the channel but I’d rather see comparisons of cars that people are actually going to cross-shop
Great review and sums up my feelings about Teslas . I admire their tech and the capability but the design leaves me cold - it just looks like an appliance to my eyes. I worry that the Buzz is bit too far in the other direction though, very average mechanicals styled up to tug on the emotions and relieve you of a lot of hard earned cash. Personally, I would buy an Ionic 5 for its retro inspired styling, reliable tech and decent range/performance/efficiency. Oh and I would also save £20K over the Buzz. That seems a good combo to me.
Ioniq 5 every time. The Buzz is simply a lot of cash for short 200 mile trip down memory Lane.
A model Y 2022/2023 with 533km WLTP has a 79kWh battery. So it is not 2kWh smaller than the Buzz, but 2kWh larger.
I can understand why the buzz over the car.
But if I went for a van, it would be the new delivery van made by Rivian.
Now that would make the ideal camper van! Mmmm
The Model Y LR have/is:
1. 27% more range
2. 2,5 x the horsepower
3. Better software
4. 17% cheaper
This isnt even a competition.
Better comfort and less road noice if you choose standard wheels on id buzz...just saying...
I've had a Buzz order in since May 22 and no idea on delivery yet. Got an email last month (Dec22) to say if I still want 2 tone its Sept24 (!) or I could have a single colour and it'll be much sooner. I've gone single and will get the top wrapped. It's a poor show though given ALL the publicity is with 2 tone cars. The efficiency is an issue though and disappointing. I have an ID3 and find the much maligned infotainment system to be fine (v.3.0). It's the best in any car I've ever owned, it's not flawless and probably not the best now out there, but if you are coming from a car thats 3 years or more old it's probably much better. I was a Tesla fan, but the Model Y is a bit ugly, albeit the better car in many respects. I'm still with Ginny though, heart is ruling head. A van is also such a useful vehicle, my poor ID3 spends most of its time with the back seats down and full of stuff.
Team - can you please put up metric conversion footnotes?
I really had the impression they were more advanced with the metric conversions in the past, it’s like they’re all falling back into this medieval unit system. And if that’s their choice, fine, but then I demand to have the weight figures provided in stones as well please.
Love vans and at city speeds the VW is more practical for practical people.
If you use your vehicle a lot then efficiency will be a significant penalty long term for any van shaped object irrespective of manufacturer.
I'll take Tesla cause VW have major software issue, however love the Buzz looks.
70k for a minivan. With a relatively small range. Hmm.. ID buzz would be nice. If priced below 40K.
Great pov
We’d trade in our SR model Y in a heartbeat. With cheap power in Australia, range is important, efficiency is irrelevant. The tech in Y is often more annoying than it is innovative.
The id4 is inefficient and bad enough without putting a bus on that platform. Definitely would go with the Y and would pay more to do it. The id4 doesn’t have battery preconditioning and slow charges in the colder temps
I’m a huge Tesla fanboy, yet I’m also a huge VW camper van fan, of which this will become in one of its many guises. The ‘ICE’ versions of the VW vans were also very inefficient so this battery version follows suit and therefore I can’t see putting people off……..
As for my choice? I’m completely torn as my heart loves both…….
Well you cannot get an ID Buzz... so that might make it easier. Now if we are talking imaginary ownership... then sure.
Most important and often overlooked is the American and EU safety rating on the Model Y ranks it tops in safety around the world. Speaking of family and children traveling in both EVs this is probably why I made the decision to buy Tesla over any other. My family and kids safety beats out over any other aspect of owning a vehicle. Toodles
If you can put up with VW crap software.... and really bad range....
Buzz with Tesla drivetrain and tech would be a killer product.
"Is it too fast " one of the reasons for the crazy Tesla insurance groups is that people unfamiliar with the acceleration crash them
It is misleading to compare the battery size in these two vehicles without also comparing the overall efficiency (measured in watt-hours per mile). Efficiency also affects charging time. An EV with less efficiency will take longer to charge to the same number of miles than an EV with more efficiency. There is a glaring error at 4:32... the Model Y most certainly does have window switches, located on either door armrest. Likewise with the seat adjustment controls, which are located on either front seat. Steering wheel and outside mirror adjustments are made with scroll wheels located on the steering wheel.