Great review of the bar and chain, Tinman! I think your advice is really great regarding folks who want to do some longer bar cutting but don't want to take the plunge price wise 👍
They eat! It’s nice to see your thoughts on cheaper/aftermarket parts. I really enjoyed listening to your thoughts on this bar/chain and also the hyway cylinder earlier in the series.
Just fixed 2 huskys (353 and 345) for small jobs! Your Videos realy helped me understanding how to do stuff!😎👍... not a carb tuning expert yet took me 1h to dial them in!
The 268 is running good! I have had the best luck with carlton and Husqvarna x-cut chain in hardwoods so far. They consistently cut 3x the amount of trees before needing to be sharpened. They last longer and cut back on time spent sharpening which saves $.
Love it as soon as you say you don't burn hardwood in the shop, the haters come out, but like you say "it what it is" and there sure is a time and place for softwoods even pine.
Thank you. Very informative. Especially appreciated the comparison of the two saws and the way they behave for you. Also thanks for informing us of the flex on those Holzfforma bars. Take care.
I'd love to see you buy a holzfforma or build one of their kits as a series and let us new or curious guys know what you think the Chinese saws are missing on....and then you could orangutan it and not feel bad messing with an old saw?
@@KT-et5vn I want to see him go all mad scientist on a big cc saw like to where we see him rubbing his hands together with a goofy grin in excitement....lol maybe he can finish the videos with "well you could definitely run this saw..for 2 months until it blows hahaha"
@Playingwithwood I built one a few months ago with all the original parts and it doesn't have any issues all the videos you find had. 9 tanks in. I'm building another ms660 right now with oem bearings
I noticed the last holtzforma chain I got was a different profile from the previous ones. It won't be just the chain stretch, the imperfections on the bar would be flattening out making less tension. The chains I find are good the bars are good for the price but a little soft. When you have a limited budget and too many saws to put bars on what are you going to do. Cheers Tinman
The initial bar wear is extra on those painted bars. So yeah the stretch is a bit exaggerated on a new bar and chain combo. Edit: the holtzforma bars are not painted but I meant painted bars in general.
That 268 is a beauty those bars and chains look very passable for the average firewood guy, definitely some qc issues but I think for just a cheap bar and chain for the average guy, or as a low cost option for project saws I dig 'em well enough.
I been running the archer bars and chains with pretty good success price is about the same the bars are tighter and stiffer just from watching the video the chain stretches some the first use but after that it's good for me I buy spools that way I can make my own loops it works for me because its 30 miles just to get a chain made up thanks for doing this because alot of us just cut our own firewood and we don't really need pro level bars and chains.
Really interesting. Especially the stretch. My first port was a 25cc certa (cheap chinese), it had a 10" bar and was great for pruning/small stuff, the initial stretch on the chain after about half a tank was amazing and I was thinking about checking chain stretch when it came off the bar and the catcher grabbed it. Amazing amount of stretch like this one (but much smaller). Good learning exercise. Nice video. Wish I was there to help.
Man, I could go for some of that snow. Been stuck in Singapore since COVID kicked off and while I’m not ungrateful for permanent BBQ weather it’d be real nice to feel a cold wind on the face. I know this mainly about the bars and chains but that 268 is the star of the show - sounds good and raspy 👍🏻
Tinman I am on overload keep it up. The 268 I found on eBay runs ok could be better. But I think with what you are doing. I will get it right thanks for your help. Just gives me confidence.
ive used them and they just seem abit flimsy. i wouldnt use them for treework but for a guy cuttin some firewood youd be fine. but if your workin em hard and trying to stump a 4 foot oak stump they can get messed up in a hurry. the weak spot i noticed was where the tip meets the bar. also a good choice to let a guy who hasnt cut as much use and not have to worry about a 200 dollar bar get bent by someone who doesnt know any better. my boss puts em on a few saws that the ground guys use because they are were always tearing bars up and he was tired of brand new stihl bars getting messed up by the ground guys by getting them pinched or hiting the dirt then trying to horse the bar and bend it cuz a dull chain and they get in a hurry. not as much of a problem as it was cause we quit letting guys run the bigger saws that didnt know what they were doing and let them use the joncutter 5800s which for the money are great litle saws in my opinion
Wow, nice work on that power saw she start to come alive, but I think it still needs a better muffler mod on the give away, thanks on the bar and chain info. Alway be safe brother to you and your family and friends
Gday mate. I love my pm 570. I like the look of them. How do you come up with numbers on this sort of saw that you’ve ported before. Bit of a guide from buckin?
Hi Tinman!!😀😀 Go back to the beginning of the video and look. You didn't have the chain very tight before you started. So I don't think the chain stretched that much for the first run. I've been running them and all the ones I have been using haven't stretched any more than any Oregon chain I have had. For the money I feel they are a great deal. Those chains are square ground from the factory. That's why they don't have much of a hook in them. When you are tightening the chain you need to hold up on the bar while adjusting the chain and tightening the bar and the chain will stay tight longer. Take care my friend!!😀😀 Logger Al
Tinman you absolutely need one of them pulp hooks, I welded my own and it works wonders, really makes the loading and unloading a pleasure instead of a chore
I ran some 3/8 LGX one time on a Homelite XL925 with a 32" bar and idk if it was just the low speed grunt of an XL925 or if Oregons steel wasn't that hard that day but it stretched so bad I had to adjust tension 3 times to get a face cut and back cut in a tree that was a little bigger than bar length haha
Both saws sound good, but that 630 really screams. I appreciate you testing these bars/chains. I personally like the buy once, cry once method; I always buy the best bar/chain I can afford.
Goodness sakes Tinman. Both those saws are just sweeeet. That 268 is probably the best starting saw I have seen , you have the touch brother. Great throttle response and still breaking in. Love the Ole 630 super man she's snappy. Great review on the Holz bars and chain. Lovin it. 🌲❤🌲✊🪓
I like to get cheap chains as a backup to an Oregon or Stihl, great to have with in case something happens. I also tend to put them on whenever I have to cut wood that's dirty or close to the ground. I'd rather cry over 10-15 euros instead of 30-35 for a 20" chain (I live in Greece). These long bars get me drooling, but they are tough to run on my 52cc....
Hi Tinman , cheers for all the good info ! Over here in uk the 357xp is a popular little saw could you do a idiots guide to porting one with a hyway head ? I’ve a few a would love to squeeze a few more beans out of it Many thanks James
Hi Tinman. I strongly encourage you to run about ten tanks and then check the bar. My experience is that the steel is very soft and bar is trashed after what I would consider less than a year homeowner firewood usage. If you rarely use the big bar maybe that is ok. GB 32” bar for $72 seems like a better option to me.
I bought a holzforma for my little saw, works as I expected for an inexpensive bar and chain combo. For the price I cannot complain but I had low expectations to begin with. It does what it is intended to.
In my experience the chain does eventually stop stretching, and they are an acceptable bar and chain for the average guy. They are worth what you pay for them.
Excellent video as always. I put my 254 back together and it was running sweet but now it won't idle its reving high then trouble starting after watching you'r videos i think it's the crankshaft seals am i right or am i missing something ???
What makes a grunty saw? I assume this means pull or that feeling of torque. Is it the stroke that brings the grunt or bore? I've seen some 70cc saws with low HP and have always assumed it couldn't pull like something smaller with higher HP. I'm sure there is more to it but I'm curious.
Port timing and case volume are also hugr factors. The MS661 is actually fairly gutless out of the box for a 92cc saw. I raised the exhaust roof on one 3 degrees and opened up the transfers and it is a raging screaming beast now. The tree service that I built it for it immediately asked me to port their other five 661s.
I've been using these for awhile n a great option for me as the price is perfect..im hard on my equipment n these are easily replaceable..yea they stretch a bit but I do like their chain n they hold up decently well
630 is 61cc, 670 is 66.7, and has a Jonsered specific intake boot setup with impulse line where the 630 is Husky style with a block. The 670 also had a unique air filter to go with the raised filter cover, I don't see them too often anymore, usually see the 630 style filter on them now. It is said that the 670 had the hottest ported 50mm cylinder on the chassis. I know the last one I did ended up cutting circles around my also ported 272....
timing have you decked a cylinder head on a ported chainsaw w bigger piston and carb I seen buckin run 1 its very hot cutting big like butter 1127 2021
timing had you ever run a ported chainsaw before you started porting chainsaws you're self have you run 1 of donny walkers ported chainsaws what's the difference between both saws 11 26 2021
Did the same job today! In a snowy, and cold Sweden! I used a 550XPG, and autotune works fine, but i want to be in control😀 The 268, really starts to wake up! Good test, by the way!
It sounds as though there is a preference for .058 over .050. I have always run the .050, but would be interested to know if there are reasons for preferring .058.
Most chains I've ever run have stretched like that out of the box. The question is if they are done stretching.... if so, then they are good value for money. If they stretch like that every time then they are a waste.
Can't wait to see this saw. Everytime you post a video on this saw it makes me smile. Whoever gets it is gonna be really lucky
Looks like a decent bar & chain for the average firewood cutting home owner! Thanks for sharing buddy!👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🙏🙏🙏🙏
In all my years of running chainsaws I've never knew how important it is for a saw to have a properly adjusted carburetor or how to do it !
Great review of the bar and chain, Tinman! I think your advice is really great regarding folks who want to do some longer bar cutting but don't want to take the plunge price wise 👍
Love the one pull start up and the cutting in the snow. Oh Canada
They eat! It’s nice to see your thoughts on cheaper/aftermarket parts. I really enjoyed listening to your thoughts on this bar/chain and also the hyway cylinder earlier in the series.
We also have snow now in northen Sweden. Great content Tinman! The 268 looks nice with that bar.
Hey tinman! Just in the shop here in KY sharpening chains and watching your video. Hope all is well
Thanks for the video Tinman, will be interesting to see how the bar and chain goes with some more use.
Thanks for the test, sounding like it’d be good for me. Perfect for sitting around waiting to be run! 😂
Hey Tinman have a great weekend!!
That 268 looks and sounds great!
Just fixed 2 huskys (353 and 345) for small jobs! Your Videos realy helped me understanding how to do stuff!😎👍... not a carb tuning expert yet took me 1h to dial them in!
The 268 is running good! I have had the best luck with carlton and Husqvarna x-cut chain in hardwoods so far. They consistently cut 3x the amount of trees before needing to be sharpened. They last longer and cut back on time spent sharpening which saves $.
Love it as soon as you say you don't burn hardwood in the shop, the haters come out, but like you say "it what it is" and there sure is a time and place for softwoods even pine.
Great rundown of the economy bars and chains.
Thank you. Very informative. Especially appreciated the comparison of the two saws and the way they behave for you. Also thanks for informing us of the flex on those Holzfforma bars. Take care.
Another great video. I can’t wait to see how the bar holds up.
That saw is so clean it deserves a husqvarna bar for sure.
Thanks for all the info you share! I'll try my hand at porting soon with all the knowledge you've shared. Keep up the great work!
For the money they are what they are. The Husky runs and cuts real nice. Great build bud.
Man i love the way you put them saws together tinman really solid builds! Great work buddy! Happy Thanksgiving!
That saws DIALED in like a Swiss watch great job TINMAN she runs mint buddy,,,hope everyone has a great weekend be safe
I'd love to see you buy a holzfforma or build one of their kits as a series and let us new or curious guys know what you think the Chinese saws are missing on....and then you could orangutan it and not feel bad messing with an old saw?
And all oem husqvarna parts / stihl parts fit on the holzfforma because you do have to change quite a few parts to make them run well
Would be interesting to see what he would upgrade on them. I've seen mixed reviews on them.
Second that!
@@KT-et5vn I want to see him go all mad scientist on a big cc saw like to where we see him rubbing his hands together with a goofy grin in excitement....lol maybe he can finish the videos with "well you could definitely run this saw..for 2 months until it blows hahaha"
@Playingwithwood I built one a few months ago with all the original parts and it doesn't have any issues all the videos you find had. 9 tanks in. I'm building another ms660 right now with oem bearings
Loving that 268 Tinman.... thanks for the update on the Bar and chain. Looking forward to seeing if it stretches anymore
I’ve been curious to these bars and chains. Thank you for the review and your comments
A good running saw a good saw for my collection here in Portugal! Nice keep it going!
I noticed the last holtzforma chain I got was a different profile from the previous ones. It won't be just the chain stretch, the imperfections on the bar would be flattening out making less tension. The chains I find are good the bars are good for the price but a little soft. When you have a limited budget and too many saws to put bars on what are you going to do. Cheers Tinman
Didn't think about the initial bar wear in making the chain looser too. Wonder just how much that affects things?
The initial bar wear is extra on those painted bars. So yeah the stretch is a bit exaggerated on a new bar and chain combo.
Edit: the holtzforma bars are not painted but I meant painted bars in general.
@@modarkthemauler I think they are clear coated.
Hello there Tinman. Keep warm. Love from the UK
Thanks Tinman! Like the bar and chain info…
Thanks Tinman. Was there a follow up on the chain stretch? Did they continue to stretch?
That 268 is a beauty those bars and chains look very passable for the average firewood guy, definitely some qc issues but I think for just a cheap bar and chain for the average guy, or as a low cost option for project saws I dig 'em well enough.
I been running the archer bars and chains with pretty good success price is about the same the bars are tighter and stiffer just from watching the video the chain stretches some the first use but after that it's good for me I buy spools that way I can make my own loops it works for me because its 30 miles just to get a chain made up thanks for doing this because alot of us just cut our own firewood and we don't really need pro level bars and chains.
Really interesting. Especially the stretch. My first port was a 25cc certa (cheap chinese), it had a 10" bar and was great for pruning/small stuff, the initial stretch on the chain after about half a tank was amazing and I was thinking about checking chain stretch when it came off the bar and the catcher grabbed it. Amazing amount of stretch like this one (but much smaller). Good learning exercise. Nice video. Wish I was there to help.
I have a 162se I was given that I honed and ordered a piston for. I hope it works 1/2 as good as that.
Thanks for the Comparison Sir! Very helpful!
Thanks for the feedback on those bars buddy!!
Did the farmertec chains keep stretching or did they stop after you broke them in.
Looks like they cut good. I use a semi-chisel chain because I am always cutting dirty wood.
Looks like winter has come with a vengeance tinman. Be safe. God bless
Man, I could go for some of that snow. Been stuck in Singapore since COVID kicked off and while I’m not ungrateful for permanent BBQ weather it’d be real nice to feel a cold wind on the face. I know this mainly about the bars and chains but that 268 is the star of the show - sounds good and raspy 👍🏻
What a nice saw! Someday I’ll upgrade
Tinman I am on overload keep it up. The 268 I found on eBay runs ok could be better. But I think with what you are doing. I will get it right thanks for your help. Just gives me confidence.
ive used them and they just seem abit flimsy. i wouldnt use them for treework but for a guy cuttin some firewood youd be fine. but if your workin em hard and trying to stump a 4 foot oak stump they can get messed up in a hurry. the weak spot i noticed was where the tip meets the bar. also a good choice to let a guy who hasnt cut as much use and not have to worry about a 200 dollar bar get bent by someone who doesnt know any better. my boss puts em on a few saws that the ground guys use because they are were always tearing bars up and he was tired of brand new stihl bars getting messed up by the ground guys by getting them pinched or hiting the dirt then trying to horse the bar and bend it cuz a dull chain and they get in a hurry. not as much of a problem as it was cause we quit letting guys run the bigger saws that didnt know what they were doing and let them use the joncutter 5800s which for the money are great litle saws in my opinion
Love the channel love all the information on the new stuff
Wow, nice work on that power saw she start to come alive, but I think it still needs a better muffler mod on the give away, thanks on the bar and chain info.
Alway be safe brother to you and your family and friends
Good first run on that bar and chain combo the 268 is coming around I think 2 more tanks or fuel and she will be good to go
That is a sweet saw. Makes me want to try a rebuild on a saw soon.
I had a 20 inch and a 24 inch bar from them and they where pretty good!
Hey buddy
Gday mate. I love my pm 570. I like the look of them. How do you come up with numbers on this sort of saw that you’ve ported before. Bit of a guide from buckin?
Fastest wood stacker ever. Love the 268
Hi Tinman!!😀😀
Go back to the beginning of the video and look. You didn't have the chain very tight before you started. So I don't think the chain stretched that much for the first run. I've been running them and all the ones I have been using haven't stretched any more than any Oregon chain I have had.
For the money I feel they are a great deal. Those chains are square ground from the factory. That's why they don't have much of a hook in them.
When you are tightening the chain you need to hold up on the bar while adjusting the chain and tightening the bar and the chain will stay tight longer.
Take care my friend!!😀😀
Logger Al
Tinman you absolutely need one of them pulp hooks, I welded my own and it works wonders, really makes the loading and unloading a pleasure instead of a chore
Tuning sounds awesome!
I ran some 3/8 LGX one time on a Homelite XL925 with a 32" bar and idk if it was just the low speed grunt of an XL925 or if Oregons steel wasn't that hard that day but it stretched so bad I had to adjust tension 3 times to get a face cut and back cut in a tree that was a little bigger than bar length haha
Mr. Tinman; just curious what grade fuel you recommend for the 200 series Husqvarna line? ..and thoughts on non-ethanol. Thanks😉
Both saws sound good, but that 630 really screams. I appreciate you testing these bars/chains. I personally like the buy once, cry once method; I always buy the best bar/chain I can afford.
Nice!!!shes comin along nicely!
I’d like to see you put a kit saw together and test the quality of parts. That 268 seems like a ripper!
What do you mean by kit saw mate? I haven’t heard the term before. Cheers
@@gregchapman9284 like an eBay aftermarket kit, the pieces all come disassembled in a box so you must build the whole saw yourself.
Was watching the chain loosen and almost halo around the bar!!!
Goodness sakes Tinman. Both those saws are just sweeeet. That 268 is probably the best starting saw I have seen , you have the touch brother. Great throttle response and still breaking in. Love the Ole 630 super man she's snappy. Great review on the Holz bars and chain. Lovin it. 🌲❤🌲✊🪓
MORNIN TAZZY
@@tinmanssaws Good morning Tinman. New Logo for the Tinman, Tinmans the name, Reliable saws is my game. Hahahahahhaha yeah buddy.🌲❤🌲✊🪓
What is your opinion on Forester chainsaw bars? Would you consider doing a review on them?
Great video Tinman.
I like to get cheap chains as a backup to an Oregon or Stihl, great to have with in case something happens. I also tend to put them on whenever I have to cut wood that's dirty or close to the ground. I'd rather cry over 10-15 euros instead of 30-35 for a 20" chain (I live in Greece). These long bars get me drooling, but they are tough to run on my 52cc....
I run the Hultz 28" bar on my 038. Perfect size for the wood around here.
Hi Tinman , cheers for all the good info !
Over here in uk the 357xp is a popular little saw could you do a idiots guide to porting one with a hyway head ? I’ve a few a would love to squeeze a few more beans out of it
Many thanks James
That's a very good saw wish that I could find one I miss mine
It looks like a really nice work saw.
Hi Tinman. I strongly encourage you to run about ten tanks and then check the bar. My experience is that the steel is very soft and bar is trashed after what I would consider less than a year homeowner firewood usage. If you rarely use the big bar maybe that is ok. GB 32” bar for $72 seems like a better option to me.
I'm running these rules they fail. This test is far from done.
I bought a holzforma for my little saw, works as I expected for an inexpensive bar and chain combo. For the price I cannot complain but I had low expectations to begin with. It does what it is intended to.
The chains don't stop stretching , 3 tanks later I put on an Oregon .
How tall are you tinman? Trying to figure if that bar length will work for me.
That 266 runs like a champ dude !
Price reflects their quality. They will work.
In my experience the chain does eventually stop stretching, and they are an acceptable bar and chain for the average guy. They are worth what you pay for them.
Excellent video as always. I put my 254 back together and it was running sweet but now it won't idle its reving high then trouble starting after watching you'r videos i think it's the crankshaft seals am i right or am i missing something ???
Was curious about those bars nice video
Nice vidya! Curious on first start up after a port job, do you haveta vary the throttle quite a bit? Or do you warm it up and just go into cutting?
Love the saws. Sounding great.
That 268 gets spicier all the time!
Good review on the bar and chain. Thats an interesting grind on the chain out of the box, eh?
Tinman, would love to see you port a stihl 500i hehe. Maybe Buckin will send you one of his
That Husky sounded really nice. Do you think you'd try a Holzfarma powerhead?
What makes a grunty saw? I assume this means pull or that feeling of torque. Is it the stroke that brings the grunt or bore? I've seen some 70cc saws with low HP and have always assumed it couldn't pull like something smaller with higher HP. I'm sure there is more to it but I'm curious.
Port timing and case volume are also hugr factors. The MS661 is actually fairly gutless out of the box for a 92cc saw. I raised the exhaust roof on one 3 degrees and opened up the transfers and it is a raging screaming beast now. The tree service that I built it for it immediately asked me to port their other five 661s.
I still prefer the Versa cut but I do want to win that saw. Sounds great
Are those square ground or round filed out of the box tin man
I've been using these for awhile n a great option for me as the price is perfect..im hard on my equipment n these are easily replaceable..yea they stretch a bit but I do like their chain n they hold up decently well
I have a 670 Champ whats the different on that 630 super was looking at one the other day looks pretty much the same, great revue 👌
630 is 61cc, 670 is 66.7, and has a Jonsered specific intake boot setup with impulse line where the 630 is Husky style with a block.
The 670 also had a unique air filter to go with the raised filter cover, I don't see them too often anymore, usually see the 630 style filter on them now.
It is said that the 670 had the hottest ported 50mm cylinder on the chassis. I know the last one I did ended up cutting circles around my also ported 272....
timing have you decked a cylinder head on a ported chainsaw w bigger piston and carb I seen buckin run 1 its very hot cutting big like butter 1127 2021
Those bars look like could be rebranded Sugi bar! If thats the case I recant my statement on the bars!😆😆😆😆great video!
Hey Tinman, can you try and flip the holzforma bar? I’ve got a 24” bar and the chain tensioning is scuffed when I flip the bar.
timing had you ever run a ported chainsaw before you started porting chainsaws you're self have you run 1 of donny walkers ported chainsaws what's the difference between both saws 11 26 2021
Good video tinman!
Did the same job today!
In a snowy, and cold Sweden!
I used a 550XPG, and autotune works fine, but i want to be in control😀
The 268, really starts to wake up!
Good test, by the way!
Have you done more muffler mods to it?
I think they are going to be just fine
Just found a Stihl 28" bar and 2 chains, asking price is $60. Might take the plunge if things look ok when I go look
It sounds as though there is a preference for .058 over .050. I have always run the .050, but would be interested to know if there are reasons for preferring .058.
I would also like to know. Does a slightly bulkier gauge make a big difference?
You burn pine and spruce in your wood stove? No issues with the sap coating your exhaust pipe?
Been burning it for 15 years no problems yet
Most chains I've ever run have stretched like that out of the box. The question is if they are done stretching.... if so, then they are good value for money. If they stretch like that every time then they are a waste.
Holly cow that jonsered is a ripper! Is it piped
I've been wanting one of them saws
Both those chains appeared to stretch a mile right off the rip. Hard to tell how loose they were when you started... Saws sure are beauties though!!