I can't give the Sully dude much credit due to spreading provable misnfo e.g. 40 babies but at least for the Aisha 9 year old thing he admits that the majority of Muslims defend Muhummad diddling a 9 year old.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
@@godislove3445 Suleiman dismissed him due to his poor memory. So it's better to prepare using multiple sources; the article on Aisha's marriage from atheism-vs-islam got good coverage on excuses.
Islam learned from Greek Pagan’s, and later Greek Christians. BYZANTINE ( ROMAN EMPIRE ) ASTRONOMY FROM A.D. 1300 EMMANUEL A. PASCHOS Department of Physics, University of Dortmund, Germany. ”…A Byzantine (Roman), article from the 13th century contains advanced astronomical ideas and pre-Copernican diagrams. The models are geocentric but contain improvements on the trajectories of the Moon and Mercury. This talk presents several models and compares them briefly with the Astronomy of Ptolemy, Arabic Astronomies of that time and the heliocentric system…” “……In contrast to Western Europeans "the Arabs had virtually full access to that, Greek, heritage from the eighth century onward. This occurred because of a momentous translation effort whereby the great works of Greece and other cultures were translated in Arabic". Later on (12th and 13th centuries) the classical knowledge was transmitted to Western Europe through Byzantine and Arabic sources and Irish monks who travelled across Europe founding monasteries and scriptoria..….” “ …The Shape of the Earth It is generally believed that everybody who read Aristotle knew that the earth is spherical. The shape of the earth is not mentioned explicitly in "The Schemata of the Stars", but in five diagrams the earth is drawn as a spherical globe. In figure 2 I show two of the diagrams for solar and lunar eclipses where the earth is spherical. The article was written some 200 years before the voyage of Columbus to America and here we have one more evidence that the Byzantines considered the earth to be spherical. Arabic astronomy also considered the earth to be spherical. An exception to this rule is an article by Cosmas Indicopleustes who wrote the "Christian Topography" around A.D. 550. There he describes the earth to be flat with an inclination relative to the sun, which explained the divisions of day and night. This simple view was not taken very seriously and it was not thought worthy of mention by medieval commentators…”
@@satireofcircumstance6458he is saying that it morphed to be acceptable now. Implying it wasn’t acceptable then and someone wanted to make it presentable, because god telling your prophet to marry and consummate with children probably isn’t a great look
Greek philosophy in europe post roman collapse was plato centric, and it was only through the preservation of figures such as diogenes or socrates via jewish and then islamic scholars that they became popular once more in italy, at the forefront of the renaissance. Non platonic greek philosophy was dead in the greater west for over a millenia.
@@paxelysia8202 pretty ironic that Italians lost Italian history. I understand what sulei was meaning to say, the way he said it just made him seem goofy
Read the Babylonian Talmud. They got all types of demonic stuff in there. 3 yr old girl is all game according to the Talmud. A none J is like cattle. If a J deletes none J, it’s ok, vice versa? No. Even the Torah, in deutronmy, the punishment t for grape is for the man to marry the victim.
Saudi Arabia and Qatar as far as I know were the main benefactors, which is why I seriously question letting a man who’s son took 2 billion dollars from them back in office.
Anyone can google "how old was Aisha Islam?" and immediately discover that the Islamic consensus is that she was married to Muhammad when she was 6 or 7, and the marriage was consummated when she was 9 or 10 and Muhammad was 53.
@@issadinmohamed1177 Literally nowhere in the Bible does it say Mary was 12 lmao... even if it were true, that doesn't make Muhammad any less of a pedo, if the Hadith is true. Keep WADABOUTING harder lmao
@@issadinmohamed1177difference is you guys worship the man who is a Pedophile. We don’t worship Rebecca, Mary or anyone else in Bible besides Jesus Christ.
@@Acesinz Why? I dont care whats written in some book thousands of years ago. Ive read the Bible, the Quran etc. But nowadays you can criticize every religion and say what you want using freedom of speech except for Islam. You want to stop being Christian? Thats fine. Oh you were a Muslim and commit aphostacy? Death sentence. Woman have less rights with Islam and so do other men with a differents sexuality. Islam nowadays is way more extreme than other religions. Its basically like what Christianity was 500 years ago. So yeah i disagree lol
Not Israël but Zionist who controle the west aswell. If you do not see that you are blind. Biden openly calls himself a Zionist... the so called leader of the US...
They tried to colonize Palestine unsuccessfully for decades. Which is why the balfour declaration was in 1917 but israel was created 3 years after the holocaust in 1948.
Ah colonialism at its best, we always think we're superior class to everyone else. White savior to The rest of the savages. History repeats itself always.
colonialism at its finest, Thank goodness for the white savior everyone else is savages compared to their own thinking. Funny how history repeats itself.
So is leaving Islam or declaring yourself gay. And pogroms against Christians and Jews in Islamic countries are commonplace, Which is why few Jews or Christians are left in Islamic countries.
No, it was destiny who was bad faith. Read hamas charter article 31. Israel 1000 times bigger terrorists than hamas. People who are out of the matrix know it Very well.
@@KamilDeKerelit seems like hes just making insane claims that no other pro-palestine person has said and then follow it with “and even the israeli side confirm it” Either hes got information nobody else does or hes lying.
@@ryangee6754 15km is 6.8 miles which is "right next to" in my book. As a kid I would walk or bike 6 miles to school like it was nothing. This all seems like such short distances does it really matter?
@@erikkovacs3097bro no, 15km is like a 4hs and 15 minutes walk, that's not close by any stretch of the imagination, there are towns separated by 15km. Just open up Google maps and do some tests.
@@erikkovacs3097 So if someone said “there’s actually a playground right next to my house”, you wouldn’t be at all surprised if it turned out that the playground was 15 kilometres away from their house?
This is one of the major points that is lost on people when speaking of Islam. Same thing with Communists which is why their factions came together for the revolution in Iran. Obviously every tribe or clan lies but ideologies that allow lying as a means to an end are extra caustic.
@@YTUser-lv8mb It's funny that even scholars will lie to Moslems to hide the truth about Islam. All Muslims are to follow Muhammad’s example and not ask questions while actively leading sceptics astray. Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." ... [Bukhari Vol 5 Book 59 Num 369] Lying today Imam Abu Hammid Ghazali says: "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible." (Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745) Al-Ghazali is one of the most famous and respected Muslim theologians of all time.
@@MustafaKhan-fx3ye Yes it is, it's called taqiyya. It's usually involved so muslims can lie about not being muslims if saying the truth could be a danger to them, however the notion has largely been extended today to allow muslims to lie about everything to non-believers.
I love how he confronts destiny at end about the 9 year old wife of Muhammad being not exactly canon but then states that most Muslims believe Aishah was in fact 9. What a weird point.
That's because his first statement was a lie. Almost all classical sources say she was either 6 or 7 when she got married and 9 when the marriage was consummated.
Islam has their dumbass Hadith system which allows multiple contradictory things to still be part of the religion. There are "authentic" hadith saying she was 6 and "authentic" hadith saying she was older. Muslims will jump between these different "authentic" scholarly positions as it suits them. So he wants to maintain the idea that Muhammad wasn't a pedophile without disputing the VAST majority of Muslim scholarship saying he was.
The only reason he’s disagreeing with the age of Aisha is because of our current morality and he knows it makes Islam look bad. The fact that Aisha was 9 years old, which comes from Sahih Bukhari the most credible Hadith, is a consensus among Islamic scholars. This is not a highly debated topic among actual Islamic scholars and the only people who defend it are people like Suleiman here, cause it makes his religion and prophet look bad. Even when you look at Islamic history, the age the girls forced to marry which is happening even to this day in Islamic countries, there is a reason for it.
And in the west the governments force 13 year old girls to separate from their older boyfriends. Same thing. You both claim ownership over the bodies of these girls and take away their human rights.
And in the west the governments force th3rte3n year old girls to separate from their older boyfriends. Same thing. You both claim ownership over their bodies and take away their human rights.
@skankhunt42002 I'm talking about the hamas charter that says they have no problem with Jewish people but zionism. The charter that noone read but everyone loves bringing up to justify Israeli warcrimes
@@truthseeker-nv6ny when a bunch of palestinians go to the streets celebrating october 7th like they won the super bowl i think i can make the assumption they aren’t fond of judaism. wouldn’t u agree?
I'm impressed that the Muslims created democracy before the 6th century BC imported it to the greeks... then didn't bother using it on basically any of their own nations, and were so humble they also didn't bother taking credit for it.
You are simply uninformed about this matter. Democracy, especially in the ancient world, but also in its own right as a concept, does not mean "a modern, liberal, free-market society". It just meant any system where the people - and people was a pretty narrow term, considering it only applied to land owning, older men - got to directly influence the course of their country's leadership. It was a much looser concept back then. You let any non-politicians get a say in politics? You're doing democracy. That was basically the ancient idea of democracy.
@@adnanm9435no the first topic was is Islam the future 😂 notice destiny doesn’t even mention them in that. If he did that for Israel fine but he’s clearly obsessed
As does Atheism but Destiny will ignore that because that would render his point irrelevant. Certain people by their very nature will radicalize anything they become attached to in a personal way be that religion or science, look at how people took the science behind the Covid vaccines and mask mandates. It was entirely in the same vein as any religious fanatic would be over their particular mantras and scriptures
@@benjames1497 so murdering thousands of people in the name of God during the Holy Wars wasn't Sinister? Or how about all the beheading, drownings, draggings, and rockings in the name of Allah? Can you tell me how many Jewish extremist acts have happened over the past 2000 years? Because I can tell you about Christian and Muslim ones all day, and don't let me get into China. It's hilarious to think Jews are anymore dangerous than Christians. Or that literally any religion is more dangerous than the other because it's the people, and the people with Islam tend to literally murder anyone that disagrees with them. So who's really sinister.
@@benjames1497jews dont execute apostates. Jews dont believe in lying for their religion. Jews do not charge a jizya tax for abrahamic religions and execute pagans. Jews do not believe you can take sex slaves. Jews do not believe in killing critics of their religion. Jews do not believe they have to dominate the world. Jews dont believe in rental wives. Jews dont believe that killing infidels or suicide bombing is a free ticket to heaven. Judaism is nothing compared to islam
@@TheOneMastodonyou talk about thousands of pages you dont understand and ignore the evidence of your eyes? Theres been literally 1 jewish suicide bomber in all of history
@TheOneMastodon What's the talmud exactly? Is it the word of God like the qurran claims to be? Or is it a debate book about random topics that often times contradicts itself because again it's mostly debates of how a law from the torah should be practiced? You can be a religious jew without the talmud but you can't be a Muslim without the qurran.
I'm from the UK and sadly this Muslim is absolutely typical of a UK Muslim. It'd be nice if his views were unrepresentative of UK Muslims but this is not the case unfortunately. Close-minded beyond belief...
@@MG-pj2ooIt just goes to show that he either wears his belief in God solely on the outside and has no care for honouring God in action, or his god epitomises murderous bigotry and endorses lies told to justify certain murders.
All Destiny needed to say was "Aisha's age being 9 comes from the shahih hadith Bukhari" and his opponent would not be able to deflect because Bukhari is one of the most reputable of all hadiths and shahih is the highest grade of reputability. I wish he did the bare minimum just to look this up because it was an easy slam dunk.
Lol are you a theologan, even a "sahih" hadith can be questioned, that's why you can have different interpretation and schools of thought of the same hadiths
Can you tell me of a debate where that point was brought up and the other person didn't argue against it? Or do you think that no one else has thought of implementing this argument in a debate before you? (Obviously a debate about the age, not one in which they agreed on the age going in)
@@yakov95000 because everything aisha said doesn't mean it is not true, One interpretation is Aisha was told her age she can't know like other things she saw. So sahih hadith can be interpreted differently in numerous ways with a lot of different subjects like prayer and other rituals. And there can be others who reject some hadith based on much sahih a hadith actually is for historical reasons.
I’m a Christian and I’ve been to Israel 4 times through my life and I’ve never been mistreated or hated on for being Christian and I’ve never seen it happen there either. Sulaiman is straight up lying and doesn’t know what he’s talking about most of the time or just straight up ignores it and pivots. I genuinely lost brain cells listening to him speak.
@@SaraSila08 I mean if I had a choice I’d rather have my tax money go to Israel than Hamas. Hey quick question, why didn’t Hamas build any bomb shelters or any infrastructure to protect their civilians during a war which they always start? & lmao I have family that lives there that’s Christian and they don’t get mistreated whatsoever. You’re literally just lying and spreading false propaganda 😂
It was unreal his lies were insane 😅😂 like way above normal hamas propaganda, did he say they were being friends with the ravers walking slowly at one point? 😭😭
@anthonyj4529 "the only reason hamas killed people at the festival was cos they were scared they would get killed themselve" like MADNESS bro he's making it sound like their plan was to just attend the festival like they showed up in shades and fannypacks trying to get their rave on
@adeptgopnik first off jews don't have their own police in the UK. They have a neighbourhood watch group for one area in London which is literally for everyone who lives there. He's a sneaky, lying islamist
This guy regularly hosts spaces on twitter where he and his guests make outwardly conspiratorial claims about Jewish world domination and other anti-Jewish tropes. He is not a serious person
Most muslims believe in this. They have a deep hatred towards jews which comes from Islam. Zionism has nothing to do with it, they just use it as a disguise to mask their animalic antisemitism.
@@Tiasung 4 real. Islam is on a comeup and we have to be careful. Its the WORST scariest brainrot because they will kill behind it. It's hard for us to understand cause they believe in their paradise which makes them dangerous
Sulaiman just going "nah, everything you just said is wrong and there's lots of evidence, everyone knows it" as he is the last one to speak on the topic and he won't be fact checked by the moderators.
That wasnt the point of them moderating this debate but ok and anyone with a braincell should know that the last person to speak doesnt mean they won in that topic. They were literally taking turns
Why should you mock any religion in the first place?Why not debate them and show them that their ideas are wrong before insulting them. A decent person doesn’t go around mocking people. You wouldn’t like it if someone mocked your family or something you hold as value. Mocking people or any religion is a disgusting act. You debate a people you disagree with, you don’t mock them.
@@Gaucho215because they are childish and unfounded. It’s like astrology. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism. All attempts to give people who lived and starved all the time a purpose.
@@Gaucho215 you can mock AND religion you want, we live in a WESTERN democratic society with free speech and the right to laugh at/insult whoever we want.
Everything he's saying is very calculated. He's smart to attack Judaism more than promote Islam in front of this audience. It's so ironic because all the people that "the Jews" are supposedly using to destroy the West through mass immigration are Muslims. And now we're also seeing a lot of these Muslim immigrants ally with the radical left (also controlled by "the Jews" of course) to hold the Democratic party hostage and possibly get Trump elected because they oppose what country? The one that's 80% Jews? So it's a conspiracy-theory with an outcome that's literally the exact opposite of what the theory would predict. But no evidence is going to change someone as ideologically-captured as a hardcore Islamist or neo-Nazi.
@@OddC00kie9I get the feeling from every clip and piece of content from them that I’ve ever seen, that they are not intelligent and also uneducated on politics beyond men/women dynamics in society, with a lot of their opinions concerning their “specialty” seeming to be childish and overly emotional
@@josephmother2659well good thing they are hosting the debate and probably one of the best hosts I’ve seen although the clown destiny was debating was an absolute fool
2 or 3 times in the debate I really thought those arguments are 95% the same neo-nazis in Germany use today trying to rehabilitate not Hitler but the underlying ideology of his party the NSDAP.
@Sos.U2 the moon wasn't cut in half waiting to be summoned up to rise, jews weren't turned into rats, stars aren't lanterns to be thrown at demons, women aren't half as intelligent as men. There are plenty of demonstrable errors in the text that have nothing to do with evolving languages or translation: * semen does not come from between the backbone and the ribs * sperm does not form congealed blood. Congealed blood does not form lumps of flesh. * Embryos are not formed from semen * Gender is not decided at "clot stage" * Bones aren't formed before flesh * Not all organisms are created in pairs * The heart is not a locus of contemplation and thought * milk is not produced in the body somewhere between excretions and blood * the sun does not set in a muddy spring * Earth and heavens were not formed in six days * Earth was not formed before the stars * Earth is not 'spread out' and laid flat * The stars are not lamps smaller than the earth, nor can they fall from the sky * There is no stage in the formation of the universe that involved smoke (carbon particles suspended as a result of combustion; the word translated smoke is the noun dukhan دُخَانٍ, which means literal smoke of the sort that rises from a fire * Quran 65:12 plainly states that there exist seven earths. * the sun and moon are not of comparable size and distance * two Qur'anic verses that say the Moon is a "light". Instead, the word noor (nooran نُورًا) is used, which simply means "a light", and, in another verse, the word muneer (muneeran مُّنِيرًا) is used, which means "giving light" and is from the same root as noor * Meteors are not stars fired at devils * The sky/heaven is not a ceiling that can fall down * the keeping and breaking of a fast and the times of prayer, among other things, are related to times of sunrise and sunset. But there are regions of the earth where the sun rises and sets only once a year. * First humans were not created from clay * There were no Adam & Eve * There is no permanent barrier between "the two seas" of fresh and salt water. Estuaries, often used as an excuse, are not permanent. * Mountains are not pegs that prevent the earth from shifting. They are in fact the result of shifting tectonic plates. * Mountains were not cast upon Earth * Earthquakes are not a punishment * There are no mountains of hail in the sky * Allah doesn't smite with thunderbolts * Ants do not converse with humans * Horses were not created as transportation * Not all animals live in communities * Bird flight is not a miracle * There is no massive wall of iron anywhere on the Earth * Mary is not considered part of the Trinity * David did not invent coats of mail * There were no crucifixions in ancient Egypt * Nabatean rock tombs at al-Hijr were not homes and palaces from before the time of Pharaoh * The Qu'ran states that Moses dealt with a Samarian during his time. However the Samarians did not exist until well over half a millennium after Moses is supposed to have existed.
26:00 "Hamas is treating them so well! Theyre treating them like angels!" Dude this guy is such a clown/mindless shill, does he actually believe anyone's falling for that? Just gross
Have you seen how kids being locked up in Israeli prisons how they been treated ?? Israelis are torturing the Palestinians for 70+ years now. This 7th of October attack happened cz anyone who is being enslaved for 70 years, controlled, raped, tortured, killed, etc… would the least take revenge at some point. What would you think the best way to react if you are being oppressed for 70 years? Clap for the Israelis? Or kiss them on the other cheek? I have friends in Palestine, their mother had cancer in her kidney for her to move from one hospital to another inside West Bank by ambulance takes her up to 6 hours due to the bullying of the Israelis and checkpoints. That is inside West Bank and not Gaza where Hamas is. Do you think that if I have control of your house and family with oppression and enslavement, would you be happy about it or you would defend yourself? Hamas took them hostages and attacked, cz they have no other way to solve this. No point of resolution to this matter in any other political way.
Answer to your question is yes, he totally believes he can convince the most Ill-informed individuals at college campuses and convince woke/left individuals who watch TYT Cenk Yogurt.
@@ign_Kage Disinformation doesn't have sources to CITE? This guy objectively is a disinformation peddler, from Islam to Tate, this guy cannot be trusted.
Sulaiman is disingenious. Most of the scientists in the Islamic golden age were secular and shied away from religion. They had those achievements in spite of Islam. There's a reason why they haven't been able to do anything notable for 800 years.
Some scientists and intellectuals in the golden age were kind of secular or skeptic e.g Khayyam. Yet the other majority were still Muslim e.g Ibn Khaldun, Ibn Sina, Ibn Rushd ... All scientists and intellectuals regardless of their religions or lack thereof influence the advancement in their societies.
This is a sub-25 year old thing to say. Folks hated us long before every college aged white girl decided this place was the worst but won't fuckin leave.
I saw the report where the "40 beheaded babies" claim came from. They never actually said that. They said there were beheaded babies, and that there were 40 dead babies. Not that there were 40 beheaded babies. Sulaiman Ahmed is lying about it.
Hold up, did dude just say the Greeks got democracy from the Muslims? My man has no clue about history or even timelines. The Greeks were practicing democracy before Islam was a religion… like 1,000 years prior… And, we got Democracy and knowledge of the Greeks mainly from the Romans. Persians absolutely ruined a lot of the legacies of the Greeks, and most of the preservation efforts came from their European neighbors. Funny he didn’t mention the Byzantine Empire and their legacy. The Muslims did a great job preserving that right?
Aisha being 9 is from the hadith which is considered Sahih and considered trusted by all Sunni muslims. The understanding of the Hijab also comes from the hadith. The quran is very small but the hadith and the tafsir are very large.
Well the Quran says nothing about the Hadith. So not all Muslims accept all hadiths automatically. That’s just false. The Ayesha one is specially highly distorted.
@@abbbadri I'm glad you atleast don't enjoy pedophilia like a lot of islamic apologists. The quran says to follow Mohammed, the way to do that is through the hadith so yes it does say that you should follow the hadith. Which ever ones you choose to believe in hardly matters when scholars that govern the religion and interpret sharia agree on the collections where she is stated to be 9.
@@notaloneinrsa1345 Quran mentions you have an excellent example in Mohammed and the hadith mention that he married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9. So, yes.
@@adutchman1403you are right the Quran says to follow Mohammad and his sayings. But if u look at the single hadith talking about Aishas age, you would see that it was narrated by AISHA herself, not the prophet. Rejecting it isn't something that would be against Islam. I'm not saying she lied, but she has no way of knowing her own age, and there might be a whole different method of counting years, remember we are talking about something 1400 yrs ago.
"They were going for military hostages" You can understand, of course, why they filmed themselves kidnapping babies like kfir bibas. Infants look a LOT like soldiers, you know.
And the 84 year old grandma with dementia they kidnapped on the golf cart, she was actually special ops Mossad agent that allowed herself to be captured to infiltrate Hamas.
bad argument, and i'm on destiny's side here. Implying that something doesn't work because it didn't work for something other than it's intended purpose is not coherent.
@@YAHOOISNOTGit wasn’t even really an argument, it’s a commonly repeated joke. As far as I’m concerned, the purpose of praying for anything is to have an extradimensional being influence events in your favor, which is asinine and has never even once proven to work.
The Hadith said she was 9. In Islam if you deny the Hadith that is considered blasphemy and punishment is death. You are not a Muslim if you don’t believe in the Hadith
Who the fuck tells you people these things? I genuinely wonder if you have ever interacted with a Muslim in your life or whether it all comes from Isis rhetoric with a sprinkle of the Muslim Brotherhood. "If you dont believe in all the hadith you are a fake Muslim that will be executed" Retardation beyond comprehension
@@nunchuksteev9811 The reality is, public discussion like this is a bit like fishing. Jordan is a big fish. He's big enough that if you are too antagonistic and pull the line too hard, it'll just snap and he'll just pull out. Smaller fish like Sulaiman here are so thankful for exposure that you can really abuse them and they'll stay on the hook because they stand to gain no matter how poor their performance is. The bigger the platform the more cordial the treatment you need to use.
We have been here since 610 you’ll be fine mate. There hasn’t been an ideology that hasn’t done something that wouldn’t make you utter those same words against them.
Aisha was 6 according to the Islamic calendar. Which puts her at 5 years old using the Gregorian calendar when mohammed married her. The marriage was consummated when she was 9 (8).
"The greek philosophy, theology and science came from islamic civilizations". I guess Plato was influenced by a random abrahamic sect created more than 2000 years later.
What he meant that during Islamic Golden Age,Arabs allowed and promoted translating older works to Arabic,ironically the most famous translator was also one greatest Jewish thinkers/Rabbis in history and the personal physician/doctor of Saladin and his family,Maimonedes in Greek/Latin(Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon/RamBam)his translations of Aristotle was read by Thomas Aquinas who reintroduced Greek philosophy to the Church and Europe,in short Greeks thought,the Muslims allowed it to be remembered,the Jews wrote and translated and Christians got the information(probably from local Jews I imagine).
This sulaiman guy is like the intellectual commie journalists covering the holodomor in the 1930’s claiming there was no famine in Ukraine or genocide.
@@warrioremperor6320 I can’t read the Hamas terrorists minds. Hamas states in their charter that they would like to eradicate all Jews from the face of the Earth with Islamic justification (Article 7 from the original Hamas charter based on the Hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari 2926). Did they intent a genocide? Arguable it’s not off the table. But massacre with the same justification tactics as was in the Holodomor- “Oh they did it to themselves, and there’s no evidence of rape and the number is smaller blah blah blah despite the overwhelming evidence from eye witnesses, medical assessments, religious justification, Hamas documents, Hamas leaders interviews before and after October 7th and so on.
there was no famine in Ukraine, the starved themselves and then ate themselves, there was no evidence that the Soviet Union ordered the Ukrainians to not eat food
They say the same thing over and over....."blah blah blah, Israeli terrorist regime....blah blah blah, we blame jews for everything". It is so tiresome and soooo full of hate.
Pro Hamas you mean? Destiny himself does pro Palestinian debating better than anyone I've seen, but this guy is straight up the same kind of Hamas Nazi propaganda.
I will say it is quite hilarious (ignoring all the actual tragedy of the situation) to hear this guy basically say that after hamas invaded they basically stood around and watched the IDF come in and mass murder and rape their own citizens and thought that shit was crazy and left
@@rikudotenin9773 🗣Muslims: _"Allah is THE SAME god that Adam and Jesus worshipped!"_ 🤔: *But Allah is an Arabic word. Allah ONLY accepts prayers in Arabic. Adam, Jesus, and NONE of the prophets SPOKE Arabic* 🗣Muslims: 🫠 🤔: Not a muslim list 📃🚫☪ -Adam, Jesus (and whoever else islam tries desperately to claim)-
The fact this guy denies that Oct 7th was a terrorist attack is why there will never be peace. This conspiracy is honestly disgusting. Peace really is not an option.
Wild af the he tried justify the festival massacre…like a festival being a day late (or whatever) makes it okay do annihilate 200+ unarmed party goers….crazyyyyyy
Lmfao people justify what Israel does to innocents and don’t call it terrorism but wanna call it when the other side does it. I don’t mind calling both terrorism
@@Shiroyashasama Id suggest you look up the meaning of terrorism then. I guess you think when the allies bombed germany in ww2 killing 400,000 civilians that was terrorism?
If somewhat reasonable is to the answer to the questions: is Islam the path? is Islam the religion of peace? With: but the Jews, and the Jews, because Zionist conspiracy. 🙄His claim that Muslim are the proletariat and will therefore inherit the earth, was just the cherry on top.
The Muslims invaders in Egypt burned down the library of Alexandria- the largest library in the world, full of treasures. The reason is nothing mattered before Islam
@@Deansmina They also burned down Nalanda University in india . It was a Buddhist University and the biggest at that time . They have a habit of burning everything down , so that people forget about it overtime.
@sidy6526 exactly right. Muslims are so insecure in their faith and scared of opposing ideas that they think killing everyone else and burning their history to smithereens is the best way to come out on top.
16 minutes in and this dude says democracy was invented by Muslims and that Hamas didn’t mean to attack the music festival because it “wasn’t supposed to be there.” Absolutely absurd arguments.
Sulaiman Ahmed is such a slippery bastard, and I can't believe Destiny didn't pull him up on it during the age of consent in Islam segment. Fresh begins by asking "What is the age of consent in Islam", and Sulaiman NEVER answered it, he just immediately went on the offensive over Aisha's purported age, thereby dodging it entirely. And the conversation never circled back around to that initial question.
@@randomhuman2595 It's about... handing over property to orphans once they reach "marriage age", if they're considered mature enough... so orphaned children can reach marriage age before being mature enough to be given what belongs to them? Sounds weird.
@@user-ri1vc4qv8j He said AISHA was 18, didn't he? Not that that's the age of consent. At least I thought that's what I heard. Because he turned the whole conversation into just about Aisha.
Islam learned from Greek Pagan’s, and later Greek Christians. BYZANTINE ( ROMAN EMPIRE ) ASTRONOMY FROM A.D. 1300 EMMANUEL A. PASCHOS Department of Physics, University of Dortmund, Germany. ”…A Byzantine (Roman), article from the 13th century contains advanced astronomical ideas and pre-Copernican diagrams. The models are geocentric but contain improvements on the trajectories of the Moon and Mercury. This talk presents several models and compares them briefly with the Astronomy of Ptolemy, Arabic Astronomies of that time and the heliocentric system…” “……In contrast to Western Europeans "the Arabs had virtually full access to that, Greek, heritage from the eighth century onward. This occurred because of a momentous translation effort whereby the great works of Greece and other cultures were translated in Arabic". Later on (12th and 13th centuries) the classical knowledge was transmitted to Western Europe through Byzantine and Arabic sources and Irish monks who travelled across Europe founding monasteries and scriptoria..….” “ …The Shape of the Earth It is generally believed that everybody who read Aristotle knew that the earth is spherical. The shape of the earth is not mentioned explicitly in "The Schemata of the Stars", but in five diagrams the earth is drawn as a spherical globe. In figure 2 I show two of the diagrams for solar and lunar eclipses where the earth is spherical. The article was written some 200 years before the voyage of Columbus to America and here we have one more evidence that the Byzantines considered the earth to be spherical. Arabic astronomy also considered the earth to be spherical. An exception to this rule is an article by Cosmas Indicopleustes who wrote the "Christian Topography" around A.D. 550. There he describes the earth to be flat with an inclination relative to the sun, which explained the divisions of day and night. This simple view was not taken very seriously and it was not thought worthy of mention by medieval commentators…”
@BadBigBody Quaranism is fringe. Most are either Western reverts or secret apostates, because so much of the traditions, down to the way they pray, comes from the sunnah/hadiths.
@@EM-fo6yrthat is irrelevant since we live in the year of 2024. The qu'ran on the other hand is to be followed for all times, doesn't matter if the year is 1850 or 2024
Chat is right. Surah 65:4 which is literally in the Quran gives a waiting period for women after their divorce and it specifically mentions those that have not yet menstruated, aka it condones marrying and divorcing literal children
So you just make up your own things? Who doesnt menstruate? The woman who got pregnant. So what does this wise verse say? If the womand does NOT menstruate, and therefor is PREGNANT, please have a waiting period and gather your thoughts before you make a final descision on divorcing. Do you see how my explanation is not framed like yours?
@@HolyDesolateLordsee my comment, i dont need to argue. The reasoning behind is stated by me, who actually knows about these things. You can do whatever you want with the answer. Just stop framing bs.
@@Reyfii “As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery” why does it specifically say women past the age of menstruation then? Why is their waiting period separate? It also puts theirs and “those that have not menstruated” together in the same sentence. It’s a separate clause from pregnant women
The irony on Sulaiman's name. "Sulaiman is an English transliteration of the Arabic name سليمان that means "peaceful" and corresponds to the Jewish name Hebrew: שְׁלֹמֹה, Shlomoh) and the English Solomon (/ˈsɒləmən/) . Solomon was the scriptural figure who was king of what was then the United Kingdom of Israel"
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I can't give the Sully dude much credit due to spreading provable misnfo e.g. 40 babies but at least for the Aisha 9 year old thing he admits that the majority of Muslims defend Muhummad diddling a 9 year old.
you going to hell lol
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).
@@godislove3445 Suleiman dismissed him due to his poor memory. So it's better to prepare using multiple sources; the article on Aisha's marriage from atheism-vs-islam got good coverage on excuses.
Islam learned from Greek Pagan’s, and later Greek Christians.
BYZANTINE ( ROMAN EMPIRE ) ASTRONOMY FROM A.D. 1300
EMMANUEL A. PASCHOS
Department of Physics, University of Dortmund, Germany.
”…A Byzantine (Roman), article from the 13th century contains advanced astronomical ideas and pre-Copernican diagrams. The models are geocentric but contain improvements on the trajectories of the Moon and Mercury. This talk presents several models and compares them briefly with the Astronomy of Ptolemy, Arabic Astronomies of that time and the heliocentric system…”
“……In contrast to Western Europeans "the Arabs had virtually full access to that, Greek, heritage from the eighth century onward. This occurred because of a momentous translation effort whereby the great works of Greece and other cultures were translated in Arabic". Later on (12th and 13th centuries) the classical knowledge was transmitted to Western Europe through Byzantine and Arabic sources and Irish monks who travelled across Europe founding monasteries and scriptoria..….”
“ …The Shape of the Earth
It is generally believed that everybody who read Aristotle knew that the earth is spherical. The shape of the earth is not mentioned explicitly in "The Schemata of the Stars", but in five diagrams the earth is drawn as a spherical globe. In figure 2 I show two of the diagrams for solar and lunar eclipses where the earth is spherical. The article was written some 200 years before the voyage of Columbus to America and here we have one more evidence that the Byzantines considered the earth to be spherical. Arabic astronomy also considered the earth to be spherical.
An exception to this rule is an article by Cosmas Indicopleustes who wrote the "Christian Topography" around A.D. 550. There he describes the earth to be flat with an inclination relative to the sun, which explained the divisions of day and night. This simple view was not taken very seriously and it was not thought worthy of mention by medieval commentators…”
“I believe Aisha was 18” ah super convenient that she happened to be the age that is socially acceptable now a thousand years later
Lmaoooo
@@EM-fo6yr no there isn't
It's not 18. 18 is meaningless.
@@EM-fo6yrI've never met a 17 year old that plays with dolls
@@satireofcircumstance6458he is saying that it morphed to be acceptable now. Implying it wasn’t acceptable then and someone wanted to make it presentable, because god telling your prophet to marry and consummate with children probably isn’t a great look
The muslim guy saying we got democracy from muslims is a joke 😅😅😅
Greeks works were lost in Europe but translated by Arabs in your dark ages. So yeah you got them now from the Arabs. You deny that ?
@@BrikMalek So they translated it but didn't enforce it?
Democracy straight contradicts abrahamic religious laws.
@@BrikMalekboi you more dense than tungsten
Yea unfortunately he’s ridiculously brainwashed
@@misternap1346 I hit you with straight facts. Mary gave birth at the age of 12, so she was pregnant at 11. COPE
First five minutes the guy already claimed Greek philosophy was outgrown from Islam😂 Timeline doesnt work that way😂
Clearly the prophet and allah can warp through time
@@LegiamasC-OnTwittaMust be with their Magic Carpet.
Greek philosophy in europe post roman collapse was plato centric, and it was only through the preservation of figures such as diogenes or socrates via jewish and then islamic scholars that they became popular once more in italy, at the forefront of the renaissance.
Non platonic greek philosophy was dead in the greater west for over a millenia.
It's actually downright scary how delusional the average Muslim seems to be. Like I don't even find it funny anymore.
@@paxelysia8202 pretty ironic that Italians lost Italian history. I understand what sulei was meaning to say, the way he said it just made him seem goofy
He is so obsessed with Jews that it was his only counter to any argument, insane
No way he called Judaism more extreme 💀
that's real hate, my woke liberals reading here.
It is tho. Everything you think is bad in islam, you’ll find worse in Judaism.
@@Eastonwest71 Not today, not historically.
Read the Babylonian Talmud. They got all types of demonic stuff in there. 3 yr old girl is all game according to the Talmud. A none J is like cattle. If a J deletes none J, it’s ok, vice versa? No. Even the Torah, in deutronmy, the punishment t for grape is for the man to marry the victim.
@@nicolasbascunan4013 1 samuel 15? delete the malamutes, delete their women, children, infants even their livestock. Not even donkeys are safe.
Muslims when confronted: "Islam has nothing to do with Islam"
Bro this made me laugh so hard
for real tho
Fr lmao
Or: the jewa
you need to listen to
Damn this dude actually just denied reality for an hour
Who?
Who?
2?
Y’all sound like owls
Ahmed obviously @lukacsszaitli5246
The Muslim dude implying isreal was behind nine eleven is the ultimate cope/brain rot
It was tho
jews can't melt steel beams.
@@KronoDeathwingonly if you a room a temperature iq and are prone to believe conspiracy theories
There is a strong possibility that israelis were behind 9/11 look into the dancing israelis on 9/11
Saudi Arabia and Qatar as far as I know were the main benefactors, which is why I seriously question letting a man who’s son took 2 billion dollars from them back in office.
Anyone can google "how old was Aisha Islam?" and immediately discover that the Islamic consensus is that she was married to Muhammad when she was 6 or 7, and the marriage was consummated when she was 9 or 10 and Muhammad was 53.
In the bibble Mary married Joseph when she was only 12 yo
Again In the Bible Rebecca married Isaac when she was 3 yo
@@issadinmohamed1177 Literally nowhere in the Bible does it say Mary was 12 lmao... even if it were true, that doesn't make Muhammad any less of a pedo, if the Hadith is true.
Keep WADABOUTING harder lmao
@@issadinmohamed1177difference is you guys worship the man who is a Pedophile. We don’t worship Rebecca, Mary or anyone else in Bible besides Jesus Christ.
What lmao @@issadinmohamed1177
But have you considered
MUH
HERMENEUTICS?
The muslim guy lost me the moment he said Judaism is more extreme then Islam...
what
Have you read any of the old testament and talmud?
Parts of it but not everything.
@@InsanityltselfRead everything then comment buddy
@@Acesinz Why? I dont care whats written in some book thousands of years ago. Ive read the Bible, the Quran etc. But nowadays you can criticize every religion and say what you want using freedom of speech except for Islam. You want to stop being Christian? Thats fine. Oh you were a Muslim and commit aphostacy? Death sentence.
Woman have less rights with Islam and so do other men with a differents sexuality. Islam nowadays is way more extreme than other religions.
Its basically like what Christianity was 500 years ago.
So yeah i disagree lol
@@Acesinzwhat percent of Jews think you can marry a nine year old or kill apostates
Wouldn't be surprised if this guy blames isreal for the holocaust
Not Israël but Zionist who controle the west aswell. If you do not see that you are blind. Biden openly calls himself a Zionist... the so called leader of the US...
obvious sacrifice for greater end game
Loll
You think he believes the Holocaust actually happened? Lol
They tried to colonize Palestine unsuccessfully for decades. Which is why the balfour declaration was in 1917 but israel was created 3 years after the holocaust in 1948.
Destiny's opening statement:"Fuck yeah America!"
Sulaiman's opening statement:"Why can't I be antisemitic?!"
Most people in the world knows nothing and doesn't care about the world outside of their country... ruling the world doesn't mean much... I guess.
Why can you be racist? lmao
Thanks for sharing....nothing
That's not what he said...
@@non-blogger he said "why can't i say mean things about the holocaust" can you explain what that means?
Beheading for insulting religion is the actual LAW in many muslim countries. So primitive.
No. Primitive can be wise at times. They're just evil.
Ah colonialism at its best, we always think we're superior class to everyone else. White savior to The rest of the savages. History repeats itself always.
colonialism at its finest, Thank goodness for the white savior everyone else is savages compared to their own thinking. Funny how history repeats itself.
So is leaving Islam or declaring yourself gay. And pogroms against Christians and Jews in Islamic countries are commonplace, Which is why few Jews or Christians are left in Islamic countries.
Lol The channel is hiding comments 😂😂😂
And I thought Hassan was bad faith, Sulaiman is the fucking emperor of bad faith
No, it was destiny who was bad faith. Read hamas charter article 31.
Israel 1000 times bigger terrorists than hamas. People who are out of the matrix know it Very well.
Fake news. You must be a Zionist apache helicopter pilot
@@le_rayon_vertyou got any examples? i'm intrigued
@@KamilDeKerelit seems like hes just making insane claims that no other pro-palestine person has said and then follow it with “and even the israeli side confirm it”
Either hes got information nobody else does or hes lying.
@@harryb12993 damn i see, so he's a grifter for his own religion?
This is the wildest cope I have ever seen. Hamas filmed themselves doing horrible shit.
these people should be forced to watch the footage tbh...
but... but... the JEWWWWWS!!!!!
@@prettyokandy230he'd just get off on it.
As does the IDF but nothing has happened to the IDF
@@gmallory cope haha
A fact check: Nova festival was 5 km from the border; the kibbutz was 1.8 km from the border so Destiny was correct
Even 15km is walking distance. So I would consider that "right next to".
@@ryangee6754 15km is 6.8 miles which is "right next to" in my book. As a kid I would walk or bike 6 miles to school like it was nothing. This all seems like such short distances does it really matter?
@@erikkovacs3097bro no, 15km is like a 4hs and 15 minutes walk, that's not close by any stretch of the imagination, there are towns separated by 15km. Just open up Google maps and do some tests.
@@erikkovacs3097 So if someone said “there’s actually a playground right next to my house”, you wouldn’t be at all surprised if it turned out that the playground was 15 kilometres away from their house?
Bro is deluded 6.8m right next door 😅😅😅
Sulaiman clearly understands that lying is permitted if it promotes Islam.
This is one of the major points that is lost on people when speaking of Islam. Same thing with Communists which is why their factions came together for the revolution in Iran. Obviously every tribe or clan lies but ideologies that allow lying as a means to an end are extra caustic.
According to Islamic scholars, lying is not permitted to promote islam.
no its not
@@YTUser-lv8mb It's funny that even scholars will lie to Moslems to hide the truth about Islam. All Muslims are to follow Muhammad’s example and not ask questions while actively leading sceptics astray.
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." ... [Bukhari Vol 5 Book 59 Num 369]
Lying today
Imam Abu Hammid Ghazali says: "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible." (Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745) Al-Ghazali is one of the most famous and respected Muslim theologians of all time.
@@MustafaKhan-fx3ye Yes it is, it's called taqiyya. It's usually involved so muslims can lie about not being muslims if saying the truth could be a danger to them, however the notion has largely been extended today to allow muslims to lie about everything to non-believers.
I love how he confronts destiny at end about the 9 year old wife of Muhammad being not exactly canon but then states that most Muslims believe Aishah was in fact 9. What a weird point.
That's because his first statement was a lie. Almost all classical sources say she was either 6 or 7 when she got married and 9 when the marriage was consummated.
Islam has their dumbass Hadith system which allows multiple contradictory things to still be part of the religion. There are "authentic" hadith saying she was 6 and "authentic" hadith saying she was older. Muslims will jump between these different "authentic" scholarly positions as it suits them.
So he wants to maintain the idea that Muhammad wasn't a pedophile without disputing the VAST majority of Muslim scholarship saying he was.
It's weasely
The minimum age of adulthood is 9 for women in islam . Strange coincidence.
@@RandoBurneractually it’s worst. There’s a verse in the Quran that say you can marry and have sex with pre pubescent girls and then divorce then.
The only reason he’s disagreeing with the age of Aisha is because of our current morality and he knows it makes Islam look bad.
The fact that Aisha was 9 years old, which comes from Sahih Bukhari the most credible Hadith, is a consensus among Islamic scholars. This is not a highly debated topic among actual Islamic scholars and the only people who defend it are people like Suleiman here, cause it makes his religion and prophet look bad. Even when you look at Islamic history, the age the girls forced to marry which is happening even to this day in Islamic countries, there is a reason for it.
He said Aisha being 9 isn't a tenant of Islam but the tenants of Islam come from the same source that confirms she was 9 (AL Bakari) 😂
@@lessthansion that’s also true. Almost all Islamic traditions and tenants come from Hadith.
There is Hadith that the “prophet” argue his companion because he married and adult woman instead a little girl 😂
And in the west the governments force 13 year old girls to separate from their older boyfriends. Same thing. You both claim ownership over the bodies of these girls and take away their human rights.
And in the west the governments force th3rte3n year old girls to separate from their older boyfriends. Same thing. You both claim ownership over their bodies and take away their human rights.
Key takeaways from this debate:
1) Israel mass murdered their own civilians with apache helicopters
2) Israel runs America
3) Israel did 9/11
Pure brainrot for the mssses.
Funny how he was quick to shut down going into more discussion on his 9/11 claim
One of these days I'll find out Israel bombed Pearl Harbor /s
4) Aisha was 18
😂
This guy just said Hamas has no issue with Jewish people. 😂😂😂
I know he just lies nonstop omg that Muslim is just insane
According to their charter no
@@truthseeker-nv6nywhat in the world are u talking about
@skankhunt42002 I'm talking about the hamas charter that says they have no problem with Jewish people but zionism. The charter that noone read but everyone loves bringing up to justify Israeli warcrimes
@@truthseeker-nv6ny when a bunch of palestinians go to the streets celebrating october 7th like they won the super bowl i think i can make the assumption they aren’t fond of judaism. wouldn’t u agree?
I'm impressed that the Muslims created democracy before the 6th century BC imported it to the greeks... then didn't bother using it on basically any of their own nations, and were so humble they also didn't bother taking credit for it.
From a religion that believes that Adam and Eve existed, and were muslims. What do you expect ?
Time traveling muslims.
They believe all the hebrew prophets that existed before Muhammed were actually muslims, this is not out of character for their wacky revisionist bs
EXACTLY!!! HAHAHAHA
You are simply uninformed about this matter. Democracy, especially in the ancient world, but also in its own right as a concept, does not mean "a modern, liberal, free-market society". It just meant any system where the people - and people was a pretty narrow term, considering it only applied to land owning, older men - got to directly influence the course of their country's leadership. It was a much looser concept back then. You let any non-politicians get a say in politics? You're doing democracy. That was basically the ancient idea of democracy.
"But Judaism/Jews/Zionists..." was that guys whole argument
And I thought China hating on Japan was bad, living here in China. This wasn’t “bringing it up a lot.” This was obsession
Yes because that was the topic lmfao
@@adnanm9435no the first topic was is Islam the future 😂 notice destiny doesn’t even mention them in that. If he did that for Israel fine but he’s clearly obsessed
@@adnanm9435 Only the second topic necessitated talking about Israelis. The rest were about Islam and he still found ways to bring Israelis up
I mean it's a good argument, why aren't we allowed to talk about them?
"Aisha was 18. Source: I made it the fuck up"
Muhammad i think was a 50+ year old person and aisha was 6 years old when they got married...aisha was old enough to be muhammad grand daughter
What is your source that she was 6 or 9 ?
That’s how they do. They just made it and VOILÀ, We have to accept it is true😂
@@Gaucho215 "In a hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari, Aisha recollects having been married at six years of age."
@@bambina5604 Seems like you don’t know what reference entails. What is the Hadith number and page of the Hadith in shahih bukhari ?
Islam is the future.
If we were living in the stone age.
HAHAHAHAHA
"no let me tell you about the jews"
If Islam is the future we WILL be living in the stone age. Organized religion can go, but that one the most.
Summary on religion:
Destiny: All religions have potential for radicalization.
Sulaiman: Yeah, but the Jews though...
The *potential* extra sinister nature of Judaism is that it’s very exclusionary. Even this trivialized summery of the talk has merit…
As does Atheism but Destiny will ignore that because that would render his point irrelevant. Certain people by their very nature will radicalize anything they become attached to in a personal way be that religion or science, look at how people took the science behind the Covid vaccines and mask mandates. It was entirely in the same vein as any religious fanatic would be over their particular mantras and scriptures
@@benjames1497 so murdering thousands of people in the name of God during the Holy Wars wasn't Sinister? Or how about all the beheading, drownings, draggings, and rockings in the name of Allah? Can you tell me how many Jewish extremist acts have happened over the past 2000 years? Because I can tell you about Christian and Muslim ones all day, and don't let me get into China. It's hilarious to think Jews are anymore dangerous than Christians. Or that literally any religion is more dangerous than the other because it's the people, and the people with Islam tend to literally murder anyone that disagrees with them. So who's really sinister.
@@benjames1497jews dont execute apostates. Jews dont believe in lying for their religion. Jews do not charge a jizya tax for abrahamic religions and execute pagans. Jews do not believe you can take sex slaves. Jews do not believe in killing critics of their religion. Jews do not believe they have to dominate the world. Jews dont believe in rental wives. Jews dont believe that killing infidels or suicide bombing is a free ticket to heaven. Judaism is nothing compared to islam
14 minutes in, is muslim guy just going to continue answering every argument with "but the jews are worse"?
Edit after finishing: yes
Muslims have 0 arguments to defend their religion and they know it, their only line of defense is to insult others.
They don’t care about truth. They’re so ideologically captured they’re a lost cause, let the blind lead the blind off a cliff..
"I stubbed my toe the other day"
"Bro it was the Jews innit"
Yes, today…this statement is true, because Islam is castrated.
Someone tell him that whataboutism is not a defense. It just means "both are bad".
"judaism is more extreme than islam"
I cant. thats the most fundamentally insane take ive ever heard in my life...
That's not very Talmudic of you to say...
Silly Muslims radicals have to double down on their lies
Think deeper
@@TheOneMastodonyou talk about thousands of pages you dont understand and ignore the evidence of your eyes? Theres been literally 1 jewish suicide bomber in all of history
@TheOneMastodon
What's the talmud exactly? Is it the word of God like the qurran claims to be?
Or is it a debate book about random topics that often times contradicts itself because again it's mostly debates of how a law from the torah should be practiced?
You can be a religious jew without the talmud but you can't be a Muslim without the qurran.
I'm from the UK and sadly this Muslim is absolutely typical of a UK Muslim. It'd be nice if his views were unrepresentative of UK Muslims but this is not the case unfortunately. Close-minded beyond belief...
Thank you for your brave comment, I hope the bobbies go easy on you 😢
Haha
@@ImUpYourArsecalls op cringe, then does the most cringe thing ever
@@somezsaltz6835 Average Islamic Behavior.
“But Zionists (Jews)”
“But Zionists (Jews)”
“But Zionists (Jews)”
Ok nice argument but have you heard about the Jews?!
@@gaz4553im a Jew so yes? We are very secular 😂
You just succinctly summed up the core argument of every anti-Semitic apologist.
(((Zionists)))
Zionists are radical muslims of Judaism.
I can’t believe this guy was legit saying oct 7th was fake news.
Wag The Dog....watch it
Hes an arab muslim of course hes going to defend or downplay the actions of hamas
@@IAmAHeaterwhat is that a TH-cam video
Destiny said with a straight face Hamas used cookie sugar to send rockets to Israel. How idiot must you be to listen to this guy ?
He didn’t say that. He acknowledged that hamas killed innocents, but the IDF did kill more.
Boring ahh debate. Sulaiman is just spouting nonsense.
Literally... lied through his teeth and every single turn
nah that is fake news
He is muslim, what else do you expect
@@MG-pj2ooIt just goes to show that he either wears his belief in God solely on the outside and has no care for honouring God in action, or his god epitomises murderous bigotry and endorses lies told to justify certain murders.
Should have been easy for destiny to defeat him then
Myron: "What is 2+2?"
Destiny: "Four."
Sulaiman: "Jews!"
Suliman lies more than he breaths 🤡
one good way to stop both 😈
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He breathes a lot
All Destiny needed to say was "Aisha's age being 9 comes from the shahih hadith Bukhari" and his opponent would not be able to deflect because Bukhari is one of the most reputable of all hadiths and shahih is the highest grade of reputability. I wish he did the bare minimum just to look this up because it was an easy slam dunk.
Lol are you a theologan, even a "sahih" hadith can be questioned, that's why you can have different interpretation and schools of thought of the same hadiths
Can you tell me of a debate where that point was brought up and the other person didn't argue against it? Or do you think that no one else has thought of implementing this argument in a debate before you? (Obviously a debate about the age, not one in which they agreed on the age going in)
@@mark-kq7rc If sahih hadiths can be questioned how do you know you need to pray 5 times a day?
@@yakov95000 because everything aisha said doesn't mean it is not true,
One interpretation is Aisha was told her age she can't know like other things she saw. So sahih hadith can be interpreted differently in numerous ways with a lot of different subjects like prayer and other rituals.
And there can be others who reject some hadith based on much sahih a hadith actually is for historical reasons.
@@mark-kq7rcmental gymnastics
The way this Pakistani Muslim lies through his teeth on every issue, even saying the IDF was behind the whole music festival attack is just pure evil.
He's British, not Pakistani. But I don't know what his nationality has to do with anything you weirdo. 🤣🤣
Absolutely. How can you debate people like this? Total dishonesty
Evil IS REAL!
@@OrphanAnnie10islam is satanic
IDF were indiscriminately firing at everyone from their helicopters
I’m a Christian and I’ve been to Israel 4 times through my life and I’ve never been mistreated or hated on for being Christian and I’ve never seen it happen there either. Sulaiman is straight up lying and doesn’t know what he’s talking about most of the time or just straight up ignores it and pivots. I genuinely lost brain cells listening to him speak.
You must be their good lil taxpayer zio Christian that's why they will treat you nice. However an avg Christian there isn't treated like that.
@@SaraSila08 I mean if I had a choice I’d rather have my tax money go to Israel than Hamas. Hey quick question, why didn’t Hamas build any bomb shelters or any infrastructure to protect their civilians during a war which they always start? & lmao I have family that lives there that’s Christian and they don’t get mistreated whatsoever. You’re literally just lying and spreading false propaganda 😂
@@SaraSila08And what’s your evidence? A couple of meme twitter videos? Christians are treated fine in Israel nobody cares about them.
@@SaraSila08ok bud
@@SaraSila08The government doesn't but some Jews don't like Christians when we preach other than that it's pretty neutral.
What a waste of time talking with this liar.
what did he lie about?
@@adeptgopnik literally everything
It was unreal his lies were insane 😅😂 like way above normal hamas propaganda, did he say they were being friends with the ravers walking slowly at one point? 😭😭
@anthonyj4529 "the only reason hamas killed people at the festival was cos they were scared they would get killed themselve" like MADNESS bro he's making it sound like their plan was to just attend the festival like they showed up in shades and fannypacks trying to get their rave on
@adeptgopnik first off jews don't have their own police in the UK. They have a neighbourhood watch group for one area in London which is literally for everyone who lives there. He's a sneaky, lying islamist
This guy regularly hosts spaces on twitter where he and his guests make outwardly conspiratorial claims about Jewish world domination and other anti-Jewish tropes. He is not a serious person
He is a serious person. Don't underestimate these Islamist radicals and what they can do.
Most muslims believe in this. They have a deep hatred towards jews which comes from Islam. Zionism has nothing to do with it, they just use it as a disguise to mask their animalic antisemitism.
But the second something goes against Islam they'll call it out like they've never done anything wrong themselves, bunch of egotrippers
@@Tiasung 4 real. Islam is on a comeup and we have to be careful. Its the WORST scariest brainrot because they will kill behind it. It's hard for us to understand cause they believe in their paradise which makes them dangerous
@@ImUpYourArse you know saying the word cope just creams that you yourself are coping, its a word used when no other words can convince anybody else
lmao this muslim guy had zero basis on any of his ridiculous claims
Sulaiman just going "nah, everything you just said is wrong and there's lots of evidence, everyone knows it" as he is the last one to speak on the topic and he won't be fact checked by the moderators.
That wasnt the point of them moderating this debate but ok and anyone with a braincell should know that the last person to speak doesnt mean they won in that topic. They were literally taking turns
He lives in euphemisms, just like people who do apologetics anywhere.
@@NH-bn8xn Correct, he's an apologist
@@ramikpark8387thank you for understanding some of these people think moderation means fact checking everybody and debunking claims
Islam: *Created in the 7th century*
Jesus: *Born in 1st century*
Muslims: "Jesus was muslim" - 🫠
😂😂😂
Getting canceled on social media = being executed for mocking Islam
That was one of the most retarded points he made
Why should you mock any religion in the first place?Why not debate them and show them that their ideas are wrong before insulting them. A decent person doesn’t go around mocking people. You wouldn’t like it if someone mocked your family or something you hold as value. Mocking people or any religion is a disgusting act. You debate a people you disagree with, you don’t mock them.
@@Gaucho215because they are childish and unfounded. It’s like astrology. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism. All attempts to give people who lived and starved all the time a purpose.
@billojallow6604 you are the reason we should keep mocking islam. Mocking should be not equals being killed.
@@Gaucho215 you can mock AND religion you want, we live in a WESTERN democratic society with free speech and the right to laugh at/insult whoever we want.
I've noticed a commonality in Muslim debaters; bullisht. Just bullisht as much as possible.
We need to get rid of islam as fast as possible
Read Quran 4 6 for proof that Sulamain was correct on Aisha
Taqiyya. Look it up.
She was a little child dude
Stop the cope @@randomhuman2595
@@randomhuman2595 I'm neutral on this topic but let's keep it real brother he's wrong about Aisha
Without lies, islam dies
corny ass mottos
your Jewish i hope thats a reminder
Yeah that’s why it’s growing and more people convert everyday than any other religion. Cope
@@Wakamolewonder its funny how there bible contradicts its self i can go on and on and on
@@Wakamolewonder more Christians than Muslims. Cope
Is the Sulaiman guy aware that everything he's saying is disingenuous at at best and a barefaced lie at worst? Or is he just genuinely delusional?
Grifter feeding idiots who believe his BS.
Of course he is. He's an apologist.
Everything he's saying is very calculated. He's smart to attack Judaism more than promote Islam in front of this audience. It's so ironic because all the people that "the Jews" are supposedly using to destroy the West through mass immigration are Muslims. And now we're also seeing a lot of these Muslim immigrants ally with the radical left (also controlled by "the Jews" of course) to hold the Democratic party hostage and possibly get Trump elected because they oppose what country? The one that's 80% Jews? So it's a conspiracy-theory with an outcome that's literally the exact opposite of what the theory would predict. But no evidence is going to change someone as ideologically-captured as a hardcore Islamist or neo-Nazi.
Your average Islamist
Yep, they call it taqiyya.
_”Fresh & Fit debate Oct 7th” GOD PLEASE NO…._
Exactly.
My thoughts exactly. And I'm absolutely here for it
what do you mean
@@OddC00kie9I get the feeling from every clip and piece of content from them that I’ve ever seen, that they are not intelligent and also uneducated on politics beyond men/women dynamics in society, with a lot of their opinions concerning their “specialty” seeming to be childish and overly emotional
@@josephmother2659well good thing they are hosting the debate and probably one of the best hosts I’ve seen although the clown destiny was debating was an absolute fool
I noticed that if you switched every time he said Zionist or Israel with Jews he would sound more unhinged than Hitler
2 or 3 times in the debate I really thought those arguments are 95% the same neo-nazis in Germany use today trying to rehabilitate not Hitler but the underlying ideology of his party the NSDAP.
Which u pretty much can as 90+% of Jews are zionists 😂
Unhinged or based?
Without lies, Islam dies.
What lies ?
@@Sos.U2the entire damn book
@@matthiasofprussia Name me one. Please, I’m waiting.
@Sos.U2 the moon wasn't cut in half waiting to be summoned up to rise, jews weren't turned into rats, stars aren't lanterns to be thrown at demons, women aren't half as intelligent as men.
There are plenty of demonstrable errors in the text that have nothing to do with evolving languages or translation:
* semen does not come from between the backbone and the ribs
* sperm does not form congealed blood. Congealed blood does not form lumps of flesh.
* Embryos are not formed from semen
* Gender is not decided at "clot stage"
* Bones aren't formed before flesh
* Not all organisms are created in pairs
* The heart is not a locus of contemplation and thought
* milk is not produced in the body somewhere between excretions and blood
* the sun does not set in a muddy spring
* Earth and heavens were not formed in six days
* Earth was not formed before the stars
* Earth is not 'spread out' and laid flat
* The stars are not lamps smaller than the earth, nor can they fall from the sky
* There is no stage in the formation of the universe that involved smoke (carbon particles suspended as a result of combustion; the word translated smoke is the noun dukhan دُخَانٍ, which means literal smoke of the sort that rises from a fire
* Quran 65:12 plainly states that there exist seven earths.
* the sun and moon are not of comparable size and distance
* two Qur'anic verses that say the Moon is a "light". Instead, the word noor (nooran نُورًا) is used, which simply means "a light", and, in another verse, the word muneer (muneeran مُّنِيرًا) is used, which means "giving light" and is from the same root as noor
* Meteors are not stars fired at devils
* The sky/heaven is not a ceiling that can fall down
* the keeping and breaking of a fast and the times of prayer, among other things, are related to times of sunrise and sunset. But there are regions of the earth where the sun rises and sets only once a year.
* First humans were not created from clay
* There were no Adam & Eve
* There is no permanent barrier between "the two seas" of fresh and salt water. Estuaries, often used as an excuse, are not permanent.
* Mountains are not pegs that prevent the earth from shifting. They are in fact the result of shifting tectonic plates.
* Mountains were not cast upon Earth
* Earthquakes are not a punishment
* There are no mountains of hail in the sky
* Allah doesn't smite with thunderbolts
* Ants do not converse with humans
* Horses were not created as transportation
* Not all animals live in communities
* Bird flight is not a miracle
* There is no massive wall of iron anywhere on the Earth
* Mary is not considered part of the Trinity
* David did not invent coats of mail
* There were no crucifixions in ancient Egypt
* Nabatean rock tombs at al-Hijr were not homes and palaces from before the time of Pharaoh
* The Qu'ran states that Moses dealt with a Samarian during his time. However the Samarians did not exist until well over half a millennium after Moses is supposed to have existed.
Say bigots like you who lie more than they breath LMAO
26:00 "Hamas is treating them so well! Theyre treating them like angels!" Dude this guy is such a clown/mindless shill, does he actually believe anyone's falling for that? Just gross
Despite all the damn testimonies by the released hostages where even the best treated ones hated their time there?
Muslims are out of their minds.
Nobody's falling for Jewish Hasbara & everybody is supporting the Palestinian cause. Cope better
Have you seen how kids being locked up in Israeli prisons how they been treated ??
Israelis are torturing the Palestinians for 70+ years now.
This 7th of October attack happened cz anyone who is being enslaved for 70 years, controlled, raped, tortured, killed, etc… would the least take revenge at some point.
What would you think the best way to react if you are being oppressed for 70 years? Clap for the Israelis? Or kiss them on the other cheek?
I have friends in Palestine, their mother had cancer in her kidney for her to move from one hospital to another inside West Bank by ambulance takes her up to 6 hours due to the bullying of the Israelis and checkpoints. That is inside West Bank and not Gaza where Hamas is.
Do you think that if I have control of your house and family with oppression and enslavement, would you be happy about it or you would defend yourself?
Hamas took them hostages and attacked, cz they have no other way to solve this. No point of resolution to this matter in any other political way.
@@SaraSila08People for this “Hasbara” because it is true.
Answer to your question is yes, he totally believes he can convince the most Ill-informed individuals at college campuses and convince woke/left individuals who watch TYT Cenk Yogurt.
Isn't this guy literally a professional disinformation poster on twitter? WTF
He's literally shown stuff and lied about it
To be fair he always sites his sources, so I would say no.
@ign_motion david duke and hamas isn't a source. This guy went on a rant about israel assassinating JFK.
@@ign_Kage Disinformation doesn't have sources to CITE?
This guy objectively is a disinformation peddler, from Islam to Tate, this guy cannot be trusted.
He made weak arguments and is antisemitic.
Pretty much world history is controlled and it’s the hebrews fault for the lack of innovation.
Sulayman was the same dude who had said Tate was going to jail because he was a black man in Romania and they were racist to him. Lmaooo
I remember that lmao that was wild.
This guy would say literally anything if it somehow supports his religions.
The only person who believed Sulaiman was Sulaiman.
Sulaiman is disingenious. Most of the scientists in the Islamic golden age were secular and shied away from religion. They had those achievements in spite of Islam. There's a reason why they haven't been able to do anything notable for 800 years.
Worst part is most of those advancements came from Persians before and during the Islamic conquest.
Source?
@@robertf3606one of the main part of the golden age was the andalus which was literally on the other side. Persian couldn’t do shit
@@addddddf yall are tripping on islamic golden age. NOTHING COMPARES TO EUROPEAN RENAISSANCE AND NOTHING EVER WILL
Some scientists and intellectuals in the golden age were kind of secular or skeptic e.g Khayyam. Yet the other majority were still Muslim e.g Ibn Khaldun, Ibn Sina, Ibn Rushd ...
All scientists and intellectuals regardless of their religions or lack thereof influence the advancement in their societies.
American cultural exports are so powerful that the moment we started hating ourselves, everybody else followed suit.
Haha. Funny because true.
This is a sub-25 year old thing to say. Folks hated us long before every college aged white girl decided this place was the worst but won't fuckin leave.
Both in terms of hating the US and hating their own countries
Islam been violent for way longer then any other religion at least the others been changing or trying
no, there has been religious wars longer than islam has been about. The problem is that they're still violent.
Muslims have not been the ones murdering civilians just like how the west killed millions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria
No it hasnt. Islam is young. When people say this they also disregard Christianity outside Western Liberal Democracies.
@@yaboi-km2qn my god u westerners tend to think we forgot about the crusaders and that it was religiously motivated war against non Christian’s 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@yaboi-km2qn right u guys are very perfect and have never caused a war and never invaded anything and us Muslims are always the bad guys 😂😂😂😂
Imagine the cognitive dissonance it takes to state "Judaism is more extreme than islam" around 8:30
I saw the report where the "40 beheaded babies" claim came from. They never actually said that. They said there were beheaded babies, and that there were 40 dead babies. Not that there were 40 beheaded babies. Sulaiman Ahmed is lying about it.
also him saying that 0 babies died on oct 7, is the most vile shit ive ever heard.
If you are trying to defend those animals, all you could do is lie and deny
How many babies have been killed in Gaza in last 6 months? What’s the exchange rate? 1 Israeli baby for 50 Palestinian?
@@Camil515 whats your point. Hamas is responsible for the death of both Palestinian and Israeli babies
@@Camil515 whataboutism. There is no exchange rate. Maybe a certain group should stop hiding behind civilians.
Hold up, did dude just say the Greeks got democracy from the Muslims? My man has no clue about history or even timelines. The Greeks were practicing democracy before Islam was a religion… like 1,000 years prior…
And, we got Democracy and knowledge of the Greeks mainly from the Romans. Persians absolutely ruined a lot of the legacies of the Greeks, and most of the preservation efforts came from their European neighbors.
Funny he didn’t mention the Byzantine Empire and their legacy. The Muslims did a great job preserving that right?
I think hes referring to the fact alot of classical greek and roman texts were preserved in islamic scholarship during the middle ages
@@robbi8599yeah I hear that. The way he said it makes it sound like he’s saying Greece got it from then, he was talking too fast.
Most of the Greeks studied in EGYPT for decades. Greeks got NOTHING from Romans, it's the other way around. You're not very smart
Destiny is smarter than you and he didn't push back on that point because he knows it's a legitimate point. Do more research
@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta yeah this guy said alot of shit which is either false or very dishonest so I wouldn't even be surprised if that was his claim.
Destiny is constantly 1 v 3 these mfs. And they say women are weak.
He’s strong and independent
@@awsambdaman She*
It wasnt even a 1v3. It was a 1v1.
myron and fresh were literally neutral if anything they agree with Destiny what are you talking about
Bro didn't watch the video and is talking shit. it was a 1 v 1.
Aisha being 9 is from the hadith which is considered Sahih and considered trusted by all Sunni muslims. The understanding of the Hijab also comes from the hadith. The quran is very small but the hadith and the tafsir are very large.
Well the Quran says nothing about the Hadith. So not all Muslims accept all hadiths automatically. That’s just false.
The Ayesha one is specially highly distorted.
@@abbbadri I'm glad you atleast don't enjoy pedophilia like a lot of islamic apologists. The quran says to follow Mohammed, the way to do that is through the hadith so yes it does say that you should follow the hadith. Which ever ones you choose to believe in hardly matters when scholars that govern the religion and interpret sharia agree on the collections where she is stated to be 9.
@@adutchman1403does the hadith specifically say marry little girls like Muhammad?
@@notaloneinrsa1345 Quran mentions you have an excellent example in Mohammed and the hadith mention that he married a 6 year old and had sex with her when she was 9. So, yes.
@@adutchman1403you are right the Quran says to follow Mohammad and his sayings. But if u look at the single hadith talking about Aishas age, you would see that it was narrated by AISHA herself, not the prophet. Rejecting it isn't something that would be against Islam. I'm not saying she lied, but she has no way of knowing her own age, and there might be a whole different method of counting years, remember we are talking about something 1400 yrs ago.
Suliman’s arguments might work well if you don’t have eyes or ears.
Or a brain
😂
"They were going for military hostages"
You can understand, of course, why they filmed themselves kidnapping babies like kfir bibas. Infants look a LOT like soldiers, you know.
And the 84 year old grandma with dementia they kidnapped on the golf cart, she was actually special ops Mossad agent that allowed herself to be captured to infiltrate Hamas.
If prayer worked, it wouldn't
be allowed in casinos.
Hyoo!
My new favourite bar 🔥
bad argument, and i'm on destiny's side here. Implying that something doesn't work because it didn't work for something other than it's intended purpose is not coherent.
@@YAHOOISNOTGit wasn’t even really an argument, it’s a commonly repeated joke. As far as I’m concerned, the purpose of praying for anything is to have an extradimensional being influence events in your favor, which is asinine and has never even once proven to work.
Thats why its haram to gamble lol. Christ aint your little genie btw
The Hadith said she was 9. In Islam if you deny the Hadith that is considered blasphemy and punishment is death. You are not a Muslim if you don’t believe in the Hadith
Who the fuck tells you people these things?
I genuinely wonder if you have ever interacted with a Muslim in your life or whether it all comes from Isis rhetoric with a sprinkle of the Muslim Brotherhood.
"If you dont believe in all the hadith you are a fake Muslim that will be executed"
Retardation beyond comprehension
I am perpetually satisfied that this "uninformed gamer" routinely makes so called scholars look incredibly silly
Alot if times he eats these guys alive. He didnt have his best showing with Jordan Peterson oddly enough.
@@nunchuksteev9811thats because peterson knows his limits and won't make hard claims in spaces where you cant run the ultimate sceptic routine.
@@nunchuksteev9811 he did tho
@@nunchuksteev9811 That’s a weird thing to say considering Peterson himself gave kudos to Destiny’s debating skills at the end of the discussion
@@nunchuksteev9811 The reality is, public discussion like this is a bit like fishing. Jordan is a big fish. He's big enough that if you are too antagonistic and pull the line too hard, it'll just snap and he'll just pull out. Smaller fish like Sulaiman here are so thankful for exposure that you can really abuse them and they'll stay on the hook because they stand to gain no matter how poor their performance is.
The bigger the platform the more cordial the treatment you need to use.
This guy talking like he was actually there doing October 7th.
Every time I listen to a muslim talk I get more and more worried about the future of this world with them in it
What the fuck?
Dw this comment section is pure pajeet lindu & zio Christians/Jews crying about Muslims.@@bobross8585
We have been here since 610 you’ll be fine mate. There hasn’t been an ideology that hasn’t done something that wouldn’t make you utter those same words against them.
Go to mars
@@M10-u6z Don't worry, we're going to mars soon while your backwards countries are still killing each other over an imaginary allah
Aisha was 6 according to the Islamic calendar. Which puts her at 5 years old using the Gregorian calendar when mohammed married her. The marriage was consummated when she was 9 (8).
yuck
Marry was 12 when she married Joseph and Rebecca was 3 when she married Isaac. Read your bible carefully Mr Christian
@@issadinmohamed1177
dawah script straight from zakir naik (pbuh). You mohammedans are all copy and paste. 😂😂😂
@@issadinmohamed1177 Tell us the chapter and verse in the Bible where it says those things so we can read it carefully, thanks.
@@SJ.J2 tell us the chapter and verse in the quran where it says aisha was 9
"The greek philosophy, theology and science came from islamic civilizations".
I guess Plato was influenced by a random abrahamic sect created more than 2000 years later.
Its the opposite, btw. Islamic theology and philosophy came largely from Neoplatonism.
What he meant that during Islamic Golden Age,Arabs allowed and promoted translating older works to Arabic,ironically the most famous translator was also one greatest Jewish thinkers/Rabbis in history and the personal physician/doctor of Saladin and his family,Maimonedes in Greek/Latin(Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon/RamBam)his translations of Aristotle was read by Thomas Aquinas who reintroduced Greek philosophy to the Church and Europe,in short Greeks thought,the Muslims allowed it to be remembered,the Jews wrote and translated and Christians got the information(probably from local Jews I imagine).
@satireofcircumstance6458 yes, his argument is that islam must respect greek philosophy, since they preserved it.
@yakov95000 yeah the muslims also destroyed a lot
@@satireofcircumstance6458 Arabs and Persians* preserved the writings. The Islam just infected and appropriated those 2 great peoples.
This sulaiman guy is like the intellectual commie journalists covering the holodomor in the 1930’s claiming there was no famine in Ukraine or genocide.
Which genocide did he deny?
@@warrioremperor6320 I can’t read the Hamas terrorists minds. Hamas states in their charter that they would like to eradicate all Jews from the face of the Earth with Islamic justification (Article 7 from the original Hamas charter based on the Hadith from Sahih al-Bukhari 2926). Did they intent a genocide? Arguable it’s not off the table.
But massacre with the same justification tactics as was in the Holodomor- “Oh they did it to themselves, and there’s no evidence of rape and the number is smaller blah blah blah despite the overwhelming evidence from eye witnesses, medical assessments, religious justification, Hamas documents, Hamas leaders interviews before and after October 7th and so on.
there was no famine in Ukraine, the starved themselves and then ate themselves, there was no evidence that the Soviet Union ordered the Ukrainians to not eat food
@@warrioremperor6320 he denies the massive slaughter and terrorist attack that happened on october 7
@@warrioremperor6320 Holocaust
Rape is collateral damage. My bad.
You get less then a dollar a day and whe probably be drone strikes but if you join up you will get to have sex.
"Gotta worry about weinstein stabbing you" BRUH LMAO
Brett Weinstein catching the most random ass stray 😂😂😂
How the fuck is this a real person
London, Luton, Bradford, Leicester and many other places are full of tossers like this. It’s tragic.
I don't know... Destiny sure is an enigma
this dude is just straight up lying. and he knows it.
He's not speaking to change anyone's mind, he's speaking to reinforce the already radicalized. It's just dangerous giving these guys a platform.
Destiny, please never ever stop what you're doing. You are a beacon of rationality in this insane world.
Thank you. You too. I feel like I'm going insane most days
Could you imagine watching the footage from Oct 7th and then going on the internet and trying to actually defend it. Sick individual right there.
you can if you think your book comes from the only true god said that "these people" aren't humans.
Pro Palestinian debaters are the WORST
They say the same thing over and over....."blah blah blah, Israeli terrorist regime....blah blah blah, we blame jews for everything". It is so tiresome and soooo full of hate.
Pro Hamas you mean?
Destiny himself does pro Palestinian debating better than anyone I've seen, but this guy is straight up the same kind of Hamas Nazi propaganda.
I will say it is quite hilarious (ignoring all the actual tragedy of the situation) to hear this guy basically say that after hamas invaded they basically stood around and watched the IDF come in and mass murder and rape their own citizens and thought that shit was crazy and left
Islam: *Created in the 7th century*
Jesus: *Born in 1st century*
Muslims: "Jesus was muslim" - 🫠
😂😂😂
Comparing Jesus to a Pedophile. It's a blasphemy right ?
All prophets were Muslim which means they submitted to God. From Adam pbuh to Muhammed pbuh.
@@rikudotenin9773 🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥
@@rikudotenin9773 🗣Muslims: _"Allah is THE SAME god that Adam and Jesus worshipped!"_
🤔: *But Allah is an Arabic word. Allah ONLY accepts prayers in Arabic. Adam, Jesus, and NONE of the prophets SPOKE Arabic*
🗣Muslims: 🫠 🤔: Not a muslim list 📃🚫☪ -Adam, Jesus (and whoever else islam tries desperately to claim)-
@@rikudotenin9773 Fool.
The fact this guy denies that Oct 7th was a terrorist attack is why there will never be peace. This conspiracy is honestly disgusting. Peace really is not an option.
Wild af the he tried justify the festival massacre…like a festival being a day late (or whatever) makes it okay do annihilate 200+ unarmed party goers….crazyyyyyy
Lmfao people justify what Israel does to innocents and don’t call it terrorism but wanna call it when the other side does it. I don’t mind calling both terrorism
@@Shiroyashasama Id suggest you look up the meaning of terrorism then. I guess you think when the allies bombed germany in ww2 killing 400,000 civilians that was terrorism?
This guy is literally Taqiya on two legs. I mean it really doesn't get more dishonest than this
Charlie Hebdo is not a "comic facility" but rather France's foremost magazine for political satire, which makes the attack that much more heinous.
Yeah sure that clown magazine attacks billions around the world while not ever daring to criticize Judaism or Zionists. Guess why?
They also mocked jesus and I don't think it was religiously motivated christians who killed 11 people becaof that
With internet Islam dies, without lies Islam dies.
With Lies, Christianity Thrives - Saint Paul
@@Acesinz without lies islam dies - the internet
Sulaiman appeared somewhat reasonable until he got to Oct 7. Then he started lying like a mofo.
He lied from his very first sentence until the last.
If somewhat reasonable is to the answer to the questions: is Islam the path? is Islam the religion of peace? With: but the Jews, and the Jews, because Zionist conspiracy. 🙄His claim that Muslim are the proletariat and will therefore inherit the earth, was just the cherry on top.
Someone’s gotta say it. This “religion” is wild as fuck
Red Neck Shit
Him saying the greeks learned from Islam is fucking hilarious
The Muslims invaders in Egypt burned down the library of Alexandria- the largest library in the world, full of treasures. The reason is nothing mattered before Islam
@@Deansmina
They also burned down Nalanda University in india . It was a Buddhist University and the biggest at that time .
They have a habit of burning everything down , so that people forget about it overtime.
@sidy6526 exactly right. Muslims are so insecure in their faith and scared of opposing ideas that they think killing everyone else and burning their history to smithereens is the best way to come out on top.
16 minutes in and this dude says democracy was invented by Muslims and that Hamas didn’t mean to attack the music festival because it “wasn’t supposed to be there.” Absolutely absurd arguments.
Destiny DESTROYED this guy
Could've been a bigger beatdown if Destiny was more knowledgeable on Islam.
@@ally4131 Agreed.
I don’t agree with what Destiny usually says but he definitely dominated this debate factually
he's debating a Muslims, last time Muslims tried to debate each other over Islam it ended in a genocide lol
This guy is Alex Jones Alibaba version
“I know who killed the baby” is crazy 💀💀
“Hamas has no issue with jews”??!! How can you eventhink this
A huge chunk of the quran revolves around jews and how to kill them, truly a religion of peace
Muslim brain rot 😂
Meanwhile "THESE ZIO'S ARE RUNNING AND KILLING MY PEOPLE!!!"
i hear this muslim speak and i swear he makes a great argument to be Islamophobic .
Sulaiman Ahmed is such a slippery bastard, and I can't believe Destiny didn't pull him up on it during the age of consent in Islam segment. Fresh begins by asking "What is the age of consent in Islam", and Sulaiman NEVER answered it, he just immediately went on the offensive over Aisha's purported age, thereby dodging it entirely. And the conversation never circled back around to that initial question.
It's a dumb question asked by even a dumber people. Religions don't have ages of consent.
Read Quran 4 6 for the AOC in Islam
@@randomhuman2595 It's about... handing over property to orphans once they reach "marriage age", if they're considered mature enough... so orphaned children can reach marriage age before being mature enough to be given what belongs to them? Sounds weird.
Nope. He said 18. Destiny didn't ask him for a reference for that in the Quran though
@@user-ri1vc4qv8j He said AISHA was 18, didn't he? Not that that's the age of consent. At least I thought that's what I heard. Because he turned the whole conversation into just about Aisha.
If only David Wood entered this debate with a sledgehammer
😂
David wood is rubbish and hes not a Christian in my eyes
Islam learned from Greek Pagan’s, and later Greek Christians.
BYZANTINE ( ROMAN EMPIRE ) ASTRONOMY FROM A.D. 1300
EMMANUEL A. PASCHOS
Department of Physics, University of Dortmund, Germany.
”…A Byzantine (Roman), article from the 13th century contains advanced astronomical ideas and pre-Copernican diagrams. The models are geocentric but contain improvements on the trajectories of the Moon and Mercury. This talk presents several models and compares them briefly with the Astronomy of Ptolemy, Arabic Astronomies of that time and the heliocentric system…”
“……In contrast to Western Europeans "the Arabs had virtually full access to that, Greek, heritage from the eighth century onward. This occurred because of a momentous translation effort whereby the great works of Greece and other cultures were translated in Arabic". Later on (12th and 13th centuries) the classical knowledge was transmitted to Western Europe through Byzantine and Arabic sources and Irish monks who travelled across Europe founding monasteries and scriptoria..….”
“ …The Shape of the Earth
It is generally believed that everybody who read Aristotle knew that the earth is spherical. The shape of the earth is not mentioned explicitly in "The Schemata of the Stars", but in five diagrams the earth is drawn as a spherical globe. In figure 2 I show two of the diagrams for solar and lunar eclipses where the earth is spherical. The article was written some 200 years before the voyage of Columbus to America and here we have one more evidence that the Byzantines considered the earth to be spherical. Arabic astronomy also considered the earth to be spherical.
An exception to this rule is an article by Cosmas Indicopleustes who wrote the "Christian Topography" around A.D. 550. There he describes the earth to be flat with an inclination relative to the sun, which explained the divisions of day and night. This simple view was not taken very seriously and it was not thought worthy of mention by medieval commentators…”
Aisha is never mentioned in the Quran. Her age comes from her own testimony in the sahih hadiths, which are accepted by every Muslim.
Not all of them. I believe you can be a Muslim and deny the Hadith entirely, as long as you believe in the Quran
@BadBigBody Quaranism is fringe. Most are either Western reverts or secret apostates, because so much of the traditions, down to the way they pray, comes from the sunnah/hadiths.
@@BadBigBody the Quran itself tells you to follw the example of the "most perfect man" and that comes from the Hadith.
AISHA WAS 9 YEARS OLD!!!! 😢
@@EM-fo6yrthe difference, which is quite important, is that nobody sane in the west defends that as somehow being a good thing.
@@EM-fo6yr9 would never have been acceptable in any human society or even the animal kingdom- biologically and morally
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@@RedOlympuspeople tend to forget that kids start puberty earlier now than they did then. That would be super off key to the people then
@@EM-fo6yrthat is irrelevant since we live in the year of 2024. The qu'ran on the other hand is to be followed for all times, doesn't matter if the year is 1850 or 2024
Sulaiman’s arms must be hurting carrying all that water for terrorists.
Chat is right. Surah 65:4 which is literally in the Quran gives a waiting period for women after their divorce and it specifically mentions those that have not yet menstruated, aka it condones marrying and divorcing literal children
They'll just complain about 'out of context', don't waste your time arguing with musIims.
@@HolyDesolateLordArgueing with a Muslim is like arguing with a woman.
So you just make up your own things? Who doesnt menstruate? The woman who got pregnant. So what does this wise verse say? If the womand does NOT menstruate, and therefor is PREGNANT, please have a waiting period and gather your thoughts before you make a final descision on divorcing. Do you see how my explanation is not framed like yours?
@@HolyDesolateLordsee my comment, i dont need to argue. The reasoning behind is stated by me, who actually knows about these things. You can do whatever you want with the answer. Just stop framing bs.
@@Reyfii “As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery”
why does it specifically say women past the age of menstruation then? Why is their waiting period separate? It also puts theirs and “those that have not menstruated” together in the same sentence. It’s a separate clause from pregnant women
The irony on Sulaiman's name. "Sulaiman is an English transliteration of the Arabic name سليمان that means "peaceful" and corresponds to the Jewish name Hebrew: שְׁלֹמֹה, Shlomoh) and the English Solomon (/ˈsɒləmən/) . Solomon was the scriptural figure who was king of what was then the United Kingdom of Israel"