Jocko Podcast 338: Uvalde School Shooting Tragedy. Tactical Response Assessment
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Jocko discusses what happened at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX. Suggestions and an assessment.
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Your statement about, if you can’t handle getting shot at to save kids you should find another job, was pure truth.
It's kinda hilarious to expect police officers to die for the amount of money they make. Especially when people weaving these sentiments around would be shitting their pants and badger out of situations such as this.
@@txdmsk I suppose it's fine then for those teachers and children to die.
Fact is those officers shouldn't have signed up for the fucking job if they didn't like the pay. They were handed all kinds of tactical gear for situations like this and they voluntarily signed up to be officers. They failed and are a bunch of fucking cowards.
@@txdmsk @d3st88 "It's kinda hilarious to expect soldiers to die for the amount of money they make"
It's their job. I'd rather they get trained more than paid more.
Their job is to kill and die for public safety.
@@txdmsk favorite icecream flavor is boot i assume? military are expected to die for less money and less reason. it's part of the job hence the whole "to serve and protect" thing.
@@txdmsk The police only behave like "badasses" when they're going up against unarmed targets. Also, all that bootlicking you're doing isn't going to get you invited to a police officer's backyard BBQ.
This wasn’t a tactical mistake. It was cowardice and incompetence. They didn’t go in and make an accident. They refused not to go in at all. Not a tactical failing, a moral one.
Right & he knows that but he’s being political smh real scum bag pov to take
@@Gryphon129 Nope, the scumbag thing is mentally masturbating about a made up situation where you would have saved a bunch of kids. You dont know what you would have done in that situation, you dont.
As a man how do you just wait outside with kids in there? Never mind a police officer, as a man I could never not problem solve and handle the emergency! Sitting around isn’t incompetence, it’s criminally negligible ! And then your first move is to pull guns on the parents? It’s complete insanity and I’m surprised the parents stayed at bay even at gunpoint .
right. any tactical mistake can be corrected or re-tried in 80 mins when your team remains uninjured and fully equipped. there is no excuse for what happened here.
I'd have quit if the organization I worked for did the coward ass shit uvalde police did. Thank God for the rangers.
Jocko's rant about the chief "forgetting" his radio is 100% spot on. If you've spent 5 minutes in public safety, you feel naked without a radio. You are literally attached at the hip to your radio, it stays on your belt always. I've even accidentally taken my radio home at the end of my shift. I am wondering why his radio wasn't on his belt already, before the incident even began. In fact, most incident commanders I've seen have two or three radios. You have a mic that lets you operate hands free, so you can keep two hands on the gun or whatever else you're working on. You only need one hand briefly when you need to key your mic.
Police Chief’s are hardly cops. They’re politicians and executives. They don’t wear a gun belt and carry radios. They don’t wear bullet resistant vests. They wear a uniform shirt, usually with their rank obnoxiously displayed for the subordinates to genuflect to, and pants, and maybe carry a weapon in an off duty type holster. Most of them walk around pretending to be 4 star generals.
Why are you even on-duty without your radio connected to you.
@@hendriesterhuysen6624 I agree with you. But police chief’s sit behind desks and rarely carry a radio. That being said, there were certainly other officers standing around with one. He should have taken one of theirs immediately. He’s blaming a lack of radio for his incompetence. Not that there’s no blame to be passed around. The 7-10 guys stacked up outside that classroom should have went in, orders or no orders.
Absolutely, it's honestly the one piece of gear I had always made sure was charged up and with me.
Even shitty coms better than no coms. Establish command and get it done.
We had a shooter at my son's high school. Three off duty cops in the civilian gear with just their side arms ran into the high school to neutralize the shooter. No hesitation and they did not have to wait for orders. They were from different departments. LAPD, LASD, and Inglewood yet they knew what their jobs where which is to stop the shooter and save the kids. Likewise when we had the North Hollywood here in LA, LAPD was outgunned and the assailants armor prevented the officers weapons from harming the suspects. But the took on the two bank robbers anyway and had to resort to going to a gun store to obtain high caliber rifles that could go through the robbers body armor. Because LAPD were so aggressive no lives were lost. My friends in LE are so furious that these cops stood around and did nothing.
So sad and disgraceful man, and respect to the cops that took action immediately.
I remember that. Living in Northern California thinking......chits gittin crazy down south. Those two guys were something else. If nothing else they had the stones to take it to the end. Surrendering wasn't in their game plan.
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@@jimmer1047 Well Emil surrendered 29 rounds later lol. But I agree with you to an extent. The only thing that bugs me about them is that innocents people were hurt and endangered. If it was just cops vs robbers I'd look at it almost like soldier vs soldier, in that they both agreed to be there and knew the risks. But some civi getting groceries shouldn't end up in the crossfire it isn't right.
Our celebrities get armed security and our public schools fund Genderism.
I'm just gonna leave this here.🗣️
The mother who saved her kids probably didn't have any tactical or military training, yet she acted better than most of those who were supposed to be professionals
Know several like her. Unfortunately like her they are prevented from having a career that can most use the skills because of past mistakes.
@@AdamSmith-ew2xd don't do crimes
@@Laotzu.Goldbug point taken and agreed on with the side point I make being the way kids are treated throughout life discouraging individuals who have a natural leadership ability and who think outside the box. Kids get felonies now for things that weren't an issue back in the 80's and earlier.
@@AdamSmith-ew2xd Based on what? My guess is every parent would have entered if cops had not held them back!
@@angtxsun4460 it's her thought process and composure. Of course she wasn't the only parent who would go in.
In Greenwood, Indiana a 22 year old man with a glock 9mm took action and fired on an active shooter hitting him 8 of 10 rounds from 40 yards away. He was untrained but knew what to do and took action saving many many lives.... 80% hit rate in an active combat situation with adrenaline pumping. Untrained.... God Bless Him.
what is yards? ffs! i hate to always open google to change it to metric to see the situation!
@@InfokuId Yards is not metric, 1 yard = 3 ft. = 36 In. 40 yards = 120 ft. It was a great shot.
@@InfokuIdwell move to America then. Get it over with!!! A yard is roughly a meter!
The live scenario of being one of those parents who were cuffed by the police while a shooter is shooting kids in their school is literally one of the worst real life nightmares that can happen.
Our celebrities get armed security and our public schools fund Genderism.
I'm just gonna leave this here.🗣️
I think you've lost all your trust in state authority after that, no doubt.
I hate to sound like “that guy” but I’d like to think if my child were in there, there would be a trail of bodies behind me of everyone trying to keep me from getting to them….
@@MrEmb007 This...
I would argue that cuffing those willing to stop a murderer makes you ann accessory to that murder. ESPECIALLY when those cuffing the parents are the very people who are expected to stop the murderer.
Another thing that’s also disturbing is one student who survived in the classroom with the gunman. Said the cops outside in the hallway were telling the kids to yell for help. And one little girl yelled for help and the psycho shot her. That’s just insane that an officer would think that’s a smart move.
Where is your source?
@@ter6501 KCENnews: 4th grade student survivor shares story on uvalde shooting. Video is 3:04 long. Kid is wearing maroon shirt and turquoise shorts in thumbnail.
Fast forward to 1:05 in the clip to see exactly what I’m talking about.
@@DoubleDash28 there was also a teacher thst survived that confirmed that story.
That was the border patrol agent that shot Salvador Ramos in the end. After he said and heard that, they immediately breached.
@@sirtwentythree where’s your source for that? Because that’s not what’s being reported. The gunman was hiding in a closet at the time they finally made entry.
I’m an armed, uniformed security officer at a private school. I get nothing but “thank you for being here” from parents, and many new students come to the school because of the added security - armed security, locked gates and cameras. That said, everyone I’ve come in contact with are 100% about keeping their children safe and could care less what it looks like.
Thank you for what you do.
100%. Unless you are completely blinded by ideology how do you justify armed security to protect your money but not your (and our countries) most value resources....
It's more to me about how a security / officer presents themselves. I don't think we need Rambo. We want personalable people that help raise our kids but when needed can go to war with a threat. There are lots of ways to do that. But beyond all the tricks, toys, strategies.. its about having people that will step forward to protect others.
Stay vigilant...
@@chrisj9008 Well said
Have you ever been in a situation involving firearms being directed towards you? If not then you have no idea how you'll act if the unfortunate day comes. Do you have regular training which involves how to deal with an active shooter, involving on the ground practice. If not. Then you really have no idea what to do.
Thank you for your service. I hope to get into that field as soon as possible.
If they try to detain you while you are attempting to rescue your children, THEY are the enemy.
Exactly.
They should be tried for murder.
Yes. And you are pying them salary to be the enemy.
You’re right. If anyone was standing by running suck while my child is in danger and they prevent me from doing something about it after I don my own armor and weapon, they’re the first to die. Aloha. 🤙🏾
If you have may adults running around the school with guns who is the Police to focus on. I can see more innocent people being shot. There is not clear answer for this.. It could go both ways.
That being said I'd like to think that I'd try to go in after my child.
But all this should of not been an issue because the cops should of made entry as soon as 3 or 4 cops get on scene.
I have had conversations with my State training center about this for over 2 years ago. I know the Chief trainer in my State who is a former Marine. This moving in quickly by Cops is suppose to be standard practice now in every State
In my State if you are the only office on scene in a rural area you get the first two people with guns to enter with you. Rural areas do the best they can.
So there is less confusion...the cops not doing anything to save your child are the closest, current enemy. Take them out then breach the school. You will not save every child, but you will save more than they are. Get in, no matter WHO you have to kill to get to your baby. This is not hard...standing by why children are being murdered requires your own death. That is the price for cowardice
Mad props to the mother who went in and got her kids.
Any parent would do that for their kids.
She went in there unarmed. No vest. No gun. Just sheer guts. A true badass.
@Errol Brown well most.
She needs to write a book about the experience.
@@mr.shin.5138 she needs to be the police chief, apparently
The video was just released. The amount of law enforcement just hanging out in that hallway was unbelieveable!
It’s because they didn’t know there were kids in the classroom so they were treating it like a barricaded suspect. B Tatum just did an updated video on it.
Fin Golfin but they were getting phone calls from alive kids in the classroom begging for help? And yet continued to stay in the hallway, some on their phones some sanitizing their hands.
There’s absolutely no excuse for what happened.
@@bboysaif8 supposedly dispatch didn’t relay those calls to the officers on scene. That’s coming from that same B Tatum video. Which sounds ridiculous, but it does makes sense with the way the cops were causally milling around. Common sense would say if they knew kids were in there they would have been pushing the door.
Fin Golfin They heard constant gun shots coming from the room, which went for like an hour, they heard kids screaming, what else would they be thinking is going on? This is utter and complete failure on all accounts.
01:15:49 This is a perfect example of why I hold so much respect for Jocko as a human being and a leader. Mid-sentence, when he realizes he is characterizing a position he may be personally opposed to in an uncharitable mocking voice, he pauses, corrects himself, and states the position objectively and with respect. This mindset and style of communication enables problems to be solved. If only our elected officials, political talk show hosts, and others in positions of influence could model this to Americans more broadly. Thank you Jocko for using your platform honorably!
You're correct but the politicians intentionally lie to us
The more i hear former SOC operators, the more i find them more nuanced, reasonable, poised, and smarter than most of the "elite" politicians and mainstream commentators.
I'm not American so it may be unbecoming for me to say but those are the kind of guy that should run the country.
@@davidlacoste most of our best presidents of all time served in the military such as jfk regan etc Roosevelt
@@enigmas4017 definitely not regan lol
@@enigmas4017 If you're talking about about Ted Roosevelt, everything i read about him tell me he was a m-fricking badass. I heard he got shot during a speech and finished the speech before getting medical attention, i know he led a company in the Cuban war.
As a 30yr retired police officer, this is the best commentary I’ve heard on Uvalde. I totally agree with everything you said. Great show!
The woman that jumped the fence to go and get her kids knowing she could die in the attempt has so much courage, her kids are going to be so proud of her I'm sure the community praises her as a hero as well. I'm sorry for all parents that lost their children and that were pepper sprayed or tazed so themselves couldn't do the job of saving their child's life. The suffuring has been made so much worst because of that botched response.
She also saved several students that weren't her children. The U-PD is still intimidating her to this day.
Any cop that tried to stop me from getting my kids would find their lives ended.
She’s a mom. I absolutely cannot fathom doing anything else. Tackle me, arrest me, prosecute me, imprison me, I’m doing the same fucking thing. But, I’m a white Texan. This communal response, in a historical context, in an Hispanic community, might just be something that shows us how certain people are scared of cops, because cops have treated them like shit, and after this eventually ended, these kids were treated like shit in this scenario.
Have done work with these families and Angeli is truly amazing! There will be a documentary coming out this month about this and her specifically
@@salinahawxhurst9294 ❤❤❤❤❤
I graduated in 2012, and we had a school officer. We called her Fergie, she was armed, and she loved the kids at school. As a theatre kid, she’d improve with us and pretend to draw her gun, she never did, and we knew she just loved us. Sandy Hook happened after I graduated, and I knew in my heart, Fergie would have faced that bastard down. School officers don’t have to be scary, they can actually make you love them. Thanks for your service, Fergie.
Yes I agree 100%. School resource officers can have a huge positive impact on kids, especially kids that are going down the wrong path.
Fergie would have saved herself and let you die. Then her career would have continued somewhere else.
In elementary school we had a guard named Mr Larry. Sweetest guy, totally a gentle giant type. Sometimes he even gave me a rice krispie from the vending machine. Great dude.
@Antoine Brosseau It turns out that finger guns are completely harmless whether or not an actual firearm is present.
@@iceman00behave what about a Mr Bean scenario
In case anyone thinks the reason Jocko said “we’re not waiting on ballistic shields while children are being killed” because he’s a Seal, that isn’t accurate. I was a POG Marine and even I know that you just push through the fear, or nerves, or whatever you want to call it to do way you need to do. Like that mom. What a bad ass. I’m grossed out by those cops that sat on their hands.
Exactly
None of those kids had shields! The only shield they had was the shield of the badges of the cops who were supposed protect and serve! So they waited at the cost of 21 lives! and in the end it looks like a Border Patrol Agent who knew what to do went against orders and handled that SHIT!
Now clearly his training was the difference and so The Defund The Police crap shows how stupid that is but at the same time after 2 years of police being wrong no matter what they do and a complete breakdown of law enforcement on a local level on a state level and on a national level as a whole and all kinds of people calling for them to be removed or fired and even facing charges when the take out someone with a gun because of his race..... I hate to say this but it's a fact the the public has created this hesitation just as much as that cops that were there!
This is what happens when someone like LeBron ASSFUCK James says police are out hunting black people just to kill them!
OH REALLY THEN WHY DID THEY NEVER COME AFTER YOU FUCK FACE?
So I agree with everything you said but I also believe that as a MARINE you have the ability to see everything and process multiple active situations at once and act or react to what is needed!
Our general public has become almost paralyzed by solitary issues as they come and almost never move until the next wave comes and smashes them in the face!
We almost or more likely HAVE become our own worst enemy in this world!
I was never in the service but my dad was a MARINE! 73 to 76 he went to Japan and is still alive but he gave me his book I still have to this day. a big red book with gold embroidery from Paris Island that has a bunch of color pics of boot camp and then black & whites in the back that are all from his boot camp! there is more then 1 pic of my pops getting his ASS chewed! lol PLATOON 385
So much RESPECT AND HONOR TO YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE! THANK YOU!
It seems we have an issue in our country in my opinion that people go to school to become teachers of all kinds of various fields and spend their whole life teaching but never have been actually doing SHIT!
and are completely clueless that what they teach is USELESS! Had they ever went and spent any time doing it all they would see the disconnect and most would probably feel pretty damn foolish on how far apart their teaching "THEROY actually is from "REALITY"
And I really don't even know how we course correct without the proper leadership in place?
There is a difference between a Real Leader and just some ASSHOLE in charge! ASSHOLES produce 1 thing!
SHIT! That's what they do and all they will ever do! Right now our country is run by a whole fleet!
When Leading by example is our motto.... well look at the example set by those who make themselves EXEMPT from every law they create and what do people expect to happen but just a cluster FUCK?
anyway.... I've ranted enough!
Much Respect out to you!"
just know when a guy like me becomes a voice of reason and logic.....
we are getting down to the last few chapters in our story!
lol sad but true!
ttyl
Just like with a traffic stop, they love to repeat the line "because look you know at the end of the day we have families we're human too we're just trying to do our Job and get back to our families safe like you" ; They are more concerned with and their #1 priority is their own safety, their co workers safety, their dogs safety, the person who called and gave what could have been a false report's safety, then the safety of the person/s they're there to investigate or save.
The Supreme Court allows police to be lazy. It's the states that have to step up with laws on what the police are suppose to do as well as not do. It can't be something some instructor said or some oath taken.
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You gotta get Paul Howe from CSAT on to discuss this, as well as his Army career, including “Blackhawk Down”. He summed it up perfectly in the after-action video he posted right after Uvalde regarding the LEOs: “You get paid to go in, not to come out.” Exactly.
The cops are trained that ‘everyone goes home at the end of the shift’ and every no -cop is a deadly threat.
@@sana-cm7oc their job and what they are taught is to protect the public before themselves actually
@@Zarab923 Over 400 LEOs have proven you wrong. SCOTUS has ruled that LEOs have no legal obligation to protection their fellow citizens.
Beautiful quote. I will look Paul Howe up. Thank you.
What video is it I can't find it
As a former LEO I support massive, centralized overhaul of LEO hiring and training standards. It was a mess when I started, and has never improved. Unbelievable amounts of cronyism and nepotism when hiring. Initial training is insufficient. Countless hours of emphasis on chicken shit like marching and shoe shining. Not enough emphasis on first aid, mindset, defensive tactics, communication, decision making. Minimal stress inoculation training. Once you hit the beat training all but stops. Hours per year. Maybe 24 hours per calendar year of mandated training. And to circle back to poor hiring practice…all the cowards, yes men, shitbags, and slugs…once everyone knows who they are…you have them for 20, 25, 30 years. They dont get weeded out or forced out. They just exist. They are career liabilities and everyone knows it. But the administrations tend to get caught up head hunting people who piss them off by saying shit like I am now, and not the people who need to be weeded out. They will hold on to a fat coward shitbag yes man all day and witch hunt a stud who has the courage to ask questions.
Damn dude. I know you are right. Which makes me really hopeless
i quit being a cop after 2 months. bunch of ego maniacs in general. shitty career imo.
That was wonderfully said, and thank you for your unselfish service.
And even "if" any action is taken against the "bad" cops the union and current laws protect them. The current state of Law Enforcement is a genie that will never be put back in a bottle I'm afraid. Thank you to good ones out there that stick with it.
thank you for being honest. we want you guys to be free to do your job at the highest standard you can, and we can only get there if we acknowledge the current issues and work on them. complete hatred of the cops or tightening ranks & lying to the public both work equally to stop us from getting there.
The only response, morally and legally, was to enter and eliminate the threat at any cost. This was not only a failure by police, but a failure by society to uphold the moral principles that make us who we are.
Running in to die wouldn't help anyone! You are right, its a failure of society to address the root cause and secondly to protect children at schools by ensuring all states and municipalities have well documented SOP's coupled with Law Enforcement being equipped and trained to respond using said SOP's.
If people think some small town LEO's who maybe got a 15wk Academy, gets to the range to train twice a year, lives in a community with a medium income of $25k is suddenly supposed to storm a building like they are Devgru/Unit operators are so mistaken its hilarious and lacks complete context.
A lot of mistakes were made, gotta give it time for all facts to come out so hopefully we can learn from this and push for SOP's to be implemented across the nation.
Considering the police forced everyone else to stand down, I would say they take the full L on this one.
@@muriloninja So, 4 or 5 officers with an m4 can't take out a kid in a dress with an AR? At least they could have tried. Cowards
"Officer safety first."
@@muriloninja that department had just done active shooter training in that exact School two months prior to the attack. They had a full-fledged SWAT team and there were 19 cops in the hallway armed with rifles and body armor who stood down as that man executed children. Obviously they should have went in immediately. Bootlicker.
It's insane how in college we have ID cards to scan to get into buildings, we have campus police, we have bluelights, we have so many layers and so many protocols to keep us safe...
We're grown adults.
Why aren't our children worth the effort?
@Trololol Trololol sadly it is that ....not everyone has kids ...and parents wont accept extra tax for it ....this happened in rome times almost the same kinda thing
Massive defunding of public education to the point that teachers I know now work as bartenders. The district doesn’t have the funding to do it’s basic job of teaching let alone adding security
Follow the money ever time
Same reason there's no set belts on school busses.
Well said !!
I don't know if I have ever seen Jocko so worked up and agitated on a podcast before, and you can tell he is holding it back too.....and the anger is 100% justified.
As someone that lives about an hour away, I get more and more upset with every new piece of info I learn about this cluster-fuck of a tragedy.
What are the residents and families doing with regards to those cowardly cops? Anything? I would think the town would start to protest the shit out of those officer's. Look what happened when the "me too" movement was taking place, seems to me that this is far more justified to given them a taste of "cancel culture" and demand a total loss of their jobs and all benefits as a result of their proven inability to perform their sworn duty.
same. we’re down the road in Hondo with an 11 yr old daughter. think sending her to school the next day was easy? if i hear the words ‘school shooting’ on the news now, i get a mini panic attack. shit is real dumb right now.
Our celebrities get armed security and our public schools fund Genderism.
I'm just gonna leave this here.🗣️
@@DeepTexas from an Australian perspective, it does really appear to be a big cluster fuck...... And just personally I would no way in hell send my child to a school ( safe learning environment) were security , armed teachers or metal detector s were needed for any dam reason. My heart goes out to any mother having to face the fear the next day of sending a child to school. 😥
He has kids. Anyone with kids will feel that pang in their heart. Those little angels should still be here. Those parents shouldn’t have to be living in a nightmare.
Anyone who has ever seen or met Arredondo in person knows immediately that the only breaching or room-clearing training he's ever taken part in would be that of the buffet or a table full of breakfast tacos. He was put into that school district police chief position by all the good ol boys, who are now in full-on circle the wagon mode. Arredondo was sworn in to the city council position secretly, in a closed ceremony a few days after this incident. The city of Uvalde will do everything to sweep this gross negligence under the rug by any means necessary. Arredondo's only goal within that incident was to shovel his responsibility as the incident commander off onto someone else, which is evident in his abject fear to make any type of decision. Jocko absolutely nailed it on all points, most importantly was Arredondo's ignorant decision to not take critical communications equipment, and his pathetic answer to save face by saying he was rushing into harms way with two hands on his gun...
No one in Texas should stand for this, not just the people of Uvalde, but most decent people in that state need to be protesting this guy in every way possible. Don't let him or the world forget his uselessness.
Fat cops discust me. Have sone fkn pride and at least look the part.
Do we know who Arredondo voted for? My money's on Biden.
Listen it was a special dinner that day his wife was making and from his girth he likes to eat not train to get better at his job.
This guy deserves to live with all the guilt of the lives lost because of his incompetency and the fact he continues to try and deflect the blame. What a joke of a human being, he's a waste of air
Just like Mike Glover states on his channel. The security measures at federal buildings, around politicians, judges, etc… They are protected with multiple measures, however the ones that need the most, OUR CHILDREN get the least. This is a conversation that needs to be had. Much love and respect gentlemen
Conversation has been had... sad people are waiting for it... They consider themselves more valuable than us. Sooo... what next?
But $40 Billion to Ukraine.
Nothing compared to the yearly for our greatest ally
@@sillygoose5138 Have it again, and again and again.
@@georgewashington7374 Feds spend three trillion confiscated American dollars on do nothings who do not work. So what is forty billion for people fighting the Bear, you clown? Take a diet from Tucker Carlson and learn to think for yourself. WTF does Ukraine have to do with an inept municipal PD?
Tactical, methodical, assessment that is sensitive to the nature of the incident & families still grieving. Honestly never expect anything less from Jocko. It’s refreshing to hear from someone with real world experience & actual authority to speak on these things. It’s a rare commodity these days for most. Thank you for sharing your experience, perspective & knowledge with us!! Respect.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard Jocko let out so many heavy, long, drawn-out sighs in one episode before.
I imagine it’s frustrating because he knows, intimately, that this could have been prevented with what he knows if it was applied
Well, remember...
Jocko is a good man.
And he has children, too.
The cops really showed their true colors. Yellow.
I remember going to the gym when I found out. I couldn’t even work out. Normally I’d take the energy from a tragedy and go hard but this story just made me lose life inside me. I thought about how much I loved elementary and junior high and it broke me. Thoughts and prayers for the victims of this tragedy.
You should check out Mike Glover's breakdown video. I've never heard so many f-bombs in one of his videos.
Texas teacher here…thank you Jocko. Training is right!! I hold back tears every time I practice lockdowns with my littles-I give them assurances and my promises to do it right and best because I love them. I imagine the scenarios daily since the Uvalde incident. Preparing my heart for a worst case scenario I hope never comes.
Ms James, I hear the sound of a person made of hero material. What you said, how you said it, is what makes people great. I hope my kids would have a teacher like you around them if they were in trouble. God bless, ma'am.
This is the first time I’ve actually been able to tell Jocko was really pissed. He is a very wise man with a ton of common sense. I really wish he would get into politics to help turn our country around.
He's doing more by educating people. Instead of being just one guy alone, he's rebuilding our country.
Imagine a child calling 911, telling you exactly where the gunman is! 19 officers in the building(surely there’s a map of the school in somewhere inside the building they could have used) and not moving up and Swiss cheesing him before he can move on! The mismanagement through the whole incident is insane
Don’t even need a map when you can just follow the screams and gunshots..
Our celebrities get armed security and our public schools fund Genderism.
I'm just gonna leave this here.🗣️
It turns out they had their hands on a map at some point, but it wasn’t entirely accurate per the Senate hearing live-streamed today.
911 operator told them room 102 not 112.
You would think the police would have had an accurate map considering they were police for the ISD! This whole thing is a disaster!
God it must kill you to know how easily you could have handled that situation and watching people with such a low skill level try and solve that problem. Thanks for going in-depth on this. I really appreciate your point of view.
My dad served with the 1st bat of the 75th ranger regiment. He spent alot of time trainning me always said the word is getting worse. between 13 and 17 years of age i was taught to fight with a rifle and hand gun, got me enrollled in bjj and later kickboxing, one man room clearing and cqc drills. Always go back to your tools and " The wrong decision is better than no decision". He was a great man and a true warrior. I was blessed. The other thing he pounded into me was before u learn to break something 1st u must learn to fix it and so he took me to 1st response trama training and other classes. Learn to heal and save before u learn to destroy and hurt people.
Wow that last part is deep. Your dad is a legend.
@@superiormanx7649 thank you sir. The big ranger in the sky took him home dec 1, 3:48 while we were at work. I worked on him for over 8 min the emt's had to pull me off. 16 people stood and watched including my brother while i fought for him the vary last time. Never fought so hard in my life and i made a point to fight my whole life. They told me he had the widow maker heart attack and was dead when he hit the ground but i got a light irregular pulse at one point. Sry to drop this shit but i dont have facebook( dad trained me well) or people be vulnerable with. His name was larry wilson. Look up the rangers prayer and think of him and all before him when u read it. Thanks. And again sry for the shit i dropped.
@@ethanwilson5310 I'm sorry for your loss man, your dad sounds like he was a great man. Stay strong brother, he is proud of you
damm man that’s wild. Thanks for telling me about your story,You honor your father with these stories
.We have to keep the cycle going for the new generation, We need real men again and if we can teach them to be strong as your father has taught you to be strong I believe this world will change for the better. One love brother and may your father Rest In Peace.
Of all states, I didn't think Texas would have cowards as cops.
I honestly think its a generation thing. Back in the early 2000s there was a shootout i think in tyler texas. A man with an AR-15 went and shot up a Texas courthouse. You literally saw on camara officer running in the line of fire towards the shooter. These dudes had some balls they disregarded their own safety and towards the prick as he was firing at them. That being said whats my generation people from the early 90s we are failing to step up to the plate and these younger generations aint looking to bright either. Thats why I believe we need to have a mandatory military service for anyone who is getting out of highschool for 3 years. We need to tough these generations up.
@@jordanaguirre2540, yes 👍 Kaufman Texas courthouse. Brave and good people outnumber bad coward people. Thanks
@@jordanaguirre2540 I lived in Tyler when this occurred. It was at the Smith County Courthouse in 2005. One of the men killed was a citizen named Mark Wilson who confronted the shooter David Arroyo with a revolver, shot him with a revolver, and when he had to reload, the shooter came around the car and executed him. There was a former Marine sniper (IIRC) that grabbed his M4, and jumped on the hood of one of the patrol cars while they chased him through town. They finally disabled his vehicle on the loop and the sharpshooter shot him right in the head.
It was a tragic situation, but executed perfectly by police. The man shot his wife and son, and a few others (including the citizen Mark Wilson), and the police hunted him down and shot him dead like a dog.
@@Anon- yes thats the case I was talking about those Texas law men took care of business and they went as far as to not covering the body of David Arroyo once they killed him. Thats why i think its a generation thing.
@@jordanaguirre2540 columbine lasted almost an hour, and only because they ended up killing themselves. Not sure it was any better back in the day
As a full time single father of two minor boys, my heart is broken for those parents outside that institution, hearing the rounds being fired, while LE prevented them from retrieving their children. While the individuals with training waited for tactical gear and body armor, the parents were willing and understand, they are thier child's armor, and would willingly lay down their life so their child may live.
Actually, They did have body armor and rifles and training, yet they waited.
Exactly.
i have a lot of respect for these two podcasters taking on the facts of this case and breaking it down. media is ignoring it because its ugly and yet the world needs people to speak up for these families. thanks again you two.
Its even worse than just ignoring it.
The media is using it to push gun control (which started before the shooter was even dead).
The frustration and pain in his voice almost had me in tears multiple times, this is so avoidable because we have a generation of men trained for this type of situation
“A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week” - George Patton
in Israel, since the terror attacks of the 80's and early 2000's
it is a standard to have a security guard in almost every public place (maybe except MOST restaurants)
so I grew up in schools in which at every open gate - sat a lightly armed security guard, whose role was to check everyone who enters the school and is not supposed to be there.
never once have I felt I was in prison
those guards actually became a part of the social fabric
we liked them and looked up to them
they helped us when needed, were friends of our parents, and generally made our days better, since its always good to see another familiar face.
Thanks for sharing your perspective
In Israel is it required to have a security guard on every corner to blow the heads off of Palestinian women and children at a moments notice
Same here! 80s west Germany department of defense schools - serious security and it was comforting and normal.
I would imagine if u have a caring, rational, and very tactically trained security guard in each school. I always assume u wouldnt feel in danger or prison......
99.9% of the time would be him getting to know the faculty, students, help when needed and be part of the community.... Its still a school so i never understood how one argues that it would make it feel like a prison.......
Not like ur in a cage, n ur monitored 24,/7. Its simply a securty guard protecting the school.
PLEASE READ FULLY. If you are not willing to give up your whole life everything you love want and desire. If you are not willing to lay down your life for a homeless person as fast as for a newborn baby and everyone in between them you should not put yourself in a job of public service.
I agree. I also believe cops should be trained like a marine/Army soldier. Longer and more extensive training along with an income starting around $75k per year.
@@jeremyb251 They should start at the upper end of the average income for their area, but otherwise I agree. Most cops never even draw their weapon in the line of duty though, so paying double the standard income is a bit far fetched.
@@jeremyb251 They also need to have a degree in psychology. If you don't understand how the mind works, you'll never be able to understand and control a high intensity situation.
@@patrickk4180 This is unfeasible for multiple reasons. One alone being that police officers are in high demand already, requiring a degree in psychology will make it impossible to have enough.
@@kaleb8420 Ok, well the alternative is what we have now which is your typical high school linebacker with average to low IQ. You have a soft mindset to settle for this mediocracy of policing that we've been indoctrinated into thinking is the way police should behave. We have to expect and want more out of people with power and hold them accountable - from police to politicians.
I would like to see an updated discussion now that the hallway footage has been released.
This is one of the hardest conversations I’ve ever sat through. I’m sick to my stomach over this. Hard as it may be this is an important conversation to have. We need to build this mindset into our communities.
Fucking hard for me to listen to you break this down tactically as a father now, second kid due in august. But especially when I hear you describe the parents outside, I would snap
I'm with you. I'm allergic to pepper spray, so it's very close to a death sentence without epi. I don't miss at that range. Would have been way more than 19 kids and two adults. Officer involved altercation attempting to murder me resulting in... Ha, told you what's my kryptonite. I can hold my breath for quite a while though and keep working
Man I though the same thing man. Tuff to hear.
Absolutely heartbreaking, makes me nauseated to imagine what kids and teachers experienced
If my kid was at that school and cops are trying to stop me from saving my kids im shooting at anything inbetween me and my kid. Im not worried about my life at that point
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I've literally fought 3 dudes to protect a man that was a clerk at the convenience store I was delivering to that violently attacked him. No training , no weapons, just a guy doing the right thing. I can't understand how police with guns can allow children to die
Because they are all absolute cowards who will do everything to protect their own self interest and are an extension of the federal government. They are the biggest gang in the United States
Does it feel good lying on the internet to strangers
@@controllertakes0skill278 probably seems like a lie to someone that would cower in the fetal position in that situation like you and most people.
Go one more: how many people refused to relieve the on-scene commander and go in, or just raise an ad hoc posse of three or four nearby officers and go in disregarding orders? This incident was a stunning failure.
@@controllertakes0skill278 You and I were NOT THERE. Could be truthful...
This is the sort of commentary that needs to be seen by everyone
I'm only halfway through the video but I keep hearing about how training would've prevented the polices' failure. I hope to God Jocko addresses the fact that the Uvalde bragged on Facebook about all their new S.W.A.T gear while posing in a picture claiming they had been practicing anti-shooter drills IN THAT EXACT FUCKING SCHOOL. All of that city's money had been given to that PD and they spent it on fucking military gear, trained in anti-shooter drills IN. THAT. FUCKING. SCHOOL, had the balls to brag on FaceBook about how cool they were, and this is the fucking outcome we got.
Yeah I'm sure he tactically didn't look into that stuff
The gear is for intimidating the taxpayers, not for stopping active shooters
I understand the tone of outrage. I believe the individual officers have perfect self awareness of their non performance. If it helps, they will reflect on that every day the rest of their lives with regret, sorrow, and inconsolable remorse. I know I would if I had failed to act. I know Jocko says you cannot predict your own behavior. But i know my character over decades. I suspect these cops, decided in advance on a deeply personal level they would NOT risktheir lives, and that day they followed through on that self promise. They knew. They damn well knew.
How does a situation like this even happen? It's so out of this world I cannot even comprehend it. What a shit show
It was actually at the Uvalde High school, not elementary school
I know this is probably the most difficult podcast Jocko has ever had to make. A man with the heart of a warrior and protector cannot fathom the events of that day. God help us.
Everyone wants to be a hero...until it's time to do hero shit. None of those cops that day were ready to make that decision.
Love what you said....not all "good guys with a gun" will actually do anything ...many will cower in the corner.
I wonder what would happen if there were at least two national Guardsmen at every school 💂💂👨👩👦, not armed teachers or guards or even police, military level security, and if doors we're bulletproof like they are on airplanes with alarms along with self-sealing ability, just look to Pamela Geller's 300 event, officially the draw Muhammad event, isn't that a cliche the 300? security works, the Israelis were able to block 99% of terrorism coming into their country with a magnificent beautiful wall, a huge wall, not a single airplane hijacked since 9/11 due to proper security measures 🦅🥾🤠🇺🇲🤜💣💥😵
Also think of the positive influence and Recruitmen this would create by having National Guards at school
That's not true they knew exactly what to do and they I didn't do it
@Andrew Jackson thats it?
@Andrew Jackson absolutely
They conveniently covered their asses with the hostage scenario. The covering of their own asses started with that lame, yet very telling "I left my radio in my car because it would slow me down" excuse. Pretty sad to hear the people in charge were better equipped with excuses instead of skills.
Our celebrities get armed security and our public schools fund Genderism.
I'm just gonna leave this here.🗣️
I can’t even imagine dispatch trying and trying to get a hold of the chief or whatever his title was on the radio. That reasoning was completely fucktarded.
Uvalde just proves police need access to more funding, trading, and access to modernized armaments.
If they simply had a Reaper Drone they could've deployed it to fire a Hellfire missile into the classroom to off the perp.
Yeah except these police officers probably weren't trained for anything like this and if they could've called SWAT they probably would have, people can type on the internet all they want but most people don't actually know how they would react right now as they read this comment if they were put in the exact scenario those officers were in even with their training, that doesn't mean I'm saying what they did was right but with all that adrenaline running through your body, if you aren't used to that it will be very very hard to make clear rational decisions and that' assuming you're healthy, if you already have heart issues or psychological issues and numerous other health issues could obviously be life threatening.
Crazy how the response time was about as good as it gets and yet still found a way to let the clock tick down.
Hope he does an updated segment now that everything has come to light. Those cowards should be charged with accessory and pensions given to victims families
They should be sued onto the street by every family involved but unfortunately they’ll never see a repercussion civil or legal
@@evan12697 then only option is extrajudicial
LOL QUALIFIED IMMUNITY never happen WARREN vs DC ruled police have NO DUTY to protect you never happen
I am an almost 30 year educator. This was a very important podcast. I hope echelon front looks into creating more programs and training for educators, as someone who attended a muster I know fellow educators would benefit greatly from the training. Schools are not pro-active and unfortunately rarely reflect at what has happened previously and make the necessary changes. Many of the same issues that happened in this case happened at Columbine. Schools very often just try to wish problems away. The Muster I attended opened with a discussion of the Crimean War and how the British did not learn lessons from that war contributing to the catastrophic results of WW1, I feel that was unfortunately a great analogy to use with many schools as on many issues we have had things happen that should have been "teachable moments" to learn from and make changes from, and that does not happen. Schools are often funded based on graduation rates, low discipline rates, attendance rates and unfortunately these priorities often conflict with basic safety issues. Add in issues of "confidentiality," 504s, IEPs, having to allow students to use the bathroom, restorative justice programs, issues over making students and staff wear ID, concerns over what is referred to as the "school to prison pipeline," funding following the students....these issues very often complicate basic safety issues. Again, I really think school systems: admin, teachers, students, parents could benefit greatly from the ideas of Extreme Ownership. Unfortunately, it requires wanting to pro-actively deal with issues and very often schools systems don't want to do that. Columbine was in the late 1990s, Sandy Hook, Parkland, the lessons should have been learned. What has changed?
I was kind of thinking the same thing.....After Columbine, what was done to prevent further horrific and tragic school shootings? I always thought police stations across the country would develop a swat/q.r.f type division dedicated to only a active school shooter. I don't have kids of my own but have a 13 year old niece who gets physically ill from nerves about going to school. It's so sad that kids now have to be scared to go to school.
Jocko is like the grizzled lion that all the cubs gather around to learn from.
Like? Is that not exactly what's happening?
@@adrianostafford8240 nope hes a human being not a lion. dont gotta act all condescending man
Insane... to hear the excuses, the coms breakdowns, lack of leadership, lack of training, heroism of parents and children, the horrific losses of innocents. As a HS teacher I'd do the training for sure, but it would need so much training, on top of all duties. Do I trust some of the other teachers to do this? Well...no. That's why I support dedicated armed security first, not just "arm the teachers".
I don't care who's armed, just shoot back. When you get their attention, if not stopping them, gives the others time to move/maneuver. LOL When my wife tells me about stuff of this nature, she knows she's going to hear "Why wasn't anyone shooting back?"
There’s not a lot of teachers that would want to carry a loaded gun in a room full of children just saying. Then they have to worry about accidental discharging and a whole bunch of other BS people just don’t need in their lives.
@@jsmithsemper4848 Right. There are some veterans who teach who would do this though. And some who would just want to protect their students.
@@adamb8317 some of the most solid, best teachers I had were army, navy, & marine veterans. And some former LEO. They really made an impact when I was a little high school hellion. They cared about us & cared about the example they set for us. They’d never known it bc I was too busy getting into trouble lol , but I knew they’d keep us safe. Never any doubts of that. I went to a private military school. There was only one there that didn’t belong bc he was like a bully, but he wasn’t a teacher, he was just a tac officer.
100%
I graduated in 2003. My school had multiple buildings, some doors were locked, and most weren't. We also had 3 police officers that were at the school most, if not all of the time, and some additional security presence from time to time. Some of the windows had chicken wire in them so people wouldn't get thrown through glass. I never heard of anyone being uncomfortable with the police/security presence. This may sound extreme to some folks, but we didn't find it unusual at all. We had bomb scares at times, and sometimes vandalism. We had both evacuation and lockdown protocols that were simple, not alarming, and seemed relatively effective. Most of us thought it was entertaining.
Man I'm "trained" and I feel like I'd plow through that door with the shooter there. Marine Corps Airwing here, but I saw "a bit". God bless that woman who saved her kids.
She did it unarmed no less
This is gross negligence to the degree of the police being culpable.
Less toys, more training. That's what the Police needs.
It could also use some accountability.
@@mikek9297 Absolutely.
@MikeK Tell that to the librards that are working everyday to castrate the police and give them sensitivity training instead of what we really need! And that's warriors!
I attended public schools my whole life. Every school I went to had at least one security guard. It doesn't have to be scary. In fact, a few of them were quite friendly. I felt safe.
I teach my children active shooter drills. I also teach my children to call me if this would happen. I walk the halls of the school to understand the layout bc I am coming.
I’m a full time fire/medic in New England and we’ve trained with our PD locally on this… knowing what they’re gonna do and us coming in right behind to render aid. 2 out of 3 full scale training events we had blue on blue engagements and also on our side lost track of where folks we’re working. It’s chaotic and more dynamic than any fire situation. Totally echo the sentiments on comms.
"2 out of 3 training events had blue on blue engagements "
yeah and I bet you didn't have civilians trying to get in plus armed teachers. It 'd be easy to see how things could really get out of hand.
Now add another factor that happens in many areas. You said you word with the local PD and that is great. . But suppose it was one Highway Patrolman (trooper), and off duty federal agent, and a Sheriff's officer that first arrived. That is three and they need to go in. None of the three worked with you or each other but they are under obligation to go in. This could end badly but they have no choice. They don't need civilians running around as they try to take him down.
I think civilians rushing in could be very dangers and even more so if some of the cops charging in are not in uniform.
@@Cuffsmaster yeah I can’t imagine having multiple armed, plain clothes individuals in the mix and having to discriminate who’s good and who’s not.
Jocko laying down the law. Seven officers against one gunman and children are in danger. You go. Period. You don't wait for yet more backup. Goddamn.
"Had to train their default mode to be aggressive", I worked for several years as a fire fighter, the first fire that I went to, we showed up and the house was very on fire(flames blowing out roof and windows), I remember thinking, "someone should call someone about that" and then realizing that someone already had, they had called me 😅and that made me take a second to think through our tasking to figure out my responsibility was. The whole situation was overwhelming, but because we had trained, I was able to figure out what task I was supposed to be performing. I figured out that I was supposed to be making sure no one was in the building, I joined up with my captain and began search operations. No people but we were able to save several pets. No grand heroics, but having and following procedures allowed us to keep the situation from getting worse. We got the people/creatures out of the building and put the fire out. None of those things were going to do themselves, but we practiced doing them. I did not get paid enough to make "it worth it", but I did want the chance to get to improve the lives of people in our community, the duty was the motivation....and practicing what to do lets you be aggressive. I am glad to never have been in a situation that was this dangerous, but we did practice doing the things for situations like this, and I think if it had come down to it, we would have been ready to act, I hope anyways, we did in other situations.
The situation gets better when you put water on the fire/lead the bad guy. Then you are safe 😅
Imagine if firemen were afraid to enter your home to save you and just watched it burn? It’s your duty to protect at all costs. The fact that this building wasn’t swarmed is beyond me. If you’re not willing to risk your life for others you are in the wrong line of work.
Did you know the US Supreme Court actually ruled that police have "no duty to protect" citizens? Police are always the teeth of the state, but in modern times they've fallen even lower to become essentially bureaucracy enforcers. It's crazy to me that people ever trusted the police to do anything besides clean up, and harass people for minor "crimes" that affect no one.
Great point!!
Jocko! Please run for President. Our country is crying out for effective leadership!
I would so vote for jocko
Jocko has more power doing this than he does being President. The president is a puppet. Please learn about how the world works first.
I'd be worried he is a another Dan Crenshaw. little one eyed willie
@@RellayNetwork So, just so I understand you, and your world view, according to you, we should just accept weak, ineffective leadership, because no one can make any difference as President? That is a very shortsighted, nihilistic philosophy to have. Yes, there is much corruption and greed in our government. That is exactly why we need real leadership. Presidents absolutely can make a difference. To deny this is quite juvenile, and shows a very lackluster understanding of history. Presidents have shaped our nation in numerous ways both good and bad. To say a podcast host has anywhere near the reach or power of the President is laughable. Just look at how much Biden has changed things in the relatively short time he's been in office! He's breaking records all over the place. But it's me that is failing to understand how the world works, right? 😁👍
I will elaborate for you: thanks for asking:
Joe Rogan has far more influence than Joe Biden. In terms of what he is able to accomplish. Joe Biden can only do what his administration allows him to do. If you think a half dead zombie is calling the big shots that's exactly what they would want us to believe.
The real shot callers are the rich people who lobby for these decisions. Yes he still has ability as a politician, but the real Shot Caller is the agendas themselves.
If jocko was president they would tell him how to move and when to move and if he said something nationally it would cause Havoc because so many people, have agendas that are opposing each other.
Thus, Jocko wouldn't have a free train of thought as he does now. He would become constricted by agendas and would cost lives no matter the "Good" he'd strive for
"This is the world we created" is the most profound statement of the state we are at in the USA(World). Do I like Police presence at schools I mentor? Do I like armed presence at my Church? Do I like to have personal protection to defend myself and my family and friends? NO...but murder of others started at the very beginning with two brothers(Genesis 4) and has continued ever since. Training, training, training is the key to this on all levels...from police to teachers to parents to those that want to be Shepherds. Thank you Jocko.
I've never heard a more credible arm chair quarter back analysis in my life.
Jocko did his best to be professional and unbiased and the police still look like clowns here.
The on scene commander should be charged as an accomplice to those children's murder.
They should all be hung, no trial
@@hamburgerjones695 yep
Supreme court protects them Several DV cases cops told the abused partner to get a gun. Many try sue police but they're not required to try save you even if someone trying kill you unless promise like Witness Protection program. Crap hits the fan possible I will be on my own.
@@thedude9082 not required to save you but they wouldn't let those parents save their children either.
Seems like an argument could be made that their qualified immunity didn't apply to those actions.
Very unpopular opinion, but I think the police acted how a police would act given the scenario. The analysis is good - but it’s from the wrong perspective, even though I would agree with everything he said from my perspective- but that’s just the thing, it’s MY perspective. I’m an army officer, Jocko is a retired SEAL. So while our perspective may be to pin them from the front and send a section to fuck them in the ass, we should also understand that the police did not have the training, nor the command structure to do this effectively and safely. Carry out these maneuvers safely requires training, rehearsals and command structure that the police simply is not designed for. For example what’s the police SOP on avoiding blue on blue in these scenario? Doubt they had any (and before you say uniform, walls are not always bullet proof). Who leads it? Who is the 2IC in case the IC gets shot? Did they have enough bangers with them to deal with a barricaded enemy? The condition simply isn’t right for the POLICE to carry out such action. A platoon of infantier maybe, but not the police.
I really appreciate having echo on the podcast to hear his opinion especially when they are opposite to Jockos, both of you are the perfect model for having a civilized discussion.
Ps Jocko if you read this please excuse my grammar
I grew up in and still live close by to Oxford and I want to say I have tremendous respect for the Oakland County Sherifs because they responded and went right into the school without hesitation and neutralized the shooter very quickly. They obviously allocate a lot of time and money towards training and it really showed that day.
Can't believe they demonitized this video, no way it would only have this many views.
All military combat specialties and civilian LEOs KNOW that they're supposed to go DIRECT to THREAT in an active shooter scenario. This was cowardice, lack of communication, and lack of training. You don't WAIT for a breacher or a KEY during an ACTIVE SHOOTER scenario. You kick in the door.
Go through the sheetrock, break a window, drop down through ceiling. Anything to get between the perp and the kids.
"All military combat specialties and civilian LEOs KNOW that they're supposed to go DIRECT to THREAT in an active shooter scenario."
A lot of people in a lot of scenarios - not always even life & death - "know" what they are "supposed to do." But in the heat of the moment, when it gets real for the first time, they panic, they forget, they hesitate. That's the point of the kind of training Jocko is talking about in this video.
Excellent! Perspective Jocko this is what we need a round table panel of experts to get this information out.
As an Active Shooter Instructor and Police trainer, I would say the respo se was a complete failure from the top down. They did not follow any response model that I can think of. A first responder must think priorities of life, 1, Innocence 2, Self other first responders, 3 subject, 4 Property.
They just hired a private law firm to help them fight the release of body cam footage. That makes me think that they actually shot a kid or kids.
As an Israeli it's hard for me to understand your American mindset.
Back in the 80s we had terrorist attacks on schools, and since then we had an armed guard at the entrance of every school, guess what happened?
No more terrorist attacks on schools...
Politicians here in US figured out that they can just keep their job by coming up with solutions that can never be fully realized.... ie gun control.
The 1 school shooting the armed guard was a coward and didnt go in. He lied and said he thought the shooting was outside. He still to this day wont do a interview
Interesting 🧐 I think parents are just entitled, thus think we shouldn’t **be** **forced** to apply such measures, as, ThEy neVEr haD TO DO thAt ☝️thus they hate the thought of it.
As there **has** *to* **be** some other way, uhg. I’m working on renouncing my citizenship because people here are too corrupt, anyhow.
I've posted a few times,but the money sent to Ukraine since Feb could put 5 swat agents in EVERY school in the US (nearly 140k schools) for a whole year, based on average pay. I am not a fan AT ALL of Russia, but we need to focus on our kids.
It’s because we have politicians using these shootings to enact more gun control. They don’t want security because the gun control debate would go out the window.
First off, from an elderly South African and an outsider who is interested, thanks for an excellent podcast on the event as you presented it according to the timelines.
More than once had to wipe my eyes , it really touches one emotionally so heavily.
I hope your discussion and the very valid points you make about mistakes and training are noted by your police authorities and that they make use of your hard earned experience and leadership qualities.
My heart goes out to all in that community , it must be terribly difficult for the parents to accept such mind boggling, sub standard action from their law enforcement officers.
For those young kids who were present at the slaughter of their classmates , I can only wish you strength and my prayers. Share your grief and fears, try not to bottle it up.
Would appreciate any follow-up on the consequences and actions taken after this event.
I hope I don't sound judgemental, but we all need to learn from this sad event.
My country is staring anarchy in the face at moment , hence my gratitude for a refresher course in active , positive action when facing dire circumstances.
Much respect to all you Veterans - be strong !
I don't think you can ever train the police officers in Uvalde enough for them to be hired in any PD ever. Not one of them have broken rank and told the truth yet. People can live with failure, but not when they have to prove that there was failure after listening to liars for weeks...
Maybe because it's an active investigation. All the comments on here are done with a very limited view and information.
It's a hunting community, they ain't used to someone shooting back
@@williamchase5698 that aint it champ
That "20% of time should be active training" is 100% spot on. This would fix so many problems in modern policing.
Defending is the issue. Most cops get one day of active shooter training. Very few force on force with simunition.
Analytical mind beyond most. With natural leadership qualities.
A battle hardened warrior. His face etched with sorrow for those poor kids. And frustration at the failure of the response, at the failure to respond.
Politics might not be anything you are interested in, Jocko. But you could help lots and lots of people in a world where disorder is a constant possibility.
Thank you for your service.
The guy beats around the bush for 20 minutes and then calls for big tech to monitor private individuals internet traffic...wtf
And watching this today, June 22, we know it was even worse. God take and embrace the souls of those children and teachers.😪❤
Definitely a lot of perspectives we haven’t seen yet. Appreciate your evaluation of what is publicly known. Our society overall definitely has a lack in training and preparedness for countless situations.
But it's a very (of course) military/tactical perspective, which focuses on the symptoms, not the cause (and yes, he says that). It's sickening to me that kids and teachers need all kinds of shooter drills and uniforms and equipment and automatic doors and metal detectors etc. And that we need AI to scan through every text message and automatically call police - i think Joko has never spent a minute of his life on a online message bard, because this AI would SWAT the hell out of millions of people. And i don't want badly trained officers in schools or a badly trained SWAT team kicking in my door. There are countless cases of school resource officers which really fuck up situations because teachers use them for normal discipline stuff and students get actually arrested (with a paper trail which can ruin their live) for nothing. Also don't forget the heroic school resource officer with 0 minute reaction time in parkland and how he stood outside waiting. Thank god i live in Germany where all of this is not a problem at all.
Anyways, Joko has a specific view (based on his career and business interest), but for example his balanced view and self correction at 1:15:50 is why you got to respect the guy.
@@vanivari359 All countries, even Germany, are not without violent and/or mentally unstable people. Doesn’t matter what your government is, there is evil, and the capability for evil, everywhere.
@Doshield first reasonable response I've read.....👍
Even when the chief finally said "IF you want to do it, then go." Still wasn't a command decision. That was him relinquishing command plain and simple. He quit.
jesus did he say that? why i LOVE sheriff from Boward County in Florida he's awesome he said you come to kill our kids we give our lives up you ill be Graveyard dead i died when he said this
Some people get promoted beyond their abilities.
Listend on spotify. When I was 8 or 10 I walked home everyday from Robb elementary. Fridays if I was good I got to take my bike. These officers in leadership position need to be on suicide watch. I was born in this town and left when I was 26, 41 now. Everyone knows everyone, these Leo's will never be able to shoe face in that town again. You left out an important detail about the border patrol agent Albarado, he was getting his hair cut and the damn barber gave him his shotgun after getting a text from his wife. From the pictures I've seen it looks like a maverick 88. Very few people in Uvalde make more that 40k a year and 70% of the homes do not have central ac. Mostly poverty but they make a living if they work. I lost track of where I was going, just wanted to add some more information to this tragedy. Picking up a case of GO from HEB tomorrow btw
Same here.
I went to anthon elementary though.
He went In there to save his own kid he didn't care about the others or the gunman that's selfish
The leaders in the small communities only serve their own interest. Chief Arredondo is responsible and failed then was sworn into City Council. His OWN INTEREST . They failed at every level.
Thank u Jocko for breaking it down and explaining what needed to be done sir I agree 110% with every single thing u said. I’m a disabled “car wreck” 37 yr old father of 4 and I stay strapped every day and I promise if something like this happened at my kids school u can bet ur a$$ I’m going in and neutralizing the threat immediately sir. I’ll lay my life on the line for ANY child and most definitely my own anytime & anywhere. Much love from Bokoshe Oklahoma
You know society is fucked when you have discussions about the tactics about protecting children from being shot at in their elementary school classroom.
This is a real world scenario that occurs in various places across the world. Places where people go into a place with innocent lives and denote a bomb. If you are an US citizen or first world citizen, this kind of violence is unnerving. Us first world people are finally seeing what the world is actually like.
When I got out of the army, I volunteered for our local cops to run scenarios but never heard from them. I might toss em my info again after all this and see if they want one more.
they won't lol
Lol good luck with that. They’re going to be giving you tickets every time they see your car for making them feel inadequate and “threatened” - if they don’t red flag you
@@evan12697 your statement is true n just gives me major depression on the irrationality of that
Would really appreciate a follow up to this podcast now that body cam and reports have been released, Jocko. Thank you for the insights that were covered already in this episode.
This is so fucking disgusting to hear. I’m enraged for these victims and these families.
Officer safety is cowardice, Public safety is Heroic
Correct that’s their job, if you can’t handle it then quit.
exactly.
@@RyanC__ well the Supreme Court didn't get the memo then. There are two notable court cases that say officers have no duty to protect individuals
@@AlexS-zr2nb "The supReMe cOurT sAid I'm AlLoWed tO heLp tHat gUy ShOOt yOur KiDS!!!!!"
@@AlexS-zr2nb irrelevant.
Truly some of the best training I ever got while in the military was playing the bad guy. It really opened my eyes about vulnerability.
OP-4 is a great assignment
As a civilian this whole tragedy drives me crazy. I can’t imagine how nuts guys like Jocko must feel
I said so many of the same points Jocko made on a post by a mainstream outlet. I got a literal flood of comments telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, can't speculate, wasn't there...
It's good to know a majority of my points were touched on and confirmed by a member of the military special operations forces.
It doesn't take a genius or even a military trained person to know, you go in. Kids inside+active shooter=Get your ass in there.
it's been a few weeks now and i am still SO HEARTBROKEN.💔
You made some strong points on this one bro, thoughts and prayers go out to the families who were affected by this tragic event. Jocko for president, who else agrees?
My Dad is a teacher/administrator at my local rural county school. He went to a school training that included all teachers for a schools,I think it was only 4 days. There is also two “school resource officers” aka police that go from school to school in the district as a deterrent/security measure.
We now know that there were nearly 400 law enforcement personnell on this scene (from local, state and feds) and not a single one took action for 40 minutes. It is a complete failure of not only one department, but American law enforcement in general.
I'm glad that he brought up the concept of mentally preparing yourself to die. I remember accepting that when I joined the USMS, that I could very well be killed and/or be required to kill another person. Many, many cops never do this and so they go through their career afraid. This is why so many unarmed people get shot for no reason when a lower amount of force (requiring some more risk to the officer) would have stopped the threat. It doesn't help that even in my own training, I was told that my safety was the most important thing in a scenario. The vast majority of "officer survival training" was aimed at scaring us about dying. It's a fundamental issue in all Law Enforcement training in the US.
There needs to be a deep dive by the people of Uvalde. Not The State of Texas. Not the Federal Government. The People of Uvalde need to examine the command culture of their municipal PD to find out why not one officer said, "Sir, I relieve you," and organized a rescue.
400, thats more cops than we have swat operators in my whole country 🤯
And the cops wonder why people have animosity towards them
@@anime-kun9231 You're just completing the circle with that mentality.
exactly adults is one thing but KIDS ill do anything to save a child but not going in wow watching another channel where i saw video it's completely sickening to watch these cops in hallway just hide ONLY 2 officers actually made it to room one got some Shrapnel by his head but he tried to go back the others just hide NO cover my god
Thank you guys for doing this. It needed to be done. As difficult as it was hearing it's important.
Dearest Jocko,
You hit the nail on the head at about 28 minutes into the podcast on the Uvalde shooting.
“This is an insane lack of training.”
Welcome to the world of the MAJORITY of law enforcement training.
I started in law enforcement full time in 1977 and I can guarantee that most of the training to meet legislative mandates worry more about the “legislative mandates” than actual usable training.
Surprisingly firearms training is a very low priority in the training world of law enforcement. It isn’t that the officers don’t want it, but that it is: (1) Expensive; (2) “Looks to aggressive”; (3) There is a terrible attitude in Police Administrations and their political task masters opining that a mass shootings “Won’t happen here.”
The “Chief” not carrying his radio is much more common than you would think. This is a legacy problem. It happened 40 years ago, well before cell phones were so common. When I first started patrol, after working in a county jail, we didn’t have portable radios. If we needed to yell “help” we had to fight our way back to the car, where we had hung the mic outside of the window so we could get to it faster. I must admit that we didn’t fight as nice as we do today, but that is another discussion.
The question I have, is not for the people on the scene, but for the City, County administrators and the Chief’s of every agency that responded: “How much money did you spend training “Force-on-Force” and “Live Fire on a 360 degree range.” Yearly qualifications don’t count.
I will bet it was little to nothing.
Dave Grossman’s book, “On Killing” lists the four responses to combat: Fight, Flight, Freeze and Surrender.
The appropriate training for school shooting requires repetitive, complex, Force-on-Force training, incorporating both groups and individual officer response.
Check the TCOLE “Active Shooter Response for School-Based Law Enforcement Course #2195 January 2020.” No where is there any Force-on-Force training. Ammunition is not even mentioned.
We all fight like we train. Immediate Action Drills require practice, practice, practice and then some more practice, until it is as perfected as possible. It also needs to be focused based training with good critical review after the guns are put down and have training cadre that take no prisoners on screw ups. Training is where you want to screw up, so you don’t screw up when lives are at stake.
Failure at Uvalde happened long before the shooter was born. It started with leadership that was more worried about optics and budgets than lives.
"A leader is paid to do three things:
1. Get the job done and get it done well.
2. Plan ahead-be proactive, not reactive.
3. Exercise good, sound judgment in doing all of the above." - Lt. General Hal Moore
Sad thing is they had training.. 2 months before.
@@krislvzep go to TCOLE and read what is required in the "training" for active shooter training. It is minimal and no live fire training or Simunitions training.
I'm a LE firearms trainer and instructor. The class is like watching BUDs video and then considering yourself a Navy SEAL.
I've been through the course, it's basically an informational course. There is a few blue gun exercises.
It woefully lacks the repetitive training that is required to respond appropriately to mass shooters.
There are hundreds of scenarios that need to be practiced frequently.
Mindset has to be in place well before the call comes in. Repetitive training makes response reflexive.
How much practice does a tennis player do to become proficient? Would you expect a tennis player to perform after minimal practice two months before?
You, Mike Glover and everyone in the community need to have these real conversations with as many people as you can on a large scale. Thank you sir
Im 36, I had an armed police officer in our high school, he was friendly and we didn't think anything of it.
One seal would’ve acted faster than these 19+ officers. This is a textbook example of bad leadership
Yea, almost as if seals are trained far more extensively than the police. Who would have thought it.
@@jin6000 Well, sounds like the police need a lot more training and less tacticool toys.
@@Saturnia2014 You said it mate! :)
@@jin6000 if you did just a small amount of research, you would know uvalde police and uvalde SWAT had school shooter training just weeks prior to the incident.
Now we know that an officer had a 146 yard rifle shot on the gunman and asked for permission instead of taking it. We also know that the door to the classroom was never even locked.
In my high school we had a couple of guys, always in suits, that everyone affectionately referred to as the “narcs”. The were plain clothes cops and they were armed. Aside from the weekend locker vandalizing or occasional fist fight, we NEVER had problems such as this. Purely unannounced, LAPD would bring a drug dog around to find the kid that was selling weed from his locker, but that’s about it. But, in 1980/81/82, people still respected law enforcement to a degree.
Yep we had a few and they were the only good cops I personally ever knew. They were great. 2-3 was enough to take care of the fights and the heroin addicts and keep 1,500 high schoolers from burning the place down.