Shell Eco-marathon | Fully Charged
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- A report from the recent 'Shell Make the Future Live' event in London. Robert tries to get in a hyper efficient car.The results are a little tragic.
Shell arranged the visit but did not support this episode financially.
More info on the event: bit.ly/2uISEX3
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I know these cars use petrol but this event does help give students some engineering challenges that they would otherwise not get.
Finally a broader perspective on efficiency! Thanks.
Liked how you kept your cool throughout that outrageous ball-fondling. What a professional!
Its an attempt by shell to show how much you can still get out of fuel to try and drag it out for years to come, but in completely impracticable vehicles.
thedementation666 This is greenwashing when petrol vehicles are used, but a lot of the technology can be transferred to an electric car. It also creates an interest in engineering which is also good.
You said it. thedementation666
Maybe, but I liked the electric car with solar panels and the tiny battery. Solar panels and batteries in a "normal" EV is coming. Take a look at the upcoming Sono Sion. It's a 4 seater with loots of trunk space (and a tow-hook) with solar panels all around. On a sunny summers day you can get almost 40km of range from the solar panels. So if you only drive it 3-4 times a week for average trips you don't need to charge it.
That was in the solar challenge not in the shell eco marathon. I was involved in that one. We used a 2000 watt e-motor and had 2 entries in 2 different years.
Shell, and Mobil, and Exxon, and Chevron, and all the rest of the petroleum companies have made an effort to re-brand themselves as _'energy'_ companies for the past four decades. Mostly for the sake of the unwashed barefoot long haired hippie treehuggers, but more recently for the sake of making money on the transition.
Big Kudos 💪 for adopting a vegetarian diet already Robert - thank you so much for the switch 🙏
We're all vegetarians.. is just some of us don't realize.it yet
Hats off to him :) I'm 42 years in, third biggest thing environmentally, other one is procreation ......... elephant leaves room.
I'm sorry to hear that guys
Shell is like: "We can buy Tesla and make incredible electric cars, but are we gonna?"
You should come to the TUDelft in the Netherlands once. We have a team that each year designs a solar-powered car called 'Nuna'. So far it has won the championship in Australia nearly every time.
Lovely episode
Of course, as other people point out in the comments, Shell just tried to show off that petrol is still "cool" and "efficient" or whatever
But who cares, it's still an interesting Fully Charged episode, so let's keep an open mind and listen to arguments, even if they're from petrol companies
Well, don't forget that companies like Shell invested heavily in oil, so no they're not just gonna give up the fight and at least look into how far they can stretch it.
Apart from the fact/discussion if it's better or worse or not.
Correct approach to accomplish goals - Incentivise people with competition and get the hell out of the way!
Yes yes yes, we all want amazing MPG numbers... the issue is that it is unattainable unless people are willing to accept their new average high way speed drop to 20 miles per hour.
Air drag can't be negotiated away as long as you need to fit people, luggage and passenger safety.
3:30 the car of the future looks comfy... another great idea by the company that brought us so much environmental fun in the past.
Is the efficiency all down to weight and aerodynamics or are these cars using super efficient engines? If the engines can be improved significantly it would be interesting to see what you could do with a generator for something like the i3.
He's so entertaining to watch... Keep going Robert!
So many negative comments! If it was sponsored by the government I'm guessing all the pet grievances would come out, likewise if say Virgin sponsored it. To me, petrol was a stepping stone to something better and big oil will transition to big energy. So what. As a recent engineering graduate these type of projects were actually the most educational & fun thing in my 4 years of study! Maybe I'm biased bc my team won the solar car race but please let's move toward a better future together, positively. Peace.
My college was participating there! Sorry to have missed you 😂
That little car looks like a lot of fun to drive. Amazing how efficient cars can be potentially. I think it’s important that you shown efficient ICE and alternative fuels alike. I feel that for a lot of people the ICE will continue to live on. I think that most cars will be set up similarly to the BMW i3. (Cars with range extenders)
What happened to the scrap heap challenge fire resistance suite
Is there more footage of the eco marathon
Good Job, Mister Llewellyn -- kind of like how the guy in the center of the baseball diamond does a bit of a "change-up;" to keep the batter off-balance.
I had a school engineering team where I'm a consultant, that joined this. Yes it's green washing. Trying to prolong the use of FF at the absolute expense of the schools involved in this. I told them it was a waste of time but they went thru just the same.
Meh. This has been done for over forty years. Not new at all, though it is a good engineering exercise for students. Thing is, petroleum companies thought it would remain experimental research for another fifty years before _'real cars'_ would be able to abandon fossil fuels entirely in favor of alternatives. Luckily, they were wrong. Yay!
Thank Elon for that.
Our high school is competing in the shell eco marathon Europe. I'm part of the team and it's a lot of fun
There's more to mechanical engineering than the power source. Enjoyed the video :)
Looks challenging. I'd love to have a go at it.
Can we have something on Formula E
ViSH probably will when the new season starts with the next gen cars.
I'm currently working with a team for F24+. We're not quite that advanced, but they're hell of a lot more comfortable
Where in London was the event held?
You remind me of when I was fairly youthful, and I was able to squeeze myself into the left seat of a Cessna 150. (A bit over 100 stone, and a bit less flexible than a "young feller," like yourself. Things were also "a bit Tight.")
Well this is a marathon I never saw coming
I wouldn't fit in there either Robert, maybe next year, I do love the fact that you tried
In all the years Shell have been doing this the tech these budding engineers have been developing hasn't made it into family cars. That's because Shell sell petrol and if you waste it you have to buy more. There is no real business incentive to save fuel, infact quite the opposite. I was glad to see battery cars involved and It would be interesting to know which does more miles for a given amount of stored energy, be that in petrol or a battery, I suspect the latter.
Oh, the technology makes it into cars, but it makes little difference. It takes a lot more energy to move a 5,000 pound vehicle than it does a sub-500 pound car, or under 50 pound vehicle, as some of these are... Honda was well on their way to achieving 60+ MPG vehicles when safety regulations were changed to effectively require that no street legal midsize vehicle could be built at less than 3,200 pounds. It has been a long time since a BMW 3-Series weighed less than 2,400 pounds, or a Honda CR-X was around 1,700 pounds. Those times will not be coming again, even with more and more aluminum and composite materials used in their production.
was the day over cast?
is Norman Koch related to Charles and David Koch?
Can you explain why they're capable of this kind of efficiency? What do they have different from a normal ICE car?
Soo, to get good mileage, the pro tip is to diet? ;-)
Should begin a series on the engines itself. I used to read results of the Nebraska Tractor Testing - there was a rating which was horse power hours per gallon. It was an efficiency rating and the old John Deere 2 cylinder long stroke diesel were always at the top rating.
Anything that gives our school kids to do some hands on engineering is a major plus. I wish the critics could or would ‘get a life’.
Great episode and filming.
Well done for doing this Robert. Good to see the efficiency challenge includes electric and combustion
Great video as always! Thanks porky! Lmao that you couldn't fit but don't feel bad some super cars are custom fit for their owners... :P
I was doing that in collage in my 1000cc Ford Fiesta driving as fast as I could then cruising so that I could get to the petrol station just to put £5 in before it ran out lmao
62! You don't look a shy over 40
Just another thought, surely they (the oil majors) should all concentrate their efforts in extending the battery life and developing newer capacitor storage for onboard vehicle electricity.
Great!
There's a lot of comment that the Eco Marathon is an exercise in 'greenwashing' - please bear in mind that the forunner to this event was first held in 1939....
Great video! You should try to cover some Formula Student competition or just visit a team. Formula student is also a student competition where teams from universities all over the world compete with their own designed and built racecar. The Formula Student competition is split into three vehicle categories: Electric, Combustion and Driverless (autonomous). With Electric and Driverless most suitable for you and this channel. There aren't many UK teams going with electric. But there are a lot of teams in the rest of Europe building electric cars, mostly German and Scandinavian teams. The next formula student competition is in Germany (at the Hockenheim-ring) in the middle of august. You should look into it!
Some fantastic Engineering innovation. I disagree with those complaining about the fossil fuel cars; large oil companies will not simply stop using petrol and diesel and therefore making them more efficient while better EVs are developed is a great idea in my opinion.
Good vid my fam mite be getting an ionic is this a good idea 💡
Violet Echo yup
Violet Echo
Which version?
Roger Starkey the electric
(Royal Dutch) Shell does a lot of green projects (for years and years), also solar panel tech. I have Solar Frontier panels, which are owned by... Shell.
As much as I admire the engineering that goes into making a petrol fueled car go that far on the refined, milleniums aged bottled sunshine juice they put into it, had they given you some pedals and let you power it with whatever energy your breakfast produced, it would have gone as far and not had the occasional farty sound behind you in the process. That is supposing you didn't breakfast on burritos:)
7:32 is this Michael Gambon after cosmetic surgery?
I imagine that in the year 2100 school kids will do things like this for play projects. Ubiquitous and advanced additive manufacturing with advanced materials and recycling capabilities (the new play clay really). AI Assisted Design (the new CAD/crayons). The teacher will hold up a bottle fluid and tell the class: "Class! This is Petrol. People used Petrol up until the middle of the last century to make their cars go. Today we will see how far we can make a small car go with a liter of this Petrol. Please form groups of 5. Get your tablets hooked up to the fabricator. You have 3 hours. All testing will be done by our class robots in the isolation room. The combustion of Petrol is known to emit various heavy metals and Nitrous compounds that can have negative effects on human health."
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My car (1.6 diesel) does less than 3l/100km at 60km/h in 5th gear, AC on, 1 person (about 80 mpg).
Car? Looks like a redumbent bike with a moped engine? :-)
Might as well pedal. Recumbent bikes are crazy quick, the high end ones.
Cloxxki pedaling doesn't make shell any money
I'd love to see the common commuter be an electric velomobile. Every family has one big car for when they're all in it (or uses a service), and a couple of small velo's for when they just need to get around.
Just need them to be a little cheaper (say $3k) with parking incentives, you could save that much in a year from driving a normal car in a city. Hell, just parking near my work would cost me $3.5k, not including fuel and maintenance.
Wasn't there a fuel economy Scrapheap episode that looked like this?
Well remembered, yes, I think we had cars doing around 1,000 mpg using strimmer engines
fullychargedshow hehe, it was closer to 170MPG, actually. You really must consider the Fully Charged Scrapheap series!
It doesn't take much to look through Shell's PR when visiting the event. Guess what generates all of the electricity for the event, why 2 diesel generators of course! Need light at night? Use this diesel powered flood light!
It's a good competition for students to learn about ICE, battery and H2 powered vehicles but it's not changing the future of oil any time soon.
Nearly half the cars taking part are battery electric but I take your point
lol just weatching this my back/neck pain srceaming at me :)
Is this done so that Shell can buy up all the ideas that lead to actual good fuel mileage?
Someone measuring efficiency in km/kWh, so refreshing.
Shell are starting to shift to electric charging points, out of necessity in order to make money not because of any concern for the climate. I'd be amazed if their renewable investments are even 50% of what they are still investing in oil extraction. Promoting Shell's image as a 'green' oil company ignores the horrific environmental damage done in countries like Nigeria and those who were killed trying to stop Shell polluting the environment like Ken Saro-Wiwa en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Saro-Wiwa
So extreme pulse-and-glide beats steady-state engine operation (at least for these extremely small engines)? People often claim the opposite.
Love to see something like this in the Olympics.
I would point out that the CEO of Shell recently stated that he (the company) was in favour of the UK actually reducing the time target for the complete ban on new ICE vehicles.
dave b
It's not a question of hating the oil company's or not.
It'll just be market forces that drive the future requirements for their products.
As the production of oil for fuel reduces the next question will be whether alternatives to the current plastics, possibly using materials such as resin and/or carbon become available. If oil is used only for production of plastics these will probably become more expensive due to the cost of extraction.
That exhaust sound 👌👌👌!
Not really real world conditions is it?
Never seen Robert try to put a car of before
shell has been running this race since 1948, when the winner got 150 MPG... in 2016 a vehicle got 26000+ MPG. NONE of this tech EVER gets commercialized... makes you wonder, doesn't it?
It makes me want to visualize a human crash testing them.
So, the future is still electric, then?
That's not a car, that's a carnoe
Tim Clarke
😂😂😂
A "Caryak"?
MichaelKingsfordGray I looked it up, and oddly it's because it has the same origin!
mid 17th century: from Spanish cargo, carga, from late Latin carricare, carcare ‘to load’, from Latin carrus ‘wheeled vehicle’.
I wonder if they invite the brightest inventors, buy out their technology, and make sure it never gets to the street? I hope not.
I can't believ you, Rob, you had a short interview with the Hungarian team, my Hungarian heart started pounding faster!!! Széchenyi rulezzzz!
How can you use 1KW for almost 200Km? Where are they getting the data from? It's absurd
The car in question can travel nearly 200Km on 1 kilowatt hour, not one kilowatt.
I can't withstand Shell, especially after they paid Top Gear for the infamous Tesla Roadster episode.
Did they? I'm interested in that story as that's what gave me the original impetus to start making Fully Charged. Can you point me to any evidence of this, even press stories from the period. I've not heard that before.
fullychargedshow there are some videos on TH-cam where Elon comments on the “test” episode and said that the Tesla staff member that delivered the roadster saw the script which had planned for the “failure” of the car
Daniel
It's well known that Top Gear faked the failure, but the claim was that Shell paid them to do it.
OriginalPiMan ah ok gotya
OriginalPiMan but that would be stupid. It would have put the BBC in a very bad position and the production would have been cancelled once the accounting and auditing ofvthe show had been completed.
Shell makes the future? They are the past! As long as I did not know how great EV's actually are I thought that "competitions" like this was good work. Now as I own a Model S I realize these events were created by the dinosaurs to blind us from the truth. Remember: the electric light was not invented by continuously improving the candle.
Julia Engel lenses that improved candle light also improved the electric. We can have parallel innovation.
Look, incrementalism is the way to develop anything and any effort put into Petrol and Electric vehicles will result in great achievements in the long run
Hercules Giaretta Gimenes
The incremental improvement in IC engines is slowing. The curve is flat.
The curve for EV's is getting steeper. Not necessarily in overall efficiency, but in capacity and energy generation. Efficiency is already way out of the reach of ICE technology.
Well said, but all advances in all technologies can have benefits. Even developing more efficient ways of killing has led to medical advances that benefit all.
Julia Engel
True.
Anything other than the charging stations on their forecourts is a red herring.
We *can* say, "Shell are... { doing this or that }", but we in the U.S. don't. We say , "Shell *is* ...". ;-) Keep up the good work, Fully Charged!
Too many EV enthusiasts are entirely unaware of the sort of engineering expertise that goes into such projects as these. I've tried to educate them on various forums, and they deny the science repeatedly. But then, I'm a dork, so I've known about this stuff since before I attended high school. Others, it seems, never picked up a copy of Popular Mechanics at any point in their youths.
redxsage
Never assume.
The engineering expertise isn't in question.
I suspect the majority of (older? "EV enthusiasts" have at some point been "enthusiastic" about ICE vehicles. (Yes! I was!). It's the past! (My Grandfather drove traction engines!....... Gone!)
Lots of comments all to eager to dismiss this entire thing, including the participation of students and their learning experiences, just so they can express their disapproval of Shell.
It's a bloody student competition, we're the focus of it, whoever organizes it. Does it all magically become worthless for us just because you've got axes to grind for Shell?
Fuck the cynicism.
id like to see a class in this competition with a minimum speed of 90km/h, so we could see something that could be used on the highway.
Vegetarian diet for loosing weight? Good luck! :)
Might try reading about LCHF or Keto, who knows.
At 11,000 mpg you could go 14 miles on a teaspoon of fuel.
132.62mpg not bad. About 4 times better than a regular ice vehicle. Too bad it’s not reflected in the market where it really counts which means it counts 4 nothing. Ice cars maybe improved 10%mpg since the 80’s Pitiful
*So Fuel cars are efficient. Then it's appropriate to buy another fossil SUV.* - _Halo effect_
This is how human psychology simplifies. It doesn't see the difference between this car, made for minimum friction and maximum efficiency, and their SUV, designed for maximum drag and weight.
The petrol cars in this race are "cheating", they run high compression and advanced timing, so they are emitting much more NOx that current road vehicles are allowed to. Typically they use a 6HP Honda engine with a custom head and a single injector after market kit for this engine. The key in getting insane mileage is pulse and glide, where you run the engine at full throttle for a few seconds and then coasting with the engine off, which works, Then they keep the speed at a max of 15 mph, which reduces wind resistance to a minimum. I've tried this in my 20 yeas old fiat and it works, however impractical: Average careful mixed driving gets me 49 US MPG (25kM/L) going at a constant speed of 35 MPH(50kMh) in 5'th at 1600 rpm I get 41 kM/L. However trying pulse and glide with killing the engine at 50kMh and coasting down to 30kMh before repeating, I get 78 kM/L (2 AM in the morning on deserted streets) , that is 183 US mpg (220 British MPG). Though not enough to win any competitions, it shows how specialized these cars are and the most important tricks they use are totally impractical, What this race contribute with, is in material science, manufacturing and aero dynamics, all important for the future of transportation, but they have not discovered anything magical to make the internal combustion engine much more efficient than it is.
Wow, even that. Makes sense as efficiency and NOx are typically contrary.
Agree, the full throttle driving also makes sense due to the bad idle efficiency of 0 of a combustion engine. Working with a hybrid. But a non-fossil car is just better nowadays.
Your last sentence sums it up nicely.
i cant handle all that flatter! Yes hybrids keep a smaller engine loaded harder at its most efficient point, otherwise it is shut down. But you have a penalty hauling batteries and an electric motor around, so hybrids are most efficient in city traffic, but they use more fuel on the highway when recharging batteries, so in standardized tests with mixed driving, they have the same fuel economy as economy diesels; 3L/100km or 78 mpg.
Finally 600 to 700mpg, shell scientists did this 40 years ago, documentary called Gas Hole
It's relatively easy to make a 1000 mpg car. It's probably impossible to make one that will meet crash standards.
And haul a family up the coast at 100km/h for the day.
I am glad an electric car did make the video. Would love to see that car laid out for its design. That is where a hobbyist would get a ton from looking. And I can’t wait until they don’t bother with ICE versions of these. Hopefully that day comes in the next ten years.
Neat , my scooter gets 2.6 litersperhundred. Psst. Hey Robert, I understand that this is not an EV channel. It's not like you ever said that every fourth video for the last three years.
very good car to go shopping
If you got hit by a Smart car in the first car he tried we'd be reading your obituary.
See what Darren Cullen has to say about Shell
This is proof the world is setup for failure! 136 mpg being in the worst economy range!? That's insane! The world is addicted to oil, myself included, and that shall be our downfall. I have started planting my own food and hopefully that'll be in full effect next year.
Guys wait, don't go, we've got this car that can do 1000 mpg...it's really cool and practical and shows what the future looks like..NEXT!!!
These cars are interesting and all but other than the novelty if they aren't safe, have useful performance and carrying capacity, or legal for the street then they are for all intents toys. To wit there's a man in California who puts on a race called the "Craig Vetter Fuel Economy Challenge" where motorcycles compete at freeway speeds (with police escorts) and realistic performance while requiring they meet street legal requirements, winds, traffic and carrying capacity. They have everything from electric to diesiel, petrol to special fuels, and even with all these real world requirements the mileage is truly amazing. One year a contestant got around 470 MPG. I'm not sure if he's still doing it but the website is and for details.
Fossil fuels will never die .
For a product to enter into market all the way from its inception to design to manufacturing to testing to transportation to its launch fossil fuels were burned/utilized. Look at any man made object around you and ruminate about how was it made . At one point of time fossil fuel or a fossil fuel derived product will be burned or utilized.
www.innovativewealth.com/inflation-monitor/what-products-made-from-petroleum-outside-of-gasoline/
whgbetc.com/petro-products.pdf
www.ranken-energy.com/index.php/products-made-from-petroleum/
Products made directly made from OIL
Petrol for cars
Diesel for cars, lorries and ships
Aviation fuel for planes
Credit cards
Plastic bags
Hair brushes
Anti-freeze
Motorcycle Helmets
Carpets
Telephones
Brake fluid
Boats
Glue
Toilet Seats
Shampoo
Household paint
Detergent
Bowls
Fertiliser
Explosives
Car tyres
Artificial turf
Football boots
Lipstick
Weed killer
Parachutes
Umbrellas
Food wrappers
Shower curtains
Waterproof coats
Artifical limbs
Roads
Bubble wrap
Drinks bottles
Toothbrushes
Life jackets
Fishing line
Tennis rackets
Roller blades
Eye glasses
Lunch boxes
Flower pots
Toys
Car seats
Insulation
Nail polish
Hair spray
Medicines
Insect repellant
Golf balls
It is naive to think that fossil fuels will ever die .Even if all first world countries generate their electricity from non fossil fuel sources . You will never bully into submission china , russian federation , india etc to stop burning or utilizing fossil fuels.
That would require a paradigm shift in manufacturing . You can try all you want fossil fuels will be utilized/burned directly or indirectly at some point . Large ships , heavy equipment and transport companies run on fuel oil and diesel . Roads are even made from petroleum . China and India has a combined population of 2.7 billion and counting. Their new found love for capitalism/free markets will require burning of fossil fuels for their growth . 82% of India's electricity comes from burning fossil fuels and for China its 62% for Coal alone. These two countries are projected to be the 2 largest economies in the world after 40 to 50 years from now ahead of USA. You will not be able to handle them at that point of time just like you cannot handle Russia currently . Coal and natural gas accounts for 63% of energy generation of the USA . It will take perhaps a century even for first world countries to get away from fossil fuels .I am digressing a little bit but you get the idea . You will not make fossil fuels disappear . Not for another 2 or 3 centuries . Naive dreams .
They don't care about global catastrophe. They care about business opportunity...but I care about Nigeria and about Peru.
shell spelled backwards is hells
GroovyVideo2 O.M.G., shoot me....
While I understand Robert is keeping an open mind, I just can't help but be extremely suspicious of this company. Somewhat less than BP maybe, but....
I think this video is wrong really. Showing up to a hugely polluting oil companies PR stunt full of the same tech used in cars but at such obscenely small weights and powers that it will have no change in our transportation. I thought this show was about shining a light on new paths forward. (not that I think there's time left for that. We've ignored the issue too long and polluted too much to turn back)
Maybe read this: th-cam.com/users/fullychargedshowcommunity
I wouldn't be bothered by this tech if used with biofuels in remote rural areas (limited access to electricity).
And yet ICE vehicles are still marketed on peak power and peak torque, as if buyers are wanting to race the damn things! :)
It seems obvious to me why Shell is doing this. When fuel from the last remaining oil to be pulled out of the ground costs $100 per gallon they still want you to buy a car that lets you afford it.
Solar challenge on in the USA
Intro & Outro very loud + the rest is to quiet