yes, I listen and feel his frustration coming through too, that is where my study of Krishnamurti usually comes to a halt. He does not exhibit a vibration that I want to emulate. He is always mad. I am humbly trying to get past a state of anger.
@@hcharton5722 You want to emulate and seek a vibration in him which you don't see, but that's exactly what he doesn't want anyone to attempt to do. We have been conditioned by society to seek a system and follow it, whereas his goal is to guide us to seek it on our own without looking for a system to adhere to or follow. I have most of his books but have not read even one. I will start reading them. Meanwhile, I will continue watching his talks as there is intensity and depth in his talks which may not be available in the book. Someone in the comments section in one of his talks had suggested reading his "Freedom From The Known." I think you should look it up. It might give you the answers you are looking for. The road to Absolute clarity is a pathless path. A master can only lead us upto a certain point. Then, you are on your own. The path may be difficult but I believe that the journey and the destination will certainly be worth it all. My humble opinion and suggestion. No offended intended 😊🙏
@hcharton5722 If I could share my perspective, the whole reason this man is conveying his message is because this man has seen the true Self. His approach is what fits him best in has path of truth, remember.. there is no absolute way of approach. Only the one you find and express, yes the intensity varies in degree; how men express. But it's essentially the same in nature, it's about seeing through his way of conveying the message of truth, focusing on what you can adopt in finding it in your own way/path; using your own creative ability. Do not focus on the messenger, but the message, and all concepts will dissappear. Because that outdoes any resistance you're having of not agreeing to his ways. Remember: The All is Mind, the Universe is Mental. You are the Creator.
I liked your comment but in my thinking the moving water becomes clear only when is still, similarly we approach these videos with energy and influences and the same energy and movement makes us go down and read comments or do whatever but watch the video an then only after few moments we come to the video and listen/observe carefully.
I was listening to this question and Krishnaji’s reply sitting alone in the Theosophical Society, Bangalore in the year 2004. That moment where Krishnaji absolutely denies possibility of finding contentment, the mind stilled completely and causeless bliss opened up for the first time.
i had to lose my job to find Jiddu Krishnamurti ... I am not sure if I would have listened to his profound teachings otherwise... one hand, i am still coping with job loss, on the other hand, i feel grateful that i have found a teacher in Jiddu Krishnamurti.
@sebastianvettel1000 In my case, I was too occupied with my job that I had no time to find and read Jiddu Krisnamurti. Once I lost my job and couldn't get a new one in spite of non-stop efforts for a few years, it dawned on me that prospective employers are seeing me as a suitable candidate for retirement instead of hiring. So first I started my own project and then after finishing it I devoted my full attention to finding the root cause of my discontent. That's how I moved from meditation to Inner Engineering to Advait Vedanta to Krishnamurti and finding it to be so as its nature.
I'm reminded of a story involving the Buddha, which may or may not be apocryphal. Someone told him: "I want happiness". Buddha replied: "Remove the the first 2 words and happiness will be there." Or something to that effect.
Yes, or if you want to put it in K's words, seeking is movement. When there is no seeking because one perceives the futility of it then there is no movement, and when there is no movement of the mind then joy comes uninvited.
This passionate and masterful meditation of his is even more relevant today than it was 40 years ago. Thanks a lot to the Krishnamurti Foundation for posting his talks on TH-cam. He was such a unique "psychologist of spirituality".
Discontent may 1:Caused by something ( that's when u believe something as reality and want to achieve that) but its an cycle never end 2: not caused by something ( it happen when u just find nothing will satisfy you.. everything on illusion ) Comparison : Both are idea ( fire ) that will make u achieve something.. But in first one you are in the game In second you are watching the Game
@@aleks7045 Achieve? That implies effort, an idea and working towards it, a motive. So it is not different than any other discontent that seeks satisfaction. The discontent in itself is with the whole process of thought and consequently what it has produced in the world.
@@thothtrismegistus929 life is a cycle of content and discontent. Where the mind body and soul belives it needs to reach content from the current feeling of discontent. Once reached the content, the feeling of fullfillness slowly fades away as you see a bigger cause or goal and suddenly the place where you reached which was content converts itself into discontent and the cycle continues. So to answer your question, If you are content, you will feel discontent over time. (The fact the you're asking this question might be the sign) But if you're content does not fade away, you've reached eternal happiness/satisfaction and there's nothing do to It's always eternal satisfaction(completely content) or eternal emptiness(completely discontent) Both are faces of the same coin
@@srinidhivasishta5432 but how can you stick with being content all the time? By thinking long goal and never achieve it but live in the expectancy all the time? Basically faith?
IMAGINE an Educational System whatever level, with this kind of wisdom in every teacher. The World could be less dumbed down, less shallow and more compasionate . Then, we could talk about conscieuosness developement, society walks in hypnose and blind acceptance, such a people are competitieve and thus destructive, the whole conditioning is destructive.
This is a very interesting and philosophical way to elucidate the idea of "awareness". Essentially he is saying that to let yourself be consumed by discontent while being aware that you are being consumed by discontent, you are the same as someone standing outside the discontent pointing at it and saying: "This is so". And that people who are totally discontent and fed up with everything about existence are in the very unique and privileged position of being able to discover awareness and separate consciousness from the content of life -- which is the ultimate purpose of our existence here. I love how he never serves up answers on a plate but makes the listener/audience really work for their own understanding of them.
In last paragraph JK is saying that...When you completely aware of dissatisfaction then you become free from dissatisfaction basically he meant you become enlightened. And other person is also enlightened. So once an enlightened person meets other enlightened person. Then both enlightened person are same or alike. Why ? Because both enlightened people doesn't have self or ego hence "No seperation". Generally we have image of everything in our life...We have image of ourselves. Image of our friends, image of tree, birds etc. When you become completely free from all images means your Ego dissolves and when you watch "A tree" without ego ...Then you become tree. Images means seperation. If I have image of my mother then I have seperated myself with my mother. It's a fact. You are Tree. If you are looking at tree without "Self" or without seperation. You are rock, You are bird You are earth You are humanity. But you are not everything, if you have self or Ego inside you then you are individual and seperated from everything.
@@IAMinfiniteandfree. it does not. It is just another concept, perptuating the same movement of thought that is no different from the one that "wants" to be free from thought. The analyzer and the analyzed are one and the same.
One who is discontented with everything and refuses to hold on to any mechanism of escape for contentment is a worthy listener of j k's talk. He will see that j k is no different from him except the fact that j k has not made a problem of his discontentment and instead, he has cleared his mind off the causes of all the disturbing thoughts .His listeners can also do the same for contentment.This is my understanding.
"j k has not made a problem of his discontentment and instead, he has cleared his mind off the causes of all the disturbing thoughts."This was insightful. But If you are discontent, how can you not have disturbing thoughts... Or maybe you can.
It is not the thought itself, but the value you subscribe tho the thought that gives it its weight. If you see thought as just that, it passes like any other. Only when you hold onto it in your mind does it have time to become attached with emotion.
Yes anything limited is a problem....discontent is a conclusion a limitation and same goes for contentment. You are infinte. Anything finite is trouble.
@thskendjeo134 Yes, but being discontent with everything may be a key to see the real truth, other than always searching for satisfaction, material pleasure, and contentness. It's kind of awakening.
I can say this from when I had total awareness: when people tell you they didn't understand your message, it requires a lot of attention to get it right for them. it's not you or them, it's the relationship between you two that carries the message. without total awareness there can't be a valueable message at all. so focus, and go into it until you know and feel the perfect truth of the answer. that is total awareness, and that works. the person will immediately understand what is meant and it is also the only way for you to maintain total awareness, the acting out of total awareness. we live life today in such a way that we expect a person to answer quickly and be witty. such a quick answer most often has no total clarity. you say something and it is mostly true, but either it doesn't mean much because you live in concepts, or it doesn't consider the state of mind of the other person entirely. this is the mediocrity that K sometimes talks about. let's say you're talking with a friend that broke up with his girlfriend, and you tell him not to worry and do this and that. that message is not true in the sense that it doesn't get to the root of the problem. and your friend will probably pretend to be thankful but inwardly disappointed. he directly feels the grief and sorrow and he wants a solution for that, because he deeply knows there is a solution. with full attention, you could see the clinging of their thoughts and all the confused intentions and decisions that made them search for a relationship in the first place. with full attention you would see that not only have they completely gotten confused about human relationship out of desire, but they also don't see where to go without desire, because they don't know it, perhaps they never meditated. so you go deep in their state of consciousness and see how they really feel, you understand them so well that you become them for the moment, of course combined with your knowledge. out of this merged state of consciousness comes the answer. so this never happens, because we just accelerate more and more and our thoughts go more insane. it's almost impossible to find someone who is willing for you to take some minutes to get the attention to answer. the expectation is much too high, we expect everyone to already have full attention, while in reality, nobody has that. people are somewhere between fine and complete confusion, never here entirely
I try to do it for others but i havent completely understood it myself and thats why i cant help others by helping myself understand my mind ill be helping others ...btw this was an excellent observation i want to send it to someone who gives me gyaan but they never truly understand me
K is saying if are dissatisfied with everything, hence not satisfied with a thing, no matter what it is. Such a person is rare, but the speaker can meet that person, that person is not alone. Now, one must be very careful not to lie to one's self and aim for misery just so one can tell one's self that I am there next to that great man.
to be totally unsatisfied with yourself and the universe reflects to me best the fact that nothing or nobody what or whosoever can fill this gap. to feel this as a matter of fact to me is the starting point to so called enlightenment...if you fill this gap with cunsumption or any substitutes the journey will never start...coz you too easily fall asleep once again...this is how our whole capitalistic society functions...but facing the void in yourself without any cheap substitute...even so called love between human beings...will bring your inner flame of unsatisfaction to an eternal fire...and this fire is pure energy...like our sun ...burning...feel that and you will know...avoid it you will fall asleep again in a mediocre state of mind...i really wished to have met that guy...so integer and intelligent
Does this mean either be asleep or in an extreme state of dissatisfaction? If so neither of these options seem like paths I’d like to pursue...I think I’m missing something, what’s the point of making your inner flame grow?
complete discontentment is the beginning of seeing through the illusion. you won’t let your mind be made small. you won’t let yourself bask in temporary and illusionary satisfaction. nothing in this world can please you, so now what will you do?
Today I felt discontent with everything, I mean, everything. I was about go to sleep and saw this video at the beggining of my youtube feed. To listen to this amazing being makes me want to live another day. Long life to Krishnamurti
Listening all his talk, one thing he kept insisting is to hold on to every emotion without venting it out which is indeed very difficult. Observing patiently, fear, greed, discontent everything. Accepting all that part of ME. Staying aloof, dissecting every psychological structure, doubt, staying with questions but not get distracted or tired. Because he truly cared for each of the questions came from within. This firm discontent for the world made him realise the ultimate living truth. Our problem is we have false love-hate relationship with the world. His discontent made him free from desire, ego, sorrow etc. May be this is the singular emotion he stayed with.
..........................'my' heart-HEART- felt profound gratitude.........YES..the............. .........- ABSOLUTE Fire=WisdOM never burns itSELF only what it is not - ...........
Discontentment is a good sign! Discontentment from the material world makes us seek Higher Truth! Mind gets discontented when the newness of a person, thing or situation is gone. It is it’s nature (rajasic nature). It wants more & more… it is not satisfied by millions or trillions of dollars. It is never satisfied by worldly “stuff”. Only Spirituality can satisfy the mind & feel content. Divine is new everyday; this newness satisfies the seeking mind ultimately.
I am discontented with everything. - Good. What's wrong with me? - Nothing & everything. -Everything, when you're not aware of the thought that you should NOT be discontent as your perception of the world grows clearer. Nothing, when you return to your awareness.
The difference? - Both are discontent. One as a whole individual, and therefore compassionate in his approach. The other as a divided person, and therefore antagonistic in his approach. The fragment inevitably moves to meet with the compassionate whole, of which it is inherently a part of.
@@dbay9408 Thanks for the advice about thinking too much. Ironically, it seems that you, on the other hand, have not given your reply enough conscious thought: By labeling something as "crap", you're inadvertently creating a problem, and perpetuating more thinking.
Even if you don't believe what he's implying, he is an amazing teacher in the truest sense of the word. He is literally teaching you how to have original thought. We bandy about words like love, fear etc, but until we've investigated without the word, we don't really know what those things mean. I think you can take any of these emotions like love or fear, and if you go to the very end of it, you're free; but almost no one ever does. We're all copycats and unoriginal thinkers repeating what we've been taught or conditioned to believe.
He talked about 2 type of people. 1st one who has find the ways of his dissatisfaction, by satisfying him with mere distraction like entertainment so he has just wasted immense possibility of human mind 2nd one is still dissatisfied and he is burning in the fire of dissatisfaction, somehow he is becoming antagonistic towards speaker or many be many other people around him. By becoming antagonistic he has somehow moved from becoming dis-satisfied, but still is in aflame and he has just moved from one type of fire to another fire .
If the discontent developes antagonism, a person has moved from what is burning. If a person remains discontent without developing antagonism, he is on fire, he is one with what is burning with no intention of leaving.
Discontent comes from us being programmed with the solutions we've been sold. Thinking that one should be inwardly at peace is one source of discontent.
24 Min's in. The world will be all most totally uninhabitable in 50 years. That was almost 30 years ago. Climate emergency we have about 20 years left. He was right about a lot!
I think it's rubbish personally, the planet and cosmos has a greater effect on itself than humans ever will and studies show that most of the c02 in the atmosphere is caused by.......dun dun dun water vapour. Carbon is very necessary for life just like oxygen. We will still be here in 10 years. The world isn't as messed up as they want you to believe. Further more it's not us humans doing most of the damage but massive corporations. The sun and cosmos, Who now want to make money off of free energy. Problem is to have a revolution takes alot of money money money and they don't want to spend it. So they are getting us to spend our money to set up new industries for them so they don't lose money in the change over. And most of that change is rubbish and a con. For example battery powered energy driven cars are just as damaging if not more so to the planet because of the chemicals and resources nessacery to build and power a battery. No one thinks about this those batteries and their cores are not indefinitely avalible they come from dun dun dun.....The earth. Same with your computers and phones ect ect. Their billion dollar industries that are conning you. The fact most of us think the earth is that meek that we could destroy it. Is a frankly a bad joke. The earth will destroy us way before we end it and then go on living. AS LONG AS the solar system and sun are conducive and optimal for that to occur. Problem with us humans is we are so self obsessed and beleave ourselves so self important and powerful. Hence creating problems in our heads that don't exist. This makes us easy to manipulate by others who understand this and use it against us. Problem (real or fake) Reaction Solution. 101 and been used for thousands of years to manipulate us. If everyone just shut up for 5 mins and enjoyed the ride that is we would all be alot happier.
One is dissatisfied because one is seeking satisfaction in physical, material things or some beliefs. Then one gets bored, so it always end in dissatisfaction. Maybe awareness of the desire to be satisfied is the beginning in curing it.
You can't cure desire because that's all you are will and desire. The reason your here desire, the reason you eat desire, love, breath. You live now because you desire to, if some took your live in their hands you would fight for it beg for it. Right now it's easy to say you don't desire but it's not a conscious thing, your body will fight to live even if you tell yourself and it not to (I don't want to). You desire sex or at least some form of connection or affection. You cannot escape desire. Even saying I don't desire anything is a inversion of not getting what we want. Depression is desire without will or will without desire. Any attempt to say I do not desire is an illusion of yourself and based in ego. To cease to desire one must cease to exist. Because saying I will train myself not to desire is mearly saying I desire not to desire. 😎👊
I find myself in this position...discontent with almost Everything in my life. Despite a lot of spiritual learning and insights.. Listening to this video made me somehow laugh..all the discontentment got somehow funny. I'm thinking....if one instead of beeing discontent just accept Everything as it/they/I is/am....not putting a value like good or bad....satisfied or discontent....only acceptence, like. It is what it is....maby it will help....
(I'm no expert) but one might say that K's '"solution"' could be complete observation (which is not apathy at all) which brings a transformation of consciousness and only then right action will come. People who give solutions and ones looking to them for solutions are quite often only a curse
We are high in mental intelligence and low in emotional and spiritual intelligence. We believing finding more information will lead us to the answer, which only grows our mental intelligence. Stop that and cultivate presence and awareness.
You won’t get happiness and or answers to your questions by questioning more and sitting down, if you’re unhappy with someone or something then find your happiness, make your happiness wether it’s a job, a house , a person a thing. Make it happen, only you can make it end and only you can make it happen. Get up, dust yourself and keep going
The question put and the response to it at the outset describe the branches of the tree called discontent. But, the awareness of the energy crisis (flame) existing in (a) the questioner who is discontented and (b) Krishnamurti who is stating ‘it is so’ meet at the point of immobility and don’t move away, then that’s the timeless state of suspension without a questioner or an answerer - dialogue completed.
It's this discontent somehow awareness of all the sorrow and the ilussion thought has created? And truth meets this discontent because it remains unmovable and does not longer seeks satisfaction in the same pattern?
For most of us, job along with the position, status, esteem, prestige & money etc which comes along with a job is important but job function is unimportant. Jiddu has mentioned in several of his talk that he is just a mirror where human can exactly more or less see or be choicelessly aware of what each one of us are. The mirror is not important and one has to be light to himself.
"Fire is a Fire" - very profound statement being discontented is a good thing Discontent keeps you questioning what our minds, thought, politics, scientists, and leaders have put together
If one listen carefully to the answer given and can see the true beauty (not beauty in the pleaaure way) in the answer which in itself is not denying anything about the questioners feeling one cannot remain untouched even though one should be in this total state of discontent. And if his earlier lectures had stirred up antagony, then, as a logical conclusion must be that the state of total discontent isnt there, since we need some space for our feelings of frustration.
The 1st step (if I may suggest?) is to not resist your depression. Depression is a word. What makes you so sure that you're depressed? You are hypnotized by words and concepts If you had fallen overboard a ship and were drowning you would no longer be depressed. (This extreme example is just to make the point of how conditional your dilemma is.) So progress could begin by not labeling how you feel and instead accepting how you feel as something wonderful.
Since I know & have a relationship with the Creator, I let Him worry about His creation, I just do my own things and journey on , this world like a school.
What an intresting way of looking at life. You believe you know and you believe there is a relationship and thing to know. Much of or troubles aren't in the things themselves but how we interpret them. Enjoy your journey.
What would people of olden days without the technology or comfort we're so used to nowdays would say about this 2019 reality? all discontent is in the mind, and claiming such things about the objective state of "reality" is moving away from the flame that allows one to explore oneself, and the source of the discontentment.
Si una persona comun esta insatisfecha busca placer y confort pero una persona que lleva en si la llama de la insatisfaccion porque ve que la estructura que creo su mente solo le causa dolor sufrimiento y el placer es pasajero se vuelve mas sensible y busca en si mismo la causa del dolor agudiza su vision y descubre su propio funcionamiento mental que es lo que le causa ese sufrimiento ese dolor.
1st Question: I am dissatisfied with everything. I have read and thought a great deal but my discontent with the whole universe is still there. What you talk about makes me more discontented, more disturbed, more troubled. I now feel frustrated, antagonistic to you. What is wrong with what you are saying? Or is something wrong with me? I think the more one observes the world, what is happening - over population, pollution, corruption, violence, and observing all that practically in every country in the world, one is trying to find an answer to all this. That’s one part of the question. And the other is: the questioner says ‘I am discontented, not only with what you are saying but with everything around me: with my job, with my wife, with my husband, with my girlfriend and so on, so on, or boy, or whatever it is. I am discontented’. And that is the common lot for most of us. Either it becomes a consuming flame, or it is dampened down by seeking some kind of satisfaction in various activities of life. And discontent, instead of allowing it to become a consuming flame, most of us almost destroy it. We are so easily satisfied, we are so gullible, we are so ready to accept, and so gradually our discontent withers away and we become the normal, mediocre human beings without any vitality, without any energy, without any urge to do anything. But the questioner says I have been through all that. I have read a great deal, I’ve thought about life a great deal, probably have been all over the world, and I have not found an answer to this discontent. And people who are thoughtful, aware what is happening around them and in themselves, aware that politics, science, religion has not answered any of our deep, human problems. They have technologically evolved, developed and so on, but inwardly I am discontent. And listening to you as the speaker, I am more disturbed, more discontented and antagonistic to what you are. What is wrong with you and what you are saying? Or, there is something wrong with me. First of all let us be very clear that when there is discontent, is that discontent per se - you understand? - per se, in itself, or you are discontented with something? Vous avez compris? You understand? I may be discontented with the world, with the philosophies, with the various instructions of various religions. But that discontent is with something, towards something or in something. It is not the discontent which has no cause, and therefore can be ended. As we said the other day, where there is a cause there is an end. Has this discontent a cause, and therefore it can be resolved, ended? Or this discontent has no cause? Please go with the speaker, we are sharing this question together. As we said, one can be discontented with so many things, as human beings are, better house, better this and better that - you understand? The moment there is a measure there must be discontent. You have understood this? I wonder. I’ll go on, you’ll find... I am glad you are antagonistic to what is being said. Instead of accepting and sitting quietly and saying, yes, but - I am antagonistic to you, I don’t accept! You are causing me much more disturbance, I feel frustrated, therefore I am urged towards this sense of antagonistic attitude. So we must be very clear whether this discontent has a cause and if it has a cause then that discontent is seeking contentment, satisfaction, gratification. So this discontent creates the opposite - to be contented, to be satisfied, to be completely bourgeois, like the Communists are. And if that is this search, desire, if that is what you want when you are deeply discontented - to find something with which you can be completely contented, never to be disturbed, then that discontent will find a way to gather satisfaction, and therefore that discontent is withered, gone. Perhaps that is what most of us are doing. Probably all of you, if I may point out, you are discontented. You have been to this, to that, to that talk, to that person and so on, so on, and you perhaps come here wanting some kind of satisfaction, some kind of certainty, some kind of assurance, some gratifying truth. And if that is so then you will find satisfaction very easily, which most of us do - in the kitchen, in some aspect of religion, or enter politics - Left, Right, Centre or Extreme Left, Extreme Right - and carry on. This is what generally happens with all of us. And so you gradually, inevitably narrow down the mind, make the mind small. And the capacity of the brain is so immense, you have reduced it to mere satisfaction. Vous avez compris? You understand? And if you are not satisfied with anything, if you are discontented with the whole universe, as the questioner puts, not be dissatisfied because you haven’t got a house, or you haven’t got money - you know, at that level. So this discontent, has it no cause and therefore it is a discontent in itself, not because of something? Is that clear? Am I making this - we are getting together, are we making this clear? That is, I am discontent, if I am seeking contentment, that is very simple and very easy. But if I am totally completely dissatisfied with everything: with the government, with the religion, with science, politics, everything. And such people are rare, such people have this flame of discontent. And perhaps such a person comes here, listens, reads, hears, and that discontent increases, it becomes all-consuming. So what shall we do? You understand the question clearly? What shall we do with a human being who is totally and completely dissatisfied with all the structure of thought? As I said, such a person is a very rare human being. Such a person one can meet because he is - please listen carefully - he is in an immovable state - right? He is not seeking, he is not wanting, he is not pursuing something or other - he is aflame with this thing. And the speaker is also immovable - right? You understand what I am saying? What he says is so, not because he is dogmatic, superstitious, romantic, or self-assertive. He says that if you know, comprehend your consciousness with its content and the freeing of that consciousness from its content there is a totally different dimension. He has said this for sixty years, not because he has invented it, it is so. He has discussed with scientists, philosophers, great scholars and so on. And they have acknowledged, some of them, that it is so. Scientists seek that which is beyond, through matter. And the speaker says human beings with their brain and heart and mind are matter - process, and instead of looking at matter outside you, enquire into this matter who you are, and you can go much further, and more he has said - the ending of sorrow, the ending of fear and so on. And there are these two entities, one - are you following all this? - one completely discontented, nothing satisfies him, words, books, ideas, leaders, politics, scientists - nothing and so he is in a state of immobility. And the other is equally immovable, will not budge, will not yield. Are you following all this? What happens? When two human beings, one completely from his depth of mind and heart, dissatisfied, and the other from the depth of his mind and the depth of his heart and so on says ‘It is so’. These two entities meet. You understand what I am saying? It is not romantic, it is not something invented, something out of imagination. This is so. One feels antagonistic to the other, which means he has already moved. I don’t know if you follow it. He has not remained completely dissatisfied. The moment he says, ‘I am antagonistic to you or your talk and all that’, he has moved away from what is burning. Therefore he has already softened. I wonder if you understand this. And the other has no antagonism. He says, ‘It is so’. When this person meets the other without antagonism, without wanting something from the speaker, then he is alike. Have you understood this? I wonder! No, I see you don’t understand this. If this discontent develops antagonism, it is no longer discontent. Right? And so he is aflame with what he calls discontent. It’s a flame. And the other too is aflame. You understand? Then both are the same. Fire is a fire. It is not your fire, and my fire, it is fire. When the fire is dampened, then the two are different. Vous avez compris? So if the speaker may ask: are you, as a human being, living in this terrible world, and if you have followed, they are saying within fifty years the earth will be almost uninhabitable, what is your condition of discontent? Is it merely puerile, childish, immature? Or if you are a human being totally aflame with discontent, never developing a reaction against that - being frustrated, being antagonistic, but let that flame be alive, then both are the same.
J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel all his talks are great but this is brilliant! If anyone could explain the last para to me? Are we saying keep the flame alive but don’t become antagonist because it is what it is or does he mean both acceptance and antagonist is the same?
@@ashwinidombale7158 I think he is saying in last para to stay with the reality of discontentment and not develop reaction( By creating an opposte idea) which creates conflict and division. Staying with the reality discontentment and observing it will lead to clarity.
Not only with life and the whole universe, but I feel completely discontedted with the so called "myself". Les's see if that does the trick (in the long run)...
If the world, people, happenings be considered as a dream or maya, the frustration can be overcome. One should not consider oneself as a limited body-mind complex but as an unlimited, deathless, pure soul. One should remain a mere witness of the happenings without getting too much involved.
"...[people who are] discontented with religion, politics, science, everything- and such people are rare..." Not these days they aren't, and perhaps rightfully so. Things have certainly been more grim in the past, though never have we been so close to the precipice of our own extinction whilst charging with such mindless confidence toward it. Furthermore I'd also argue people have never been quite so alienated from each other, particularly in the West.
I am totally discontent in everything merely because I can sense that I am not content in my 58 years of living. My discontentment was the flame for my survival and for as long as I have that flame I will live until the flame dies.
Being discontented has to do with control so I believe and passed conditioning. My thought I don't expect anything from anyone. Just let what will happen will happen if you go in expecting something to happen their is a big chance it won't besides if one expects something to happen a certain way you're missing out on what could have happened. Not sure if these kind of people are rare they just come in different degrees of discontent. As far as what is going on in the world we can change this by being aware of ourself. I prefer to just drop the word discontent. We are here to learn from each other but every encounter may not resonate and that is perfectly OK.
I just feel bored of all the spiritual teachings I've come across since starting my journey when I was 13, I'm 38 now and don't want to give up on spirituality or mindfulness, but sometimes I feel like I need to do something other than thinking of or practicing these ideas. A combination of rational, critical, and logical thinking leads to believe quite strongly that we made these ideas up, just like how we made up language ethics and morality. I agree that taking breaks from it all helps or having other hobbies are a more balanced lifestyle. way to many teachings and philosophies that contradict and some that are too condescending for my liking. I have way to many questions to pose for the the ideas of being the chosen one, chakras, past lives, astrology, eleven eleven, backwards law, law of attraction, (which is a bullshit and dangerous or magical thinking which isn't practical) and so many others. meaning value reason or purpose of or for anything imaginable can and does lead some of us to obsession and lets just face it that's not healthy. remember its ok to think for yourself.
even without watching this will know that K will make it much more complicated than it need be. meditate..go within and rest in your Self once or twice a day and you won't be discontented anymore. the solution is never "out there", ie all the objects and events of the world, but only deep within.
Total dissatisfaction equals total non-conformity. That is, to the encompassing or non-dual gaze (perception), which never settles, never stops at a goal (or duality). It is then that duality and non-duality come into equilibrium: if there is seeking, movement in time, the equilibrium is broken, the duality governs, not being perceived. Non-duality and duality (see D. Bohm's Holokinesis) perform an intrinsically expansive, dynamic dance: cosmic Mind is movement, holomovement or holokinesis, in itself, but outside of time (or including within itself time, rather). Thought or duality is in pursuit of something, and for that reason it moves: it is a conditioned, circumstantial movement, it believes that it will ever stop at that which it seeks.
L'éternel opposition entre l'espoir et le désespoir, entre " a quoi bon?" Et "fais le quand même"... Aujourd'hui nous savons que cela peut simplement venir d'un dysfonctionnement chimique dans la cerveau, un manque de sérotonine qui peuvent nous rendre incapable d'apprécier quoi que se soit, et au même temps c'est aussi ce manque de sérotonine qui met le cerveau dans cette quête éternelle de trouver des réponses et cogiter sur tout.
Here is the solution, end it. Because until then, you are you. Hay who knows maybe your you after this experience as well. The alternative is simple as well. Act. In action you do not think. And thought is the discountentment. So when you are unhappy. Go and do something and stop thinking about crap.
Expectations. Is The word that is missing here, in the comparison of the two. Of this wonderful example. One says it is so. This is the world. The other expects it to match to his will. And in that sense he is contradicting himself by that expectation.
Whoever is owning this youtube channel - THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
How this man devoted his life to speak and help others. I can feel his frustration and burning aliveness as he is trying to convey his message to us.
yes, I listen and feel his frustration coming through too, that is where my study of Krishnamurti usually comes to a halt. He does not exhibit a vibration that I want to emulate. He is always mad. I am humbly trying to get past a state of anger.
@@hcharton5722 You want to emulate and seek a vibration in him which you don't see, but that's exactly what he doesn't want anyone to attempt to do. We have been conditioned by society to seek a system and follow it, whereas his goal is to guide us to seek it on our own without looking for a system to adhere to or follow. I have most of his books but have not read even one. I will start reading them. Meanwhile, I will continue watching his talks as there is intensity and depth in his talks which may not be available in the book. Someone in the comments section in one of his talks had suggested reading his "Freedom From The Known." I think you should look it up. It might give you the answers you are looking for. The road to Absolute clarity is a pathless path. A master can only lead us upto a certain point. Then, you are on your own. The path may be difficult but I believe that the journey and the destination will certainly be worth it all. My humble opinion and suggestion. No offended intended 😊🙏
Omg! Your profile pic. I literally thought there's eyelash or hair on my screen and was trying to remove it.😂😂😂
his feeling is yours :)
@hcharton5722 If I could share my perspective, the whole reason this man is conveying his message is because this man has seen the true Self.
His approach is what fits him best in has path of truth, remember.. there is no absolute way of approach. Only the one you find and express, yes the intensity varies in degree; how men express.
But it's essentially the same in nature, it's about seeing through his way of conveying the message of truth, focusing on what you can adopt in finding it in your own way/path; using your own creative ability.
Do not focus on the messenger, but the message, and all concepts will dissappear. Because that outdoes any resistance you're having of not agreeing to his ways.
Remember: The All is Mind, the Universe is Mental. You are the Creator.
You are so dissatisfied that as soon as you start watching the video you come to the comment section to find new information
I liked your comment but in my thinking the moving water becomes clear only when is still, similarly we approach these videos with energy and influences and the same energy and movement makes us go down and read comments or do whatever but watch the video an then only after few moments we come to the video and listen/observe carefully.
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you've mirrored yourself.
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Ecstatic Consciousness 😲
I was listening to this question and Krishnaji’s reply sitting alone in the Theosophical Society, Bangalore in the year 2004. That moment where Krishnaji absolutely denies possibility of finding contentment, the mind stilled completely and causeless bliss opened up for the first time.
i had to lose my job to find Jiddu Krishnamurti ... I am not sure if I would have listened to his profound teachings otherwise... one hand, i am still coping with job loss, on the other hand, i feel grateful that i have found a teacher in Jiddu Krishnamurti.
Gratitude is a good way to stamp out discontent.
why do you have to lose your job to find JK ? Just curious to know
@sebastianvettel1000 In my case, I was too occupied with my job that I had no time to find and read Jiddu Krisnamurti. Once I lost my job and couldn't get a new one in spite of non-stop efforts for a few years, it dawned on me that prospective employers are seeing me as a suitable candidate for retirement instead of hiring. So first I started my own project and then after finishing it I devoted my full attention to finding the root cause of my discontent. That's how I moved from meditation to Inner Engineering to Advait Vedanta to Krishnamurti and finding it to be so as its nature.
Same here! XD
Blessing in curse 💞
I'm reminded of a story involving the Buddha, which may or may not be apocryphal. Someone told him: "I want happiness". Buddha replied: "Remove the the first 2 words and happiness will be there." Or something to that effect.
Yes, or if you want to put it in K's words, seeking is movement. When there is no seeking because one perceives the futility of it then there is no movement, and when there is no movement of the mind then joy comes uninvited.
@@DPLS77brilliant, thanks for the explanation :)
Yes because happiness is a word and hence wholly ambiguous.
This passionate and masterful meditation of his is even more relevant today than it was 40 years ago.
Thanks a lot to the Krishnamurti Foundation for posting his talks on TH-cam.
He was such a unique "psychologist of spirituality".
Discontent may
1:Caused by something ( that's when u believe something as reality and want to achieve that) but its an cycle never end
2: not caused by something ( it happen when u just find nothing will satisfy you.. everything on illusion )
Comparison :
Both are idea ( fire ) that will make u achieve something..
But in first one you are in the game
In second you are watching the
Game
Danny archer what it’ll make you achieve in the second case？
@@aleks7045 Achieve? That implies effort, an idea and working towards it, a motive. So it is not different than any other discontent that seeks satisfaction. The discontent in itself is with the whole process of thought and consequently what it has produced in the world.
What to do if there's no such discontent?
@@thothtrismegistus929 life is a cycle of content and discontent.
Where the mind body and soul belives it needs to reach content from the current feeling of discontent.
Once reached the content, the feeling of fullfillness slowly fades away as you see a bigger cause or goal and suddenly the place where you reached which was content converts itself into discontent and the cycle continues.
So to answer your question,
If you are content, you will feel discontent over time.
(The fact the you're asking this question might be the sign)
But if you're content does not fade away, you've reached eternal happiness/satisfaction and there's nothing do to
It's always eternal satisfaction(completely content) or eternal emptiness(completely discontent)
Both are faces of the same coin
@@srinidhivasishta5432 but how can you stick with being content all the time? By thinking long goal and never achieve it but live in the expectancy all the time? Basically faith?
J krishna murti is the real incarnation of immeasurable
This is absolutely brilliant! I have become content with my 'discontent' after this.
The words of this man completely changed my life. I cannot express the gratitude I fell towards him.
IMAGINE an Educational System whatever level, with this kind of wisdom in every teacher. The World could be less dumbed down, less shallow and more compasionate . Then, we could talk about conscieuosness developement, society walks in hypnose and blind acceptance, such a people are competitieve and thus destructive, the whole conditioning is destructive.
There are Krishnamurti schools
No need for anything like this. The world is good as it is. We change the world by our own accumulation of wisdom and understanding
dissatisfied
dont imagine, become :)
@@theelement6255 👍
This is a very interesting and philosophical way to elucidate the idea of "awareness". Essentially he is saying that to let yourself be consumed by discontent while being aware that you are being consumed by discontent, you are the same as someone standing outside the discontent pointing at it and saying: "This is so". And that people who are totally discontent and fed up with everything about existence are in the very unique and privileged position of being able to discover awareness and separate consciousness from the content of life -- which is the ultimate purpose of our existence here. I love how he never serves up answers on a plate but makes the listener/audience really work for their own understanding of them.
Thank you 🙏🏽
What?
What changes with the world after that?
Your words made my heart warm.
@@kaushalsuvarna5156 the world is your reflection, that will change I suppose
In last paragraph JK is saying that...When you completely aware of dissatisfaction then you become free from dissatisfaction basically he meant you become enlightened. And other person is also enlightened. So once an enlightened person meets other enlightened person. Then both enlightened person are same or alike. Why ? Because both enlightened people doesn't have self or ego hence "No seperation".
Generally we have image of everything in our life...We have image of ourselves. Image of our friends, image of tree, birds etc.
When you become completely free from all images means your Ego dissolves and when you watch "A tree" without ego ...Then you become tree. Images means seperation. If I have image of my mother then I have seperated myself with my mother. It's a fact.
You are Tree. If you are looking at tree without "Self" or without seperation.
You are rock,
You are bird
You are earth
You are humanity.
But you are not everything, if you have self or Ego inside you then you are individual and seperated from everything.
It makes so much sense now...thanks!
Does enlightenment even exist? Sounds like escapism of the ego to escape his suffering.
@@IAMinfiniteandfree. what pain do you want to escape from?
@@IAMinfiniteandfree. it does not. It is just another concept, perptuating the same movement of thought that is no different from the one that "wants" to be free from thought. The analyzer and the analyzed are one and the same.
@@bryansuarez2396 makes so much sense ✨
One who is discontented with everything and refuses to hold on to any mechanism of escape for contentment is a worthy listener of j k's talk. He will see that j k is no different from him except the fact that j k has not made a problem of his discontentment and instead, he has cleared his mind off the causes of all the disturbing thoughts .His listeners can also do the same for contentment.This is my understanding.
"j k has not made a problem of his discontentment and instead, he has cleared his mind off the causes of all the disturbing thoughts."This was insightful. But If you are discontent, how can you not have disturbing thoughts... Or maybe you can.
It is not the thought itself, but the value you subscribe tho the thought that gives it its weight. If you see thought as just that, it passes like any other. Only when you hold onto it in your mind does it have time to become attached with emotion.
Yes anything limited is a problem....discontent is a conclusion a limitation and same goes for contentment. You are infinte. Anything finite is trouble.
You are right.
@thskendjeo134 Yes, but being discontent with everything may be a key to see the real truth, other than always searching for satisfaction, material pleasure, and contentness. It's kind of awakening.
I can say this from when I had total awareness: when people tell you they didn't understand your message, it requires a lot of attention to get it right for them. it's not you or them, it's the relationship between you two that carries the message. without total awareness there can't be a valueable message at all. so focus, and go into it until you know and feel the perfect truth of the answer. that is total awareness, and that works. the person will immediately understand what is meant and it is also the only way for you to maintain total awareness, the acting out of total awareness.
we live life today in such a way that we expect a person to answer quickly and be witty. such a quick answer most often has no total clarity. you say something and it is mostly true, but either it doesn't mean much because you live in concepts, or it doesn't consider the state of mind of the other person entirely. this is the mediocrity that K sometimes talks about. let's say you're talking with a friend that broke up with his girlfriend, and you tell him not to worry and do this and that. that message is not true in the sense that it doesn't get to the root of the problem. and your friend will probably pretend to be thankful but inwardly disappointed. he directly feels the grief and sorrow and he wants a solution for that, because he deeply knows there is a solution. with full attention, you could see the clinging of their thoughts and all the confused intentions and decisions that made them search for a relationship in the first place. with full attention you would see that not only have they completely gotten confused about human relationship out of desire, but they also don't see where to go without desire, because they don't know it, perhaps they never meditated. so you go deep in their state of consciousness and see how they really feel, you understand them so well that you become them for the moment, of course combined with your knowledge. out of this merged state of consciousness comes the answer.
so this never happens, because we just accelerate more and more and our thoughts go more insane. it's almost impossible to find someone who is willing for you to take some minutes to get the attention to answer. the expectation is much too high, we expect everyone to already have full attention, while in reality, nobody has that. people are somewhere between fine and complete confusion, never here entirely
I try to do it for others but i havent completely understood it myself and thats why i cant help others by helping myself understand my mind ill be helping others ...btw this was an excellent observation i want to send it to someone who gives me gyaan but they never truly understand me
Thank you for your comment. In complete attention, we are one.
If you instantly want to become twice as rich.....want half as much!
K is saying if are dissatisfied with everything, hence not satisfied with a thing, no matter what it is. Such a person is rare, but the speaker can meet that person, that person is not alone.
Now, one must be very careful not to lie to one's self and aim for misery just so one can tell one's self that I am there next to that great man.
to be totally unsatisfied with yourself and the universe reflects to me best the fact that nothing or nobody what or whosoever can fill this gap. to feel this as a matter of fact to me is the starting point to so called enlightenment...if you fill this gap with cunsumption or any substitutes the journey will never start...coz you too easily fall asleep once again...this is how our whole capitalistic society functions...but facing the void in yourself without any cheap substitute...even so called love between human beings...will bring your inner flame of unsatisfaction to an eternal fire...and this fire is pure energy...like our sun ...burning...feel that and you will know...avoid it you will fall asleep again in a mediocre state of mind...i really wished to have met that guy...so integer and intelligent
@nitesh jain I think I can relate to u...I m on the way to something...Idk I can't describe but I get his comment and even urs too
Does this mean either be asleep or in an extreme state of dissatisfaction? If so neither of these options seem like paths I’d like to pursue...I think I’m missing something, what’s the point of making your inner flame grow?
@@ronniemonae1809 be aware of your extreme dissatisfaction without escaping. Then you become free from it permanently.
complete discontentment is the beginning of seeing through the illusion. you won’t let your mind be made small. you won’t let yourself bask in temporary and illusionary satisfaction. nothing in this world can please you, so now what will you do?
I dont know 😕 😔 😐 🤷
Still searching
Staying discontented, in darkness everything is one
Live with the flame of discontent
@@DPLS77 yes, but suppose you want to get rid of it.
i just love him . brilliant
All he taught was love.. All his life.
@@atul_GST no
@@observingatoms what do you mean no ?
Today I felt discontent with everything, I mean, everything. I was about go to sleep and saw this video at the beggining of my youtube feed. To listen to this amazing being makes me want to live another day. Long life to Krishnamurti
In my opinion he was a great man who has a very deep understanding of life. 👍🏻
Listening all his talk, one thing he kept insisting is to hold on to every emotion without venting it out which is indeed very difficult. Observing patiently, fear, greed, discontent everything. Accepting all that part of ME. Staying aloof, dissecting every psychological structure, doubt, staying with questions but not get distracted or tired. Because he truly cared for each of the questions came from within. This firm discontent for the world made him realise the ultimate living truth. Our problem is we have false love-hate relationship with the world. His discontent made him free from desire, ego, sorrow etc. May be this is the singular emotion he stayed with.
then there are two flames, and fire is fire
He seems to give more importance to observing the emotion. How and why is it originating. Don't fight it without understanding it.
Choiceless Awareness
There is no greater driving force than the words that awaken. A book of advisable reading: "the threshold of the insurmountable"
One of the best talks and a reply of K to most pertinent question about Life. ❤
With every query, the solution never changes: look within in silence.
divine soul...thank you so much🙏🙏🙏🙏
..........................'my' heart-HEART- felt profound gratitude.........YES..the.............
.........- ABSOLUTE Fire=WisdOM never burns itSELF only what it is not - ...........
Wow, I don't know how many times I had to rewind this video... And now I finally managed to watch it... and I think I need to watch it again....
Verena Hilpert 🤣🤣
It helped me to read the transcript
Discontentment is a good sign!
Discontentment from the material world makes us seek Higher Truth!
Mind gets discontented when the newness of a person, thing or situation is gone. It is it’s nature (rajasic nature). It wants more & more… it is not satisfied by millions or trillions of dollars. It is never satisfied by worldly “stuff”.
Only Spirituality can satisfy the mind & feel content. Divine is new everyday; this newness satisfies the seeking mind ultimately.
listening to him is such a privilege .. such a privilege..
Thankyou very much for the questioner for bringing about the great expectations. So beautiful ❤️🙏🙏🙏
There’s only two ways to be disconnected, either your desires are not met or they are.
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Great teacher, he changed my life 🙏🙏🙏❤
This man is a genius
Welcome to the new world
I am discontented with everything. - Good.
What's wrong with me?
- Nothing & everything.
-Everything, when you're not aware of the thought that you should NOT be discontent as your perception of the world grows clearer.
Nothing, when you return to your awareness.
The difference?
- Both are discontent. One as a whole individual, and therefore compassionate in his approach. The other as a divided person, and therefore antagonistic in his approach.
The fragment inevitably moves to meet with the compassionate whole, of which it is inherently a part of.
@@Navenanthen just do crap and stop thinking about it so much. Problem solved.
@@dbay9408 Thanks for the advice about thinking too much. Ironically, it seems that you, on the other hand, have not given your reply enough conscious thought: By labeling something as "crap", you're inadvertently creating a problem, and perpetuating more thinking.
"They say that the earth will be almost inhabitable in 50 years". This was in 1980. And the words turning almost precise for 2030!
This talk is the most touching
Yes sir, I am following .. I have started to follow.
Even if you don't believe what he's implying, he is an amazing teacher in the truest sense of the word. He is literally teaching you how to have original thought. We bandy about words like love, fear etc, but until we've investigated without the word, we don't really know what those things mean. I think you can take any of these emotions like love or fear, and if you go to the very end of it, you're free; but almost no one ever does. We're all copycats and unoriginal thinkers repeating what we've been taught or conditioned to believe.
He talked about 2 type of people.
1st one who has find the ways of his dissatisfaction, by satisfying him with mere distraction like entertainment so he has just wasted immense possibility of human mind
2nd one is still dissatisfied and he is burning in the fire of dissatisfaction, somehow he is becoming antagonistic towards speaker or many be many other people around him. By becoming antagonistic he has somehow moved from becoming dis-satisfied, but still is in aflame and he has just moved from one type of fire to another fire .
If the discontent developes antagonism, a person has moved from what is burning. If a person remains discontent without developing antagonism, he is on fire, he is one with what is burning with no intention of leaving.
Discontent comes from us being programmed with the solutions we've been sold. Thinking that one should be inwardly at peace is one source of discontent.
By merely speaking, thinking and writing about it. We are being something that isn't 'it' .
And yet expression is the beauty of life
24 Min's in. The world will be all most totally uninhabitable in 50 years. That was almost 30 years ago. Climate emergency we have about 20 years left. He was right about a lot!
40 years ago ! 10 left.
Do you think he's talking about the Meadows study or what ?
I think it's rubbish personally, the planet and cosmos has a greater effect on itself than humans ever will and studies show that most of the c02 in the atmosphere is caused by.......dun dun dun water vapour. Carbon is very necessary for life just like oxygen. We will still be here in 10 years. The world isn't as messed up as they want you to believe. Further more it's not us humans doing most of the damage but massive corporations. The sun and cosmos, Who now want to make money off of free energy. Problem is to have a revolution takes alot of money money money and they don't want to spend it. So they are getting us to spend our money to set up new industries for them so they don't lose money in the change over.
And most of that change is rubbish and a con. For example battery powered energy driven cars are just as damaging if not more so to the planet because of the chemicals and resources nessacery to build and power a battery. No one thinks about this those batteries and their cores are not indefinitely avalible they come from dun dun dun.....The earth. Same with your computers and phones ect ect. Their billion dollar industries that are conning you.
The fact most of us think the earth is that meek that we could destroy it. Is a frankly a bad joke. The earth will destroy us way before we end it and then go on living. AS LONG AS the solar system and sun are conducive and optimal for that to occur. Problem with us humans is we are so self obsessed and beleave ourselves so self important and powerful. Hence creating problems in our heads that don't exist. This makes us easy to manipulate by others who understand this and use it against us. Problem (real or fake) Reaction Solution. 101 and been used for thousands of years to manipulate us. If everyone just shut up for 5 mins and enjoyed the ride that is we would all be alot happier.
@@dbay9408 I've never heard someone say wrong things so arrogantly
I am so happy that I have not come here this morning looking for contentment . I came to confuse myself so I can learn .
That is a good question.
One is dissatisfied because one is seeking satisfaction in physical, material things or some beliefs. Then one gets bored, so it always end in dissatisfaction. Maybe awareness of the desire to be satisfied is the beginning in curing it.
We can't "cure" desire anymore than we can cure our need for oxygen
@@ThusIsBrad no. Are you sure? You're comparing biology to psychology dude?? Why??? Idk. But first understand what desire is!!
@@mikewright902 yeah it does depend on the object of desire
You can't cure desire because that's all you are will and desire. The reason your here desire, the reason you eat desire, love, breath. You live now because you desire to, if some took your live in their hands you would fight for it beg for it. Right now it's easy to say you don't desire but it's not a conscious thing, your body will fight to live even if you tell yourself and it not to (I don't want to). You desire sex or at least some form of connection or affection.
You cannot escape desire. Even saying I don't desire anything is a inversion of not getting what we want. Depression is desire without will or will without desire.
Any attempt to say I do not desire is an illusion of yourself and based in ego. To cease to desire one must cease to exist. Because saying I will train myself not to desire is mearly saying I desire not to desire. 😎👊
K sums up pretty well H. Marcuse's seminal work "Civilization and its Discontents".
Almost alarming, how much I just realized that I resonate with the initial question..
It is only rational that one should be discontent with a world that has lost it's mind.
🙏🙏🙏7.41 Where there is a CAUSE there is an END.⭐8.37 The moment there is a MEASURE there must be DISCONTENT.⭐18.32⭐
Discontent without a cause 🔥
He should have added to his question, "...and I'm pretty sure I'll be discontented with your answer."
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Beautiful video 🤩
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I find myself in this position...discontent with almost Everything in my life. Despite a lot of spiritual learning and insights.. Listening to this video made me somehow laugh..all the discontentment got somehow funny. I'm thinking....if one instead of beeing discontent just accept Everything as it/they/I is/am....not putting a value like good or bad....satisfied or discontent....only acceptence, like. It is what it is....maby it will help....
Be Choiceless aware of your discontent. Then it will wither away.
Today "I" met "K".
Grace!
Michael Rivadavia “I” met the “speaker”
(I'm no expert)
but one might say that K's '"solution"' could be complete observation (which is not apathy at all) which brings a transformation of consciousness and only then right action will come.
People who give solutions and ones looking to them for solutions are quite often only a curse
The don Or perhaps there is no right action, as all action terminates in entropy.
I agree u first he cleans our eyes and then let us do. Unlike getting someone else's specs.
We are high in mental intelligence and low in emotional and spiritual intelligence. We believing finding more information will lead us to the answer, which only grows our mental intelligence. Stop that and cultivate presence and awareness.
I just love him. Brilliant
You won’t get happiness and or answers to your questions by questioning more and sitting down, if you’re unhappy with someone or something then find your happiness, make your happiness wether it’s a job, a house , a person a thing. Make it happen, only you can make it end and only you can make it happen. Get up, dust yourself and keep going
And then you realize life is pointless, has no purpose and come right back where you started.
The question put and the response to it at the outset describe the branches of the tree called discontent. But, the awareness of the energy crisis (flame) existing in (a) the questioner who is discontented and (b) Krishnamurti who is stating ‘it is so’ meet at the point of immobility and don’t move away, then that’s the timeless state of suspension without a questioner or an answerer - dialogue completed.
It's this discontent somehow awareness of all the sorrow and the ilussion thought has created? And truth meets this discontent because it remains unmovable and does not longer seeks satisfaction in the same pattern?
Such a beautiful question ❤️
Wow!
such clarity
For most of us, job along with the position, status, esteem, prestige & money etc which comes along with a job is important but job function is unimportant. Jiddu has mentioned in several of his talk that he is just a mirror where human can exactly more or less see or be choicelessly aware of what each one of us are. The mirror is not important and one has to be light to himself.
It is clear.
"Fire is a Fire" - very profound statement
being discontented is a good thing
Discontent keeps you questioning what our minds, thought, politics, scientists, and leaders have put together
the moment there is measure there must be discontent
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K...❤ as always...
I am also discontented with everything. With the universe and with me, at the point of a depression.
Dihelson Mendonca you will be alright just dont let others take you for granted stick up
@@avinashlilmohan8102 Im depressed too and looks like it's never going to end. It's been a year
If one listen carefully to the answer given and can see the true beauty (not beauty in the pleaaure way) in the answer which in itself is not denying anything about the questioners feeling one cannot remain untouched even though one should be in this total state of discontent. And if his earlier lectures had stirred up antagony, then, as a logical conclusion must be that the state of total discontent isnt there, since we need some space for our feelings of frustration.
The 1st step (if I may suggest?) is to not resist your depression. Depression is a word. What makes you so sure that you're depressed? You are hypnotized by words and concepts If you had fallen overboard a ship and were drowning you would no longer be depressed. (This extreme example is just to make the point of how conditional your dilemma is.) So progress could begin by not labeling how you feel and instead accepting how you feel as something wonderful.
THANK YOU ❤️🙏🏿🌷
Thanks JK
Since I know & have a relationship with the Creator, I let Him worry about His creation, I just do my own things and journey on , this world like a school.
What an intresting way of looking at life. You believe you know and you believe there is a relationship and thing to know. Much of or troubles aren't in the things themselves but how we interpret them. Enjoy your journey.
All troubles trouble you when you don't believe in god, these are some pros of organized religions.
Any thinking person should be discontent with the 2019 reality.
Never fear, Donald Trump is here!
What would people of olden days without the technology or comfort we're so used to nowdays would say about this 2019 reality? all discontent is in the mind, and claiming such things about the objective state of "reality" is moving away from the flame that allows one to explore oneself, and the source of the discontentment.
Zhi Zhi true!
what about 2020
@@ones.and.zer0ess 2020 is crazy
Si una persona comun esta insatisfecha busca placer y confort pero una persona que lleva en si la llama de la insatisfaccion porque ve que la estructura que creo su mente solo le causa dolor sufrimiento y el placer es pasajero se vuelve mas sensible y busca en si mismo la causa del dolor agudiza su vision y descubre su propio funcionamiento mental que es lo que le causa ese sufrimiento ese dolor.
When discontent, cherish that state
I would enjoy reading the transcript to this, if it was available.
1st Question: I am dissatisfied with everything. I have read and thought a great deal but my discontent with the whole universe is still there. What you talk about makes me more discontented, more disturbed, more troubled. I now feel frustrated, antagonistic to you. What is wrong with what you are saying? Or is something wrong with me?
I think the more one observes the world, what is happening - over population, pollution, corruption, violence, and observing all that practically in every country in the world, one is trying to find an answer to all this. That’s one part of the question.
And the other is: the questioner says ‘I am discontented, not only with what you are saying but with everything around me: with my job, with my wife, with my husband, with my girlfriend and so on, so on, or boy, or whatever it is. I am discontented’. And that is the common lot for most of us. Either it becomes a consuming flame, or it is dampened down by seeking some kind of satisfaction in various activities of life. And discontent, instead of allowing it to become a consuming flame, most of us almost destroy it. We are so easily satisfied, we are so gullible, we are so ready to accept, and so gradually our discontent withers away and we become the normal, mediocre human beings without any vitality, without any energy, without any urge to do anything.
But the questioner says I have been through all that. I have read a great deal, I’ve thought about life a great deal, probably have been all over the world, and I have not found an answer to this discontent. And people who are thoughtful, aware what is happening around them and in themselves, aware that politics, science, religion has not answered any of our deep, human problems. They have technologically evolved, developed and so on, but inwardly I am discontent. And listening to you as the speaker, I am more disturbed, more discontented and antagonistic to what you are. What is wrong with you and what you are saying? Or, there is something wrong with me.
First of all let us be very clear that when there is discontent, is that discontent per se - you understand? - per se, in itself, or you are discontented with something? Vous avez compris? You understand? I may be discontented with the world, with the philosophies, with the various instructions of various religions. But that discontent is with something, towards something or in something. It is not the discontent which has no cause, and therefore can be ended. As we said the other day, where there is a cause there is an end. Has this discontent a cause, and therefore it can be resolved, ended? Or this discontent has no cause? Please go with the speaker, we are sharing this question together. As we said, one can be discontented with so many things, as human beings are, better house, better this and better that - you understand? The moment there is a measure there must be discontent. You have understood this? I wonder. I’ll go on, you’ll find...
I am glad you are antagonistic to what is being said. Instead of accepting and sitting quietly and saying, yes, but - I am antagonistic to you, I don’t accept! You are causing me much more disturbance, I feel frustrated, therefore I am urged towards this sense of antagonistic attitude. So we must be very clear whether this discontent has a cause and if it has a cause then that discontent is seeking contentment, satisfaction, gratification. So this discontent creates the opposite - to be contented, to be satisfied, to be completely bourgeois, like the Communists are. And if that is this search, desire, if that is what you want when you are deeply discontented - to find something with which you can be completely contented, never to be disturbed, then that discontent will find a way to gather satisfaction, and therefore that discontent is withered, gone.
Perhaps that is what most of us are doing. Probably all of you, if I may point out, you are discontented. You have been to this, to that, to that talk, to that person and so on, so on, and you perhaps come here wanting some kind of satisfaction, some kind of certainty, some kind of assurance, some gratifying truth. And if that is so then you will find satisfaction very easily, which most of us do - in the kitchen, in some aspect of religion, or enter politics - Left, Right, Centre or Extreme Left, Extreme Right - and carry on. This is what generally happens with all of us. And so you gradually, inevitably narrow down the mind, make the mind small. And the capacity of the brain is so immense, you have reduced it to mere satisfaction. Vous avez compris? You understand?
And if you are not satisfied with anything, if you are discontented with the whole universe, as the questioner puts, not be dissatisfied because you haven’t got a house, or you haven’t got money - you know, at that level. So this discontent, has it no cause and therefore it is a discontent in itself, not because of something? Is that clear? Am I making this - we are getting together, are we making this clear? That is, I am discontent, if I am seeking contentment, that is very simple and very easy. But if I am totally completely dissatisfied with everything: with the government, with the religion, with science, politics, everything. And such people are rare, such people have this flame of discontent. And perhaps such a person comes here, listens, reads, hears, and that discontent increases, it becomes all-consuming. So what shall we do? You understand the question clearly? What shall we do with a human being who is totally and completely dissatisfied with all the structure of thought?
As I said, such a person is a very rare human being. Such a person one can meet because he is - please listen carefully - he is in an immovable state - right? He is not seeking, he is not wanting, he is not pursuing something or other - he is aflame with this thing. And the speaker is also immovable - right? You understand what I am saying? What he says is so, not because he is dogmatic, superstitious, romantic, or self-assertive. He says that if you know, comprehend your consciousness with its content and the freeing of that consciousness from its content there is a totally different dimension. He has said this for sixty years, not because he has invented it, it is so. He has discussed with scientists, philosophers, great scholars and so on. And they have acknowledged, some of them, that it is so. Scientists seek that which is beyond, through matter. And the speaker says human beings with their brain and heart and mind are matter - process, and instead of looking at matter outside you, enquire into this matter who you are, and you can go much further, and more he has said - the ending of sorrow, the ending of fear and so on. And there are these two entities, one - are you following all this? - one completely discontented, nothing satisfies him, words, books, ideas, leaders, politics, scientists - nothing and so he is in a state of immobility. And the other is equally immovable, will not budge, will not yield. Are you following all this? What happens?
When two human beings, one completely from his depth of mind and heart, dissatisfied, and the other from the depth of his mind and the depth of his heart and so on says ‘It is so’. These two entities meet. You understand what I am saying? It is not romantic, it is not something invented, something out of imagination. This is so. One feels antagonistic to the other, which means he has already moved. I don’t know if you follow it. He has not remained completely dissatisfied. The moment he says, ‘I am antagonistic to you or your talk and all that’, he has moved away from what is burning. Therefore he has already softened. I wonder if you understand this. And the other has no antagonism. He says, ‘It is so’. When this person meets the other without antagonism, without wanting something from the speaker, then he is alike. Have you understood this? I wonder! No, I see you don’t understand this.
If this discontent develops antagonism, it is no longer discontent. Right? And so he is aflame with what he calls discontent. It’s a flame. And the other too is aflame. You understand? Then both are the same. Fire is a fire. It is not your fire, and my fire, it is fire. When the fire is dampened, then the two are different. Vous avez compris?
So if the speaker may ask: are you, as a human being, living in this terrible world, and if you have followed, they are saying within fifty years the earth will be almost uninhabitable, what is your condition of discontent? Is it merely puerile, childish, immature? Or if you are a human being totally aflame with discontent, never developing a reaction against that - being frustrated, being antagonistic, but let that flame be alive, then both are the same.
jeannedeaux There are lots of books on his thoughts that I come upon at the library.
J. Krishnamurti - Official Channel all his talks are great but this is brilliant! If anyone could explain the last para to me? Are we saying keep the flame alive but don’t become antagonist because it is what it is or does he mean both acceptance and antagonist is the same?
@@Emtaybey Exactly I understood everything except the last para and I have the same question as you. Please let me know if u got it.
@@ashwinidombale7158 I think he is saying in last para to stay with the reality of discontentment and not develop reaction( By creating an opposte idea) which creates conflict and division. Staying with the reality discontentment and observing it will lead to clarity.
Not only with life and the whole universe, but I feel completely discontedted with the so called "myself". Les's see if that does the trick (in the long run)...
Accept the frustration. Don't try to water it down.
If the world, people, happenings be considered as a dream or maya, the frustration can be overcome.
One should not consider oneself as a limited body-mind complex but as an unlimited, deathless, pure soul.
One should remain a mere witness of the happenings without getting too much involved.
"...[people who are] discontented with religion, politics, science, everything- and such people are rare..." Not these days they aren't, and perhaps rightfully so. Things have certainly been more grim in the past, though never have we been so close to the precipice of our own extinction whilst charging with such mindless confidence toward it. Furthermore I'd also argue people have never been quite so alienated from each other, particularly in the West.
I am hoping for extinction of humanity for all my life. That would be the best thing that can happen to us. We are insane, unhappy and unloving
my wife of 48 years is discontent - exactly as described - me ? I am happy
it is never easy but we love it each other - not our choice
I am totally discontent in everything merely because I can sense that I am not content in my 58 years of living. My discontentment was the flame for my survival and for as long as I have that flame I will live until the flame dies.
Deep analytical Philosophy. Brilliant.
'i am' this 'IS' important listening...
Being discontented has to do with control so I believe and passed conditioning.
My thought I don't expect anything from anyone. Just let what will happen will happen if you go in expecting something to happen their is a big chance it won't besides if one expects something to happen a certain way you're missing out on what could have happened.
Not sure if these kind of people are rare they just come in different degrees of discontent.
As far as what is going on in the world we can change this by being aware of ourself.
I prefer to just drop the word discontent. We are here to learn from each other but every encounter may not resonate and that is perfectly OK.
Sooo good!!
I just feel bored of all the spiritual teachings I've come across since starting my journey when I was 13, I'm 38 now and don't want to give up on spirituality or mindfulness, but sometimes I feel like I need to do something other than thinking of or practicing these ideas. A combination of rational, critical, and logical thinking leads to believe quite strongly that we made these ideas up, just like how we made up language ethics and morality. I agree that taking breaks from it all helps or having other hobbies are a more balanced lifestyle. way to many teachings and philosophies that contradict and some that are too condescending for my liking. I have way to many questions to pose for the the ideas of being the chosen one, chakras, past lives, astrology, eleven eleven, backwards law, law of attraction, (which is a bullshit and dangerous or magical thinking which isn't practical) and so many others. meaning value reason or purpose of or for anything imaginable can and does lead some of us to obsession and lets just face it that's not healthy. remember its ok to think for yourself.
I am 22 and can feel this already. Everything in the world ( inside and outside ) makes me very frustrated. Sometimes i feel like unaliving myself
🥹🥹🙏Flame meets Flame 🔥
even without watching this will know that K will make it much more complicated than it need be.
meditate..go within and rest in your Self once or twice a day and you won't be discontented anymore. the solution is never "out there", ie all the objects and events of the world, but only deep within.
Total dissatisfaction equals total non-conformity. That is, to the encompassing or non-dual gaze (perception), which never settles, never stops at a goal (or duality). It is then that duality and non-duality come into equilibrium: if there is seeking, movement in time, the equilibrium is broken, the duality governs, not being perceived. Non-duality and duality (see D. Bohm's Holokinesis) perform an intrinsically expansive, dynamic dance: cosmic Mind is movement, holomovement or holokinesis, in itself, but outside of time (or including within itself time, rather). Thought or duality is in pursuit of something, and for that reason it moves: it is a conditioned, circumstantial movement, it believes that it will ever stop at that which it seeks.
L'éternel opposition entre l'espoir et le désespoir, entre " a quoi bon?" Et "fais le quand même"...
Aujourd'hui nous savons que cela peut simplement venir d'un dysfonctionnement chimique dans la cerveau, un manque de sérotonine qui peuvent nous rendre incapable d'apprécier quoi que se soit, et au même temps c'est aussi ce manque de sérotonine qui met le cerveau dans cette quête éternelle de trouver des réponses et cogiter sur tout.
Thanks for sharing this video.
This is how Eckhart Tolle discovered his path. He asked "Who or What is discontented?" and then he just stayed with it and he realized himself.
This was good ❤️
Reiterating the question a million times, let's get to the solution!
Incognito12000 there is no center & there is no solution thru words only thru observation. It takes a while but keep listening
Incognito12000 He keeps on repeating because no one can taste what he's saying.
Your statement here shows that you didn't understand anything that he said. The solution is the immovable question.
Here is the solution, end it. Because until then, you are you. Hay who knows maybe your you after this experience as well.
The alternative is simple as well. Act. In action you do not think. And thought is the discountentment. So when you are unhappy. Go and do something and stop thinking about crap.
Expectations. Is The word that is missing here, in the comparison of the two. Of this wonderful example. One says it is so. This is the world. The other expects it to match to his will. And in that sense he is contradicting himself by that expectation.
😁😁😁👏👏👏 it is so 🔥🔥🔥❤❤❤
Incredible
It relates me to the Jung Archetypal reaction