He is ill. Thank you; I understand. I just asked that question in another video , then this 1 popped up and I read yours is the second comment Thank you 😊. Stay Golden 🌟
@@pramodkannada3402 dont resist your anxiety. have zero resistance to your anxiety or pain. i also going through very painful illness. but i have no any resistance to the pain. therefore there is no suffering. as the buddha said, man is hit by two arrows. first one is the pain, illness, ect. and the second arrow is the suffering of that illness or pain. you cant avoid the pain. but you can shoose not to suffer from it.
Krsnamurti is answering the question of someone who has cancer: I am not sure he suffered from cancer himself and by what he says here of hearing that cancer is very painful, suggests he did not!
Don't wish he should be with us. Once he asked one questioner. Do you wish to continue this human sufferings. When you understand death you learn to live with death. So psychologically death is more comfortable than living which is full of miseries.
I love that he says we still carry death around as a primal experience, like our ancestors should deal with it, as being some sort of punishment, fear from absurdities of hell and such - in my words. He says "we turned death into something terrible,". Love K
Maybe the best I’ve heard at talking for some time without answering the question. Never be afraid of ridicule or unconscious babble to question someone. I personally like JK but his humanness was his best quality
So many varied experiences and choices. This man had great wisdom concerning this very subject. He actually died with pancreatic cancer sometime after his talk here. You see his decision was to move away completely. Back then internet wasn't going like it is today. Today we can google the problem for solutions and answered questions. Also, concepts like, 'what is the association with the disharmony of an organ with mental or spiritual disharmony' wasn't considered so much then and can be addressed more readily now and answered. I really liked the fact that he asked why should I make your decision (when that is the decision of the individual).
JK was in harmony with himself and the cosmos, yet he had cancer. Disharmony with mental, emotional and spiritual self, can be the cause of cancer, but not always.
The brain is where pain is felt. We can only accept so much pain, and then the body releases its own painkiller. However, not everyone can or indeed should explore this avenue unless you can cope. Better to take pain relief medication. But, if you are trapped in a situation where you don’t have any meds, then take heart and grit your teeth as it does eventually subside and a strange peace envelopes you. I know, I’ve tried it ! You need to be very very strong though.
I had this cancer and should have died at age 42. I had two young children. I did all I could, surgeries, radiation, anything, to live for my children. Now the children are grown. I got my wish. Fifteen per cent of all cancer patients rejoice in their coming death and want to die. Cancer at age 20, 40, 60, 80, are different. Personal choice, what to do. My friend chose to die instead and rejected treatments. He's dead. I lived. It's a personal choice, to live or die.
my cousin and other friend obeyed their doctors did whatever they say , my cousin died after 2 years , friends died after a year , people says if both didnt have chemo and surgery they would have lived longer with cancer
The way to treat and/or prevent cancer is to eat organic, non-hybrid fruit and drink distilled water. Chemotherapy destroys the body, vastly hindering it's healing capability. Conventional treatments keep the health industry rich and it's victums sick. We have been told lies for over a century about cancer and for a lot longer about the history and nature of everything in this world.
Healing by touching I know that's truth. People who heal by touching have to take victim's pain on themselves. In life no one is spared for any karma. Such selfless people who have healing capacity never advertise themselves . And they heal only those who have tendency to become selfless like them.
@@Ekzit21 We are all authorities on being us, aren´t we? Which is basically the same, because if everybody is an authority, nobody is. But we are not left without authority. Which to me feels slightly different.
Making Games If you take K passionately seriously , he will either make you have a small awakening , or he will turn you crazy. He is radical, drastic, and urgent
It's simple. K says that the patient himself/herself has to decide whether to get treatment/surgery/medicines for his cancer or to just bear with the pain and await the consequences. And the patient has to do this based on how much pain he can bear and all.
So what else do you have to give it more importance other than yourself ? If you do not give yourself the most importance that you have, how then could you give another thing or person more importance ? Giving the power of something else comes from being aware of one's own feelings. If you do not feel important, you are unimportant. But who wants to love someone who feels unimportant? You say "our life", but who is "our"? Are you "our"? No, you are not "our" you are you and you should not think that you can speak for others, to suggest that they are unimportant.
A little late... But i think that it's not that we give life too much importance rather it is that we give ourselves ( the self) too much importance and ignore life as a whole.
We do not control the body only opinions and attitude about the body. Resist nothing go with the flow of life and always be happy now because your conscious of yourself aware not thinking.
He said finally "the speaker also has done some of it(healing). But to have such healing capacity really,, deeply there must be no shadow of Selfishness. " 🙏🙏❤🥺. We really need him in such an era.
He is right. Now they use magic mushrooms for terminal patients. Enough MM will give you ego death, and make you feel connected to everything, you are everything.. Ego loss is the same as the first stages of dying, so terminal people are more prepared, and less anxious. John Hopkins institute is doing this. Google it.
@@Iredidv If I were a terminal patient and had no time left, I might try mushrooms, nothing left to lose and I am admittedly curious. It seems a rather frivolous way to treat a delicate piece of machinery like the mind otherwise. Also I would question any insights I got, if they were created by mind altering drugs. Why do that if you can think yourself there trought self-enquiry? No mushrooms needed to gain insights is my experience up to now.
Ur wrong. Pain can be not felt by brain blockage it all depends how strong in methods u learn and practice. In JEWISH MEDITATION OR MYSTICISM THERE WAS A RABBI THATS WENT THROUGH OPEN HEART SURGERY AND AT THAT TIME THERE WAS NO STRATEGIES HE WAS SINGING SOME MYSTICAL JEWISH SONGS AND DIDN'T FEEL ANY PAIN. SO ITS QUESTION FIRST OF BELEIVE IN GOD AND HIGHER SELF AND PRACTINCING. IF U ASJ ME CAN ANYONE DO SAME THING YES AND NO. YES IF UR STUDING THORAH AND PRACTICE IT WITH A FULL HEART. AND NO IF UR TO LAZY AND NIT A BELEIVER. ITS UR CHOICE
@@dariusus9870 Exacty. This kind of medieval thinking is unfortunately plaguing the world today when we know more about the world than ever. It seems the more we advance, the farther backward we go
When Advaita Vedanta has denied the existence of self ? I wonder. And Who looks for pain by breaking one's body to atoms ? And if there is no pain, then there is no "violence" also. And by the way, Advaita believes in the one true eternal atman. And according to it, you cannot kill anyone and no one can kill you. And if that's true then we should release all those devils out of the prison. Our judiciary system should not exist.
If I understand it correctly: he asks 'can you separate yourself from the pain?' 'do you observe the pain and thus dissociate yourself from the pain?' 'the brain can use chemical reactions to control the pain upto a certain low level' 'a lot of pain cannot be masked by brain's chemistry' 'people can heal if they are totally unselfish'
Sorry for a very late reply. Somehow missed reading your comment. When I was 22, I had a severe, unknown swelling in my leg which did not subside. It was painful and I tried all alternative treatments. In the process, I realized that pain was not that bad at all. I started feeling 'hey, if I get cured, then I cannot experience the pain; so, let me enjoy it when the leg is swollen/hurting like this.' call me crazy. that is exactly what I thought... well - thought is dead for JK anyways!
The remedy for unbearable pain is with no one. One has to accept it Friends and relatives can shower love and care, but they can't reduce the pain. At that level, all discussions seem useless. One has to resign to the will of the Divine which is not man made
If you don´t view yourself as seperate, but one, then healing the other is the same as healing the self. This is how I healed a broken vase, instead of glueing it together. The only downside is: I now have flowers poking out of my ears. It becomes folly if you do not identify as life itself.
I understood it differently. He didn't give any answer. He looked at the issue from different angles and then allowed the person asking the full freedom to look steeply into himself and find his own decision
Pain seems to me is a signal from the part of the body that is damaged to the brain saying there is dangerous to survival something needs to be done to repair. If the pain persist eventually no repair then leads to the death of the body. In other words without pain living creatures will not last to long anyway.
Please open your eyes,ears, mind, and spirit, after the answer, the speaker who ask the question got in deeper dilemma than before. To a difficult question he gave a shallow answer that seems complex and deep. Oh my god
He told that the brain can't protect himself from tremendous pain. So, does it mean that it is impossible to observe the tremendous pain without identifying yourself with it?
Doesn't observing pain and dissociating from it require focus? Doing it while sitting in a dentist chair is easy because all you have to do at that time is sit. What about if you have an illness that makes you feel pain while doing another task which, itself, requires focus? Your pain won't stop you but it will take up at least some of your mental capacity even if it doesn't make your brain go into shock.
"If" the messiah let's say Yeshua Ben-Josef also know as Jesus really lived and he was really tortured and nailed to the cross only disassociation from the pain would have been a possibility. Which would mean he attained a very high level of meditation and mental stamina.
Or it could mean that 200 years after his death people thought it would make a better story, when they started writing things down. Or like all myths attributed to King Arthur or Robin Hood, which can be traced back to different persons, this might lead to "one person" having lead a seemingly messiah-like life.. It is kind of a big "if" after 2000 years and a lot of politics. For this reason I like more recent a personal examples, prefereably some first hand experience to guide my thinking.. If that is not at hand, repeateable experiments might be a good place to start. If you let myth guide your imagination, you might end up anywhere.
I wonder why he says if the pain is so great it’s impossible to bear! It’s not true that our real self is not the body? Why someone who is awakened still need to go through pain just like and ordinary person?
"gente puede curar personas pero es necesario no ser egoísta. Yo puedo curar gente pero no me busquen busquen a otro." jajajaja un maestro en el cinismo
yes i was thinking the same thing while watching .... the first time he reads it very casually .. .the second time he reads it after a pause ... and thinks about the question when he reads it again ...
His approach is to stimulate a distinction between physical manifestation and spiritual observation, detachment, through which the body and the brain can provide their own solutions, including shutting down of their own accord, if necessary. His message is however unclear, because he contradicts himself somewhat. The bottom line is that only the person involved can make the decision.
at around 13.40 min he says "There are people who heal by putting their hands on somebody.", And there on, he had done it etc. and no one should come to him for healing that he had done in the past- what should one understand from this?
World has not changed a bit apart from technology advancements thers nothing changed dramatically pertaining to human emotions....you still see people ask and suffer same issues and agony..Many philosopers or gurus have left their profound teaching however people use them as a gas pill to temporarily relieve their mindset or gets obsessed with that person and make him God. The real teaching of self awareness is skipped by many and they still continue to suffer the conflict of mind.
JK's walk of life was a very painful one. Lost his mother when he was young, had to force himself learning all possible books with others intentions is Messiah, declining that he is not as they have described, being the very essence of truth and humble, list his brother his only refuge. Which is why all discussions associated with him has one thing in common and that's conditioning and being conditioned and seeking a way to come out of it. Thought his persuit for liberation of mindset was at large his conclusion was that there is nothing in a being with a stand alone though. All thoughts are inherited and hence our behaviours and actions seems programmed which is natural. He is fond of two things one being love and the other flower, which he lacked due to the then circumstances.
Chiropractors heal by touching bodies. Surgeons do. Masseuses relieve stress by touch. Stress can cause a lot of damage. Most doctors will at some point touch their patients. Radiologists even do it without touching a patient. A better question is: any double blind case studies that yielded results beyond the placebo effect of people healing by putting their hands on sick bodyparts? And how were these studies peer reviewed?
He´d probably ask: is it possible to help someone? What do we mean by helping? Am I motivated in some way by selfish reasons when I help someone? Why this urge to help?
In one of his videos he said there is no God.. God is created by thought. But in this video at 4:22 he says " I am not your guru, not your authority, THANK GOD ". Whom is thanking if there is no God??
He said we invented the word and a definition, but the word is not that immeasurable force. Just because we say something is yellow doesnt mean it really is and If you see how different beings see the world than yellow really is just a word. We needed words at some point because of the great diversity. Its hard to comprehend what that immeasurable force which so many of us call God really is. Thats why he said God is just a word and we invented God. That force doesnt need a name. Anywho, I hope I made some sense, at least thats what I got from that speech.
He said that there were people in India and England, not including himself, who were able to heal other people by using their hands. Does anyone know who he was referring to?
Paul Downes Thank you for the information. I know that Jiddu Krishnamurti believed there were metaphysical aspects to reality like healing with hands, and I think he also believed that even levitation was possible according to things I have heard him say. I read a book written by his personal chef, and he wrote that Krishnamurti told a story of seeing a Yogi in India make a newspaper shrink until it actually disappeared. So, he definitely believed in metaphysical realities. I have heard the name Reiki before but I have never researched it. I will look into it now that you mentioned it. Thanks.
Krishnaji had mentioned in at least two of his talks that he himself could heal people with his hands. One of these talks was his last one with Dr. Anderson. Also, in his biography, Pupul Jayakar mentions that he cured a woman's deafness, too. The same book also mentions his surprise when a sanyasi who'd come to visit him made some water taste of rose petals. So yes, he did believe in metaphysical aspects. I do not know which healers he's referred to in other talks, but after listening to stories of yogis and aghoris bringing back dead people to life, healing with bare hands sounds very much believable.
You're welcome. It is also interesting to note that Krishnaji remarked that matter is nothing but patterned energy. If we begin to see everything as either an accumulation or a flow of energy, physical healing (or even breathing life into a dead body) doesn't seem impossible.
JimiKiJai Yes, that's definitely interesting to keep in mind. Another topic that is interesting is quantum mechanics, and what it has to say about the nature of reality. I have found it to be an extremely interesting topic, because I think it is related to the whole puzzle of existence and to the whole possibility of metaphysical realities. I don't know if you already are familiar with the subject, but you might find it interesting. Just thought I would mention it.
I apreciate J Krishnamurti very much. but, about the pain. i describe it in a way that sounds opposite to what he is saying.; If i Associate with the pain, than i find that it is bar able because i find that i am even with the 'thing' that is happening to me namely the 'pain'. since it is me and not really an object than i have been associated. If i disassociate and objectify than the i becomes a victim of pain. but that is not ideal for me.
+Densilification Thinking that u r victim, is also a form of association. He is suggesting to observe pain without association, i.e. without thinking about the thinker, i.e. without the idea of victim.
+Srikanth V My practice,,, I feel is simple for me,,, I NOTICE it and question it as it is true and physical ,,, as if it is an actually visitor to my overall Aura,,, then I basically,,,thank it and show appreciation,,,then let it know that it is no longer welcome...
Jiddu doesnt answer the question that was asked. Should i let medicine save me or reject it a suffer the consequences.I think this is the first time I find his answer troubling. He really said not a word on the question asked.His responses about running to medicine dont equate to cancer treatment.I would have thought that without telling the questioner exactly what to do he could have mentioned the importanct of modern medicine.in treating illness. Being totally unselfish although fine is not medical treatment for cancer
steve i2000 he didn't advice because it is not his job to advice people about everything or point out the benefits of modern medication. People used to come to him with all sorts of problem, he had essentially one message he tried to say throughout his life , that is to try and observe oneself. As he says he is not a guru, to take you to the light or make your decisions for you, he only wants people to observe themselves and learn from that.
+steve i2000 Krishnamurti himself had prostate cancer....It ultimately killed him. He did go through chemotherapy actually. It's in a biographical work about Krishnamurti by Pupul Jayakar man. This guy wasn't an idiot.
And he was speaking it perfectly. I have seen a whole interview with him in French, he was really flawless. Here it is, by the way : th-cam.com/video/sT4CzSoqbG4/w-d-xo.html&t=
8:40 train passes, he moves his head to the other side. He rejected the pain. It was a good answer but the overall was weak. The question is what caused the cancer? What cuases such a level of disharmony? I would like him debate that issue.
What disharmony? It is harmonious to die, disharmonious to live for too long. If the sufferer is 10 years old then maybe, just maybe there is a personal disharmony but the forces that make childhood leukemia so lethal are the exact same forces that help all other children and animals grow, and the price to pay is tiny. If you would turn the world upside down to heal your child from leukemia, the disharmony would be all yours.
Even j Krishnamurti had cancer but he still worked to deliver speeches till the end!! Respect!!
He is ill. Thank you; I understand. I just asked that question in another video , then this 1 popped up and I read yours is the second comment Thank you 😊. Stay Golden 🌟
He lived with cancer. Un effected by that disease. Then what about us. Are we living with daily routine, un effected by inner psychological problems.
@@thattaikrishnan5523 how can I live with my anxiety? JK is on the top of the hill.
@@pramodkannada3402 dont resist your anxiety. have zero resistance to your anxiety or pain. i also going through very painful illness. but i have no any resistance to the pain. therefore there is no suffering. as the buddha said, man is hit by two arrows. first one is the pain, illness, ect. and the second arrow is the suffering of that illness or pain. you cant avoid the pain. but you can shoose not to suffer from it.
Krsnamurti is answering the question of someone who has cancer: I am not sure he suffered from cancer himself and by what he says here of hearing that cancer is very painful, suggests he did not!
The sound of opening the letter is already spiritual and satisfying
Yeahh.. lol
At that moment you were free..
what letter?
Si è vero ho provato la stessa sensazione anche io. Di consolazione!
Oh
I wish K would still be here to give his message to the world. it is needed more and more - day by day. Pure wisdom.
You don't understood him if you think that manner
I agree but in a way thanks to internet n so many TH-cam videos, he IS here in a way, isn't it?😇 Maybe just that all don't find him... u r blessed 🙏💚
What do you think these recordings are?
Don't wish he should be with us. Once he asked one questioner. Do you wish to continue this human sufferings. When you understand death you learn to live with death. So psychologically death is more comfortable than living which is full of miseries.
Wisdom? Facts...
I love him. He always goes to the basics, which is "make no assumptions"
The intention to use the very least possible assumptions*
After watching this video, it blew my mind when I learned that he died from cancer.
I love that he says we still carry death around as a primal experience, like our ancestors should deal with it, as being some sort of punishment, fear from absurdities of hell and such - in my words. He says "we turned death into something terrible,". Love K
Can we experience death when we are living. Is it possible. Then do it. Otherwise you will never know what is death.
You cope peacefully - because your spiritual level rises above the physical level -you become
the observer (regarding phyical pain)
Don't personalize pain! Separate yourself from pain! Great idea! But it depends how much is the intensity.
Can you explain it in depth?
Maybe the best I’ve heard at talking for some time without answering the question. Never be afraid of ridicule or unconscious babble to question someone. I personally like JK but his humanness was his best quality
So many varied experiences and choices. This man had great wisdom concerning this very subject. He actually died with pancreatic cancer sometime after his talk here. You see his decision was to move away completely. Back then internet wasn't going like it is today. Today we can google the problem for solutions and answered questions. Also, concepts like, 'what is the association with the disharmony of an organ with mental or spiritual disharmony' wasn't considered so much then and can be addressed more readily now and answered. I really liked the fact that he asked why should I make your decision (when that is the decision of the individual).
Inter... what?
JK was in harmony with himself and the cosmos, yet he had cancer. Disharmony with mental, emotional and spiritual self, can be the cause of cancer, but not always.
No quiver of selfishness. My beloved teacher.
+Alexandra Trifler lol.. curious that you use the label of "teacher"
he shouldn't be your teacher - or mine. that was his whole point
He is not your teacher. He explicitly implied that already in the video.
@@kedarkunwar4700 If he is not a teacher, who is he to instruct anyone he is not?
@@KitCalder I can always instruct people that I am not a god. And I am not.
The brain is where pain is felt. We can only accept so much pain, and then the body releases its own painkiller. However, not everyone can or indeed should explore this avenue unless you can cope. Better to take pain relief medication. But, if you are trapped in a situation where you don’t have any meds, then take heart and grit your teeth as it does eventually subside and a strange peace envelopes you. I know, I’ve tried it ! You need to be very very strong though.
I had this cancer and should have died at age 42. I had two young children. I did all I could, surgeries, radiation, anything, to live for my children. Now the children are grown. I got my wish. Fifteen per cent of all cancer patients rejoice in their coming death and want to die. Cancer at age 20, 40, 60, 80, are different. Personal choice, what to do. My friend chose to die instead and rejected treatments. He's dead. I lived. It's a personal choice, to live or die.
The not to or to treat is not what killed your friend
my cousin and other friend obeyed their doctors did whatever they say , my cousin died after 2 years , friends died after a year , people says if both didnt have chemo and surgery they would have lived longer with cancer
The way to treat and/or prevent cancer is to eat organic, non-hybrid fruit and drink distilled water.
Chemotherapy destroys the body, vastly hindering it's healing capability.
Conventional treatments keep the health industry rich and it's victums sick.
We have been told lies for over a century about cancer and for a lot longer about the history and nature of everything in this world.
Healing by touching I know that's truth. People who heal by touching have to take victim's pain on themselves. In life no one is spared for any karma. Such selfless people who have healing capacity never advertise themselves . And they heal only those who have tendency to become selfless like them.
Snow depends on what kind of cancer it is malignant and how old you are!!
Love how he and 'the speaker' are two distinct beings. Would love to hear an hour's discourse on that. Gem, this man.
The speaker is the ego i guess
That is Mr. Krishnamurti . That subtleness is him.
It's his way of saying. 'You aren't what you think you are'
Tremendous conviction whatever the truth. How desperate, he is, to not become an authority. Great!!
Dhruv Chāran Not even regular people value becoming an authority
Gil Monteverde
Jajahaha
Whatever man.
Gil Monteverde I deserve sarcasm , as you can see I acted like an authority in my first comment.
Jaja
This mind we have is very sneaky
@@Ekzit21 We are all authorities on being us, aren´t we? Which is basically the same, because if everybody is an authority, nobody is. But we are not left without authority. Which to me feels slightly different.
Making Games
If you take K passionately seriously , he will either make you have a small awakening , or he will turn you crazy.
He is radical, drastic, and urgent
This man is...something no one can provide a description for
As he said
Description is not the described
It's simple. K says that the patient himself/herself has to decide whether to get treatment/surgery/medicines for his cancer or to just bear with the pain and await the consequences. And the patient has to do this based on how much pain he can bear and all.
May be we give our life way too much importance .
So what else do you have to give it more importance other than yourself ? If you do not give yourself the most importance that you have, how then could you give another thing or person more importance ? Giving the power of something else comes from being aware of one's own feelings. If you do not feel important, you are unimportant. But who wants to love someone who feels unimportant?
You say "our life", but who is "our"? Are you "our"? No, you are not "our" you are you and you should not think that you can speak for others, to suggest that they are unimportant.
@Crossfire So, where is your argument ? It seems that religious people like you believe that an opinion is an argument. LoL
A little late...
But i think that it's not that we give life too much importance rather it is that we give ourselves ( the self) too much importance and ignore life as a whole.
What a personality !!how handsome,good looking, JK is!
We do not control the body only opinions and attitude about the body. Resist nothing go with the flow of life and always be happy now because your conscious of yourself aware not thinking.
He said finally "the speaker also has done some of it(healing). But to have such healing capacity really,, deeply there must be no shadow of Selfishness. " 🙏🙏❤🥺. We really need him in such an era.
He's right. Pain effects the brain. Thank You.
Even if healing will happen, You will not avoid death. Thats why its so good to die, before you die. Only then you are trully healed.
that's not right, yuo wrong,thinking hinking .
@@nohamgonzalez6189 maybe, show me whats wrong
Agree
He is right. Now they use magic mushrooms for terminal patients. Enough MM will give you ego death, and make you feel connected to everything, you are everything.. Ego loss is the same as the first stages of dying, so terminal people are more prepared, and less anxious. John Hopkins institute is doing this. Google it.
@@Iredidv If I were a terminal patient and had no time left, I might try mushrooms, nothing left to lose and I am admittedly curious. It seems a rather frivolous way to treat a delicate piece of machinery like the mind otherwise. Also I would question any insights I got, if they were created by mind altering drugs. Why do that if you can think yourself there trought self-enquiry?
No mushrooms needed to gain insights is my experience up to now.
I love him ♥️🙏🏻
The 15 dislikes are from people who have real cancer disease. No amount of concious words can relieve real pain.
Ur wrong. Pain can be not felt by brain blockage it all depends how strong in methods u learn and practice. In JEWISH MEDITATION OR MYSTICISM THERE WAS A RABBI THATS WENT THROUGH OPEN HEART SURGERY AND AT THAT TIME THERE WAS NO STRATEGIES HE WAS SINGING SOME MYSTICAL JEWISH SONGS AND DIDN'T FEEL ANY PAIN. SO ITS QUESTION FIRST OF BELEIVE IN GOD AND HIGHER SELF AND PRACTINCING. IF U ASJ ME CAN ANYONE DO SAME THING YES AND NO. YES IF UR STUDING THORAH AND PRACTICE IT WITH A FULL HEART. AND NO IF UR TO LAZY AND NIT A BELEIVER. ITS UR CHOICE
D Good one :)
@@mickaelcohen5581 Rubbish!
He had cancer.
K. had cancer.. Was he speaking for others without knowning the facts?
He gave people the answer indirectly in the end!!!
Healed?
Brake your body to atoms, go further and see that there is no pain, self or cancer. Also recommend Advaita Vedanta. Peace ✌️
@@dariusus9870 Exacty. This kind of medieval thinking is unfortunately plaguing the world today when we know more about the world than ever. It seems the more we advance, the farther backward we go
When Advaita Vedanta has denied the existence of self ? I wonder.
And Who looks for pain by breaking one's body to atoms ?
And if there is no pain, then there is no "violence" also.
And by the way, Advaita believes in the one true eternal atman. And according to it, you cannot kill anyone and no one can kill you.
And if that's true then we should release all those devils out of the prison. Our judiciary system should not exist.
@@dcqec111 medieval thinking? LOL Where are you coming from dude? A pharmacy, a doctor?
@@dariusus9870 I think you are on the wrong channel ...?
This comment is irresponsibly shallow. No intelligence, no honesty in it. Just a cheap performance
If I understand it correctly:
he asks 'can you separate yourself from the pain?'
'do you observe the pain and thus dissociate yourself from the pain?'
'the brain can use chemical reactions to control the pain upto a certain low level'
'a lot of pain cannot be masked by brain's chemistry'
'people can heal if they are totally unselfish'
+Subbu Kumarappan Do you feel you can or cannot separate yourself from PAIN, HURT, etc...? just curious not seeking any particular answers
actually I understood more you than him. thanks
That is the challenge. I try to rephrase it so that I can understand it myself!
Sorry for a very late reply. Somehow missed reading your comment.
When I was 22, I had a severe, unknown swelling in my leg which did not subside. It was painful and I tried all alternative treatments. In the process, I realized that pain was not that bad at all. I started feeling 'hey, if I get cured, then I cannot experience the pain; so, let me enjoy it when the leg is swollen/hurting like this.'
call me crazy. that is exactly what I thought... well - thought is dead for JK anyways!
True with one correction. He doesnt believe; He knows what he is capable of...
but chose never to use it for showoff
The remedy for unbearable pain is with no one. One has to accept it
Friends and relatives can shower love and care, but they can't reduce the pain. At that level, all discussions seem useless. One has to resign to the will of the Divine which is not man made
Another from India. 💖💞👍
Healing capacity with no selfishness... 💙
If you don´t view yourself as seperate, but one, then healing the other is the same as healing the self.
This is how I healed a broken vase, instead of glueing it together. The only downside is: I now have flowers poking out of my ears.
It becomes folly if you do not identify as life itself.
@@Ludifant i dont understand ?will you plz say in appropriate and in easy manner which can be understandable
@@Ludifant I would add that cancer itself, being part of nature as you are, heals you
« on pose une question « on ne demande pas une question Krishna ji 🙏
I think we need to find out a" solution" ( find out for ourselves ) .. to deal with the cancer . till that time pain will be there .
What I can hear I love but I miss some of it either because of sound quality or his accent. Am I the only one who needs subtitles?!🙄😄🕉️🙏🏽
Beautifully answered question. He is basically saying it depends on whether you identify with it.
SBha30 yes, totally agree, Advaita Vedanta for those who are really looking! 🙏❤️❤️❤️
I understood it differently. He didn't give any answer. He looked at the issue from different angles and then allowed the person asking the full freedom to look steeply into himself and find his own decision
That's a real hard question to answer. He did the best he could do.
Now he wants us to do our best😃 are we working together, he asked??
I’m my opinion It’s always better to fight and die with pride. Take a treatment and also follow other things. Do your karma.
Human version of master Yoda. Even the way he speaks remind me of Yoda.
Yoda is indeed (partly) based on Krishnamurti
@@Koekiemonstertje really?
Pain seems to me is a signal from the part of the body that is damaged to the brain saying there is dangerous to survival something needs to be done to repair. If the pain persist eventually no repair then leads to the death of the body. In other words without pain living creatures will not last to long anyway.
Just because your enlightened doesn’t mean you are competent to help anybody.
neurotraveller Just because you arent competent to help doesn't mean you shouldn't try. :)
Start to practice BELEIVE and love and u won't have the problem to accept that ITHER people can enlighten you
@@mickaelcohen5581 very well put /said!!!!!
Much harm is done by helping selfishly.
@@1996Pinocchio right!! But an enlightend person doesn't do that selfish thing!! Come on man , your not even trying$$$
who do you meet pain? I try to delay it not face it for as long as possible. I tolerate it
Laz C haven’t you ever encounter a pain you cannot delay and not face? That’s a very powerful moment for learning
shadow of selfeshness that word is really out of world.. i think 99% didn't got it.
Please open your eyes,ears, mind, and spirit, after the answer, the speaker who ask the question got in deeper dilemma than before. To a difficult question he gave a shallow answer that seems complex and deep. Oh my god
That's the problem with krishnamurthi
Maybe the answer isn't all that shallow, just the way you percieve it is not sophisticated enough.
A mirror that asks
He told that the brain can't protect himself from tremendous pain. So, does it mean that it is impossible to observe the tremendous pain without identifying yourself with it?
I was thinking the same thing
When there is tremendous pain, the brain becomes unconscious or goes in shock. But as long as we are conscious, we can observe pain.
Great Revelation 🙏🏻🙏🏻
That's a totally different matter...
Doesn't observing pain and dissociating from it require focus? Doing it while sitting in a dentist chair is easy because all you have to do at that time is sit. What about if you have an illness that makes you feel pain while doing another task which, itself, requires focus? Your pain won't stop you but it will take up at least some of your mental capacity even if it doesn't make your brain go into shock.
"If" the messiah let's say Yeshua Ben-Josef also know as Jesus really lived and he was really tortured and nailed to the cross only disassociation from the pain would have been a possibility. Which would mean he attained a very high level of meditation and mental stamina.
Or it could mean that 200 years after his death people thought it would make a better story, when they started writing things down. Or like all myths attributed to King Arthur or Robin Hood, which can be traced back to different persons, this might lead to "one person" having lead a seemingly messiah-like life.. It is kind of a big "if" after 2000 years and a lot of politics. For this reason I like more recent a personal examples, prefereably some first hand experience to guide my thinking.. If that is not at hand, repeateable experiments might be a good place to start.
If you let myth guide your imagination, you might end up anywhere.
Jesus was not crucified nor killed, but it was made to look as if he was!
@@sdsfgsty prove it
THE TRAIN GOES AT 8.49. WE PREPARE OUR MIND TO IGNORE THE SOUND OF THE TRAIN.
I wonder why he says if the pain is so great it’s impossible to bear! It’s not true that our real self is not the body? Why someone who is awakened still need to go through pain just like and ordinary person?
please give the link for the full video.
Great sir ❤
12:05 what language is it?
Its french
"gente puede curar personas pero es necesario no ser egoísta. Yo puedo curar gente pero no me busquen busquen a otro." jajajaja un maestro en el cinismo
jiddu spoke French too😊
He always reads the questions twice...
He usually have a large audience. And it's also very meditative repeating a question.
yes i was thinking the same thing while watching .... the first time he reads it very casually .. .the second time he reads it after a pause ... and thinks about the question when he reads it again ...
I do not get his message...
His approach is to stimulate a distinction between physical manifestation and spiritual observation, detachment, through which the body and the brain can provide their own solutions, including shutting down of their own accord, if necessary. His message is however unclear, because he contradicts himself somewhat. The bottom line is that only the person involved can make the decision.
at around 13.40 min he says "There are people who heal by putting their hands on somebody.", And there on, he had done it etc. and no one should come to him for healing that he had done in the past- what should one understand from this?
he had healing powers??
his answer is you should just be aware that it might injure your brain. and if you aware of it and don't identify with it, that's it
World has not changed a bit apart from technology advancements thers nothing changed dramatically pertaining to human emotions....you still see people ask and suffer same issues and agony..Many philosopers or gurus have left their profound teaching however people use them as a gas pill to temporarily relieve their mindset or gets obsessed with that person and make him God. The real teaching of self awareness is skipped by many and they still continue to suffer the conflict of mind.
L'art de ne jamais repondre directement !
❤❤ totaly different from sadh fake guru.
I do not identify myself with any pain 'cause I got access to brilliant opioids
JK's walk of life was a very painful one. Lost his mother when he was young, had to force himself learning all possible books with others intentions is Messiah, declining that he is not as they have described, being the very essence of truth and humble, list his brother his only refuge. Which is why all discussions associated with him has one thing in common and that's conditioning and being conditioned and seeking a way to come out of it. Thought his persuit for liberation of mindset was at large his conclusion was that there is nothing in a being with a stand alone though. All thoughts are inherited and hence our behaviours and actions seems programmed which is natural. He is fond of two things one being love and the other flower, which he lacked due to the then circumstances.
What😂🤣??
i laugghed so hard at your comment my side hurt @@mikewright902
Well nice knowing ya brah
Krishnamurti nao e pra todos.............
Healing by certain people touching somebody else's body? And he had done it too. I like to learn more about this.... Any references?
ReiKi
@@alexeu1474 kathryn kuhlman...... google her
Chiropractors heal by touching bodies. Surgeons do. Masseuses relieve stress by touch. Stress can cause a lot of damage. Most doctors will at some point touch their patients. Radiologists even do it without touching a patient.
A better question is: any double blind case studies that yielded results beyond the placebo effect of people healing by putting their hands on sick bodyparts? And how were these studies peer reviewed?
Study about Reiki. Most of the practitioners are fake though , as K said , you should be totally selfless to be able to heal someone.
if you have cancer go to the doctors and dont waste your time asking fool men what to do
Did he finally answer the question?
He never answers 🤣🤣🤣 he makes u to find ur answer for urself , by urself.
Checking in. Did you finally answer it?
14.38 he has answered
Sometimes I wonder whether people think J didn't want to help.
Yah because he wants to help them by themselves not by him
He´d probably ask: is it possible to help someone? What do we mean by helping? Am I motivated in some way by selfish reasons when I help someone? Why this urge to help?
In one of his videos he said there is no God.. God is created by thought. But in this video at 4:22 he says " I am not your guru, not your authority, THANK GOD ". Whom is thanking if there is no God??
Just a phrase
He doesn't mean it
Figure of speech with a twist of humour.
He said we invented the word and a definition, but the word is not that immeasurable force. Just because we say something is yellow doesnt mean it really is and If you see how different beings see the world than yellow really is just a word. We needed words at some point because of the great diversity. Its hard to comprehend what that immeasurable force which so many of us call God really is. Thats why he said God is just a word and we invented God. That force doesnt need a name. Anywho, I hope I made some sense, at least thats what I got from that speech.
Oh Lord man, think!!
It’s a matter of speaking like saying Jesus when expressing certain emotions. Jesus man!! Damn!!
Legend!
He said that there were people in India and England, not including himself, who were able to heal other people by using their hands. Does anyone know who he was referring to?
Paul Downes
Thank you for the information. I know that Jiddu Krishnamurti believed there were metaphysical aspects to reality like healing with hands, and I think he also believed that even levitation was possible according to things I have heard him say. I read a book written by his personal chef, and he wrote that Krishnamurti told a story of seeing a Yogi in India make a newspaper shrink until it actually disappeared. So, he definitely believed in metaphysical realities.
I have heard the name Reiki before but I have never researched it. I will look into it now that you mentioned it. Thanks.
Krishnaji had mentioned in at least two of his talks that he himself could heal people with his hands. One of these talks was his last one with Dr. Anderson. Also, in his biography, Pupul Jayakar mentions that he cured a woman's deafness, too. The same book also mentions his surprise when a sanyasi who'd come to visit him made some water taste of rose petals. So yes, he did believe in metaphysical aspects.
I do not know which healers he's referred to in other talks, but after listening to stories of yogis and aghoris bringing back dead people to life, healing with bare hands sounds very much believable.
JimiKiJai
Hello. Thanks for the input. Yes, it seems like Jiddu Krishnamurti definitely believed in metaphysical realities. It's very interesting.
You're welcome. It is also interesting to note that Krishnaji remarked that matter is nothing but patterned energy. If we begin to see everything as either an accumulation or a flow of energy, physical healing (or even breathing life into a dead body) doesn't seem impossible.
JimiKiJai
Yes, that's definitely interesting to keep in mind. Another topic that is interesting is quantum mechanics, and what it has to say about the nature of reality. I have found it to be an extremely interesting topic, because I think it is related to the whole puzzle of existence and to the whole possibility of metaphysical realities. I don't know if you already are familiar with the subject, but you might find it interesting. Just thought I would mention it.
I apreciate J Krishnamurti very much. but, about the pain. i describe it in a way that sounds opposite to what he is saying.; If i Associate with the pain, than i find that it is bar able because i find that i am even with the 'thing' that is happening to me namely the 'pain'. since it is me and not really an object than i have been associated. If i disassociate and objectify than the i becomes a victim of pain. but that is not ideal for me.
+Densilification Thinking that u r victim, is also a form of association. He is suggesting to observe pain without association, i.e. without thinking about the thinker, i.e. without the idea of victim.
+Srikanth V My practice,,, I feel is simple for me,,, I NOTICE it and question it as it is true and physical ,,, as if it is an actually visitor to my overall Aura,,, then I basically,,,thank it and show appreciation,,,then let it know that it is no longer welcome...
Jiddu doesnt answer the question that was asked. Should i let medicine save me or reject it a suffer the consequences.I think this is the first time I find his answer troubling. He really said not a word on the question asked.His responses about running to medicine dont equate to cancer treatment.I would have thought that without telling the questioner exactly what to do he could have mentioned the importanct of modern medicine.in treating illness. Being totally unselfish although fine is not medical treatment for cancer
steve i2000 neither is chemo.
steve i2000 He answered it in the first sentence of his answer.
steve i2000 he didn't advice because it is not his job to advice people about everything or point out the benefits of modern medication. People used to come to him with all sorts of problem, he had essentially one message he tried to say throughout his life , that is to try and observe oneself. As he says he is not a guru, to take you to the light or make your decisions for you, he only wants people to observe themselves and learn from that.
+steve i2000
Krishnamurti himself had prostate cancer....It ultimately killed him.
He did go through chemotherapy actually.
It's in a biographical work about Krishnamurti by Pupul Jayakar man.
This guy wasn't an idiot.
The importance of modern western medicine is treating symptoms.
This maan don't speak on coincidence
I don't know why i listened to this.
🙏
6.55 onwards 14.08
Agradecería la traducción al castellano.
Difficult question!
He didn’t believe in God but he used his name a lot.
catches himself speaking French lol
And he was speaking it perfectly. I have seen a whole interview with him in French, he was really flawless.
Here it is, by the way :
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@@Cyber_Kriss yes he's fluent in French
8:40 train passes, he moves his head to the other side. He rejected the pain.
It was a good answer but the overall was weak. The question is what caused the cancer?
What cuases such a level of disharmony? I would like him debate that issue.
no the person didn't ask that, they asked "I have cancer, what should I do? " so his answer was fine
He wouldn't debate - because he and so should you observe the facts of cancer and pain. And how do you judge the question as weak?
What disharmony? It is harmonious to die, disharmonious to live for too long. If the sufferer is 10 years old then maybe, just maybe there is a personal disharmony but the forces that make childhood leukemia so lethal are the exact same forces that help all other children and animals grow, and the price to pay is tiny. If you would turn the world upside down to heal your child from leukemia, the disharmony would be all yours.
He´s dead. So you´d probably win that argument. But somehow, I´m not sure.
He is cute he subtly got offended by the train.
Yeah - seemed really pissed off by it!
As all trains, it was late. He could have used it when he was talking about a great sound.
❤
Rip.
real guru
I meet my life in pain
❤️💐🙏🏻😇
Sounds like Vipassna meditation
Why does he ask for people not to come to him for healing?
Then people will start worshipping him which is wrong coz everyone has this capacity
Cause he’s trying to engage them in a discussion they aren’t aware of. Not to lie to them about healing and being worshipped..
Pain is when weakness leaves the body.
I have pain. What I do
He himself had cancer
Isn't pain produced by brain? So why should brain protect itself from pain?
For good sake man xD
わ、わからん…。
Kappalabhati
8:26